Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Özim]

He's not really getting enough game time here to play himself into form, so he might fancy a change to somewhere where he'll get to play more regularly.

He was very good and direct at one point, we've not done his career any favours IMO.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Why are United persisting with Van Gaal? Its baffling.

Don't complain

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsene Wenger admits losing to Hull in the FA Cup final in 2014 could have cost him his job as his position at Arsenal was up in the air.

The Gunners came from 2-0 down to beat Hull 3-2 at Wembley two years ago and face the Championship side again in the fifth round on Saturday.

But Wenger, who had not won a trophy in nine years before that final, says he was not sure he would still be in the job had his side lost that day.

‘It was up in the air and we had to give everything to win that final and after to reflect,’ Wenger said.

‘If we had lost it I don’t know. Usually I respect my contracts and I fight for everything and to say after 17 years can depend just on one cup final means it is better you don’t go to the final then.

‘It would have been a problem if we had not won. But we won.

‘Today in the modern job you have to explain on what you do not achieve and why you did not win.’

Misquoted?

[Marc Overmars]

I reckon he would have had no choice but to walk had we lost that day.

The level of dissent amongst the fans would have been horrible.

[Power n Glory]

Pressure must be on this season in that case.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C8_j4i8qgE&feature=youtu.be
:music:

[GP]

What's a stormsy?

[Master Splinter]

What's a stormsy?

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/storm-bigcostume6.jpg

[adzzzbatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C8_j4i8qgE&feature=youtu.be
:music:

Heard this earlier 'tis brilliant :music:

#Merky

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72xRZ4FF1IQ&ab_channel=ArsenalFanTV

I'm out.

I'm done. You can keep it.

See ya later lads.

[Letters]

Wenger :bow:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160218/behind-the-numbers-100-up-for-wenger

[Marc Overmars]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72xRZ4FF1IQ&ab_channel=ArsenalFanTV

I'm out.

I'm done. You can keep it.

See ya later lads.

Jesus Christ. Some of our fans are proper melts.

[adzzzbatch]

Jesus Christ. Some of our fans are proper melts.

:lol:

I knew I'd seen the big chap before, he's on some auction thing acting like a right twat.

[GP]

:lol:

I knew I'd seen the big chap before, he's on some auction thing acting like a right twat.

BOOOOOOOOMMM!!!

[adzzzbatch]

No! No boom! :angry:

[Letters]

Wow. I got about 20 seconds into that video.
Does it go any lower than mute?

[adzzzbatch]

Wow. I got about 20 seconds into that video.
Does it go any lower than mute?

Still better than Paul McCartney.

[Letters]

Whyioughta... :angry:

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72xRZ4FF1IQ&ab_channel=ArsenalFanTV

I'm out.

I'm done. You can keep it.

See ya later lads.


:haha: :haha: :haha:


:lol:

I knew I'd seen the big chap before, he's on some auction thing acting like a right twat.

I saw him on Storage Hunters UK on Dave! :lol:

[Munchies]

I don't mind it tbh, just listened to it again :haha:

ARSENAL ARE COMINGGGG :bow:

[GP]

Could always be worse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c55-KbNcXKE&ab_channel=Camplays

[Munchies]

That's a classic! :lol:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1twh0p_tottenham-hotspunk-one-club_fun

Better quality vid, I remember they kept removing it

[GP]

"Top four's our everything"

:lol:

[Andreas_AFC]

Sorry, for the dump question, but can you say to me, why the most of tottenham fans dont wear kits or scarves from their club? Or is that just the idea of ​​the distant ( i come from Germany) , honestly , I 've never been to Tottenham, but i have the impression they dont look like football fans ;-)

[GP]

It's because they aren't really humans.

[AFC Leveller]

That's a classic! :lol:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1twh0p_tottenham-hotspunk-one-club_fun

Better quality vid, I remember they kept removing it

Fucking hillarious.

[AFC Leveller]

Ox has a knee injury and could be out for months according to the mail.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ox has a knee injury and could be out for months according to the mail.

If we'd have kept him on for longer he could be out for the rest of his career. Our medical staff blew a potential long term customer. If you are going to play a player when he is injured then do it properly, don't dick around.

[Marc Overmars]

Ox has a knee injury and could be out for months according to the mail.

Athlete ball is supposed to be his strength and he can't even do that properly. He needs to be sent on loan next season, the boy is not good enough for us right now.

[AFC Leveller]

Athlete ball is supposed to be his strength and he can't even do that properly. He needs to be sent on loan next season, the boy is not good enough for us right now.

Agree. He looks nervous, hesitant in possession and doesn't contribute anywhere near enough in terms of goals or assists.

[Letters]

He's only 22. I wouldn't expect him to be the finished article yet.

[Power n Glory]

Stupidly got himself injured will probably miss the Euros and who knows what shape he'll be in for preseason. We better not give him a new contract. He needs to prove himself.

[Niall_Quinn]

He will be like a new signing when he comes back, which will be helpful come the summer transfer window.

[Kano]

Effectively this happened when he left us but now it's official.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/feb/25/former-arsenal-france-midfielder-robert-pires-retires-football

Pires :bow:

[Globalgunner]

Will never retire from being an exquisitely made man.
Funniest running style ever too.

[Niall_Quinn]

Whenever Henry looked up or was in a tight jam, there was Pires, magnetic first touch, simple layoff or push and run and beat the man. And vice versa, whenever Pires needed an outlet there was Henry. Poetry these two, and add Bergkamp and Vieira and Gilberto and Freddie and so on, just to take the piss. What a team. What a player Pires was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELbLywum6ug

[selassie]

Athlete ball is supposed to be his strength and he can't even do that properly. He needs to be sent on loan next season, the boy is not good enough for us right now.

I agree, I think he has the potential to be a very good player but he needs to go back to basics and get game time elsewhere, I.E on loan. We shouldn't be trying to develop his game and awareness by playing him in our first team, we're challenging for a title FFS!

[Niall_Quinn]

Usmanov buys more shares. An American miser and a Russian gangster.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3466044/Arsenal-shareholder-Alisher-Usmanov-increases-stake-club-30-billionaire-pledges-long-term-investment.html

[Master Splinter]

Sanogo completed his hat-trick to make it 3-3 between Charlton and Reading. But then Reading scored a winner in extra time.

Poor bastard.

[Niall_Quinn]

Usmanov buys more shares. An American miser and a Russian gangster.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3466044/Arsenal-shareholder-Alisher-Usmanov-increases-stake-club-30-billionaire-pledges-long-term-investment.html

And now this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3466379/Everton-200m-takeover-mystery-Middle-East-investors-close-deal.html

Will be interesting to see what happens at Everton now. Will they suddenly have money to spend?

[Niall_Quinn]

It is reported Moshiri sold his shares in Arsenal to Red and White partner Usmanov for £200mill. Assuming they were 50/50 partners, and I'm not sure that was the case, this would value Kroenke's holdings at over £900mill. Not bad considering he's put fuck all into the team and is even gouging cash back out. I thought he might make around a quarter billion over 10 years but he's done almost twice as well for himself (and no other fucker) in even less time.

Has there ever been a more worthless billionaire?

[fakeyank]

Americans :bow:

[AFC Leveller]

History of bottling....could this year be any different?



Some of Arsenal's recent Premier League title challenges have been damaged by their players being approached by other clubs, manager Arsene Wenger says.

Wenger's side have developed an unwanted reputation for failing to win the league from promising positions.

However, he believes Arsenal are better placed now as there is no squad unrest.

"When we went into April in 2010, some of the players were tapped up to go somewhere else and it was difficult to maintain the focus," he said.

"That's not the case at the moment."

Arsenal - who are five points behind leaders Leicester going into Sunday's game at Manchester United - last won the Premier League in 2004, when they went through the 38-game campaign without defeat.

They were runners-up to Chelsea the following season, and have finished either third or fourth every year since.

A number of significant challenges for the title in the last 12 years have failed to bring the Premier League trophy to the club.

William Gallas and Arsene Wenger
Arsenal's then-captain William Gallas initially refused to leave the pitch after a 2-2 draw at Birmingham in 2008
In February 2008, they were five points clear of Manchester United with 12 games left, but were derailed by a 2-2 draw at Birmingham in which striker Eduardo suffered a bad leg break and captain William Gallas remained sitting on the pitch at full-time in a public show of anger.

Two seasons later, Wenger's side were top of the table with seven matches to play, but won only two of those games and finished third.

They were in a strong position to push Manchester United in 2010/11, but began to crumble in February as they let slip a four-goal lead in drawing 4-4 at Newcastle, and ended up dropping from second place to fourth.

And two seasons ago, Arsenal were top in early February, but a 5-1 defeat at Liverpool began a run of just two wins in nine matches, and they again ended in fourth place.

Leon Best
Arsenal lost a 4-0 half-time lead in drawing at Newcastle in February 2011
"What is different is that at that time we were losing momentum," Wenger said. "This time it's the opposite.

"Also we were very young at that time, with the famous incident with Gallas at Birmingham. And the mood of some players was more to get the next contract somewhere else than to win the championship because at the time we had to sell our players.

"Now we do not have that problem. All the players are focused and want to win and have great solidarity. It's down to showing how good we are. The psychological situation is completely different today than it was in 2010.

"In 2010, I would say we lost it because the spirit was not exactly what it should be because of individual tap ups. At the moment, on the spirit front we are all right."

[Marc Overmars]

"What is different is that at that time we were losing momentum," Wenger said. "This time it's the opposite.

Is it?

Since we beat City before Christmas our performances have been ordinary and goals are hard to come by. We'll see how much momentum we really have over the next 7 days. My guess is we'll be hanging on by a thread or worse still, out of it come full time at WHL next Saturday.

[Niall_Quinn]

"When we went into April in 2010, some of the players were tapped up to go somewhere else and it was difficult to maintain the focus," he said.

One of his most ridiculous excuses to date?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think Cesc breaking his leg in March had a greater effect personally.

[Özim]

Is it?

Since we beat City before Christmas our performances have been ordinary and goals are hard to come by. We'll see how much momentum we really have over the next 7 days. My guess is we'll be hanging on by a thread or worse still, out of it come full time at WHL next Saturday.

He's deluded most people know this, what he thinks happens and what actually happens are two different things, we've lost plenty of momentum with defeats, draw and plenty of dropped points in games we should have had all 3.

[Özim]

One of his most ridiculous excuses to date?

IfWhen he leaves he should write a book of excuses, should have pleny of material.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's deluded most people know this, what he thinks happens and what actually happens are two different things, we've lost plenty of momentum with defeats, draw and plenty of dropped points in games we should have had all 3.

The Liverpool game was probably the worst. Literally inviting them back into the match and begging them to take points from us. Using tactics Wenger has seen fail time and time again. He seems to have got it into his head we are defensively solid this year, and if he gets something into his head then reality will never get a look-in.

[Letters]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/wenger-quits-to-become-tortoise-20160302106756

:lol:

[IBK]

:lol:

[Letters]

Ozil's stats for Feb:

Chances created 26. Assists 2.



:doh:
He must wonder why he bothers sometimes.

[Marc Overmars]

Those assists were only set pieces as well, which shows how rancid we have been.

[Munchies]

Got an email from arsenal (because I was once a red member) telling me that there are spare tickets on for Sunday (against Watford) on general sale.

Just checked and they're like 70 quid

http://i.imgur.com/lpb1gdT.jpg

there are a few cheaper ones right at the top for 55.

Watford. Fa cup game.

:doh:

[GP]

The price cap for away fans is just a half measure. the average fan is still priced out.

I couldn't justify 70 quid right now.

[Munchies]

Ok I wasn't looking at it wrong

‎@timpayton
Arsenal charging more for the quarter final v Watford on Sunday than the @FA are charging for the semi-final. Still more to do on pricing

Fucking disgrace. How long will mugs keep paying for this shit?

[Munchies]

The price cap for away fans is just a half measure. the average fan is still priced out.

I couldn't justify 70 quid right now.

I was actually thinking of going. Haven't been to a game this season. I thought it'd be 35 or so

[Niall_Quinn]

Got an email from arsenal (because I was once a red member) telling me that there are spare tickets on for Sunday (against Watford) on general sale.

Just checked and they're like 70 quid

http://i.imgur.com/lpb1gdT.jpg

there are a few cheaper ones right at the top for 55.

Watford. Fa cup game.

:doh:

No wonder they still have tickets available. Can't find enough mugs in the kingdom. It would cost me around £110 to go to that game, provided I didn't eat, drink or buy any shit apart from the rail ticket down there and the ticket into the match. Everything is a rip-off in this country. And the quality is lower than it has ever been.

[Kano]

The price cap for away fans is just a half measure. the average fan is still priced out.

I couldn't justify 70 quid right now.

£50 tickets available.

[Marc Overmars]

Got an email from arsenal (because I was once a red member) telling me that there are spare tickets on for Sunday (against Watford) on general sale.

Just checked and they're like 70 quid

http://i.imgur.com/lpb1gdT.jpg

there are a few cheaper ones right at the top for 55.

Watford. Fa cup game.



:doh:

The problem with the pricing is disparity. Those seats you mention are for the centre blocks in the upper tier, so essentially the best seats in the house outside of club level, but if you sit just a couple of blocks either side, the price is £49.50.

Category A prices should also be looked at. The cheapest seat being £64 is obscene, when the cheapest for a B game is £36.50.

Then booking fees on top...

Though I suppose when you have people who don't care and attend any game they can, then what's to stop the club charging ridiculous prices.

[Marc Overmars]

I was actually thinking of going. Haven't been to a game this season. I thought it'd be 35 or so

You still might find the odd seat in the lower tier.

[GP]

£50 tickets available.

Still too much.

[Maestro]

Taking my son to this one, his first ever Arsenal game. I'll be in club level with the prawn sandwich brigade. Freebie tickets from work, get in!!

[Xhaka Can’t]

Other teams are doing special pricing of around £15-£20 for the FA Cup. We make it a Cat B game.

Against fucking Watford.

Arsenal can fucking do one.

[GP]

I fucking hate Arsenal, me.

[Niall_Quinn]

I fucking hate Arsenal, me.

Certainly hate the cunts in charge of the club. Those tossers need to start flying Aeroflot in groups.

[Globalgunner]

Certainly hate the cunts in charge of the club. Those tossers need to start flying Aeroflot in groups.

.....and head for a tour of the Bermuda Triangle

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It is an FA Cup QF tbf. What category was the Everton QF two years ago?

[Kano]

AST, REDaction and Black Scarf calling for a boycott of the game over ticket prices.

Looking at the amount left, it doesn't look like too many have listened.

[Marc Overmars]

Probably because it's a friends and family game that's also now on general sale. A good opportunity for day trippers and tourists to attend, no chance they were filling all the seats with members for this one.

[Xhaka Can’t]

It is an FA Cup QF tbf. What category was the Everton QF two years ago?

The prices I quoted were for FA Cup QFs at Palace and West Ham

[Xhaka Can’t]

Probably because it's a friends and family game that's also now on general sale. A good opportunity for day trippers and tourists to attend, no chance they were filling all the seats with members for this one.

No doubt about it - this should have been Cat C.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The prices I quoted were for FA Cup QFs at Palace and West Ham

We haven't had those games though, just wondering if it was in keeping with other QF's we've had at home.

[Letters]

Not really sure that's the point, Maccy. Other clubs are charging far lower prices for an FA Cup Quarter Final, this is a big game in that sense but given the opposition they could have reduced prices and not taken yet another opportunity to screw the fans. But people keep paying so they'll keep doing it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Other clubs charge less than us for most games I imagine.

[Letters]

That's certainly true :(

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQcLJRCTYNw&ab_channel=Arsenal

[Niall_Quinn]

Welbeck's smile is just amazing.

[Marc Overmars]

Santi makes me laugh. :lol:

[GP]

"Lord of the rings"

"I don't know who is this"

[I am invisible]

Iwobi's dead.

Or ill, or something? Whatever.

[Özim]

https://twitter.com/Brandy_Snap/status/712612462466568192

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Letters]

Just sign up for glory glory and be done with it.

[GP]

"I didn't see it"

Hahaha it's funny because he said that once in 1996.

[Munchies]

Lots of reports going round that Wilshere has had ANOTHER set back

Could miss the Euros too

https://twitter.com/northbanklower/status/712715608987680772


:rose:

[Munchies]

oh shit

afc insist Jack Wilshere hasn't suffered a setback in his recovery from injury as rumoured. Club say he's "progressing well".

https://twitter.com/JamesOlley/status/712731876956487681

season over :coffee:

[Niall_Quinn]

This bizarre bizzareness develops.


Flamini could be set to become a billionaire as he bids to end the world’s dependence on oil.


The 32-year-old’s company, GFBiochemicals, is the first to mass produce Levulinic Acid, which can replace oil in its forms.


And Flamini announced on Instagram that they have bought American company Segetis.


With Gunners fans publicly displaying their frustration at board and manager, they are now hoping the midfielder could be their saviour.

[Globalgunner]

This bizarre bizzareness develops.

Maybe Flamini could make Stan an offer he cant refuse. Then install himself as player/manager.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

At least we are still competing for the most important prizes available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbEzWcv4NiE

[adzzzbatch]

Arsenal ladies emulating the men and picking up stupid red cards, they're down to 10 men and currently drawing 0-0 with shitty after 20 mins.

[adzzzbatch]

Losing 2-0 now. Wenger Out!!

[Kano]

This is what the international break does to fans.

Adz :rose:

[fakeyank]

At least we are still competing for the most important prizes available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbEzWcv4NiE

"Three of Arsenals finest" :haha:

[Letters]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160331/citro-n-inspires-first-stadium-sunroof

:d

[alexander]

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20160331/citro-n-inspires-first-stadium-sunroof

:d

hmm...what day is it...

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/utzTCyo.png

[Letters]

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

That's just fucking GREAT!

No money for the players we need but we can afford to install a useless sunroof :doh:

I'm FUMING over this. This is the last straw. Citroen can forget about me buying anything from them too.

The fans need to boycott this. Boycott the stadium, their cars and above all that fucking sunroof!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's just a ploy to kill off ungrateful fans during Warner months via the greenhouse effect

[Niall_Quinn]

It's just a ploy to kill off ungrateful fans during Warner months via the greenhouse effect

Wenger gets everything he wants. Fancy a sunroof while he's lounging on the touchline? No problem. Snap his fingers and suddenly the club can find the money to buy him a sunroof. This guy has to go now, TODAY, before he blows the transfer funds on luxury items for himself and his pampered players.

[Maestro]

Lads when is Cech back? Anyone know?

[Dicks and chicks]

Lads when is Cech back? Anyone know?
Mart Poom coming out of retirement tbh

[The Emirates Gallactico]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14B6E/production/_89064848_sunfront4.jpg


Sigh time to get rid.

Unreliable and too much hassle than he's worth. If City are dumb enough to offer us 30 mill, then bite their hand off.

[Xhaka Can’t]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14B6E/production/_89064848_sunfront4.jpg


Sigh time to get rid.

Unreliable and too much hassle than he's worth. If City are dumb enough to offer us 30p then bite their hand off.

Fixed your post.

[I am invisible]

That must have been Jack's longest run yet without getting involved in a drunken nightclub brawl* - the lad's obviously growing up!


*That was reported.

[alexander]

England ace? Been a while

[Özim]

Don't understand why this guy is still on our payroll, he's just never going to be fit for any amount of time. Another player we're paying to do nothing, just as we have with a number of players before him.

Don't really understand why we haven't learnt we shouldn't rely on players like this and should cut our losses sooner rather than later. I took us a decade with Diaby and Rosicky before we got rid.

[Marc Overmars]

It's a shame he's stupid enough to keep finding himself in these situations.

[alexander]

Don't understand why this guy is still on our payroll, he's just never going to be fit for any amount of time. Another player we're paying to do nothing, just as we have with a number of players before him.

Don't really understand why we haven't learnt we shouldn't rely on players like this and should cut our losses sooner rather than later. I took us a decade with Diaby and Rosicky before we got rid.

I would think that this is his last chance. He is back in training now, if he can stay fit until the end of the season (:arry:) and do a full pre season, he might still make it. I would say if he cant be fully fit by the start of next season, and play most of it, he has to go. Although I do have my doubts he will ever be as good as he could have been just because of all the football he has missed.

[GP]

He's worth keeping around because he's an exceptional player.

He's Arsenal through and through as well which is so rare these days.

[Marc Overmars]

His stock has fallen so low since the 10/11 breakout season. Since then he's missed what, around 3 seasons worth of games through injury? Insane.

He's got time on his side but right now it's hard to see him getting anywhere near to fulfilling his potential. Immature, injury prone and not anywhere near as intelligent a footballer as the media portray him to be. He probably runs into more brick walls than Theo.

[Niall_Quinn]

Jack is an idiot who is going to blow his career. If he's not injuring himself by trying to be the look at me guy on the pitch he's proving his lack of dedication in some nightclub. Hard to keep supporting his idiocy. Plainly he has no respect for his incredibly privileged situation.

[Letters]

I don't really care what he does in nightclubs (within reason) if he's performing on the pitch, but he's not even doing that.
He's got a lot of potential but I agree there's a good chance he'll blow it.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He has already blown it.

How long is left on his contract? I can't wait for us to get rid of him.

[fakeyank]

Wilshere can fuck off

[AFC Leveller]

I dont know if its true but reports this morning saying Iwobi has signed a new deal....even though he signed one back in october! the club showing yet again that they reward way too early.

Yes he has shown promise but he has played like 5 games for us and recently signed a new deal so not make him earn it properly?

[Niall_Quinn]

I dont know if its true but reports this morning saying Iwobi has signed a new deal....even though he signed one back in october! the club showing yet again that they reward way too early.

Yes he has shown promise but he has played like 5 games for us and recently signed a new deal so not make him earn it properly?

I think the kid was on £750 a week - not joking, that's the figure I read. There was probably an incentive in there that would be triggered if he broke into the first team and he's definitely done that. So I'm not too worried about this, effectively it's his first proper deal at the club and will keep him here for the next 5 years. Let's just hope the injuries are kept down and the hype kept under control.

[I am invisible]

30k/week sounds OK to me, by footballer standards - decent reward for breaking into first team, but still way below the top earners, so there's more to aim for if he keeps his form going...

[Niall_Quinn]

30k/week sounds OK to me, by footballer standards - decent reward for breaking into first team, but still way below the top earners, so there's more to aim for if he keeps his form going...

Thought it was £8K per week. £30K sounds like he's part of the plan for the future and there won't be any silliness like sending him out on loan.

[GP]

He won't go on loan. He's ready now.

[Niall_Quinn]

Not a great start to a new contract.


Arsenal forward Alex Iwobi could miss the start of next season after he declared his intention to represent Nigeria at the Olympics this summer.

The 19-year-old, who has two goals in two Premier League starts for the Gunners, made his competitive debut for Nigeria last month and now wants to play for the Under-23 side in Rio.

The men's Olympic football schedule runs from August 4 to August 20, meaning not only would Iwobi be likely to miss Arsenal's pre-season but also the first month of Premier League action.

“I am looking forward to the forthcoming Olympics and if I am invited, I will do my best to make a meaningful contribution," Iwobi told Goal.

[alexander]

Not a great start to a new contract.

be like a new signing when he returns though.

[Niall_Quinn]

be like a new signing when he returns though.

Or injured for the rest of the season.

[Power n Glory]

I dont know if its true but reports this morning saying Iwobi has signed a new deal....even though he signed one back in october! the club showing yet again that they reward way too early.

Yes he has shown promise but he has played like 5 games for us and recently signed a new deal so not make him earn it properly?

Heard the same reports. We really could have waited especially if he's just signed a new deal. Makes no sense for us to do this.

[Özim]

Wenger playing down Wilshere incident, no surprise really, apparently he works hard


I've spoken to him. It looks to be taken out of proportion a little bit. These are matters we like to keep internal," said Wenger.



What is positive is that he works very, very hard,

Great, maybe one day he'll stay fit one day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35984721

[Marc Overmars]

New kit for next season, apparently.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfZF98AW4AEDq3a.jpg

What the hell Puma?

[Niall_Quinn]

New kit for next season, apparently.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfZF98AW4AEDq3a.jpg

What the hell Puma?

That's a fucking joke. Why not just change it to white with blue shorts? Or purple with lime green stripes? Money cunts need to fuck off out of football. All of them.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Add Dmitri Payet to the list of players Wenger almost signed

He really needs to shut up about this. We know that you are inept and indecisive when it comes to buying players. No need to keep repeating it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's a fucking joke. Why not just change it to white with blue shorts? Or purple with lime green stripes? Money cunts need to fuck off out of football. All of them.

Looks similar to a kit worn by Chile also produced by Puma, so I'm inclined to think this is a photoshop job

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Quite liked the gold away kits this season, better than the horrible yellow nonsense we are habitually stuck with

[Gooner23]

Add Dmitri Payet to the list of players Wenger almost signed

He really needs to shut up about this. We know that you are inept and indecisive when it comes to buying players. No need to keep repeating it.

I never get too worked up by his 'we could have signed..' as I'm sure it happens across most clubs. But it's funny that Wenger chooses to make it public as if missing out on good players is something to be commended!

[Marc Overmars]

I never get too worked up by his 'we could have signed..' as I'm sure it happens across most clubs. But it's funny that Wenger chooses to make it public as if missing out on good players is something to be commended!

He's a parody of himself.

[Gooner23]

And yet so tight lipped when it comes to potential targets.

[Globalgunner]

New kit for next season, apparently.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfZF98AW4AEDq3a.jpg

What the hell Puma?

That must be the oft heard of, never seen jack Wilshere modeling it.

[Niall_Quinn]

And yet so tight lipped when it comes to potential targets.

Hard to be verbose about something that doesn't exist.

[I am invisible]

New kit for next season, apparently.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfZF98AW4AEDq3a.jpg

What the hell Puma?

Jesus, it looks like a cycling outfit for city tossers!

I guess our imminent entry into the Tour de France would explain the doping allegations though?

[selassie]

Add Dmitri Payet to the list of players Wenger almost signed

He really needs to shut up about this. We know that you are inept and indecisive when it comes to buying players. No need to keep repeating it.

More like the Computer said "no"! Don't he use some StatDNA program to identify potential targets? Wenger probably programmed the application himself :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

while season_tickets < 60000 do
player = player_lookup(random)
if player.price > 0 then send_rumour(player) else haggle(player)
print "We are very active"
loop
print "We will do something if we can find quality"
goto holiday()

[selassie]

while season_tickets < 60000 do
player = player_lookup(random)
if player.price > 0 then send_rumour(player) else haggle(player)
print "We are very active"
loop
print "We will do something if we can find quality"
goto holiday()

:haha:

[fakeyank]

Looks like the American flag :scarf:

[milla]

while season_tickets < 60000 do
player = player_lookup(random)
if player.price > 0 then send_rumour(player) else haggle(player)
print "We are very active"
loop
print "We will do something if we can find quality"
goto holiday()

lol hardcore coding :good:

[Munchies]

Wilshere (and Rosicky) returning to the U-21 game and both are starting.

Kick off at 7pm. Stream on www.arsenal.com

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfiay8gW8AEOr5H.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfiGJnhWEAAJi60.jpg

[Letters]

while season_tickets < 60000 do
player = player_lookup(random)
if player.price > 0 then send_rumour(player) else haggle(player)
print "We are very active"
loop
print "We will do something if we can find quality"
goto holiday()
Using go to? :sulk:

[Munchies]

Leading 2-0

First goal by Crawley is great
https://twitter.com/ArsenalTerje/status/718502449229729792

Take a bow son :bow:

2nd goal, Rosicky assist

https://twitter.com/ArsenalTerje/status/718502615194169344

[GP]

Gnabry just scored also.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfiZGtlW8AEARJS.jpg
https://twitter.com/DeejayDt/status/718492562366054401

New banner that the DT banner guy just made

should still all be on wenger imo

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJJA_K1rYeg&feature=youtu.be

[Letters]

New signings :bow:

[Kano]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfiZGtlW8AEARJS.jpg
https://twitter.com/DeejayDt/status/718492562366054401

New banner that the DT banner guy just made

should still all be on wenger imo
More desperate attention seeking from the sad fuck that is DT. What a mong.

[Munchies]

More desperate attention seeking from the sad fuck that is DT. What a mong.


it's been shared/liked nearly 1000 times and probably will spread even more tomorrow

whatever he's doing it's working :lol:

I don't mind him, his views on Wenger are on point

[Kano]

One Direction were also massively popular.

A grown man sitting at home, probably with kids, folding up a big sheet digging at people, dragging it into the stadium and holding it aloft needs to get a grip of life. It feels right that Twatter has become his spiritual home.

[Niall_Quinn]

it's been shared/liked nearly 1000 times and probably will spread even more tomorrow

whatever he's doing it's working :lol:

I don't mind him, his views on Wenger are on point

He's getting off his arse and doing something other than talking on the Internet like the rest of us. So fair play and he's grabbed plenty of attention. No way have the upper echelon fuckers missed this and if it leads to is them panicking and spending more than £2.50 in the summer transfer window then job done. Stan the leech will be taking out loans and securing all sorts of shit on the value of the club, if he hasn't done so already, so anything that rocks that particular boat is a shot well aimed.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJJA_K1rYeg&feature=youtu.be

Such a stylish player. Needs to sort his chav lifestyle out and get down to business.

[Gooner23]

I watched the full game yesterday and he definitely looked sharper than expected, as did Gnabry. Jack still ran into a lot of tackles though, would like him to try and eliminate that aspect of his game as he picks up so many knocks that way.

Also watched the youth game mid week, was really impressed with some of the current crop. Jeff, Willock and Crowley all have serious ability, just hope they apply themselves correctly.

[Marc Overmars]

One Direction were also massively popular.

A grown man sitting at home, probably with kids, folding up a big sheet digging at people, dragging it into the stadium and holding it aloft needs to get a grip of life. It feels right that Twatter has become his spiritual home.

Odd thing to say Kano when you've been vociferous in the past about no impact being made by Internet fans.

[Dicks and chicks]

Such a stylish player. Needs to sort his chav lifestyle out and get down to business.

Needs to stop dying tbh.

[Kano]

Odd thing to say Kano when you've been vociferous in the past about no impact being made by Internet fans.

A banner changes nothing. All it does is feed the media and make the fans look stupid. Actually no, it does serve one purpose. Making the guy who made the banner an online self-obsessed dickhead. It is far more about the fan than the club. If paying fans want Kroenke take notice, stay away from games. Which is an incredibly hard thing to do. But if we're talking in idealstic terms, that is the only way. The likelihood of that happening in a concerted manner is extremely slim because the Premier League, TV and the owners have got fans bent over a barrel Marsellus Wallace style. Right now Kroenke laughing his arse off at the banners and the chanting. We've seen Wenger's sneering response to criticism from fans. Silence can be way more powerful than a whole lot of noise but that doesn't seem to suit a modern era obsessed with shouting over one another making one incoherent mess.

[Munchies]

Arsenal supporter trust meeting was today

https://twitter.com/fkhanage/status/719584912874041345

HW says Mesut Özil is one of the most level-headed players he has ever met. Henry adds that he stays and extends his current contract.

Winter says Wenger hasn't been honest on the money. He says Dein boasted there was £30m available to spend every year after the stadium move

[Munchies]

HW suggests that Leicester City will lose likes of Mahrez and Kante, with the latter joining Arsenal.

https://twitter.com/fkhanage/status/719596020888420352

One can dream eh!

[Marc Overmars]

Elmo to sit and make the interceptions while Kante chases the ball like a madman.

Sign him up tbf.

[Globalgunner]

HW suggests that Leicester City will lose likes of Mahrez and Kante, with the latter joining Arsenal.

https://twitter.com/fkhanage/status/719596020888420352

One can dream eh!

Why would they come TBF. They both have a better chance of winning the CL with Leicester than they ever would with us......OK we can triple their wages, I guess.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-s-mesut-ozil-i-m-working-on-my-body-language-to-show-the-fans-i-m-still-fighting-a3223351.html

Good to hear from Ozil. He's gone up in my estimation. We need more of this from the club.


"When I make a mistake, I get annoyed and you can tell from my body language. But these days I try to make sure that I don’t do that anymore because in football you can make mistakes and play a bad pass.

“It is more for the fans, the people who watch the game, [rather than team-mates], because they might think that I’m not fighting anymore.”

[Power n Glory]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3534879/BT-s-exclusive-Euro-deal-seen-mistake-UEFA-Champions-League-suffers-losing-big-viewing-figures.html

:doh: Reports say UEFA think BT Sport deal a mistake. Of course it was. Greed really is blinding if they couldn't figure out viewing figures would drop.

[Gooner23]

Haven't watched any matches live this season, just the occasional highlight show. Can't say I've missed it that much but would probably watch games again if they were back on terrestial. Certainly have no intention of getting BT sport anytime soon.

[Ernesto]

You know Lawro has never had us down for a defeat this season? Remarkable, given that we've already played Chelsea twice.

Yet another example of how we've flattered to deceive (also exemplifies just how potent his Lawro's voodoo is!)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10243568/arsene-wenger-critical-of-decision-to-switch-kevin-friend-off-tottenham-game

Don't agree with Wenger there, it's not to suggest that Friend would be biased but you cannot take the risk of allegations of impropriety. If Spurs lose and Leicester win, than basically the title could be won next weekend. And you don't want question marks surrounding that situation.

The fact that he comments on it at all, suggests he wants Leicester to win the title mainly because he knows the stick he will get if Spurs win the title that and obviously his aim is now second place.

[Power n Glory]

I agree with Wenger on this one. A few others have said similar. It's a dangerous precedent and just calls into question the integrity of the whole process. Why stop at this one game? What about other games and other refs?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think the most essential quality of a referee is impartiality, and if there is any tangible way that can be called into question than it creates a problem.
Why shouldn't it set a precedent?. If you are attending a game in anything other than in your capacity as a referee than there is cause to ask what are you doing there.
If we knew Kevin Friend was a Leicester fan there would be no question of him being allowed to officiate a game where the result could have repurcussions on Leicester City, every decision would be under the microscope.

[Power n Glory]

I'm sure this isn't Friend's first game. He was the ref for our game against Bournemouth in February just before we beat Leicester City and he was ref for a Spurs game recently. Why start looking at this one game? What about other refs?

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/referees/profile.appointments.html/kevin-friend

The FA ask refs who they support so they already know. It's just not common knowledge to the fans. If anything, there should be a rule that refs can't be seen going to games of the club they support.

[Niall_Quinn]

I agree with Wenger on this one. A few others have said similar. It's a dangerous precedent and just calls into question the integrity of the whole process. Why stop at this one game? What about other games and other refs?

All he said was he admired Leicester. Don't we all (except Maccy)?

So off we go then. What ref are we picking for the Palace game. And is it a bit like jury selection, do we line up all the refs and then both managers can take their pick and make their strikes? Could be good fun. At least we'd never get Dean.

[Ralpheroo72]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10244774/arsene-wenger-says-arsenal-are-still-a-match-for-north-london-rivals-tottenham

He is deluded. We need a top class striker, and possibly 2 central defenders, if he thinks otherwise, then yes, he is showing signs of being senile.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10244774/arsene-wenger-says-arsenal-are-still-a-match-for-north-london-rivals-tottenham

He is deluded. We need a top class striker, and possibly 2 central defenders, if he thinks otherwise, then yes, he is showing signs of being senile.

Reading that article tells you exactly where Wenger is. In complete denial. No matter how huge the calamity he just sails on serenely, talking about the next game as if all is calm an in control behind him. Next season we'll be better, next season, next season. Why does he say it? Does he really think anyone is going to believe him? Cannot he not see his own record?

[Globalgunner]

Idris Elba is apparently an Arsenal fan. Top man!
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36036246
"Hiemdall, open the bifrost and let us get to 4th place heaven....or 3rd if need be"

[Özim]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10244774/arsene-wenger-says-arsenal-are-still-a-match-for-north-london-rivals-tottenham

He is deluded. We need a top class striker, and possibly 2 central defenders, if he thinks otherwise, then yes, he is showing signs of being senile.

He doesn't have a clue and hasn't for a long time now, you have to question his intelligence when you hear his opinions because intelligent men who want to win don't look at a team 13 points behind Leicester City and deem it to be anywhere near good enough.

If Wenger ever moved to another club, I'd feel sorry for them.

[Niall_Quinn]

He doesn't have a clue and hasn't for a long time now, you have to question his intelligence when you hear his opinions because intelligent men who want to win don't look at a team 13 points behind Leicester City and deem it to be anywhere near good enough.

If Wenger ever moved to another club, I'd feel sorry for them.

The psychology of conceit can't be summed up here on a message board, and I might be a study myself for even saying that. But anyway, you have to be damn comfortable in your position to speak the way Wenger speaks. What other manager has the time to pontificate about the beauty of man? It's ludicrous. Almost as if he perceives himself as having transcended the vulgar plane of man. But because he's a humanist he's prepared to impart his wisdom - for £8mill a year. He's not unintelligent. He's comfortable and arrogant and self absorbed.

[Munchies]

Talksport vid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OxuyAYoJfA

:haha:

[Dicks and chicks]

Can imagine ozil handing in a transfer request tbh

[Munchies]

The Emirates Cup will not be held this summer to due Euro 2016 and pitch renovation work

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/722047585834385408

Another trophy gone ffs

[Özim]

Talksport vid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OxuyAYoJfA

:haha:

:lol: Classic

[Niall_Quinn]

This is how insane the hype machine is. The best player in the league this season, by a distance if you look at the numbers, excluded so the new hype fantasy Deli Alli can be included.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3552268/PFA-Team-Year-2016-snub-Arsenal-star-Mesut-Ozil-Leicester-City-Tottenham-dominate-four-players-each.html

Not that the PFA team counts for shit, but it reveals the ongoing idiocy and the hype that has kept a player like Rooney on top for so long. If they really want to improve the national team they need to start using their brains a bit.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ha been blocked on Twitter by Claude from Arsenal Fan TV....prick :-)

[Power n Glory]

:doh: shame on both of you.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Facebook memories has reminded me that I posted this on my timeline five years ago today

"When people say Arsene Wenger is a great manager i think they use the wrong tense, he was a great manager in that his achievements in winning three league titles and four fa cups in nine seasons were great achievements. But he has stayed at the club too long, has become stagnant and it's time for him to go"

Happy Groundhog Day!

[AFC Leveller]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/13043571_580451375445231_1304617818104991296_n.jpg ?oh=63df613185828813e9bb0c079bd3e438&oe=57B4DD00

Wenger says he is confident Ozil and Sanchez will sign new deals.

[Gooner23]

:d Kiss of death.

I do worry about losing Ozil and Sanchez as I think it would set us back again, especially if Wenger hangs around for another contract. They were supposed to be the springboard for success, wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they wanted out.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil and Alexis will sign new deals if they decide that's it for them. No more titles, no more European glory nights, just a fade into nothingness and an improved paycheque. Neither player strikes me as being in that state of mind but Arsenal can do weird things to you. Like the fans, here we are, still supporting this mob because. Because, because, because. Any possible reason has long since ceased to exist as the old Arsenal has been ruthlessly replaced by this corporate thing. If Ozil and Alexis want this nothingness to be their final bow on the football stage then sure, they'll sign.

[Marc Overmars]

Lesser players than Alexis and Ozil turned their backs on Wenger, so I'm very concerned. Is he really the draw he once was? Most players under 25 aren't going to look at Wenger with any reverence, he's living off his reputation now rather than the work he's actually doing. You only have to look at the alarming lack of progress seen in certain players and you'd run a mile.

[Munchies]

Aside from Van Persie, does anyone really blame any of the others for leaving?

At the time they were massive cunts. In hindsight, they did well for themselves.

[LDG]

Ozil and Alexis will sign new deals if they decide that's it for them. No more titles, no more European glory nights, just a fade into nothingness and an improved paycheque. Neither player strikes me as being in that state of mind but Arsenal can do weird things to you. Like the fans, here we are, still supporting this mob because. Because, because, because. Any possible reason has long since ceased to exist as the old Arsenal has been ruthlessly replaced by this corporate thing. If Ozil and Alexis want this nothingness to be their final bow on the football stage then sure, they'll sign.

See this is the bit for me.

I keep thinking to myself, am I a shit fan because I'm switching off, sticking my fingers up and saying fuck you Arsenal.

The club I loved has gone. There is nothing left of it right now, save some fucking amazing memories and a name.

I hope this is just an extended break. Some will go "you're no fan!". Well bollocks. Being a fan is a two way thing. You give to the club, and the club gives back. I shouldn't be relied upon, come what may. I always said, through the good times and the bad, but surely that is reliant upon the club giving me something back? I'm not after trophies, just to feel like we belong to the club again. They're the one's distancing themselves from me, not the other way around.

We want our Arsenal back.

[Munchies]

See this is the bit for me.

I keep thinking to myself, am I a shit fan because I'm switching off, sticking my fingers up and saying fuck you Arsenal.

The club I loved has gone. There is nothing left of it right now, save some fucking amazing memories and a name.

I hope this is just an extended break. Some will go "you're no fan!". Well bollocks. Being a fan is a two way thing. You give to the club, and the club gives back. I shouldn't be relied upon, come what may. I always said, through the good times and the bad, but surely that is reliant upon the club giving me something back? I'm not after trophies, just to feel like we belong to the club again. They're the one's distancing themselves from me, not the other way around.

We want our Arsenal back.

:gp:

We're treated like utter mugs and shit by the board room and Arsene himself.

Comments like 'Don't judge the table, judge us by our performances' just before we do fuck all against a relegation team where thousands of fans travelled for 6 hours+. The team don't show any fight or anything. That Walcott bit from the game has summed it all up.

[Gooner23]

See this is the bit for me.

I keep thinking to myself, am I a shit fan because I'm switching off, sticking my fingers up and saying fuck you Arsenal.

The club I loved has gone. There is nothing left of it right now, save some fucking amazing memories and a name.

I hope this is just an extended break. Some will go "you're no fan!". Well bollocks. Being a fan is a two way thing. You give to the club, and the club gives back. I shouldn't be relied upon, come what may. I always said, through the good times and the bad, but surely that is reliant upon the club giving me something back? I'm not after trophies, just to feel like we belong to the club again. They're the one's distancing themselves from me, not the other way around.

We want our Arsenal back.

:gp:

This pretty much sums it up for me as well. I lost faith with Wenger quite a few years ago but after the FA cups I renewed a little bit of hope he might just be able to change his ways and prove the doubters wrong. But this season has absolutely proved in my mind Wenger must go, and until he does we wont be challenging again. Furthermore I have never felt more disenchanted with the club, and those in charge of it. For the first time supporting Arsenal I will be going into next season not caring. I have no intention of going to any live matches, wont be going out of way to watch us play on TV. I will still follow results, but the emotional investment just wont be there.

[Power n Glory]

See this is the bit for me.

I keep thinking to myself, am I a shit fan because I'm switching off, sticking my fingers up and saying fuck you Arsenal.

The club I loved has gone. There is nothing left of it right now, save some fucking amazing memories and a name.

I hope this is just an extended break. Some will go "you're no fan!". Well bollocks. Being a fan is a two way thing. You give to the club, and the club gives back. I shouldn't be relied upon, come what may. I always said, through the good times and the bad, but surely that is reliant upon the club giving me something back? I'm not after trophies, just to feel like we belong to the club again. They're the one's distancing themselves from me, not the other way around.

We want our Arsenal back.

:gp:

[Letters]

See this is the bit for me.

I keep thinking to myself, am I a shit fan because I'm switching off, sticking my fingers up and saying fuck you Arsenal.

The club I loved has gone. There is nothing left of it right now, save some fucking amazing memories and a name.

I hope this is just an extended break. Some will go "you're no fan!". Well bollocks. Being a fan is a two way thing. You give to the club, and the club gives back. I shouldn't be relied upon, come what may. I always said, through the good times and the bad, but surely that is reliant upon the club giving me something back? I'm not after trophies, just to feel like we belong to the club again. They're the one's distancing themselves from me, not the other way around.

We want our Arsenal back.
:gp:

It's actually not about how we're doing. Well, it is partly about that - if we were winning titles I think we could tolerate the rest more easily.
But it's mostly about the disdain the club have for the fans these days. We have simply become customers to them, yes they'll woo us when they want our money but that's about it.
And all so they can pay Walcott £140k a week to pull out of challenges like he did yesterday.
It's not just us, it's the way sport has gone generally, but we are the poster club for it.

[Power n Glory]

Aside from Van Persie, does anyone really blame any of the others for leaving?

At the time they were massive cunts. In hindsight, they did well for themselves.


I blame the club more than RVP in that situation. He’s been an absolute prick since leaving but I can’t understand why the club sold to Man Utd. We weren’t desperate for money and they must have known we were about to be flush with cash from the new sponsorship deals which we announced the very next Summer. It just seemed like a feeble attempt to keep him. We were hinting all through his last season that we couldn’t afford the wages. I don’t see why we couldn’t keep him for the last year of his contract and return to the negotiation table once we had the new sponsorship deals signed up. They must have known well in advanced that we were about to come into new money?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Joint responsibility, Van Persie for being willing to go to United (from what i can gather he insisted on going there) and us for selling him to them when we could have bit the bullet and lost him for nothing....which says a lot about Wenger having too much respect for his overpaid darlings.

Although I will say in Wenger's defence he has learnt somewhat from that horrendous misdeed, in the case of Vermaelen and Debuchy who were wanted by United we made sure they didn't go to United.

[Bumble]

Joint responsibility, Van Persie for being willing to go to United (from what i can gather he insisted on going there) and us for selling him to them when we could have bit the bullet and lost him for nothing....which says a lot about Wenger having too much respect for his overpaid darlings.

Although I will say in Wenger's defence he has learnt somewhat from that horrendous misdeed, in the case of Vermaelen and Debuchy who were wanted by United we made sure they didn't go to United.
Although he perhaps should have allowed Vermaelen to go to United to eat up there wage bill for a player that never plays.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Although he perhaps should have allowed Vermaelen to go to United to eat up there wage bill for a player that never plays.

Meh either way, we sold a player who if he was a car would have failed it's MOT for 15million....actually good piece of business. Of course we failed to do the other thing right and sign a defender afterwards (until January anyway).

[selassie]

:d Kiss of death.

I do worry about losing Ozil and Sanchez as I think it would set us back again, especially if Wenger hangs around for another contract. They were supposed to be the springboard for success, wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they wanted out.

We won't keep either of them, I get the impression Ozil is in the early stages of trying to engineer his way out of the club, the body language especially towards Giroud yesterday (who blames him!) was a sight for sore eyes.

Ozil has been very vocal lately in the media regarding the teams performances, he's right about what he has been saying too.

If the club can make a profit on Ozil then he'll be sold, we know how Wenger operates when it comes to an unhappy player, he won't change.

Sanchez for me is a slightly different case, he's not as vocal but I think he'll go too...he won't stick around waiting, he's no need to, reaching the peak years of his career and he's use to winning.

[Letters]

I think they'll hang around another year IF (and I cannot stress how big an if that is) we do the right things in the transfer market this summer.
Sign a couple of big players and they'll probably hang around for one more season at least.

[selassie]

I think they'll hang around another year IF (and I cannot stress how big an if that is) we do the right things in the transfer market this summer.
Sign a couple of big players and they'll probably hang around for one more season at least.

So they will leave then?

Wenger won't do what everyone has been telling him to do, I'm not being negative or a pessimist, it's how Wenger operates. I'm not saying he won't sign anyone, he probably will, but a summer of signing Elnenys and Sanogos won't keep Ozil and Sanchez here.

We're talking about a man here who didn't sign a single OUTFIELD player last summer because he couldn't find anyone better than what we currently have?!!!

[Letters]

No, he didn't sign an OUTFIELD player but the player he did sign is world class, as are his main signings in the previous summers who are OUTFIELD players.
I think we'll be looking for a major signing this summer, whether we'll get one is another matter of course.

[Kano]

We won't keep either of them, I get the impression Ozil is in the early stages of trying to engineer his way out of the club, the body language especially towards Giroud yesterday (who blames him!) was a sight for sore eyes.

Ozil has been very vocal lately in the media regarding the teams performances, he's right about what he has been saying too.

If the club can make a profit on Ozil then he'll be sold, we know how Wenger operates when it comes to an unhappy player, he won't change.

Sanchez for me is a slightly different case, he's not as vocal but I think he'll go too...he won't stick around waiting, he's no need to, reaching the peak years of his career and he's use to winning.

If they were both to leave, it wouldn't be at the same time.

Ozil did also say this about body language a couple of weeks ago, so I wouldn't read anything into seeing him on the pitch.


‘My goal is to make sure my body language is right,’ Ozil said.

‘When I make a mistake, I get annoyed and you can tell from my body language.

‘But these days I try to make sure that I don’t do that anymore because in football you can make mistakes and play a bad pass.

‘It is more for the fans, the people who watch the game, [rather than team-mates], because they might think that I’m not fighting anymore.’

[selassie]

No, he didn't sign an OUTFIELD player but the player he did sign is world class, as are his main signings in the previous summers who are OUTFIELD players.
I think we'll be looking for a major signing this summer, whether we'll get one is another matter of course.

Yes he signed a World Class Keeper six seasons after the whole world had been telling him that his basement bargain keepers were the worst in the league, but oh know, he was right and everybody else was wrong.

Cech was a good signing, I won't discredit it him for that, but we needed more and have needed more for quite some time.

One big signing most likely won't be enough now, he needs to fix up the various areas of the squad he has mismanaged.

[selassie]

If they were both to leave, it wouldn't be at the same time.

Ozil did also say this about body language a couple of weeks ago, so I wouldn't read anything into seeing him on the pitch.

Fair play Kano, one of the reasons why I think Ozil will go is because he made a comment after he signed about how this club has big plans, it was one of the reasons to why he joined, though to be fair he did say playing for Wenger was a big influence in that decision too.

I assume Ozil was referring to the big plans part in regards to incoming players etc....I just think that this season has been very damaging for the club, more so than Wenger would like to let on and I think that with Contract renewal up....we're in a dicey position when it comes to Ozil and Sanchez, unless we make big changes I fail to see why in there eyes they see a prosperous future here?

[Niall_Quinn]

So how did the ref do?
http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/49261

LOL. This should be done for every game. Provided I'm not the one who has to do it.

EDIT: Oh, he does do them for every game.
http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/52142

Troubling stats those. Not that we didn't know already.

[Gooner23]

Fair play Kano, one of the reasons why I think Ozil will go is because he made a comment after he signed about how this club has big plans, it was one of the reasons to why he joined, though to be fair he did say playing for Wenger was a big influence in that decision too.

I assume Ozil was referring to the big plans part in regards to incoming players etc....I just think that this season has been very damaging for the club, more so than Wenger would like to let on and I think that with Contract renewal up....we're in a dicey position when it comes to Ozil and Sanchez, unless we make big changes I fail to see why in there eyes they see a prosperous future here?

Also, I think it goes way beyond player signings now. Wenger's methods and systems just aren't good enough, regardless who is playing or who he signs in the summer. Fans have known it for a while but I think the players are really showing signs of losing faith as well.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So how did the ref do?
http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/49261

LOL. This should be done for every game. Provided I'm not the one who has to do it.

EDIT: Oh, he does do them for every game.
http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/52142

Troubling stats those. Not that we didn't know already.

Who determines what constitutes a decision that has gone against us

Yesterday we had a penalty appeal turned down and a penalty appeal against us also turned down. Neither were penalties

[I am invisible]

See this is the bit for me.

I keep thinking to myself, am I a shit fan because I'm switching off, sticking my fingers up and saying fuck you Arsenal.

The club I loved has gone. There is nothing left of it right now, save some fucking amazing memories and a name.

I hope this is just an extended break. Some will go "you're no fan!". Well bollocks. Being a fan is a two way thing. You give to the club, and the club gives back. I shouldn't be relied upon, come what may. I always said, through the good times and the bad, but surely that is reliant upon the club giving me something back? I'm not after trophies, just to feel like we belong to the club again. They're the one's distancing themselves from me, not the other way around.

We want our Arsenal back.

Mate, if you're still angry enough to get that wound up about it then you're still a proper fan in my book.

Unfortunately, I can't see my relationship with the club (or the game) ever being quite the same again now. That's not said in anger or anything, and it doesn't mean that I hate my club - life has just moved on for me while the club has stood still, and football now sits a long way down my list of priorities. I have a 7 month old daughter now, I'm a homeowner, I'm a senior member of staff at my company, and I'm a commuter. I get maybe an hour and a half to myself in the evenings, and spend most weekends shopping and catching up on housework, when I'm not looking after the little one. With the best will in the world, I just don't have the time or the money to get that invested in it any more, and, if I'm being brutally honest, I don't think I actually miss it that much? Some bits I do, but in general I'm kind of enjoying having my evenings and weekends free from it to get on with other stuff. Maybe I'll get more involved again when the kids have grown up, and I'm bored to shit in my retirement, but at the moment I'm quite happy being a very casual armchair supporter.

The big worry for the club should be if there's more fans out there like me, not more fans like you!

[Niall_Quinn]

Who determines what constitutes a decision that has gone against us

Yesterday we had a penalty appeal turned down and a penalty appeal against us also turned down. Neither were penalties

They consult with me and I give them the definitive and unimpeachable answer.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I see....very much above board then

[selassie]

Also, I think it goes way beyond player signings now. Wenger's methods and systems just aren't good enough, regardless who is playing or who he signs in the summer. Fans have known it for a while but I think the players are really showing signs of losing faith as well.

Totally agree, I've lost all faith in Wenger, a summer of him signing world class players wouldn't change that for me because I honestly don't think or trust him to get it right. He's done at the top level, he needs to move aside and let someone else have a go.

[AFC Leveller]

Not only has the manager stagnated and failed to make any progress, a lot of our players have been stuck in a rut for years now. Walcott, Gibbs, Ramsay etc just don't do anything of note. Gibbs and Walcott don't play enough games, they are happy to coast along earning thousands of pounds a week. The whole culture is need of wholesale changes.

[Niall_Quinn]

Going to be a tough balancing act over the summer. Wenger has fucked us good and proper and needs to go. That much is beyond reasonable dispute. However, there will be plenty of anti-Arsenal snipers out there looking to capitalise on the damage Wenger has done and continues to do. Through all of this it's going to be key to stick up for the club and spit back in those wankers' faces, yet remain committed to removing the cause of all our problems - Wenger.

First up will be the attack on our players. If they can be unsettled then that's a big win for our haters. Durham has started the ball rolling with an early attack. Apparently the best player in the league is not suited to the league. Alexis will be next and I'm sure Bellerin's name will crop up too. Ideal scenario for the haters is Ozil gone, Alexis gone, Bellerin gone or badly unsettled - and Wenger to remain. We need the opposite to happen. The odds are against us.

[AFC Leveller]

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/time-for-change.html

[Power n Glory]

Going to be a tough balancing act over the summer. Wenger has fucked us good and proper and needs to go. That much is beyond reasonable dispute. However, there will be plenty of anti-Arsenal snipers out there looking to capitalise on the damage Wenger has done and continues to do. Through all of this it's going to be key to stick up for the club and spit back in those wankers' faces, yet remain committed to removing the cause of all our problems - Wenger.

First up will be the attack on our players. If they can be unsettled then that's a big win for our haters. Durham has started the ball rolling with an early attack. Apparently the best player in the league is not suited to the league. Alexis will be next and I'm sure Bellerin's name will crop up too. Ideal scenario for the haters is Ozil gone, Alexis gone, Bellerin gone or badly unsettled - and Wenger to remain. We need the opposite to happen. The odds are against us.

I agree with Durham for once but overall you are right. People will try to exploit this situation.

[AFC Leveller]

I agree with Durham for once but overall you are right. People will try to exploit this situation.

Yeah i think Durham makes some good points, Ozil is brilliant and his assist tally is no fluke but overall i don't think he is the type of player to take us to the next level (unless we buy a proper striker) where as Sanchez can score goals out of nothing (See West Brom game) and win us games on his own.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Interesting if he can't take us forward, because I think he is capable of taking almost every other team forward

Frankly if it was a choice between him and Sanchez, would choose Ozil all day long. Sanchez's one footedness has been found out and lots of teams defend to stop him from cutting inside plus you don't see the work rate from him as much this season.

Don't get me wrong I think keeping him and Ozil are a must, but if we lose anyone for me got to be the Chilean I think there are plenty of like for like replacements out there. The level of Ozils footballing intelligence and ability to see a pass would only be surpassed by someone like Xavi.

[AFC Leveller]

Interesting if he can't take us forward, because I think he is capable of taking almost every other team forward

Frankly if it was a choice between him and Sanchez, would choose Ozil all day long. Sanchez's one footedness has been found out and lots of teams defend to stop him from cutting inside plus you don't see the work rate from him as much this season.

Don't get me wrong I think keeping him and Ozil are a must, but if we lose anyone for me got to be the Chilean I think there are plenty of like for like replacements out there. The level of Ozils footballing intelligence and ability to see a pass would only be surpassed by someone like Xavi.

We finished 3rd/4th before Ozil came and we are still 3rd/4th with im here so he hasnt taken us a step up, although thats not because he isnt world class but not what we need to go up a level. This team needs goal a goal scorer who can get 30 a season and win us those tough 0-1s away from home. Ozil is a class player but if i was to choose between him and Sanchez i'd choose Sanchez because of his goal threat and direct impact on the team.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If we want a 30 goal a season player, it would be prudent to buy one.....where as someone who plays on the wing and chips in with 15-20 goals a season are all over the place.

a 30 goal a season player would be best assisted by someone who can provide him with those goals, and no-one in our central midfield has the ability to provide the constant goal scoring opportunities that Ozil does.

The reason Ozil hasn't individually taken us forward is because we have a deficient Manager.

[Power n Glory]

Interesting if he can't take us forward, because I think he is capable of taking almost every other team forward

Frankly if it was a choice between him and Sanchez, would choose Ozil all day long. Sanchez's one footedness has been found out and lots of teams defend to stop him from cutting inside plus you don't see the work rate from him as much this season.

Don't get me wrong I think keeping him and Ozil are a must, but if we lose anyone for me got to be the Chilean I think there are plenty of like for like replacements out there. The level of Ozils footballing intelligence and ability to see a pass would only be surpassed by someone like Xavi.

Xavi is the wrong player to compare him with. That’s probably where our little debate falls down. If he was operating from a deeper position similar to a Pirlo or Xavi, I’d take your point on board and the comparison would be welcome. You also say Sanchez is predictable but at our worse, he’s been the one making a difference. Isn’t it possible that his off form moment was down to recovering from injury like he said?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not outright comparing him to Xavi (even though Xavi has never played as deep as Pirlo in his career) i'm comparing his passing ability

But if you are happy for him to leave like i said, you have to be thankful for small mercies and i am genuinely thankful that you are not responsible for that decision.

[Gooner23]

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/time-for-change.html

Will be interesting to see how many take part. If I had a ticket I definitely would.

[Munchies]

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/time-for-change.html

Great stuff

Hope it takes off

:scarf:

http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/uploads/2/1/1/2/21123492/2228744_orig.png

[Power n Glory]

If we want a 30 goal a season player, it would be prudent to buy one.....where as someone who plays on the wing and chips in with 15-20 goals a season are all over the place.

a 30 goal a season player would be best assisted by someone who can provide him with those goals, and no-one in our central midfield has the ability to provide the constant goal scoring opportunities that Ozil does.

The reason Ozil hasn't individually taken us forward is because we have a deficient Manager.

Wait a minute? Special strikers like RVP, Aguero, Suarez, Lewandowski don’t depend on a lone player like Ozil to get goals. Suarez was a beast with Ajax, a beast with Liverpool and still a beast with Barca. I’m sure a player like Ozil would make it easier for them to get goals but they won’t stop being goal scorers if he weren’t there. I can’t say the same for Ozil. He’s not a player that can stand on his own.

Also, what happens when those special strikers are having an off game or gets injured/suspended? I’ll take a winger that can bag 20+ goals and 10+ assists a season all day. They can at least take the weight off the striker in certain games. Ozil can’t do that as we’ve been seeing throughout his Arsenal career.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So neither Aguero or Lewandowski have benefitted massively from the quality of midfielders behind them creating them chances to feed off?? Interesting.

And Suarezs goal scoring whilst also excellent has increased playing in a team with Iniesta behind him

Like I say you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm glad your not in a position to do anything with that opinion.

Like I say I want to keep both players but the kind of goals we get from Sanchez are easier to replace than the type of killer passes from Ozil.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not outright comparing him to Xavi (even though Xavi has never played as deep as Pirlo in his career) i'm comparing his passing ability

But if you are happy for him to leave like i said, you have to be thankful for small mercies and i am genuinely thankful that you are not responsible for that decision.

I’m indifferent. If one of the top clubs wanted to take Ozil and we’d get their world class striker (Aubameyang, Lewandowski, Aguero, etc) , I’d take the deal. I think we’d create chances and they’d be able to create their own without an Ozil. That’s why I don’t think he’s essential. If he were the table of player to make very average players around him look a lot better (Cesc effect on Ade) I’d say he’s essential. But that’s not the case.

[Power n Glory]

So neither Aguero or Lewandowski have benefitted massively from the quality of midfielders behind them creating them chances to feed off?? Interesting.

And Suarezs goal scoring whilst also excellent has increased playing in a team with Iniesta behind him

Like I say you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm glad your not in a position to do anything with that opinion.

Like I say I want to keep both players but the kind of goals we get from Sanchez are easier to replace than the type of killer passes from Ozil.

Again, what happens when that player gets injured or suspended? Use some common sense.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Adebayor when playing with Fabregas was better than Giroud or Wellbeck, would not have failed to miss the chances created for him by Ozil

Really we'd create chances?....who would create them?....Ramsey??......an ageing Cazorla who even when he comes back will not be able to play the same number of games he played before?.....maybe we can just hoof it from defence and hope that we sign an Ian Wright type striker to stick them away??.

If we were offered Aubameyang i'd happily sell Sanchez to bring him in, because then we have someone who can play up front and on the wing and like i say plenty of wide players who we can bring in to replace the goals Sanchez brings in, and to replace the work rate he no longer brings.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Again, what happens when that player gets injured or suspended? Use some common sense.

Who gets injured or Suspended?......I'm not saying if we sold Sanchez we wouldn't replace him that would be stupid....i just think it would be easier to do so.

[Power n Glory]

Adebayor when playing with Fabregas was better than Giroud or Wellbeck, would not have failed to miss the chances created for him by Ozil

Really we'd create chances?....who would create them?....Ramsey??......an ageing Cazorla who even when he comes back will not be able to play the same number of games he played before?.....maybe we can just hoof it from defence and hope that we sign an Ian Wright type striker to stick them away??.

If we were offered Aubameyang i'd happily sell Sanchez to bring him in, because then we have someone who can play up front and on the wing and like i say plenty of wide players who we can bring in to replace the goals Sanchez brings in, and to replace the work rate he no longer brings.

Sanchez has been scoring the goals recently and Ozil hasn't contributed an assist to one of his goals. Work it out it for yourself. Look at where the goals have come from and then talk to me.

[Power n Glory]

Who gets injured or Suspended?......I'm not saying if we sold Sanchez we wouldn't replace him that would be stupid....i just think it would be easier to do so.

If Ozil needs a star striker to shine, what happens when that star striker gets injured or suspended? That pretty much takes Ozil out of the game as well, no? It's why I stress he needs to add more to his bow. Have more of an impact on the game if we're without certain players.

Leicester City having Mahrez is a key example.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah i think Durham makes some good points, Ozil is brilliant and his assist tally is no fluke but overall i don't think he is the type of player to take us to the next level (unless we buy a proper striker) where as Sanchez can score goals out of nothing (See West Brom game) and win us games on his own.

But that's the whole point, isn't it? The striker. If Wenger had done his job then we wouldn't be talking about any of this. If he goes another transfer window without getting a proper striker in then it will have to go down as the worst act of negligence since Harry Redknapp did anything.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Sanchez has been scoring the goals recently and Ozil hasn't contributed an assist to one of his goals. Work it out it for yourself. Look at where the goals have come from and then talk to me.

Right six goals scored in a period where the title was to all intents and purposes as good as over?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If Ozil needs a star striker to shine, what happens when that star striker gets injured or suspended? That pretty much takes Ozil out of the game as well, no? It's why I stress he needs to add more to his bow. Have more of an impact on the game if we're without certain players.

Leicester City having Mahrez is a key example.

No he doesn't need a star striker, he just needs someone better than Giroud or Wellbeck.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If Ozil needs a star striker to shine, what happens when that star striker gets injured or suspended? That pretty much takes Ozil out of the game as well, no? It's why I stress he needs to add more to his bow. Have more of an impact on the game if we're without certain players.

Leicester City having Mahrez is a key example.

I prefer to put my faith in someone who isn't just a one season wonder, lets see if Mahrez can score and create as consistently over the next few seasons whether he stays at Leicester or not.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wait a minute? Special strikers like RVP, Aguero, Suarez, Lewandowski don’t depend on a lone player like Ozil to get goals. Suarez was a beast with Ajax, a beast with Liverpool and still a beast with Barca. I’m sure a player like Ozil would make it easier for them to get goals but they won’t stop being goal scorers if he weren’t there. I can’t say the same for Ozil. He’s not a player that can stand on his own.

Also, what happens when those special strikers are having an off game or gets injured/suspended? I’ll take a winger that can bag 20+ goals and 10+ assists a season all day. They can at least take the weight off the striker in certain games. Ozil can’t do that as we’ve been seeing throughout his Arsenal career.

You are badly underestimating the importance of Ozil in terms of us retaining possession. Cazorla is a huge miss in that respect too. We actually don't have many players who can keep the play moving along in a meaningful manner, without losing the ball at the first sign of pressure. It's always very noticeable when Ozil doesn't play because we end up giving the ball away so much and our front men end up isolated and even more ineffective than usual.

There's the argument that Ozil doesn't make a difference on his own, doesn't move us on, doesn't score enough or whatever. All open for debate. But what's beyond debate is if we lost him then we'd rapidly need a replacement or else our ability to move the ball and retain it would fall off a cliff. Considering we got Ozil for £40mill I can't see where we'd be getting anyone of similar quality in that price range.

Keeping Ozil and Alexis is one of the vital steps that needs to be taken this summer, followed by serious commitment in the transfer market. If we can't achieve these things then forget about anything else. We'll need some serious players to carry that idiot of a manager, Ozil is one of those players.

[Power n Glory]

Right six goals scored in a period where the title was to all intents and purposes as good as over?

When was the title race over?

Since the New Year, Ozil has tallied up 2 goals and 3 assists in the league. I think we’ve scored 25 goals from there until now. So where have the assists come from? You tell me.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

When was the title race over?

Since the New Year, Ozil has tallied up 2 goals and 3 assists in the league. I think we’ve scored 25 goals from there until now. So where have the assists come from? You tell me.

Since the new year we've won 6 out of sixteen and only scored 25 in that time. If he's still creating chances which he is, whose fault is it that they aren't being taken?.

But of course he should be scoring more because he has to single handedly wipe the teams arse when Giroud proves to be dog shit.

[Power n Glory]

I prefer to put my faith in someone who isn't just a one season wonder, lets see if Mahrez can score and create as consistently over the next few seasons whether he stays at Leicester or not.

:doh: Use some common sense. I'm talking about the importance of having another player on the pitch that can make an impact and take the weight off the shoulders of others. It goes back to what you said about Sanchez not being as important as Ozil.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You are badly underestimating the importance of Ozil in terms of us retaining possession. Cazorla is a huge miss in that respect too. We actually don't have many players who can keep the play moving along in a meaningful manner, without losing the ball at the first sign of pressure. It's always very noticeable when Ozil doesn't play because we end up giving the ball away so much and our front men end up isolated and even more ineffective than usual.

There's the argument that Ozil doesn't make a difference on his own, doesn't move us on, doesn't score enough or whatever. All open for debate. But what's beyond debate is if we lost him then we'd rapidly need a replacement or else our ability to move the ball and retain it would fall off a cliff. Considering we got Ozil for £40mill I can't see where we'd be getting anyone of similar quality in that price range.

Keeping Ozil and Alexis is one of the vital steps that needs to be taken this summer, followed by serious commitment in the transfer market. If we can't achieve these things then forget about anything else. We'll need some serious players to carry that idiot of a manager, Ozil is one of those players.

Exactly off the top of my head look at the game against Olympaikos, Girouds first goal....a Ramsey assist but who does the ground work by finding Ramsey with an inch perfect pass after his back was to goal.

[Power n Glory]

Since the new year we've won 6 out of sixteen and only scored 25 in that time. If he's still creating chances which he is, whose fault is it that they aren't being taken?.

But of course he should be scoring more because he has to single handedly wipe the teams arse when Giroud proves to be dog shit.

Well that just backs up what I'm saying about him being easily nullified. He's dependent on other players taking chances where a player like Sanchez can create chances and make his own chances.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

:doh: Use some common sense. I'm talking about the importance of having another player on the pitch that can make an impact and take the weight off the shoulders of others. It goes back to what you said about Sanchez not being as important as Ozil.

My point is a winger that can play as a forward is easier to replace than what Ozil does....even if he doesn't directly assist he facilitates assist by creating space and seeing passes that few other players can.

I'm not for a second suggesting even if I was prepared to sell Sanchez not replacing him.

[Power n Glory]

You are badly underestimating the importance of Ozil in terms of us retaining possession. Cazorla is a huge miss in that respect too. We actually don't have many players who can keep the play moving along in a meaningful manner, without losing the ball at the first sign of pressure. It's always very noticeable when Ozil doesn't play because we end up giving the ball away so much and our front men end up isolated and even more ineffective than usual.

There's the argument that Ozil doesn't make a difference on his own, doesn't move us on, doesn't score enough or whatever. All open for debate. But what's beyond debate is if we lost him then we'd rapidly need a replacement or else our ability to move the ball and retain it would fall off a cliff. Considering we got Ozil for £40mill I can't see where we'd be getting anyone of similar quality in that price range.

Keeping Ozil and Alexis is one of the vital steps that needs to be taken this summer, followed by serious commitment in the transfer market. If we can't achieve these things then forget about anything else. We'll need some serious players to carry that idiot of a manager, Ozil is one of those players.

After all the complaints about useless possession is that the path we want to go down? Ozil isn't that important to keeping possession. That was seen when we lost Cazorla and Ramsey came in with Flamini. Elneny has helped steady the boat and get us flowing again. Ozil only makes around 60-70 passes a game and operates from too high up the pitch to dictate our tempo.

[Power n Glory]

My point is a winger that can play as a forward is easier to replace than what Ozil does....even if he doesn't directly assist he facilitates assist by creating space and seeing passes that few other players can.

I'm not for a second suggesting even if I was prepared to sell Sanchez not replacing him.

Are there many wide players out there that can score that many goals? It won't come cheap. I'm pretty sure replacing Ozil won't be cheap but I'm sure the equivalent could score more goals which gives us more of a tactical edge.

In fact, I’d take another Sanchez type player on the wide right if they’re that easy to come by and have stronger CM’s in the centre feeding them. Two wingers that can each get 20+ goals and 10-15 assists….that’s worth more than one Ozil.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I reiterate i'm just glad you aren't manager

The money isn't the issue, we paid 35million for Sanchez doubtless we'd have to pay easily that much for a replacement....i don't particularly want to replace him i'm happy for him to stay but the difference is if it came between him and Ozil there is no choice. Replacing Sanchez would be expensive, replacing Ozil would be almost impossible because there are hardly any players out there with his footballing brain

We need to stretch play all over the park, having wingers who can provide and score goals is obviously important but you have to have someone with the necessary intelligence and reading of the game to make play for the wingers otherwise we are just relying on their pace and the opposition not to double up on them.

Who is going to provide that play? Ramsey?....Ramsey who requires two or three touches to get the ball under control who is slow to see a pass and who far too often gives the ball away and who if not for his goalscoring exploits would have been sold by now by a decent decisive manager.

Anyway i sense we are going to go round and round on this. Don't get me wrong I love Sanchez and can see why he's a fan favourite...and he is definitely a key player for us. But I genuinely believe Ozil on pure natural ability alone is the best player at this club....you prefer to take the other view and side with Adrian Durham....therefore there is I doubt anything i could say that will convince you.

[Niall_Quinn]

After all the complaints about useless possession is that the path we want to go down? Ozil isn't that important to keeping possession. That was seen when we lost Cazorla and Ramsey came in with Flamini. Elneny has helped steady the boat and get us flowing again. Ozil only makes around 60-70 passes a game and operates from too high up the pitch to dictate our tempo.

Not saying that we do much with the possession, but without it we struggle even more. The quality in this squad isn't as high as some believe. We have some fuck awful players in terms of their effectiveness on a pitch. The squad looks great on paper but now we are seeing through the Wenger hype about some of these players. We are waiting, waiting, waiting for them to come good but no signs. Last thing we can afford is to lose any of the quality we do have. It's unthinkable because that manager of ours won't spend to replace it.

[Power n Glory]

I reiterate i'm just glad you aren't manager

The money isn't the issue, we paid 35million for Sanchez doubtless we'd have to pay easily that much for a replacement....i don't particularly want to replace him i'm happy for him to stay but the difference is if it came between him and Ozil there is no choice. Replacing Sanchez would be expensive, replacing Ozil would be almost impossible because there are hardly any players out there with his footballing brain

We need to stretch play all over the park, having wingers who can provide and score goals is obviously important but you have to have someone with the necessary intelligence and reading of the game to make play for the wingers otherwise we are just relying on their pace and the opposition not to double up on them.

Who is going to provide that play? Ramsey?....Ramsey who requires two or three touches to get the ball under control who is slow to see a pass and who far too often gives the ball away and who if not for his goalscoring exploits would have been sold by now by a decent decisive manager.

Anyway i sense we are going to go round and round on this. Don't get me wrong I love Sanchez and can see why he's a fan favourite...and he is definitely a key player for us. But I genuinely believe Ozil on pure natural ability alone is the best player at this club....you prefer to take the other view and side with Adrian Durham....therefore there is I doubt anything i could say that will convince you.

:unsure: ok

You are definitely overplaying Ozil's importance to this team. Unless your Ronaldo or Messi, no player is impossible to replace. Totally different players and not in the same position, but if you could swap Ozil for Suarez or Aguero, would you? All hypothetical of course. I don't want to confuse you any further. :lol: Do you think not having a player like Ozil behind them would stop them from scoring 30 goals this season and coming up with winners? There is a difference between someone enhancing another players game and someone being essential to another players game and codependent.

The Ramsey point is another silly example because he's a CM that needs replacing anyway and the function he's supposed to provide comes from Cazorla and Elneny, not Ozil.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Nothing you say confuses me, I just personally find it absurd. If I cared what you think you might possibly cause offence by inferring stupidity on my part for not agreeing with you, but as it is i am engaging in this debate out of boredom.

Exactly Ronaldo and Messi are two different players in different positions so there is absolutely no sense in even fleetingly making a comparison.

However I think it's obvious to anyone that both players are far less effective for their national sides than they are for their respective clubs.

[Power n Glory]

Not saying that we do much with the possession, but without it we struggle even more. The quality in this squad isn't as high as some believe. We have some fuck awful players in terms of their effectiveness on a pitch. The squad looks great on paper but now we are seeing through the Wenger hype about some of these players. We are waiting, waiting, waiting for them to come good but no signs. Last thing we can afford is to lose any of the quality we do have. It's unthinkable because that manager of ours won't spend to replace it.


The quality in this squad really isn't that high and it's why each of the players have to look at themselves. The season is a shambles and I've seen better play come from the Cesc, Hleb, Rosicky, RVP and Ade days and they faced tougher opposition with a much weaker squad. The manager certainly has to go first and it's why I don't see any player here that's essential. We need a new philosophy and if we were to bring in someone new (pipe dream, I know) we're looking at a new canvas. A lightweight playmaker might not be in their plans. If someone came in and wanted to play two strikers up front, where does that leave a player like Ozil?

[Power n Glory]

Nothing you say confuses me, I just personally find it absurd. If I cared what you think you might possibly cause offence by inferring stupidity on my part for not agreeing with you, but as it is i am engaging in this debate out of boredom.

Exactly Ronaldo and Messi are two different players in different positions so there is absolutely no sense in even fleetingly making a comparison.

However I think it's obvious to anyone that both players are far less effective for their national sides than they are for their respective clubs.

I mean, why the heck would you repeat such a comment unless your confused? You don't have to agree, but I find it silly.


I reiterate i'm just glad you aren't manager

I'm not comparing Ronaldo and Messi to Ozil either. Just challenging that statement about Ozil being impossible to replace.

At least try to answer this one if you have time to waste. :lol:


Do you think not having a player like Ozil behind them would stop them from scoring 30 goals this season and coming up with winners? There is a difference between someone enhancing another players game and someone being essential to another players game and codependent.