Match reaction vs Schalke

[Olivier's xmas twist]

good Perfomance in the 1st half, 2nd half, not sure cause did not really watch, but ill take the point.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

:ilt:

[Özim]

Best thing about tonight.

Ajax drawing with Man City.

[Power n Glory]

Should have been a comfortable victory. 2-0 goals up only to find oon and looking for a last minute sucker punch. Not good enough.

[Marc Overmars]

We were pretty shit in the 2nd half but it's a good point. Always a disappointment to lose a 2 goal lead though.

Absolute must win now against Monty.

[Ralpheroo72]

Looking forward to next season, no champions league football to worry about.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

only we could have well and truly arsenal'd that up and we did.

the 'weekly fuck up that leads to a goal award' goes to: cazorla

in all seriousness, how many fucking defensive mistakes are we going to make? its EVERY FUCKING WEEK.

anyway, see what happens when you give giroud some decent service? everytime we got the ball out wide and crossed it in the first half he looked dangerous. well taken goal tonight.

also we played counter attacking football in the first half and we looked very dangerous, then for some reason the team came out, played tippy tappy, slow paced football in the second half and we truly cocked it up.

[Cripps_orig]

We are a bit shit footballistically and mentalistically

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We were pretty shit in the 2nd half but it's a good point. Always a disappointment to lose a 2 goal lead though.

Absolute must win now against Monty.

Yep, we'll still qualify and i guess thats all that matters.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

First time we've ballsed up a two goal lead for a while. We need Schalke to beat Olympiakos and us beat Monty, then we're qualified.

[jelgoon]

Well we may not come fourth but weve a massive chance of winning it and qualifying that way

Looking forward to next season, no champions league football to worry about.

[Letters]

Most of us would have taken a point before the game.
Disappointing to throw away a 2 goal lead but much better tonight, Walcott should have won it at the death.
Decent result.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Looks like Arsene managed to pick up some shiny new brakepads at HT.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Most of us would have taken a point before the game.
Disappointing to throw away a 2 goal lead but much better tonight, Walcott should have won it at the death.
Decent result.

What was his chance like.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

4 match threads :haha:

goonersweb :rose:

for what we were and not what we became :rose:

[milla]

only we could have well and truly arsenal'd that up and we did.

the 'weekly fuck up that leads to a goal award' goes to: cazorla

in all seriousness, how many fucking defensive mistakes are we going to make? its EVERY FUCKING WEEK.

anyway, see what happens when you give giroud some decent service? everytime we got the ball out wide and crossed it in the first half he looked dangerous. well taken goal tonight.

also we played counter attacking football in the first half and we looked very dangerous, then for some reason the team came out, played tippy tappy, slow paced football in the second half and we truly cocked it up.

Must be under order from Wumger to quit quick counter attack. :coffee:

[jelgoon]

We'll qualify no problem. Beginning to leak two goals a game too often - not good enough for the best defence in the league ( one that Wenger doesnt feel he needs to worry about).
First time we've ballsed up a two goal lead for a while. We need Schalke to beat Olympiakos and us beat Monty, then we're qualified.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

The saddest thing for me is I don't feel anything towards this set of players, there's nothing there, I don't see anything in them that shows any kind of desire or emotion.

[RomfordPele]

Glad we got a point in the end. Fighting chance of qualifying with a win against Montpellier.

We look a better attacking unit with theo. he's frustrating as hell but he's the best we've got at the moment. Expect him to be immediately dropped as soon as Ramsey is fit again.

Cazorla looks worryingly out of sorts. Wilshere carrying this team already - desperate stuff.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Looks like Arsene managed to pick up some shiny new brakepads at HT.

Yep the handbrake was working perfectly in the second half.

[Letters]

What was his chance like.
He was clean through but he didn't have much time to think about it.
Should have done better but there you go.

[LDG]

Most of us would have taken a point before the game.
Disappointing to throw away a 2 goal lead but much better tonight, Walcott should have won it at the death.
Decent result.

No hand wringing from you, I see.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Must be under order from Wumger to quit quick counter attack. :coffee:

stan and ivan told wenger he's not allowed to play counter attacking football

:letters:

[Power n Glory]

After the two goals it looked like we were set up to sit back and defend.

[Letters]

No hand wringing from you, I see.
Don't need to now I'm married ##

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He was clean through but he didn't have much time to think about it.
Should have done better but there you go.

Oh, Thought he played ok, not his best though. And that had only he left that Chance to poldi instead of being offsidem we'd have been better for it.

But on we go.

[Cripps_orig]

Theo unlucky

Ball was caught under his feet but still managed to get a shot away. Classic striker instinct

Has to be played upfront

We have Wenger

Theo at left back imo

[Marc Overmars]

He was clean through but he didn't have much time to think about it.
Should have done better but there you go.

The keeper was out quickly and he didn't have a lot to aim for, he should have attempted to round him IMO.

Not going to be too harsh on him though, he saved Giroud from embarrassment on the first goal.

[Özim]

Yep, we'll still qualify and i guess thats all that matters.
Yeah fantastic news

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[Xhaka Can’t]

Yeah fantastic news

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Has he had a stroke?

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Has he had a stroke?

:haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Ok I'm throwing this out there...

Catzola.

A bit of a fairweather?

[LDG]

No three points. That's all that matters.

On we go.

[gunnerrrrr]

Theo unlucky

Ball was caught under his feet but still managed to get a shot away. Classic striker instinct

Has to be played upfront

We have Wenger

Theo at left back imo
Come on it wernt all bad, Santos came on for a cameo...i was worried for a start thinking he was injured

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Giroud kicked the ground :haha: :haha: :haha:

He's terrible.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Yeah fantastic news

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OK. NEver said it was not about money. Just said we will qualify, which is what is about.

[Özim]

Has he had a stroke?
No he's just ageing a little now and has lost his way, that's why he wears his penguin suit and flaps his arms.

[Syn]

Ok I'm throwing this out there...

Catzola.

A bit of a fairweather?

The new Arshavin.

Who is the old Cazorla.

The solution is simple.

Play Ramsey.

[Niall_Quinn]

Bendtner, Walcott, same shit. Haven't made my mind up on Giroud yet. 10 men behind the ball in the second half, huge gaps between the secondary back four and the forwards. No pace. Careless. No composure. Much improved.

[Cripps_orig]

Ok I'm throwing this out there...

Catzola.

A bit of a fairweather?
Yup

[gunnerrrrr]

Ok I'm throwing this out there...

Catzola.

A bit of a fairweather?

Good footballer...but not a leader or a individual to run/dominate the game. We are desperately lacking leadership and a proper few players who are that extra quality.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

its ramseys fault.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

its ramseys fault.

No it was Gevs fault. What a chance he missed.

[Özim]

Ok I'm throwing this out there...

Catzola.

A bit of a fairweather?
I'm thinking he might be, very talented but really doesn't perform when we need him.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'm thinking he might be, very talented but really doesn't perform when we need him.

Hype :bow:

[Joker]

Good result but another pretty poor performance for most of the game. I think our last good performance came against West Ham before the international break. Schalke looked much superior to us, both technically and tactically. It's disappointing that we're not able to control games anymore, and create chances through high quality, incisive passing and quick counter-attacks. But this is the level we're at now, and given that, it's a very important point against a superior side.

[Cripps_orig]

Been saying that about Cazorla for a month now

Hate being right :(

[Gervinho's Forehead]

I'm thinking he might be, very talented but really doesn't perform when we need him.

He was anonymous today as was arteta.

[Ralpheroo72]

Well we may not come fourth but weve a massive chance of winning it and qualifying that way

Must be some goo pot you are smoking

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

was hoping for a santos leg break. didnt get it. hopefully on saturday.

vermaelen better but still not convincing.

gibbs please return

[LDG]

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[Cripps_orig]

He was anonymous today as was arteta.

Stop wumming. No one is allowed to critisise Arteta

:GB:

[milla]

Has he had a stroke?

Nope it was a broken penis. :coffee:

[Cripps_orig]

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Cun7?

[Syn]

Anyone watch the Theo post-game interview?

Apparently got asked some interesting questions.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

He was anonymous today as was arteta.

Don't think the fast counter stuff we played in the 1st half suited him tbh.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Anyone watch the Theo post-game interview?

Apparently got asked some interesting questions.

He was asked about his contract situation and if it was the reason why he hadn't been starting games.

[Özim]

gibbs please return
Yeah don't hold your breath, he's the new crock in a long line of crocks.

[Syn]

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Has he had a stroke?

[Cripps_orig]

Yeah don't hold your breath, he's the new crock in a long line of crocks.

New?

[Syn]

He was asked about his contract situation and if it was the reason why he hadn't been starting games.


and what did he say?

[Joker]

Stop wumming. No one is allowed to critisise Arteta

:GB:

Do think Arteta gets an easy ride on here relative to other players. I don't think we should drop him, because he's still one of our better midfielders, but he is not stamping his authority on games in the last month.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Has he had a stroke?

No. terets.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

and what did he say?

"You'd have to ask the manager"

[Cripps_orig]

Do think Arteta gets an easy ride on here relative to other players. I don't think we should drop him, because he's still one of our better midfielders, but he is not stamping his authority on games in the last month.

Cant disagree with that

Shows how poor we have got

[Olivier's xmas twist]

"You'd have to ask the manager"

:haha:

[RomfordPele]

Blimey, listening to tone of interviews, Walcott is blatantly out the door - no doubt to be replaced by gnabry.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyone watch the Theo post-game interview?

Apparently got asked some interesting questions.

Yeah, he was in new bolshy Theo mode, long gone are the fluttering eyelashes. There's obviously a fair bit of shit going on between Walcott and the club because Wenger was pissed when asked about it too.

[Syn]

"You'd have to ask the manager"

:popcorn:

[Niall_Quinn]

and what did he say?

100 big ones or GTFO bitch! Show me the MONEY! Shout it out motherfucker - you LOVE black people. SHOW ME THE MOOOOONEY!

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sign da ting

:popcorn:

[gooners]

"You'd have to ask the manager"

theo :bow:

growing some balls -- our boy is growing up!

[Globalgunner]

Seen the second Schalke goal. Vermaelen !!!!!Our defenders scoring streak goes on.

On we go....The only positive is that Manonne is showing us we dont miss Sceceszny that much. SCZ is not that much of an improvement IMO. What we need is a quality keeper. Right now only Fabianski should be classified as outright poor,

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

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Ronaldo's new brand name?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

100 big ones or GTFO bitch! Show me the MONEY! Shout it out motherfucker - you LOVE black people. SHOW ME THE MOOOOONEY!

:haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Walnut. :lol:

Just keep scoring goals on your way out the door at least.

[Syn]

Yeah, he was in new bolshy Theo mode, long gone are the fluttering eyelashes. There's obviously a fair bit of shit going on between Walcott and the club because Wenger was pissed when asked about it too.

Yeah I've noticed that too. Got a lot to say for himself these days. Very confident in himself. And why wouldn't he be? His boy band have really taken off and proven themselves at the highest level.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

100 big ones or GTFO bitch! Show me the MONEY! Shout it out motherfucker - you LOVE black people. SHOW ME THE MOOOOONEY!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2554/3859271924_24af790d82_o.gif

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah I've noticed that too. Got a lot to say for himself these days. Very confident in himself. And why wouldn't he be? His boy band have really taken off and proven themselves at the highest level.

Didn't know Wenger was in a boy band?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Anyone got a clip

[Master Splinter]

Yeah I've noticed that too. Got a lot to say for himself these days. Very confident in himself. And why wouldn't he be? His boy band have really taken off and proven themselves at the highest level.

Have you plagiarised one of my criminally overlooked jokes?

I believe yes. You have not observed humility.

Will I have a word with you after the match?

No.

I do not know Syn.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Anyone got a clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGS8re8cIVI

[Kano]

Meh. let's draw the next two and get into the europa, which is more our level atm.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyone got a clip

Nope, fired all mine off during the Utd game.

[Syn]

Didn't know Wenger was in a boy band?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zbi0XmGtMw

[GP]

Must be some goo pot you are smoking

Goo pot :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Have you plagiarised one of my criminally overlooked jokes?

I believe yes. You have not observed humility.

Will I have a word with you after the match?

No.

I do not know Syn.

You need to consider, it can go to the last game, it cannot go to the last game.

[jelgoon]

Well hes asked for more money and they wont give it and he demanded to play upfront and Wenger wount give that either. Deadlock with a month to go before Liverpools bid comes in
Yeah, he was in new bolshy Theo mode, long gone are the fluttering eyelashes. There's obviously a fair bit of shit going on between Walcott and the club because Wenger was pissed when asked about it too.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zbi0XmGtMw

Ramsey's mum.

[gooners]

Meh. let's draw the next two and get into the europa, which is more our level atm.

an insult to athletico madrid,porto, athletic bilbao,braga,basel etc

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGS8re8cIVI

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

an insult to athletico madrid,porto, athletic bilbao,braga,basel etc

and Citeh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

an insult to athletico madrid,porto, athletic bilbao,braga,basel etc

Don't forget Man City :coffee:

[topgun]

Yeah don't hold your breath, he's the new crock in a long line of crocks.Exactly,what would our physio's do without Diaby,Gibbs,Rocky etc.Time to get a proper left back,Gibbs only fit for back up role.

[Syn]

You need to consider, it can go to the last game, it cannot go to the last game.

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

If I was Walcott I would have scored from that last chance and strengthened my negotiating position. But I suppose missing it was another way to go.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Wenger got his +1 in on Theo - paraphrasing 'he played well, he was fresh'.

Theo getting all ballsy in interviews.

Who will crack first :popcorn:

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger got his +1 in on Theo - paraphrasing 'he played well, he was fresh'.

Theo getting all ballsy in interviews.

Who will crack first :popcorn:

Gazidis.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If I was Walcott I would have scored from that last chance and strengthened my negotiating position. But I suppose missing it was another way to go.

Nah he was warning Wenger and the club, that he scores when he wants. He scores when he wants, Theo Walcott he scores when he wants :coffee:.

[Syn]

Wenger got his +1 in on Theo - paraphrasing 'he played well, he was fresh'.

Theo getting all ballsy in interviews.

Who will crack first :popcorn:

'Fresh'??

I must tell you. I would not accuse Wenger of racism. He is not racist to anti-racism.

[Dennis Bendtner]

Nah he was warning Wenger and the club, that he scores when he wants. He scores when he wants, Theo Walcott he scores when he wants :coffee:.

http://mlkshk.com/r/2U

[Niall_Quinn]

Doesn't matter anyway, we have Giroud. He can easily fuck up as many as Theo.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://mlkshk.com/r/2U

I'm getting one of those for crimbo.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Doesn't matter anyway, we have Giroud. He can easily fuck up as many as Theo.

:gp:

A real goldon age for Arsenal FC

[Kano]

vermaelen needs to be put down after another shocker.

three at the back next game, won't make a difference to the backline.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I'm getting one of those for crimbo.

Well if thats the type of jacket you like then go for it :coffee:

[Marc Overmars]

vermaelen needs to be put down after another shocker.

three at the back next game, won't make a difference to the backline.

Don't think he was too bad tonight, but maybe that was because his mistakes could only lead to a threat on a wing and not to the heart of the defence where it's more noticeable. Farfans shot was going in anyway so I'm not sure he could have done a lot there other than throw himself at it and hope for the best.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

vermaelen needs to be put down after another shocker.

three at the back next game, won't make a difference to the backline.

Taken out back and shot, it's for the best really. He's a big boy poop.

verminator :haha:

captain :haha:

[Dennis Bendtner]

Olivier Sex is not proving a very good out-ball. It's inviting pressure onto the defence. In fact the front three as a whole are not good in possession.

[Kano]

Don't think he was too bad tonight, but maybe that was because his mistakes could only lead to a threat on a wing and not to the heart of the defence where it's more noticeable. Farfans shot was going in anyway so I'm not sure he could have done a lot there other than throw himself at it and hope for the best.
there was no one on that left side at all when the ball fell to farfan. he kept falling out of position on the left, although podolski took his time to make an effort getting back. quite happy with the result really as we'll get to 10 points in the next game but it would serve us much better to finish third.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Don't think he was too bad tonight, but maybe that was because his mistakes could only lead to a threat on a wing and not to the heart of the defence where it's more noticeable. Farfans shot was going in anyway so I'm not sure he could have done a lot there other than throw himself at it and hope for the best.

Beautiful finish for the goal, one koscielny would be proud of.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Olivier Sex is not proving a very good out-ball. It's inviting pressure onto the defence. In fact the front three as a whole are not good in possession.

Just another pretty face eh?

[Marc Overmars]

Olivier Sex is not proving a very good out-ball. It's inviting pressure onto the defence. In fact the front three as a whole are not good in possession.

I just sigh whenever I see some big 6 footer chasing down lost causes. Get him in the box and pub balls in there for him, he could be quite effective that way.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

it would serve us much better to finish third.


Why, we only get our asses handed to us by falcao anyways.

[notwist]

What was Wenger doing when the team was dead on its feet in the second half? He is killing our best players because he doesn't trust his own bench, all of whom he bought.

[Kano]

I just sigh whenever I see some big 6 footer chasing down lost causes. Get him in the box and pub balls in there for him, he could be quite effective that way.
having that middle man that can link play is very important to our attack which he can do but if he drops deep, he struggles to get back into the move. he was quite isolated tonight with no support around him so again he was chasing lost causes. he needs to improve on the deck too as he won't be getting great crosses in the air every game.

[Kano]

Why, we only get our asses handed to us by falcao anyways.
there are players everywhere that can hurt our defence when they play like this but at least the hope of success would stay alive longer in the europa; we've known since the start of this seasons cl we are not winning it. there's definitely no point in that.

[Niall_Quinn]

What was Wenger doing when the team was dead on its feet in the second half? He is killing our best players because he doesn't trust his own bench, all of whom he bought.

He was preparing an excuse for the Fulham match.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

He was preparing an excuse for the Fulham match.

You can hear it now :sick:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

having that middle man that can link play is very important to our attack which he can do but if he drops deep, he struggles to get back into the move. he was quite isolated tonight with no support around him so again he was chasing lost causes. he needs to improve on the deck too as he won't be getting great crosses in the air every game.

Provide the man with serivce and he'll score.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Provide the man with serivce and he'll score.

That service has to literally be on the middle of his forehead or right on his foot.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Good footballer...but not a leader or a individual to run/dominate the game. We are desperately lacking leadership and a proper few players who are that extra quality.

No we are lacking quality.

[Kano]

at least we got some goals on the bloody board and showed something in a tough away match. i think most of us had it down for a loss and whilst we should've taken three, having enough to take a point is an improvement on how we last saw this side perform. these times are not good at all but you have to find something to give you some motivation to watch the next game.

[gooners]

but you have to find something to give you some motivation to watch the next game.

you must be really scraping the bottom of the barrel then ;)

[Cripps_orig]

on the performance...
For us it was important first of all not to lose and if possible to win. We managed the first part, not the second one. I felt that overall we played reasonably well, but dropped physically in the second half. The regret we have is that we conceded the goal just before half time and we missed the [Theo Walcott] chance at the end of the game. I think the two, of course, have a big impact on the result overall. Schalke never gave up and worked hard. I believe we have shown a good response to Saturday's game and you feel the team is getting better. I think in one month, if we continue to develop, we will be there.

on Walcott's display...
He did well, very well. He had a positive attitude and was fresh as well. He was the only one you always felt could make a difference and it was no coincidence he had the chance in the final minute.

on a foul for first Schalke goal...
Yes, on Walcott and he gave foul against Walcott. I invite you to see it again. It is a foul from Afellay on Walcott, 100 per cent.

on Mannone-Szczesny selection problem...
We'll see. I don't look too much for coming problems. In my job you don't miss problems. You miss more solutions, that at the moment is not a big problem. Mannone had a good game, he had a good game in Manchester for me as well. It is good, very interesting. His confidence gets better in every game.

on Walcott and Podolski playing as strikers...
Well, a winger is a striker. Not for you? Giroud has Walcott and Podolski with him. We scored two goals. We had more chances and played with three offensive midfielders as well. At some stage, we have to put one or two defenders in the team as well.

on the state of Group B...
It's open. We are of course in a position where we want to win our home game. If we win, we have a 50 per cent chance of going through because Schalke play Olympiacos here. They are in a position where they have absolutely to win that game as well. It will of course depend on our result first against Montpellier and then we will see what happens here. It could go to last game, we could, with luck, do it in the next game. Anyway, we are in a position where we must win against Montpellier.

Was it a foul on Theo?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

the way all the groups are going we're better off finishing 2nd and playing a team who is gonna finish 1st :lol:

champions league :rose:

turned into a pub team trophy :rose:

capital one cup is the most exciting trophy now :bow:

[gooners]

For us it was important first of all not to lose and if possible to win.

we've got the right mentality at least --- no delusions of grandeur there. Hopefully we apply the same when we meet the likes of norwich; will serve us well

[Gervinho's Forehead]

the way all the groups are going we're better off finishing 2nd and playing a team who is gonna finish 1st :lol:

champions league :rose:

turned into a pub team trophy :rose:

capital one cup is the most exciting trophy now :bow:

You can see it now a 2-1 loss to norwich in the final and grant fucking holt scoring.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

the way all the groups are going we're better off finishing 2nd and playing a team who is gonna finish 1st :lol:


Well its not like we could finish 2nd and play a team who finishes 2nd :coffee:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You can see it now a 2-1 loss to norwich in the final and grant fucking holt scoring.

Deja Vu lol.

You know it makes sense.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Stop wumming. No one is allowed to critisise Arteta

:GB:

But he was anonymous.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Blimey, listening to tone of interviews, Walcott is blatantly out the door - no doubt to be replaced by gnabry.

That answer he gave along with the look would indicate that is the case.

[Xhaka Can’t]

What was Wenger doing when the team was dead on its feet in the second half? He is killing our best players because he doesn't trust his own bench, all of whom he bought.

Our bench tonight. :ilt:

[Xhaka Can’t]

You can see it now a 2-1 loss to norwich in the final and grant fucking holt scoring.

Grant fucking Holt?

[gunnerrrrr]

That answer he gave along with the look would indicate that is the case.

I missed this....wht happened

[Xhaka Can’t]

I missed this....wht happened

Theo was asked if he wasn't getting starts because of the Contract situation. He answered, "I don't know, you'll have to ask the Manager".

I may not have the quote word for word, but that is pretty much how it went.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Theo was asked if he wasn't getting starts because of the Contract situation. He answered, "I don't know, you'll have to ask the Manager".

I may not have the quote word for word, but that is pretty much how it went.

Yeah pretty much. :good:

[Xhaka Can’t]

"I just want to play hopefully now I can get a run in the team because I feel I fully deserve it," ... "You have to ask the manager that question, I can't answer that."

[Cripps_orig]

Watching the highlights

Didnt realise Giroud kicked the ground when clean through just before Theos goal

Giroud :haha:

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Giroud is terrible :lol:

[Cripps_orig]

Giroud is terrible :lol:

Pretty much

[Cripps_orig]

Got to say Mannone has impressed in this run

Number 1 for sure.

Still rather have a better keeper bought in but hes the best we have atm

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Got to say Mannone has impressed in this run

Number 1 for sure.

Still rather have a better keeper bought in but hes the best we have atm

Well he is gaining confidence that is for sure.

End of the day, don't matter about a good keeper if the defence is poor.

[Cripps_orig]

Well he is gaining confidence that is for sure.

End of the day, don't matter about a good keeper if the defence is poor.

Best defence in the league

[Kano]

Grant fucking Holt?
:lol:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Didnt see the game and may have to excuse myself from the pain of the late showing tonight. . .everyone knows we dont have the best defence in the league but with Santos out of it, we have to be better.
I can go along with TV5 out there, but Sagna would be better with Jenko coming back to the fold.

Theo scored so 1 nil to him but dont know gow well he played so could be a draw in his match against Wumzdis Utd! Sounds like he scored in injury time though with his post match interview :popcorn:

[Niall_Quinn]

Didnt see the game and may have to excuse myself from the pain of the late showing tonight. . .everyone knows we dont have the best defence in the league but with Santos out of it, we have to be better.
I can go along with TV5 out there, but Sagna would be better with Jenko coming back to the fold.

Theo scored so 1 nil to him but dont know gow well he played so could be a draw in his match against Wumzdis Utd! Sounds like he scored in injury time though with his post match interview :popcorn:

No, he missed a sitter in the final seconds that would have won it. It was a bit like, "It's up for grabs now... DOH!"

[up the arse]

Anyone watch the Theo post-game interview?

Apparently got asked some interesting questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUnmYi89kmo

[Özim]

I've never been the biggest fan of Walcott but at the end of the day he's scoring pretty regularly now, so in terms of playing he has a point.

[Letters]

He should definitely start, given the other options.
He might have done better with that late chance but he never quite got it out of his feet and it wasn't easy.
Generally his finishing looks a lot better than most of the others.

[Özim]

Wenger says:

"I believe we have shown a good response to Saturday's game and you feel that the team is getting better, in on month I think we will, if we continue to develop we will be there"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20227883

Be where?

[Marc Overmars]

In pole position for the coveted 4th place trophy.

[Özim]

Oh right, so it's not 2% away from domination then?

[Alpha]

Good point . frustrating result . But a bit stressful the way we surrendered the 2 goals-lead . Bad marking , lack of awareness cost us the game . Walcott should have won it and his hesitation to pass the ball to Giroud who was in a better position robbed us a fantastic win .

[Syn]

Good point . frustrating result . But a bit stressful the way we surrendered the 2 goals-lead . Bad marking , lack of awareness cost us the game . Walcott should have won it and his hesitation to pass the ball to Giroud who was in a better position robbed us a fantastic win .

Did the same when he was clearly offside and robbed Podolski the chance to score. He's looking out for no.1 - he doesn't normally do stuff like that.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Was it a foul on Theo?

Yes, the ref was a bit of a tit.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Good point . frustrating result . But a bit stressful the way we surrendered the 2 goals-lead . Bad marking , lack of awareness cost us the game . Walcott should have won it and his hesitation to pass the ball to Giroud who was in a better position robbed us a fantastic win .

He done that vs Southampton. But it will be Girouds fault for not moving into space.

[Kano]

well, i think its fair to say that our ropey defence cost us the points last night, given we were two up. merts and verm did not play well at all.

[Özim]

Giroud doesn't need any help to mess stuff up he does a pretty good job on his own when in front of goal.

Cheeky 10 million Huntelaar bid in Jan?

[Power n Glory]

Two goals up and we're looking for a 3rd goal because the defence cocked up our lead. That is what we need to keep in perspective. It would have been fantastic if we'd have nicked the win, but it papers over the cracks. We shouldn't have been in a position where we're looking for another bail out.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Giroud doesn't need any help to mess stuff up he does a pretty good job on his own when in front of goal.

Cheeky 10 million Huntelaar bid in Jan?

Why when we can get Llorente for less who is much better or Ba.

[Özim]

Why when we can get Llorente for less who is much better or Ba.
No thanks to Ba.

Llorente we'll never get, Huntelaar is more realistic.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

But it would kill giroud.

[LDG]

Oh right, so it's not 2% away from domination then?

The more I think about it, the more I feel that Arsene Wenger is the french Del Boy, with his classic and oft hilarious, English phrases.

I think he meant "abomination".

[Olivier's xmas twist]

No thanks to Ba.

Llorente we'll never get, Huntelaar is more realistic.


He's much better then Huntelaar,. much much better. The latter is over hyped. Flopped at Milan, Flopped at Real. Heck i rather have Theo over him.

[Özim]

He's much better then Huntelaar,. much much better. The latter is over hyped. Flopped at Milan, Flopped at Real. Heck i rather have Theo over him.
:lol:

Huntelaar had a tough time at Milan yes, but so did Bergkamp (at Inter) and Henry (at Juve)....he's been amazing for Schalke, was decent for Real (didn't get much game time) and was amazing for Ajax.

He's not overhyped at all, he's a goalscorer and a very good one at that, a one chance one goal type striker who is priceless IMO.

Ba is OK but goals dry up for him, he's very hot and cold.

Huntelaar all the way for me.

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Hinterlands is going to sp*rs anyway.

[Power n Glory]

Huntelaar is a finisher but we'll need more that. We need the complete striker and that won't come cheap. They will have to mobile, strong, have quick feet and able to finish. Giroud is struggling because he's not mobile enough and tries to ghost his way into positions instead using brute force and just going direct. His movement is nowhere near quick enough and I fear that would be the same fate for Huntelaar.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Huntelaar is a finisher but we'll need more that. We need the complete striker and that won't come cheap. They will have to mobile, strong, have quick feet and able to finish. Giroud is struggling because he's not mobile enough and tries to ghost his way into positions instead using brute force and just going direct. His movement is nowhere near quick enough and I fear that would be the same fate for Huntelaar.

This, we already have a good finisher and his Name is Theo Walcott. We need him to sign that deal. We need a Llorente type striker.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:lol:

Huntelaar had a tough time at Milan yes, but so did Bergkamp (at Inter) and Henry (at Juve)....he's been amazing for Schalke, was decent for Real (didn't get much game time) and was amazing for Ajax.

He's not overhyped at all, he's a goalscorer and a very good one at that, a one chance one goal type striker who is priceless IMO.

Ba is OK but goals dry up for him, he's very hot and cold.

Huntelaar all the way for me.

Im just say if we are going to splash 10 mill on the guy, then there is better for that money. If we got him on a pre contract and he came for free at the end of the season then it would be dumb not to snap him up.

[Alpha]

Vito Manone has been outstanding for us in this absence of fans favorite Scesny whose mistakes are overlooked and easily forgiven and forgot by most people .
My aim is not to draw a comparison between the two keepers but to outline the form and the consistency of the former .
Vito has been just fantastic : good positioning , awareness and has pulled up some unbelievable saves in very hard situations . Most of goals he concedes hare down to our bad defending system .
Vito deserves some credit and will sure push and bring the best out of Wokash our no 1 ATM . Any comment ?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Vito Manone has been outstanding for us in this absence of fans favorite Scesny whose mistakes are overlooked and easily forgiven and forgot by most people .
My aim is not to draw a comparison between the two keepers but to outline the form and the consistency of the former .
Vito has been just fantastic : good positioning , awareness and has pulled up some unbelievable saves in very hard situations . Most of goals he concedes hare down to our bad defending system .
Vito deserves some credit and will sure push and bring the best out of Wokash our no 1 ATM . Any comment ?

Vito has done well, and if this Pushes Ches to be a better keeper the so be it. Like you say, Wokash is our no 1, but i think he has to earn his spot back and prove why he is.

[Ollie the Optimist]

my take on the match.

we did well imo, the last few games we have been awful, yet yesterday we seemed a lot better then previous games. yes we gave away a two goal lead but ill take a point there all day long.

thought the first half was brilliant, we seemed up for it, and a lot more settled then i have seen us for a while but just like the reading game, the goal at half time switched the momentum. we had a good chance i think to make it 3-0 (cant remember who it was) and we have to take those chances.

the second goal showed why vermaelen cant play at left back for me, hes a central defender and it showed, we need to play a full back there.
we had a chance to win it, theo has to take those chances, that really was a bad miss from a man demanding to play and play as a striker.
i have no idea what planet the ref was one, i have never seen us be allowed to play on while a player is injured then when we through on goal, stop the game. we might not have scored but that took away a golden opportunity.

overall im happy with the point, a lot of posistives from that match, esp as it is a hard match to go, however lots of improvement still to be made. but its a step in the right direction of recent weeks

[Syn]

Thought Podolski was going to get himself sent off with the way he behaved after the ref stopped play.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Thought Podolski was going to get himself sent off with the way he behaved after the ref stopped play.

it was stupid to react like that in hindsight because he could have been sent off, however the ref stopped play at a completely stupid point. it was a ridiculous decision

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Wenger says:

"I believe we have shown a good response to Saturday's game and you feel that the team is getting better, in on month I think we will, if we continue to develop we will be there"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20227883



Be where?

Come on Zimm mate, you know. . .there as in not here :doh:

[Syn]

it was stupid to react like that in hindsight because he could have been sent off, however the ref stopped play at a completely stupid point. it was a ridiculous decision

I think the reason he stopped it was because he wasn't confident in his assistant. You have to be able to tell if Podolski was really onside or whether he was onside only because the player who was down was playing him on. Unfortunate because I think there was a fair chance we'd have converted that.

[Marc Overmars]

Think it was a fair decision, frustrating but fair. I know I'd be annoyed if we conceded a goal with a player down in a heap unable to continue. The guy did have to go off so at least it wasn't the usual pretend to be hurt and bring the physio on for effect then carry on.

[Letters]

Think it was a fair decision, frustrating but fair. I know I'd be annoyed if we conceded a goal with a player down in a heap unable to continue. The guy did have to go off so at least it wasn't the usual pretend to be hurt and bring the physio on for effect then carry on.
Dunno. He fell over his own feet though. I thought it was silly stopping it. He was obviously hurt but I thought these days refs were supposed to play on unless it's a head injury.

[IBK]

I thought we looked pretty cueless throughout the match and scored very much against the run of play. They are a good team, but any team that cannot defend a 2-0 lead more convincingly will never win anything.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Thought Podolski was going to get himself sent off with the way he behaved after the ref stopped play.

If the ref sent him of he'd have been even more of a pleb, its understanable why Poldi was angry, the guy goes down before he got in the box and the ref did not stop it then. Only when he gets in a good place the ref, stopped it. Don't even think poldi deserves a booking tbh.

[fakeyank]

We can get Huntelaar, Llorente and every great striker but its of use.. why? Coz the service sucks goat balls.. all that bullshit tippy tappy can only help so much! Not one fuckin asshole is direct in the team.. if u r, AW will take him to the side and infect him with Wengeritis!

[Niall_Quinn]

Thought Podolski was going to get himself sent off with the way he behaved after the ref stopped play.

Good to see him bothered rather than laughing and joking. It will take characters like Wilshere and Podolski (and Theo if he can sustain his one man rage agaisnt the machine) to drag us through this season.

[Letters]

I thought we looked pretty cueless throughout the match and scored very much against the run of play. They are a good team, but any team that cannot defend a 2-0 lead more convincingly will never win anything.
I'm sure you'd have taken a point before the game. I know I would.
Yeah, losing a 2 goal lead is frustrating but I suspect had last night's game come on the back of a better run of form it would be viewed very differently.
It was a much better performance than many of late and a point out there is a good result.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Didn't get to see the game, but I'll happily take the point away from home.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUnmYi89kmo

Mikel Arteta, our real captain :bow:

Ghel Theo :bow:

[IBK]

I'm sure you'd have taken a point before the game. I know I would.
Yeah, losing a 2 goal lead is frustrating but I suspect had last night's game come on the back of a better run of form it would be viewed very differently.
It was a much better performance than many of late and a point out there is a good result.

I would indeed. And I take your point too. But I'm afraid that I have rather lost faith in this, or any team of Wenger's to make permanent improvements. I have said before, and I'll say it again - Wenger playes a peculiarly difficult brand of football that can be pulled off consistently only by top top quality players - the caliber of which we no longer attract or are able to pay for, or technical players at the absolute top of their game. Anything less and we struggle. This IMO is why we seem so open to loss of confidence. Normal teams have a game plan, and player roles that they can revert to even if certain, or all of the players are slightly off form - something to trust in - a parachute if you like. Our players don't have this.

Secondly - I have always felt that a successful team should first and foremmost be set up to protect its own goal - because if you can stop the other side scoring they cannot win. I know that we have traditionally not been a defensive team under Wenger, and I know also that you have to venture forwards in order to win the game yourselves. But for me it is lamentable that our players simply are not being drilled either to defend as a team, or to play in a way that avoids the continual mistakes that we are seeing in defence. It should come naturally to a team to protect a 2 goal lead. For us, all we seem to do is to stop attacking - which invites the other team onto us. Yet we remain as vulnerable as ever in defence. There are basic flaws in this team, that a moderately improved performance cannot mask.

[selassie]

We huffed and puffed and came away with a point. I thought we were 2nd best throughout TBH which didn't surprise me. Apart from the spell where we scored the 2 we looked disjointed and fairly uncomfortable at the back.

Getting out of the group wont' be easy, we absolutely have to beat Montepellier next game because I'm not confident we can go to Olympiakos and win if we need to.

[Syn]

Kinda want us to do a Liverpool and collect a couple of 2nd rate cups. Draw at home to Monty. Draw/Lose away in Greece. Finish 3rd. Watch Giroud and Gervinho (who are UEFA Cup level players) not look out of their depth, beat a bunch of stupid, recklessly attacking part-timers. Put all the focus on the league cup because Wenger's getting abused after Theo leaves for £5m to Chelsea, close that out. 4th place, 11 girls, 2 cups.

[Letters]

I would indeed. And I take your point too. But I'm afraid that I have rather lost faith in this, or any team of Wenger's to make permanent improvements. I have said before, and I'll say it again - Wenger playes a peculiarly difficult brand of football that can be pulled off consistently only by top top quality players - the caliber of which we no longer attract or are able to pay for, or technical players at the absolute top of their game. Anything less and we struggle. This IMO is why we seem so open to loss of confidence. Normal teams have a game plan, and player roles that they can revert to even if certain, or all of the players are slightly off form - something to trust in - a parachute if you like. Our players don't have this.

Secondly - I have always felt that a successful team should first and foremmost be set up to protect its own goal - because if you can stop the other side scoring they cannot win. I know that we have traditionally not been a defensive team under Wenger, and I know also that you have to venture forwards in order to win the game yourselves. But for me it is lamentable that our players simply are not being drilled either to defend as a team, or to play in a way that avoids the continual mistakes that we are seeing in defence. It should come naturally to a team to protect a 2 goal lead. For us, all we seem to do is to stop attacking - which invites the other team onto us. Yet we remain as vulnerable as ever in defence. There are basic flaws in this team, that a moderately improved performance cannot mask.
I agree with a lot of that, particularly the bit about our whole style of play relying of very good, technical players. Players which we arguably don't have enough of any more. We'll see where we are in a couple of weeks. We should win on Saturday vs Fulham (should being the operative word). The NLD will be interesting as there's not much between the sides right now but we're more than capable of winning that one. If we win those two the mood around here, and amongst fans in general, will thaw somewhat.

If we don't then I might avoid this place for a while! :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

If we win those two the mood around here, and amongst fans in general, will thaw somewhat.

No. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me three times, fool me four times, fool me five times, fool me six times, fool me seven times and I won't get fooled again. Not easily at least.

[Maestro]

If we don't then I might avoid this place for a while! :lol:

what?...and miss all the bedlam, mayem, kamikaze wrist slashing, bolshevik blood pouring, cringeworthy carnage, foolish farce, sui & homi...cidal hemorrhaging ,....that will become GW?

this will surely be the time to be on GW, be mad to miss that Letters

[milla]

No. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me three times, fool me four times, fool me five times, fool me six times, fool me seven times and I won't get fooled again. Not easily at least.

yeah but what you don't know is Wumger fooled you gazillion times already, NQ :pal:

[Özim]

No. Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me three times, fool me four times, fool me five times, fool me six times, fool me seven times and I won't get fooled again. Not easily at least.
:sulk: You got that all wrong its:

"Fool me once shame on.....shame on you............a foolme can't get fooled again!"

[Özim]

It was a much better performance than many of late and a point out there is a good result.
Not when they've come over to your place and beaten you.

[Özim]

I agree with a lot of that, particularly the bit about our whole style of play relying of very good, technical players. Players which we arguably don't have enough of any more. We'll see where we are in a couple of weeks. We should win on Saturday vs Fulham (should being the operative word). The NLD will be interesting as there's not much between the sides right now but we're more than capable of winning that one. If we win those two the mood around here, and amongst fans in general, will thaw somewhat.

If we don't then I might avoid this place for a while! :lol:
I think we can win that game because AVB is what some might call a "bumbling idiot"

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I think we can win that game because AVB is what some might call a "bumbling idiot"

:haha:

They've also got the man you call barn door i believe.

[Letters]

Not when they've come over to your place and beaten you.
They beat us at home and yet not getting beaten away isn't a good result? :blink:

[GP]

They beat us at home and yet not getting beaten away isn't a good result? :blink:

Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.

[Xhaka Can’t]

They beat us at home and yet not getting beaten away isn't a good result? :blink:

It is a good result albeit a meaningless result because no team playing like that belongs in the CL let alone has a chance of even competing as a potential contender. Our play was awful - we had no composure and were incapable organising ourselves not to get over-run all over the pitch - and the worst thing about this is, it is not an anomaly, it is par for the course these days.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Kevin Bacon wasn't in Footloose.

4

[Gervinho's Forehead]

4

Uh huh.

[Özim]

They beat us at home and yet not getting beaten away isn't a good result? :blink:
Not great no as we should really have beaten them at home, the fact we didn't reflects badly on us really. With that in mind (and dropped points at home) we should have gone out there and made up for it by winning.

[Marc Overmars]

They're a better team than us.

[Kano]

I agree with a lot of that, particularly the bit about our whole style of play relying of very good, technical players. Players which we arguably don't have enough of any more. We'll see where we are in a couple of weeks. We should win on Saturday vs Fulham (should being the operative word). The NLD will be interesting as there's not much between the sides right now but we're more than capable of winning that one. If we win those two the mood around here, and amongst fans in general, will thaw somewhat.

If we don't then I might avoid this place for a while! :lol:
I think we have good enough technical players in our front six to maintain the fourth place trophy but we don't have a manager that can manage them well enough. sure, they are no cescs and rvps but ability wise as good as any other team aiming for fourth.

the problem is through all the bonds that need to be forged, injuries, misplaced trust in some players form and persisting with odd systems with players out of position etc then it will undermine the season and this time, we don't have a goal machine to bail us out.

as MO alludes to above, the 'team' will not be good enough, as a unit.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not great no as we should really have beaten them at home, the fact we didn't reflects badly on us really. With that in mind (and dropped points at home) we should have gone out there and made up for it by winning.

Its not like its easy to go to their ground and win, even Barca Struggled to beat Celtic away and just about beat them at home. Yes we should have done better at home, but we have no right to expect a win at their place. Cl is not as easy as it use to be.

[Marc Overmars]

I think we have good enough technical players in our front six to maintain the fourth place trophy but we don't have a manager that can manage them well enough. sure, they are no cescs and rvps but ability wise as good as any other team aiming for fourth.

the problem is through all the bonds that need to be forged, injuries, misplaced trust in some players form and persisting with odd systems with players out of position etc then it will undermine the season and this time, we don't have a goal machine to bail us out.

as MO alludes to above, the 'team' will not be good enough, as a unit.

We'll keep on struggling to find an understanding and rhythm every year because the heart of the team is always ripped out.

[Letters]

Not great no as we should really have beaten them at home, the fact we didn't reflects badly on us really. With that in mind (and dropped points at home) we should have gone out there and made up for it by winning.
Before the game I'm sure you thought we'd lose.
We don't and you dismiss it.
We should have won but a point is a pretty good result against a side who looked a lot better than us at our place. If they look better than us when they're away then how the hell is it not a good result to get a better result away from home?

:doh:

[Cripps_orig]

Cos we probably should have beaten them at home

Schalke are a decent side but no higher than 3rd tier in European football imo.

Them beating us was an upset. We should have rectified that mistake at their place and didnt and the way we didnt makes it worse. Losing a 2 goal lead just showed up all of our mental weakness

1 point in 2 games v Schalke, a team we should be getting 4+ from is shocking

[Marc Overmars]

Cos we probably should have beaten them at home

Schalke are a decent side but no higher than 3rd tier in European football imo.


Neither are we tbh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Cos we probably should have beaten them at home

Schalke are a decent side but no higher than 3rd tier in European football imo.

Them beating us was an upset. We should have rectified that mistake at their place and didnt and the way we didnt makes it worse. Losing a 2 goal lead just showed up all of our mental weakness

1 point in 2 games v Schalke, a team we should be getting 4+ from is shocking

Who really cares as long as we qualify thats the name of the game.

End of the day our team is shite and its stupid to expect to go there and get 3 points cause they beat us at home it does not work like that.

They beat Dortmund in the game before they played us, so id hadly say they are a bad side.

Its about getting out the group, if we don't then that result you could say cost us, right now i don't see the problem with it.

[Cripps_orig]

Neither are we tbh.

A fair point but we as Wenger so often likes to point out have been in the CL 47 million years in a row so we should be beating cannon fodder like this.

Fact is we arent. Its not only in the league we are a bit shit. Its also in the CL and we havent moved on at all to the next level in the CL level.

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe

[Cripps_orig]

Who really cares as long as we qualify thats the name of the game.

End of the day our team is shite and its stupid to expect to go there and get 3 points cause they beat us at home it does not work like that.

Its about getting out the group, if we don't then that result you could say cost us, right now i don;t see the problem with it.

Arsenal fans i imagine

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Arsenal fans i imagine

Yeah and if we Qualify, they'd not give a shit about those 2 games.

[Cripps_orig]

Yeah and if we Qualify, they'd not give a shit about those 2 games.

If we finish 2nd and we get one of the big guns meaning certain elimination then yes they will.

Its a piss easy group.

Any other team who has been in the CL as long as us would expect a comfortable 6 wins out of 6

We have Wenger

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Before the game I'm sure you thought we'd lose.
We don't and you dismiss it.
We should have won but a point is a pretty good result against a side who looked a lot better than us at our place. If they look better than us when they're away then how the hell is it not a good result to get a better result away from home?

:doh:

Pretty much.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If we finish 2nd and we get one of the big guns meaning certain elimination then yes they will.

Its a piss easy group.

Any other team who has been in the CL as long as us would expect a comfortable 6 wins out of 6

We have Wenger

Thats a if, or who we draw, don't really see no big teams on top of the groups right now, so we may be better off to finish 2nd.

And if you draw the big teams you draw the big team. you have to play them at some point.

[Özim]

Thats a if, or who we draw, don't really see no big teams on top of the groups right now, so we may be better off to finish 2nd.

And if you draw the big teams you draw the big team. you have to play them at some point.True but we'd rather lose later rather than in the next round which we will if we play a decent side.

[Özim]

Before the game I'm sure you thought we'd lose.
We don't and you dismiss it.
We should have won but a point is a pretty good result against a side who looked a lot better than us at our place. If they look better than us when they're away then how the hell is it not a good result to get a better result away from home?

:doh:
That's the problem though isn't it, you accept mediocrity I don't and haven't for years. We're a big club and as Cripps says these guys should be cannon fodder for us, having lost at home we should have made up for it away. Over two games we got one point out of 6...awful result!

[Özim]

Neither are we tbh.
Thing is though in terms of financial muscle we're top tier pretty much, it's just we have a 3rd tier manager dragging us down with schoolboy tactics, ridiculous policies and an inability to learn and stubborn streak never seen in the history of football.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

True but we'd rather lose later rather than in the next round which we will if we play a decent side.

Yeah your right i guess.

[Kano]

A fair point but we as Wenger so often likes to point out have been in the CL 47 million years in a row so we should be beating cannon fodder like this.

Fact is we arent. Its not only in the league we are a bit shit. Its also in the CL and we havent moved on at all to the next level in the CL level.

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe
historically you'd be right about schalke but on current form (that has been improving year on year) they are a very good side. as they are right now i'd put them in a second tier ability and performance wise, so using the same way to judge arsenal, we'd be a third tier right now. we've been in the cl a very long time and should have a better standing in it but we don't, we've never risen above being second tier.

i think you would be right to say that teams in the knockout round would want to draw us given our history but i'm not sure its fact most teams wanted us in their group. regardless of what wenger or anyone else thinks about our qualifying record it means we would be seen as serious contenders to grab one of the spots in a group. given we were in the top section of teams everyone outside that would expect a struggle to get through if in our group - as we are seeing now. we're playing poorly and still holding second.

granted, we'll go out very quickly once out of the group, but thats not my point.

[Letters]

Any other team who has been in the CL as long as us would expect a comfortable 6 wins out of 6Like Barca? :lol:

[Letters]

The fact every team in pot 2, 3 and 4 wanted Arsenal from Pot 1 speaks volumes of how we are seen in Europe
You can't argue with made up facts like that.

[Letters]

That's the problem though isn't it, you accept mediocrity
We finished 3rd last year. You need to look up mediocre.

We're looking poor at the moment. In the context of recent form, and Shalke beating us at our place, getting a point out there was a good result and one that you'd have taken before the game. We got one (admittedly letting a 2 goal lead slip which was disappointing - but at least we didn't go on to lose, in fact we might have won it at the death) and you moan your moany tits off :shrug:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You can't argue with made up facts like that.


Like Barca? :lol:

Just rememeber the wum your replying to :coffee: