Anderlecht vs Arsenal. 22nd Oct. 19:45

[Marc Overmars]

Chesney suspended, Ospina injured. So Emiliano Martinez starts in goal. :doh:

Need 6 points ideally from the 2 games with this lot.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ospina injured!?! :haha:
How did that happen?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Hope we lose

[Xhaka Can’t]

A bit extreme.

[AFC Leveller]

Away trip, can us starting off slowly and waking up in the 88th minute to equalise and then watch Wenger say we showed character and togetherness.

[Niall_Quinn]

Easy 3 points here even though we're playing badly. Assuming the 1,000 free fouls rule from the PL doesn't apply in Europe.

0-2 Ozil hattrick

[Munchies]

2-1 Anderlecht

[Injury Time]

Chesney suspended, Ospina injured. So Emiliano Martinez starts in goal. :doh:

Need 6 points ideally from the 2 games with this lot.

Let's see if it takes them 50 minutes to test the 3rd choice keeper like we did vs Hull <_<

[Munchies]

I forgot this game was today as I've been more interested in Liverpool/Madrid

Arsenal :rose:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Hope we lose

Have you ever considered supporting another club?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Chesney suspended, Ospina injured. So Emiliano Martinez starts in goal. :doh:

Need 6 points ideally from the 2 games with this lot.

Usually win one game away from home in the group stage, probably will be this one

Considering l'ouisseau thinks changing your style to match bigger teams is a form of cheating we can't expect anything against Dortmund. But I can imagine we will get six points from this lot, and a point from Turkey to take us through where we will be drawn against a Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Real Madrid.

[Bumble]

Usually win one game away from home in the group stage, probably will be this one

Considering l'ouisseau thinks changing your style to match bigger teams is a form of cheating we can't expect anything against Dortmund. But I can imagine we will get six points from this lot, and a point from Turkey to take us through where we will be drawn against a Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Real Madrid.

on the plus side at least when we get drawn against one of those teams it means we cant be knocked out by Chelsea.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I'll be watching the Pool vs Madrid game tonight. I am sorry but Anderlect vs Arsenal with the way we are playing, gives me no excitement to miss a game between two of the Kings of European Football. The atmosphere and tension will be unreal at Anfield. I just find our tippy tappy football so predictable and bores me to shit. I am just waiting for the old cunt to fuck off and someone new to give us a new lease of life, as we have become boring and terrible to watch.

[Marc Overmars]

We're a bit shit but under no circumstances would I watch another game if we're on the box at the same time.

I'll watch Liverpool/Madrid tomorrow morning in a 2 minute SSN package as I'm having breakfast, because that's how much I give a fuck.

[Master Splinter]

Wenler is a skinny cunt who should die and instead hes celebrates his 65th birthday like the cunt he is and takes £8 million pounds directly from my family savings and the french cvunt spends it on his fucking garlic and berets and hes coached the joy out of my world so why is the old cunt still our manager and not dead like he deserves and i think anderlecht will beat us easily 4-3.

[Injury Time]

Wenler is a skinny cunt who should die and instead hes celebrates his 65th birthday like the cunt he is and takes £8 million pounds directly from my family savings and the french cvunt spends it on his fucking garlic and berets and hes coached the joy out of my world so why is the old cunt still our manager and not dead like he deserves and i think anderlecht will beat us easily 4-3.
Good to see you more up beat than usual :cheers:

[Marc Overmars]

@Arsenal: #Arsenal team to play Anderlecht: Martinez, Chambers, Mertesacker, Monreal, Gibbs, Flamini, Sanchez, Wilshere, Ramsey, Cazorla, Welbeck

[Power n Glory]

Monreal at CB over Chambers?

[GP]

Wenler is a skinny cunt who should die and instead hes celebrates his 65th birthday like the cunt he is and takes £8 million pounds directly from my family savings and the french cvunt spends it on his fucking garlic and berets and hes coached the joy out of my world so why is the old cunt still our manager and not dead like he deserves and i think anderlecht will beat us easily 4-3.

:haha:

[Globalgunner]

Wenler is a skinny cunt who should die and instead hes celebrates his 65th birthday like the cunt he is and takes £8 million pounds directly from my family savings and the french cvunt spends it on his fucking garlic and berets and hes coached the joy out of my world so why is the old cunt still our manager and not dead like he deserves and i think anderlecht will beat us easily 4-3.

Funniest quote of the year and I am making it my screensaver. Hope you don`t mind?

[Niall_Quinn]

No to Racism! Yes please to overt, shameless corruption! :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Already bored to tears by this. Shitty tippy tappy.

[Niall_Quinn]

Santi ?????? WTF was that?

Alexis first player to break beyond a walking pace. Look how horribly static we are.

[Maestro]

Is playing nachos at CB, even when Chambers is back ...some kind of sick joke from Wumger??

[Niall_Quinn]

Is playing nachos at CB, even when Chambers is back ...some kind of sick joke from Wumger??

Nah, I think their wide man can run faster than 3mph so Monreal would be well beaten for pace if he was up against him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Monreal booked because somebody bumped into him. It will even itself up when Alexis gets flattened by another two footed lunge and the ref waves play on.

[Maestro]

Nah, I think their wide man can run faster than 3mph so Monreal would be well beaten for pace if he was up against him.

Where's Bellerin, why is nachos even on the pitch???

[Maestro]

Monreal booked because somebody bumped into him. It will even itself up when Alexis gets flattened by another two footed lunge and the ref waves play on.

Nailed on sending off for nachos tonight

[Maestro]

Come on Sanchez

[Niall_Quinn]

What a poxy attempt at a FK. Scandalous.

[Maestro]

Just you and me NQ, everyone else is a closet Liverhoof fan

[Niall_Quinn]

Where's Bellerin, why is nachos even on the pitch???

Where's Diaby and where is Walcott? Thought he was going to be back after the spuds game.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just you and me NQ, everyone else is a closet Liverhoof fan

If we go a goal behind it'll get busy.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cazorla has been unbelievably poor with every delivery so far.

[Maestro]

If we go a goal behind it'll get busy.

So true, the cunts

[Niall_Quinn]

No purpose to our play. We are just tapping it around waiting for the game to come knocking on the door. It really is dreadful stuff.

[RomfordPele]

They're surprisingly threatening, particularly from our corners...

We are playing shit again.

[Maestro]

I doubt very much, in fact I am convinced these players are under no tactical instruction whatsoever

[Maestro]

Carzola at CB

[Niall_Quinn]

Too many players standing around watching Alexis do all the work.

[Power n Glory]

It's a boring game and we have't really got going as usual.

[Niall_Quinn]

Flash Jack - why make the simple pass when an ambitious flick will do?

[Master Splinter]

Final ball lacking again.

[Niall_Quinn]

Jack is their best defender so far.

[RomfordPele]

What a fucking dreadful game. Neither of these teams deserve to qualify.

[Maestro]

If our attacking players were keyhole surgeons, there would be no survivors from the theatre

[Power n Glory]

Over 30 minutes and neither team have worked the keeper.

[Maestro]

We have no business being in this tournament

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis clearly our best hope of doing something. He's still playing with a Barca hangover and hasn't fully acclimatised to our system. So he runs and tries to find space and is direct and does odd shit like that.

[Power n Glory]

What a fucking dreadful game. Neither of these teams deserve to qualify.

If we start the second half like this I'm out of here.

[Munchies]

How we playing?

I'm watching Madrid :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

If we start the second half like this I'm out of here.

Of course we'll start the second half like this. And play the whole half the same.

[RomfordPele]

Stupid from Gibbs

[fakeyank]

We really need to get eliminated from this competition asap. There is no realistic chance we will win this tournament with the current set up.

Put us out of our misery Anderlecht!

[Power n Glory]

Just awful. Terrible touch from Welbeck. Midfield have no clue what they're doing....terrible.

[Niall_Quinn]

What an excruciating passage of play. Tip, tap, tip, tap, lose the ball.

[Power n Glory]

Wilshere is one selfish player. Pass the ball!

[Munchies]

Watch the Madrid game guys

Liverpool are getting smashed!

Cba with this shit

#Wengerout

[Niall_Quinn]

We really need to get eliminated from this competition asap. There is no realistic chance we will win this tournament with the current set up.

Put us out of our misery Anderlecht!

http://forum.rsca.be/

[RomfordPele]

Fuck off sky.

[selassie]

Wenger has so much work to do with this team, scary.

[Niall_Quinn]

HT - painful stuff.

Problem is, the system is so fundamentally broken you can't see any sort of change that would make a difference. When different players are put on they are tasked with the exact same drudgery, when the formation changes it just means the configuration of the passing triangles shifts. But still always the same tip, tap, tip, tap. Aimless. Pointless. It makes your soul bleed having to watch it.

[Marc Overmars]

Another load of unimaginative, pedestrian-paced crap.

[Globalgunner]

Wenger has so much work to do with this team, scary.

Whaaat?. You want him to fk the few decent players we have like Sanchez up still further!:doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

We need to go with Plan B for the second half. On the 38th pass of each move play it 2 yards left instead of 2 yards right.

[BOBN]

How we playing?

I'm watching Madrid :lol:
Yep, Arsenal in the background.

What we doing second half? Liverpool finish.

[Niall_Quinn]

Here we go, 45 more mins or 49 worst case scenario. We can do this! Come on! Just force yourself to sit there, it's not even an hour. WE CAN DO IT!

[Globalgunner]

Can somebody please score.......Anybody, either side.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's a nasty, deliberate foul on Welbeck. Wanker.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis gets it safely back to their keeper.

[Niall_Quinn]

Look at that by Merts - everyone is upfield and his first (and only) instinct is to play it backwards. Awful stuff.

[Power n Glory]

We have some shit players.

[Niall_Quinn]

jack has been brilliant in the Belgian defence - he's broken up everything we do.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

From the BBC live text:


Paul Heyman: Very typical Arsenal so far... lots of running around and possession without much real purpose.

:lol:

Didn't expect him to have an opinion on it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Conte is the new Wilshere.

[Power n Glory]

Rosicky should be playing instead of Ramsey. Cazorla should be playing through the middle and Campbell deserves his chance on the wing.

[Marc Overmars]

Rubber legs Ramsey is back

[Master Splinter]

Ramsey 2013/14 would have scored that. :(

[Niall_Quinn]

Threaded the needle 4 times there - tame shot by Ramsey though.

[Power n Glory]

I mean look at Ramsey and Wilshere's positioning in that build up. All three of our central midfield players standing yards away from each other and too deep.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Rosicky should be playing instead of Ramsey. Cazorla should be playing through the middle and Campbell deserves his chance on the wing.

hmm i agree with two of your points (Cazorla and Campbell), but Rosicky i know he hasn't played much this season but he's been atrocious when he has played at 34 and very little pace left he has gone really and the best thing we can do is let him go asap.

[Niall_Quinn]

I mean look at Ramsey and Wilshere's positioning in that build up. All three of our central midfield players standing yards away from each other and too deep.

In contrast to the Belgians who break across the width of the pitch at pace and as a team thus forcing our defenders to make choices. Chalk and cheese.

[Niall_Quinn]

There we go again. Look how narrow everything was on that break. So easy for the defence and of course we lost the ball as we ran into a brick wall.

[BOBN]

I mean look at Ramsey and Wilshere's positioning in that build up. All three of our central midfield players standing yards away from each other and too deep.
Prefer Schniederlein-Waynama tbh.

5th place here we come.

[Niall_Quinn]

Jack diving again. What a stinker of a performance.

[Niall_Quinn]

Jack again :banghead:

[RomfordPele]

Jack diving again. What a stinker of a performance.

So glad we kept him and ozil instead of signing fabregas.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come back Sanogo, all is forgiven.

[Power n Glory]

hmm i agree with two of your points (Cazorla and Campbell), but Rosicky i know he hasn't played much this season but he's been atrocious when he has played at 34 and very little pace left he has gone really and the best thing we can do is let him go asap.

Rosicky's played one game and it can't be any worse than this shower of shite.

That core trio aren't protecting the back four or creating a chances.

[RomfordPele]

Could you imagine what bayern would have done to us tonight. Scary.

[fakeyank]

IF I were a neutral, I think I would rather watch Fat Sam's team over Arsenal.. atrocious stuff!

[Marc Overmars]

A shot on target :faint:

[Niall_Quinn]

Caz misses badly - then Alexis misses. Best moment so far though. Well worth it for the poor bastards who made the trip.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I personally respect our protest against playing football.

[Power n Glory]

Welbeck is a pile of shit as well. Awful touches all night.

[Niall_Quinn]

Welbeck booked for putting his hand on a diver.

[Niall_Quinn]

So 72 min sub I suppose, like for like, more of the same. Driver asleep at the wheel.

[Marc Overmars]

They've had so much space in our final third, a better side would have slaughtered us.

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis is so wasted in this crappy set up.

[Power n Glory]

Fuck off!

[Thierrymon]

1-0 anderlecht. We have been wank. Again.

[fakeyank]

LMAO!! :haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Oh dear god

We are pathetic

[Niall_Quinn]

Unbelievable. 3 vs 1 and the wing man has just breezed in. Then nothing from the CBs and a free header.

1-0 so easy for the Belgians.

[Maestro]

:haha:

us :pal:

[Niall_Quinn]

Will Wenger do something now? Or do we require some more patience?

[RomfordPele]

Fucking deserve this.

Great to see the birthday boy being proactive with his subs as usual.

[Niall_Quinn]

Back, square, square, back, back, square, forward, back, square, back, back, square, forward, lose the ball.

[adzzzbatch]

FUCK OFF ARSENAL YOU FUCKING WASTERS!!

[Marc Overmars]

Anderlecht have only won 2 out of 33 CL games. :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger's 72 min subs delayed by the goal no doubt. Bloody Belgians wrecked all that careful pre-match programming.

[adzzzbatch]

Happy 65th Birthday you prick.

[Niall_Quinn]

Doesn't matter if we steal a couple of goals - no excuses can cover for a non-performance like this.

[Darknight02]

Hopefully another day of Wenger's reign will be decreased.

[RomfordPele]

Humiliating.

[fakeyank]

Anderlecht almost score again! :haha:

[torontogooner]

In Arsene we trust.......no fucking way!!!!!

Wenger out

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Calamitous defending there.

Freekick to us now.

[BOBN]

The worst piece of defending ive ever seen at Arsenal.

Wenger must leave tommorrow.

[Niall_Quinn]

Stupid bastards are STILL trying to thread that perfect pass through.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Side netting from Alexis, good effort.

[Niall_Quinn]

Should be 2-0 - our defending is pure comedy.

[adzzzbatch]

Humiliating.

We're a spent force.

[Maestro]

Will Wenger do something now? Or do we require some more patience?

WHEN HE HAS A PLAN, WE BACK HIM, WHEN HE DOESN'T......WE KEEP QUIET

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cyriac off, Suarez on.

Wheelchair hauled off, Poldi on.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Suarez with a horrendous touch.

Monreal. :haha:

Although it's not his fault, he's not a centreback.

[RomfordPele]

Stop knocking Wenger, he's busy "turning potential into value". The little fucking genius.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Martinez saves us. :bow:

[torontogooner]

Wenger's brain has finally atrophied, put the bugger out to pasture.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Why didn't Santi hit it? :unsure:

[fakeyank]

Anderlecht should be 3-4 goals up! :haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Given the run around by the dreggs of this competition.

Shameless.

[Marc Overmars]

Given the run around by the dreggs of this competition.

Shameless.

[adzzzbatch]

OH FUCKING HELL!!

[adzzzbatch]

Given the run around by the dreggs of this competition.

Shameless.

It's really really sad ��

[RomfordPele]

They're taking the piss out of us!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Best we can hope for is another sodding draw. :lol:

[adzzzbatch]

They're taking the piss out of us!

Fucking dreadful, the most expensive ticket prices in the world for this shit?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

GIBBS!!!!!! :bow:

[RomfordPele]

Great goal Gibbs!

[Niall_Quinn]

Yay Gibbs steals a goal 1-1

Yawn

[Marc Overmars]

What a finish!

[adzzzbatch]

1-1 FUCK OFF ARSENAL!!!

[Maestro]

Best we can hope for is another sodding draw. :lol:

you got it

[McNamara That Ghost...]

PODOLSKI!!!!

COME ON!!!!

[Thierrymon]

2-1!!! haha

Totally not deserved.

[Master Splinter]

Anderlecht :haha:.

Awlful team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Pods 1-2

We're shaking off the layers of humiliation - only 30 more layers to go.

[Maestro]

ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

yessssssssssss poldi

[adzzzbatch]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOOOOOIOO

[Marc Overmars]

:haha:

What a pub team

Arsenal :bow:

[RomfordPele]

That is hilarious.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Are you sure?

[Maestro]

this has been hilarious

[Niall_Quinn]

If Wenger tries to claim our quality shone through in the end I'll hunt him down.

[Power n Glory]

We finally wake up from our long slumber.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

In true last minute Style.....Arsenal the new Man U

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Anderlecht 1-2 Arsenal, FT!!!

What a win. :bow:

[GP]

#Aha #Poldi #Gunners #Championleague #QualityShoneThrough

[Japan Shaking All Over]

If Wenger tries to claim our quality shone through in the end I'll hunt him down.

Get ready for the we showed true quality and spirit......total BS

[Niall_Quinn]

FT 1-2

We robbed them. Shittiest performance I have ever seen, since our previous performance and the one before that. Wenger really doesn't have a clue any more. The Belgians are a very basic team but they played much, much better football than us.

[PGFC]

"Same old Arsenal, taking the piss..." :lol:

[Power n Glory]

Fucking awful performance. Sanchez was shaking his head as he left.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fucking awful performance. Sanchez was shaking his head as he left.

He's much too good for this team. Should be an ideal player for any team but we've found a way to compensate.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Pretty embarrassing to nick that..... stealing a living the lot of them....just for you NQ.

Passing was just horrible and Welbeck looked so soo blunt tonight. Don't get me started on the defence.

[Maestro]

Fucking awful performance. Sanchez was shaking his head as he left.

he wants a new manager as badly as we do, quite clearly. he's sussed the cesspool he's landed himself in ...still fucking better than going to liverhoof

[Niall_Quinn]

Pretty embarrassing to nick that..... stealing a living the lot of them....just for you NQ.

Passing was just horrible and Welbeck looked so soo blunt tonight. Don't get me started on the defence.

What did you think about the defence?

[Injury Time]

What did you think about the defence?

Leave it! He said don't get 'im staaarted! :handbags:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

I don't want to slander your mate Napoleon dynamite...seeing as you are so fond of him.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Have you ever considered supporting another club?

Oh don't start that. Do you even go to games?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Oh don't start that. Do you even go to games?

yesss, last match i went to was the galatasaray one

i just ask because i think it is quite peculiar for a fan of a club, to want that football club to lose a match

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

yesss, last match i went to was the galatasaray one

i just ask because i think it is quite peculiar for a fan of a club, to want that football club to lose a match

Plenty feel the same on the likes of twitter. Does it not show how dissatisfied and disillusioned we are with the current regime?

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm disillusioned. That said, I never want us to lose, yet I don't care that we won tonight. I didn't bother to watch, but I've read a fair bit of the match thread.

I haven't seen any highlights or the goals. I won't go out of my way to see them nor will I make an effort to avoid them.

Because right now, Arsenal aren't worth an effort either way.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

A win that will not catapult us into anything whatsoever this season.

So utterly pointless.

Yeah, wish we lost and went into Europa instead. More our level.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Plenty feel the same on the likes of twitter. Does it not show how dissatisfied and disillusioned we are with the current regime?

No not really, first of all I regard my support for Arsenal as unconditional.....no one can be happy with how things are going but it seems perverse to want things to get worse.

Last season I wanted Wenger not to sign a new contract and in the FA cup semi final with 4th place having been taken away from us and ten minutes from defeat by Wigan I felt this was the closest we'd come to the end of his reign, but I got no joy out of this and was hugely relieved when we equalised and won on penalties. My love of the club and wanting us to win games far outweighs my frustration with l'ouisseau.

The AGM shower proved that the board are a bunch of clowns who don't care about the footballing aspect of the club, and a replacement to Wenger coming as a result of results that leave us in crisis would be grand folly.
It is not good enough that we persist with a manager who sees the pinnacle of his achievements as finishing in the champions league qualifying places to make the club more revenues, but as long as that still continues to happen I am happy to wait till 2017, when Wenger goes and leaves the club in a good state for a fresher younger manager to push on and have us challenging and winning major honours.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

No not really, first of all I regard my support for Arsenal as unconditional.....no one can be happy with how things are going but it seems perverse to want things to get worse.

Last season I wanted Wenger not to sign a new contract and in the FA cup semi final with 4th place having been taken away from us and ten minutes from defeat by Wigan I felt this was the closest we'd come to the end of his reign, but I got no joy out of this and was hugely relieved when we equalised and won on penalties. My love of the club and wanting us to win games far outweighs my frustration with l'ouisseau.

The AGM shower proved that the board are a bunch of clowns who don't care about the footballing aspect of the club, and a replacement to Wenger coming as a result of results that leave us in crisis would be grand folly.
It is not good enough that we persist with a manager who sees the pinnacle of his achievements as finishing in the champions league qualifying places to make the club more revenues, but as long as that still continues to happen I am happy to wait till 2017, when Wenger goes and leaves the club in a good state for a fresher younger manager to push on and have us challenging and winning major honours.

:haha:

What utter drivel.

You apologists sure know how to paint a rosy outlook in times if frustration, don't you?

Looking at our team getting shitter and shitter, what good state do you expect Wenger to hand over things in to a new manager after 2 1/2 more seasons? What will be better then than now?

That manager will have some task rebuilding this team, adding some bottle and instilling a winning mentality in and around the Club. As such, I say we get on with the job early. Ideally, Wenger Out by the time the January window opens.

[Letters]

Looking at our team getting shitter and shitter.
Has it? We've started this season very poorly but is there a clear negative trend going back longer term?
We've stagnated, we've not declined.

[Dein-machine]

No not really, first of all I regard my support for Arsenal as unconditional.....no one can be happy with how things are going but it seems perverse to want things to get worse.

Last season I wanted Wenger not to sign a new contract and in the FA cup semi final with 4th place having been taken away from us and ten minutes from defeat by Wigan I felt this was the closest we'd come to the end of his reign, but I got no joy out of this and was hugely relieved when we equalised and won on penalties. My love of the club and wanting us to win games far outweighs my frustration with l'ouisseau.

The AGM shower proved that the board are a bunch of clowns who don't care about the footballing aspect of the club, and a replacement to Wenger coming as a result of results that leave us in crisis would be grand folly.
It is not good enough that we persist with a manager who sees the pinnacle of his achievements as finishing in the champions league qualifying places to make the club more revenues, but as long as that still continues to happen I am happy to wait till 2017, when Wenger goes and leaves the club in a good state for a fresher younger manager to push on and have us challenging and winning major honours.

Sometimes the only way things get a whole lot better is when they get a whole lot worse first - totally with She Wore on this, he can't possibly do a better job at 65 years of age as to when he was 50. Things like dementia set in which may explain how he has forgotten to entertain or how he forgets he has substitutes to use. I used to jump on the Northern line at Morden & go to Highbury on my own as a 10 year old, meeting my uncle at the ground. I did this for the best part of 25 years before work took me abroad. I'm Arsenal through & through but if losing games is going to effect some kind of change in Wengers outlook or to how the board view his position then so be it.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Has it? We've started this season very poorly but is there a clear negative trend going back longer term?
We've stagnated, we've not declined.

Stagnated?

Really?

:haha:

Ok.

Knowing how you are heavy into stats, now would be an ideal time for you to reel out some.

[Syn]

Stagnated?

Really?

:haha:

Ok.

Letters :haha::haha:

Wenger :haha: :haha:

Letters and Wenger :haha:

Sitting on a tree :haha:

Tossing eachother off :haha:

:haha: :haha:

[Letters]

Knowing how you are heavy into stats, now would be an ideal time for you to reel out some.
OK :shrug:
Our points tally over the last 4 seasons - in brackets the gap between us and the eventual champions:

2011 - 68 (12)
2012 - 70 (19)
2013 - 73 (16)
2014 - 79 (7)

So fine, not stagnated. We've clearly improved over the last few years.









Your turn.
:coffee:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

OK :shrug:
Our points tally over the last 4 seasons - in brackets the gap between us and the eventual champions:

2011 - 68 (12)
2012 - 70 (19)
2013 - 73 (16)
2014 - 79 (7)

So fine, not stagnated. We've clearly improved over the last few years.









Your turn.
:coffee:

Letters :haha:

Has absolutely lost it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

:haha:

What utter drivel.

You apologists sure know how to paint a rosy outlook in times if frustration, don't you?

Looking at our team getting shitter and shitter, what good state do you expect Wenger to hand over things in to a new manager after 2 1/2 more seasons? What will be better then than now?

That manager will have some task rebuilding this team, adding some bottle and instilling a winning mentality in and around the Club. As such, I say we get on with the job early. Ideally, Wenger Out by the time the January window opens.

You do realise that if your only going to respond to one sentence of a two three paragraph post it would be easier for you to merely cut and paste that sentence.
I didnt know I was a Wenger apologist, but then compared to someone who wants us to lose games just so the manager gets the push I suppose I must be.
The argument of most Anti-Wenger people (and a view I tend to agree with myself) is that the manager is the one not getting the best out of the players, and actually in terms of personnel we need one (I'd argue two centre backs) and at least one combative midfielder, so if Wenger went today doesn't exactly leave his replacement with a dire mess to sort out. My rationale for him not going, is that when most likely we will finish in the top four it seems rather churlish to upset the apple cart to replace when a season is in progress and no club other than Chelsea would sack the manager after only one league defeat in eight games

[Letters]

Letters :haha:

Has absolutely lost it.

This may be crazy talk but how about trying to respond to the point :tiphat:
Explain how a rising points tally over the last 4 years is us getting "shitter and shitter"

[Marc Overmars]

In terms of quality and performance there has certainly been a clear decline, regardless of results.

However last year was an improvement statistically, probably because we didn't drop many points against the teams we "should" be beating. Lots of narrow and ebbed out victories which didn't exactly fill anyone with confidence.

This year, well, fuck knows whats happened.

[Letters]

This year, well, fuck knows whats happened.
That's pretty much my feeling about this season so far.
In terms of decline, we're certainly far worse than we were, say, 10 years ago. I'm not sure we're worse than we were 4 years ago though, I think that was the season when RvP bailed us out and we were bloody awful for much of the season, we looked like a real mid-table team with one quality player who dragged us into 4th.
If we had declined as steadily as some are suggesting we'd have been in mid-table years ago. The truth is we've bobbled around for years, sometimes getting a bit better, sometimes getting a bit worse. There hasn't been a clear, consistent year on year decline.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's pretty much my feeling about this season so far.
In terms of decline, we're certainly far worse than we were, say, 10 years ago. I'm not sure we're worse than we were 4 years ago though, I think that was the season when RvP bailed us out and we were bloody awful for much of the season, we looked like a real mid-table team with one quality player who dragged us into 4th.
If we had declined as steadily as some are suggesting we'd have been in mid-table years ago. The truth is we've bobbled around for years, sometimes getting a bit better, sometimes getting a bit worse. There hasn't been a clear, consistent year on year decline.

Indeed people speak about huff and puff football with no end product as if its only come into being where it's been part of the Arsenal way even to an extent when we had the likes of Pires, Vieira, Henry in the side.

However I think the issue seems to be that either the players aren't fit or they are not motivated to play for this manager (or indeed both) and nothing suggests to me that Wenger is addressing this malaise.

[Letters]

Our average points over the past 6 seasons has been (rounding up a bit) 73.
We've never been wildly different from that number either, the worst was 5 below it on 68, the best was 6 above it last season on 79.
Pretty much the definition of stagnation.

[Master Splinter]

The exchange between Özil's Panoramic View and Letters pretty much sums up the internet.

"Come on and use your shit stats to refute my water-tight argument if you're hard enough."

Letters uses basic stats and proves point simply enough.

"LOL @ Letters."

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Letters, you can trump up all the stats you want - except for a comparative of how we've fared this season thus far against past seasons :haha: - all one has to do is watch the turgid shit being served up to realise we are getting shitter and shitter.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

:haha:

What utter drivel.

You apologists sure know how to paint a rosy outlook in times if frustration, don't you?

Looking at our team getting shitter and shitter, what good state do you expect Wenger to hand over things in to a new manager after 2 1/2 more seasons? What will be better then than now?

That manager will have some task rebuilding this team, adding some bottle and instilling a winning mentality in and around the Club. As such, I say we get on with the job early. Ideally, Wenger Out by the time the January window opens.

Excellent post.

[Letters]

The exchange between Özil's Panoramic View and Letters pretty much sums up the internet.

"Come on and use your shit stats to refute my water-tight argument if you're hard enough."

Letters uses basic stats and proves point simply enough.

"LOL @ Letters."

He hasn't compared me to the Nazis yet. Once he does that I think we're done here.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Excellent post.

You guys are like the Republican Party, you live in a bubble and can only conduct proper discourse amongst yourselves and you characterise people who don't agree with you as something they are not. Like calling me pro Wenger except if you knew me or saw any of my posts on Facebook you'd know that's not the case).
The football isn't great at the moment but its been pretty much the same for the past five years, so I don't know why your getting your panties in a twist about Wenger needing to be extricated from the club.
We aren't going to win the title whoever we have, and whoever we buy in January.....results and performances are pretty average but we aren't in crisis, and until such time it seems pointless turfing out a manager mid-season.
Do I wish there was someone different at the helm?....ideally yes as much as I still like Wenger on a personal level he's given us all he's got and there is no room for sentiment in this game. My issue runs deeper than him though, and I harbour a lot of resentment towards David Dein without whom I doubt any of us would have ever heard the names E.Stanley Kroenke and Alisher Usmanov.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

YOU lot think Wenger is still the right man for the club, 10 years after he's done anything of note, and WE'RE the ones living in a bubble??!!

:haha: :haha: :haha:

[Letters]

YOU lot think Wenger is still the right man for the club:

Yep. That's exactly what HCZ said. :rolleyes:

[GP]

Good win.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Yep. That's exactly what HCZ said. :rolleyes:

You lot stick up for him when it's now clear it's all his fault, and always has been.

Huge triumph for the wenger out lot on goonersweb. We were right all along :haha:

[Özil's Panoramic View]

You guys are like the Republican Party, you live in a bubble and can only conduct proper discourse amongst yourselves and you characterise people who don't agree with you as something they are not. Like calling me pro Wenger except if you knew me or saw any of my posts on Facebook you'd know that's not the case).
The football isn't great at the moment but its been pretty much the same for the past five years, so I don't know why your getting your panties in a twist about Wenger needing to be extricated from the club.
We aren't going to win the title whoever we have, and whoever we buy in January.....results and performances are pretty average but we aren't in crisis, and until such time it seems pointless turfing out a manager mid-season.
Do I wish there was someone different at the helm?....ideally yes as much as I still like Wenger on a personal level he's given us all he's got and there is no room for sentiment in this game. My issue runs deeper than him though, and I harbour a lot of resentment towards David Dein without whom I doubt any of us would have ever heard the names E.Stanley Kroenke and Alisher Usmanov.

Except that no one has claimed the bit in bold, right?

All we are saying is, the sooner we start the rebuilding process under a new more tactically astute manager, one who sees the obvious squad deficiencies and takes steps in the transfer market to address them, one who studies the opposition and comes up with a game plan accordingly, and one who doesn't make predetermined substitution comes in, the better.

Been saying ever since I joined this forum that Wenger is a spent force living off past glories and buoyed by a cult following. Was mocked, ridiculed, derided and patronised for that bit.

Glad to see some blinkers coming off now.

Ffs u know it just is no longer worth fighting for when even our dear friend Ollie has tossed in the towel. :haha:

GW. :rose:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Except that no one has claimed the bit in bold, right?

All we are saying is, the sooner we start the rebuilding process under a new more tactically astute manager, one who sees the obvious squad deficiencies and takes steps in the transfer market to address them, one who studies the opposition and comes up with a game plan accordingly, and one who doesn't make predetermined substitution comes in, the better.

Been saying ever since I joined this forum that Wenger is a spent force living off past glories and buoyed by a cult following. Was mocked, ridiculed, derided and patronised for that bit.

Glad to see some blinkers coming off now.

Ffs u know it just is no longer worth fighting for when even our dear friend Ollie has tossed in the towel. :haha:

GW. :rose:


You really don't need to quote my entire post if you are only going to criticise a sentence of it.

Again you seem to misunderstand what the point is, I don't think for a second those who have your opinion believe we will win anything big if we ditch Wenger, the point I am making is that as much as you want to make out the club is in crisis it really isn't, in fact Letters statistics back up the stagnation argument things aren't getting worse but I think we all agree that it's not acceptable that things aren't getting better.

But for me a club has to be in crisis to countenance sacking its manager mid season and it would set a terrible precedent. Do I really want Wenger here till 2017, not really but looking purely from the boards point of view there certainly isn't any grounds for dismissal either.

Maybe he will get fed up and walk away at the end of the season, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You lot stick up for him when it's now clear it's all his fault, and always has been.

Huge triumph for the wenger out lot on goonersweb. We were right all along :haha:

Well if you only respond to what you think people say as opposed to what they are saying then you aren't ever going to be wrong because essentially your only arguing with yourself.

I certainly don't know anyone who believes Wenger can take the club forward, I just don't see anyone say this?. People like me say the following

A) The results this season are pretty average but they do not constitute the kind of crisis that would make the instant dismissal of the manager in the middle of the season warranted or desirable, to properly replace a manager this is best done at the end of the season.

B) Whatever we want, we all know that Wenger and only Wenger will decide how long he remains manager at the club. If however there is any suggestion in a year or so of him extending his contract post 2017 than you will find me jumping ship to protest with you guys. However I don't think that will happen I think within 18 months I believe he will make public his plan to retire in 2017

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Well if you only respond to what you think people say as opposed to what they are saying then you aren't ever going to be wrong because essentially your only arguing with yourself.

I certainly don't know anyone who believes Wenger can take the club forward, I just don't see anyone say this?. People like me say the following

A) The results this season are pretty average but they do not constitute the kind of crisis that would make the instant dismissal of the manager in the middle of the season warranted or desirable, to properly replace a manager this is best done at the end of the season.

B) Whatever we want, we all know that Wenger and only Wenger will decide how long he remains manager at the club. If however there is any suggestion in a year or so of him extending his contract post 2017 than you will find me jumping ship to protest with you guys. However I don't think that will happen I think within 18 months I believe he will make public his plan to retire in 2017

11 points from 8 games is the second lowest total recorded at this stage in the Wenger era, while the total of 2 wins from 8 is a new low under him, and you're going to sit there and tell me we're not in a fucking crisis? If that doesn't constitute to a crisis, I don't know what does.

We won the FA cup, signed Alexis Sanchez, and still got worse. If that doesn't make you seriously concerned about the guy in charge, I don't know what will.

Some of you will blame your own mother before you do Wenger, but this man is finished. He is a backdated, out of touch, stubborn fool, and he needs to go.

[fakeyank]

11 points from 8 games is the second lowest total recorded at this stage in the Wenger era, while the total of 2 wins from 8 is a new low under him, and you're going to sit there and tell me we're not in a fucking crisis? If that doesn't constitute to a crisis, I don't know what does.

We won the FA cup, signed Alexis Sanchez, and still got worse. If that doesn't make you seriously concerned about the guy in charge, I don't know what will.

Some of you will blame your own mother before you do Wenger, but this man is finished. He is a backdated, out of touch, stubborn fool, and he needs to go.

:gp:

Tbh, the fear of the unknown is what is ruining our ambitions of a football club. The same BS of "what will happen after wenger leaves", "will we get anyone better?" etc, is beyond stupid. We HAVE a problem right freaking now and we deal with it. We have HAD this same problem for the last 6-7 years and we didnt deal with it... when the F*** are we going to deal with it then?!

Would anyone be in an abusive relationship because you are scared of the unknown, or would you move on? If you are not ready to move on, I am sure you want Wenger to stay.

PS: Do not take the last analogy and take Wenger's management as an abusive relationship, because I know how his followers like to twist words and not talk facts.

[Letters]

Why are you using an analogy if you know yourself it doesn't stand up?

[Özil's Panoramic View]

11 points from 8 games is the second lowest total recorded at this stage in the Wenger era, while the total of 2 wins from 8 is a new low under him, and you're going to sit there and tell me we're not in a fucking crisis? If that doesn't constitute to a crisis, I don't know what does.

We won the FA cup, signed Alexis Sanchez, and still got worse. If that doesn't make you seriously concerned about the guy in charge, I don't know what will.

Some of you will blame your own mother before you do Wenger, but this man is finished. He is a backdated, out of touch, stubborn fool, and he needs to go.

No. The stats prove otherwise.

How we have fared this season so far in relation to other seasons doesn't matter. The predictable, dull tippy tappy that even the dross of the league know how to stifle now doesn't matter either.

All that matters are stats which can be twisted and angled in a bid to mask the real situation.

:haha:

[fakeyank]

Why are you using an analogy if you know yourself it doesn't stand up?

It stands up, but my comparison is a little bit exaggerated and I know his 'followers' will use anything to defer attention from the fact that he needs to be fired yesterday.

[Letters]

All that matters are stats which can be twisted and angled
Can you explain how anyone has done that?

Do try and answer without using emoticons, there's a good chap.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You guys do live in a bubble, because you make these daft analogies to counter the point no one has made.

I'm not frightened of Wenger going, I wanted him to go at the end of last season I thought it was the perfect time for him to end his time with us.

I have told you what my reasons are, I don't find sacking a manager mid season to be a particularly helpful strategy unless you have a club sliding towards relegation (and even then it's sometimes a gamble that often doesn't pay off). Six wins, Six Draws and three defeats in fifteen games is not a great return by any estimation but its not crisis mode either.
Also you really don't have your pick of managers mid season, if the plan is for Steve Bould to take over the reigns wouldn't a transitional hand over rather than chucking him in at the deep end without a supporting coaching team. If we wanted someone from outside, they and the clubs won't want to have to replace their own manager mid season so more likely to snub your advances. This is why Chelsea have had to appoint so many interim managers.
I don't know how many times I can explain this to you, I am not a Wenger supporter using fear mongering (I'd be quite happy for him to go end of the season only I know it won't happen) I don't see how we profit from sacking a manager mid-season.
And the dull tippy, tappy football you allude to has been with us arguably since Fabregas broke into the first team ten years ago.......it probably looks worse at the moment because the midfield don't press or track back when not in Posession.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

:gp:

Tbh, the fear of the unknown is what is ruining our ambitions of a football club. The same BS of "what will happen after wenger leaves", "will we get anyone better?" etc, is beyond stupid. We HAVE a problem right freaking now and we deal with it. We have HAD this same problem for the last 6-7 years and we didnt deal with it... when the F*** are we going to deal with it then?!

Would anyone be in an abusive relationship because you are scared of the unknown, or would you move on? If you are not ready to move on, I am sure you want Wenger to stay.


Brilliant analogy.

These muppets want to keep hold of wenger because they hope he'll suddenly change and have the same impact he had in 97/98. It won't happen.

Time to move on.

[Niall_Quinn]

Let's just stop all this nonsense and bullshit speculation and opinion shall we, and deal in FACTS! The FACT is, without Wenger we simply wouldn't be where we are today, and I defy anyone to dispute that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Brilliant analogy.

These muppets want to keep hold of wenger because they hope he'll suddenly change and have the same impact he had in 97/98. It won't happen.

Time to move on.

When you say "these muppets" who are you referring to?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Let's just stop all this nonsense and bullshit speculation and opinion shall we, and deal in FACTS! The FACT is, without Wenger we simply wouldn't be where we are today, and I defy anyone to dispute that.

Spot on.

If we sacked him after Birmingham, we'd have been much better off by now.

[Niall_Quinn]

When you say "these muppets" who are you referring to?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/3/29/1333038570260/THE-MUPPETS-008.jpg

[Letters]

These muppets want to keep hold of wenger

:lol:

I have no idea whether you're a WUM or just a bit thick.

If I was a betting man I'd say a bit of both.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I was influenced by the king of idiocy, Mr Letters himself.