Leicester City v Arsenal, 26th Sept, 3pm

[Kano]

We're winning this.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just hope we play well, couldn't care less about the result because in the scheme of things it's irrelevant. We already know we've finished 3rd or 4th this season so points, placings, irrelevant.

But it would be nice to see a decent performance. A bit of entertainment. Something like a 3-0 Ozil hat trick. Would be great.

[Marc Overmars]

1-1

[GP]

0-3

[Injury Time]

Just hope we play well, couldn't care less about the result because in the scheme of things it's irrelevant. We already know we've finished 3rd or 4th this season so points, placings, irrelevant.

But it would be nice to see a decent performance. A bit of entertainment. Something like a 3-0 Ozil hat trick. Would be great.
Lacking bit sharpness due to travelling to Spuffs, unlucky to let in 3, Owen Goal #1 striker off form and my wife left me :crying:
3-0 <_<

[Master Splinter]

Could be little bit mental game.

We'll create the chances, it's whether Walcott and Alexis score them that's the problem.

2-4.

[Syn]

Coquelin will be a big loss. 2-2.

Wont be watching because Wenger's ruined everything. Even his marriage.

#8million

[Munchies]

Leicester City
01 Schmeichel
02 de Laet
06 Huth
05 Morgan
15 Schlupp
26 Mahrez
14 Kanté
04 Drinkwater
11 Albrighton
20 Okazaki
09 Vardy

Substitutes
10 King
17 Simpson
19 Kramaric
23 Ulloa
32 Schwarzer
33 Inler
36 Dodoo

Arsenal
33 Cech
24 Bellerín
04 Mertesacker
06 Koscielny
18 Monreal
20 Flamini
19 Cazorla
16 Ramsey
11 Özil
17 Sánchez
14 Walcott

Substitutes
02 Debuchy
03 Gibbs
08 Arteta
12 Giroud
13 Ospina
15 Oxlade-Chamberlain
21 Chambers

[McNamara That Ghost...]

BFG and Koscielny reunited. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Pleased to see he's dropped Bif. Good that Flamini has been picked over Arteta. Neither are that great but Flamini's confidence must be up after mid-week. Hopefully we won't be seeing him in the centre forward role today though. Can Theo do something today? Anything?

[alexander]

Pleased with Flamster over Arteta. He was one of the only ones who really played like he wanted a place in the starting line up against Spurs. Just dont get book in the first 10 mins please...

[Syn]

Vardy is the sort of striker that would unplug your phone to charge his life support machine.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vardy is the sort of striker that would unplug your phone to charge his life support machine.

:lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on Arsenal. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Theo still offside.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cazorla shot cleared off the line.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cech saves from Schlupp.

[Kano]

Hanging on at the moment

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vardy hits the post, scuffed a bit I think.

[Kano]

Fuck sake

[Master Splinter]

:doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ramsey rubberlegs. :bow:

1-0 Vardy.

[Kano]

So easy for Vardy to place that

[adzzzbatch]

Arsenal :haha:

[alexander]

just settled down for an afternoon of football and Im pissed off already.

[Kano]

Ozil can you shoot when you have site of goal. Please?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Schmeichel saves from Cazorla.

[Master Splinter]

THEO!!!!

[A Gunner]

1 - 1 Walcott

[Kano]

Off the bar for Leicester :lol:

Feo!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

THEO!!!!

What a counter!!

[alexander]

Yay Feo

[Master Splinter]

Today, the other team has all the chances and Walcott scores from a difficult angle.

Arsenal :wacko:.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Alexis. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Old Man Flamini off injured, Arteta coming on.

[Kano]

Ramsey cleaned out.

Should've been a free kick.

Flam off Arteta on? Wengbot offline.

[Niall_Quinn]

Missed all that, what have we been up to? Fast, incisive, counter attacking football of the highest order - or tippy tappy?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well done Cech.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ramsey - why the first touch? It's crazy.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ramsey charged down by three!

[A Gunner]

1 - 2 Alexis!!!

[Master Splinter]

ALEXIS!!!!!

[Niall_Quinn]

ALEXIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1-2

[Kano]

You sexy little bastard

[Niall_Quinn]

Well done Bellerin.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Very happy for Alexis. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Guy runs across Arteta who does nothing other than keep on running. Guy falls over. Good decision, play on and stop moaning.

[Master Splinter]

Despite their key passes in both goals, Cazorla and Ozil have been woeful so far.

[Master Splinter]

Monreal just killed their right-back.

Hard men Leicester.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fans going full blast to try and get every decision, as you would expect. Hopefully the ref does his job.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Okazaki. :lol:

Wimp.

[Master Splinter]

Okazaki knows how the refs work in this league. He keeps running into players fully expecting a free-kick. Pawson must not have got the cheque yet.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

One day Cazorla will smash it in again.

[Niall_Quinn]

Okazaki knows how the refs work in this league. He keeps running into players fully expecting a free-kick. Pawson must not have got the cheque yet.

Let's hope the banks are efficient as ever and wait until Monday to clear it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Poor touch from Theo there.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Freekick to Leicester, daft from Arteta really.

[Niall_Quinn]

Theo really needs to sort himself out. Bags of pace to make himself the opportunity, but then it all goes to shite.

[Niall_Quinn]

Good tackle by Arteta - dive. FK.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Morgan. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

What happened to the defending there? Are we on a coffee break?

[Niall_Quinn]

Should be a FK to us for a tackle from behind on Alexis.

[Kano]

Leicester's defence have been thugging us to death so far. Of course the ref has rewarded us with the fouls we deserve.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Leicester 1-2 Arsenal, HT. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Leicester's defence have been thugging us to death so far. Of course the ref has rewarded us with the fouls we deserve.

Amazing the difference the absence of a Mike Dean can make.

[Master Splinter]

We were on top after we equalised.

Bellerin running the right side on his own again. Fuck off Barca.

Need more from Ozil, Ramsey and Cazorla. And cut out the sloppiness or Leicester will be rampaging towards goal again.

[Kano]

Amazing the difference the absence of a Mike Dean can make.

Was being little bit sarcastic

[A Gunner]

There is something wrong with those bi-colour boots...

[Niall_Quinn]

Was being little bit sarcastic

Thought the ref did ok, by the standards of this league. Lots of times he could have gone with the crowd but decided to apply the rules instead.

[Niall_Quinn]

We were on top after we equalised.

Bellerin running the right side on his own again. Fuck off Barca.

Need more from Ozil, Ramsey and Cazorla. And cut out the sloppiness or Leicester will be rampaging towards goal again.

Alexis sloppy with his passing but I think Ozil has played well. Don't forget, he's a footballer surrounded by charging and snorting pubbers, so he has to play a bit like a matador. Theo has been a bit sad with his first touch and his decision making.

[Kano]

Thought the ref did ok, by the standards of this league. Lots of times he could have gone with the crowd but decided to apply the rules instead.

Ramsey's been cleaned out a few times, Leicester players falling over like they're going down for a try. Ref is letting the game flow but I don't think we're getting much in return. It's not a game until we have one of our CM's on a yellow anyway.

[Niall_Quinn]

Andy King on for Lester.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on Arsenal. :bow:

[alexander]

60% possession and 5 shots on target :cheer:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Awful touch Alexis!

[Niall_Quinn]

Ramsey is really off form.

[alexander]

Ramsey is really off form.

like so many of our players

[Master Splinter]

Alexis sloppy with his passing but I think Ozil has played well. Don't forget, he's a footballer surrounded by charging and snorting pubbers, so he has to play a bit like a matador. Theo has been a bit sad with his first touch and his decision making.

I say what I see and Ozil has been crap. There's no excuse for slack passing and technical errors from a player as talented as him. You're worse than Cripps with your favourites and non-favourites.

[Niall_Quinn]

You could SCREAM watching them try to walk the ball into the net. SHOOT FFS!

[Niall_Quinn]

I say what I see and Ozil has been crap. There's no excuse for slack passing and technical errors from a player as talented as him. You're worse than Cripps with your favourites and non-favourites.

Alexis is my favourite player.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Alexis shot, deflects over.

[Master Splinter]

Alexis is my favourite player.

Never said he wasn't.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Is Alexis having a go at someone that he didn't take it down to feet? :unsure:

[Niall_Quinn]

Never said he wasn't.

Never said you said he wasn't.

[Niall_Quinn]

Slop with a tame effort.

[A Gunner]

1 - 3 Alexis

[McNamara That Ghost...]

ALEXIS!!!!!! :cloud9:

[Master Splinter]

ALEXIS!!!!!!

[Niall_Quinn]

ALEXIS 1-3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kano]

Alexis!

My favourite player.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Özil. :cloud9:

Great guy, humanitarian, football god.

[GP]

Brilliant!

[Master Splinter]

That was superb footy.

We're back!

[GP]

Great ball by Ozil.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil again :coffee:

[Master Splinter]

Özil. :cloud9:

Great guy, humanitarian, football god.

I hate him so will refuse to acknowledge his good work leading to the goal.

[alexander]

Good to see Alexis name back on the scoresheet. He needed that.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Scuffer from Theo.

[Master Splinter]

Theo Gaye shoots like a weak little girl.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Theo, stop ruining it!

[Niall_Quinn]

Not the greatest effort by Theo. But at least he's stretching the defence today with his running. They are shitting their pants whenever he runs at them.

[Niall_Quinn]

I hate him so will refuse to acknowledge his good work leading to the goal.

You have a smaller cock than Zim, if that's even possible.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vardy is a little shit.

I'd unplug his phone charger and his life support machine.

[Kano]

Vardy being a little cunt again

[Master Splinter]

Vardy you little cunt.

Shame Gabriel's not on the pitch to nail him.

[alexander]

From what you guys are saying here Im guessing Theo was the better choice than Giroud!

[Niall_Quinn]

Somebody from Spandau Ballet coming on for Lester

[Niall_Quinn]

From what you guys are saying here Im guessing Theo was the better choice than Giroud!

Well he's moving about a fair bit which seems to be more effective than the lamppost tactic.

[Kano]

Playing some really good stuff now. We have a fourth in us. Given Leicesters comeback abilities we'll probably need it.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Theo needs to bury that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh Theo :doh:

[Master Splinter]

Give it some violence Theo, you weakling!

[Niall_Quinn]

Arteta booked for something or another.

[Globalgunner]

Oh Theo :doh:

You should never be dissappointed when someone lives up to his low expectations.

Arteta the fk machine

[Globalgunner]

Somebody from Spandau Ballet coming on for Lester

i thought that guy was in Level 42

Something about him

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arteta. :haha:

Oh dear.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ramsey :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I really hope Ramsey gets a goal soon so he can stop messing about.

[Niall_Quinn]

Drinkwater rightly booked.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arteta just can't help passing sideways.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ramsey shoots, timely defending from Theo.

[Niall_Quinn]

Theo with the last ditch clearance from a Ramsey effort.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Midweek game coming up, time for some subs I'd have thought.

[A Gunner]

Ramsey off
Ox on

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Ramsey off, Ox on.

[Niall_Quinn]

Silly corner.

Ox coming on, Ramsey off WTF!!!?????????? Ramsey off!!!!!!!!!!!

Wenger must have hired Tom Cruise to recover the blackmail material.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Bellerin. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Bif coming on :doh:

Why does Wenger do this? He knows Lester have a habit of coming back. He sees we are in control. He sees Theo giving them a ton of problems. So what the fuck is he thinking?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Theo off, Bif on.

Well done Theo, mostly.

[A Gunner]

Walcott off
Giroud on

[A Gunner]

1 - 4 Alexis Hattrick!!!

[Master Splinter]

Weak shooting aside, very good performance from Feo.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

ALEXIS HAT-TRICK!!!!!

I LOVE HIM.

[Master Splinter]

ALEXIS!!!!

[Niall_Quinn]

Alexis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hat trick!

WUMger :haha: Should have subbed him :haha:

[GP]

Theo's best performance in ages.

Still needs to be more clinical.

[Kano]

Wow

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Stunning goal. :cloud9:

[Globalgunner]

Arteta just can't help passing sideways.

You should always play to your strengths

[Niall_Quinn]

One day Alexis will be almost as good as Azzahhhhh.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cech is still awake, if nobody else back there is.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cech woken up - good save.

Alexis clobbered beforehand.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cech. :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Cech :bow:

Chavs could have done with him this season really.

[AFC Leveller]

good stuff al round today, nothing to complain about.

[GP]

Cech is outstanding. What a superb signing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cech :doh:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Cech. :lol:

[Kano]

And that isn't a yellow?

[Niall_Quinn]

Ref calls it back so he can use his spray. Good reffing :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

What are Leicester on?

Cech. :bow:

2-4 Vardy.

[Niall_Quinn]

2 mins of terrible, terrible defending. Fast asleep.

2-4

Silly bastards.

[Master Splinter]

Playing like utter retards since the fourth.

Unprofessional.

Cech has made more saves in the last five minutes than he has in the last two months.

[AFC Leveller]

dont let them come back into this, otherwise it really is time to kill wenger and the players.

[Kano]

Goal difference :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil should score :doh:

[Globalgunner]

Screwed up what should have been an almost immaculate performance

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Özil get to ten goals. :lol:

Unlikely.

[GP]

Ozil has to score there.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Giroud. :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Bif is little bit fucking useless, isn't he?

[Kano]

Giroud :lol:

[A Gunner]

2 - 5 Giroud

[McNamara That Ghost...]

GIROUD!!!!!

[Master Splinter]

BIF!!!!!!

[Niall_Quinn]

Bif is fucking excellent - what a finish.

2-5

[GP]

Awesome!

[Globalgunner]

Comebackability:cheer:

[AFC Leveller]

YESSSSSSS

[Kano]

Misses a sitter then he buries that.

This has basically been a game of FIFA.

[GP]

And just like that we've doubled our goal tally for the season.

[Niall_Quinn]

Entertaining game, that's what I asked for so no complaints. And we got the result too. And Theo played okay. And Alexis is scoring again. All boxes ticked.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Leicester 2-5 The Arsenal, FT.

Well that was absolutely mental.

:bow:

[AFC Leveller]

wenger will say we dont need strikers.

well done boys, theo is the ideal player away from home, runs all day and can finish.

[A Gunner]

Come on, Newcastle!!!

[Master Splinter]

Could be little bit mental game.

We'll create the chances, it's whether Walcott and Alexis score them that's the problem.

2-4.

Bif you twat :doh:.

[Kano]

Ozil MOTM

[Niall_Quinn]

Ozil MOTM

Azzahh MOTM for me.

[Kano]

Azzahh MOTM for me.

You and your favourites.

[Letters]

good stuff al round today, nothing to complain about.

:(

GW :rose:

[Niall_Quinn]

It's almost as if people say we played shit when we play shit, and then flip flop and say we played well when we play well.

[Letters]

It's a bit more like people say the most negative thing they can but if it's a good result and performance they don't say much at all.

:tiphat:

[Niall_Quinn]

It's a bit more like people say the most negative thing they can but if it's a good result and performance they don't say much at all.

:tiphat:

We all said more than you tbf.

[LDG]

It's a bit more like people say the most negative thing they can but if it's a good result and performance they don't say much at all.

:tiphat:

From what I've seen (and I didn't watch the match); most people have been pretty positive, realistic and happy about the win :shrug:

I'm not one of them, because football is dead, yet I have this horrible inate zombie fascination with Arsenal it seems. I wish I could switch off :(

[Letters]

From what I've seen (and I didn't watch the match); most people have been pretty positive, realistic and happy about the win :shrug

They have, to be be fair, and I guess when we win and play well there isn't that much to say about it all.
I am a bit sick of the unremitting misery on here though, after the West Ham game you'd have thought we were all set for a relegation battle.


I'm not one of them, because football is dead, yet I have this horrible inate zombie fascination with Arsenal it seems. I wish I could switch off :(

I don't watch much these days - I only saw the Spurs game because I was away with the in-laws and they wanted to watch it, kinda glad I saw it though given the result. I'm much less interested in football in general these days, it's not the sport I grew up with, but yeah I can't completely disentangle myself from it and still kept an eye on the score today.

[LDG]

They have, to be be fair, and I guess when we win and play well there isn't that much to say about it all.
I am a bit sick of the unremitting misery on here though, after the West Ham game you'd have thought we were all set for a relegation battle

Nope. The reason people get naffed off, isn't because we lose to West Ham in a one off match; It's because we lost to West Ham, in the same way we lost to Aston Villa two seasons before.

We lost, having come off the back of an FA Cup winning season, where we'd forgiven the really really shit start, we'd made off the back of the previous FA Cup winning season.

The reason you don't get the frustration, is because you think it's more comfortable to stay still.

Spurs beat City 4-1 today.

Billions of pounds has nothing to do with it.

Drilling a team of players is the way to go, and until our numpty of a manager respects the game instead if living in his own dream world, we will forever be left behind.

Everyone was quite rightly utterly disgusted with the West Ham result.

[Kano]

Letters off on his fucking high horse again. No idea how he got up there though. If only he was actually better than everyone else. Might be worth listening to then.

[Letters]

The reason you don't get the frustration, is because you think it's more comfortable to stay still.
I do 'get' the frustration, I don't get the ridiculous over-reaction and pant wetting.


Spurs beat City 4-1 today.
Billions of pounds has nothing to do with it.

It must be coincidence that every title since the billionaires stuck their oars in has been won by one of them (or Utd who had Fergie as manager and also have more spending power than us). You can always point to individual results and that is not an argument. Over a season the money has an effect. It's had an effect for us too now we've got the money to sign players like Ozil and Sanchez.


Everyone was quite rightly utterly disgusted with the West Ham result.

Rightly so, but all the hyperbole writing off our season after that one game was and remains nonsense. We've stuttered a bit so far but they're just starting to look like a pretty decent team again, we're in touch with the top of the table and for now that's all we need to be.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.caringpets.org/wp-content/uploads/goldfish-bowl-small.jpg

[Marc Overmars]

Letters has developed into a deadly WUM.

[GP]

Yeah, but it's always positive. Why would being positive about the club we all support wind anyone up?

He's the Anti-Cripps.

[Letters]

He's the Anti-Cripps.

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. :lol:

I don't even think I'm being overly positive. We all have concerns and frustrations. I'm just saying things like, as poor as the opening day was, how it doesn't make a load of sense to judge a season after one game and being called a WUM by people who can't be arsed to form a coherent counter-argument (in that example because there isn't one). Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM. It's a lazy "you know you are, you said you are".

Meh, whatever. The ZD is so advanced in many on here it seems they almost cross their fingers we lose these days just so they can have another moan. Even if we win they often moan anyway.

[LDG]

That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. :lol:

I don't even think I'm being overly positive. We all have concerns and frustrations. I'm just saying things like, as poor as the opening day was, how it doesn't make a load of sense to judge a season after one game and being called a WUM by people who can't be arsed to form a coherent counter-argument (in that example because there isn't one). Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM. It's a lazy "you know you are, you said you are".

Meh, whatever. The ZD is so advanced in many on here it seems they almost cross their fingers we lose these days just so they can have another moan. Even if we win they often moan anyway.

4

:console:

[Letters]

Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming

QED :)


Et tu, LDG?

[Niall_Quinn]

Break it down:


I don't even think I'm being overly positive.

Neither do I. You're being overly apologetic, which is a different thing.


We all have concerns and frustrations. I'm just saying things like, as poor as the opening day was, how it doesn't make a load of sense to judge a season after one game...

As people have said over and over and over and over again, they weren't judging it on just one game, they were judging it on a pattern established over a decade. Any fool knows you don't call the result of a season after the first game. But what you can do is recognise when the same problems keep cropping up season after season. Going into the arguments again isn't relevant to the main point here though. It's your careful framing and your insistence on ignoring the context of the opposing argument that pisses people off. You're an intelligent bloke so it's hard to think you can't interpret what people have been saying. You know exactly what they are saying and you also know the balance of evidence is firmly against your position, so you throw all this out and instead create a childishly simple position for your opponent which you then roll your eyes at. Oh what poor deluded, reactionary fools they are. Imagine them thinking the season is over after just one game. And look, we beat Leicester - so they are WRONG! Ha ha ha.


...and being called a WUM by people who can't be arsed to form a coherent counter-argument (in that example because there isn't one).

And here's the evidence. The reason your opponents don't have a coherent argument is because you ignore it. But better yet, you deny the counter argument can even exist. Well it's not so hard to be right all the time when the contrary view is disqualified by default.


Usually after a bit of back and forth people just resort to abuse, subject-changing and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM.

Yes, people get frustrated with your unwillingness to engage in any sort of meaningful debate. And they get angry when you tell them what they think and ignore what they say. Is it therefore so difficult to understand why they assume you are a WUM? In a way it's a compliment. They are saying, wow, the guy can't really be that dumb and disagreeable, he must be doing this on purpose.


It's a lazy "you know you are, you said you are".

Yes - very lazy.

[Power n Glory]

:gp:

[Globalgunner]

I dont know why you people bother. Letters is the ultimate troll. Good result people feeling good anf focusing on the next game and he pops up to stir things up. Good result: give the manager a new contract, bad result: you people are bedwetters. Deprive him of Oxygen chaps, fire just thrives on it.
Another 5 years of coming 4th and he`d still see no problem.

[Letters]

And that is a perfect example of what I'm talking about :lol:
No attempt to engage with anything I've said. Lazy straw man argument misrepresenting my views and stating what I think and then, the cherry on top, masking all this by claiming I'm the "troll"

[Xhaka Can’t]

There is a lot of truth in NQ's post.



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[Letters]

As people have said over and over and over and over again, they weren't judging it on just one game, they were judging it on a pattern established over a decade.
You have said that over and over again and I have responded over and over again as to why I see glimmers of hope that those patterns are changing. I'm not going to list those things again. You might not agree with me and that's fine. But don't say I've ignored or failed to understand the point, I've addressed it repeatedly.
If we're just going by the patterns of previous seasons then one of them has been a failure to maintain a consistent challenge. There have been seasons where we've gone off like a train only to collapse at the business end. So even if we'd won every game so far if you believe the patterns are just going to repeat then there would be no reason for optimism anyway. If the 'balance of evidence' is the last 10 years then that balance exists whatever results are so far this season.


Any fool knows you don't call the result of a season after the first game. But what you can do is recognise when the same problems keep cropping up season after season.

OK, but again you can't sensibly assess that after one game or even after 7. The West Ham game did burst the bubble of positivity which had been built up in the tail end of last season and in pre-season but some of the reactions on here were ridiculous over-reactions. Last season we lost any chance of the title before we really got going. This season the start has been somewhat stuttering but results have been OK. We're in touch. No-one has gone off like a train - even City's has now derailed somewhat. IMO we're good enough to mount a challenge, if we stay in touch then I trust this lot more than I would have a few years ago to finish the job. If we fail to mount a challenge this year then I agree Wenger should go.


create a childishly simple position for your opponent which you then roll your eyes at
I can't quite believe you've said that when that is EXACTLY what a lot of people have done to me. Globalgunner has done it just a few posts above.
My position is caricatured constantly - I think Wenger can do no wrong, we could lose 10-0 to Chelsea and I'd still defend Wenger (that's pretty much a direct quote from a PnG post) and :blah:
I've said Wenger should be sacked if we don't challenge but I'll assess that at the end of the season, not the start (another opinion which is obvious but has been repeatedly lampooned - mostly by you).


Yes, people get frustrated with your unwillingness to engage in any sort of meaningful debate.

What?! Most of my attempts to do so are met by abuse and WUMming.


And they get angry when you tell them what they think and ignore what they say.

Which is exactly what Globalgunner has done a few posts above and what has happened to me repeatedly.


Is it therefore so difficult to understand why they assume you are a WUM?

Well, given my comments above - yes. All those accusations you make are EXACTLY what others have done repeatedly to me. But I'm the one being accused of WUMming
:shrug:

[Syn]

And while everyone's chucking their 2p in, I'll say Letters is a WUM. But a WUM through the unusual medium of tedious, sheer balance. He's not overly positive or negative. He winds up patience-testing losers that need Arsenal to win the league to feel good about their shit lives. He has my blessing.

[Letters]

I like it when Syn drinks in the afternoons :d

[Niall_Quinn]

And while everyone's chucking their 2p in, I'll say Letters is a WUM. But a WUM through the unusual medium of tedious, sheer balance. He's not overly positive or negative. He winds up patience-testing losers that need Arsenal to win the league to feel good about their shit lives. He has my blessing.

You mean inert?

[Dein-machine]

You have said that over and over again and I have responded over and over again as to why I see glimmers of hope that those patterns are changing. I'm not going to list those things again. You might not agree with me and that's fine. But don't say I've ignored or failed to understand the point, I've addressed it repeatedly.
If we're just going by the patterns of previous seasons then one of them has been a failure to maintain a consistent challenge. There have been seasons where we've gone off like a train only to collapse at the business end. So even if we'd won every game so far if you believe the patterns are just going to repeat then there would be no reason for optimism anyway. If the 'balance of evidence' is the last 10 years then that balance exists whatever results are so far this season.



OK, but again you can't sensibly assess that after one game or even after 7. The West Ham game did burst the bubble of positivity which had been built up in the tail end of last season and in pre-season but some of the reactions on here were ridiculous over-reactions. Last season we lost any chance of the title before we really got going. This season the start has been somewhat stuttering but results have been OK. We're in touch. No-one has gone off like a train - even City's has now derailed somewhat. IMO we're good enough to mount a challenge, if we stay in touch then I trust this lot more than I would have a few years ago to finish the job. If we fail to mount a challenge this year then I agree Wenger should go.


I can't quite believe you've said that when that is EXACTLY what a lot of people have done to me. Globalgunner has done it just a few posts above.
My position is caricatured constantly - I think Wenger can do no wrong, we could lose 10-0 to Chelsea and I'd still defend Wenger (that's pretty much a direct quote from a PnG post) and :blah:
I've said Wenger should be sacked if we don't challenge but I'll assess that at the end of the season, not the start (another opinion which is obvious but has been repeatedly lampooned - mostly by you).



What?! Most of my attempts to do so are met by abuse and WUMming.



Which is exactly what Globalgunner has done a few posts above and what has happened to me repeatedly.



Well, given my comments above - yes. All those accusations you make are EXACTLY what others have done repeatedly to me. But I'm the one being accused of WUMming
:shrug:

If others are repeatedly accusing you of Wumming - don't you ever think the others may be right. Personally doesn't bother me, you have already stated above that you hardly watch us now so I don't know why anyone lets your comments get to them - you probably don't see the monotonous shit that Wenger is now serving up with a squad short of quality so you look at Saturday as a potential "turning point" & proof of progress.We've had so many of these "turning points" you wouldn't believe it. Those of us that watch the team home & away will tell you that come Saturday the ball & chains will be put on certain players coz were playing the mighty Utd ( the Mighty UTD that most other teams have been smashing for the past few years ) & we will either scrape a bore draw or lose to a break away Shrek goal. If we take the lead Wenger will shit it at half time & go defensive. Then when the inevitable Utd goal comes because of us defending too deep, we won't have the players on the pitch to win the game because he replaces our best players with the Arteta's & Flamini's thinking they are good enough to sit back & defend. This is the shit we are now being served, in amongst it comes the joy of the occasional win like Saturday against a pub team, more often though we are pubbing wins against pub teams, drawing them at times having had 75% of the ball & the obvious defeats/draws to the best teams where we "lacked a little quality in the final 3rd" - it will be business as normal against Utd.

[Letters]

If others are repeatedly accusing you of Wumming - don't you ever think the others may be right.
Well, no.
What usually happens is I post something fairly reasonable and people respond with abuse and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM.


I don't know why anyone lets your comments get to them

I have no idea why anything I say would 'get' to anyone. :shrug:


you probably don't see the monotonous shit that Wenger is now serving up with a squad short of quality so you look at Saturday as a potential "turning point" & proof of progress.

No. No I don't. It was a good performance and a good result against a team in form, but of course it wasn't a turning point.
Most of the people who seem to violently disagree with me seem to be disagreeing with a complete caricature of what I actually think.


Those of us that watch the team home & away will tell you that come Saturday the ball & chains will be put on certain players coz were playing the mighty Utd & we will either scrape a bore draw or lose to a break away Shrek goal.

Well, we'll see. If that happens then yes, same old Arsenal...
But let's actually wait and see. I should point out you were saying the exact same thing before the quarter final at Old Trafford:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3253&page=5

And, to be fair, that's an understandable view. We have and a long and wearying history of cocking up these big games. But we won that one, we won at City, there are just glimmers we can stand up in these games. I saw the Chelsea game as important - it was the first of those big games this season. But it was 0-0 before Dean decided to step in and hand Chelsea the points on a silver platter - one they'd probably bought for him. So I'm not sure we can conclude anything from that result. I see the Utd game as important - it's this sort of game that if we're serious about the title we have to win, simply not losing, while not a disaster, isn't really good enough.

[Syn]

You mean inert?

No, I mean shit. Really shit.

[Dein-machine]

Well, no.
What usually happens is I post something fairly reasonable and people respond with abuse and WUMming and then accuse me of being a WUM.



I have no idea why anything I say would 'get' to anyone. :shrug:



No. No I don't. It was a good performance and a good result against a team in form, but of course it wasn't a turning point.
Most of the people who seem to violently disagree with me seem to be disagreeing with a complete caricature of what I actually think.



Well, we'll see. If that happens then yes, same old Arsenal...
But let's actually wait and see. I should point out you were saying the exact same thing before the quarter final at Old Trafford:

http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3253&page=5

And, to be fair, that's an understandable view. We have and a long and wearying history of cocking up these big games. But we won that one, we won at City, there are just glimmers we can stand up in these games. I saw the Chelsea game as important - it was the first of those big games this season. But it was 0-0 before Dean decided to step in and hand Chelsea the points on a silver platter - one they'd probably bought for him. So I'm not sure we can conclude anything from that result. I see the Utd game as important - it's this sort of game that if we're serious about the title we have to win, simply not losing, while not a disaster, isn't really good enough.

I posted my comments after a 5-2 victory at Leicester because I know what happens next. Most Arsenal fans know what happens next after a decent win - I post this 3 days later after losing to a Greek team who have never won a C.L. game in England in previous 12 years. Can you see why I don't share your thoughts on Wenger maybe getting things right. It aint happening Letters.

[Letters]

Last night was...a bit disappointing. :lol:
Let's see how we do vs Utd, if we balls that up too then yeah, fine, I give up.
It's a slight exaggeration to suggest that every decent win is followed by a poor result.