Match Reaction v Fulham

[Cripps_orig]

Welcome back Arsenal and Welcome back Sjfhskdjfhsny

Need a keeper in to put some pressure on the clown as he seems to think its too comfortable these days.

We were awful in the 2nd half. Game changed with Wengers suns as we lost all attacking intent with Theo and Gervinho off. With them on the pitch, Fulham had to keep men back but as soon as they went off, we did f all up front so they could risk it

[AKBapologist]

Squillachi assist for the winner in the 93rd minute.

Says it all really.

:coffee:

[Marc Overmars]

What a fuck up.

Fulham deserved it, we were anonymous in that 2nd half.

So basically we've gained nothing over this period, it's as you were in the race for 4th.

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://files.myopera.com/JanetB/albums/4447122/Suicide%20Booth.gif

[BOBN]

all went down the shitter when we took off the pacey widemen. lost all attacking momentum, outlet and threat, allowng fulham to pile forward.

thatll teach the clueless moaners for next time,

[selassie]

We got what we deserved, after a strong first half we fell apart 2nd half.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Tactical suicide.

[Joker]

Pathetic second half performance, and shows how weak our squad really is. And yet the Pro-Wenger brigade have been trying to convince anyone who'd listen that Arsene knows. Well, it's pretty clear that at the moment he knows sweet FA.

[Letters]

Got what we deserved. Awful 2nd half performance, we created nothing, didn't even keep possession and let them attack all half. We were hanging on and would have been lucky to win, a draw was probably about right and maybe a bit unlucky to lose but if you play like that then you deserve to lose.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Wolves at home.
Qpr at home.
Fulham away.

You expect 9 points.

We got 4.

Shocking.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fuck.

[Joker]

"I don't need to strengthen my squad"

http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Arsene-Wenger-thinks-lucky-United-can-go-season-unbeaten-53675.jpg

[Cripps_orig]

2012 is going to be as good as 2011

[Letters]

all went down the shitter when we took off the pacey widemen. lost all attacking momentum, outlet and threat, allowng fulham to pile forward.

thatll teach the clueless moaners for next time,

:lol: Is that supposed to be about Walcott? He delivered nothing all game.

[Master Splinter]

Good first half.

Disastrous second.

Fulham deserved it for their second half display, but we were denied two penalties again. Why don't they just announce that we are not allowed penalty kicks before the game.

Anyway, Koscielny, Mertesacker and Coquelin were good. Poor stuff from everyone else.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Pathetic second half performance, and shows how weak our squad really is. And yet the Pro-Wenger brigade have been trying to convince anyone who'd listen that Arsene knows. Well, it's pretty clear that at the moment he knows sweet FA.

I call BULLSHIT on this post.

If you've been hearing, 'Arsene Knows' anywhere - it is in your head.

[Dennis Bendtner]

:(

Our players looked dead on their feet in the second half as it was. The gay lion's departure compounded it. Who's next at full-back?

[gunnerrrrr]

Theo you are fucking shit
Gervhinio you are a fucking bell end
Wenger you are a great coach but a fucking clueless football manager...shocking tactics....these guys are not as good as the players you used to have so you need to do your fucking job and manage

Rosicky can fuck off, he is dog shit, in fact why the fuck was Oxo not on the bench yet again...fucking Wenger is stupid as fuck.

Shit fucking squad, these cunts are winning fuck all...How does Wenger justify his fucking pay this week after that shower of fucking shit

[Xhaka Can’t]

:lol: Is that supposed to be about Walcott? He delivered nothing all game.

The problem was taking Walcott and Gervinho off - thereby terminally slowing our play down.

[milla]

Defensively still good without natural fullbacks but midfield area is appalling tbh. Ramsey already looks fatique, we just dont have anyone who can command the midfield. You cant ask Song to do everything. One of Arteta, Ramsey or both of them must make way to better players. Hopefully Wenger will stop fekin around this Jan and add quality players in midfield. :coffee:

[tigerthesmurf85]

Woeful second half performance.

Awful substitutions.

Squillaci.

Ref was diabolical - and I'm not talking about the red card, that was a red.

[Joker]

Walcott and Gervinho were having shit games, but the bigger problem was our lack of options on the bench. Why the fuck was Oxlade not on the bench? Then, we could have done a like for like substitution, taking Theo/Gervinho off and bringing another pacey winger on.

And the way our midfield lost control in the 2nd half was telling. Arteta really isn't doing enough IMO. He needs to be hooked, but again, who can replace him at the moment?

[Cripps_orig]

Our midfield 3 is as bad as it gets

Song is off form and Arteta and Ramsey are extremely poor.

We need some creativity in there

[BOBN]

:lol: Is that supposed to be about Walcott? He delivered nothing all game.
yes he was poor, but his presence alone is a problem for opposition. facts are facts.

[Marc Overmars]

The performance levels have dropped over the past 6 games and the results are now catching up.

We had a great run but now it's back to the drawing board.

[Letters]

The problem was taking Walcott and Gervinho off - thereby terminally slowing our play down.

We were shit all 2nd half though, with them on the pitch and without them.
Theo just isn't very good. Gervinho has some skill but too often makes the wrong decision or shoots poorly or decides not to shoot when he should or....gaah!

It was just a shit 2nd half performance. I'm not convinced it would have been a better performance or result with those two still on the pitch.

[gunnerrrrr]

From Cesc Wilshire Song who bare in mind won fuck all, we now have Ramsey Arteta and Song......fcuk me

[Xhaka Can’t]

yes he was poor, but his presence alone is a problem for opposition. facts are facts.

I agree, but opinions are opinions.

[tigerthesmurf85]

Our midfield 3 is as bad as it gets

Song is off form and Arteta and Ramsey are extremely poor.

We need some creativity in there

Completely disagree. All three have been playing well this season. More down to attackers being extremely wasteful, even van Persie, and no full backs.

[Kaiser]

Yeah, with ten men, you at least want some pacy out ball up top. Neither Rosicky or Benayoun is that player. Poor form by Wenger. Conceded territory when making both those subs, even before Djourou got sent off.

But really, we should've been out of sight in the first half, had two good penalty shouts (Senderos on Gervinho and RVP) and a few other excellent chances. Poor tactical performance by Wenger. And bringing on Squillaci instead of Miquel (could've swapped Coquelin over to the right and played Miquel at LB) was stupid, pretty much guaranteeing that we'd conceded and he duly provided the assist.

Sad to see Szczesny flap at a cross, hopefully Almuniaitis isn't creeping in.

[gunnerrrrr]

We were shit all 2nd half though, with them on the pitch and without them.
Theo just isn't very good. Gervinho has some skill but too often makes the wrong decision or shoots poorly or decides not to shoot when he should or....gaah!

It was just a shit 2nd half performance. I'm not convinced it would have been a better performance or result with those two still on the pitch.
The issue is options, as Joker said why not replace one of those two who were both awful with someone like Oxo...another fast, direct and dangerous player...not someone like Rosicky who has been shit since 2008

[Letters]

Walcott and Gervinho were having shit games, but the bigger problem was our lack of options on the bench. Why the fuck was Oxlade not on the bench?

Hmm, so the monkey at a typewriter thing is true after all. Yes, Oxo looked good early season here and there, why isn't he even on the bench?

[selassie]

Defensively still good without natural fullbacks but midfield area is appalling tbh. Ramsey already looks fatique, we just dont have anyone who can command the midfield. You cant ask Song to do everything. One of Arteta, Ramsey or both of them must make way to better players. Hopefully Wenger will stop fekin around this Jan and add quality players in midfield. :coffee:

Wenger won't buy in Midfield. He said as much the other week when mentioning that he has Wilshire & Diaby coming back. Wilshire will improve the midfield massively, Diaby won't.

[hymppi]

well that was pathetic.
feo was shit again, completely clueless. AW was right to sub him,should have been done earlier.
but i'd have changed gervinho (even tho he's like a deer in headlights in front of goal) to right and put na-na-na-na-na-yossi at left.

song looked dead tired on second half.

coquelin was really good.
so were merts and kos.

4 points from the last three games. what the fuck?????
fucktards.

[Cripps_orig]

Completely disagree. All three have been playing well this season. More down to attackers being extremely wasteful, even van Persie, and no full backs.Ramsey has been awful for some time now. He needs to GTFO of the first team.

Arteta is pointless

[Letters]

yes he was poor, but his presence alone is a problem for opposition.

I suppose so. But as others have said, the real issue is the alternative, or lack thereof.

[Gubby Allen]

Inspired decision from Jol to bring Squillaci on when 1-0 down.

[BOBN]

its players like arshavin and chamakh who are to blame for not being credible alternatives.

so its on wenger. hes taking the piss with RVP, rinsing him dry. maybe he knows this is his last season and hes taking him for all hes worth.

[Marc Overmars]

Anyone still expecting a St Totteringhams Day this year?

[gunnerrrrr]

Ramsey has been awful for some time now. He needs to GTFO of the first team.

Arteta is pointless

Ramsey was shockingly bad right from the off, and no the assist does not excuse the level of shitness he showed....

That cunt from Fulham with the long silky hair, ran the midfield

[Ashburton2006]

Pathetic second half performance, and shows how weak our squad really is. And yet the Pro-Wenger brigade have been trying to convince anyone who'd listen that Arsene knows. Well, it's pretty clear that at the moment he knows sweet FA. Not sure how long Wenger and the board can carry on after yet another shit performance like this! The clueless French cunt has to go and die. We are being taken the piss out of! Where is the 50m pound mr Gazidis? Wankers, the whole lot of them.

[tigerthesmurf85]

Ramsey has been awful for some time now. He needs to GTFO of the first team.

Arteta is pointless

Yet again... completely disagree

[BOBN]

Walcott and Gervinho were having shit games, but the bigger problem was our lack of options on the bench. Why the fuck was Oxlade not on the bench? Then, we could have done a like for like substitution, taking Theo/Gervinho off and bringing another pacey winger on.

spot on

[Power n Glory]

The problem was taking Walcott and Gervinho off - thereby terminally slowing our play down.

Yep and Rosicky was free to roam which was crazy when we have Djourou as rightback and on a yellow.

The game flipped as soon as those subs were made. The midfield three aren't good enough. Fulham took over and we couldn't hold possession. Ramsey and Arteta aren't good enough in the middle IMO.

[tigerthesmurf85]

Not sure how long Wenger and the board can carry on after yet another shit performance like this! The clueless French cunt has to go and die. We are being taken the piss out of! Where is the 50m pound mr Gazidis? Wankers, the whole lot of them.

Lol. What a joke...

[Arsenal Fan]

arsenal deserve their lack of success...

proven yet again

[hymppi]

oh and the bench! where the hell is oxo? why can't park get a game? is miyachi dead?
for the love of god why do we still have squid in our squad?

[Niall_Quinn]

all went down the shitter when we took off the pacey widemen. lost all attacking momentum, outlet and threat, allowng fulham to pile forward.

thatll teach the clueless moaners for next time,

To be fair and if you check back, all the clueless comments were coming from you - including that gem about Bergkamp. You have decent wingers rather than the shite we saw out there today and we're talking 2 or 3 nil and 3 points. But the pair are the worst in the league at producing anything in the final third. Running up and down fast doesn't win games, losing the ball, fucking up crosses, playing the wrong ball. We had plenty of chances to seal the game but the two players some are claiming should have stayed on were so shite it's hardly a surprise they were subbed. Of course the fact we had nothing to bring on to replace them is another problem. But let's not glorify Laurel and Hardy because of that.

[gunnerrrrr]

Lol. What a joke...

Not really as a tactical football manager Wenger is fucking useless....great coach bare in mind

[Syn]

We had little chance of holding on after the red. And it was Mertesacker that caused the red by being weak and giving the ball away.

We tired in the second as expected. I don't agree with those who say we needed to keep Gerv and Theo on. They were garbage. The game had turned even with them on the pitch. Ruiz and Hangeland missed near-sitters and we were incredibly lucky to still be 0-1 up when they were taken off. We were tiring and struggling to inject any pace in attacks. But at that stage, a manager can do two things. He can bring on defensive reinforcements: Rosicky and Benayoun. Or he can bring on attacking reinforcements: Chamakh and Arshavin (Or a mix of both). Looking at those options, Wenger probably felt more comfortable going with Rosicky and Benayoun. But if we had something new in attack (Oxlade and Park) we might've had a better chance of nicking that second goal.

Mertesacker and Song were very poor in the second half. They were making mistakes you just don't expect from experienced players.

[selassie]

Anyone still expecting a St Totteringhams Day this year?

No, sadly I think they will finish above us this season and by quite a few points too.

[tigerthesmurf85]

Aww man I hate Rosicky

[gunnerrrrr]

No, sadly I think they will finish above us this season and by quite a few points too.

Better question is whether anyone still expects Champions league football next season

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Anyone still expecting a St Totteringhams Day this year?

'Arry being sent down is our last hope tbf.

[gunsofashburtongrove]

A tired team performance today Arteta and RVP looked jaded, Song & Ramsey not far behind. This was one match too many for the midfield. We were wasteful in front of the goal in the first half, but this still could have been a 1-0. The problem is we don't have replacements in midfield for Arteta, and the Song replacement is now new left back.

[PGFC]

Fucking idiots, sell the lot of 'em.

[BOBN]

To be fair and if you check back, all the clueless comments were coming from you - including that gem about Bergkamp. You have decent wingers rather than the shite we saw out there today and we're talking 2 or 3 nil and 3 points. But the pair are the worst in the league at producing anything in the final third. Running up and down fast doesn't win games, losing the ball, fucking up crosses, playing the wrong ball. We had plenty of chances to seal the game but the two players some are claiming should have stayed on were so shite it's hardly a surprise they were subbed. Of course the fact we had nothing to bring on to replace them is another problem. But let's not glorify Laurel and Hardy because of that.
RVP is better than bergkamp. fooking get over it.

[gunnerrrrr]

Aww man I hate Rosicky
what he is still doing at this club only Wenger can answer

[Ernesto]

It made absolutely no sense to keep Djourou on the pitch after his first yellow card. I don't think we'd made all three substitutions by then, either. He made a clumsy challenge on the by-line thereafter and luckily for him the ref played the advantage.

As thick as our players are, they'll still throw no caution to the wind, even if they're on yellow cards (see Alex Song). The red card for Djourou was as predictable as it was inevitable. Well done Wenger for keeping him on.

Losing to a pub team who Man Utd mauled 5-0 less than a week ago. Pathetic.

[gunnerrrrr]

RVP is better than bergkamp. fooking get over it.
LOL what

[Letters]

Not sure how long Wenger and the board can carry on after yet another shit performance like this! The clueless French cunt has to go and die. We are being taken the piss out of! Where is the 50m pound mr Gazidis? Wankers, the whole lot of them.

:lol: Aww, you haven't got to post here much since we've been on a good run, ah well at least you'll have some fun tonight before crawling back into your hole.

I've defended you in the past but I'm done, you're either a Spud or a WUM, I don't know or care which but you only come on here to have a moan (or a gloat, possibly) after a poor result. It's pathetic.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Though they were farcically crap, one of Walcott and Gervais should have stayed on, no doubt. Can see why Wenger would put one of Rosicky and Benayoun on, to help track runners. Both was the wrong message, both to Fulham and to RVP.

Have to say that Fulham have become very impressive in spells at home, where the pressure is unrelenting. Did similar to the Spuds. The gay Benayoun guy is good.

[tigerthesmurf85]

A tired team performance today Arteta and RVP looked jaded, Song & Ramsey not far behind. This was one match too many for the midfield. We were wasteful in front of the goal in the first half, but this still could have been a 1-0. The problem is we don't have replacements in midfield for Arteta, and the Song replacement is now new left back.

Luckily we've got a week off then a game in which players like them will be rested.

[Letters]

Losing to a pub team who Man Utd mauled 5-0 less than a week ago. Pathetic.

The same ManYoo who just lost to Blackburn at home?

Meh, it was a crap performance and a crap result. It happens.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Gonna have to take this on the chin but cant help feeling like I got punched in the gut!
would have taken the draw because its a bitch to lose a game in minutes added on but have to say our second half display was awful
we are really struggling for the second goal and for all my defence of Gervs, its players like him and Theo that have to provide for that goal. . .the goal that takes other teams oyt of the game. . .RvP needs to work on that too but to be fair the guy has almost single handedly got us yo where we are now. . .just shows what we would be like without him.

TBF Fulham probably wouldnt have got anything out of the guy if not for the red but it happened and it was up to us to reorganise and hunker down for the last 10. . .couldnt do it so time to move on.

BTW Joker none of the proWenger gang have been saying Arsene knows, everyone has been saying the project is not finished and that Wenger has a busy January ahead of him, he does need to strengthen, This loss is not an excuse for you to come out and say 'I told you so' as you are the only one who has been stupid enough to say we need to sell RvP.

[Cripps_orig]

Just seen Fulhams 2nd again

Harsh on Squillaci, Had to contend with 2 Fulham players and the fact he even won the header is a minor miracle. Unfortunate it went straight to Zamora.

First goal, Rosicky let Sidwell go and Sdsfhskdjhny does what he does best and we concede.

[Letters]

We had little chance of holding on after the red. And it was Mertesacker that caused the red by being weak and giving the ball away.

That's the sort of think I'd expect from Zimm...

[Gubby Allen]

I've seen that game about 40 times before in the last 3 or 4 seasons.

The major fault was not going into the break with at least two goals - although the chances Fulham tossed away they could've had 5 in the second half.

Chamakh & Arshavin not having come on for the last few minutes to deflect all the criticism away should be a blessing as you can see there are numerous players who have done next to nothing since November - although Squillaci's inspired 10 minutes & brilliant assist to Zamora might ruin that.

Walcott was pitiful again, the amount of chances he spurns game after game are inexcusabale, Gervinho was wasteful, Arteta completely anonymous, Djorrou's red card was inevitable for at least 10 minutes before, he is thick as pig shit for that, albeit Zamora went down easily, Rosicky offered nothing & Mertesacker doesn't command enough. Fulham should've had 3 headed goals within 10 minutes.

[BOBN]

You have decent wingers rather than the shite we saw out there today and we're talking 2 or 3 nil and 3 points. But the pair are the worst in the league at producing anything in the final third. Running up and down fast doesn't win games, losing the ball, fucking up crosses, playing the wrong ball. We had plenty of chances to seal the game but the two players some are claiming should have stayed on were so shite it's hardly a surprise they were subbed. Of course the fact we had nothing to bring on to replace them is another problem. But let's not glorify Laurel and Hardy because of that.
wait, worst in the league?

so where the fuck is record signing arshavin?

I guarentee he is getting paid more than gervinho or walcott.

[tigerthesmurf85]

what he is still doing at this club only Wenger can answer

Absolutely no idea. Does fuck all. Rosicky, Arshavin, Chamakh, Squillaci, Fabianski, Park. 6 players who aren't good enough for Blackburn

[Marc Overmars]

Next game is Swansea away.

Expect a similar game there as well.

Only question is whether we've manned up up front.

[selassie]

Better question is whether anyone still expects Champions league football next season

I dunno, Chelsea are pretty hopeless and Liverpool very unpredictable but I expect both of them to buy *proper players* in the January Window. I personally think if we stick as we are don't do any substantial business then we'll be on Channel 5 next season plying our trade in the Europa League minus RVP. I know we have Jack & Sagna to come back but that won't save us offensively.

As it stands I think if we make top 4 it would be a bonus, I'm not expecting it.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

From Cesc Wilshire Song who bare in mind won fuck all, we now have Ramsey Arteta and Song......fcuk me

Be fair Jack has been injured

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Fulham derseved their win, they fought, we faded end off.

Football is 90 mins not 60.

Wenger needs to buy in jan because if not we will see more games like this.

[gunsofashburtongrove]

Just seen Fulhams 2nd again

Harsh on Squillaci, Had to contend with 2 Fulham players and the fact he even won the header is a minor miracle. Unfortunate it went straight to Zamora.

First goal, Rosicky let Sidwell go and Sdsfhskdjhny does what he does best and we concede.
Cant blame Squid for the second. Coquelin failed to get back

[Ernesto]

The same ManYoo who just lost to Blackburn at home?

Meh, it was a crap performance and a crap result. It happens.

Man, it's just frustrating when we're making the same mistakes over and over again, season after season. Yes, it was a crap performance, fair enough. But, by all intents and purposes, Chelsea played crap today, too. They got three points.

When you're holding a 0-1 lead and you're Arsenal you should be able to hold it with 7 minutes to go, unless you're playing teams of impeccable standard.

[LDG]

Didn't see the game so can't comment on performances.From what I am reading, we're missing fullbacks like Letters misses cake. Yes, Theo and gerb seem to be spurning chances, and yes, we seem to have no options off the bench. Why AOC isn't being used is a mystery....perhaps down to appearance clauses in the fee?? In any case, the width we get from fullbacks supporting the attack and pushing teams back is badly missed. We've been incredibly unlucky AGAIN in the injury department.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That's the sort of think I'd expect from Zimm...

TBF he is right though. Poor defending from merts there.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Taking off Gervinho and Walcott - meant Fulham could afford to press - there was no threat of pace - regardless as to how shit Walcott and Gervinho played - their pace is a threat to defenders. Djourou was totally naive - no one else to blame and the fact that Wenger took off Ramsey and put on Squillacci gave the green light for fulham to go all out for the win. And yes it was Squillacci who couldn't clear his lines and allowed the cross to zamora. I swear if I see squillacci near an arsenal shirt again I will lose the plot.
Our worst performance of 2012. Can only get better..right?

[Joker]

Absolutely no idea. Does fuck all. Rosicky, Arshavin, Chamakh, Squillaci, Fabianski, Park. 6 players who aren't good enough for Blackburn

Exactly, it's unbelievable that Wenger has assembled a squad with such utter garbage sprinkled liberally throughout it. We had the whole summer to get rid of the deadwood, and replace them with better quality. Instead, we lost some of our first team players and failed to replace them properly, and we didn't get rid of the turds making up the rest of the squad. Wenger has to take responsibility for that.

[BOBN]

LOL what
technique, end product, goals > technique alone

[Ashburton2006]

:lol: Aww, you haven't got to post here much since we've been on a good run, ah well at least you'll have some fun tonight before crawling back into your hole.

I've defended you in the past but I'm done, you're either a Spud or a WUM, I don't know or care which but you only come on here to have a moan (or a gloat, possibly) after a poor result. It's pathetic.

Not a spud letters, just a very pissed off gooner! I agree, you defended me in the past, but I have been saying for years that wenger must go! We have the money for a new Manager to spend on quality! No hasbeens!

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Cant blame Squid for the second. Coquelin failed to get back
What? What game were you watching? Can't fault Coquelin today - best player in an Arsenal shirt.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Next game is Swansea away.

Expect a similar game there as well.

Only question is whether we've manned up up front.

At least the non-pub teamers will have had a couple of weeks off. But really, Oxlade will probably play the Leeds game. And play really fucking well. Let's see what happens then...

[Globalgunner]

nothing new about the performance or lack of it. We are indecisive in midfield, letting fulham play us like real madrid. Our options on the wing are two nitwits for whom the goal is like kryptonite to Superman, they become paralaysed at the sight of it. This a team that were tanked 5-0 at home by united in their last home match. ramsey is too slow and can never get the ball out of his feet in less than 3 moves and Arteta is more like a passenger in midfield these days. Cue more panic buying by Wenger this month just to keep us in a holding pattern. He is the only manager i know that year on year gets progressively worse at his job

[tigerthesmurf85]

Exactly, it's unbelievable that Wenger has assembled a squad with such utter garbage sprinkled liberally throughout it. We had the whole summer to get rid of the deadwood, and replace them with better quality. Instead, we lost some of our first team players and failed to replace them properly, and we didn't get rid of the turds making up the rest of the squad. Wenger has to take responsibility for that.

It's quite baffling really. It's not going to happen in January but I can see Chamakh, Arshavin and Rosicky leaving at least.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Aww man I hate Rosicky

He's played well this season and given us the exprience we need, its just his pace he lost.

[Letters]

TBF he is right though. Poor defending from merts there.

No, he's not right. Even if it was a mistake from Mers, that didn't cause the sending off.
Djourou's incessant fouling which meant he was already on a booking caused it too.

[tigerthesmurf85]

He's played well this season and given us the exprience we need, its just his pace he lost.
:blink:

[Cripps_orig]

Cant blame Squid for the second. Coquelin failed to get backI dont blame Squillaci at all. If it was anyone else, no one else would be blaming him either.

As for Coq, hes not a full back plus he had a good game so if i was being harsh then yeah we can blame him for that but id rather say its one of those goals that happen.

First goal was the problem

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Exactly, it's unbelievable that Wenger has assembled a squad with such utter garbage sprinkled liberally throughout it. We had the whole summer to get rid of the deadwood, and replace them with better quality. Instead, we lost some of our first team players and failed to replace them properly, and we didn't get rid of the turds making up the rest of the squad. Wenger has to take responsibility for that.

This sqaud was doing well up to today so it can't be all bad can it all it needs is tweeking in Jan thats all.

[Letters]

Not a spud letters, just a very pissed off gooner! I agree, you defended me in the past, but I have been saying for years that wenger must go! We have the money for a new Manager to spend on quality! No hasbeens!

You pretty much never post here when we're on a good run (which we have been).
You're the first on here when we have a set back to have a moan or start a reactionary thread.
People have drawn their own conclusions from that.
If you posted more regularly with more balanced views then you may have some credibility.

[Joker]

Spurs now have a much superior squad to us, when 5 years ago we were light years ahead of them. Why has Wenger allowed this to happen, and why haven't the board done anything? I've said it before, but our club are no longer interested in trophies or even small things like "getting one over your rivals". It's all about profit these days, which is why we've seen the criminal lack of investment in the squad over the last 5 years, with Wenger content on filling the side with mid table junk and untested youth players, hoping they'd come good.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Not a spud letters, just a very pissed off gooner! I agree, you defended me in the past, but I have been saying for years that wenger must go! We have the money for a new Manager to spend on quality! No hasbeens!

Quick - get another post in - you haven't got long!

[Niall_Quinn]

wait, worst in the league?

so where the fuck is record signing arshavin?

I guarentee he is getting paid more than gervinho or walcott.

Arshavin was last seen playing a killer pass for RvP to score the winner. At least he can deliver ONCE in a while. Same can't be said for the hapless Walnut or panic merchant Gervinho. Ashy is a lazy fuck but he still manages to be more productive when it really counts. Not saying his performances are good enough, they aren't, but at least he's not guaranteed to fuck it up. Theo's so bad he doesn't even get lucky.

[gunnerrrrr]

technique, end product, goals > technique alone

Bergkamp never played up front on his own for starters....lol

what are you on about....lord

i guess Zidane was average as he never scored more than 10 league goals throughout his career....

[gunsofashburtongrove]

Didn't see the game so can't comment on performances.From what I am reading, we're missing fullbacks like Letters misses cake. Yes, Theo and gerb seem to be spurning chances, and yes, we seem to have no options off the bench. Why AOC isn't being used is a mystery....perhaps down to appearance clauses in the fee?? In any case, the width we get from fullbacks supporting the attack and pushing teams back is badly missed. We've been incredibly unlucky AGAIN in the injury department.
Cant help feel that with Ox and Park it is appearance based clause that is stopping them from playing.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:blink:

well he has not been as bad as your making out, he hardly starts tbf. Not saying he is the answer but has been ok for us this season.

[selassie]

This sqaud was doing well up to today so it can't be all bad can it all it needs is tweeking in Jan thats all.

The problem is we're always 2 or 3 tweeks away from being where we want to be.

[tigerthesmurf85]

This sqaud was doing well up to today so it can't be all bad can it all it needs is tweeking in Jan thats all.

Squad wasn't doing that well. It was about 95% the starting 11 that has got us to this position.

[gunnerrrrr]

This sqaud was doing well up to today so it can't be all bad can it all it needs is tweeking in Jan thats all.

No the squad was being carried by the fifth best footballer in the world.......

[Joker]

This sqaud was doing well up to today so it can't be all bad can it all it needs is tweeking in Jan thats all.

Do you really think Wenger will make the necessary "tweaks" in January? To be honest, we need a bit more than simply tweaking, but it's clear that only Henry will be signed on a short term deal, and that will be that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Spurs now have a much superior squad to us, when 5 years ago we were light years ahead of them. Why has Wenger allowed this to happen, and why haven't the board done anything? I've said it before, but our club are no longer interested in trophies or even small things like "getting one over your rivals". It's all about profit these days, which is why we've seen the criminal lack of investment in the squad over the last 5 years, with Wenger content on filling the side with mid table junk and untested youth players, hoping they'd come good.

who gives too shits about spurs

[Ernesto]

F***in red n white shite.

[tigerthesmurf85]

well he has not been as bad as your making out, he hardly starts tbf. Not saying he is the answer but has been ok for us this season.

I'm just sick of average to shit players in our squad... not good enough

[Power n Glory]

Gervinho and Theo have been missing chances and playing shit for weeks. But despite that, we've at least been able to dominate games and win if we're a goal up.

They managed to score two goals today. You've got to question how that came about? They really need to step their game up and maybe Wenger wouldn't make such bad subs but we shouldn't be losing when we've led for most of the game.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You pretty much never post here when we're on a good run (which we have been).
You're the first on here when we have a set back to have a moan or start a reactionary thread.
People have drawn their own conclusions from that.
If you posted more regularly with more balanced views then you may have some credibility.

He can't.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

I dont blame Squillaci at all. If it was anyone else, no one else would be blaming him either.

As for Coq, hes not a full back plus he had a good game so if i was being harsh then yeah we can blame him for that but id rather say its one of those goals that happen.

First goal was the problem

If I'm not mistaken Cripps - Squillacci was brought on for Ramsey to defend the point??? He was easily beaten to the ball which was crossed for Zamora to score. Szcez had an off-day (had to happen at some point) there was no point bringing Squillacci on for Ramsey - Ramsey was relieving the pressure on the defence - providing an outlet and chasing down the ball....best defense is an offence. Wenger bringing on Squillacci and taking off both pacey wingers was the reason we lost today. Even with 10 men we should have been able to see out that game or at the least get the point. The Squillacci substitution changed that. Boo to Wenger today.

[Gubby Allen]

Exactly, it's unbelievable that Wenger has assembled a squad with such utter garbage sprinkled liberally throughout it. We had the whole summer to get rid of the deadwood, and replace them with better quality. Instead, we lost some of our first team players and failed to replace them properly, and we didn't get rid of the turds making up the rest of the squad. Wenger has to take responsibility for that.

Denilson & Bendtner are still with the club too - and Diaby. There are plenty of better players than Walcott for sides in the bottom half of the table who cannot hold down a regular place either, Zamora for one.

[gunsofashburtongrove]

What? What game were you watching? Can't fault Coquelin today - best player in an Arsenal shirt. He was along with Kos oustanding. Doesnt mean that he didn't make a mistake. If you go back and watch the match you will see that after the cross came in where Coq was covering he failed to come in leaving space for Kos to mark 2 players

[LDG]

He can't.

:lol:

[BOBN]

Arshavin was last seen playing a killer pass for RvP to score the winner. At least he can deliver ONCE in a while. Same can't be said for the hapless Walnut or panic merchant Gervinho. Ashy is a lazy fuck but he still manages to be more productive when it really counts. Not saying his performances are good enough, they aren't, but at least he's not guaranteed to fuck it up. Theo's so bad he doesn't even get lucky.
well thats pure rubbish.

show me the stats, contributions per game.....arshavin has been nothing short of a disgrace bar his first 5 months and ive no doubt the numbers will back that up.

yes wenger should be looking for better players than the likes of walcott but if you need a scapegoat then look no further than that clown. worst signing of wengers career bar none.

[gunsofashburtongrove]

I dont blame Squillaci at all. If it was anyone else, no one else would be blaming him either.

As for Coq, hes not a full back plus he had a good game so if i was being harsh then yeah we can blame him for that but id rather say its one of those goals that happen.

First goal was the problem
Agreed

[Ernesto]

If only the tube strike had happened today.

B*st*rd train drivers.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

worst signing of wengers career bar none.
Nah...that goes to Hleb!

[Marc Overmars]

It's impertive that we sign a forward now IMO, possibly a fullback as well.

The goals have dried up over the past 5-6 games and what we all feared is now happening, RVP is not going score a brace every game or a wondergoal, which is fine, but what other threats do we pose? Not many.

I don't see how we can expect to finish 4th with such limited options. We've done very well to haul ourselves back into contention but now it's down to the business half of the season, we've got move up a gear again.

[Cripps_orig]

If I'm not mistaken Cripps - Squillacci was brought on for Ramsey to defend the point??? He was easily beaten to the ball which was crossed for Zamora to score. Szcez had an off-day (had to happen at some point) there was no point bringing Squillacci on for Ramsey - Ramsey was relieving the pressure on the defence - providing an outlet and chasing down the ball....best defense is an offence. Wenger bringing on Squillacci and taking off both pacey wingers was the reason we lost today. Even with 10 men we should have been able to see out that game or at the least get the point. The Squillacci substitution changed that. Boo to Wenger today.He won the header...he couldnt direct the header as he was jumping with 2 Fulham players who put him off balance. Its just unfortunate Zamora happened to be where the ball went. Not his fault at all. Had that been Kos making the header, no one on here would be blaming him. Its cos its Squillaci.

Ramsey was part of the awful trio of CMs we have had the past few weeks. We know Song is good enough but hes off form. Ramsey and Arteta are just poor.

[Power n Glory]

Exactly, it's unbelievable that Wenger has assembled a squad with such utter garbage sprinkled liberally throughout it. We had the whole summer to get rid of the deadwood, and replace them with better quality. Instead, we lost some of our first team players and failed to replace them properly, and we didn't get rid of the turds making up the rest of the squad. Wenger has to take responsibility for that.


Nah...that goes to Hleb!

You guys are smoking! Squallaci. Almunia.

[BOBN]

Bergkamp never played up front on his own for starters....lol

what are you on about....lord
yes he did, he just couldnt cut it there. 05 FA Cup final for example. and he began as a centre forward at ajax.

anyway stop it, im not talking about that rubbish right now.

[Letters]

It's impertive that we sign a forward now IMO, possibly a fullback as well.

The goals have dried up over the past 5-6 games and what we all feared is now happening, RVP is not going score a brace every game or a wondergoal, which is fine, but what other threats do we pose? Not many.

I don't see how we can expect to finish 4th with such limited options. We've done very well to haul ourselves back into contention but now it's down to the business half of the season, we've got move up a gear again.

:gp: That.

This result has been coming. RvP, again, bailed us out vs QPR. He can't do it every game. We've nothing else up front, if we don't get some more firepower we've got no chance of top 4.

[Gubby Allen]

well thats pure rubbish.

show me the stats, contributions per game.....arshavin has been nothing short of a disgrace bar his first 5 months and ive no doubt the numbers will back that up.

yes wenger should be looking for better players than the likes of walcott but if you need a scapegoat then look no further than that clown. worst signing of wengers career bar none.

Arshavin had the top assists in the league the season before last and in the Champions League too. Think he was our top points scorer in the FFL last season, at least until the last couple of games.

[LDG]

It's impertive that we sign a forward now IMO, possibly a fullback as well.

The goals have dried up over the past 5-6 games and what we all feared is now happening, RVP is not going score a brace every game or a wondergoal, which is fine, but what other threats do we pose? Not many.

I don't see how we can expect to finish 4th with such limited options. We've done very well to haul ourselves back into
contention but now it's down to the business half of the season, we've got move up a gear again.

Pretty much man. We need an injection, and it needs impact. Wilshere returning will be ace, but we can't wait around this time. We're threadbare at fullback and we have no firepower right now. I wish we'd be proactive rather than reactive for once.

[Joker]

http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xneidb

Squillaci should be doing better, okay he's up against two players (although one of them isn't really challenging) but at least direct your header away from the penalty area.

[BOBN]

Nah...that goes to Hleb!dont be daft

hleb was a fantastic player. a key member of the best arsenal side since the invincibles (07-08) and probably the best at keeping possession. a team good enough to win the league which was only denied by the ronaldo-rooney-tevez brilliance.

[BOBN]

Arshavin had the top assists in the league the season before last and in the Champions League too. Think he was our top points scorer in the FFL last season, at least until the last couple of games.
rubbish. prove it.

[Kaiser]

You guys are on about AW's worst signing and don't mention Amaury Bischoff? Pathetic.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Do you really think Wenger will make the necessary "tweaks" in January? To be honest, we need a bit more than simply tweaking, but it's clear that only Henry will be signed on a short term deal, and that will be that.

Im not Wenger so i can't answer that, id hope he signs his targets but who knows, lets hope after today he does act quickly.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

rubbish. prove it.

He did have 17 assists in total last season tbf. And ten goals.

That's not to say he hasn't been beyond woeful this season though, mainly because he has.

[Alpha]

I can understanding all these reactions due to frustations .we are all disappointed after a defeat . But lets keep our head cool and see really what happened .
From the start you could see some players look tired because they gave a lot at the previous games . wenger got it wrong by starting players who should have been on bench .

Special mention : Coquelin looks really good for his age and being played out of position it was a tremendous performance from him

Koscielny was imperial and bossed the defense superbly . a really good defender .

Metersacker begins to adapt to the Premier league . He showed intelligence and maturity .

The clowns : Is there any headless chicken than Djourou ? He is brainless , clueless .. .

In fact the game should have been won but poor finishing and lack of urgency brought Fulham back to life .

What didi we learn form this game ? wenger should look into his team and take some brave decision . Squillaci played at the right back ? That summed all for the current
Squad : S O S.

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

2012 is going to be as good as 2011
Oi! i said that first, pay my royalties or STFU

[Niall_Quinn]

Why are our injuries always so long term, we lose players like Sagna, Jack, Jenks, and they are never seen again. Now we hear TV is out for 1 game - that's code at Arsenal for "Don't expect to see him ever again".

[Cripps_orig]

Oi! i said that first, pay my royalties or STFUFair enough

Il pay you the royalties as soon as i get my royalties for all im due

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:gp: That.

This result has been coming. RvP, again, bailed us out vs QPR. He can't do it every game. We've nothing else up front, if we don't get some more firepower we've got no chance of top 4.

Yep, just hope we ain't becoming a one man team, it seems lately when RVP does not show up neither does the team, we have seen that before.

[Cripps_orig]

Still dont understand whats happened with Jenkinson

Yeah hes shit but hes a full back and a shit full back is a better than no full back

[Letters]

http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xneidb

Squillaci should be doing better, okay he's up against two players (although one of them isn't really challenging) but at least direct your header away from the penalty area.

I thought some people were being a bit harsh on Squillaci but as a defender you don't really want to be heading it back across goal. He was a bit unlucky where it fell but if you head it that way it's liable to happen.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Still dont understand whats happened with Jenkinson

Yeah hes shit but hes a full back and a shit full back is a better than no full back

Back injuries, like ankle injuries are the ones you want to avoid. Well unless you're us, apparently.

[Niall_Quinn]

Still dont understand whats happened with Jenkinson

Yeah hes shit but hes a full back and a shit full back is a better than no full back

And he's not even shit, in fact he's a good player and a great crosser of the ball.

[BOBN]

He did have 17 assists in total last season tbf. And ten goals.

That's not to say he hasn't been beyond woeful this season though, mainly because he has.
ok, fair enough.

maybe he was good for longer than the 5 months I suggested. now he is deadweight tho and its players like that who are most to blame for this situation.

look at united, they have been able to bring in valencia as ashley young went off the boil and he has largely done the business. they can drop/rest players like rooney and welbeck. we are asking for more from our front 3 than any of our rivals.

but yeah walcott needs to pipe down with his £85k a week wage demand. absurd for a developing player.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://arsenalist.com/video/?id=xneidb

Squillaci should be doing better, okay he's up against two players (although one of them isn't really challenging) but at least direct your header away from the penalty area.

Squillaci is and will always be a mistake waiting to happen. If you bring him on when your 1-0 up with players sent off your asking for trouble.

Why did Wenger not sub JD instead on Gev or Theo is a better question.

[Cripps_orig]

I thought some people were being a bit harsh on Squillaci but as a defender you don't really want to be heading it back across goal. He was a bit unlucky where it fell but if you head it that way it's liable to happen.Looks to me like he was off balance cos he was competing with 2 Fulham players and when youre off balance, cant help where the ball goes.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Still dont understand whats happened with Jenkinson

Yeah hes shit but hes a full back and a shit full back is a better than no full back

He's not shit just inexprienced at this level.

[Niall_Quinn]

I thought some people were being a bit harsh on Squillaci but as a defender you don't really want to be heading it back across goal. He was a bit unlucky where it fell but if you head it that way it's liable to happen.

The fact we can sign 3 new defenders and still find ourselves down to our "break glass in absolute emergency" defender is so us.

[Letters]

Looks to me like he was off balance cos he was competing with 2 Fulham players and when youre off balance, cant help where the ball goes.

You're always going to be under pressure in the box when a ball like that comes in. If you can't help where the ball goes then you probably shouldn't be playing at this level. I dunno, it wasn't an easy header but that's why he gets the big bucks.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Squillaci ballsed up but we probably all expected him to do it. Wenger was happy to bring on Miquel against Citeh away but not today? Just plain weird.

[Gubby Allen]

rubbish. prove it.

Here you go - 2010 - actually alongisde Schneider at the top.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2010/statistics/index.html

Still been shit this season, but he'll be gone anyway. It's the players that look settled in for the next few years where the problems will continue to be, unless something is done now.

[Xhaka Can’t]

ok, fair enough.

maybe he was good for longer than the 5 months I suggested. now he is deadweight tho and its players like that who are most to blame for this situation.

look at united, they have been able to bring in valencia as ashley young went off the boil and he has largely done the business. they can drop/rest players like rooney and welbeck. we are asking for more from our front 3 than any of our rivals.

but yeah walcott needs to pipe down with his £85k a week wage demand. absurd for a developing player.

We should offer him 85 grand an assist and 170 grand a goal.

[Gubby Allen]

Be interesting to see who the full backs are for the Leeds game, particuarly so if they play well.

Will Djorrou just be banned for that?

[Power n Glory]

Exactly, it's unbelievable that Wenger has assembled a squad with such utter garbage sprinkled liberally throughout it. We had the whole summer to get rid of the deadwood, and replace them with better quality. Instead, we lost some of our first team players and failed to replace them properly, and we didn't get rid of the turds making up the rest of the squad. Wenger has to take responsibility for that.


We had little chance of holding on after the red. And it was Mertesacker that caused the red by being weak and giving the ball away.

We tired in the second as expected. I don't agree with those who say we needed to keep Gerv and Theo on. They were garbage. The game had turned even with them on the pitch. Ruiz and Hangeland missed near-sitters and we were incredibly lucky to still be 0-1 up when they were taken off. We were tiring and struggling to inject any pace in attacks. But at that stage, a manager can do two things. He can bring on defensive reinforcements: Rosicky and Benayoun. Or he can bring on attacking reinforcements: Chamakh and Arshavin (Or a mix of both). Looking at those options, Wenger probably felt more comfortable going with Rosicky and Benayoun. But if we had something new in attack (Oxlade and Park) we might've had a better chance of nicking that second goal.

Mertesacker and Song were very poor in the second half. They were making mistakes you just don't expect from experienced players.

It turned into a one sided affair once they came off. Ramsey and Arteta should never have finished that game. Fulham were bypassing our midfield all day and it got worse as the game went on. Without Gerv and Theo covering the wings and tracking runners, we were open. We should have never lost that game. Bad subs flipped the game. The last 20 minutes was played in our own half. Theo and Gerv gave Fulham something to worry about at least. On fast breaks, Benni and Rosicky couldn't keep up the pace but it's not as if Ramsey and Arteta could find them anyway.

We've missed chances in games before and still come out on top. We surrendered possession with those subs. I hate the Arteta and Ramsey combo. Both aren't good enough and it showed badly today because once players weren't bursting forward, they couldn't play the intelligent pass and keep possession. They couldn't even foul the Fulham playere just to break their stride a bit.

But saying that, we could do better than Gerv and Theo. Terrible performances but they are the type of wingers you need for a 4-3-3. Direct, single minded and bags of pace. They're the right sort of wingers but the quality is questionable. Pace scares defenders. Well, these two can be described as rubber guns. They at least appear to be threatening. :lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/korea1.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

We should offer him 85 grand an assist and 170 grand a goal.

No way will he play for us for free - get real.

[BOBN]

Here you go - 2010 - actually alongisde Schneider at the top.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2010/statistics/index.html

Still been shit this season, but he'll be gone anyway. It's the players that look settled in for the next few years where the problems will continue to be, unless something is done now.I concede. but still, his recent contributions have been more offensive than any fukk-up walcott/gervinho have contrived to commit.

the guy simply needs to go out and spend another £40 million

[Niall_Quinn]

It turned into a one sided affair once they came off. Ramsey and Arteta should never have finished that game. Fulham were bypassing our midfield all day and it got worse as the game went on. Without Gerv and Theo covering the wings and tracking runners, we were open. We should have never lost that game. Bad subs flipped the game. The last 20 minutes was played in our own half. Theo and Gerv gave Fulham something to worry about at least. On fast breaks, Benni and Rosicky couldn't keep up the pace but it's not as if Ramsey and Arteta could find them anyway.

We've missed chances in games before and still come out on top. We surrendered possession with those subs. I hate the Arteta and Ramsey combo. Both aren't good enough and it showed badly today because once players weren't bursting forward, they couldn't play the intelligent pass and keep possession. They couldn't even foul the Fulham playere just to break their stride a bit.

But saying that, we could do better than Gerv and Theo. Terrible performances but they are the type of wingers you need for a 4-3-3. Direct, single minded and bags of pace. They're the right sort of wingers but the quality is questionable. Pace scares defenders. Well, these two can be described as rubber guns. They at least appear to be threatening. :lol:

Why didn't we just keep Traore and play him on the wing then? He has pace and very little talent and would be cheaper and just as ineffective as the two we have.

[Cripps_orig]

on the key decisions...
I think it was 100 per cent a penalty on Gervinho from Senderos in the first half. The referee had a massive influence on the game like that. We have played many games recently where if it had gone our way we would not have been in trouble and would have stayed with 11 on the pitch.

You want the right decisions in a game of that importance. But I do not want to speak about that anymore. We had the chances to kill the game off before that and to win. I think it's very unlucky for us to lose the game with 10 men. When you see the game today that we finished with 10 men, it's very difficult to take. That makes a massive difference when you have played 48 hours before. It's too difficult.

on losing another defender…
I think we have done well being short. We have lost three left backs, two right backs. What can you do? You cannot buy 10 full backs to make sure you have one in case of injury.

on trying to climb the table…
There was too much at stake in the game today, we needed absolutely everything to go for us, to be right. We are guilty because we still gave two goals away, I felt, in a stupid way and we didn't take our chances. Nothing went for us from the referee today, nothing at all. We cannot change that and we have to live with it unfortunately.

on the lack of penalty decisions in their favour…
We [should have] had a clear penalty in the last game against QPR with a clear handball, a penalty at Man City and we had a penalty at Villa Park. You should not ask me, I don't know.

Can see why the Gervinho one wasnt given but RVP one was blatant

[BOBN]

No way will he play for us for free - get real.
:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

I concede. but still, his recent contributions have been more offensive than any fukk-up walcott/gervinho have contrived to commit.

the guy simply needs to go out and spend another £40 million

Which would mean selling £70mill worth of players, and I'm not sure that will improve things.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Why didn't we just keep Traore and play him on the wing then? He has pace and very little talent and would be cheaper and just as ineffective as the two we have.

He was woeful thats why

[Niall_Quinn]

He was woeful thats why

Precisely, that's why we should have persisted and played him every game.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

He won the header...he couldnt direct the header as he was jumping with 2 Fulham players who put him off balance. Its just unfortunate Zamora happened to be where the ball went. Not his fault at all. Had that been Kos making the header, no one on here would be blaming him. Its cos its Squillaci.

Ramsey was part of the awful trio of CMs we have had the past few weeks. We know Song is good enough but hes off form. Ramsey and Arteta are just poor.
Kos wouldn't have headed back across his own-goal. Squillacci is just in-ept

[Cripps_orig]

Kos wouldn't have headed back across his own-goal. Squillacci is just in-eptI doubt Kos would have much say in the matter when he jumps for the ball, is knocked off balance by 2 opposition players.

It was an inept keeper that should be blamed

[Niall_Quinn]

Kos wouldn't have headed back across his own-goal. Squillacci is just in-ept

Wish he was in ept, anywhere but here. Guy isn't a defender at all but he ticks all the boxes in terms of being a tight arse, cheapskate option.

[Globalgunner]

That hasnt stopped Wenger keeping, Denilson, Sqillaci,Rosicky, bendtner, Djorou, et al on the wage bill for ages. bottom line is wenger likes to dredge around for diamonds in a dumpster. Problem is knowing a gem from a turd and having the gumption to toss the crap back ASAP.

[Power n Glory]

Exactly, it's unbelievable that Wenger has assembled a squad with such utter garbage sprinkled liberally throughout it. We had the whole summer to get rid of the deadwood, and replace them with better quality. Instead, we lost some of our first team players and failed to replace them properly, and we didn't get rid of the turds making up the rest of the squad. Wenger has to take responsibility for that.


Why didn't we just keep Traore and play him on the wing then? He has pace and very little talent and would be cheaper and just as ineffective as the two we have.

Cause he's a fullback and i said we need a step up in quality.

If we're going to depend on our wingers to score and create, we need to be looking at top quality guys. But at least we're playing guys that aren't slow attacking midfield players.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bah. 3 games in quick order and the limits of our squad has been exposed. Was always likely to happen but we get a break now and hopefully this lot have more balls than recent teams and will bounce back. Our limit is 4th place though, provided the scum currently in 3rd fuck up as expected.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

I doubt Kos would have much say in the matter when he jumps for the ball, is knocked off balance by 2 opposition players.

It was an inept keeper that should be blamed

Squillacci comes on with 9 minutes to go and we concede 2 goals. No need to take off ramsey. And when it counted...he heads back across his own goal. He should have been fresh-faced, fresh-legged and smelling like a daisy and then nutted that ball away at all costs - I am 100% sure Kos or Vermaelen or Sagna would have nutted it backwards and won the foul in the process. NO ONE ELSE to blame today except Wenger and his little Squillacci. How are we going to sell him now.

[topgun]

It's impertive that we sign a forward now IMO, possibly a fullback as well.

The goals have dried up over the past 5-6 games and what we all feared is now happening, RVP is not going score a brace every game or a wondergoal, which is fine, but what other threats do we pose? Not many.

I don't see how we can expect to finish 4th with such limited options. We've done very well to haul ourselves back into contention but now it's down to the business half of the season, we've got move up a gear again.
Games like today are always going to happen,my worry is the large amount of average players in the squad,sadly over recent times the level of quality in the squad has slowly ebbed away and been replaced with what can only be described as midtable fare and if we get enough of those its not rocket science where we will end up.We need to get the level of quality in the squad back up again and that requires signings and if this does not happen there is going to be no happy ending.:oldboy:

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Bah. 3 games in quick order and the limits of our squad has been exposed. Was always likely to happen but we get a break now and hopefully this lot have more balls than recent teams and will bounce back. Our limit is 4th place though, provided the scum currently in 3rd fuck up as expected. 4th is between us and chelski

[Cripps_orig]

Squillacci comes on with 9 minutes to go and we concede 2 goals. No need to take off ramsey. And when it counted...he heads back across his own goal. He should have been fresh-faced, fresh-legged and smelling like a daisy and then nutted that ball away at all costs - I am 100% sure Kos or Vermaelen or Sagna would have nutted it backwards and won the foul in the process. NO ONE ELSE to blame today except Wenger and his little Squillacci. How are we going to sell him now.Did you miss the first goal?

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Did you miss the first goal?
Yes

[Dennis Bendtner]

Can't really blame Squillaci. He turns up at most games to sit in the stands drinking coffee. Can't have expected him to learn how to defend in that time. Miquel had to be the better option.

[Marc Overmars]

Chesney fucked up at 0-1 as well, Senderos flicked a header on to an open goal but it floated just wide. Very lucky not to concede there.

Basically today just bought back the memories of the "dark days".

We were bound to have a relapse eventually. Lets hope a rot isn't allowed to set in this time.

[Marc Overmars]

4th is between us and chelski

Liverpool move above us tomorrow with a win, granted an unlikely win, but they're certainly in with a shout. 3 horse race for 4th and we're 2nd favs.

Work to be done.

[Bergkampwonderland10]

Did you miss the first goal?

Yes, but am sure Squillacci entering the field of play encouraged Fulham not to settle for just a point and go all out for 3! Anyways - it's done. Squillacci is the worst defender in our squad and our squad contains some pretty rubbish players

[Cripps_orig]

Chesney fucked up at 0-1 as well, Senderos flicked a header on to an open goal but it floated just wide. Very lucky not to concede there.

Basically today just bought back the memories of the "dark days".

We were bound to have a relapse eventually. Lets hope a rot isn't allowed to set in this time.

We've been mediocre for a while now. Won only 4 of our last 10 games which is mid table form.

Top 4 is out of reach as we wont buy this month and Chelsea will. Id take Europa League if offered now

[Niall_Quinn]

4th is between us and chelski

Nah. But if it does turn out that way we are 5th for sure.

[Cripps_orig]

Yes, but am sure Squillacci entering the field of play encouraged Fulham not to settle for just a point and go all out for 3! Anyways - it's done. Squillacci is the worst defender in our squad and our squad contains some pretty rubbish playersI think taking off the only players their defenders are shit scared of did that

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Chesney fucked up at 0-1 as well, Senderos flicked a header on to an open goal but it floated just wide. Very lucky not to concede there.

Basically today just bought back the memories of the "dark days".

We were bound to have a relapse eventually. Lets hope a rot isn't allowed to set in this time.

Chesney whilst still a quality keeper, he needs competition, to show he can be dropped if he makes mistakes. right now he is feeling as if he will start no matter how he plays which can't be a good thing.

do we need to sign a GK this window?

[Cripps_orig]

Chesney whilst still a quality keeper, he needs competition, to show he can be dropped if he makes mistakes. right now he is feeling as if he will start no matter how he plays which can't be a good thing.

do we need to sign a GK this window?We needed to sign one for some time.

At first to be our number one but fair play to Sjkdshfkjfhny, as shit as he was today is our number 1 but he has no competition and hes in a comfort zome which isnt good.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Precisely, that's why we should have persisted and played him every game.

True, and tbf to the lad he was under so much pressure on him at Arsenal.

Maybe PHW wanted a double cheeseburger and thats why he was sold to fund it.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think taking off the only players their defenders are shit scared of did that

We were very fortunate not to be 2-1 down with our "scary" players on the pitch.

[Letters]

do we need to sign a GK this window?

No. Least of our worries.

[Cripps_orig]

We were very fortunate not to be 2-1 down with our "scary" players on the pitch.I know you refuse to say anything good about Theo even when he plays well like against your precious Chelsea and made your beloved Terry and Cole look like muppets and fair enough he was poor today but with him on the pitch, Fulham kept players back, they even had 3 on him at one time. With him off, those 3 were free to go forward with no pressure to defend cos RVP was shite and Yoss non existent.

Same on the other side with Gervinho.

Poor games but they keep opposing players from having free reign at our defence and clown of a keeper.

If you cant see that and i think you can but wouldnt admit it which is fair enough cos WUMs never do then theres no hope

[Marc Overmars]

Theo and Gervinho may have provided an 'out' ball but lets be honest, we didn't turn up for the 2nd half and Fulham were pretty relentless in putting us to the sword, the game was turned well before the subs were made.

We were outplayed today, simple as that.

[Niall_Quinn]

well like against your precious Chelsea and made your beloved Terry and Cole look like muppets

Lol, drugs are evil.

[Cripps_orig]

Theo and Gervinho may have provided an 'out' ball but lets be honest, we didn't turn up for the 2nd half and Fulham were pretty relentless in putting us to the sword, the game was turned well before the subs were made.

We were outplayed today, simple as that.

I dont disagree but with the wide players on, we didnt look that troubled. Its only when they went off and Fulham could afford to have players go up did we look like conceding and with an inept keeper and an unlucky goal, we did twice

[Power n Glory]

Theo and Gervinho may have provided an 'out' ball but lets be honest, we didn't turn up for the 2nd half and Fulham were pretty relentless in putting us to the sword, the game was turned well before the subs were made.

We were outplayed today, simple as that.

The game took a turn for the worst when they came off an it was a one sided affair from then on.

[Letters]

Theo HAS been effective in some games this year, the problem is he's just not consistent. He doesn't do it anywhere near often enough and while he's still fairly young he's getting to the age where he should be delivering more.
I'm starting to think he's just not up to it at this level.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We needed to sign one for some time.

At first to be our number one but fair play to Sjkdshfkjfhny, as shit as he was today is our number 1 but he has no competition and hes in a comfort zome which isnt good.

Reminds me of how Clichy used be the same.

tbf to the keeper he has not played with his normal back for for ages he is playing with diffrent ones each week now.

[Niall_Quinn]

I dont disagree but with the wide players on, we didnt look that troubled. Its only when they went off and Fulham could afford to have players go up did we look like conceding and with an inept keeper and an unlucky goal, we did twice

So Chesney is inept, Theo and Gerv being substituted lost us the match and I'm a WUM? Correct? Do you think we still would have lost had we been 3-0 up at half time, which we would have been if we had half competent wingers playing today? This pair couldn't cross, couldn't shoot, couldn't pass but their pace alone would have been enough to get us 3 points?

What really would have got us 3 points was our forward line scoring a few goals. I think we all agree RvP is allowed the odd game without performing miracles. But isn't it high time the two guys in clown shoes chipped in? That's what they get paid for, isn't it? If they do then I'll say they played well. But unlike yourself, I'm not going to defend them when they play like they have been doing over recent weeks and in Theo's case, months. And if we need a keeper to give Ches some competition, surely we are in desperate need of somebody to give Walnut at least some incentive to learn the basics?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

The game took a turn for the worst when they came off an it was a one sided affair from then on.

Arshavin should have started and Gev should have come off the bench today, at least we would have had pace in the last 20 mins or so.

[Cripps_orig]

So Chesney is inept, Theo and Gerv being substituted lost us the match and I'm a WUM? Correct? Do you think we still would have lost had we been 3-0 up at half time, which we would have been if we had half competent wingers playing today? This pair couldn't cross, couldn't shoot, couldn't pass but their pace alone would have been enough to get us 3 points?

What really would have got us 3 points was our forward line scoring a few goals. I think we all agree RvP is allowed the odd game without performing miracles. But isn't it high time the two guys in clown shoes chipped in? That's what they get paid for, isn't it? If they do then I'll say they played well. But unlike yourself, I'm not going to defend them when they play like they have been doing over recent weeks and in Theo's case, months. And if we need a keeper to give Ches some competition, surely we are in desperate need of somebody to give Walnut at least some incentive to learn the basics?Correct

[Niall_Quinn]

Correct

And if Walnut isn't capable of learning the basics, then what? Play him anyway because he can run fast?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So Chesney is inept, Theo and Gerv being substituted lost us the match and I'm a WUM? Correct? Do you think we still would have lost had we been 3-0 up at half time, which we would have been if we had half competent wingers playing today? This pair couldn't cross, couldn't shoot, couldn't pass but their pace alone would have been enough to get us 3 points?

What really would have got us 3 points was our forward line scoring a few goals. I think we all agree RvP is allowed the odd game without performing miracles. But isn't it high time the two guys in clown shoes chipped in? That's what they get paid for, isn't it? If they do then I'll say they played well. But unlike yourself, I'm not going to defend them when they play like they have been doing over recent weeks and in Theo's case, months. And if we need a keeper to give Ches some competition, surely we are in desperate need of somebody to give Walnut at least some incentive to learn the basics?

Well if Henry coming back to the club can't inspire him (his hero) then nothing ever will/

[Niall_Quinn]

Well if Henry coming back to the club can't inspire him (his hero) then nothing ever will/

Henry's been at the club for a month and Theo is getting worse every game.

[Cripps_orig]

Henry's been at the club for a month and Theo is getting worse every game.So its all Henrys fault. What a cunt

[Niall_Quinn]

So its all Henrys fault. What a cunt

It's everybody's fault, bar Theo's.

[Power n Glory]

So Chesney is inept, Theo and Gerv being substituted lost us the match and I'm a WUM? Correct? Do you think we still would have lost had we been 3-0 up at half time, which we would have been if we had half competent wingers playing today? This pair couldn't cross, couldn't shoot, couldn't pass but their pace alone would have been enough to get us 3 points?

What really would have got us 3 points was our forward line scoring a few goals. I think we all agree RvP is allowed the odd game without performing miracles. But isn't it high time the two guys in clown shoes chipped in? That's what they get paid for, isn't it? If they do then I'll say they played well. But unlike yourself, I'm not going to defend them when they play like they have been doing over recent weeks and in Theo's case, months. And if we need a keeper to give Ches some competition, surely we are in desperate need of somebody to give Walnut at least some incentive to learn the basics?

How can you say they cost us the game when Rosicky and Yossi came on? If Gerv and Walcott are that crap, how comes these two could do no better? What went wrong? We were in a winning position. Yossi and Rosicky are probably better technical players than the pair of them, so what went wrong? We were still a goal up but the game went south for some reason.

[Cripps_orig]

How can you say they cost us the game when Rosicky and Yossi came on? If Gerv and Walcott are that crap, how comes these two could do no better? What went wrong? We were in a winning position. Yossi and Rosicky are probably better technical players than the pair of them, so what went wrong? We were still a goal up but the game went south for some reason.Stop speaking sense.

[Master Splinter]

Going by the fact that this thread is longer than all our victory threads put together, I'm assuming the WUMs are out in force?

[Niall_Quinn]

How can you say they cost us the game when Rosicky and Yossi came on? If Gerv and Walcott are that crap, how comes these two could do no better? What went wrong? We were in a winning position. Yossi and Rosicky are probably better technical players than the pair of them, so what went wrong? We were still a goal up but the game went south for some reason.

We were shit for the entire second half, Theo and Gerv were shit for the entire match and failed again to deliver what they are supposed to deliver. I agree, if we could have brought a proper threat off the bench it may have been different. But that's another issue best discussed with the board and their ongoing priorities.

[Cripps_orig]

Going by the fact that this thread is longer than all our victory threads put together, I'm assuming the WUMs are out in force?Usual "Theo is shite. Gervinho does f all. Sksajhsdkjhny cant be blamed cos its all Theos fault. Theo started the war, he gave birth to hitler etc" nonsense from the WUMs so yup they are out in force

[Olivier's xmas twist]

How can you say they cost us the game when Rosicky and Yossi came on? If Gerv and Walcott are that crap, how comes these two could do no better? What went wrong? We were in a winning position. Yossi and Rosicky are probably better technical players than the pair of them, so what went wrong? We were still a goal up but the game went south for some reason.

NQ has a point it Gev and theo were not so wasteful we could have been 3-0 up at HT. I love the way Gev plays, but have to agree with ACH right now he should not be starting, problem is we have no one better.

Had we had a Hazard and a Benzema we had walked that game easy.

[Cripps_orig]

We were shit for the entire second half, Theo and Gerv were shit for the entire match and failed again to deliver what they are supposed to deliver. I agree, if we could have brought a proper threat off the bench it may have been different. But that's another issue best discussed with the board and their ongoing priorities.How do you explain Fulham not looking like scoring when we had them 2 on and as soon as they are off, their full backs have free reign to join in with attacks and put more pressure on us? Also the board? :lol:

This is all Wenger

[Master Splinter]

Usual nonsense from the WUM so yup I am out in force

Expected as much.

[Niall_Quinn]

Usual "Theo is shite. Gervinho does f all. Sksajhsdkjhny cant be blamed cos its all Theos fault. Theo started the war, he gave birth to hitler etc" nonsense from the WUMs so yup they are out in force

Nobody has claimed Ches was blameless with the goal, but your argument is he's "inept". Theo has been playing shit for months. Gerv has gone off the boil and couldn't hit the side of a barn from 2 yards if his life depended on it. We rely on RvP to score all our goals because the other two aren't up to it. These are just the facts.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Koscielny has become the leader of the defence. Quite an ascent. Genuinely has been very good for a while now. Positively, I can't see it being like Djourou's mental couple of months last year. Kos looks assured in everything he does.

[Cripps_orig]

Expected as much.Well no but thanks for trying

[Olivier's xmas twist]

How do you explain Fulham not looking like scoring when we had them 2 on and as soon as they are off, their full backs have free reign to join in with attacks and put more pressure on us? Also the board? :lol:

This is all Wenger

Had they put their chances away things would have been diffrent. tbf the ref was a cunt Gev should have had a pen and John arner was allowed to foul theo.

[Cripps_orig]

Nobody has claimed Ches was blameless with the goal, but your argument is he's "inept". Theo has been playing shit for months. Gerv has gone off the boil and couldn't hit the side of a barn from 2 yards if his life depended on it. We rely on RvP to score all our goals because the other two aren't up to it. These are just the facts.Im not a big Chesney fan. Theres always a mistake in him and his cockiness off the pitch is coming back to haunt him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Nobody has claimed Ches was blameless with the goal, but your argument is he's "inept". Theo has been playing shit for months. Gerv has gone off the boil and couldn't hit the side of a barn from 2 yards if his life depended on it. We rely on RvP to score all our goals because the other two aren't up to it. These are just the facts.

Stop talking sense

[Niall_Quinn]

How do you explain Fulham not looking like scoring when we had them 2 on and as soon as they are off, their full backs have free reign to join in with attacks and put more pressure on us? Also the board? :lol:

This is all Wenger

I don't have to explain it because that's not the case. We were just as crap in the second half when Theo and Gervinho were on the pitch. A few people (myself included) mentioned before kick-off we had nothing on the bench, so no surprise we couldn't change the game with the subs. As for the board thing, that goes back to some people continuing to claim that Wenger runs the club I suppose. But we all know that's not how it works in the real world. Fun argument, but fantasy.

[Cripps_orig]

Like i said, i can see why the Gervinho foul wasnt given. I didnt think it was a foul either and i usually go with my first instinct. Yes seeing the replays at a certain angle suggest its a penalty but it was impossible for the referee to see that and he has one look at it.

He didnt have the best of games but hes not the one who chucked one in. That was an inept keeper and hes not the one who took off the only attacking threat we had.

[Power n Glory]

We were shit for the entire second half, Theo and Gerv were shit for the entire match and failed again to deliver what they are supposed to deliver. I agree, if we could have brought a proper threat off the bench it may have been different. But that's another issue best discussed with the board and their ongoing priorities.

It has nothing to do with the Board. If you're saying Gerv and Theo were that crap, Rosicky and Yossi should have helped us get the 3 points. Why didn't they? Technically, they are better players. Right?

Wenger also had the Ox on the bench, so why not bring him on. We've bought Park who can play out wide as well, where is he? Arshavin was on the bench as well. Wenger had attacking options and over the past few weeks we've seen off games like this. We haven't lost them. Bad subs, the sending off and poor goalkeeping cost us in the end. Gerv and Theo need to sort their game out but we had problem all over the pitch today. But Wenger made a tactical mistake with those subs. We could have seen this game out 1-0.

[Cripps_orig]

I don't have to explain it because that's not the case. We were just as crap in the second half when Theo and Gervinho were on the pitch. A few people (myself included) mentioned before kick-off we had nothing on the bench, so no surprise we couldn't change the game with the subs. As for the board thing, that goes back to some people continuing to claim that Wenger runs the club I suppose. But we all know that's not how it works in the real world. Fun argument, but fantasy.Well that is the case cos it was obvious to anyone who watched the game. However it doesnt go with your Theo bashing hence you make up all the shit which admittedly is amusing.

And Wenger runs the team and the team is where the problem is

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Like i said, i can see why the Gervinho foul wasnt given. I didnt think it was a foul either and i usually go with my first instinct. Yes seeing the replays at a certain angle suggest its a penalty but it was impossible for the referee to see that and he has one look at it.

He didnt have the best of games but hes not the one who chucked one in. That was an inept keeper and hes not the one who took off the only attacking threat we had.

But it was a clear foul

[Power n Glory]

I don't have to explain it because that's not the case. We were just as crap in the second half when Theo and Gervinho were on the pitch. A few people (myself included) mentioned before kick-off we had nothing on the bench, so no surprise we couldn't change the game with the subs. As for the board thing, that goes back to some people continuing to claim that Wenger runs the club I suppose. But we all know that's not how it works in the real world. Fun argument, but fantasy.

In an attempt to change things from the bench, Wenger turned the tie in Fulham's favour. All your focus is on Theo an Gervinho and you fail to mention Ramsey and Arteta. Just as bad IMO. Part of the reason why we were overrun.

[Cripps_orig]

But it was a clear foulI didnt think it was and neither did posters on the match thread as well as the ref.

We all got a 2nd look at it. The ref didnt.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I didnt think it was and neither did posters on the match thread as well as the ref.

We all got a 2nd look at it. The ref didnt.

Well i did, le tiss did, the replays showed he got his leg. If that was at the other end you know it would have been given.

[Letters]

He didnt have the best of games but hes not the one who chucked one in. That was an inept keeper

Bullshit. If you're going to call him inept for that then you have to call Walcott inpet for a string of ineffective performances.
Chesney has, in general, been a good 'keeper for us. He made a mistake today, a few actually. He also made some good saves before that to keep us ahead. To say that overall he's inept is either idiotic or just plain WUMming.

[Cripps_orig]

Well i did, le tiss did, the replays showed he got his leg. If that was at the other end you know it would have been given.

After the replay maybe but the referee doesnt have the benefit of that.

Also speaking of which, whats with Wenger saying we dont get penalties? Why wouldnt we?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

After the replay maybe but the referee doesnt have the benefit of that.

Also speaking of which, whats with Wenger saying we dont get penalties? Why wouldnt we?

Well lets see in the last 3 or 4 games we have at least had 2 pens turned down in each game.

[Cripps_orig]

Bullshit. If you're going to call him inept for that then you have to call Walcott inpet for a string of ineffective performances.
Chesney has, in general, been a good 'keeper for us. He made a mistake today, a few actually. He also made some good saves before that to keep us ahead. To say that overall he's inept is either idiotic or just plain WUMming.Not just for that. Hes always got a mistake in him. Just cos not every mistake leads to a goal doesnt mean its not a mistake and today its cost us. Hes a good keeper but id prefer a world class keeper in. Maybe not this month as Chesney will be fine til the end of the season but in the summer, the team needs a major overhaul. Thats been said a few times over the years

[Cripps_orig]

Well lets see in the last 3 or 4 games we have at least had 2 pens turned down in each game.Maybe but what im asking is does Wenger think theres a conspiracy against us?

[Letters]

Not just for that. Hes always got a mistake in him.

So does every player on the pitch. Is he world class? Well no, but I've seen far 'better' keepers this season make far worse mistakes than Chesney's today. He isn't inept.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not just for that. Hes always got a mistake in him. Just cos not every mistake leads to a goal doesnt mean its not a mistake and today its cost us. Hes a good keeper but id prefer a world class keeper in. Maybe not this month as Chesney will be fine til the end of the season but in the summer, the team needs a major overhaul. Thats been said a few times over the years

Well playing without you 1st choice back 4 you will. even Cech makes mistakes, your being unfair on chesney tbf. If we never had so many players in defence missing we'd be ok.


Maybe but what im asking is does Wenger think theres a conspiracy against us?

Doesn't he always lol

[Cripps_orig]

Just sounds like sour grapes.

Oh and Cech is shite.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bad subs, the sending off and poor goalkeeping cost us in the end.

Wouldn't argue with that. I'm not saying the subs were good, I'm arguing against the fact taking Theo and Gervinho off cost us the match. I don't see that at all. I can see how they cost us goals by fucking up everything they did in the final third today though and it's not the first time they have made life extremely difficult for us by fucking up. Walcott was on until the 65th minute and did nothing, Gervinho until the 75th and did nothing. Yes they had some possession, but then again so did Rosicky. But none of them used it to any effect so we left it up to a lottery again because (surpise, surprise) we couldn't finish the opponent off. Ox wasn't even on the bench today. No idea why he's not playing. Same goes for Park. They must either be woeful in training or else we have some sort of seniority thing going on that is hurting the club (in which case I'd agree Wenger is at fault). Rosicky was crap, the well past-it Benayoun invisible, Squillaci as shite as we'd expect. But of course if you settle for cheap crap and persist with has-beens then you don't get much on match day.

Luck plays a part too. Finally we get the semblance of a solid defence and every last fucker in the back line gets injured forever. Even so, the defence are still fifty times better than the forwards this year and are keeping us in games we should have already won easily more times than not. But if we're firing blanks up front then eventually we'll pay the price somewhere along the line regardless of how well we are defending. Like today.

[Cripps_orig]

Tbf Theo did set up Ramsey for a great chance in the first half in that mad few seconds where Stockdale made 2 great saves.

Only good thing he did today admittedly

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

gotta agree with the people saying if we had decent wingers we would have won this game. and perhaps thats the biggest problem at the moment, the fact we rely heavily on rvp for goals and when he's not on form we dont win.

imagine if we had goetze and mata on either wing. tbf you dont even need both just either would do. someone who can put a fucking decent cross in instead of a hopeless one. jesus christ.

[AKBapologist]

Didn't djouruo who had practically been baby sitted by theo the entire match only get his yellows after walcott came off? I think Riise didn't go back into his own half either as he was more than able to keep up with the subs.

Not saying Theo wasn't shocking offensively and that we should have had world class opens on the bench, but we lost that match the moment theo and gervinho came off.

[Cripps_orig]

Didn't djouruo who had practically been baby sitted by theo the entire match only get his yellows after walcott came off? I think Riise didn't go back into his own half either as he was more than able to keep up with the subs.

Not saying Theo wasn't shocking offensively and that we should have had world class opens on the bench, but we lost that match the moment theo and gervinho came off.Pretty much. Could have done with Theo after Djo was sent off

[Power n Glory]

Didn't djouruo who had practically been baby sitted by theo the entire match only get his yellows after walcott came off? I think Riise didn't go back into his own half either as he was more than able to keep up with the subs.

Not saying Theo wasn't shocking offensively and that we should have had world class opens on the bench, but we lost that match the moment theo and gervinho came off.

And that's what people are missing. The shape of the squad was disrupted.

Rosicky had a free role when he came on and was drifting all over the place. It left our wingbacks exposed and they're not natural wingbacks. Both Yossi and Rosicky are slow as well.

[Niall_Quinn]

Didn't djouruo who had practically been baby sitted by theo the entire match only get his yellows after walcott came off? I think Riise didn't go back into his own half either as he was more than able to keep up with the subs.

Not saying Theo wasn't shocking offensively and that we should have had world class opens on the bench, but we lost that match the moment theo and gervinho came off.

If that theory is true then we're in very serious trouble as a club. It means we need the pace of our wingers for defensive purposes even though they offer zero threat up front and even against mid table teams. Which means we genuinely have constructed a team where we rely on a single player to score all the goals. If that's the case it's only a matter of time before we plunge down the league because RvP can't keep up this scoring rate.

[Power n Glory]

gotta agree with the people saying if we had decent wingers we would have won this game. and perhaps thats the biggest problem at the moment, the fact we rely heavily on rvp for goals and when he's not on form we dont win.

imagine if we had goetze and mata on either wing. tbf you dont even need both just either would do. someone who can put a fucking decent cross in instead of a hopeless one. jesus christ.

But we were winning the game. 1-0 to the Arsenal was coming back in style.

[Niall_Quinn]

And that's what people are missing. The shape of the squad was disrupted.

Rosicky had a free role when he came on and was drifting all over the place. It left our wingbacks exposed and they're not natural wingbacks. Both Yossi and Rosicky are slow as well.

The free role for Rosicky was strange, but it's not like Fulham didn't have several good chances which they should have scored before Theo went off. It was a bad performance today. A better team than Fulham would have had it wrapped up much earlier because with RvP turning in an average performance we weren't getting goals from anywhere else and our defence is bare bones now.

[Niall_Quinn]

But we were winning the game. 1-0 to the Arsenal was coming back in style.

Nah, no team can carry 200 million injuries in defence.

[Syn]

Absolute bollocks that the taking Theo and gerv off cost us the game. Remember the hangeland and Dempsey chances that shouldve been put away moments before? We were getting battered even with them on the pitch. We definitely needed an outlet but they weren't it.

[Maestro]

Imagine the mods are the board, and GW is the Emirates Stadium!

Sellout crowd, today is payday.

[Niall_Quinn]

Imagine the mods are the board, and GW is the Emirates Stadium!

Sellout crowd, today is payday.

Sack the board and I want to move back to the old stadium!

[Power n Glory]

If that theory is true then we're in very serious trouble as a club. It means we need the pace of our wingers for defensive purposes even though they offer zero threat up front and even against mid table teams. Which means we genuinely have constructed a team where we rely on a single player to score all the goals. If that's the case it's only a matter of time before we plunge down the league because RvP can't keep up this scoring rate.

Attack has always been our best form of defence and whenever a team get on top of us like that we always end up conceding. This is nothing. It has happened many times before. Wenger did it for that 4-4 spurs game. Took off our attackers and the rest was history.

[Niall_Quinn]

Attack has always been our best form of defence and whenever a team get on top of us like that we always end up conceding. This is nothing. It has happened many times before. Wenger did it for that 4-4 spurs game. Took off our attackers and the rest was history.

So if Theo had stayed on an wasted a few more crossing opportunities and run headlong into a few more defenders we would have held out for a win?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Absolute bollocks that the taking Theo and gerv off cost us the game. Remember the hangeland and Dempsey chances that shouldve been put away moments before? We were getting battered even with them on the pitch. We definitely needed an outlet but they weren't it.

:gp: Had those 2 not squandered their chances they would have won that game. What lost us the game was not have any game changers on the bench.

[notwist]

I'm one of those who only posts after a bad result, so in lieu of not posting for about 2 months, congrats to Arsene etc for turning the season around. I was one of those back in September who said he should go and I've been proved wrong - very pleased to say that.

But today.....we lost the game in the first half. Theo is actually bloody useless. Am I allowed to say that? RVP must be tearing his hair out. What reason can he have to stick around if he is surrounded by players like Walcott? If you strip away everything that comes with the Theo package and just look at him as a footballer.....well, he's crap and that's it. What's the point of pretending any more?

[Niall_Quinn]

:gp: Had those 2 not squandered their chances they would have won that game. What lost us the game was not have any game changers on the bench.

That's about it. We had four players, two starters, two subs, who accomplished nothing over 90 minutes. Plus a midfield that looked knackered, a defence held together by sticky tape and a Chesney off-day. We ran out of steam, ran out of ideas, ran headlong into one too many defenders and lost. Sucks. A complete transformation required for the next PL game. If we can't beat Swansea and beat them well then let's call it a day.

[WengerISaLizard]

http://p.twimg.com/AiHBMUICQAEYW2D.jpg:large

welcome back the goal king, we need some serious finishing help :(

[Cripps_orig]

I'm one of those who only posts after a bad result, so in lieu of not posting for about 2 months, congrats to Arsene etc for turning the season around. I was one of those back in September who said he should go and I've been proved wrong - very pleased to say that.

But today.....we lost the game in the first half. Theo is actually bloody useless. Am I allowed to say that? RVP must be tearing his hair out. What reason can he have to stick around if he is surrounded by players like Walcott? If you strip away everything that comes with the Theo package and just look at him as a footballer.....well, he's crap and that's it. What's the point of pretending any more?Is this the same RVP who has praised Theo time and time again for assisting him time and time again?

[Niall_Quinn]

http://p.twimg.com/AiHBMUICQAEYW2D.jpg:large

welcome back the goal king, we need some serious finishing help :(

If anyone can get the ball to him in the first place. I imagine Henry will break his face if he decides to give Theo a stare after every fuck up.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is this the same RVP who has praised Theo time and time again for assisting him time and time again?

Like RvP is going to come out and proclaim Theo is shit. Usually that sort of talk is reserved for players who need a confidence boost. So RvP's words and the intervention of a brain surgeon might see Theo hit some form.

[Cripps_orig]

Like RvP is going to come out and proclaim Theo is shit. Usually that sort of talk is reserved for players who need a confidence boost. So RvP's words and the intervention of a brain surgeon might see Theo hit some form.And all those assists are made up too i assume?

:lol:

This Theo bashing is quality. Ridiculous but quality. Not quite as Zimm v Ade level yet but in time who knows

[WengerISaLizard]

If anyone can get the ball to him in the first place. I imagine Henry will break his face if he decides to give Theo a stare after every fuck up.

he put up with adebayor, so his experienced with fuck ups, but he is older....

[Olivier's xmas twist]

That's about it. We had four players, two starters, two subs, who accomplished nothing over 90 minutes. Plus a midfield that looked knackered, a defence held together by sticky tape and a Chesney off-day. We ran out of steam, ran out of ideas, ran headlong into one too many defenders and lost. Sucks. A complete transformation required for the next PL game. If we can't beat Swansea and beat them well then let's call it a day.

Yep Benzema and Goteze please