Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[dostoy]

When Pep leaves and IF City want him, will Arteta leave ?

That is the question.

The season is a marathon and its only just started.

What is all this crazy talk of definitely not going to win the league ?

Nobody knows anything at this stage of the season.

[Mac76]

When Pep leaves and IF City want him, will Arteta leave ?

That is the question.


I think he would, yes



The season is a marathon and its only just started.

What is all this crazy talk of definitely not going to win the league ?

Nobody knows anything at this stage of the season.

well we know Haaland and Citeh are looking very strong and that we haven't really done anything to increase our goal tally or change things up - that said as Letters said earlier winnig at Villa was an improverment but then we have the Brighton game where, unlike Pep who would still have gone for the win, Artetas played for the draw after Rice got sent off - if that's the mentaility we're winning nothing

Oh and our midfield is f**ked without Merino and Odegaard (and Rice for the NLD)

[Letters]

It is too early to be that definitive about anything, but it's already quite hard to look past City. They know they have some real competition in us and they don't look like they're in the mood to give us any chance to get ahead of them. I guess the game at The Ethiad will tell us something. Lose that one and, as ridiculous as this sounds so early, even I who am famed for not overreacting to things would be throwing in the towel. Which is what is so shit about the modern game. It shouldn't be this predictable.

[WMUG]

It'll all be different when they're playing Charnock Richard in the extra preliminary round of the FA Vase ##

[Chippy]

Looks like the fixture list is once again favouring City. We play away on Thursday night at Atalanta and Schitty are at home tomorrow night. Wtf!

Will Arteta use fringe players v Atalanta?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Looks like the fixture list is once again favouring City. We play away on Thursday night at Atalanta and Schitty are at home tomorrow night. Wtf!

Will Arteta use fringe players v Atalanta?

You’ve just realised this?

[Chippy]

You’ve just realised this?

Yes, I am a bit slow tbh :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

When Pep leaves and IF City want him, will Arteta leave ?

That is the question.

The season is a marathon and its only just started.

What is all this crazy talk of definitely not going to win the league ?

Nobody knows anything at this stage of the season.

It's a good question. Answer is probably yes, if the gypos can keep getting away with their "fair" play blatant cheating and don't get relegated. Also think Arteta would go. He's not Adams or Wilshere.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cjd5l8ll7zko

Chris Kavanagh proving what we already knew, that he’s weak

I had no choice

Well I’m sure you did feel that way when you had Brighton players screaming at you for a second yellow to cover up for the fact that Veltman had lunged in on Rice, but again if you weren’t so spineless you’d realise that you did very much have a choice. The same way you made the choice not to book Joao Pedro and not to send off Joel Veltman.

Referees that succumb too easily to pressure have no business in the top flight, cheating scum like Veltman and Welbeck have no business in the sport.

[Letters]

"I was just following orders"

That defence worked well for the Nazi's #godwinslaw

There seems to be an obsession with consistency - partly from the fans who demand it. But
a) We don't get that anyway and
b) I'd rather see common sense than "consistency".

Sending a player off should be a last resort. It changes the game. It should be used sparingly.

[HCZ_Reborn]

There’s actually a film coming out about the Nuremberg Trial and about how the army psychologists did regular checks on the defendants to assess their suitability to stand trial. Now Rudolf Hess who flew over to Britain in 1941 and was kept as a prisoner of war until moved back to Germany for the trial, actually feigned amnesia….claimed that he didn’t even remember his wife when she came to visit him (although quickly and conveniently regained his memory)

But what came out was that there was something ingrained in Germans culturally to be obedient and not question authority or orders. But it was more than that, it wasn't that obedience overrode the ethical considerations…the ethical considerations just weren’t there. Rudolf Hoess who was the commandant of Auschwitz, wasn’t a defendant at Nuremberg but he was brought in as a character witness, and under cross examination was completely matter of fact about what he did.
Not in a ranting scene chewing act of villainy, but just very coldly stated the methodical process of exterminating Jews in the most efficient way.


There were those at the trial who tried to deny the extent of their own involvement (like Goering) and some who were still so supportive of Nazi ideology that they proudly boasted about what they did. But there were some like Hoess, who actually couldn’t conceive of having done anything wrong (well that was until just before his execution where he readopted his Catholic faith, and renounced Nazism)

[Letters]

But what came out was that there was something ingrained in Germans culturally to be obedient and not question authority or orders.
Wait...so you're saying I'm German? :unsure:
(One for NQ, there).


While we are here, I don't really see the value in wheeling in these people in their late 90s and prosecuting them 80 years after the fact. Wasn't the recent one some typist or something?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Wait...so you're saying I'm German? :unsure:
(One for NQ, there).


While we are here, I don't really see the value in wheeling in these people in their late 90s and prosecuting them 80 years after the fact. Wasn't the recent one some typist or something?

Unless you’re talking about someone like John Demenjuk (there was a documentary on him on Netflix) I tend to agree. In fact the allies could have put far more Nazis on trial than they did post Second World War, it’s a case of where do you draw the line if Germany is ever going to be able to recover (thus a recognition in part that the war reparations after ww1 did in some way lead to Hitler coming to power).

But if you were a guard at Maunthausen, you probably did some shit you weren’t proud of (or at least shouldn’t be) but you wouldn’t have been there by choice and the fact is you’re going to die soon anyway. The question has to be asked….whats the point.

Even today Sometimes compromises are made and people get away with terrible things, to prevent chaos and potential civil war. A lot of corrupt African dictators are given an off ramp to allow them to retire in exile rather than cause a bloodbath in the street between loyalist and rebel soldiers

[Mac76]

And this has what to do with Arsenal exactly... :shrug:

[HCZ_Reborn]

And this has what to do with Arsenal exactly... :shrug:

Your GW pedant of the year certificate is in the post

[dazthegooner]

Go Smudger https://dailycannon.com/2024/09/alan-smith-harry-kane/

[Mac76]

Go Smudger https://dailycannon.com/2024/09/alan-smith-harry-kane/

Brilliant :)

K***'s lived off dodgy pels and tap-ins his whole career

[Letters]

And this has what to do with Arsenal exactly... :shrug:

Like PL refs, I admit I'm not always that consistent.
When it comes to when I split threads...I dunno, this one is so rambling anyway that it doesn't seem to matter that much if it gets a bit off topic here and there.
I split out your and HCZ's bickering in the prediction thread because it actually made it hard to find the predictions amid all that.
In brief: Meh.

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE6e0TbLJb0

:bow:

Thems were the days!

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE6e0TbLJb0

:bow:

Thems were the days!


We had quite a superior head to head record against them over those seven seasons 6 wins, 5 draws, 3 defeats

With the exception of a couple of games like when we had Eeyore Stepanovs in defence and lost 6-1 at their place, and we beat them 3-0 at Highbury (I think Ljungberg got his first Arsenal goal in that game) a lot of the games were quite close

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aE6e0TbLJb0

:bow:

Thems were the days!

I doubt I'll ever enjoy the game more than I did those days....the highs and the lows those games brought me was just crazy :bow:

[Mac76]

I doubt I'll ever enjoy the game more than I did those days....the highs and the lows those games brought me was just crazy :bow:

tbh i was more angry than anything - it wasn't an equal fight, we always got penalised more than Man 'no pels awarded against them at Old Shiteford' Ure and it was the days when they always got as much ET as they needed to get a winner, Ferguson bullied and cheated his way to at least half those titles , it's why i have no respect for him or Man U - Keane should have been in prison for some of his tackles, not collecting medals

[Letters]

I doubt I'll ever enjoy the game more than I did those days....the highs and the lows those games brought me was just crazy :bow:

Same.
I was younger, didn't have my own family so this was quite a big thing in my life - and when you're younger you feel things more deeply anyway.
It was a brilliant rivalry - Spurs were always worth a chuckle but they were more of an annoyance than a serious rival, the Utd games were always the ones I looked for first.

EDIT: And it was before the billionaires came in and started buying up trophies left, right and centre.

[HCZ_Reborn]

My favourite Arsenal season was the 01/02 season (as opposed to the unbeaten season)

I think as good as the unbeaten season was, there was by about March an inevitability about us winning the title, and I think going out of the fa cup and champions league in the space of three days in the unbeaten season was a bit of a bummer.

I was 18 for the 01/02 season….and it felt like a rollercoaster at times from losing 4-2 at home to Charlton and 3-1 at home to Newcastle, to going to Anfield and winning for the first time in almost a decade (playing most of the game with ten men) just before Christmas.

We were pretty rubbish in the champions league but even with that, there was the 3-1 win over Juventus and the 4-1 win over Leverkusen.

Nail biting games like beating Liverpool in the fa cup after being reduced to nine men, beating Chelsea in the final with two of the best goals I’ve seen us score.

Then you have the Pirès lob at Villa Park (without doubt the most nonchalant goal ever scored), the Bergkamp lob against Leverkusen and the Bergkamp spin and shot goal against Newcastle

The Henry double against United and the look of anguish on Barthez’s face as he gifted both of them to him.


All topped off with an otherwise forgettable game at Old Trafford, where there was a certain inevitability (we scored in every league game that season) that we’d find the net and all it took was one mistake from Silvestre and a marauding Ljungberg


“Pushed out by Barthez….Wiltord!!”


I got pissed that night and no mistake

[Letters]

Yeah.

I think up to a point The Invincibles achievement is over-rated. There are such fine lines in football, early in that season it was "The Battle of Old Trafford", 6 inches lower and that penalty goes in and while we might still have finished champions we wouldn't still be talking about that achievement.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah.

I think up to a point The Invincibles achievement is over-rated. There are such fine lines in football, early in that season it was "The Battle of Old Trafford", 6 inches lower and that penalty goes in and while we might still have finished champions we wouldn't still be talking about that achievement.

My favourite game in that season was in a competition where we certainly weren’t invincible and that was the 5-1 game against Inter.

A fairly even first half, re-established the lead early second half ….cagey game for next forty minutes…Henry does Zanetti and scores on the break and then a free for all.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Actually went to a couple of away league games that season, I was up in the stands at Ewood Park, behind the goal where Henry nicked the ball off Brad Friedel, rounded him and slotted home. Referee too stupid to realise that it was a perfectly legitimate goal as Friedel had released the ball and Henry had intercepted micro seconds after it had left his boot. I wonder what VAR would have done, probably would have disallowed the goal and sent Henry off for dangerous play :lol:

[Letters]

I remember that. Perfectly legitimate goal.
Without wishing to go all "NQ", we have a lot of talent in our current squad but IMO no-one anywhere near the level of Bergkamp or Henry.
The stuff they used to do... :wacko:

[Mac76]

Not that I was there to see it but the 1934-35 season deserves a mention, we won the First Division while Spuds were relegated after finishing bottom :haha:

[HCZ_Reborn]

As I stated to NQ, it’s not a fair comparison because those footballers were extraordinary even by the standards of the time in which they were playing, not just compared to now. I’m not even sure City have players on that level, De Bruyne at his peak potentially up there but other than that.

Our team is more like the late 80s/early 90s under GG, some very good players but no one player really stood out…it was more a collective effort. 1988/1989 a bit like the last couple of seasons sure we had Alan Smith, but we were more likely to get goals from all over the pitch - Merson, Rocastle, Thomas etc.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Not that I was there to see it but the 1934-35 season deserves a mention, we won the First Division while Spuds were relegated after finishing bottom :haha:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/88/52/49/8852491c6a1bcc6776ad6fd91188b1b1.jpg

You sure you weren’t there?

[Letters]

As I stated to NQ, it’s not a fair comparison because those footballers were extraordinary even by the standards of the time in which they were playing, not just compared to now.
Sure.

And I'm definitely not saying football was better back then. I mean, I think in some ways it was - it was more of a sport, less of a business. But in terms of the quality, there were a lot of cloggers back then. But to witness that era with I'd argue two of the GOATs playing in the same team, that's one to bore the kids and grandkids about.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sure.

And I'm definitely not saying football was better back then. I mean, I think in some ways it was - it was more of a sport, less of a business. But in terms of the quality, there were a lot of cloggers back then. But to witness that era with I'd argue two of the GOATs playing in the same team, that's one to bore the kids and grandkids about.

Oh for sure, I just do think there’s always an element of crying for the moon

Both in football and let’s be fair, in every other aspect of life

[Mac76]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/88/52/49/8852491c6a1bcc6776ad6fd91188b1b1.jpg

You sure you weren’t there?

Ha I'm not that old...

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ha I'm not that old...

The depressing thing is that I’m almost certainly older now, than that chap was when that picture was taken

[Mac76]

caught up with Sunday's MotD yesterday - in the Villa game, Cash literally picked the ball up after the ref had blown for a FK and ran away with it - did he get yellowed? did he f**k

Meanwhile Rashford got booked (admittedly slightly questionably) for a tackle, then put in another tackle which was a certain booking - did he get a second booking? did he f**k

#onlyArsenal

[WMUG]

Actually went to a couple of away league games that season, I was up in the stands at Ewood Park, behind the goal where Henry nicked the ball off Brad Friedel, rounded him and slotted home. Referee too stupid to realise that it was a perfectly legitimate goal as Friedel had released the ball and Henry had intercepted micro seconds after it had left his boot. I wonder what VAR would have done, probably would have disallowed the goal and sent Henry off for dangerous play :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73SRjWdrIA

Looking at the replay, I don't think it had left his boot, just his hand.

I don't think you can do that :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yeah think you’re right about it not getting to Friedel’s boot but the fact is, the referee ruled the ball was still in Friedel’s control well how so? If it’s in the air and it’s intercepted between hand and foot as long as there’s no follow through I can’t see how that’s not legitimate. But the referee I think probably didn’t know what to do, as he’d never seen that before.

I certainly hadn’t :lol:

[Letters]

Best did it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQdSpwVZ2MM

Also disallowed. But why? As soon as the 'keeper throws it and it's in the air, it's in play isn't it?

[WMUG]

I seem to remember a United player (Solskjaer?) doing the same thing soon afterwards, and that got disallowed.

My memory is that they updated the laws soon after to specifically disallow it.

[Letters]

I've seen goals where a 'keeper rolls the ball in front of them, a player hiding behind them nips round and knocks it in to the net and those have been given.
Maybe the issue was that the ball is in the air? To me that's in play so why isn't the goal given? But I think you're right they changed the rule - wasn't there something about hassling the 'keeper when they have the ball?

[HCZ_Reborn]

But rarely enforce Goalkeepers taking an age with goal kicks

I was even getting annoyed with David Raya doing it the other day

[Chippy]

I read today that Odegaard may be out until December at least!

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/arsenal-martin-odegaard-injury-nightmare-30121415

And, Saka limped off during the England game feeleing his hammy.

https://dailycannon.com/2024/10/arsenal-saka-england-injury/

:angry:

[The Wengerbabies]

https://x.com/UpFrontPod/status/1844324495500116042

I disagree that Wenger was not a footballing man, he was obsessed but in terms of his achievements at Arsenal it's hard to disagree with Souness here, he got very lucky. When the luck run out he was mediocre at best.

[Letters]

:yawn:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Souness was an appalling football coach, this is a guy tricked into signing a player based on a hoax phone call from someone claiming to be George Weah. He was a disaster at every club because he was more interested in showing off his own “skill” in training sessions.

Guy is a complete moron

[Letters]

Souness was an appalling football coach, this is a guy tricked into signing a player based on a hoax phone call from someone claiming to be George Weah. He was a disaster at every club because he was more interesting in showing off his own “skill” in training sessions.

Guy is a complete moron

:gp:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1231146874818361?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

[Chippy]

I read today that Odegaard may be out until December at least!

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/arsenal-martin-odegaard-injury-nightmare-30121415

And, Saka limped off during the England game feeleing his hammy.

https://dailycannon.com/2024/10/arsenal-saka-england-injury/

:angry:

Now Martinelli has an injury!
https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/14/arsenal-injury-nightmare-worsens-brazilian-star-heads-mri-scan-21790740/?ito=newsnow-feed

We should be able to stop players playing for their countries, it is a joke!

[WMUG]

It seems these days that we only really get injuries when players go away on international duty.

I do wonder what the hell Wenger was doing back in the day.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It seems these days that we only really get injuries when players go away on international duty.

I do wonder what the hell Wenger was doing back in the day.

It was more the kind of players, Henry for instance very rarely got injured. Where as some…Wilshere had ankles made of powder

[Marc Overmars]

I think Arteta places a lot of importance on robustness in a player. While Wenger would just keep players around because he may have liked their technical ability even though a lot of his squad for the second part of his reign were made up of players who were physically well short of the level required.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think Arteta places a lot of importance on robustness in a player. While Wenger would just keep players around because he may have liked their technical ability even though a lot of his squad for the second part of his reign were made up of players who were physically well short of the level required.

Yep, as I say Wilshere was key example of that. Shame really as I can’t remember any English player at Arsenal of his technical ability. But couldn’t stay fit

[Chippy]

Tommy out for another month.

Why didnt we sell this guy in the summer?

He is another wheelchair :(

[Marc Overmars]

Yep I think he will be out the door next summer with Timber and Calafiori establishing themselves.

[dazthegooner]

What happened to Tommy this time? Broken finger nail? :sulk:

[Mac76]

On the plus side it seems the Saka injury isn't serious, that said given the Shaktar game the following week I do hope Arteta does his best to rest him at the weekend

[HCZ_Reborn]

On the plus side it seems the Saka injury isn't serious, that said given the Shaktar game the following week I do hope Arteta does his best to rest him at the weekend

I hope that the Korean peninsular will be reunified in my lifetime.

The chance of either of our hopes coming to pass are probably at the same level of slim to none :lol:

[Mac76]

he has rested him for one or two games lately, I think he may finally be learning...

[Letters]

This is interesting. Anfield '89 but it's the original ITV broadcast with some pre-match build up, half time analysis and even the adverts!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQochYDc6kI

[HCZ_Reborn]

This is interesting. Anfield '89 but it's the original ITV broadcast with some pre-match build up, half time analysis and even the adverts!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQochYDc6kI

I don’t want to piss on your bonfire (but I will) but that’s been on you tube for years


Bobby Robson doesn’t think we will get the 2-0 win

[Letters]

I don’t want to piss on your bonfire (but I will) but that’s been on you tube for years
The first clue was when it said "8 years ago". I can also read.
I wasn't claiming it was new. I just hadn't seen it before, just because something exists that doesn't mean everyone has seen it.
:tiphat:

[dazthegooner]

I don’t want to piss on your bonfire (but I will) but that’s been on you tube for years


Bobby Robson doesn’t think we will get the 2-0 win

Don't think anyone did, I was on holiday in Bognor Regis Butlins on the day and had my Arsenal shirt on was walking along and a Liverpool fans was taking the piss telling me we have no chance. Later on after the match I see him can't remember what I said him too busy celebating but he told me too fook off I was only 14 :( how rude :lol: :scarf:

[Letters]

I remember thinking we had a chance, but that was because I wasn't in to football enough to know how ridiculous that opinion was :lol:
I mean, you never know in football - as that demonstrated - but looking back it seems implausible.
It's funny looking back at how little time is given before and after the game to the coverage - now there would be hours either end.
Obviously now we have endless dedicated channels, ITV were already late for the news :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Don't think anyone did, I was on holiday in Bognor Regis Butlins on the day and had my Arsenal shirt on was walking along and a Liverpool fans was taking the piss telling me we have no chance. Later on after the match I see him can't remember what I said him too busy celebating but he told me too fook off I was only 14 :( how rude :lol: :scarf:

I was 5 so my memory of 26th May 1989 is scant at best shall we say, I only have slightly clearer living memory of the 1990/1991 Title…and I think that was the Arsenal vs Man United game being on television and we had been confirmed champions before the game kicked off because Liverpool had lost.

You’re right, it would have been an exceptionally brave pundit to pick us to win it. We hadn’t won at Anfield in something like ten years, Liverpool hadn’t lost at home by more than a one goal margin in three years. Everyone was backing Liverpool because of Hillsborough, they had the mo given they hadn’t lost since losing at Old Trafford in January. We’d lost at home to Derby and Forest and away at Coventry in that same period. And given we practically would have have had the title won if we’d won both our last two home games (lost to Derby, drew with Wimbledon) we’d have only needed a draw. Although ironically I think needing to win helped us because Liverpool didn’t quite know how to play it, were worried about coming forward too much even at 1-0 down.

[Letters]

I was 5 so my memory of 26th May 1989 is scant at best shall we say
That's the exact amount of consolation we'd have seen it as had we won on the last day but not won the title.


Although ironically I think needing to win helped us because Liverpool didn’t quite know how to play it, were worried about coming forward too much even at 1-0 down.
It actually made for a dull game - not just that we needed to win but by 2 goals. We absolutely couldn't afford to go 1-0 down, that would have been a surely impossible mountain to climb.
Liverpool knew a draw was fine so they didn't want to concede either and then it be "next goal wins". So it was all very cagey.
Obviously the goal spiced things up a bit and the finale speaks for itself.
Still gives me chills watching that goal.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The nearest game I’ve seen to it was away at Bayern Munich where Bayern didn’t really know how to play it when we went there and we ended up winning 2-0 (unfortunately because of the away goal rule 2-0 wasn’t enough)

[Letters]

We did go through a phase of getting thumped in the first leg and then getting a heroic but ultimately futile result in the second :doh:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Edu is leaving the club


https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13248137/edu-arsenal-sporting-director-to-leave-club-with-reason-for-exit-as-yet-unclear

[Letters]

Rrg. And was it the set piece coach who left recently? Does all seem to be falling apart somewhat.

[Marc Overmars]

Not great news considering how closely he has worked with Arteta and how effective the recruitment has been.

It’s all a bit shit right now isn’t it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Dunno. The recruitment process has been at best a mixed bag, summer just gone was an utter shit show. Dont get me wrong, as I say repeatedly I genuinely like Calafiori….very good player I just question the necessity of the purchase given we clearly were working on a tight budget and had to bring money in. Merino? Fuck me he’s really atrocious. And less said about Sterling the better.

We are really lacking in depth in creative areas and we don’t have an out and out striker. That’s borderline negligence

And then you go back a few years, Jesus, Zinchenko, Vieira. You really have to ask yourself how good Edu actually was

[Mac76]

Rrg. And was it the set piece coach who left recently? Does all seem to be falling apart somewhat.

No the set piece coach is still there

[Mac76]

Dunno. The recruitment process has been at best a mixed bag, summer just gone was an utter shit show. Dont get me wrong, as I say repeatedly I genuinely like Calafiori….very good player I just question the necessity of the purchase given we clearly were working on a tight budget and had to bring money in. Merino? Fuck me he’s really atrocious. And less said about Sterling the better.

We are really lacking in depth in creative areas and we don’t have an out and out striker. That’s borderline negligence

And then you go back a few years, Jesus, Zinchenko, Vieira. You really have to ask yourself how good Edu actually was

Jesus single-handedly pulled our collective socks up to challenge for the title the season before last - his injury at the Word Cup unfortunately was a huge set back from which neither he or Arsenal have ever really recovered

obvs i agree 100% with Zin but that will have been an Arteta buy

And with Vieira I can see what they saw in him but for one reason or another it didn't work out

I do actually think we needed to strengthen the defence - look at how we're still struggling at LB for example

I think Merino was a response to Partey being more or less written off but now he's come back, is fit and playing well so that makes Merino look a little surplus to requirements but he's not as bad as you say.

The main failing, which I place at Arteta's door more than Edu, is failing to buy more firepower up front

Sterling is not a bad loan to add depth but we needed an additional goalscorer

[Mac76]

Not great news considering how closely he has worked with Arteta and how effective the recruitment has been.

It’s all a bit shit right now isn’t it.

Edu has always felt a bit weak IMO

I hope they recruit a very football-wise person who's capable of driving a hard deal and standing up to Arteta, rather than another yes-man

[HCZ_Reborn]

No the set piece coach is still there

Yeah was going to say, Nicholas Jover is still here

From what I can gather. Wilshere and Edu have left and that’s it.

Apparently the parents of Max Dowman who is supposed to be our next wonder kid, were upset over Wilshere departure because of good personal relationship between them, but people up and leave and get new jobs for all sorts of reasons.


Edu has been with us five years, it’s just possible that both he and the club have decided to go in different directions and it’s no bad thing to shake things up a bit.


This isn’t directed at you by the way, or indeed anyone else. I think the media like to create Drama though.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Jesus single-handedly pulled our collective socks up to challenge for the title the season before last - his injury at the Word Cup unfortunately was a huge set back from which neither he or Arsenal have ever really recovered

obvs i agree 100% with Zin but that will have been an Arteta buy

And with Vieira I can see what they saw in him but for one reason or another it didn't work out

I do actually think we needed to strengthen the defence - look at how we're still struggling at LB for example

I think Merino was a response to Partey being more or less written off but now he's come back, is fit and playing well so that makes Merino look a little surplus to requirements but he's not as bad as you say.

The main failing, which I place at Arteta's door more than Edu, is failing to buy more firepower up front

Sterling is not a bad loan to add depth but we needed an additional goalscorer

I think looking back at Jesus’ contribution to our title challenge, I think that claim is to say the least somewhat overstated

Jesus did ok for sure, but even at the beginning it was laughable how many chances he missed, and we were fortunate to have a triumvurate of Martinelli, Odegaard and Saka to help us.

As much as you won’t admit it, Zinchenko was also quite instrumental in making Martinelli a better player, in that Martinelli was operating in more space as a result of that. I think Calafiori when fit will provide just as much benefit to Martinelli without the defensive fuck ups and giving the ball away under no pressure.

I think Vieira always never looked physically strong enough for the premier league, always found it weird how someone reasonably short didn’t have a particularly good centre of gravity. I think technically very good, but never really showed much outside of pre-season games.

There aren’t many great out and out strikers, we don’t play a system where we employ a target man…in some ways might be better if we did…because I think Havertz is good with his head. I think ultimately you can see that Arteta wants to have the similar interchangeable front three that Liverpool had under Klopp and I must say I like that but it only works when you don’t try that ridiculous inverted full back system.

Sterling is completely and utterly burnt out, City knew this when they sold him to Chelsea I’m sure. He’s lost his electric pace and doesn’t have the strength to compensate.

[IBK]

Edu is leaving the club


https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13248137/edu-arsenal-sporting-director-to-leave-club-with-reason-for-exit-as-yet-unclear

Thia is worrying news. Edu has been a key part of our renaissance, and by all accounts works very well with Arteta and Josh Kroenke. More than that, it's strange that he would decide to leave if we are (as we all thought) on the brink of success. We seem to have lost our lustre this season, and this news won't help at all.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Thia is worrying news. Edu has been a key part of our renaissance, and by all accounts works very well with Arteta and Josh Kroenke. More than that, it's strange that he would decide to leave if we are (as we all thought) on the brink of success. We seem to have lost our lustre this season, and this news won't help at all.

I don’t know what he’s actually like, but in that Amazon documentary I think Josh Kroenke came across like a moron, someone sent out to us to get him out of the way by his father.


As for Edu I thought it was hilarious when talking about signing Tomiyasu when his own white board showed we had loads of options at right back already


Again don’t want to go on about what is only a Documentary, but I somehow strongly doubt that Edu leaving has anything to do with the last three league games.

[Letters]

his injury at the Word Cup
Is Scrabble one of the events at that ;)

[Letters]

No the set piece coach is still there

Ah. I read something about some coach leaving. I think it was this.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/15/jonas-eidevall-resigns-arsenal-head-coach

So... :shrug: :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Ah. I read something about some coach leaving. I think it was this.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/15/jonas-eidevall-resigns-arsenal-head-coach

So... :shrug: :lol:

Yeah he’s the women’s coach. I have zero interest in women’s football and I knew that.


I tried with it, I watched the World Cup final last year, but it was so slow, so lacking technically I just got bored


I actually genuinely think the goalmouth in the womens game could do with being made smaller, in both height and width. I’ve just seen so many goals where the goalkeeper lacks the height even outstretched to get to the ball.

[IBK]

I don’t know what he’s actually like, but in that Amazon documentary I think Josh Kroenke came across like a moron, someone sent out to us to get him out of the way by his father.


As for Edu I thought it was hilarious when talking about signing Tomiyasu when his own white board showed we had loads of options at right back already


Again don’t want to go on about what is only a Documentary, but I somehow strongly doubt that Edu leaving has anything to do with the last three league games.

I didn't say it was. The point I was making is that by and large Edu and Arteta have made a good team in advancing our club in recent years, and Edu leaving will inevitably be de-stabilising and perhaps damaging. Arteta seems to have been a bit myopic in the Summer transfer business, and I can't see that the departure of a sporting director whom as far as we know the manager trusts will be helpful.

[dazthegooner]

Just seen this.
Garlick influence

When Edu came in, Arsenal were lacking “football men” in the boardroom. The majority of those running the club were more focused on finances and commercial deals than the pitch. Edu changed that.

Richard Garlick is a football man.

He spent over 8 years at West Brom before becoming the Premier League’s Director of Football. Garlick’s LinkedIn profile outlines his history in the game:

I held a variety of positions, including Legal Director, Club Secretary, Sporting and Technical Director and Director of Football Administration. I was appointed to the Board of Directors in 2010.

Responsible for all football administration matters at WBA and led on negotiations with players, intermediaries, clubs, head coaches and senior football staff.

The feeling at the club could now be that with a football man at the helm, we no longer need Edu.

Previously the man at the top of the tree (Vinai, Ivan), were business first. Meanwhile Garlick has all the skills of Edu and more!

We may well see Garlick absorb Edu’s roles into his own job, and then offset some of the commercial minded roles to Juliet Slott., the clubs Chief Commercial Officer.

That would see us focused on the football from the very top, rather than commercial first then football.

This does not mean garlic has pushed Edu out. More than the leadership structure has been potentially reviewed and a decision made that you do not need two people (Edu and Garlick) with a similar skill set capable of fulfilling a similar role.

[IBK]

Just seen this.
Garlick influence

When Edu came in, Arsenal were lacking “football men” in the boardroom. The majority of those running the club were more focused on finances and commercial deals than the pitch. Edu changed that.

Richard Garlick is a football man.

He spent over 8 years at West Brom before becoming the Premier League’s Director of Football. Garlick’s LinkedIn profile outlines his history in the game:

I held a variety of positions, including Legal Director, Club Secretary, Sporting and Technical Director and Director of Football Administration. I was appointed to the Board of Directors in 2010.

Responsible for all football administration matters at WBA and led on negotiations with players, intermediaries, clubs, head coaches and senior football staff.

The feeling at the club could now be that with a football man at the helm, we no longer need Edu.

Previously the man at the top of the tree (Vinai, Ivan), were business first. Meanwhile Garlick has all the skills of Edu and more!

We may well see Garlick absorb Edu’s roles into his own job, and then offset some of the commercial minded roles to Juliet Slott., the clubs Chief Commercial Officer.

That would see us focused on the football from the very top, rather than commercial first then football.

This does not mean garlic has pushed Edu out. More than the leadership structure has been potentially reviewed and a decision made that you do not need two people (Edu and Garlick) with a similar skill set capable of fulfilling a similar role.

I hope you're right...

[dazthegooner]

I hope you're right...

Was a piece on 'She wore a yellow ribbon'

[Letters]

Yeah he’s the women’s coach. I have zero interest in women’s football and I knew that.


I tried with it, I watched the World Cup final last year, but it was so slow, so lacking technically I just got bored


I actually genuinely think the goalmouth in the womens game could do with being made smaller, in both height and width. I’ve just seen so many goals where the goalkeeper lacks the height even outstretched to get to the ball.

I probably just saw the clickbait headline about an Arsenal coach leaving and thought it was something important.
I don't mind the women's game but I do tire of the relentless push to pretend it's the same as the men's when it just isn't.
And we've had the discussion about smaller goals on here. It makes sense up to a point, but WMUG made a good point about it affecting the grass roots game where you're not going to readily have different size goal frames handy. But not a discussion I can pretend to care about that much.

[IBK]

I probably just saw the clickbait headline about an Arsenal coach leaving and thought it was something important.
I don't mind the women's game but I do tire of the relentless push to pretend it's the same as the men's when it just isn't.
And we've had the discussion about smaller goals on here. It makes sense up to a point, but WMUG made a good point about it affecting the grass roots game where you're not going to readily have different size goal frames handy. But not a discussion I can pretend to care about that much.

I agree 100% with the constant headlines accross all media that relate to Arsenal that make you look, and then realise its a headline about the womens' team. If I had nothing else to do and Arsenal women were playing a big game I would probably watch them - just because of club allegiance. But not really very bothered...

[21_GOONER_SALUTE]

So it seems the last of the people responsible for overruling Emery and going with stats instead (the Pepe deal) is going.

As for me, baring Odegaard (who obviously had a test run before joining us), Partey is the only deal he should be proud of. I'm giving Saliba deal to whoever our scouts were in France and the immediate impact Jesus and Zinchenko made to us clearly belongs solely to Arteta as those were players he worked with before, so he clearly identified them himself.

He more than anyone messed up the Mudryk deal and made us a bit of a laughing stock for a while before the joke turned out to be Chelsea.

TBF I'd still rate him over the previous guy that had the job (I think that was Raul or was it Sven?) and in general I think the club is doing better than the late years of Wenger and the Gazidis partnership.

I'd actually love it if another ex player of ours could come and take the job, though I can't think of anyone currently in an executive position in any other club.

Oh well, see you later Edu.

[dazthegooner]

Apparently according to Teamtalk PSG are going to bid £80m for Saliba and it will be hard for us to say no... £80m think Teamtalk need to do some transfer market research maybe at a 1 before the 8 then we might be tempted (Not saying that Saliba would actually go for that but still).

[HCZ_Reborn]

So it seems the last of the people responsible for overruling Emery and going with stats instead (the Pepe deal) is going.

As for me, baring Odegaard (who obviously had a test run before joining us), Partey is the only deal he should be proud of. I'm giving Saliba deal to whoever our scouts were in France and the immediate impact Jesus and Zinchenko made to us clearly belongs solely to Arteta as those were players he worked with before, so he clearly identified them himself.

He more than anyone messed up the Mudryk deal and made us a bit of a laughing stock for a while before the joke turned out to be Chelsea.

TBF I'd still rate him over the previous guy that had the job (I think that was Raul or was it Sven?) and in general I think the club is doing better than the late years of Wenger and the Gazidis partnership.

I'd actually love it if another ex player of ours could come and take the job, though I can't think of anyone currently in an executive position in any other club.

Oh well, see you later Edu.

Wait? You’re literally still butthurt on the Mudryk deal. I have a clear memory of that time, I don’t remember anyone considering us a laughing stock and all I remember was you having a meltdown over it….because something something prestige.

[Mac76]

Is Scrabble one of the events at that ;)

:lol:

[Mac76]

sounds like it wasn't happy families behind the scenes:

"...the reason for his departure is due to ‘internal disagreements over the line to follow for the future of Arsenal, which arose amid a long-term strategic review of the club.’

Sources say that Edu holds ‘opposing positions to other leading figures at Arsenal about the next steps for the development of Arsenal’ and in order not to ruin his ‘fantastic’ relationship with the club, decided to leave."

https://www.teamtalk.com/arsenal/true-reasons-behind-edu-exit-arsenal-revealed-bombshell-nottingham-forest-links-are-clarified

[dazthegooner]

Well it's official https://www.arsenal.com/news/edu-gaspar-resigns-sporting-director

[IBK]

On reflection I am not liking this departure.

Stability and continuity are very important for any football club, and we more than any have experienced what happens when it is not there. Edu has been a big part of our transformation since Arteta's arrival (as well as recruiting him), and until yesterday, we were seen as a settled club, with Arsenal DNA (Edu was an Invincible after all), and a clear and effective plan for sustained success. This is important for player recruitment as much as anything else.

I am not saying that things should never change, but the optics and circumstances of Edu's departure ring alarm bells. This was clearly not something that was planned for, and took the club by surprise. Further, it is decidedly odd that just as (we all thought), we were close to fulfillment of a staged plan to get back to the top, our sporting director chooses to leave.

By all accounts Edu was Arteta's friend and ally. A bit like David Dein with Wenger. And we all saw how things eventually came off the rails once Wenger no longer had someone he trusted to help guide his approach.

It's difficult to see this news as anything other than a destabilising factor. We can debate Edu's role in signings all we like, but after Arteta's arrival it is difficult to see their partnership as anything other than successful. I think Arsenal will have to work hard to ensure that Edu's departure does not have damaging repercussions.

[HCZ_Reborn]

On reflection I am not liking this departure.

Stability and continuity are very important for any football club, and we more than any have experienced what happens when it is not there. Edu has been a big part of our transformation since Arteta's arrival (as well as recruiting him), and until yesterday, we were seen as a settled club, with Arsenal DNA (Edu was an Invincible after all), and a clear and effective plan for sustained success. This is important for player recruitment as much as anything else.

I am not saying that things should never change, but the optics and circumstances of Edu's departure ring alarm bells. This was clearly not something that was planned for, and took the club by surprise. Further, it is decidedly odd that just as (we all thought), we were close to fulfillment of a staged plan to get back to the top, our sporting director chooses to leave.

By all accounts Edu was Arteta's friend and ally. A bit like David Dein with Wenger. And we all saw how things eventually came off the rails once Wenger no longer had someone he trusted to help guide his approach.

It's difficult to see this news as anything other than a destabilising factor. We can debate Edu's role in signings all we like, but after Arteta's arrival it is difficult to see their partnership as anything other than successful. I think Arsenal will have to work hard to ensure that Edu's departure does not have damaging repercussions.

Ultimately, in football as in all walks of life…people change jobs. I think any suggestion of tension seems to be purely speculative. What appears more likely is that Edu got headhunted and made an offer he couldn’t refuse, being paid more to take on a more influential role.
Is it desirable? No but for a club like Arsenal it shouldn’t be that much of an issue. Dein’s departure was acrimonious because there was a clear dividing line between him and Hill-Wood over selling shares to KSE. What should not be allowed to happen is for Arteta to do what Wenger did and use the power vaccum to grab more responsibility and influence at the club