Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[dostoy]

When Pep leaves and IF City want him, will Arteta leave ?

That is the question.

The season is a marathon and its only just started.

What is all this crazy talk of definitely not going to win the league ?

Nobody knows anything at this stage of the season.

[Mac76]

When Pep leaves and IF City want him, will Arteta leave ?

That is the question.


I think he would, yes



The season is a marathon and its only just started.

What is all this crazy talk of definitely not going to win the league ?

Nobody knows anything at this stage of the season.

well we know Haaland and Citeh are looking very strong and that we haven't really done anything to increase our goal tally or change things up - that said as Letters said earlier winnig at Villa was an improverment but then we have the Brighton game where, unlike Pep who would still have gone for the win, Artetas played for the draw after Rice got sent off - if that's the mentaility we're winning nothing

Oh and our midfield is f**ked without Merino and Odegaard (and Rice for the NLD)

[Letters]

It is too early to be that definitive about anything, but it's already quite hard to look past City. They know they have some real competition in us and they don't look like they're in the mood to give us any chance to get ahead of them. I guess the game at The Ethiad will tell us something. Lose that one and, as ridiculous as this sounds so early, even I who am famed for not overreacting to things would be throwing in the towel. Which is what is so shit about the modern game. It shouldn't be this predictable.

[WMUG]

It'll all be different when they're playing Charnock Richard in the extra preliminary round of the FA Vase ##

[Chippy]

Looks like the fixture list is once again favouring City. We play away on Thursday night at Atalanta and Schitty are at home tomorrow night. Wtf!

Will Arteta use fringe players v Atalanta?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Looks like the fixture list is once again favouring City. We play away on Thursday night at Atalanta and Schitty are at home tomorrow night. Wtf!

Will Arteta use fringe players v Atalanta?

You’ve just realised this?

[Chippy]

You’ve just realised this?

Yes, I am a bit slow tbh :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

When Pep leaves and IF City want him, will Arteta leave ?

That is the question.

The season is a marathon and its only just started.

What is all this crazy talk of definitely not going to win the league ?

Nobody knows anything at this stage of the season.

It's a good question. Answer is probably yes, if the gypos can keep getting away with their "fair" play blatant cheating and don't get relegated. Also think Arteta would go. He's not Adams or Wilshere.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjd5l8ll7zko

Chris Kavanagh proving what we already knew, that he’s weak

I had no choice

Well I’m sure you did feel that way when you had Brighton players screaming at you for a second yellow to cover up for the fact that Veltman had lunged in on Rice, but again if you weren’t so spineless you’d realise that you did very much have a choice. The same way you made the choice not to book Joao Pedro and not to send off Joel Veltman.

Referees that succumb too easily to pressure have no business in the top flight, cheating scum like Veltman and Welbeck have no business in the sport.

[Letters]

"I was just following orders"

That defence worked well for the Nazi's #godwinslaw

There seems to be an obsession with consistency - partly from the fans who demand it. But
a) We don't get that anyway and
b) I'd rather see common sense than "consistency".

Sending a player off should be a last resort. It changes the game. It should be used sparingly.

[HCZ_Reborn]

There’s actually a film coming out about the Nuremberg Trial and about how the army psychologists did regular checks on the defendants to assess their suitability to stand trial. Now Rudolf Hess who flew over to Britain in 1941 and was kept as a prisoner of war until moved back to Germany for the trial, actually feigned amnesia….claimed that he didn’t even remember his wife when she came to visit him (although quickly and conveniently regained his memory)

But what came out was that there was something ingrained in Germans culturally to be obedient and not question authority or orders. But it was more than that, it wasn't that obedience overrode the ethical considerations…the ethical considerations just weren’t there. Rudolf Hoess who was the commandant of Auschwitz, wasn’t a defendant at Nuremberg but he was brought in as a character witness, and under cross examination was completely matter of fact about what he did.
Not in a ranting scene chewing act of villainy, but just very coldly stated the methodical process of exterminating Jews in the most efficient way.


There were those at the trial who tried to deny the extent of their own involvement (like Goering) and some who were still so supportive of Nazi ideology that they proudly boasted about what they did. But there were some like Hoess, who actually couldn’t conceive of having done anything wrong (well that was until just before his execution where he readopted his Catholic faith, and renounced Nazism)

[Letters]

But what came out was that there was something ingrained in Germans culturally to be obedient and not question authority or orders.
Wait...so you're saying I'm German? :unsure:
(One for NQ, there).


While we are here, I don't really see the value in wheeling in these people in their late 90s and prosecuting them 80 years after the fact. Wasn't the recent one some typist or something?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Wait...so you're saying I'm German? :unsure:
(One for NQ, there).


While we are here, I don't really see the value in wheeling in these people in their late 90s and prosecuting them 80 years after the fact. Wasn't the recent one some typist or something?

Unless you’re talking about someone like John Demenjuk (there was a documentary on him on Netflix) I tend to agree. In fact the allies could have put far more Nazis on trial than they did post Second World War, it’s a case of where do you draw the line if Germany is ever going to be able to recover (thus a recognition in part that the war reparations after ww1 did in some way lead to Hitler coming to power).

But if you were a guard at Maunthausen, you probably did some shit you weren’t proud of (or at least shouldn’t be) but you wouldn’t have been there by choice and the fact is you’re going to die soon anyway. The question has to be asked….whats the point.

Even today Sometimes compromises are made and people get away with terrible things, to prevent chaos and potential civil war. A lot of corrupt African dictators are given an off ramp to allow them to retire in exile rather than cause a bloodbath in the street between loyalist and rebel soldiers

[Mac76]

And this has what to do with Arsenal exactly... :shrug:

[HCZ_Reborn]

And this has what to do with Arsenal exactly... :shrug:

Your GW pedant of the year certificate is in the post

[dazthegooner]

Go Smudger https://dailycannon.com/2024/09/alan-smith-harry-kane/

[Mac76]

Go Smudger https://dailycannon.com/2024/09/alan-smith-harry-kane/

Brilliant :)

K***'s lived off dodgy pels and tap-ins his whole career

[Letters]

And this has what to do with Arsenal exactly... :shrug:

Like PL refs, I admit I'm not always that consistent.
When it comes to when I split threads...I dunno, this one is so rambling anyway that it doesn't seem to matter that much if it gets a bit off topic here and there.
I split out your and HCZ's bickering in the prediction thread because it actually made it hard to find the predictions amid all that.
In brief: Meh.

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE6e0TbLJb0

:bow:

Thems were the days!

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE6e0TbLJb0

:bow:

Thems were the days!


We had quite a superior head to head record against them over those seven seasons 6 wins, 5 draws, 3 defeats

With the exception of a couple of games like when we had Eeyore Stepanovs in defence and lost 6-1 at their place, and we beat them 3-0 at Highbury (I think Ljungberg got his first Arsenal goal in that game) a lot of the games were quite close

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE6e0TbLJb0

:bow:

Thems were the days!

I doubt I'll ever enjoy the game more than I did those days....the highs and the lows those games brought me was just crazy :bow:

[Mac76]

I doubt I'll ever enjoy the game more than I did those days....the highs and the lows those games brought me was just crazy :bow:

tbh i was more angry than anything - it wasn't an equal fight, we always got penalised more than Man 'no pels awarded against them at Old Shiteford' Ure and it was the days when they always got as much ET as they needed to get a winner, Ferguson bullied and cheated his way to at least half those titles , it's why i have no respect for him or Man U - Keane should have been in prison for some of his tackles, not collecting medals

[Letters]

I doubt I'll ever enjoy the game more than I did those days....the highs and the lows those games brought me was just crazy :bow:

Same.
I was younger, didn't have my own family so this was quite a big thing in my life - and when you're younger you feel things more deeply anyway.
It was a brilliant rivalry - Spurs were always worth a chuckle but they were more of an annoyance than a serious rival, the Utd games were always the ones I looked for first.

EDIT: And it was before the billionaires came in and started buying up trophies left, right and centre.

[HCZ_Reborn]

My favourite Arsenal season was the 01/02 season (as opposed to the unbeaten season)

I think as good as the unbeaten season was, there was by about March an inevitability about us winning the title, and I think going out of the fa cup and champions league in the space of three days in the unbeaten season was a bit of a bummer.

I was 18 for the 01/02 season….and it felt like a rollercoaster at times from losing 4-2 at home to Charlton and 3-1 at home to Newcastle, to going to Anfield and winning for the first time in almost a decade (playing most of the game with ten men) just before Christmas.

We were pretty rubbish in the champions league but even with that, there was the 3-1 win over Juventus and the 4-1 win over Leverkusen.

Nail biting games like beating Liverpool in the fa cup after being reduced to nine men, beating Chelsea in the final with two of the best goals I’ve seen us score.

Then you have the Pirès lob at Villa Park (without doubt the most nonchalant goal ever scored), the Bergkamp lob against Leverkusen and the Bergkamp spin and shot goal against Newcastle

The Henry double against United and the look of anguish on Barthez’s face as he gifted both of them to him.


All topped off with an otherwise forgettable game at Old Trafford, where there was a certain inevitability (we scored in every league game that season) that we’d find the net and all it took was one mistake from Silvestre and a marauding Ljungberg


“Pushed out by Barthez….Wiltord!!”


I got pissed that night and no mistake

[Letters]

Yeah.

I think up to a point The Invincibles achievement is over-rated. There are such fine lines in football, early in that season it was "The Battle of Old Trafford", 6 inches lower and that penalty goes in and while we might still have finished champions we wouldn't still be talking about that achievement.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah.

I think up to a point The Invincibles achievement is over-rated. There are such fine lines in football, early in that season it was "The Battle of Old Trafford", 6 inches lower and that penalty goes in and while we might still have finished champions we wouldn't still be talking about that achievement.

My favourite game in that season was in a competition where we certainly weren’t invincible and that was the 5-1 game against Inter.

A fairly even first half, re-established the lead early second half ….cagey game for next forty minutes…Henry does Zanetti and scores on the break and then a free for all.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Actually went to a couple of away league games that season, I was up in the stands at Ewood Park, behind the goal where Henry nicked the ball off Brad Friedel, rounded him and slotted home. Referee too stupid to realise that it was a perfectly legitimate goal as Friedel had released the ball and Henry had intercepted micro seconds after it had left his boot. I wonder what VAR would have done, probably would have disallowed the goal and sent Henry off for dangerous play :lol:

[Letters]

I remember that. Perfectly legitimate goal.
Without wishing to go all "NQ", we have a lot of talent in our current squad but IMO no-one anywhere near the level of Bergkamp or Henry.
The stuff they used to do... :wacko:

[Mac76]

Not that I was there to see it but the 1934-35 season deserves a mention, we won the First Division while Spuds were relegated after finishing bottom :haha:

[HCZ_Reborn]

As I stated to NQ, it’s not a fair comparison because those footballers were extraordinary even by the standards of the time in which they were playing, not just compared to now. I’m not even sure City have players on that level, De Bruyne at his peak potentially up there but other than that.

Our team is more like the late 80s/early 90s under GG, some very good players but no one player really stood out…it was more a collective effort. 1988/1989 a bit like the last couple of seasons sure we had Alan Smith, but we were more likely to get goals from all over the pitch - Merson, Rocastle, Thomas etc.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Not that I was there to see it but the 1934-35 season deserves a mention, we won the First Division while Spuds were relegated after finishing bottom :haha:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/88/52/49/8852491c6a1bcc6776ad6fd91188b1b1.jpg

You sure you weren’t there?

[Letters]

As I stated to NQ, it’s not a fair comparison because those footballers were extraordinary even by the standards of the time in which they were playing, not just compared to now.
Sure.

And I'm definitely not saying football was better back then. I mean, I think in some ways it was - it was more of a sport, less of a business. But in terms of the quality, there were a lot of cloggers back then. But to witness that era with I'd argue two of the GOATs playing in the same team, that's one to bore the kids and grandkids about.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sure.

And I'm definitely not saying football was better back then. I mean, I think in some ways it was - it was more of a sport, less of a business. But in terms of the quality, there were a lot of cloggers back then. But to witness that era with I'd argue two of the GOATs playing in the same team, that's one to bore the kids and grandkids about.

Oh for sure, I just do think there’s always an element of crying for the moon

Both in football and let’s be fair, in every other aspect of life

[Mac76]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/88/52/49/8852491c6a1bcc6776ad6fd91188b1b1.jpg

You sure you weren’t there?

Ha I'm not that old...

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ha I'm not that old...

The depressing thing is that I’m almost certainly older now, than that chap was when that picture was taken