What really grinds your gears?

[GP]

You know what really grinds my gears? When people use words that aren't really words.

Addicting. You mean 'addictive' you dumb motherfucker.

[Master Splinter]

You know you've set your future posts up for thorough inspection now?

Insultive was used by someone here. Not sure if it's widespread though. :lol:

The overuse and absolute misuse (and abuse) of words like literally, phenomenal and epic in today's media and society is enough to make me feel like the repressed Ned Flanders.

Even though tbh is a GW staple, idiots (well, footballers) using it in every sentence of speech is actually quite annoying.

Also, most Americanisms are evil.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Lemons.

Seriously, who invented them?

Utter shit.

[Syn]

Mentioned it quite a few times in similar threads - but that is because it annoys me a disproportionate amount - unimpeccable ( :whistle: ) manners.

I stopped at a zebra crossing today. A bunch of tourists crossed. Nobody signalled to thank me. All it takes is a nod of the head or a quick wave of the hand. Nothing. I was tempted to run them over. With my bicycle.

Sort it out, England.

[Letters]

People who walk slowly.

Get.
The hell.
Out of my way.

[the easter bunnie]

i put some sand in my mums previa oil hole like they did on the A-team once - murdock is my favourite. mummy wasn't very happy but I don't think she new it was me as I wiped all the oil off my hands on to some clean towels. She found out when I put a banana up her exhaust pipe like will smith did in Beverly Hills Cop as I got a burny boo boo. has anyone every seen a monkey feather.

[GP]

Also, most Americanisms are evil.

I know right?

Go figure.

[GP]

Lemons.

Seriously, who invented them?

Utter shit.

What about the combustible lemons?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What about the combustible lemons?

Burn it down! Burning people. He says what we're all thinking.

[Flavs]

Mentioned it quite a few times in similar threads - but that is because it annoys me a disproportionate amount - unimpeccable ( :whistle: ) manners.

I stopped at a zebra crossing today. A bunch of tourists crossed. Nobody signalled to thank me. All it takes is a nod of the head or a quick wave of the hand. Nothing. I was tempted to run them over. With my bicycle.

Sort it out, England.

Asians wise-asses on bicycles

[Xhaka Can’t]

Transfer threads.

[Coney]

Pikey canucks.

[V-Pig]

You know what really grinds my gears? When people use words that aren't really words.

Addicting. You mean 'addictive' you dumb motherfucker.


Yes, yes, oh god yes.

[Niall_Quinn]

Mentioned it quite a few times in similar threads - but that is because it annoys me a disproportionate amount - unimpeccable ( :whistle: ) manners.

I stopped at a zebra crossing today. A bunch of tourists crossed. Nobody signalled to thank me. All it takes is a nod of the head or a quick wave of the hand. Nothing. I was tempted to run them over. With my bicycle.

Sort it out, England.

Cyclists - fucking hate the tree hugging bastards and wish they were all run over with a steamroller. Obviously I don't mean you.

[Coney]

Mentioned it quite a few times in similar threads - but that is because it annoys me a disproportionate amount - unimpeccable ( :whistle: ) manners.

I stopped at a zebra crossing today. A bunch of tourists crossed. Nobody signalled to thank me. All it takes is a nod of the head or a quick wave of the hand. Nothing. I was tempted to run them over. With my bicycle.

Sort it out, England.

Why should they thank you? It is their right of way. Do you thank everyone waiting at a side road when you drive down the road which is your right of way? Of course not. You thank someone who gives way to you when they don't have to.

[Syn]

Why should they thank you? It is their right of way. Do you thank everyone waiting at a side road when you drive down the road which is your right of way? Of course not. You thank someone who gives way to you when they don't have to.

We're not talking in terms of what people "should" do - as I say, it's about courtesy. They have caused me to stop and so a quick nod of the head or wave would be good courtesy. And yes, I put a hand up when a car lets me pass even if the obstruction is on his side.

By your logic, what's the point thanking the cashier when they give you change? They're not giving you your change voluntarily, they'd have to do it anyway. A quick nod and a smile. That's all I'm asking for. I'll nod back. I'm happy to stop. They're happy to walk. Britain is a better, friendlier place.

[Xhaka Can’t]

We're not talking in terms of what people "should" do - as I say, it's about courtesy. They have caused me to stop and so a quick nod of the head or wave would be good courtesy. And yes, I put a hand up when a car lets me pass even if the obstruction is on his side.

By your logic, what's the point thanking the cashier when they give you change? They're not giving you your change voluntarily, they'd have to do it anyway. A quick nod and a smile. That's all I'm asking for. I'll nod back. I'm happy to stop. They're happy to walk. Britain is a better, friendlier place.

Thank-you for that post.

[V-Pig]

We're not talking in terms of what people "should" do - as I say, it's about courtesy. They have caused me to stop and so a quick nod of the head or wave would be good courtesy. And yes, I put a hand up when a car lets me pass even if the obstruction is on his side.

By your logic, what's the point thanking the cashier when they give you change? They're not giving you your change voluntarily, they'd have to do it anyway. A quick nod and a smile. That's all I'm asking for. I'll nod back. I'm happy to stop. They're happy to walk. Britain is a better, friendlier place.

Fucking pansy. We should all be biting each other's bollocks and spreading the misery of existence with a sad grimace and a heavy groin kick.

[Marc Overmars]

I always put my hand up whenever someone stops for me to cross the road, or when I'm driving and the other car has been obstructed and stopped for me. I don't even think about it really, it's just a reflex.

[Letters]

Why should they thank you?
Common courtesy?

[Letters]

Thank-you for that post.:rimshot:

[Xhaka Can’t]

:rimshot:

Thanks bud.

[Flavs]

I always put my hand up whenever someone stops for me to cross the road, or when I'm driving and the other car has been obstructed and stopped for me. I don't even think about it really, it's just a reflex.

That's because you are a decent human being, unlike those who don't do it and clearly should be raped to death

[Coney]

I always put my hand up whenever someone stops for me to cross the road, or when I'm driving and the other car has been obstructed and stopped for me. I don't even think about it really, it's just a reflex.

Oh - I sometimes do that but I don't see it is a requirement. The point I was trying to make is that a lot of drivers seem to assume that they have priority over pedestrians and that they are doing them a favour by not ignoring the pedestrian's right of way and just mowing them down - the thanks should not be 'thanks for not disobeying the highway code and slaughtering me in cold blood'.

Worse is on road junctions where cars seldom give way to pedestrians and if you exert your right of way, they go mental.

[Niall_Quinn]

MAINTENANCE NOTICE: Goonersweb will be unavailable for approximately 2 hours in the morning on Saturday 23rd June whilst we upgrade the forum.

This! It's a disgrace!

[LDG]

This! It's a disgrace!

It's a disgrace that you're up on a Saturday morning. More of a disgrace than your face, in fact.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's a disgrace that you're up on a Saturday morning. More of a disgrace than your face, in fact.

I won't be up on Saturday morning, so shows how much you know. But I COULD be, and that's the point. TPTB at GW don't care do they? They just go ahead and do their maintenance (yeah, suuuuuure it's maintenance, they would say that wouldn't they?)

[The Wengerbabies]

The phrase 'grinds your gears'

[Flavs]

The fact pretty girls still smile at me when i am taken and have 3 kids :cry:

[Letters]

The fact pretty girls still smile at me when i am taken and have 3 kids :cry:
That's a problem I don't have :cool:


:(

[Flavs]

:console:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

sitting down to eat and switching the tv on, the second i sit down the fucking tv adverts start

really pisses me off

[Coney]

The fact pretty girls still smile at me when i am taken and have 3 kids :cry:

They're not smiling at you - they're laughing at you.

[Letters]

They're not smiling at you - they're laughing at you.
Do they keep offering you their seat too?

[Coney]

Do they keep offering you their seat too?

What do you mean 'too' - is that what happens to you already?

[Coney]

sitting down to eat and switching the tv on, the second i sit down the fucking tv adverts start

really pisses me off

Once upon a time, when there were 3 channels - BBC1, BBC2 and ITV, the powers that be restricted ITV to a max of something like 7 minutes of advertising in any hour. Now we have 3 grillion channels of shite with no real control, they push out ads like there's no tomorrow. I didn't realise how big it was till I edited a couple of series I'd recorded to strip out the ads. Every 9-10 minutes, there was an ad break lasting 5 minutes. So instead of 7 minutes of ads per hour as in the 'good old days', it is now about 20 minutes an hour. So if you switch on the telly or change channels, 1 time in 3 you will hit adverts. No wonder most TV sucks the big one.

[Hump]

Once upon a time, when there were 3 channels - BBC1, BBC2 and ITV, the powers that be restricted ITV to a max of something like 7 minutes of advertising in any hour. Now we have 3 grillion channels of shite with no real control, they push out ads like there's no tomorrow. I didn't realise how big it was till I edited a couple of series I'd recorded to strip out the ads. Every 9-10 minutes, there was an ad break lasting 5 minutes. So instead of 7 minutes of ads per hour as in the 'good old days', it is now about 20 minutes an hour. So if you switch on the telly or change channels, 1 time in 3 you will hit adverts. No wonder most TV sucks the big one.But wasn't it your generation that loudly decried, back in the three channel era, that the ads were the best thing on TV? I wish you old farts would make your mind up.

[Letters]

If you channel hop on Sky the vast majority you turn to are on an advert break.
I really should cancel Sky, it is a load of crap really

<_<

[Coney]

But wasn't it your generation that loudly decried, back in the three channel era, that the ads were the best thing on TV? I wish you old farts would make your mind up.

Nope.

[Coney]

If you channel hop on Sky the vast majority you turn to are on an advert break.
I really should cancel Sky, it is a load of crap really

<_<

I did. The only thing worth having is the footy. The rest is unfettered shite. And shopping stuff - better lose it before SHE gets ideas. :good:

[Letters]

I think SHE would be up for getting rid of it actually!

[Coney]

I think SHE would be up for getting rid of it actually!

Sorted. Then, when there is a match on, she can't complain when you say "I'm going to the pub to watch the game".

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Apart from live sport, I record everything I want to watch. No more ads. :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Pretty much.

Sky+. :bow:

[Flavs]

Girls who look like they use a trowel to apply their makeup

[PGFC]

The fact pretty girls still smile at me when i am taken and have 3 kids :cry:


Girls who look like they use a trowel to apply their makeup

Which is it then? you can't have both you know :sulk:

[Coney]

Girls who look like they use a trowel to apply their makeup

Girls who should use a trowel to apply their makeup.

[Flavs]

Which is it then? you can't have both you know :sulk:

Sheet aint no pasty faced Joan Collins looking motherfucka smiling at me nigga

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pretty much.

Sky+. :bow:

:gp:

[Young Guns 11]

These Euros have reignited my pure hatred for Nani.

I just want to smush his crybaby face until he cries...like a baby.

[Flavs]

These Euros have reignited my pure hatred for Nani.

I just want to smush his crybaby face until he cries...like a baby.

this

[Master Splinter]

this

this

[Flavs]

this

:gp:

[PGFC]

The wind & the rain, you've made your point so now you can fuck the fuck off, ta :good:

[Coney]

this.rain = new Cloud();

[LDG]

People eating crunchy vegetable matter.

Carrot woman, who used to sit near me, nibbling away on endless crudites, has now left the company. Blessed relief for my ears and my sanity.

But fucking Apple Man has arrived.

Generally speaking, I can finish an apple in about 2 minutes. Big bites, much munch, nomnom.

This **** eats little nibbles. Knawing away like a demented hamster.

:angry:

[IBK]

The woman in front at me at Waitrose last night who bougght a 45p packet of mints with a debit card. :angry:

[Letters]

This **** eats little nibbles. Knawing away like a demented hamster.

:angry:
I do that with peanuts :cool:

nibblenibblenibble.

:d

[GP]

I do that with peanuts :cool:

nibblenibblenibble.

:d

You monster.

[LDG]

I do that with peanuts :cool:

nibblenibblenibble.

:d

How do you mean? Little bites out of one peanut?

[Letters]

How do you mean? Little bites out of one peanut?
Sometimes I crunch them. crunchcrunchcrunch.
Sometimes I gnaw them in little bits into a peanutty paste. Makes them last longer.


That's how I roll :cool:

[LDG]

However did it take you this long to find a lady? :o

[Coney]

How do you mean? Little bites out of one peanut?

You forget that while peanuts are small compared to us, for him it is like eating a melon.

[Letters]

</obvious>

[Flavs]

People who say PIN number

[Letters]

:lol:

Would you rather they said "PI number" or just "PIN"?

[Xhaka Can’t]

:lol:

Would you rather they said "PI number" or just "PIN"?

He'd rather you shut your little bitch mouth.

[Letters]

:crying:


*nibbles peanuts to comfort self*

[Flavs]

:lol:

Would you rather they said "PI number" or just "PIN"?

Just PIN :angry:

Also..fat people, seriously put down that pastry and get the fuck out my way. Also people who have fat kids should be jogged to death

[LDG]

Pedants.

Utter cunnys.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

He'd rather you shut your little bitch mouth.

:lol:

[Hump]

Pedants.Utter cunnies.There you are, I've corrected your grammatical mistake.

[Coney]

:crying:


*nibbles peanuts to comfort self*


*considers repeating the melon joke to annoy people*

[Coney]

There you are, I've corrected your grammatical mistake.


You are a cunning linguist.

[IBK]

You are a cunning linguist.

http://www.epicfail.com/2012/07/16/cunnilingus-win/

[MissHandbag]

Smelly people - one whiff of sun, 25 million whiffs of BO
Flip flops - keep your ugly feet to yourselves thanks
Smelly people in flip flops

[Hump]

Olympic pass wearing hangers on dining in Mayfair you look like twats and how's that helping the small business of the Newham. You're a bunch gold medal winning International Olympic ****s

[Flavs]

fat children

fat people in tight clothes

fat people

[Letters]

:(

[Flavs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_ElXYzFX_w&feature=BFa&list=FLh-NZQnbfSX8mjIB7tnyWHw

[GP]

Guys who wear slippers as shoes.

What up wit that?

[Marc Overmars]

Guys who wear slippers as shoes.

What up wit that?

Thats a thing?

[Cripps_orig]

Headaches

[GP]

Thats a thing?

I see guys wearing shit like this all the time.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0057WW392/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=11073169805&ref=asc_df_B0057WW392

Buy some shoes, douchbags

[Marc Overmars]

Ah right yeah, I think they're called Espadrilles (sp?).

Pretty much the standard footwear for kids these days who want to be seen as cool.

[GP]

Look at them though, they are slippers.

[Flavs]

Not being able to see images on here :angry:

[Coney]

I see guys wearing shit like this all the time.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0057WW392/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=11073169805&ref=asc_df_B0057WW392

Buy some shoes, douchbags

And they cost over 30 quid.

Tossers :pal:

[Coney]

People who stop at every roundabout even though there is nothing coming. Think more than 2 feet ahead, you thick ****s.

[Hump]

Those olympic hosts in their stupid uniforms. Coming through Waterloo last night I dropped me just finished can of Bud on the floor and not one of the ****s moved to pick it up. What must the visitors to London think of us when they see these hosts not tidying up our great city. Lazy fuckers the lot of them

[The Wengerbabies]

Video adverts before Youtube videos.

Sometimes they're even full songs ffs.

[Cripps_orig]

Get Ad blocker

[Flavs]

Not knowing that the 100m final was on and then when i realised finding out Bolt had just won anyway

Yawn

[The Wengerbabies]

Having £60 credit on my iTunes account.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Cash points beeping at night, why do people need to know im talking money out, at night.

When you'vs lost something and ask for help and people say "It will be in the last place you look" Well duh after i find it, im not going to keep looking am i.

Or the "Where did you have it last" when you loose something.

[GP]

You know what really grinds my gears?

People who self-censor.

They are all f*cking c*nts.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

- when you can't find the droids your looking for

- when the only shirt left in the wardrobe requires cufflinks and you can't find any.

- no seats left on the train

- when you wake up exactly the time your meant to get up for work and there is no time to lay half awake in bed comfortably

- when you go to get a sandwich at lunch and they only have crap like mixed cheese and onion left on the shelf

- the term 110%

- text speech (including both abbreviations and acronyms)

- the way every scandal political or otherwise is given the suffix gate for no logical reason

- emollient cream that just dries your skin out even more

- breaking the button or clasp or a pair of trousers you've only recently bought

- using a urinal and having so much on your mind that you have to use extreme willpower just to make yourself piss

- when people seem to think your unaware that your shoe laces are untied (it's not my fault they don't want to stay tied i'm not an expert knot tier

- testicles itching at the most inconvenient moment

- when a bit of food gets trapped in between your teeth and will not budge for anything

- people moving infuriatingly slowly at Arsenal Tube station when the match is due to kick off in 25 minutes

- Drayton Park never open on match days

- People who think Boris Johnson should be prime-minister because he's "well funny"

- When you can't think of anything more off the top of your head despite feeling that you had countless more examples

[GP]

Baby bores.

Yes, I know you've got kids, you don't need to post on facebook about them 37 times a day.

And no, I don't want to see 200 identical photos of them.

[PGFC]

Online quizzes

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

http://tvnewsroom.co.uk/images/news-staff/dharmesh-sheth/dharmesh-sheth-Image-005.jpg

[WMUG]

Realising what you should've said 10 minutes after you should've said it.

Ruined my chances there :doh:

[GP]

Hipsters who play the ukelele

[WMUG]

What about regular people who play the ukulele?

[GP]

What about regular people who play the ukulele?

No such thing.

[GP]

People who put underscores in their username.

:lol: what's the point?

[PGFC]

C_unts :good:

[Master Splinter]

And c*nts.

[Niall_Quinn]

People who put underscores in their username.

:lol: what's the point?

Isn't it obvious? Usernames with spaces instead of underscores can get truncated if they pass through an IT system that doesn't properly encode the space in accordance with RFC 1738 of the Internet Engineering Task Force. Everyone knows that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wait a minute! WTF! Did a mod change my user name from Horrible_Noisy_Cunt to Niall_Quinn without my permission?

That's BANG OUT OF ORDER!

[LDG]

Wait a minute! WTF! Did a mod change my user name from Horrible_Noisy_Cunt to Niall_Quinn without my permission?

That's BANG OUT OF ORDER!

:lol:




Can I have my name changed to L_D_G.

Ta.

[GP]

I'd like to be Arse_and_Wonga plz.

[Xhaka Can’t]

N_o

[Niall_Quinn]

Women drivers really grind my gears.

[Nayan]

when you spend three hours in the howling wind and rain on the top deck of an old whaling boat off Iceland and see no whales

[Niall_Quinn]

when you spend three hours in the howling wind and rain on the top deck of an old whaling boat off Iceland and see no whales

Exactly right. Happened to me twice last week.

[Niall_Quinn]

This cunt being let out of jail all the time instead of being killed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2409521/Jon-Venables-freed-James-Bulger-killer-secretly-released-jail-given-FOURTH-new-identity.html

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Breathy, acoustic cover versions of [usually 80s] songs on adverts. :banghead:

[Niall_Quinn]

Breathy, acoustic cover versions of [usually 80s] songs on adverts. :banghead:

Adverts, tbf.

[Letters]

This cunt being let out of jail all the time instead of being killed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2409521/Jon-Venables-freed-James-Bulger-killer-secretly-released-jail-given-FOURTH-new-identity.html
Tell you what grinds my gears.
The press bleating about how much criminals' protection costs when if they didn't keep bleating about it no-one would really know or care and they wouldn't need so much protection.

[PGFC]

People who drive in mist & fog with no lights, you're cunts and you know you are.

[Niall_Quinn]

Tell you what grinds my gears.
The press bleating about how much criminals' protection costs when if they didn't keep bleating about it no-one would really know or care and they wouldn't need so much protection.

There may be more to this than money. A bank robber would still be safely tucked inside, for example.

[Niall_Quinn]

People who drive in mist & fog with no lights, you're cunts and you know you are.

People who drive in clear weather with their fogs on because they think it makes their car look even cooler than it didn't in the first place.

[Marc Overmars]

Shit customer service.

[PGFC]

Shit customer service.

Fuck off, sir.

[Marc Overmars]

That's pretty much the impression I got from some bints at Carphone Warehouse yesterday, after I had the audacity to interrupt their conversation and ask about some contracts.

Although to be fair, when I worked in retail I was the same.

Kids. :lol:

Awful work shy ****s.

[PGFC]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23970933

See, cunts, the whole lot should be facing prosecution

[Nayan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23970933

See, cunts, the whole lot should be facing prosecution

harsh but fair

[Letters]

People who go to the theatre and talk through the performance.
Middle class or GTFO, tbh :fury:

[GP]

'He's behind you!'

[PGFC]

Munchkins.

[Nayan]

brummie accent.

awful

[Nayan]

Thats a thing?

http://www.styleintel.com/2011/09/spotlight-on-mens-velvet-slippers/

It is.
But it really shouldn't be

[Grebbo]

This cunt being let out of jail all the time instead of being killed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2409521/Jon-Venables-freed-James-Bulger-killer-secretly-released-jail-given-FOURTH-new-identity.html

I still cannot work out why Bulger's father hasn't killed this guy yet. He'd be easy enough to track down. I mean surely you'd make it your life's mission to cut this guy into pieces if he did that to your son? Brits have become too soft.

As for grinding gears....

Surely number 1 is people walking in pairs, or sometimes even three across, towards you on the pavement without even attempting to accommodate you when they see you walking towards them. Do they expect you to walk around them on the road or something? They then give the bemused look when you hold your ground and inevitably walk head on into them.

[Letters]

I still cannot work out why Bulger's father hasn't killed this guy yet. He'd be easy enough to track down. I mean surely you'd make it your life's mission to cut this guy into pieces if he did that to your son? Brits have become too soft.
Yeah. Cos then he'd be spending a fair chunk of his life in prison. That would be a brilliant idea.

:doh:

[Marc Overmars]

I remember we had big debate on old GW when the scumbag first reoffended.

The guy is rotten to the core and needs to be killed.

[Letters]

Even if he does, you can't have relatives or angry mobs randomly meting out vigilante justice as they see fit

[Marc Overmars]

Yes you can.

[Letters]

Can, but shouldn't. :good:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I think I played Devil's Advocate in that debate.

But fuck it, kill him.

[LDG]

Torture him.

Killing him gives him a way out.

Torture the fucker so it hurts. A lot.

[Grebbo]

Yeah. Cos then he'd be spending a fair chunk of his life in prison. That would be a brilliant idea.

:doh:

So what? If someone kills your son on purpose then you kill them. It's basic nature.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah. Cos then he'd be spending a fair chunk of his life in prison. That would be a brilliant idea.

:doh:

He's already served his time, the public wouldn't stand for him being put in prison. And if the system is going to take every measure to accommodate child killers then WHY can't you have victims serving their own justice? Are we so pathetic we are obliged to stand by and do nothing even when our kids are killed?

[Grebbo]

I remember we had big debate on old GW when the scumbag first reoffended.

The guy is rotten to the core and needs to be killed.

What's there to debate?

Being born a paedo murderer is awful luck, it must be a terrible thing to be sexually attracted to boys. Terrible. But the only cure is death. There is nothing to debate.

[GP]

He's served his time, he's all square now.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's served his time, he's all square now.

You can do a lot better than that. Disappointing.

[Grebbo]

He's already served his time, the public wouldn't stand for him being put in prison. And if the system is going to take every measure to accommodate child killers then WHY can't you have victims serving their own justice? Are we so pathetic we are obliged to stand by and do nothing even when our kids are killed?

Yeah as if he'd go to jail for killing them. It should be his life's mission. What's the point of living if some fucker who mutilated your son is walking the streets?

I remember an interview with Bulger's mother where she tracked one of the killers down but she couldn't bring herself to do anything to him. The father has no excuse though.

[Letters]

Wow.
You people need help
:hug:

[Marc Overmars]

What's there to debate?

Being born a paedo murderer is awful luck, it must be a terrible thing to be sexually attracted to boys. Terrible. But the only cure is death. There is nothing to debate.

Pretty much.

The debate was whether he truly knew what he was doing at 10 and whether he should still be made to pay now he's an adult and served his time. Seeing as he also turned out to be shirt lifter there is no case for him now.

Hopefully he's killed soon.

[Nayan]

Yeah as if he'd go to jail for killing them. It should be his life's mission. What's the point of living if some fucker who mutilated your son is walking the streets?

I remember an interview with Bulger's mother where she tracked one of the killers down but she couldn't bring herself to do anything to him. The father has no excuse though.

I honestly hope you never find yourself suitably qualified to be as judgemental about how those people should be conducting their affairs

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

International breaks.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wow.
You people need help
:hug:

Correct. When the state denies the citizen the right to defend himself and his family on the condition the state will do that job on the citizen's behalf, and then the state refuses to deliver its part of the bargain the citizen certainly does need help from elsewhere. The absolute insanity of this is the glaring contradiction being waved under the citizen's nose. It is apparently wrong for citizens to defend themselves, immoral even (you really have to laugh). But the same state reserves the right to use violence and coercion as a central device in all its dealings. And then demands the citizen pays for this hypocrisy, and not just in monetary terms. You can see our prime minister and the lunatic Hague begging for the go-ahead to murder kids in Syria, unintentionally of course because how could there ever be intent involved in dropping a bomb? They are guided by the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan (apparently) but still they persist. And all the while they demand the citizen be docile. Violence is NEVER the answer, don't you know? Unless it conducted by the state in which case it becomes a moral obligation.

Yes, people who see through this need help. And the ones who dutifully accept it are here to show us the enlightened path. Thank God/ state.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Torture him.

Killing him gives him a way out.

Torture the fucker so it hurts. A lot.

Bit harsh on Cripps tbf. I think he's a nice guy.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Yeah as if he'd go to jail for killing them. It should be his life's mission. What's the point of living if some fucker who mutilated your son is walking the streets?

I remember an interview with Bulger's mother where she tracked one of the killers down but she couldn't bring herself to do anything to him. The father has no excuse though.

:lol: What an awful argument.

If we all took the law into our own hands we'd be living in a lawless state with 500 murders every day. Wake up pal.

[Power n Glory]

What's there to debate?

Being born a paedo murderer is awful luck, it must be a terrible thing to be sexually attracted to boys. Terrible. But the only cure is death. There is nothing to debate.

Do you think they were born that way?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Do you think they were born that way?

Yes.

Look at the list of crimes he's committed. He has just pure evil running through his body. Some sort of defect that makes him an absolute w*nker.

It can only be genetically.

[Grebbo]

:lol: What an awful argument.

If we all took the law into our own hands we'd be living in a lawless state with 500 murders every day. Wake up pal.

Your argument is about as awful as mine tbh

When the law doesn't serve justice then someone has to act. Of course most people won't because the idea of doing something yourself has been drilled out of us.

Letting people walk the streets that mutilated your son to death is quite frankly incomprehensible to me... and I don't even have a son!

[Grebbo]

Do you think they were born that way?

Do you think you can choose your sexual preference? I think you're born a paedo, certainly. Not sure about being born a murderer.

[Grebbo]

I honestly hope you never find yourself suitably qualified to be as judgemental about how those people should be conducting their affairs

That's what message boards are for.

[Grebbo]

Pretty much.

The debate was whether he truly knew what he was doing at 10 and whether he should still be made to pay now he's an adult and served his time. Seeing as he also turned out to be shirt lifter there is no case for him now.

Hopefully he's killed soon.

Does it matter if they knew what they were doing or not? Even if they were mentally retarded why would you keep them alive?

The world is overpopulated, the UK is pretty much bankrupt, we don't have the resources to pay for these cretins to live for the rest of their lives (cos the killers ain't gonna be working in Tescos are they). No, us mugs are paying murderers to live for the next 60 yrs. Madness.

People have become far too sensitive about not killing scum.

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol: What an awful argument.

If we all took the law into our own hands we'd be living in a lawless state with 500 murders every day. Wake up pal.

You refer to the law as if it is somehow functional and serves its intended purpose. Under such imaginary conditions it would be prudent and useful (though not wise) for citizens to defer to a functioning legal system. Otherwise no. Inertia is the only thing protecting citizens now, a memory and familiarity with a justice system long gone. When the absence of law becomes widely apparent, especially to the criminal element, the citizen will have long since forgotten how to protect himself and his family. This blind reliance on state is beyond horrendous. They judge who should be in prison entirely on economic and political factors, look at the States if you want to see where we are going. Police "officers" have replaced police men, they are now revenue collectors for the state, as are the courts. Only this week a county police force declared it would only investigate crimes it believed had a decent chance of being resolved. A free pass for 60% or more of the crimes committed in that area. What are the citizens supposed to do? As the perp to leave evidence? Society used to protect itself, now it hasn't a clue. The idea citizen led justice automatically leads to rampaging mobs on the street is fantasy. Your argument would be better framed, if everyone had their child killed then everyone would take the law into their own hands. Even then this isn't lawlessness, it's the opposite. Lawlessness is when the state denies the rights of victims and ignores the behaviour of criminals. Of course state is the biggest criminal organisation of all so the bias is understandable though certainly not desirable.

[Nayan]

... The idea citizen led justice automatically leads to rampaging mobs on the street is fantasy. Your argument would be better framed, if everyone had their child killed then everyone would take the law into their own hands. Even then this isn't lawlessness, it's the opposite...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Bit of citizen dispensed 'justice' for you. No system is perfect but multiplying the scope for errors like this on a huge scale would be very very stupid indeed

[GP]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070619165231/simpsons/images/a/ab/Simpsons_angry_mob.png

[LDG]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Bit of citizen dispensed 'justice' for you. No system is perfect but multiplying errors like this ona huge scale would be very very stupid indeed

Zimm :bow:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

When you drop your contact lens on the floor.

[Power n Glory]

Do you think you can choose your sexual preference? I think you're born a paedo, certainly. Not sure about being born a murderer.

It’s the whole nature vs nurture debate. It’s interesting that you bring in sexuality. Not so long ago, homosexuality was deemed as deviant behaviour but now, because it’s being linked with genetics, we’re accepting it as a part of nature and society. If it can be argued that paedophilia is linked to genetics, then when will society start to look at as an illness that needs treatment instead of a crime?

It’s a can of worms. Is it okay to punish if it’s a case of genetics?

[LDG]

When you drop your contact lens on the floor.

I'd kill you for that.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I'd kill you for that.

If I say sorry will I get into heaven?

[GP]

You know the main cause of paedophilia?

All them sexy kids.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin

Bit of citizen dispensed 'justice' for you. No system is perfect but multiplying the scope for errors like this on a huge scale would be very very stupid indeed

What point are you trying to make with this example? Surely this is a case of the citizens forcing, or attempting to force, justice when the state has allegedly failed? Zimmerman appears to have committed a crime because he wasn't intervening to prevent a crime in progress and he provoked the situation in which he ultimately had to defend himself. Aren't you making my point for me here? Responsible citizens against a broken legal system?

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s the whole nature vs nurture debate. It’s interesting that you bring in sexuality. Not so long ago, homosexuality was deemed as deviant behaviour but now, because it’s being linked with genetics, we’re accepting it as a part of nature and society. If it can be argued that paedophilia is linked to genetics, then when will society start to look at as an illness that needs treatment instead of a crime?

It’s a can of worms. Is it okay to punish if it’s a case of genetics?

The common law neatly takes care of all these issues with just a few lines of text. State law, with its trillion pages of bullshit is the problem. Genetics don't enter into it. If you cause harm to others or their property you should be held accountable. This is a simple concept. If you are not causing harm then you are entitled to live as you see fit without being burdened by the unlawful demands of state.

[Nayan]

What point are you trying to make with this example? Surely this is a case of the citizens forcing, or attempting to force, justice when the state has allegedly failed? Zimmerman appears to have committed a crime because he wasn't intervening to prevent a crime in progress and he provoked the situation in which he ultimately had to defend himself. Aren't you making my point for me here? Responsible citizens against a broken legal system?

im saying that, faced with gripes of varying degree vs the state you can either
(a) try to do better
(b) decentalise everything and tell citizens to get on with it.

(b) which I suppose you prefer leads to more scope for bad outcomes since there are going to be many more cases of people getting it wrong.
More broadly, it can be tempting to over romanticise 'the individual' as some mythical saviour but the reality is that most people are pretty fucking stupid. Give them guns and tell them to take care of themselves and thing will degenrate into a competitive nash outcome far from being pareto optimal or social welfare maximising, as it were

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Your argument is about as awful as mine tbh

When the law doesn't serve justice then someone has to act. Of course most people won't because the idea of doing something yourself has been drilled out of us.

Letting people walk the streets that mutilated your son to death is quite frankly incomprehensible to me... and I don't even have a son!

No, mine is bounded with rationality and common sense. If we all went around taking revenge on those that committed crimes we'd be living in a backwards, 7th century, inefficient state. Someone robs your house, you rob them? Someone runs over your child, you run them over? Get a grip.

If anything the judicial law has failed to uphold the rights and expectations we as civilians anticipate. This isn't about tit for tat, it should be about why he keeps getting released and how the idiots that make those decisions get away with it. But that doesn't justify taking the law into your own hands.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

You refer to the law as if it is somehow functional and serves its intended purpose. Under such imaginary conditions it would be prudent and useful (though not wise) for citizens to defer to a functioning legal system. Otherwise no. Inertia is the only thing protecting citizens now, a memory and familiarity with a justice system long gone. When the absence of law becomes widely apparent, especially to the criminal element, the citizen will have long since forgotten how to protect himself and his family. This blind reliance on state is beyond horrendous. They judge who should be in prison entirely on economic and political factors, look at the States if you want to see where we are going. Police "officers" have replaced police men, they are now revenue collectors for the state, as are the courts. Only this week a county police force declared it would only investigate crimes it believed had a decent chance of being resolved. A free pass for 60% or more of the crimes committed in that area. What are the citizens supposed to do? As the perp to leave evidence? Society used to protect itself, now it hasn't a clue. The idea citizen led justice automatically leads to rampaging mobs on the street is fantasy. Your argument would be better framed, if everyone had their child killed then everyone would take the law into their own hands. Even then this isn't lawlessness, it's the opposite. Lawlessness is when the state denies the rights of victims and ignores the behaviour of criminals. Of course state is the biggest criminal organisation of all so the bias is understandable though certainly not desirable.

I'd agree with most of that.

The state has turned into a money grabbing, opportunist entity. They are supposed to be impartial and have some sort of 'duty of care' for residents, but the people running it don't give a flying f*ck about us. Hence why they take expenses at every opportunity while a young mother in Ilford can barely afford food for their child. The state has turned for the worse and long gone are the romantic 'good old days of Britain' where they were viewed as helpers.

But I think that goes for most things in modern society- police officers don't really give a fuck about murders because they happen so often. There's a general lack of respect among people which can be directly linked to the rise of celebrity culture over the past decade, turning us into opportunists with no sense of dignity towards others. And it's only getting worse.

This 'dysfunctional' element you're talking about is rife almost everywhere but it doesn't give you a right to take the law into your own hands. If a day comes where that ever becomes acceptable, society will have truly failed. I'd like to think there is a minimum threshold of efficiency still being upheld, even if it's minimal.

[Grebbo]

No, mine is bounded with rationality and common sense. If we all went around taking revenge on those that committed crimes we'd be living in a backwards, 7th century, inefficient state. Someone robs your house, you rob them? Someone runs over your child, you run them over? Get a grip.

If anything the judicial law has failed to uphold the rights and expectations we as civilians anticipate. This isn't about tit for tat, it should be about why he keeps getting released and how the idiots that make those decisions get away with it. But that doesn't justify taking the law into your own hands.

The 7th century was a great century and far from inefficient.

[Xhaka Can’t]

692/93 were particularly enjoyable years.

[Letters]

American laws :bow:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/08/iowa-grants-gun-permits-to-the-blind/2780303/

[Niall_Quinn]

im saying that, faced with gripes of varying degree vs the state you can either
(a) try to do better
(b) decentalise everything and tell citizens to get on with it.

(b) which I suppose you prefer leads to more scope for bad outcomes since there are going to be many more cases of people getting it wrong.
More broadly, it can be tempting to over romanticise 'the individual' as some mythical saviour but the reality is that most people are pretty fucking stupid. Give them guns and tell them to take care of themselves and thing will degenrate into a competitive nash outcome far from being pareto optimal or social welfare maximising, as it were

I don't think the majority of people are pretty fucking stupid, I think they have the convenience of being able to behave pretty fucking stupidly delivered to them by state and they take it for an "easy life". That life is then governed at the whim of a self interested body that now only exists to perpetuate itself. Is it "easy" for the millions who are on the breadline and being blamed for their condition by a stuffed arse who's only exposure to the planet is through the lens of a private drinking club? The imbalance is absolute. We all pay a lifelong and life sucking price for the convenience of this loathsome state.

One of the worst symptoms of the all pervasive state is the majority can no longer conceive (even casually imagine) an alternative other than a dark absence of authority that automatically descends to violent anarchy (ironically the inevitable outcome of an overbearing state). Responsibility and cooperation are never viewed as a viable alternative to authority. Such alternatives don't have to involve the removal of government (although that would ultimately be the most desirable outcome if we are to progress as a species) but simply a re-tasking in line with the principles on which the state is claimed to be constructed. Liberty being chief amongst them. We works our arses off to pay for a police force that shuffles paper behind desks. Could we not re-purpose some of that work to defend our own communities? Is it beyond people to guard their own interests and does the only solution come in the form of a remote state that treats the street you live on as a mere statistic?

If we are incapable as individuals then what great character traits mark out the geniuses that sit in ministries making decisions for us? These "right honourable" creatures that claw their way through a political career and somehow know what's best for everyone. They certainly know what's best for themselves, no doubt there. Why we listen to them and not to ourselves is an ongoing mystery. But it doesn't automatically follow we are stupid. Complacent, probably. Cowards, probably.

[Nayan]

The 7th century was a great century and far from inefficient.

yes they were butchering people in syria just fine back then too

[Niall_Quinn]

American laws :bow:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/08/iowa-grants-gun-permits-to-the-blind/2780303/

That's delicious. Of course we shouldn't discriminate against the blind, it's awful to even think it. Do you see how this works? When common sense is trampled in favour of some utopian idea of imaginary equality? Our mere "goodness" can conjure equality into existence. What pisses me off more than anything is the fact the blind aren't allowed to drive. It's a disgrace. That said, I wouldn't allow people who poked their own eyes out with pencils to drive. Not unless it could be demonstrated they had a genetic propensity for eye gouging.

[Letters]

I don't think the majority of people are pretty fucking stupid.
Which are the most popular newspapers and the most popular TV shows...?

[Nayan]

i put some sand in my mums previa oil hole.

And youre OK to admit to it?

[Niall_Quinn]

Which are the most popular newspapers and the most popular TV shows...?

Hold on, WE'RE the majority of people, or are we setting ourselves up as somehow outside that blanket term? I see people lined up in churches on a Sunday chanting words they don't even comprehend, is that any worse than watching the X-Factor given that everyone seems to avoid their responsibilities regardless of the forms of entertainment they consume? Or the queue up once every half decade to endorse the latest manifesto of outrages.

I once knew a man who read the Sun because it had tits on page three. I also knew a guy who read the Financial Times because it had tits on page one. What's the difference?

[Nayan]

one is looking at womens juggs and the other is an attempt to inform oneself about the news

[Niall_Quinn]

one is looking at womens juggs and the other is an attempt to inform oneself about the news

So, for example, the enlightened bloke might be reading some "news" about "quantitative easing" and how it's not in fact counterfeiting and theft but instead is a valuable economic tool to restore the economy? Advanced stuff that the pleb who laughs it off and stares at tits instead could never possibly comprehend?

[Nayan]

in fairness there are lot of people above Sun 'reader' level who make such conceptual mistakes and confuse central bank balance sheet expansion with debt monetisation, printing money, or even more laughably: counterfeiting.

[Letters]

I see people lined up in churches on a Sunday chanting words they don't even comprehend
You're going to the wrong churches then. If you're going at all. Which my guess is you're not.


I once knew a man who read the Sun because it had tits on page three. I also knew a guy who read the Financial Times because it had tits on page one. What's the difference?
I think you think that's clever. It isn't really.


Or the queue up once every half decade to endorse the latest manifesto of outrages.
People vote for different reasons. Some refuse to vote because they're all the same or they object to the system. We've had that debate on here recently. Others vote on idealist grounds because they hope it will make a difference.
A LOT of people, though, vote because The Sun tells them which way to.

This is why referendums on some subjects are a bad idea. If there were a referendum on the Euro you'd get millions voting against it because of the "bloody Frogs", not because they begin to understand all the economic issues and other consequences.

People are stupid. "The system" is far from perfect but it's better than having no system at all and everyone making it up as they go along.

[Nayan]

ergo, football clubs run by fans are doomed to fail...

[LDG]

Judging by the gap in proceedings. This is gonna be a long one.

[Niall_Quinn]

in fairness there are lot of people above sun 'reader' level who make such conceptual mistakes and confuse central bank balance sheet expansion with debt monetisation, printing money, or even more laughably: counterfeiting.

Central bank balance sheet expansion? Go on then, explain.

[LDG]

Or not.

[Letters]

Judging by the gap in proceedings. This is gonna be a long one.
That's what she said.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're going to the wrong churches then. If you're going at all. Which my guess is you're not.


I think you think that's clever. It isn't really.


People vote for different reasons. Some refuse to vote because they're all the same or they object to the system. We've had that debate on here recently. Others vote on idealist grounds because they hope it will make a difference.
A LOT of people, though, vote because The Sun tells them which way to.

This is why referendums on some subjects are a bad idea. If there were a referendum on the Euro you'd get millions voting against it because of the "bloody Frogs", not because they begin to understand all the economic issues and other consequences.

People are stupid. "The system" is far from perfect but it's better than having no system at all and everyone making it up as they go along.

And there we have it. People are stupid therefore they must be controlled. And whilst conceivably there may be some people outside government who aren't stupid (such as Letters), the glory of democracy ensures they are controlled too because the majority rules. All that remains is for "clever" people to decide what form of control to install, for the benefit of the stupids who can't possibly run their own affairs. This seems like a completely reasonable way to manage society.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're going to the wrong churches then. If you're going at all. Which my guess is you're not.

Give me the address of a church that doesn't deal in mindless indoctrination and I'll pop along for a refreshing change.

[Nayan]

And there we have it. People are stupid therefore they must be controlled. And whilst conceivably there may be some people outside government who aren't stupid (such as Letters), the glory of democracy ensures they are controlled too because the majority rules. All that remains is for "clever" people to decide what form of control to install, for the benefit of the stupids who can't possibly run their own affairs. This seems like a completely reasonable way to manage society.

whether feudal, democratic, autocratic or whatever, you have always seen people tend towards a system where a few are in charge of what the many do. You never see a free for all lasting for long. Why is that?

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Old people who want to take your seat on the bus, even when it's half empty.

And people who sit next to you on a bus or train when it's half empty.

[GP]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/09/bride-aged-8-dies-internal-sexual-injuries-wedding-night-_n_3892892.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

[LDG]

Old people who want to take your seat on the bus, even when it's half empty.

And people who sit next to you on a bus or train when it's half empty.

:gp:

[Nayan]

.

And people who sit next to you on a bus or train when it's half empty.

thats the Old Spice

[Letters]

Give me the address of a church that doesn't deal in mindless indoctrination and I'll pop along for a refreshing change.
The raison d'etre of a church is to proclaim (what they see as) the truth. Especially as we/they see it as having eternal consequences. But mindless? No, I've never been at a church which does it mindlessly.
In some religions *cou-Islam-ugh*, it's not encouraged to question. In Christian circles I've been in it's always made very clear that we believe such and such but you have to make your own mind up about it.

[PGFC]

Sudden changes in the weather.

[Marc Overmars]

And people who sit next to you on a bus or train when it's half empty.

Unless the person in question is a smoking hot office bint with her top 2 buttons undone.

[Nayan]

you'll get tired of that too after it happens often enough

[Letters]

Sudden changes in the weather.

You must have loved the weekend then.

Make. Up. Your Mind. <_<

[Niall_Quinn]

The raison d'etre of a church is to proclaim (what they see as) the truth. Especially as we/they see it as having eternal consequences. But mindless? No, I've never been at a church which does it mindlessly.
In some religions *cou-Islam-ugh*, it's not encouraged to question. In Christian circles I've been in it's always made very clear that we believe such and such but you have to make your own mind up about it.

I'll just reuse what's already here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/09/bride-aged-8-dies-internal-sexual-injuries-wedding-night-_n_3892892.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

[Marc Overmars]

I'll just reuse what's already here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/09/bride-aged-8-dies-internal-sexual-injuries-wedding-night-_n_3892892.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
:sick:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I think we know who are to blame






















http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/players.jpeg

[Niall_Quinn]

whether feudal, democratic, autocratic or whatever, you have always seen people tend towards a system where a few are in charge of what the many do. You never see a free for all lasting for long. Why is that?

Leaving aside the narrow and arbitrary conclusion that any alternative to the state is "a free for all", go on then. Why is that?

[Nayan]

tell people to mete out their own justice as they see fit = free for all= total breakdown of any semblance of law and order as people turn on each other and look out for their own interests, in the narrowest possible sense. whats the mystery?

Admittedly I was taking my cue from your earlier points about how 'the state' has failed and people need to take the law into their own hands.

And I asked you why. I think such a state doesnt persist people ultimately people realise its very counterproductive and impose some kind of system (ie the few ruling many.) TO state it another way - if you genuinely think folks would be better off without a 'state' or 'rulers' you must have some theory that explains why countless generations have always thought otherwise.

On one level, stability allows people to form and plan the creation of wealth in the broader sense, including both human and physical capital. Its certainly the case that people in a position of privelege have done particularly well out of that and there is a big debate about fairness and equality here. However most would argue that the average person's odds of surviving and hopefully prospering are better under some form of government which implies stability and certain shared responsibilities as opposed to having to do everything (including policing your own land, imposing your own justice and educating your own kids) yourself.

If not, and you think we'd be better off without voting, government, a justice system and so on Id like to know what you think the alternative is.

[PGFC]

If not, and you think we'd be better off without voting, government, a justice system and so on Id like to know what you think the alternative is.

Somalia :good:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Somalia :good:

:haha: :haha: :haha:

[Power n Glory]

Which are the most popular newspapers and the most popular TV shows...?

Is it really wise to make such an assumption when the Bible is one the bestselling books around the globe?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Is it really wise to make such an assumption when the Bible is one the bestselling books around the globe?

http://i.imgur.com/Sm1hp.gif

[Letters]

Is it really wise to make such an assumption when the Bible is one the bestselling books around the globe?
:lol: Very good.

[Niall_Quinn]

tell people to mete out their own justice as they see fit = free for all= total breakdown of any semblance of law and order as people turn on each other and look out for their own interests, in the narrowest possible sense. whats the mystery?

Admittedly I was taking my cue from your earlier points about how 'the state' has failed and people need to take the law into their own hands.

And I asked you why. I think such a state doesnt persist people ultimately people realise its very counterproductive and impose some kind of system (ie the few ruling many.) TO state it another way - if you genuinely think folks would be better off without a 'state' or 'rulers' you must have some theory that explains why countless generations have always thought otherwise.

On one level, stability allows people to form and plan the creation of wealth in the broader sense, including both human and physical capital. Its certainly the case that people in a position of privelege have done particularly well out of that and there is a big debate about fairness and equality here. However most would argue that the average person's odds of surviving and hopefully prospering are better under some form of government which implies stability and certain shared responsibilities as opposed to having to do everything (including policing your own land, imposing your own justice and educating your own kids) yourself.

If not, and you think we'd be better off without voting, government, a justice system and so on Id like to know what you think the alternative is.

Framing the debate:

tell people to mete out their own justice as they see fit

people need to take the law into their own hands

if you genuinely think folks would be better off without a 'state' or 'rulers' you must have some theory that explains why countless generations have always thought otherwise

And now I may proceed to add some substance to an argument I didn't pose in the first place. Thanks.

I didn't say people need to take the law into their own hands and mete out justice as they see fit. Neither did I say government should be removed. I said where the state has failed to administer justice in line with its contract with the people this should not deprive the people of the right to act to uphold justice, particularly in defence of their own life and liberty. The state does not derive its authority from God or some other entity that stands above the people. It's bureaucratic rulings do not trump basic human rights and the common law.

The state should be nothing more than the will of the governed and when it exceeds those bounds it is automatically in breach of the contract it has with the people. When mechanisms designed to control the state are removed or mired in eternal bureaucracy or worse, deterred through force and intimidation, the state becomes an obstruction to the will of the people and therefore invalid by default. That is where we are today, under the governance of an illegitimate and coercive state. That is where people have been for most of history. To suggest this is because people desire it requires proof on your part. How do you know it's not a question of coercion rather than consent?

The king had thugs to enforce his will. The parliament has a paramilitary and bureaucracy to do the same. Bureaucratic and legal structures designed to isolate the individual and disrupt collective dissent are ever more powerful tools of state. Invasion of privacy, secret courts and tribunals, a two tier legal system designed to the advantage of the rich where laws are literally reversed depending on economic or political status. Thou shall not kill, steal or covet thy neighbours goods - unless there is a statute that permits it. And such reversals and privileges do not apply to the common people who are allegedly the expression of the state. How does that work?

Tell me again, what magic formula allows the state to deprive the Bulger family of justice and the undoubted majority of the people who would see that justice done? Who are these eminently wise individuals who have placed themselves above all others to decree the victim has less rights than the guilty? And considering the state refuses to act and in fact prefers to rub the victims' noses in inaction what happens to justice? Where has it gone? And why will the whole of society descend into medieval anarchy if justice is served in this case?

This isn't to say the Bulger family even want that bastard dead. But they have clearly expressed a desire for justice as promised under the so-called law. And if there's some underlying benefit to denying this justice what is it?

[Nayan]

Im not standing up for the bulger killer's right to playstation 4 or whatever of course.

I do have to point this out though:
"under the governance of an illegitimate and coercive state."

People are getting gassed and extermintated in Syria. Yet some half arsed debated about the interweb and and bureaucracy in the home counties - and a cobbled together government directly resulting from an electoral process most people (and I assume yourself) felt was beneath them to get involved in?

I think there is a real lack of perspective here I really do

[PGFC]

Badgers are getting shot and extermintated in England. Yet some half arsed debated about the interweb and and bureaucracy in the home counties - and a cobbled together government directly resulting from an electoral process most people (and I assume yourself) felt was beneath them to get involved in?

If you really want a reaction...

[Nayan]

haha :)

[PGFC]

Badgers > Syrians, fact.

[Niall_Quinn]

Im not standing up for the bulger killer's right to playstation 4 or whatever of course.

I do have to point this out though:
"under the governance of an illegitimate and coercive state."

People are getting gassed and extermintated in Syria. Yet some half arsed debated about the interweb and and bureaucracy in the home counties - and a cobbled together government directly resulting from an electoral process most people (and I assume yourself) felt was beneath them to get involved in?

I think there is a real lack of perspective here I really do

Yes exterminated.

My perspective is all wrong. It's me that's running the too big to fail, drug running, money laundering banks, it's me that's running trillion dollar war machines while a third of the world starves, it's me that's sending cruise missiles and drone strikes against civilian populations, it's me that dumbing down the education standards of kids and condemning them to lifelong debt, it's me that's opening your mail and sorting through your knickers drawer, it's me that's poisoning the environment, it's me that runs the pill pushing health industries, I'm a bit of a mad cunt when you look at it which I suggest you don't.

But let's say you strayed for a moment. Why do you think that Syria TV stuff is happening? Because of an age old rivalry between ideological factions? Like the Hindus and Muslims, or the Arabs and Jews? If only they could be more like the British we wouldn't have all these problems, but would there be enough victims to go around? Our long running intervention in those countries certainly isn't a major part of the problem and even if it was the benign and representative bureaucracy we have here that is always expressing the will of the people (hence Iraq) would be able to calm our nerves I'm sure. No sound of boots so everything is fine.

Do you really believe our state and the American and Russian governments/ establishments are connected to their respective populations and are mere horrified onlookers as these foreigners tear each other up? Savages! (The foreigners I mean). A lot of people do think that way and when you put that sort of perspective on things then it would be fair enough to say truth becomes hysteria. The pay-off for our silence is the standard of living brought about by pillage, especially in the case of the Americans and their petrodollar (see Syria, exterminated, etc). Is it beneath me to endorse war criminals who are the embodiment of the breach of standards defined by our own judges and generals at Nuremberg? Unfortunately yes, I am an arsehole over things like that. But I do appreciate the fact they haven't turned the worst of their excesses on the home crowd, a bit like the Krays who always looked after their own in return for total compliance.

The world is waking up though. 91% of the American people are against conducting illegal strikes against Syria. People are looking and learning and realising what's been going on in their own backyard. All mad bastards who are blowing things up, metaphorically rather than physically for a change. Britain will be last to rise, we like our lie-ins and we have that eternal reserve that allows us to look the other way with confidence.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's a bastard but he's quickly cut through the smoke.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-PObNBVIXQ

[Cripps_orig]

Wasps

[Nayan]

Indian fascination with burning women:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/10310670/Delhi-gang-rapists-lawyer-makes-Taliban-like-comment-that-he-would-have-burned-victim-alive.html

[Grebbo]

Pool tables in pubs that don't have any chalk
People buying bullshit iced drinks and milkshakes in Starbucks that take ages to make. Just buy a coffee you cunts

[Xhaka Can’t]

Pool tables in pubs that don't have any chalk
People buying bullshit iced drinks and milkshakes in Starbucks that take ages to make. Just buy a coffee you cunts

Looks like asking people not to enter with their firearms was a good move.

[PGFC]

I'd only ever enter Starbucks with a firearm and a Cunting Licence.

[LDG]

Coffee? Wtf!?

Just go to the pub you cunts.

[GP]

People

[milla]

He's a bastard but he's quickly cut through the smoke.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-PObNBVIXQ

ECB and US FD have been counterfeiting and printing fake money (at will) for decades LOL. Depreciating our currencies as they please. :coffee:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

- The shutter or drawer preventing cigarettes from being on display, i know which brand i smoke and it's frankly insulting to think it deters anyone

[GP]

That's a good one. I wanted some cigars for a social gathering and the stupid bint in tesco wouldn't tell me which ones they had.

[Letters]

That's a good one. I wanted some cigars for a social gathering.
Are you 60? :blink:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's a good one. I wanted some cigars for a social gathering and the stupid bint in tesco wouldn't tell me which ones they had.

way to disprove my point

Probably won't sell Montecristos behind the counter at Tesco

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Are you 60? :blink:

I...don't...understand...you've never wanted a large cuban to smoke at the end of an evening...obnoxiously blowing smoke in other people's faces and convincing yourself that you can blow smoke rings when in fact you're just making a boob of yourself

[GP]

way to disprove my point

Probably won't sell Montecristos behind the counter at Tesco

No but they'll have Henri Wintermans coronas.

Probably.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yeah they are ok, but i assume you were after more of a cuban

[Niall_Quinn]

That's a good one. I wanted some cigars for a social gathering and the stupid bint in tesco wouldn't tell me which ones they had.

What's even worse, if you beat it out of them they call the pigs. Talk about customer service.

[Ollie the Optimist]

- The shutter or drawer preventing cigarettes from being on display, i know which brand i smoke and it's frankly insulting to think it deters anyone

i agree with that one. Not that I'm a smoker, but it does hold the queue as people ask if they have x brand, then spend ages asking which others one they have when they don't have x brand. If people want to smoke, they will, just because they can't see the cigarettes despite knowing they are there, won't stop that

[LDG]

Being a reformed non-smoker, I can honestly say, you shouldn't smoke. It's bad for you and it smells.

*high horse*

*ex-smoker smug*






In all honesty, smoking is cool as fuck, and I wish I wasn't so scared of death and cancer.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Those shitty Age of Empires knocks offs with fake-Morgan Freeman, or for some reason Kate Upton.

[LDG]

BT

[PGFC]

BT

Cunts :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

i agree with that one. Not that I'm a smoker, but it does hold the queue as people ask if they have x brand, then spend ages asking which others one they have when they don't have x brand. If people want to smoke, they will, just because they can't see the cigarettes despite knowing they are there, won't stop that

It's so children don't see them while their parents are buying them processed GM food.

[GP]

Minions.

[Letters]

Minions.

Fo' shizzle. Never seen any of the related films but seen a few clips here and there and don't 'get' it
I guess it's funny if you're 5.
I'm not 5

[GP]

Despicable Me is actually quite good, but in spite of the minions.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Corbyn Mania

[Syn]

Corbyn Mania

Innit. High immigration and bigger fiscal deficits. What's the cunt on about?!

And I say this as a left wing terrorist. That weirdo can't run a country.

[Syn]

Arsenal fans. More specifically, internet twats (tm)

[Syn]

Imagine an Internet space where sub human filth like Letters and GP are actually the 'good' guys, and the rest are patience-testing wank. That is the reality we live in.

[Letters]

GP :bow:
Me :bow: