Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Globalgunner]

The system is shit. They absolutely do not give fair consideration to both parties. Even so, he got the bummest of rides if they gave her both houses and left him with none. Did Eboue represent himself? Only possible explanation.

This is also the reason why agents are douchebags. Why on earth are the players never advised to put at least 10% into a retirement/pension scheme. There is no way ANY judge would dare touch that.

[Power n Glory]

Eboue was never the sharpest tool in the box, that was easy to see when he played for us. A complete clown.

That doesn't take away from the fact that it's bullshit. Even if he's the dumbest guy in the world, this shouldn't be allowed to happen.

[Power n Glory]

The system is shit. They absolutely do not give fair consideration to both parties. Even so, he got the bummest of rides if they gave her both houses and left him with none. Did Eboue represent himself? Only possible explanation.

This is also the reason why agents are douchebags. Why on earth are the players never advised to put at least 10% into a retirement/pension scheme. There is no way ANY judge would dare touch that.

Agents are vultures. Happens often in sport and music where athletes and artists are left broke after getting screwed over by people they trust. It's not a surprise because most of these guys have advisors in their early teens. Taught to focus on their talent and deliver on performances whilst someone else takes care of the business aspect. It's a hard lesson to learn. Young and naive.

[Cripps]

I have sympathy for him. Regardless of how much he earned, the court system is biased in favour of women and if we're talking about equality and gender rights, this should be looked into. How the heck is the court awarding his wife all of his assets?

Equality :haha:

[Cripps]

The system is shit. They absolutely do not give fair consideration to both parties. Even so, he got the bummest of rides if they gave her both houses and left him with none. Did Eboue represent himself? Only possible explanation.

This is also the reason why agents are douchebags. Why on earth are the players never advised to put at least 10% into a retirement/pension scheme. There is no way ANY judge would dare touch that.

He can stay in the Currants thread with Letters.

[Niall_Quinn]

The system is shit. They absolutely do not give fair consideration to both parties. Even so, he got the bummest of rides if they gave her both houses and left him with none. Did Eboue represent himself? Only possible explanation.

This is also the reason why agents are douchebags. Why on earth are the players never advised to put at least 10% into a retirement/pension scheme. There is no way ANY judge would dare touch that.

Of course the system is shit. From top to bottom. Wrapped in a whole bunch of lies. Crappy lies like women are discriminated against. When you look into the legal rights a father has in relation to his children then you see some seriously shitty discrimination.

[Cripps]

Of course the system is shit. From top to bottom. Wrapped in a whole bunch of lies. Crappy lies like women are discriminated against. When you look into the legal rights a father has in relation to his children then you see some seriously shitty discrimination.

Can stop you using the term women. Use a more gender fluid term :sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

Can stop you using the term women. Use a more gender fluid term :sulk:

Okay, I see where the problem is.

wo-people.

Or better yet:

wo-peopleexceptmen

[Penguin]

Agents are vultures. Happens often in sport and music where athletes and artists are left broke after getting screwed over by people they trust. It's not a surprise because most of these guys have advisors in their early teens. Taught to focus on their talent and deliver on performances whilst someone else takes care of the business aspect. It's a hard lesson to learn. Young and naive.
The thing is that even if these guys do get advice from say parents or relatives they probably just ignore them and spend all their money as soon as it hits their bank accounts.

[GP]

Okay, I see where the problem is.

wo-people.

Or better yet:

wo-peopleexceptmen

Certain militant feminists are using the term 'womyn' so that it doesn't contain the word 'men'

They should all be killed of course.

[HCZ]

Certain militant feminists are using the term 'womyn' so that it doesn't contain the word 'men'

They should all be killed of course.

I wish ordinary women would have the wherewithal to call this out more strongly

[Power n Glory]

The thing is that even if these guys do get advice from say parents or relatives they probably just ignore them and spend all their money as soon as it hits their bank accounts.

That's a generalisation. Besides being told to save your money, what sort of advice could your parents actually give you if you're a millionaire? Different tax bracket. Different world. It goes beyond budgeting for a mortgage or pensions.

It's the financial advisors that are being trusted to look after these guys that are fucking them over. So many cases I've heard of accountants skimming money and screwing over clients, bad investment advice and god knows what else. Just look at the situation in Spain with Messi, Sanchez and Ozil getting caught avoiding their taxes. Someone from the club would have recommended an agent and advisor to try and pull this stunt. When the shit hits the fan, it's the guy that professionally trained to know better that gets away with it.

[Cripps]

You've gotta be pretty dumb to lose all your money if you were a footballer.

Why they don't dump most of it in property and houses I don't know.

[Globalgunner]

You meet some totty at a club, marry her and she quickly pumps out two or 3 noise making picanninies.

Later when you break up. The judge says you must keep her in the lifestyle she has become used to....... What about my lifestyle? How do I keep it up on only 50% of my income?.

[Power n Glory]

You've gotta be pretty dumb to lose all your money if you were a footballer.

Why they don't dump most of it in property and houses I don't know.

So the judge can then award all your assets to your wife! ;)

[Globalgunner]

You've gotta be pretty dumb to lose all your money if you were a footballer.

Why they don't dump most of it in property and houses I don't know.

Some do. I hear Kanu owns about 20 houses in the Finsbury park area

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

So the judge can then award all your assets to your wife! ;)

:lol:

[Marc Overmars]

So the judge can then award all your assets to your wife! ;)

From reading the article, his wife was the one in control of their finances because he was too thick or neglectful to oversee them himself. She sounds like a nasty piece of work who's turned him over good and proper but I have sympathy for stupidity I'm afraid.

Like hell would I ever turn a blind eye to my financial situation and I'm sure that's the same for everyone on here.

[Cripps]

Some do. I hear Kanu owns about 20 houses in the Finsbury park area

:lol:

Nigerian email scams:bow:

[Cripps]

All I'll say is, if I had to put money on 1 ex player for this to happen, it would have been Eboue.

[HCZ]

http://i38.tinypic.com/solhr8.jpg

[HCZ]

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/eboue-the-joker_o_GIFSoup.com_.gif

[Power n Glory]

From reading the article, his wife was the one in control of their finances because he was too thick or neglectful to oversee them himself. She sounds like a nasty piece of work who's turned him over good and proper but no I have sympathy for stupidity I'm afraid.

Like hell would I ever turn a blind eye to my financial situation and I'm sure that's the same for everyone on here.

You don't have to have sympathy but it's that sort of attitude and mindset that has the law favouring the women in these cases. The attitude that you deserve to lose out if not educated.

With what looks to be on the horizon with the economy, I hope you are keeping an eye on your financial situation. It's not just the stupid footballers that put their trust in conniving cunts.

[Cripps]

Jeremy PnG :bow:

[Power n Glory]

All I'll say is, if I had to put money on 1 ex player for this to happen, it would have been Eboue.

A story broke a few years ago about Kenny Sansom living on the streets. Paul Merson was also close to going broke after a divorce too. Pundit job saved his bacon.

[HCZ]

Didn’t save his front tooth

[Penguin]

That's a generalisation. Besides being told to save your money, what sort of advice could your parents actually give you if you're a millionaire? Different tax bracket. Different world. It goes beyond budgeting for a mortgage or pensions.

It's the financial advisors that are being trusted to look after these guys that are fucking them over. So many cases I've heard of accountants skimming money and screwing over clients, bad investment advice and god knows what else. Just look at the situation in Spain with Messi, Sanchez and Ozil getting caught avoiding their taxes. Someone from the club would have recommended an agent and advisor to try and pull this stunt. When the shit hits the fan, it's the guy that professionally trained to know better that gets away with it.

Their parents could probably give the best advice they could get - don't marry a gold digger :lol:

[Power n Glory]

Their parents could probably give the best advice they could get - don't marry a gold digger :lol:

Now I ain't saying she a gold digger......:lol: Ok Kanye. I wouldn't be surprised if his parents advised against marrying someone from his home country and were pleased when he brought home the white girl. :coffee:

[Cripps]

http://s4.b3ta.com/host/creative/10643/1468506672/MayDog.jpg

[Cripps]

Premier League clubs to lose millions as first five TV rights packages are sold at a lower price than the previous deal https://t.co/yTkb0GugU9

Less money from TV makes champions league qualification more important. And if we don't have it...

[Marc Overmars]

BT. :lol:

[Özim]

BT seemed to have most of the decent matches in the previous package, in this one so far Sky have the best times and best matches in all likelyness.

[HCZ]

Good. This club’s sole motive is Greed, if it means it has to be more ambitious to attain what they want...the better for the fans

[Cripps]

Hopefully they all fall under one company in the future so that we don't have to pay multiple subscriptions. I'm worried the final 2 packages will go to other providers which will mean more forking out:doh:

[GP]

It's about time the streaming services stepped up.

Football on Netflix, please.

[Marc Overmars]

That would be great but they'd surely have to increase subscription fees by quite a bit to make it viable.

[HCZ]

I can see Amazon maybe showing interest

[Bumble]

In the football market competition doesn't help the consumer as it is just more expensive and if another company gets involved that more subscriptions having to be forked out. Surprised Apple don't get involved they have that sort of money just sitting in the bank and offer it free with any new ipad, iphone, imac etc.

[Cripps]

That's my view.

If we're gonna pay I'd rather pay one company and it be under one umbrella.

Multiple providers just means spending more.

[GP]

I will probably just continue to use illegal streams :)

[Niall_Quinn]

That would be great but they'd surely have to increase subscription fees by quite a bit to make it viable.

That's okay, they already increase them every year so they have plenty of practise. I don't see it being a problem.

[Cripps]

Went through a phase where I was streaming but it's frustrating finding good streams/them constantly buffering. Decided to bite the bullet.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I set up an Apple account in Canada and subscribe to a Canadian sports channel to get NHL hockey and programming. The added bonus (or is it) is I get more EPL than I would on Sky and BT combined - though I do have BT anyway.

On Saturdays I get at least one of the 3pm kickoffs

[Letters]

KODI :bow:


That is all.

[GP]

That's illegal

[Cripps]

I set up an Apple account in Canada and subscribe to a Canadian sports channel to get NHL hockey and programming. The added bonus (or is it) is I get more EPL than I would on Sky and BT combined - though I do have BT anyway.

On Saturdays I get at least one of the 3pm kickoffs

Explain. Do you live in Canada?

[Cripps]

KODI :bow:


That is all.

:faint:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Nope UK


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Cripps]

So how does that work? What do you mean you set up an Apple account in Canada? And what sports channel?

[HCZ]

https://mobile.twitter.com/willow1886/status/964067089840594944/photo/1

Restaurant in Östersund

[LDG]

https://mobile.twitter.com/willow1886/status/964067089840594944/photo/1

Restaurant in Östersund

I wish we had a manager called Bastard Burgers.

[Cripps]

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/josh-kroenke-arsenal-news-wenger-14305924

:popcorn:

[Mac76]

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/josh-kroenke-arsenal-news-wenger-14305924

:popcorn:

'In the end Wenger signed a new two-year deal to take him through until 2019, although there are suggestions that his position could come under review at the end of the season should Arsenal fail to qualify for the Champions League.'

So his position will be up for review then... ;)

[GP]

We have extended the Sponsorship deal with Emirates, now runs until 2024

https://www.arsenal.com/news/emirates-and-arsenal-sign-record-deal

[Cripps]

£200m over 5 seasons apparently... £40m a season doesn't seem that impressive :unsure:

[Globalgunner]

£200m over 5 seasons apparently... £40m a season doesn't seem that impressive :unsure:

Our performances on the pitch havent been that impressive either.

[Mac76]

Our performances on the pitch havent been that impressive either.

Quite - if we were challenging for the title and qualifying for the CL still, it would be higher - hopefully the Kroenkes make that connection too... :pray:

[Niall_Quinn]

£200m over 5 seasons apparently... £40m a season doesn't seem that impressive :unsure:

Surprised Emirates wants to be associated with something that crashes and burns so regularly.

[Özim]

We specialise in awful deals, every other big club gets massive deals and we end up with some average return. Obviously our lack of success plays it's part, something the hierarchy don't seem to see, personally would have looked for someone other than Emirates, they just look like the lazy, easy option as they already sponsor us.

The club seem to be harp on about long term commitment and being the longest partnership in the PL and one of the longest in the world, frankly who cares, it's all about how much money we can get rather than being partners with a sponson that doesn't pay that well for so long, there's a reason it's the longest, other clubs don't mess about and find better deals.

[Globalgunner]

Emirates also sponsor off the top of my head
us in the EPL
PSG in Ligue 1
Milan in Serie A
Madrid in La Liga
they also sponsor one of of the big 3 in the Portuguese league

Mind boggles how an airline can afford to sponsor so much.....then again they are not really a commercial airline. All of these costs must fall under advertising for them. Would be interesting however, to know where we rank amongst those 5..probably above the Portuguese and below Milan.

[Power n Glory]

We specialise in awful deals, every other big club gets massive deals and we end up with some average return. Obviously our lack of success plays it's part, something the hierarchy don't seem to see, personally would have looked for someone other than Emirates, they just look like the lazy, easy option as they already sponsor us.

The club seem to be harp on about long term commitment and being the longest partnership in the PL and one of the longest in the world, frankly who cares, it's all about how much money we can get rather than being partners with a sponson that doesn't pay that well for so long, there's a reason it's the longest, other clubs don't mess about and find better deals.

Had a quick search to see how it stacks up and it's a better deal than all of our rivals except Man Utd.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-sponsors-201718-clubs-10958347

[Globalgunner]

Had a quick search to see how it stacks up and it's a better deal than all of our rivals except Man Utd.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-sponsors-201718-clubs-10958347

ManU have a sleeve sponsorship with Tinder!!!!

Now that is what i call spectrum wide sponsorship. We should make a play for Pornhub to sponsor our shorts. Too bad Giroud has left, he would have been the perfect advert model. Now we are left with Bellerin.

[Özim]

Had a quick search to see how it stacks up and it's a better deal than all of our rivals except Man Utd.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-sponsors-201718-clubs-10958347

Chelsea's is the same but is up for renegotiation in 2020 where they will most likely eclipse ours, Man City is up in 2019, Liverpools too is up in 2019 so these we negotiated a while back and will go up significantly when they come up again, especially given the teams fortunes.

New deals usually exclipse other rivals to be honest, ours is nothing amazing given the money in football today and the fact we're the 1st to renegotiate.

Some of those clubs also have sleeve sponsors as mentioned above.

[Power n Glory]

Chelsea's is the same but is up for renegotiation in 2020 where they will most likely eclipse ours, Man City is up in 2019, Liverpools too is up in 2019 so these we negotiated a while back and will go up significantly when they come up again, especially given the teams fortunes.

New deals usually exclipse other rivals to be honest, ours is nothing amazing given the money in football today and the fact we're the 1st to renegotiate.

Some of those clubs also have sleeve sponsors as mentioned above.

Considering where we are as a club, it's not a bad deal. Could we have gotten more if we were actually playing better....I think so. But it's not a bad a deal and until we see what other clubs are offered, I can't say we've been blown out of the water. We're looking for a sleeve sponsor for next year.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Quite - if we were challenging for the title and qualifying for the CL still, it would be higher - hopefully the Kroenkes make that connection too... :pray:
It does bring into question the timing. If they were confident we would get back into the CL via the Europa perhaps they might have held off negotiating till later this season, though perhaps it simply had to be done when it was.

Emirates also sponsor off the top of my head
us in the EPL
PSG in Ligue 1
Milan in Serie A
Madrid in La Liga
they also sponsor one of of the big 3 in the Portuguese league

Mind boggles how an airline can afford to sponsor so much.....then again they are not really a commercial airline. All of these costs must fall under advertising for them. Would be interesting however, to know where we rank amongst those 5..probably above the Portuguese and below Milan.

25.8 Billion USDs in 2011-2012. I presume that has increased since...but the Emirates Group certainly aren't short of money.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Had a quick search to see how it stacks up and it's a better deal than all of our rivals except Man Utd.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-sponsors-201718-clubs-10958347

That says City, United, Spurs and Chelsea's deals are better than our old deal of 30 million a year but yes our new deal surpasses all but Man Utd's.

Though I think if any of the bigger clubs were to renegotiate, they would all get 40mill if not more.

I think the deal is probably about par with what it should be. Nothing extraordinarily good or bad all circumstances considered.

[Power n Glory]

That says City, United, Spurs and Chelsea's deals are better than our old deal of 30 million a year but yes our new deal surpasses all but Man Utd's.

Though I think if any of the bigger clubs were to renegotiate, they would all get 40mill if not more.

I think the deal is probably about par with what it should be. Nothing extraordinarily good or bad all circumstances considered.

I know. I posted it to reference what our rivals are on now compared to our new deal. It's an old article that doesn't include the new deal we just signed.

On the new deal, it's not a bad deal at all. I'm sure by the time some of our rivals are ready to sign new deals in a couple of years or so, they will get better deals but it's not as if we're getting dwarfed by the numbers.

[Power n Glory]

Chelsea's is the same but is up for renegotiation in 2020 where they will most likely eclipse ours, Man City is up in 2019, Liverpools too is up in 2019 so these we negotiated a while back and will go up significantly when they come up again, especially given the teams fortunes.

New deals usually exclipse other rivals to be honest, ours is nothing amazing given the money in football today and the fact we're the 1st to renegotiate.

Some of those clubs also have sleeve sponsors as mentioned above.

If you're arguing we're somehow always worst off than our rivals, doesn't that just play into this idea that we can't afford to spend money like some of our rivals? I don't believe that. The numbers say otherwise and if the fans keep perpetuating this idea it makes it easier for them to continue playing the poor pauper card.

[Cripps]

Agree with Zim.

I'm not overly impressed with the deal. £200m over 5 seasons isn't impressive especially when our rivals will be renegotiating deals in the next 2-3 years and overtaking us. On top of that we've managed to sign a deal where we can't have separate sponsors for our training kits, which in the grand scheme of things, is woeful.

[Globalgunner]

Agree with Zim.

I'm not overly impressed with the deal. £200m over 5 seasons isn't impressive especially when our rivals will be renegotiating deals in the next 2-3 years and overtaking us. On top of that we've managed to sign a deal where we can't have separate sponsors for our training kits, which in the grand scheme of things, is woeful.

We are in a disadvantaged position compared to the other clubs in the top 5. They are looking up while we are in a downward spiral.

Beggars cant be choosers;

Hasn't someone used that line before recently?##

[Penguin]

Agree with Zim.

I'm not overly impressed with the deal. £200m over 5 seasons isn't impressive especially when our rivals will be renegotiating deals in the next 2-3 years and overtaking us. On top of that we've managed to sign a deal where we can't have separate sponsors for our training kits, which in the grand scheme of things, is woeful.

And then in 5 years we'll renegotiate and get better deals than them :lol:

As long as we're getting around the same levels and our rivals I don't see the problem. Even if we negotiated an extra £5-10m a season it's not going to make a significant difference.

[Niall_Quinn]

We are in a disadvantaged position compared to the other clubs in the top 5. They are looking up while we are in a downward spiral.

Beggars cant be choosers;

Hasn't someone used that line before recently?##

You couldn't hit a beggar with a barnyard banjo tbf.

[Cripps]

And then in 5 years we'll renegotiate and get better deals than them :lol:

As long as we're getting around the same levels and our rivals I don't see the problem. Even if we negotiated an extra £5-10m a season it's not going to make a significant difference.

We're getting the same as our rivals having just signed a new deal.

They're negotiating new deals as we speak.

Spot the problem.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

This gives us more than Real Madrid get for the same sponsors?

Anyway, if people are concerned that our commercial activity will be dwarfed, the ticket costs will continue to be far more than any others so the costs will be recovered. :good:

[Power n Glory]

We're getting the same as our rivals having just signed a new deal.

They're negotiating new deals as we speak.

Spot the problem.

We're getting more than our rivals after signing a new deal but some of you really need to think about what you're actually saying. You're killing your own previous arguments.

[Cripps]

That's a pretty big leap.

Just because we signed a bad commercial deal doesn't mean we can't spend to keep up with rivals especially with the silly big sums from TV deals and gate income.

[Marc Overmars]

I think the original Nike and Emirates deals really left us playing catch up because we were locked in for so long when the potential for commercial revenue exploded.

Though, I don't really give a shit about our commercial deals truth be told.

[Power n Glory]

That's a pretty big leap.

Just because we signed a bad commercial deal doesn't mean we can't spend to keep up with rivals especially with the silly big sums from TV deals and gate income.

The big leap is this conclusion that it's a bad deal based off deals our rivals haven't even signed yet. Using such logic, I could argue Xhaka was a cheap purchase because we're now seeing players going for £75m - £100m two or three years later. But of course, when we signed Xhaka, £30m - £50m was considered to be the top end of transfer fees.

[Cripps]

:blink:

[Niall_Quinn]

If they are going to spend the 40 mill each year improving the team, then it's a good deal. If they are going to bank it, then it's an irrelevant deal. We have a quarter billion in cash in the bank, as opposed to on the pitch. There's the problem.

[Power n Glory]

This gives us more than Real Madrid get for the same sponsors?

Anyway, if people are concerned that our commercial activity will be dwarfed, the ticket costs will continue to be far more than any others so the costs will be recovered. :good:

No, Real Madrid have recently signed the best deal that puts them ahead of Utd's deal for something over £50m a year. But prior to that, Madrid were earning £20m a year for their kit sponsorship deal. So that even puts our first Emirates jut deal ahead of Madrid's last deal.

We finished outside of the CL and on course to finish outside of the CL again. Other clubs will use our sponsorship deal as an example to negotiate a better deal for their deal. If they can't do that, it shows we've done a good deal.

[Cripps]

Giroud on how he convinced Wenger to let him join Chelsea: "I put him under a bit of pressure, like my agent, who I spoke to several times a day. I did not want to be deprived of going to Chelsea which was the best solution for me" #Arsenal https://t.co/7dTzYagW7M

Giroud: "The coach immediately said to me: 'Don't worry, I will do my best so that you are happy'" #Arsenal https://t.co/dxGzewAKox

Wenger :lol:

What a pussy :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

I knew Wenker was doing him a favour.

[Özim]

If you're arguing we're somehow always worst off than our rivals, doesn't that just play into this idea that we can't afford to spend money like some of our rivals? I don't believe that. The numbers say otherwise and if the fans keep perpetuating this idea it makes it easier for them to continue playing the poor pauper card.

No I'm arguing we're terrible at negotiating deals, we have loads of cash, moreover we have the higest ticket prices. I agree our position isn't the best (our own short-sightedness) but we do restrict our income (as has ben mentioned we can't have a separate training kit sponsor).

[Power n Glory]

No I'm arguing we're terrible at negotiating deals, we have loads of cash, moreover we have the higest ticket prices. I agree our position isn't the best (our own short-sightedness) but we do restrict our income (as has ben mentioned we can't have a separate training kit sponsor).

How so if our last deal was better than the kit sponsorship deal was better than Real Madrid's and the new one we've just signed is better than most of our rivals?

Yes, maybe in two years time Chelsea, City etc will be able to negotiate better deals, but that's expected since they can point to our deal and say "Arsenal are getting paid x amount despite finishing below us and not being in the CL. We want more!".

We're not piss poor at everything. The fact that we were able to attract Barca's director of football and Dortmund's head scout suggests we still have some sort of draw despite Wenger dragging the football down.

Looking at the numbers, in your opinion, what would have been a good deal?

[Özim]

How so if our last deal was better than the kit sponsorship deal was better than Real Madrid's and the new one we've just signed is better than most of our rivals?

Yes, maybe in two years time Chelsea, City etc will be able to negotiate better deals, but that's expected since they can point to our deal and say "Arsenal are getting paid x amount despite finishing below us and not being in the CL. We want more!".

We're not piss poor at everything. The fact that we were able to attract Barca's director of football and Dortmund's head scout suggests we still have some sort of draw despite Wenger dragging the football down.

Looking at the numbers, in your opinion, what would have been a good deal?

Deals get bigger everytime you sign them, that's football, Man U dwarfed ours and all others when it was signed, the top clubs when they sign new deals tend to negotiate much bigger deals than already exist, all we've one is negotiate on a par or a little more than other teams who signed they're deals a number of years ago when less was generally being paid out, in reality we should have negotiated a deal which beat everyone elses existing deal by a decent margin, as other clbs tend to do.

[Power n Glory]

Deals get bigger everytime you sign them, that's football, Man U dwarfed ours and all others when it was signed, the top clubs when they sign new deals tend to negotiate much bigger deals than already exist, all we've one is negotiate on a par or a little more than other teams who signed they're deals a number of years ago when less was generally being paid out, in reality we should have negotiated a deal which beat everyone elses existing deal by a decent margin, as other clbs tend to do.

But we haven't negotiated on par with our rivals. Have you checked the numbers? We're currently getting more, despite finishing below most of them last season.

Man City's shirt sponsorship is £35m a year and that runs until 2021. Our last deal was for £30m a year. Even if going off our last sponsorship deal, City didn't dwarf our £30m deal despite winning Premier League titles!

[HCZ]

In terms of corporate sponsorship the best deals are always going to go to those clubs who enjoy the most on field success. As PNG says the deal ostensibly anyway is far from a bad one, but perhaps in the era of silly money it’s not unreasonable to postulate that a club that either has been more successful or is on a more successful trajectory than we appear to be, might have got an even better one.

[LDG]

But we haven't negotiated on par with our rivals. Have you checked the numbers? We're currently getting more, despite finishing below most of them last season.

Man City's shirt sponsorship is £35m a year and that runs until 2021. Our last deal was for £30m a year. Even if going off our last sponsorship deal, City didn't dwarf our £30m deal despite winning Premier League titles!

Stop talking sense!

We need to be OUTRAGED about everything! We're Arsenal fans FFS. Get with the programme.

[Letters]

I am outraged that LDG isn't outraged enough about this

[GP]

So AFTV have put out a fake recording pretending to be Hector Bellerin, slagging off the club.

Pretty pathetic from them.

[Power n Glory]

So AFTV have put out a fake recording pretending to be Hector Bellerin, slagging off the club.

Pretty pathetic from them.

Now I'm outraged. How dare they!

[Niall_Quinn]

AFPC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ3dwcphvyQ

Could somebody please compile a list of what fans can and can't chant? The goal is to make football a nicer place for all. Because nice places are just nice. They might have fuck all atmosphere, and opposition fans might rip the piss, but nice is the absolute priority.

So far we know it's okay to hurl abuse at Ashley Cole provided it doesn't offend the LGBTQQMSHD996TSJQSHOOOPJWQQQQQ community (which definitely isn't a completely made-up community).

Also, this lot do "socials" so don't forget to check that out.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

So AFTV have put out a fake recording pretending to be Hector Bellerin, slagging off the club.

Pretty pathetic from them.

Sauce?

[HCZ]

AFPC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ3dwcphvyQ

Could somebody please compile a list of what fans can and can't chant? The goal is to make football a nicer place for all. Because nice places are just nice. They might have fuck all atmosphere, and opposition fans might rip the piss, but nice is the absolute priority.

So far we know it's okay to hurl abuse at Ashley Cole provided it doesn't offend the LGBTQQMSHD996TSJQSHOOOPJWQQQQQ community (which definitely isn't a completely made-up community).

Also, this lot do "socials" so don't forget to check that out.

Robbie looks uncomfortable

It’s just a fact Blacks hate queers

“Does your boyfriend know you’re here?”

Jesus. A touch delicate for people that engage in sodomy

[Cripps]

Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola has confirmed that Claudio Bravo will start in goal for the Carabao Cup Final against Arsenal. https://t.co/7Uffsnvhpr

It's ours :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Robbie looks uncomfortable

It’s just a fact Blacks hate queers

“Does your boyfriend know you’re here?”

Jesus. A touch delicate for people that engage in sodomy

What about fat people? Can we chant, "You fat bastard!", or is that one off the menu too?

"Get your tits out for the lads", I think I can guess the fate of that one.

"Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!", insensitive towards people with erectile disfunction. Out I say.

"We are the Arsenal, we are the Arsenal, yes, yes, yes we are. The Arsenal is what we are! And you are welcome to be the Arsenal too. All are welcome. We are the welcoming, inclusive Arsenal, yes we are." - Works for me.

"Sit down for the Arsenal, sit down, for the Arsenal, sit down for the Arsenal..."

"We mildly dislike (but only as a bit of fun) Tott'num, and we mildly dislike (all good fun) Tott'num. We are the Tott'num, dislikers (for fun)!"

[Marc Overmars]

Gays. :lol:

Awful lifestyle choice.

[HCZ]

What about fat people? Can we chant, "You fat bastard!", or is that one off the menu too?

"Get your tits out for the lads", I think I can guess the fate of that one.

"Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough!", insensitive towards people with erectile disfunction. Out I say.

"We are the Arsenal, we are the Arsenal, yes, yes, yes we are. The Arsenal is what we are! And you are welcome to be the Arsenal too. All are welcome. We are the welcoming, inclusive Arsenal, yes we are." - Works for me.

"Sit down for the Arsenal, sit down, for the Arsenal, sit down for the Arsenal..."

"We mildly dislike (but only as a bit of fun) Tott'num, and we mildly dislike (all good fun) Tott'num. We are the Tott'num, dislikers (for fun)!"

I could understand this effeminate ginger poofs argument if gay fans were being singled out for abuse.

But it’s not, it’s banter. If the chants were “dirty fucking queers, burn in Hell” maybe then could see the objection

[Niall_Quinn]

I could understand this effeminate ginger poofs argument if gay fans were being singled out for abuse.

But it’s not, it’s banter. If the chants were “dirty fucking queers, burn in Hell” maybe then could see the objection

Oooh, that's a good one. I'm using that.

[Cripps]

Gays :lol:

[Globalgunner]

Gays :lol:

Happy People

[KSE Comedy Club]

Poofta's :lol:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Letters :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/18939/11261676/sol-im-one-of-greatest-football-minds

Mad Sol. :bow:

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Why no talk of the Bellerin leak? I for one don't think it's fake.

[LDG]

Why no talk of the Bellerin leak? I for one don't think it's fake.

Well, they said the leak ruined half of his wardrobe, but he managed to save the shoes.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why no talk of the Bellerin leak? I for one don't think it's fake.

I don't know what the Bellerin leak is. A key reason for me not talking about it, I suspect.

What is it then? Medical or political?

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Well, they said the leak ruined half of his wardrobe, but he managed to save the shoes.

:d

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkH9PTgJ_4

[Niall_Quinn]

The cunt can go. Who cares? He can't cross a ball to save his life and he's an average defender at best. Plus he's a total prick. So who cares? In his case.

The only thing here, if it's him, is the players see through the fraud we have in charge too. But that's not really surprising.

[Cripps]

I've listened to the recording and it does sound like him tbf.

[Gooner23]

The cunt can go. Who cares? He can't cross a ball to save his life and he's an average defender at best. Plus he's a total prick. So who cares? In his case.

The only thing here, if it's him, is the players see through the fraud we have in charge too. But that's not really surprising.

I'd care because he's still a very good player and under a different manager with a bit of motivation I think he'd easily find his form again.

There are some players that will never make the grade (Xhaka, Iwobi, Welbz etc), but I don't think we should underestimate the damaging effect the loony in charge is having on the rest of them.

[Goonermerree]

I can't believe Bellerin is still only 21, he seems to have been around for ever.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

It's 100% his voice, it's way too unique to be able to imitate it that well for the overwhelming majority.

I'm not going to pretend to be gobsmacked by it but I am gutted. He's basically waiting out his time and waiting for an excuse to leave.

With the right guidance he can quite probably be the best right back in the world.

[Mac76]

It's 100% his voice, it's way too unique to be able to imitate it that well for the overwhelming majority.

I'm not going to pretend to be gobsmacked by it but I am gutted. He's basically waiting out his time and waiting for an excuse to leave.

With the right guidance he can quite probably be the best right back in the world.

Quite

any player with real ambition and talent isn't going to stay - bit of an indictment of Ozil tbh...

[Niall_Quinn]

Quite

any player with real ambition and talent isn't going to stay - bit of an indictment of Ozil tbh...

Ozil maybe knows something we don't. I bloody hope so anyway.

:pray:

[Penguin]

The most interesting part of that leak is when he says: "There's no training, there's no leadership. We do the same training every day." No surprise there but it's the first time we've heard a player say it (assuming that's genuinely him).


With the right guidance he can quite probably be the best right back in the world.
I would have said the same when he first broke through but he has barely improved since then and probably even taken a step back. Not sure about best in the world but I'd agree with the right coaching he can become a great right back. He's doing the right thing for his career by getting out of here at 21.

[Niall_Quinn]

The most interesting part of that leak is when he says: "There's no training, there's no leadership. We do the same training every day." No surprise there but it's the first time we've heard a player say it (assuming that's genuinely him).


I would have said the same when he first broke through but he has barely improved since then and probably even taken a step back. Not sure about best in the world but I'd agree with the right coaching he can become a great right back. He's doing the right thing for his career by getting out of here at 21.

Not if Wenger goes first. If we get the right manager there will be huge opportunities for players that stay "loyal" (take the money) through this sorry tail end of Wenger's now discredited career.

They'll say it's a fake I suppose. Wouldn't want to be in his shoes when Wenger gets hold of him. Wenger hates his children being naughty.

[Marc Overmars]

If it was fake I would have thought he’d come out immediately and deny it, given the spotlight he currently finds himself under.

Fuck him.

[Cripps]

Who is he talking to? And who is slyly recording it?

[Power n Glory]

Ozil maybe knows something we don't. I bloody hope so anyway.

:pray:

He doesn't. He signed on for the money and extra holiday days. If he had other options on the table, he'd have gone elsewhere and not wait it out.

[Power n Glory]

If it was fake I would have thought he’d come out immediately and deny it, given the spotlight he currently finds himself under.

Fuck him.

Why? The thing regarding training is exactly what some of us have suspected for years. Wenger is the main problem. My main gripe with Bellerin is his comments about 'true fans'. Other than that, it was a solid interview. He'd be mad to stay here if he's not learning anything. He's still a kid and the elders in the team really should be stepping up. What a bunch of wimps we have in our team. I have zero respect for Kosienly at the moment.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Who is he talking to? And who is slyly recording it?

Sounds like a cabbie hit record whilst he was on the phone to somebody he obviously trusts.

As I said last summer....we directed all our efforts in slagging off Sanchez for daring to want to leave (though he did it perfectly respectfully in the public eye), when in reality half the squad wanted out. Even those who people praised last summer like Giroud have wanted out recently whilst Wenger pandered to him.

Then Elneny comes out with some everybody fighting for the logo comment. Well everybody is keeping their mouths shut and getting on with it....but make no mistake they don't all fully want to be here.

That's why I never agree with the Utopian ideal that 'if they don't want to play for the Arsenal let them leave' because in reality we would have had to replace half the squad between last summer and last month and not necessarily all at the best market values.

[Power n Glory]

Sounds like a cabbie hit record whilst he was on the phone to somebody he obviously trusts.

As I said last summer....we directed all our efforts in slagging off Sanchez for daring to want to leave (though he did it perfectly respectfully in the public eye), when in reality half the squad wanted out. Even those who people praised last summer like Giroud have wanted out recently whilst Wenger pandered to him.

Then Elneny comes out with some everybody fighting for the logo comment. Well everybody is keeping their mouths shut and getting on with it....but make no mistake they don't all fully want to be here.

That's why I never agree with the Utopian ideal that 'if they don't want to play for the Arsenal let them leave' because in reality we would have had to replace half the squad between last summer and last month and not necessarily all at the best market values.

That Tweet from Elneny about fighting for the shirt was obvious bullshit. As per usual, the players hid behind Sanchez whilst he did the heavy lifting. We have a bunch of players that can't kick a ball but are media trained and world class with the PR management.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sounds like a cabbie hit record whilst he was on the phone to somebody he obviously trusts.

As I said last summer....we directed all our efforts in slagging off Sanchez for daring to want to leave (though he did it perfectly respectfully in the public eye), when in reality half the squad wanted out. Even those who people praised last summer like Giroud have wanted out recently whilst Wenger pandered to him.

Then Elneny comes out with some everybody fighting for the logo comment. Well everybody is keeping their mouths shut and getting on with it....but make no mistake they don't all fully want to be here.

That's why I never agree with the Utopian ideal that 'if they don't want to play for the Arsenal let them leave' because in reality we would have had to replace half the squad between last summer and last month and not necessarily all at the best market values.

Good call, that's probably what happened.

These modern players are kids who have wheelbarrows of cash thrown at them and agents who whisper in their ear every 5 minutes. We have one player that genuinely seems to want to be at the place - Jack. He's the one who got the pay cut. Bif seemed to want to stay too, and he was sold as a makeweight. What's the message to the players then? Everything the club has done has reinforced their mercenary beliefs. The fuckers at this club are so incompetent across the board it's quite the miracle we are still afloat. Fleecing the fans is all they are good at. They are shit at everything else and, of course, whatever batch of players rotating through will be fully aware of that and will embrace that culture. Because it's good for them. London scene, trading off the name of a once notable club, stepping stone to somewhere else if they can stick in a few decent performances. And even if they tried, even if they were loyal to the bones, even if they gave 100% in every aspect, they still see one giant fuck-up of a dinosaur manager striding around the place with his nose stuck into everything and his bumbling, bungling hands on ever control. They'll believe as much as we do that something worthwhile can come of it. So they mark their time and arrange their shop window because what else is there to do at this place?

i don't condemn them for it, but I don't like them either. I don't like the modern player in general. Then again, I don't like football much any more.

[Power n Glory]

Reports now saying Aaron Ramsey wants the same wages we pay Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan. Around £170k a week. :lol:

Wenger is complaining saying it's a new problem we face and not ideal. :lol: Fears Ramsey will leave like Sanchez. This is what happens when you bring up worthless shits raised in a 'social wage structure'.

[Cripps]

Socialism :bow:

Corbyn :bow:

[Marc Overmars]

Wenker shouldn’t concern himself with wage and contract matters, leave that to those guys above him now.

[Goonermerree]

Ramsey £170k per week, what a joke. It would be good if he could play for a whole season for once.

[Penguin]

Ramsey should be begging for a new contract like Wilshere is. Is he really in the position to make demands? If he leaves us the only way is down. None of the teams above us would touch him with a barge pole and nobody would give him £170k a week :lol:

[GP]

Every team in the league would take Ramsey.

[Penguin]

Not for the wages he's on now, let alone £170k per week. He wouldn't get in the first team for any of the teams above us either.

If I was him I'd take whatever contract we've offered him and sign it before we change our minds.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

If he were minded to beg and he'd have signed something ages ago.

Any team in the country would have him, and I think teams like United, City and Chelsea would pay him that amount although Chelsea have suddenly and weirdly decided to be frugal.

[Globalgunner]

Ramsey should fuck off to China. His slapstick talents may be more appreciated there. About as talented as Ray Parlour without the durability. 170K. you have to be kidding?

[Niall_Quinn]

Ramsey under a decent manager MIGHT be worth the money - well worth it. As usual, nothing about this club can be judged or planned out while Wenger is here. We absolutely have to get him out and get a new guy in to look at the players and decide who stays, who goes and what extra is needed. Every day we put that off means the squad weakens and disintegrates.

But if we go down the utterly insane route and keep Wenger on for a day longer, or God forbid a season longer, then Ramsey might as well go because Wenger won't be able to get anything out of him.

[Power n Glory]

Ramsey has an atrocious injury record. I don't know if any team will want to take him but we'll soon find out.

The guy is 27 years old and hasn't nailed down the basics of playing central midfield. Whoever wants him as a coach has to have a specific role in mind for him.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ramsey has an atrocious injury record. I don't know if any team will want to take him but we'll soon find out.

The guy is 27 years old and hasn't nailed down the basics of playing central midfield. Whoever wants him as a coach has to have a specific role in mind for him.

Another thing that will most likely be transformed when Wenger fucks off - the general fitness and availability of the squad.

[Cripps]

Looks like someone on the board has briefed the press about potentially replacing Wenger and his end of season review because the journos have just tweeted the same story about managers being lined up:

https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/968252083190272000

John Cross tweeted the same too. The list includes Arteta, Henry and Brendan Rodgers :lol:

Jardim sticks out on that list. He'd be the best option.

[Marc Overmars]

Brendan Rogers Red and White army!

[Goonermerree]

We missed out on some good managers. I always thought Pep would be a good replacement at one time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Brendan Rogers Red and White army!

Equal opportunities, they have to put one spacko on the short list.

Klopp, Pep and a string of other managers sailed past while Wenger grimly hung on. Now we're talking about Brendan Rodgers? Bin dipping as usual. Might as well make it Woy.

Wouldn't that be suicidally hilarious, if we got rid of the worst manager in football only to replace him with Woy, the even worse worst manager in football?

Are they seriously saying we don't know who it's going to be and we don't have anyone lined up yet? That would be hard to believe. But, if the case, Ancelloti as caretaker while they figure it out. Or get Conte and send Wenger to the chavs.

When it finally happens, if, when he goes, I hope fans don't get all soppy about it. When remembering the titles and Invincibles, don't sugar coat this last decade. It has been football hell. A Wenger coma entirely of his own making, his ego and vanity that has dragged the club down into grey averageness.

Even now, at this late stage, he could delegate, he could get the players together and say fuck, what do any of us have to lose, let's change everything and let's go for it all guns blazing. But he won't, he'll zombie shuffle on until literally everyone in the world is fed up with him, even silent, absent leech Stan Kroenke.

If Kroenke loves him so much, maybe he'll leave with him? Too much to ask?

[Niall_Quinn]

All these reports seem unsourced and have no quotes from anyone. Quiet news day for the journos?

Even so:


Qualifying for the Champions League next season would provide Wenger with a bargaining tool in his attempts to stay. At the moment, however, he is facing the virtually impossible task of arguing that the team has improved after he was awarded a two-year extension last summer — particularly after they broke their transfer record twice in the space of seven months.

I don't think we can risk winning the Europa - even if we were capable of doing it. It's too risky, not the winning of a cup but the CL place and the money it brings. I'm pretty sure Wenger gets another year if he can say, look, as well you know, 30 million lovely quid at least - ker-ching! Stan will keep him on if Wenger can shove cash at him.

[Goonermerree]

All these reports seem unsourced and have no quotes from anyone. Quiet news day for the journos?

Even so:



I don't think we can risk winning the Europa - even if we were capable of doing it. It's too risky, not the winning of a cup but the CL place and the money it brings. I'm pretty sure Wenger gets another year if he can say, look, as well you know, 30 million lovely quid at least - ker-ching! Stan will keep him on if Wenger can shove cash at him.
No way are we going to win the EL, don't worry.

[AFC Leveller]

Its about 10 years too late but at last the tabloids have woken up and smelt the coffee. Wenger is finished, he is yesteday's man and does not bring anything to the table anymore. He has to go no matter what.

I'd love to get the Monaco manager (Jardim) but anyone of those on the list is a better candidate than Wenger. Arteta is still young but 2 years working closely with Pep will have done him great. Rodgers im not too sure, he was sacked at Liverpool in the end but that one season where he almost won the league, i thought they played the best football in the league.

[AFC Leveller]

This summer, it seems the Arsenal board may finally cut loose a club legend. They will have to because Wenger, blind to his own failings, will not walk.

'He doesn't want to leave because he can't cope with the thought of leaving,' another Arsenal source told Sportsmail.

'But what about the club? If he can't put Arsenal first then he is in danger of appearing selfish.'

Wenger fears retirement and he will manage again on leaving Arsenal. When his future was being discussed last year, he told a friend: 'Don't worry, I will be working next season, somewhere.'

[Power n Glory]

Its about 10 years too late but at last the tabloids have woken up and smelt the coffee. Wenger is finished, he is yesteday's man and does not bring anything to the table anymore. He has to go no matter what.

I'd love to get the Monaco manager (Jardim) but anyone of those on the list is a better candidate than Wenger. Arteta is still young but 2 years working closely with Pep will have done him great. Rodgers im not too sure, he was sacked at Liverpool in the end but that one season where he almost won the league, i thought they played the best football in the league.

I can't understand why people are more open to Arteta over Rogers.

Would prefer Jardim but we should try to poach Conte or go for Ancelotti.

[HCZ]

I can't understand why people are more open to Arteta over Rogers.

Would prefer Jardim but we should try to poach Conte or go for Ancelotti.

I think it’s probably because Arteta is an unknown, no one knows whether he’d be good or shit. Where as Rodgers is known to be shit.

[Cripps]

Quite an uninspiring list tbh.

Rodgers? No thanks. We'll be going from one manager that can't defend to another.

Even Jardim doesnt inspire me much. Just the best out of a bad bunch. He doesn't come across as someone with much charisma.

Arteta and Henry? Are they trying to give us a heart attack?

[HCZ]

I would take Jardim no questions

[GP]

I would like Henry to come in as assistant to whoever the next manager is.

[Marc Overmars]

I would like Henry to come in as assistant to whoever the next manager is.

I actually think it’s likely that whoever the next manager is will bring an ex player with them. Maybe even Bergkamp or Vieira as well.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Let's just appoint Henry, Vieira & Bergkamp as a management trio :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

I actually think it’s likely that whoever the next manager is will bring an ex player with them. Maybe even Bergkamp or Vieira as well.

Grimandi :bow:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Alan Smith :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Flamini and his trillions :bow:

Is he still a trillionaire, or did that not work out?

[KSE Comedy Club]

Eboue and his rucksack of worldly possessions :bow:

[KSE Comedy Club]

Flamini and his trillions :bow:

Is he still a trillionaire, or did that not work out?

It's only Billions still, he hasn't quite made the leap to Trillions yet

[Power n Glory]

I think it’s probably because Arteta is an unknown, no one knows whether he’d be good or shit. Where as Rodgers is known to be shit.

I think you’re right. I’ve heard people make the Pep and Zidane comparisons, hoping Arteta could turn out to be a similar success story but it’s misguided. Both coaches at least managed at youth level and built relationships with the young players they promoted to the seniors.

I’d be happy for him to come on board as assistant. Same goes for Henry. But I’ll take almost any of the options suggested if it meant we’re booting Wenger.

[Letters]

Let's just appoint Henry, Vieira & Bergkamp as a management trio :good:

What a stupid idea.

[HCZ]

I think you’re right. I’ve heard people make the Pep and Zidane comparisons, hoping Arteta could turn out to be a similar success story but it’s misguided. Both coaches at least managed at youth level and built relationships with the young players they promoted to the seniors.

I’d be happy for him to come on board as assistant. Same goes for Henry. But I’ll take almost any of the options suggested if it meant we’re booting Wenger.

Oh I think making Arteta head coach would be setting him up to fail

But Brendan Rodgers??? Jesus

Jardim and Low would both be on my list

[KSE Comedy Club]

What a stupid idea.

You're a stupid idea :p



I was being sarcastic, however, like most of Xhaka's shots, it has sailed completely over your head :coffee:

[Letters]

:lol: Fair enough.

I thought you were one of the "Hey, he was a brilliant player for us so would definitely be a brilliant manager for us".
Always think that's silly logic, have you seen Adams' attempts at management?!

[Power n Glory]

Oh I think making Arteta head coach would be setting him up to fail

But Brendan Rodgers??? Jesus

Jardim and Low would both be on my list

Brendan Rodgers shouldn’t be aware on our list. But if they made that appointment, at least they’re being honest about our ambitions as a club. :lol: Arteta or Henry would be a con job and we’ll all fall for it.

I was once in favour of Low but he’s been an international for far too long. It’s well over a decade.

[Goonermerree]

Brendan Rodgers shouldn’t be aware on our list. But if they made that appointment, at least they’re being honest about our ambitions as a club. :lol: Arteta or Henry would be a con job and we’ll all fall for it.

I was once in favour of Low but he’s been an international for far too long. It’s well over a decade.

Who then?

[KSE Comedy Club]

:lol: Fair enough.

I thought you were one of the "Hey, he was a brilliant player for us so would definitely be a brilliant manager for us".
Always think that's silly logic, have you seen Adams' attempts at management?!

God no :lol:

I don't mind ex players gaining some experience by working alongside a manager, etc, but just assuming they can go from 'brilliant player' to 'brilliant manager' is fucking retarded tbh.

[Marc Overmars]

I still think Simeone is the one I’d pick. I know Atleti are quite a pragmatic team but let’s not pretend as though the football we play now is in any way better. I’m sure we’d all be a little more accepting of whatever style we played as long as we were getting results and subsequently were able to defend better and also foster a winning mentality from it. Plus he’s a warrior and you can’t help but feel like that’s something our club really lacks.

He hasn’t had millions to work with and he’s used to competing against teams with twice the budget anyway, so it wouldn’t be much different here in terms of the landscape of the league. Also going back to the style of football, with the money we have and the select few quality players we do have, I don’t think we’d even need to be as pragmatic as Atleti, he could marry his defensive tactics with our wider selection of attackers to create the best of both worlds.

[HCZ]

Tim Stillman referencing Samuel Becketts Waiting for Godot in Arsenal Vision podcast

The fans, the club, the players like Vladimir and Estragon just killing time, going through the motions waiting for it to happen

It being Wenger fucking off

I love that play, it’s incredibly futile and depressing and it’s a good analogy

[Power n Glory]

Who then?

Jardim, Ancelotti, Conte, heck Luis Enrique is jobless and I don't rate him that highly. But there are plenty of options.

[Cripps]

I still think Simeone is the one I’d pick. I know Atleti are quite a pragmatic team but let’s not pretend as though the football we play now is in any way better. I’m sure we’d all be a little more accepting of whatever style we played as long as we were getting results and subsequently were able to defend better and also foster a winning mentality from it. Plus he’s a warrior and you can’t help but feel like that’s something our club really lacks.

He hasn’t had millions to work with and he’s used to competing against teams with twice the budget anyway, so it wouldn’t be much different here in terms of the landscape of the league. Also going back to the style of football, with the money we have and the select few quality players we do have, I don’t think we’d even need to be as pragmatic as Atleti, he could marry his defensive tactics with our wider selection of attackers to create the best of both worlds.

There's absolutely no chance of that.

[Cripps]

Who then?

What about Gunnersarus?

[HCZ]

What about Gunnersarus?

Possible but he’s a terrible alcoholic. Gets very Agressive

[Özim]

What should have happened when we finally got rid of Wenger is we would have brought in a top class manager perhaps with age on his side to build a team over a few years, what will probably happen is we'll get some 2nd rate yes man.

[Goonermerree]

What about Gunnersarus?
Works for me, at least he's familiar with the club and the players.

[Özim]

Interesting that Spurs open their new 800 million (double the cost of ours) stadium next season, in the time they've been building it they've been improving their team and have been trying to challenge the best team and have become one of the better teams in the division, contrast that to us whose stadium was considerably cheaper and just continuously sold our best players whilst not trying to improve as a club.

[Letters]

Works for me, at least he's familiar with the club and the players.

Think he might be a good motivator too.

[HCZ]

Interesting that Spurs open their new 800 million (double the cost of ours) stadium next season, in the time they've been building it they've been improving their team and have been trying to challenge the best team and have become one of the better teams in the division, contrast that to us whose stadium was considerably cheaper and just continuously sold our best players whilst not trying to improve as a club.

We only had to start selling our players after we moved in. Spurs are going to have their nuts in the wrench for the next few years, Kane and Pochettino will be off for sunnier climbs.

[Letters]

As bad as things are right now, over Wenger's whole tenure at the club I'd far rather have been an Arsenal fan than a Spurs one.
If they don't win a trophy this year Kane's head might well be turned.

[Özim]

We only had to start selling our players after we moved in. Spurs are going to have their nuts in the wrench for the next few years, Kane and Pochettino will be off for sunnier climbs.

Different mentality IMO, Spurs want to succeed, we didn't. Even if they do sell Kane (he seem pretty happy there at the moment), they'll get a huge amount for him so should be able to bring to quality in.

IMO what the clubs are doing is night and day, one wants to win the other just wants money.

[Bumble]

Different mentality IMO, Spurs want to succeed, we didn't. Even if they do sell Kane (he seem prety happy there at the moment), they'll get a huge amount for him so should be able to bring to quality in.

IMO what the clubs are doing is night and day, one wants to win the other just wants money.

I disagree I don't think Spurs are purely going after winning things as we have more trophies recently than they do. They try to be a well run club who do sell players and only strengthen with the odd player here or there. Levy wants to maximise revenue that is there aim too.

[HCZ]

The difference in the Spurs and Arsenal mentality is not so much in the club infrastructure it’s the attitude to winning

The reason we have performances like Sunday is because that isn’t considered unacceptable

And of course it’s not just the manager, because if the majority share holder thought it unacceptable he wouldn’t have given him a two year contract.

[Power n Glory]

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/ian-wright-arsenal-skip-training/



When delving into the toxic culture at Arsenal right now, Wright made some explosive accusations.

Arsenal are one of English football’s biggest clubs. They are renowned for ‘doing things the right way’, both on and off the field.

But according to Wright, it’s well known behind the scenes that players, including youngster, try to skip out of training. Wright confirmed:

You’re hearing young players coming into the squad, turning up late for training.

People (are) having to go to their houses to get them to come to training. You know, people not turning up to training – calling in sick.

You know, these are the things that you can see where the demise is now in.


Oh dear. Someone has to get a handle on this.

[Niall_Quinn]

Spuds are moving from second rate to top tier. They aren't there yet and may never get there but the ambition is as clear as the direction.

We went from top tier to second rate, directly because of a lack of ambition. Wenger has been at the heart of the decline. It's sneaky to bring the spuds into the argument in terms of who we'd rather have supported. because none of us would ever want to support the spuds under any circumstances based purely on the fact we're gooners. So what we'd rather have is irrelevant when compared to them. What we actually got is all that's relevant, and that's a decline, abject complacency as the club watched that decline and failed to act, and lack of ambition to such a degree it has disengaged half the fanbase to the point they don't give a fuck any more. Total, utter, failure. In football terms. And what makes it worse is how expensive that failure has been for the fans and how profitable it has been for the perpetrators. You'd almost think they have done this on purpose (hint, they have).

We can get another manager, but if the cunts running this place don't back that manager with ambition and their full support, if they expect to get another Wenger figure in who maybe has a bit of a clue yet is onboard with the whole second rate philosophy then fuck all will change. It's quite embarrassing actually. The club will need to meet the standards of the new manager rather than the other way around. Whether they can or will is the question.

That's why our next manager has to be a single minded, fully committed bastard who simply won't take no for an answer. A Maureen from his younger days. A Simeone. That's why I favour Conte if he's about to get booted from chavland. These guys would rather have a big punch up and leave of be sacked than put up with the profit first and football nowhere bullshit. Arteta coming in as assistant would be just fine, bring a bit of what he's learned from a properly managed club. Any ex-player that can form a connection with the players would work as assistant, but I can't think of anyone who could take on the main job and stick it to the penny pinchers. Ancelotti would be decent to steady things, but only as a caretaker while we find the right replacement. He's not the sort to storm upstairs and kick Ivan in the bollocks.

Brendan Rodgers - LOL. That's obviously a joke. Quite funny. The German bloke who hasn't managed in club football for as long as Wenger has been fucking-up (a very long time), too risky. The Monaco bloke, don't know much about him at all but I don't see Monaco pulling up trees. Isn't he part of the youth then cash in philosophy at that place? Quite a dangerous option when you consider how much some at our club would love a policy like that.

Get Conte I think. Give him a set of knuckledusters and send him upstairs to set the tone.

[Mac76]

none of us would ever want to support the spuds under any circumstances based purely on the fact we're gooners.

and the fact that spuds and their fans are a bunch of c***s

what does worry me though is how many kids on the Arsenal/spuds border are gonna start asking for tottensh*te shirts for christmas instead of red-and-white ones... :(

[Mac76]

What about Gunnersarus?

no experience - he's very green...

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/ian-wright-arsenal-skip-training/




Oh dear. Someone has to get a handle on this.

Dad is being soft on the kids again. Heard he's taking them to a football match on Saturday, lucky them. Except Ozil doesn't want to go so dad's letting him stay at home.

[Mac76]

I think it’s probably because Arteta is an unknown, no one knows whether he’d be good or shit. Where as Rodgers is known to be shit.

:clap:

[Marc Overmars]

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/ian-wright-arsenal-skip-training/




Oh dear. Someone has to get a handle on this.

If that’s true then we’re really in a shit state.

I suppose when you see your highest earner pulling sickies then it’s fair game. Ozil regularly has “the flu”.

[Niall_Quinn]

If that’s true then we’re really in a shit state.

I suppose when you see your highest earner pulling sickies then it’s fair game. Ozil regularly has “the flu”.

Yeah but Ozil has a note from his mum, signed "Ozil's Mum"

[Cripps]

As first reported last month, there is a growing feeling at #afc that Wenger could leave this summer. It increasingly appears as though winning the Europa League might be the only way forward for him: https://t.co/s5B1z7LjdQ

Come on Milan.

[Mac76]

Every team in the league would take Ramsey.

and be equally disappointed with him

it makes me laugh people are buying our players thinking they're better than they are

i watched Moan U v Chelski at the weekend

yes Sanchez created one of the goals and i think we're missing that but we're not missing him trying to take on three defenders and giving the ball away, or going missing for long periods, which he also did in spades....

and when Giraffe came on for Chelski he was typically useless - i still can't belive they bought him :rolleyes:

[Niall_Quinn]

As first reported last month, there is a growing feeling at #afc that Wenger could leave this summer. It increasingly appears as though winning the Europa League might be the only way forward for him: https://t.co/s5B1z7LjdQ

Come on Milan.

Joking aside, how close are we to the point that half the fanbase would actually want to lose just in case a win would really represent a way out for Wenger?

Image, last minute of the Europa Cup final, we're winning 1-0, the opposition have a penalty, their main man steps up to take it.

Imagine you know for a fact Wenger will stay if we win and you know for a fact he's gone if we lose.

As that player runs up to the ball, last kick of the match, are you praying he scores or misses?

Wenger goes if he scores, Wenger stays if he misses.

What do you want to happen?

[Mac76]

Joking aside, how close are we to the point that half the fanbase would actually want to lose just in case a win would really represent a way out for Wenger?

Image, last minute of the Europa Cup final, we're winning 1-0, the opposition have a penalty, their main man steps up to take it.

Imagine you know for a fact Wenger will stay if we win and you know for a fact he's gone if we lose.

As that player runs up to the ball, last kick of the match, are you praying he scores or misses?

Wenger goes if he scores, Wenger stays if he misses.

What do you want to happen?


reluctant answer is i hope he scores but i'm not bothered about winning the EL anyway - the CL would be a different matter but of course that's pure fantasy...

[HCZ]

Joking aside, how close are we to the point that half the fanbase would actually want to lose just in case a win would really represent a way out for Wenger?

Image, last minute of the Europa Cup final, we're winning 1-0, the opposition have a penalty, their main man steps up to take it.

Imagine you know for a fact Wenger will stay if we win and you know for a fact he's gone if we lose.

As that player runs up to the ball, last kick of the match, are you praying he scores or misses?

Wenger goes if he scores, Wenger stays if he misses.

What do you want to happen?

Fortunately it’s not a scenario we have to concern ourselves with

[Niall_Quinn]

reluctant answer is i hope he scores but i'm not bothered about winning the EL anyway - the CL would be a different matter but of course that's pure fantasy...

On the night I think I'd have to hope he missed and we won it. But then I'd kick myself in my own arse the next day and for every day of Wenger's torturous reign thereafter.

Do you think Brendan Rodgers was mentioned as a psychological ploy? Like, "Brendan Rodgers? Fuck! I'd rather keep Wenger!" Could that be what they are trying to achieve?

Brendan Rodgers though. That's bizarre.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fortunately it’s not a scenario we have to concern ourselves with

True. No way would we keep a clean sheet until the 90th minute.

[Letters]

no experience - he's very green...

:rimshot:

[Letters]

reluctant answer is i hope he scores but i'm not bothered about winning the EL anyway
Bull.
Shit

[Power n Glory]

If that’s true then we’re really in a shit state.

I suppose when you see your highest earner pulling sickies then it’s fair game. Ozil regularly has “the flu”.

It’s piss poor management and leadership but I also have to question the professional pride. If they’ve grown tired of Wenger, why not leave? It’s not hard to move to another team in football these days. We don’t want everyone to up and leave but I can’t respect players that put in such shit performances week in week out and just carry on that way.

Ozil is the worst. He signed on for a new contract so he hasn’t grown weary of the situation. The fucker is milking it. I really despise this team.

[Mac76]

Bull.
Shit

meaning... you don't agree or you don't believe me?

[Cripps]

Ozil's a weird one. Looked like he was all set to leave then signed a new deal :blink:

Maybe he was told that changes would be made...

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil's a weird one. Looked like he was all set to leave then signed a new deal :blink:

Maybe he was told that changes would be made...

That's what I think. But he should still be turning up for the fans. Of course we have a manager that tolerates him not turning up. Broken at every level.

[Letters]

meaning... you don't agree or you don't believe me?

I don't believe you. I genuinely don't care we lost on Sunday - I care about the ease with which City swatted us aside, there was a slight pang of irritation.
But basically, I don't really care. It's not a competition I really give a monkeys about.
And to an extent the Europa League is the Caribo Cup of Europe. But it's still a European competition, if we get anywhere near the final of course I'm going to want us to win it.
Are we really "too good" for this competition now?

[Özim]

and be equally disappointed with him

it makes me laugh people are buying our players thinking they're better than they are

i watched Moan U v Chelski at the weekend

yes Sanchez created one of the goals and i think we're missing that but we're not missing him trying to take on three defenders and giving the ball away, or going missing for long periods, which he also did in spades....

and when Giraffe came on for Chelski he was typically useless - i still can't belive they bought him :rolleyes:

Not convinced every team in the league would take Ramsey, what has he actually done since he's been with us other than 16 goals in one season (an anomaly by all intents and purposes). It's delusional Arsenal fan syndrome to think the all the top clubs would want him, yes sure some of the lesser clubs might, but the big clubs not convinced.

[HCZ]

Ozil's a weird one. Looked like he was all set to leave then signed a new deal :blink:

Maybe he was told that changes would be made...

Changes were made

His salary was doubled

[HCZ]

Not convinced every team in the league would take Ramsey, what has he actually done since he's been with us other than 16 goals in one season (an anomaly by all intents and purposes). It's delusional Arsenal fan syndrome to think the all the top clubs would want him, yes sure some of the lesser clubs might, but the big clubs not convinced.

Some people are stupid, yet it appears we are even more stupid

When Barca and City declared interest in him we should have laughed ourselves stupid all the way to the bank

[Özim]

Some people are stupid, yet it appears we are even more stupid

When Barca and City declared interest in him we should have laughed ourselves stupid all the way to the bank

Got to agree, I don't think he's much of an asset, yes he will get the odd goal but realistically what does he bring to the team, you want someone who produces performances regularly not someone that turns up occasionally.

If his reported salary demands are correct we should sell him in the summer, he's not our worst performer by any stretch of the imagination, but he's nothing special and isn't a player who will fight for every ball either

[Goonermerree]

Ozil's a weird one. Looked like he was all set to leave then signed a new deal :blink:

Maybe he was told that changes would be made...

I personally don't think we should have paid him that amount of money. He is a good player, but he goes missing too often for my liking. I forgot he was playing on Sunday and genuinely wondered if he had been subbed. Wenger us getting erratic with his wages. pays a bit for Miki's wages, then complains when Ramsey for wanting the same.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some people are stupid, yet it appears we are even more stupid

When Barca and City declared interest in him we should have laughed ourselves stupid all the way to the bank

They do that all the time anyway.

[HCZ]

Got to agree, I don't think he's much of an asset, yes he will get the odd goal but realistically what does he bring to the team, you want someone who produces performances regularly not someone that turns up occasionally.

If his reported salary demands are correct we should sell him in the summer, he's not our worst performer by any stretch of the imagination, but he's nothing special and isn't a player who will fight for every ball either

He isn’t that far from being our worst performer.

Xhaka, Iwobi, Welbeck probably all worse but that aside

[Goonermerree]

I don't believe you. I genuinely don't care we lost on Sunday - I care about the ease with which City swatted us aside, there was a slight pang of irritation.
But basically, I don't really care. It's not a competition I really give a monkeys about.
And to an extent the Europa League is the Caribo Cup of Europe. But it's still a European competition, if we get anywhere near the final of course I'm going to want us to win it.
Are we really "too good" for this competition now?

Come on, you're in a final you've got to want to win it.

[Özim]

Ozil in the right team with enough hard working players would be a real asset, problem is we've got too many fairweather players and a calamitous defence. We need some high energy players, who'll chase down the opposition and will put a tackle in, looking at the team it's really weak, we have creative players but they're not the type that are going to be working their socks off, likewsie the others around them, the amount of ball watching that goes on.

In my eyes we've got Ozil, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Mkhitaryan and maybe Wilshere (but only if he accepts his pay per play contract and if he performs for the rest of the season, though I still think he's overrated personally).

I'd happily get rid of the rest to be honest (other than maybe Maitland Niles and maybe give Kolasinac one more season to prove himself), Monreal is good but is getting on now otherwise I would have kept him, there's very little quality in the rest of the bunch so I think we need to start again (it's a big job admitedly).

[Özim]

He isn’t that far from being our worst performer.

Xhaka, Iwobi, Welbeck probably all worse but that aside

Throw in Mustafi, Bellerin, Cech, Koscielny, Chambers as well, they've all been awful. We've got a lot of poor performers.

[Letters]

Come on, you're in a final you've got to want to win it.

Of course. I did want us to win it.
I just didn't care enough that it really affected my mood when we didn't.
Would love a decent run in the Europa league, it's the only thing which can partially save our season now.

[HCZ]

Throw in Mustafi, Bellerin, Cech, Koscielny, Chambers as well, they've all been awful. We've got a lot of poor performers.

Ok sorry I should be more specific

I meant to say shit players

Bellerin is not shit his confidence is gone and looks like no one has tried to encourage him to up his game

Mustafi has to have a decent defender playing with him but he’s better than the ridiculous nonsense he called a performance on Sunday

Koscielny and Cech have probably just given up

Chambers I feel sorry for him as a young defender with a little potential you don’t want to be learning your trade under Wenger

Ramsey I think is performing at the level of player he is. You can’t blame poor coaching for a terrible first touch, no reading of the game, an inability to make anything more than the simplest pass. He’s a good off the ball player only in the sense that he runs around a lot. Which I guess is impressive if you can’t run properly, not very laudable though

[HCZ]

Of course. I did want us to win it.
I just didn't care enough that it really affected my mood when we didn't.
Would love a decent run in the Europa league, it's the only thing which can partially save our season now.

I think that’s as much about Apathy

I was inconsolable after the league cup defeat to Birmingham city. That really hurt but there’s just no defeat anymore that means anything.

[Letters]

I think that’s as much about Apathy

I was inconsolable after the league cup defeat to Birmingham city. That really hurt but there’s just no defeat anymore that means anything.

I was fuming after that one. It was a bit different as I cared more then, dad and me were still going to games so I was there and we were favourites, and it had been a long time since a trophy.

[HCZ]

Football in general makes me apathetic

But it’s still 60% Wenger 40% state of the game

Even two-three years ago I enjoyed going to games. One of the last games I went to watch was the last time we beat Liverpool when Bellerin, Ozil and Sanchez scored in about 5-10 minute period.

Games of that entertainment calibre are so few and far between that’s the main reason I want Wenger to fuck off.

Though not too keen on Ancelotti, whilst I still think he’d be an improvement on what we have he’s a manager who takes something that’s already 95% there and cashes in with it trophy wise. Don’t see him as the guy who can or will want to build a new team in his image.

[Cripps]

UEFA confirm Premier League top four WILL qualify directly into Champions League group stages with new format to be implemented for 2018-19 season https://t.co/9bPrMueagQ

Awful news.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't believe you. I genuinely don't care we lost on Sunday - I care about the ease with which City swatted us aside, there was a slight pang of irritation.
But basically, I don't really care. It's not a competition I really give a monkeys about.
And to an extent the Europa League is the Caribo Cup of Europe. But it's still a European competition, if we get anywhere near the final of course I'm going to want us to win it.
Are we really "too good" for this competition now?

I would love to win the EL. Our European honours list is pitiful, even Spurs have won more than us.

It might be the 2nd European competition but it still carries kudos. Plus winning it gives us a chance to win the Super Cup too.

I would respect Wenger if we went and won it because with the teams still involved it’s not an easy task. You can’t fluke your way through 2 legged ties and it's been good enough for Chelsea and United in recent years so it's most certainly good enough for us.

[Goonermerree]

Of course. I did want us to win it.
I just didn't care enough that it really affected my mood when we didn't.
Would love a decent run in the Europa league, it's the only thing which can partially save our season now.

Fair enough, and as you say, the manner in which we played in lost is more depressing. At least go down fighting.

[Goonermerree]

UEFA confirm Premier League top four WILL qualify directly into Champions League group stages with new format to be implemented for 2018-19 season https://t.co/9bPrMueagQ

Awful news.

They wanted a European super league, they didn't get it, so they're doing it through the back door. Getting top 4 is now more important financially than winning either domestic cups. I think it should go back to league winners only or at least top 2. Won't happen though, they get lots of pennies for TV coverage.

[Goonermerree]

I was fuming after that one. It was a bit different as I cared more then, dad and me were still going to games so I was there and we were favourites, and it had been a long time since a trophy.

Kos :doh:

[GP]

I was fuming after that one. It was a bit different as I cared more then, dad and me were still going to games so I was there and we were favourites, and it had been a long time since a trophy.

Sczczcny :doh:

[AFC Leveller]

Ivan Gazidis spoke to Arsene Wenger about becoming the club's director of football last season.

Wenger was strongly against the idea and rejected it, however. [Mail]

Iv said it before that Wenger is so arrogant, powerful at the club and difficult to shift that even his own boss won’t be able to get rid of him. Wenger will either be hounded out or die at the club, no way will he walk away from a dream job like this.

[Goonermerree]

Sczczcny :doh:

Yep, him too!

[Power n Glory]

Ozil's a weird one. Looked like he was all set to leave then signed a new deal :blink:

Maybe he was told that changes would be made...

Nah. No other club was willing to offer him the sort of money we were offering along with the sick pay and holiday pay. He's comfortable here.

Even if the midfield is shit, I can't see why he's unable to drop deep, look up and spot the run from Lacazette or Aubameyang and put them through on goal. It's basic route one stuff but he has it in his locker to play that sort of pass and we have the pace up front.

[Power n Glory]

If Brendan Rodgers had this current Arsenal squad, do you think he'd do better or worse than Wenger?

[Cripps]

Rodgers is shite at defending. That Liverpool team matched our defending during the banter years and that's saying something.

He also wasted £200m.

No thanks.

[Marc Overmars]

Probably better but by how much I’m not sure. One thing I’m sure of though is that we’re not going to get any worse under another manger, we have the money to keep us above the rest no matter what happens. We’ve been shite all season barely managing to win back to back games, yet we sit comfortably in 6th away from the dregs of the league.

[HCZ]

If Brendan Rodgers had this current Arsenal squad, do you think he'd do better or worse than Wenger?

I don’t think there would be a great deal of difference

I think one of the main benefits of a new manager is predicated on them realising the absolute futility in persisting with this midfield

[HCZ]

I think time has allowed us to forget what a truly awful manager Brendan Rodgers is

Had one run at the title and managed to fluff it in a way Wenger would be proud of

Never came near the top four or challenging for any silverware despite that.

The improvement we’d see if getting rid of Wenger for him would be negligible

[Cripps]

I think time has allowed us to forget what a truly awful manager Brendan Rodgers is

Had one run at the title and managed to fluff it in a way Wenger would be proud of

Never came near the top four or challenging for any silverware despite that.

The improvement we’d see if getting rid of Wenger for him would be negligible

:gp:

[Letters]

Be careful what you wish for... :sulk:



:run:

[Mac76]

I don't believe you. I genuinely don't care we lost on Sunday - I care about the ease with which City swatted us aside, there was a slight pang of irritation.
But basically, I don't really care. It's not a competition I really give a monkeys about.
And to an extent the Europa League is the Caribo Cup of Europe. But it's still a European competition, if we get anywhere near the final of course I'm going to want us to win it.
Are we really "too good" for this competition now?

well i said reluctantly but you're right if we're in the final, on the day i'll want us to win

at least we will once again have won a trophy and spuds will have nothing again

[Power n Glory]

I think time has allowed us to forget what a truly awful manager Brendan Rodgers is

Had one run at the title and managed to fluff it in a way Wenger would be proud of

Never came near the top four or challenging for any silverware despite that.

The improvement we’d see if getting rid of Wenger for him would be negligible

Jog my memory. What players did he purchase and how did it all for apart? I remember Liverpool were really good on attack and then it all falling to shit. But how?

They had Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling, a very old Gerrard.. who else did they have? With the team we have now, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Wilshere, Ramsey... or had with Sanchez... You think he'd be worse?

Not sure about him coming in and turning things around for us at this stage though. We'll need someone that can boost morale. But Wenger is doing a really shit job with the players he currently has and hasn't even come close to challenging for the league.

[Letters]

well i said reluctantly but you're right if we're in the final, on the day i'll want us to win

at least we will once again have won a trophy and spuds will have nothing again

It's the only thing which can salvage anything from this season.
Although I have zero confidence we're going to get anywhere near the final.

[Globalgunner]

It's the only thing which can salvage anything from this season.
Although I have zero confidence we're going to get anywhere near the final.

We have 2 more games in Europe this season.
Thats all folks. 2 games

[Cripps]

http://liverpoolfc.wikia.com/wiki/Brendan_Rodgers/Transfers

Some of the utter dross he signed.

33 players

£300m

No thanks.

[HCZ]

Jog my memory. What players did he purchase and how did it all for apart? I remember Liverpool were really good on attack and then it all falling to shit. But how?

They had Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling, a very old Gerrard.. who else did they have? With the team we have now, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang, Lacazette, Wilshere, Ramsey... or had with Sanchez... You think he'd be worse?

Not sure about him coming in and turning things around for us at this stage though. We'll need someone that can boost morale. But Wenger is doing a really shit job with the players he currently has and hasn't even come close to challenging for the league.

I didn’t say he’d be worse, I said I don’t think there would be a great deal of difference

A side that was more than able to humiliate itself, like the 6-0 defeat at Stoke

Our problem is we have a midfield that cannot dribble on the ball, the joke is the only player that can do that even slightly is Iwobi.

And for players that already can’t defend as a unit, don’t have the ability to play together. With Rodgers as manager we are going to look very much like the Liverpool team of three years ago.

[Cripps]

Crystanbul :haha:

[Cripps]

Leonardo Jardim was ready to replace Arsene Wenger last summer and he is ready again now. Story: https://t.co/scMxSA5JKW

[Cripps]

Looked more into Jardim.

Chopped and changed clubs quite a lot hasn't he... Braga for a year, then Olympiakos for a year, then Sporting for a year before moving to Monaco.

Won a league title in Greece with Olympiakos and French league with Monaco, has a 56% win ratio with Monaco in a crappy French league :unsure: Dunno just doesn't seem that impressive :unsure:

[Marc Overmars]

Conte is the man if we want to look closer to home.

[Cripps]

@goonerTR: Jardim my ultimate choice. Bloke had the best defensive team in Europe 14/15 then was criticised. Changed to the highest scoring team in 16/17. Can do it all.

Jardim :bow:

[Cripps]

An interesting article on Jardim:

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/09/19/tactical-philosophy-leonardo-jardim/

The more I read about him the more I like. Imagine him replicating Monaco with Aubameyang, Mkhitarayn, Lacazette and Ozil :bow:

[HCZ]

Only possible downside is that he doesn’t appear to speak English

However I’m sure he can learn

[Marc Overmars]

Monaco were ridiculous last season. Anyone who knows how to get a team to attack from all angles sounds good to me.

[Cripps]

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[Niall_Quinn]

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Cruel and unusual punishment for the fans, for trying to drive Wenger out?