Ozil out with knee injury for up to 12 weeks

[up the arse]

careful what you wish for..............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29537980

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Dear god .......


This is beyond a joke now.

[mr_brighterside]

oh dear.

I'm willing to play if called upon

[Injury Time]

careful what you wish for..............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29537980

Do keep up
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=528&page=59

Yes we do have a dedicated injuries thread, and yes it's 60 pages long! :crying:

[up the arse]

Dear god .......


This is beyond a joke now.

you really couldn't make this shit up!

[fakeyank]

At least this ensures that Wenger will play the best XI available. Unfortunately its come down to the only 11 players remaining for us to get our combination right!

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

We don't need Cesc :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Bumble]

this is diabys chance to make a name for himself.... I am sure we can count on him to step up.

[Munchies]

If this means we'll have :

Santi in the middle

Some pace on the wings

Then oh well

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

this is diabys chance to make a name for himself.... I am sure we can count on him to step up.

:haha:

[Bumble]

If this means we'll have :

Santi in the middle

Some pace on the wings

Then oh well
only worry is that there will be even less rotation than we already have which means the players are more likely to get injured, but I am sure we strengthen in January

[Power n Glory]

How many full 90 minute games did Ozil play before picking up that injury? He picked it up against Chelsea and he should have been taken off. No idea what's going on with this club. Two fitnesses coaches and we're even worse off than before.

[Injury Time]

If this means we'll have :

Santi in the middle

Some pace on the wings

Then oh well
Until the refs let him get kicked out of the game little bit...

[Chippy]

Dear god .......


This is beyond a joke now.
Wenger out, Physio (who I am sure is Harold Shipman) out.

[Penguin]

Shad Forsythe :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Could it be that we've seen the last of Ozil in an Arsenal shirt?

[Munchies]

Shad Forsythe :bow:

As MO said

Shad Fraudsythe :haha:

[Munchies]

Could it be that we've seen the last of Ozil in an Arsenal shirt?

Honestly wouldn't really mind.

Draxler ?

[Xhaka Can’t]

I was also going to ask if anyone other than NQ would care.

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29319599

Worth a try.

[fakeyank]

Could it be that we've seen the last of Ozil in an Arsenal shirt?

Inshahallah this comes true :pray:

[Niall_Quinn]

I was also going to ask if anyone other than NQ would care.

We can give up any hope of joining the top ranks if that happens. It will send out a loud and clear message that Arsenal is not the place for the star names to come. And it will only give encouragement to the media hacks who have had an agenda to sabotage him since the day he signed. Ozil is easily the most talented, naturally gifted player we have. Slap Wenger in the head and get him to use the player properly, or get a manager in who can pick a team based on the strengths of the players available and that would quickly become evident. Even so, I have a nasty feeling we'll take a massive leap backwards in January. Wenger screwed up beyond all reason with his decision to shun our player Fabregas. No reason why he can't make an even bigger mistake with Ozil.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I wish it was 3 months, then in January we can flog him for £35 Mill to Bayern, I would drive him to Bavaria myself. Wenger's most expensive panic buy. Lets now play with 11 men and win some games and climb up that damn table.

[mastermind84]

http://i.imgur.com/WlCEZnM.png

[mastermind84]

Wumger's time is up. I hope its his last year. I hope he does the honorable thing and resign.

[fakeyank]

We can give up any hope of joining the top ranks if that happens. It will send out a loud and clear message that Arsenal is not the place for the star names to come. And it will only give encouragement to the media hacks who have had an agenda to sabotage him since the day he signed. Ozil is easily the most talented, naturally gifted player we have. Slap Wenger in the head and get him to use the player properly, or get a manager in who can pick a team based on the strengths of the players available and that would quickly become evident. Even so, I have a nasty feeling we'll take a massive leap backwards in January. Wenger screwed up beyond all reason with his decision to shun our player Fabregas. No reason why he can't make an even bigger mistake with Ozil.

Its either him or Wenger. Who do you think will be pushed out the door first? He did the same thing with Arshavin and look how Wumger destroyed his career at Arsenal..

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Honestly wouldn't really mind.

Draxler ?

I was reminded of wanting him when I saw Eden Hazard solider boy his way through the core of our midfield and defence to win his pen. Draxler was incidentally a simillar thorn in Chelsea's backside in the CL.

I don't really get why anyone can call this good news though and our fortune with injuries it bitterly woeful. We need to find whatever witch/warlock cursed us and push them off a cliff lest we suffer this indefinitely.

[Harland]

I was reminded of wanting him when I saw Eden Hazard solider boy his way through the core of our midfield and defence to win his pen. Draxler was incidentally a simillar thorn in Chelsea's backside in the CL.

I don't really get why anyone can call this good news though and our fortune with injuries it bitterly woeful. We need to find whatever witch/warlock cursed us and push them off a cliff lest we suffer this indefinitely.
The witch or warlock should replace flamini and arteta as our midfield enforcers tbh.

[Harland]

The witch or warlock should replace flamini and arteta as our midfield enforcers tbh.
Good post Sir, #Wengerout #Harlandin

[Harland]

Good post Sir, #Wengerout #Harlandin
Thank you too Sir! I appreciate the compliment. You're a pretty smart chap as well!

[Letters]

I'll just leave this here...

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f395/wrdrichard/Arsenal_zps3e1781db.png

[PGFC]

:lol:

[Maestro]

http://i.imgur.com/WlCEZnM.png

Ian Wright?

[Power n Glory]

Kos has been sent back from training with France. An Achilles problem. Fantastic.

[Niall_Quinn]

Easy run of games coming up - but no players. Not so easy then. Thanks France. I guess the other nations will chip in to finish off our squad over the next few days. They can always be relied upon.

[Özim]

I was also going to ask if anyone other than NQ would care.

The guy is top class if played in the right role under the right manager, it seems neither is the case at the moment.

It's shocking how we've turned a player as good as he is into what we've seen. I was over the moon when we signed him, I never expected us to get so little out of him.

[Power n Glory]

The guy is top class if played in the right role under the right manager, it seems neither is the case at the moment.

It's shocking how we've turned a player as good as he is into what we've seen. I was over the moon when we signed him, I never expected us to get so little out of him.

I'm not even sure this is totally our doing. Maybe he didn't want to leave Madrid and has been in a funk ever since. He just never got going. In the middle or out on the wing. He's not even playing that well for Germany and was shifted out to the wing for them in the World Cup.

[fakeyank]

I'm not even sure this is totally our doing. Maybe he didn't want to leave Madrid and has been in a funk ever since. He just never got going. In the middle or out on the wing. He's not even playing that well for Germany and was shifted out to the wing for them in the World Cup.

:gp:

While I will take any and every opportunity to show why Wenger is incompetent as a top manager, I genuinely do think that Ozil just 'doesnt like it' here at Arsenal and Wenger doesnt have much to do with his demise. I understand he is laid back with his style of play but he just looks plastic and seems to be moving through the motions. Nothing irritates me more than seeing a person not give a damn about the shirt.. If you lose, then lose but done lose without giving a F***!

[Niall_Quinn]

It's hilarious watching some of our fans buying into the media myth. The facts will have to be changed to suit the storyline I guess.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/mesut_özil/126/64/123/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/aaron_ramsey/126/64/377/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/santiago_cazorla/126/64/311/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/jack_wilshere/126/64/378/0/p#total_score/total_passes/pass_completion/key_passes/assists/chances_created/goals_scored/successful_take_ons_%#avg

Ozil has been one of our best players - even though he's being played out of position most of the time. True, he's not Vinnie Jones or Graeme Souness, so sell him, he's shit.

[Munchies]

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/ad_148344879.jpg?w=644&h=481&crop=1#038;h=747

[Bumble]

It's hilarious watching some of our fans buying into the media myth. The facts will have to be changed to suit the storyline I guess.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/mesut_özil/126/64/123/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/aaron_ramsey/126/64/377/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/santiago_cazorla/126/64/311/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/jack_wilshere/126/64/378/0/p#total_score/total_passes/pass_completion/key_passes/assists/chances_created/goals_scored/successful_take_ons_%#avg

Ozil has been one of our best players - even though he's being played out of position most of the time. True, he's not Vinnie Jones or Graeme Souness, so sell him, he's shit.

Graeme Souness would actually be a good signing for us (well when he was playing football as opposed to now).

[Özim]

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/ad_148344879.jpg?w=644&h=481&crop=1#038;h=747

That's called pulling a sicky, it's what people do when they're not happy in a job and can't be arsed :lol:

[selassie]

Kos has been sent back from training with France. An Achilles problem. Fantastic.

He has been carrying this Achilles problem all season and we have been trying to manage it. What worries me is that he could have a breakdown and that will be it, he'll be out for a long time.

We are in a right mess in Defence, it's absolutely nuts.

[Power n Glory]

He has been carrying this Achilles problem all season and we have been trying to manage it. What worries me is that he could have a breakdown and that will be it, he'll be out for a long time.

We are in a right mess in Defence, it's absolutely nuts.

I remember that. We rushed him back for the opening game or something like that. It's a joke. Something needs to change with our fitness staff. They are an embarrassment.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

If that graphic is true then it's a joke. Zero injuries in his three years are Madrid and suddenly he's perpetually off.

[Letters]

Perpetually? He played in 40 games last year, out of 54 (I'm not including the league cup)

[fakeyank]

Since he operates at 20% at every one of our games, that 40 games equals 8 games in real footballers life

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Hard to believe he didn't miss a single day due to injury for Real but it is telling nevertheless.

It's a curse....there's no other explanation. On the bright side we might have Theo, Arteta and Rambo back for our next game....

[Maestro]

spud shirts under that emirates turf

[Letters]

Since he operates at 20% at every one of our games, that 40 games equals 8 games in real footballers life
Yeah. Probably best to ignore the stats NQ posted.

[mastermind84]

:gp:

While I will take any and every opportunity to show why Wenger is incompetent as a top manager, I genuinely do think that Ozil just 'doesnt like it' here at Arsenal and Wenger doesnt have much to do with his demise. I understand he is laid back with his style of play but he just looks plastic and seems to be moving through the motions. Nothing irritates me more than seeing a person not give a damn about the shirt.. If you lose, then lose but done lose without giving a F***!
the 3 matches before, Ozil was actually excellent.

Arsene really needs into throw Jack into the bushes or have him sit really deep so that he doesnt get involved with the attack. (altho Santi is better than him there too)

[Maestro]

What a star, the only player with his own injury thread

[Xhaka Can’t]

The ultimate insult to Diaby.

[LDG]

The ultimate insult to Diaby.

Diaby is made of skittles.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Do we need Cesc yet?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

No. Wenget says we have Özil who can play there.

Oh wait....

:haha:

[fakeyank]

Yeah. Probably best to ignore the stats NQ posted.

:lol:

You are going to give me those stats to prove that he actually puts in a shift? Fine.. lets play the stats game with the very same link NQ provided. I just changed some of the stats that were showing what a 'glorious' signing he has been to show the negative parts of him as an Arsenal player. Dont believe me? Here you go:

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/mesut_özil/126/64/123/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/aaron_ramsey/126/64/377/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/santiago_cazorla/126/64/311/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/jack_wilshere/126/64/378/0/p#attack_score/total_backward_passes/defence_score/total_shots/avg_pass_length/errors_leading_to_goal/goals_from_set_pieces/tackles_lost#avg

[Letters]

I literally have no idea what 'attack score' and 'defence score' mean. All you've done is gone through and looked for stats where he's worse off and posted those. And I have no idea what 'average pass length' is supposed to show.
NQ's stats are actually relevant to the job he's supposed to be doing. Yours aren't, apart from possibly 'attack score' but as I don't know what that means and how it's calculated I can't really sensibly comment.

[Bumble]

Do you think he will be sold in January?

I do think if you spend £40m+ on a play you build the team round them.

[Power n Glory]

I literally have no idea what 'attack score' and 'defence score' mean. All you've done is gone through and looked for stats where he's worse off and posted those. And I have no idea what 'average pass length' is supposed to show.
NQ's stats are actually relevant to the job he's supposed to be doing. Yours aren't, apart from possibly 'attack score' but as I don't know what that means and how it's calculated I can't really sensibly comment.

It's a handy tool and we can do this all day. Let's just compare Ozil to our rivals top playmakers this season. It's not pretty.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/cesc_f%C3%A0bregas/126/126/306/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/mesut_%C3%B6zil/126/126/123/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/david_silva/126/126/308/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/%C3%A1ngel_di_mar%C3%ADa/126/126/1846/0/p#goals_scored/assists/key_passes/chances_created/pass_completion/total_shots/tackles_won/interceptions/successful_take_ons#total

[AFC Leveller]

It's a handy tool and we can do this all day. Let's just compare Ozil to our rivals top playmakers this season. It's not pretty.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/cesc_f%C3%A0bregas/126/126/306/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/mesut_%C3%B6zil/126/126/123/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/david_silva/126/126/308/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/%C3%A1ngel_di_mar%C3%ADa/126/126/1846/0/p#goals_scored/assists/key_passes/chances_created/pass_completion/total_shots/tackles_won/interceptions/successful_take_ons#total

If you compare Ozil's stats when he was at Real madrid with Cesc's in 2012/2013, you'll see what the real Ozil is about. He is flopping because of the system, the league intensity and the manager.

[Power n Glory]

If you compare Ozil's stats when he was at Real madrid with Cesc's in 2012/2013, you'll see what the real Ozil is about. He is flopping because of the system, the league intensity and the manager.

I don't doubt that. He was different player to what we have now.

[fakeyank]

NQ's stats are actually relevant to the job he's supposed to be doing

That is your perspective on it. I do not believe his stats prove he is doing a good job OR more importantly prove that he actually gives a F about putting on the shirt. He can have ability along the likes of Ronaldo and Messi, but if he floats around the field looking disinterested, I dont want him in my team. I'd rather have a Coquelin start ahead of him, if that means Coquelin puts in a shift.

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol:

You are going to give me those stats to prove that he actually puts in a shift? Fine.. lets play the stats game with the very same link NQ provided. I just changed some of the stats that were showing what a 'glorious' signing he has been to show the negative parts of him as an Arsenal player. Dont believe me? Here you go:

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/mesut_özil/126/64/123/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/aaron_ramsey/126/64/377/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/santiago_cazorla/126/64/311/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/jack_wilshere/126/64/378/0/p#attack_score/total_backward_passes/defence_score/total_shots/avg_pass_length/errors_leading_to_goal/goals_from_set_pieces/tackles_lost#avg

You've just demonstrated he's not a defender. We already knew that though.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's a handy tool and we can do this all day. Let's just compare Ozil to our rivals top playmakers this season. It's not pretty.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2014/2015/cesc_f%C3%A0bregas/126/126/306/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/mesut_%C3%B6zil/126/126/123/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/david_silva/126/126/308/0/p|premier_league/2014/2015/%C3%A1ngel_di_mar%C3%ADa/126/126/1846/0/p#goals_scored/assists/key_passes/chances_created/pass_completion/total_shots/tackles_won/interceptions/successful_take_ons#total

Nothing like the same as a season of stats set against the players who are supposedly doing a day's work while Ozil is supposedly stealing a living. You guys are reaching so hard it's a wraparound. People who are claiming Ozil is lazy and a shirker don't have a leg to stand on when the facts are taken into account. On the other hand, if the yardstick is media myths then fair enough - stealing a living.

[Power n Glory]

Nothing like the same as a season of stats set against the players who are supposedly doing a day's work while Ozil is supposedly stealing a living. You guys are reaching so hard it's a wraparound. People who are claiming Ozil is lazy and a shirker don't have a leg to stand on when the facts are taken into account. On the other hand, if the yardstick is media myths then fair enough - stealing a living.

Wilshere and Cazorla weren't good last season. You won't find many on here that will argue otherwise. Jack was getting slated last season and Cazorla was getting a bit of stick too. That comparison doesn't work.

Compare Ozil's stats to the rest of the top midfielders in the league and he doesn't stand out as one of the world's best playmakers. Ramsey was by far our best midfield player and it's worth taking a good look at those defensive stats. Ozil has the lowest numbers in the defensive area and that's where this lazy tag comes from. Also, what he offers on attack isn't enough to completely bypass his defensive duties. He doesn't top any of the categories. He has one more assist than Ramsey and half the goals but look at Ramsey's defensive contribution. This is fact. If defending isn't part of his game, he has to at least be an absolute beast on attack and he isn't. This isn't media myth. It's funny, today in another thread we've been talking about Dennis Bergkamp and your talking as if we haven't seen the very best at this club.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/mesut_%C3%B6zil/126/64/123/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/aaron_ramsey/126/64/377/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/david_silva/126/64/308/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/yaya_tour%C3%A9/126/64/555/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/eden_hazard/126/64/454/0/p#assists/pass_completion/chances_created/total_shots/goals_scored/tackles_won/interceptions#total

[fakeyank]

Wilshere and Cazorla weren't good last season. You won't find many on here that will argue otherwise. Jack was getting slated last season and Cazorla was getting a bit of stick too. That comparison doesn't work.

Compare Ozil's stats to the rest of the top midfielders in the league and he doesn't stand out as one of the world's best playmakers. Ramsey was by far our best midfield player and it's worth taking a good look at those defensive stats. Ozil has the lowest numbers in the defensive area and that's where this lazy tag comes from. Also, what he offers on attack isn't enough to completely bypass his defensive duties. He doesn't top any of the categories. He has one more assist than Ramsey and half the goals but look at Ramsey's defensive contribution. This is fact. If defending isn't part of his game, he has to at least be an absolute beast on attack and he isn't. This isn't media myth. It's funny, today in another thread we've been talking about Dennis Bergkamp and your talking as if we haven't seen the very best at this club.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#premier_league/2013/2014/mesut_%C3%B6zil/126/64/123/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/aaron_ramsey/126/64/377/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/david_silva/126/64/308/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/yaya_tour%C3%A9/126/64/555/0/p|premier_league/2013/2014/eden_hazard/126/64/454/0/p#assists/pass_completion/chances_created/total_shots/goals_scored/tackles_won/interceptions#total

:gp:

For the hype and hoopla created around this 'genius', we deserve better stats than that. He stands out as 'slightly' better among a bad bunch, and he is automatically good?! If we wanted a 10 million worth of midfielder, we might as well have got a 10 million quid player. Ozil was a player we did not need (and still do not need), but was brought in because Wenger was caught napping (as usual) in last years transfer window.
I remember watching him for Madrid and he was quick and always looked strong on the ball. At Arsenal, he looks lethargic at best. He probably feels that he deserves a better team. Whatever it is, all I care about from the team is that they show some fight and I do not see anything in Ozil signifying 'fight'.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's the thing, with both of you and others like you. Nobody is saying he's been a 'genius'. Not many, if any, have claimed he's been performing like one of the world's best playmakers. But the media has taken his solid performances, if not spectacular but just as good as anyone else on the team, and turned that into "stealing a living", lazy, non-committed, etc. And some fans have jumped right onto that bandwagon despite all the evidence to the contrary. Some are now saying they hope he's sold. Of course that's idiotic beyond comprehension, for many reason - some on-field and others off it. There's such a myopic fervour that's struck the likely suspects they don't even milk the "Wenger playing him out of position" udder (which is usually the gift that keeps on giving). It's shitty when our own fans start doing the media's job for them.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's funny, today in another thread we've been talking about Dennis Bergkamp and your talking as if we haven't seen the very best at this club.

You said "your" :haha:

[Kano]

The thing is, in terms of distance covered, Ozil had the third highest total in our team until Feb/Mar when he went out injured for 6/7 weeks.

Giroud also had a 'lazy' tag last season. But he was top of the pile when it came to our club. You would assume Ramsey or Flamini perhaps but nope, it was Giroud.

Unless Ozil is running round like a good old Englishman, giving it so real 'effort' and proper 'spirit' then he's just tagged as lazy.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Stats. :haha:

Özil has been sub-par for however long now in our shirt.

No need to draw up meaningless stats to try and prove otherwise.

[Xhaka Can’t]

My tag for him would be 'mediocre'. While you shouldn't judge a player by how much was paid for him - in this instance you can't help it - at least I can't. By that measure, he is a massive disappointment.

What is even worse though, is that we have seen, elsewhere, that his is capable of much more than mediocre and we just aren't getting it. By that measure too, he is a massive disappointment.

He is the perfect illustration of why this Club can't and won't be able to compete with the likes of City and Chelsea on a sustained basis. We blow £42m on a player, our opportunity cost is precisely £42m. City and admittedly now, to a lesser extent, Chelsea, don't need to worry about trifling measures such as opportunity cost. If they spend £42m and it doesn't work out, they just go and keep on spending £42m on a player until it does work out.

We will never be able to do it, which is why we need to be so much smarter with our resources. In this instance we have been incredibly stupid. We either picked the wrong player, or we are playing him wrong, which is yet another massive disappointment.

Like my face.

[Power n Glory]

That's the thing, with both of you and others like you. Nobody is saying he's been a 'genius'. Not many, if any, have claimed he's been performing like one of the world's best playmakers. But the media has taken his solid performances, if not spectacular but just as good as anyone else on the team, and turned that into "stealing a living", lazy, non-committed, etc. And some fans have jumped right onto that bandwagon despite all the evidence to the contrary. Some are now saying they hope he's sold. Of course that's idiotic beyond comprehension, for many reason - some on-field and others off it. There's such a myopic fervour that's struck the likely suspects they don't even milk the "Wenger playing him out of position" udder (which is usually the gift that keeps on giving). It's shitty when our own fans start doing the media's job for them.

:doh:

This Ozil situation gets dragged up so much because guys like you want to drag up stats and keep talking as if there isn't a problem and it just adds to the scrutiny.

Example, if anyone on here decided to drag up Ramsey's stats for this year and attempted to argue that he's performing anywhere close to how he was performing last season, I'd be right here disputing it and saying you're mad. But it's generally accepted that he's under-performing so we don't get such long drawn out debates on here.

[Munchies]

My tag for him would be 'mediocre'. While you shouldn't judge a player by how much was paid for him - in this instance you can't help it - at least I can't. By that measure, he is a massive disappointment.

What is even worse though, is that we have seen, elsewhere, that his is capable of much more than mediocre and we just aren't getting it. By that measure too, he is a massive disappointment.

He is the perfect illustration of why this Club can't and won't be able to compete with the likes of City and Chelsea on a sustained basis. We blow £42m on a player, our opportunity cost is precisely £42m. City and admittedly now, to a lesser extent, Chelsea, don't need to worry about trifling measures such as opportunity cost. If they spend £42m and it doesn't work out, they just go and keep on spending £42m on a player until it does work out.

We will never be able to do it, which is why we need to be so much smarter with our resources. In this instance we have been incredibly stupid. We either picked the wrong player, or we are playing him wrong, which is yet another massive disappointment.

Like my face.

:gp:

[Letters]

meaningless stats.
:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

But it's generally accepted that he's under-performing so we don't get such long drawn out debates on here.

We also don't get calls for Ramsey to be sold or accusations he's stealing a living. Regarding Ozil, it is generally accepted he's not performing to the levels he's capable of. But he's certainly not lazy and certainly doesn't stand out as a particularly poor performer when measured against the other players in the squad. That's the myth the media and some of the genuinely lazy fans run (or sort of trudge) with. Nothing wrong with fans observing he's not performing to the levels we have seen him display at other clubs, plenty wrong with them then leaping to easily disprovable conclusions. Even worse listening to some hoping one of our best players gets sold. But we know, a run of form from any player and he's the next best thing to the fair-weather fans, and vice versa.

[Niall_Quinn]

The German playmaker tweeted: 'Thanks for your support following my injury. I'll come back on the pitch soon as I can to help #AFC. Now and in the future #MiaSanArsenal.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2791405/mesut-ozil-hoping-pitch-soon-ruled-three-months.html#ixzz3G3wHK36j

This following on from the fantasy musings of Rob 'the twat' Shitturd in the Daily Man Utd who exclusively revealed Ozil is off to Bayern, the gypos are after Messi and 101 other made up column stuffers. #stealingaliving

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Unfortunately I don't think the arguments of his supposed lethargy or disinterest are at all necessary to convey a reasonable argument for him flattering to deceive.

I think his style of play makes him prone to such titles that we have long been opposed to on this Island, but again it is not a necessary angle and we certainly didn't pay the gold for his defensive capabilities. He does need to offer something of a return though and I suspect Wenger's reticence to dropping him has something to do with the fact he is patently aware he has been playing him out of position.

I know NQ doesn't like any praise of City players as do many others here, but I agree with AFC Lev's observation of Silva. When I watch him, he usually cuts the figure of a play maker who's powers I long to see over the Arsenal. He has a knack of finding space for himself (much like Ozil) but also constantly works angles to put his team mates through on goal too. He is incredibly difficult to subdue over a 90 minutes and because of it, nobody will give much thought to what he does when he is running back or how little defensive prowess he has. He is an Arsenal player really....and pretty much a more polished reliable version of what Rosicky once was.....though not as tenacious defending.

Kompany is an Arsenal player if I ever saw one and Wenger should have moved mountains to sign him years ago. Fantastic on the field ability wise, leads vocally as well as by example without having to racially abuse folk, shag team mates wives or spit in peoples faces.....and exemplary off the field. This is not just to wind up NQ either.

The pitchforks will be allayed a little whilst Nemo's out and we can all sharpen them for Wilshere and Ramsey once more and yell about how much we should sell the both before they lose all their milk teeth.

[Niall_Quinn]

If they played for us I'd agree. As it it, they don't, so they are cunts. Cut and dried and pretty obvious.

[Power n Glory]

We also don't get calls for Ramsey to be sold or accusations he's stealing a living. Regarding Ozil, it is generally accepted he's not performing to the levels he's capable of. But he's certainly not lazy and certainly doesn't stand out as a particularly poor performer when measured against the other players in the squad. That's the myth the media and some of the genuinely lazy fans run (or sort of trudge) with. Nothing wrong with fans observing he's not performing to the levels we have seen him display at other clubs, plenty wrong with them then leaping to easily disprovable conclusions. Even worse listening to some hoping one of our best players gets sold. But we know, a run of form from any player and he's the next best thing to the fair-weather fans, and vice versa.

The other players in the squad aren't rated as the world's best playmakers so saying he's doing no worse than the rest doesn't help. We bought him to lead the way, not to get lost in the crowd with average performances.

You admit and accept that he's not performing as should, so I don't get all the fuss. You don't recall some folks saying Wilshere should be sold? It wouldn't be far fetched for calls for Ramsey to be sold prior to last season either. That's what happens on here often and it's not as if people need to be lead by the media. What was your take on the Arshavin situation? Was he underperforming or were we all brainwashed by the media? I don't recall you jumping to his defence in this same way if I recall correctly.

You put way too much stock into the crap that the media write as if the fans on here aren't already skeptical of their stories. In a lot of cases, they're playing catch up and react to what fans are saying. We're still waiting for them to get off this 'winning ugly' talk as if we're still playing beautiful and entertaining football. Most of the Ozil flack, their finding on social media and forums and just trying to spin a buck.

[Globalgunner]

Ozil isn't our main problem. He was never going to be the missing link in a team that was not exactly crying out for a player of his ilk when he was bought. His talent is without doubt. So what is the problem, are we just scapegoating here. If we hadn't bought him, no doubt we would have been berating another player, most likely Wilshere for smoking or Ramsey for deliberately busting up his knee. We all know what the problem at Arsenal is. If our manager was handling the Brazil team of 1970. He would likely play Pele at RB and Jairzinho in goal.
Ozil is a no 10 plays directly behind the front man a la Bergkamp. He doesn't even play in the same role as Fabregas, who is more deep lying. A Sunday league manager knows those 2 could play in the same team but with a capable CDM and not with Wilshere and Ramsey at the same time. Thanks to Liverpool, we are coming 4th. We just need to wait it out like a man whose 22year sentence has 2 to go.

[Munchies]

Mesut Ozil accused of cheating on girlfriend Mandy Capristo with Melanie Rickinger by ex-Bayern Munich player Christian Lell

Seems legit. She deleted all of their pics on her site :lol:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/15/article-2794077-223F8CB400000578-362_308x226.jpg

MesutLAD :bow:

[Munchies]

fucking hell

new interview with wenger out

he was told that Ozil heard his knee crack and give way

he carried on playing him

Wow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2794307/mesut-ozil-heard-crack-left-knee-against-chelsea-reveals-arsene-wenger.html

[Injury Time]

fucking hell

new interview with wenger out

he was told that Ozil heard his knee crack and give way

he carried on playing him

Wow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2794307/mesut-ozil-heard-crack-left-knee-against-chelsea-reveals-arsene-wenger.html
:redcard:

[Power n Glory]

That's a poor management. How was he allowed to complete 90 minutes when he had that information? He could see Ozil wasn't playing well but took off Jack, Santi and Sanchez. Senseless. I though he was keeping Ozil so he doesn't lose confidence.

[Marc Overmars]

He's got to keep his favourites on the pitch.

[Globalgunner]

Seems legit. She deleted all of their pics on her site :lol:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/15/article-2794077-223F8CB400000578-362_308x226.jpg

MesutLAD :bow:

A man once told me that even when you're dating Miss World. You'll still be angling to get the runner-up`s phone number.

[fakeyank]

That's a poor management. How was he allowed to complete 90 minutes when he had that information? He could see Ozil wasn't playing well but took off Jack, Santi and Sanchez. Senseless. I though he was keeping Ozil so he doesn't lose confidence.

Wenger knows! :bow:

How he still has people wanting him to stay on is beyond me! :ilt:

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Are there seriously still people that think Wenger should be manager?

[Maestro]

Given that it's the Daily Heil, I'll wait to see the Wenget video interview on this one

[Injury Time]

Seems legit. She deleted all of their pics on her site :lol:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/15/article-2794077-223F8CB400000578-362_308x226.jpg

MesutLAD :bow:
At least we know the cause of his knee cracking #giggety #shelikesbigeyesandcannotlie

[fakeyank]

Are there seriously still people that think Wenger should be manager?

Go to the stadium and you will get to know quite a lot of them..

[Penguin]

At least we know the cause of his knee cracking #giggety #shelikesbigeyesandcannotlie

:lol:

[AFC Leveller]

Taking off Ozil at HT would have been great for all concerned (now that we know what happened) because the manager knew what he was doing at the time. Bring on the Ox to play wide right and keep Cazorla in the middle.

Wenget cost us a point it seems, the eeeeeeeeeeeeediot.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Taking off Ozil at HT would have been great for all concerned (now that we know what happened) because the manager knew what he was doing at the time. Bring on the Ox to play wide right and keep Cazorla in the middle.

Wenget cost us a point it seems, the eeeeeeeeeeeeediot.

Luckily it doesn't happen often.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

So Ozil isn't the messiah after all then, he's just a very naughty boy.

[Injury Time]

Going to order some Özils, see if they help me wid da laydeees
http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mz3zBwK0HZ9k6XFcqavpOqQ.jpg

[Injury Time]

fucking hell

new interview with wenger out

he was told that Ozil heard his knee crack and give way

he carried on playing him

Wow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2794307/mesut-ozil-heard-crack-left-knee-against-chelsea-reveals-arsene-wenger.html
From Arse.cum

on Ozil…
He told me [about the injury] once it was discovered on the scan. He did not tell me anything during the Chelsea game, I did not know. What happened was that at half-time, just before we went out, he had a little pain with his knee but it was not bad. He wanted to go on and I told him, ‘If you don't feel well, tell me and I will take you off straight away'. He never did that during the whole game, and after I left him on because we were in a position where we needed to score a goal and he can deliver the final ball. Then after the game, he went to Germany. With Germany, they thought at the start it was nothing. We played on Sunday, on Monday he was off, and on Tuesday they gave him the day off. He was supposed to practice on Wednesday. On Wednesday morning, he said he could still not practice. They sent him for a scan, and in this scan they discovered that he a knee ligament injury which is quite serious