Transfer News, Rumours and Bollocks Thread

[LDG]

At 8am this morning several Journalists,and AST Members all started communicating about a medical today happening as we speak...Player unknown...It's been rife on Twitter all morning.

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Gervinho then I guess.

[Darth Vela]

They have it solved...he's called Samir Nasri

:lol:

They wish.

[Elche]

I thought this had been posted about the medical, as the info has been circulating for hours.

[LDG]

I thought this had been posted about the medical, as the info has been circulating for hours.

We're a bit slow this morning.

Let's dig around a bit.....:woohoo:

[Darth Vela]

I think they're on the lookout for a midfielder next (which explains why they're linked with Nasri) With Ferguson he doesn't waste time, making sure he gets the necessary recruitments in early.

Yeah, I'm sure they are looking to get one in but they need a real class act so I'd guess they're gonna take their time over it.

[LDG]

Another day, another report in the French media claiming Arsenal are closing in on Lille attacker Gervinho.
This morning L’Equipe (http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/breves2011/20110629_101131_gervinho-bientot-gunner.html) claims that the Gunners have tabled a final €12 million offer for the Ivorian, which the Ligue 1 champions will accept. The 24-year-old has also reportedly agreed a four year contract at the Emirates and could undertake the formality of a medical this afternoon.


http://news.arseblog.com/index.php/2011/06/lequipe-gervinho-to-be-tied-up-today/

[Boss]

Jones and Young can both play CM innit.

[Darth Vela]

Jones and Young can both play CM innit.

And so can Eboue.

They should buy Eboue for 20m instead.

[Coney]

They should buy Eboue for 20m instead.

Of such things, dreams are made. :cloud9:

[Joker]

It is pretty funny, especially the statement from Shakthar 'they offered us Denilson, we are not interested in him at all', if it forced them to change their attitude it might work out nicely if they don't leave this year, doubt it would though.

True, it could be an incentive for them to change their mindset, but their previous actions suggest otherwise unfortunately.

[Syn]

It's not Wenger's so called "socialism" that's the problem, it's his free market fundamentalist ideas that has got us into this predicament, combined with the old fashioned ideas of our board members, who are simply old Etonian dinosaurs.

:lol:

[Boss]

11.01: Marca says Barcelona and Arsenal have expressed an interest in signing Juan Mata to the player’s agent, and now Tottenham have joined the race for his services. Valencia are demanding €25 million for the Spain Under-21 star.

http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/

[Japan Shaking All Over]

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Gervinho then I guess.

my money is on a CB - getting excited! - Cahill

:pray: that is not the club (sorry company) forgetting to give Jenkinson his


just read LDG's later mail -:getcoat:

[Özim]

I'm sorry mate, but you're not making much sense.

On the one hand you're saying we're letting top players contracts run down.

On the other you're saying we're paying out stupid money to players that don't deserve big wage hikes.

Now, out of the players you have mentioned, Nasri seems like the "toppest" player, and surely the player that you were initially thinking of, because this wouldn't have come up otherwise.

Tell me what Nasri had done to deserve an improved deal last summer, that, BTW, we did offer. All 90k of it??

Furthermore, Nasri's value last year would have been nothing compared to now. Especially coming off the back of NIL return, having been injured for much of his SECOND season with us, and many fans on here baying for blood because he wasn't good enough.

Yet. He comes out at the beginning of last year, and proves he is one of our TOP players, and that perhaps AW was right to offer him a new deal, and have faith in his ability.

I don't get where you are coming from. Because for all I can see, you're twisting what is a situation we've tried to resolve with a more than reasonable offer, at the right time, into something you can beat Wenger with.
Ok what I meant is we shouldn't pay kids who have never achieved anything (and were bought young for next to nothing) big money.

Nasri is slightly different, we bought him for a fair whack thus offering him a new contract makes sense if only to get back most of what we paid out, by letting him run down his contract we're losing money, that was my point.

I'm not saying Nasri was worth a new contract just that we spent a lot on him. Clichy I agree with he had been poor and maybe we'd have been stuck with him had he been on a longer contract.

[Özim]

Chamakh on 50k? After signing him for free? I'd be surprised if it's under 65k at the very least.

I have no doubt our young players are on more than at other clubs, them being first team regulars and all but I'm not entirely sure what your point is. You want us to negotiate contracts earlier just in case players get good later but you don't want us to pay young players more as they haven't proven themselves yet? That seems kinda contradictory to me.
I couldn't remember the figure to be honest, but yeah he's on way too much either way IMO.

I only want us to renegotiate contracts for players we paid out big money for, simply to protect our investment or for players who perform brilliantly

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Ok what I meant is we shouldn't pay kids who have never achieved anything (and were bought young for next to nothing) big money.

Nasri is slightly different, we bought him for a fair whack thus offering him a new contract makes sense if only to get back most of what we paid out, by letting him run down his contract we're losing money, that was my point.

I'm not saying Nasri was worth a new contract just that we spent a lot on him. Clichy I agree with he had been poor and maybe we'd have been stuck with him had he been on a longer contract.

In your eyes or in my eyes or the eyes to most on GW, but helping the club reach its aim of beeing a top 4 club means the players have achevied success in AW and the baords eye's.

so they were "reawaded" for it. My only problem is the stupid long contracts not the pay as such.

just extend then my 2 years/3 years max none of this 5/6 year extenstion nonsense we have been doing.

[Darth Vela]

I couldn't remember the figure to be honest, but yeah he's on way too much either way IMO.

I only want us to renegotiate contracts for players we paid out big money for, simply to protect our investment or for players who perform brilliantly

Fair enough, I think the important thing is balance between that and not being taken for mugs to the point whereby everyone's demanding wages anyway, we're usually pretty close to the right balance imo which is why we've only lost one guy in the last 6 years, despite being pretty skint compared to our rivals but you're never going to hit it perfectly.

[Özim]

In your eyes or in my eyes or the eyes to most on GW, but helping the club reach its aim of beeing a top 4 club means the players have achevied success in AW and the baords eye's.

so they were "reawaded" for it. My only problem is the stupid long contracts not the pay as such.

just extend then my 2 years/3 years max none of this 5/6 year extenstion nonsense we have been doing.
To be honest not sure Denilson or Bendtner helped much with that, nor Eboue, Diaby or Rosicky.

If they'd performed well then fair enough, they just haven't though. We give out big money before a player has done anything, in a sense it's a demotivator as they have no motivation to improve in some cases and don't feel they have anything to prove.

It's not helped by Wenger's constant praise either, with the money they earn and the praise they get they must think they're playing like Messi, is it any wonder they have big ego's when the manager does this?

[Darth Vela]

Actually, on our run of tight defensive play and letting Arshavin do all the creative work in order to salvage 4th place, Denilson and Diaby were instrumental in keeping us tight in midfield. I know no-one will believe that ever actually happened, memories tend not to stretch that far on the internet but it happened.

[Marc Overmars]

Denilson sucks donkey dick.

[Cripps_orig]

INTER MILAN keeper Emiliano Viviano is an £8million target for Arsenal.

Gunners boss Arsene Wenger will make his move as soon as he finally offloads Emirates misfit Manuel Almunia.
Inter have only just paid Bologna £3.8m to acquire the full rights for Viviano, 25, who had been co-owned by the two clubs.
But the 6ft 5in Italian would welcome a move to Arsenal to battle Wojcech Szczesny for the No 1 spot rarther than be Julio Cesar's understudy at the San Siro.
Almunia lost his place at Arsenal after a series of blunders last season and fans demanded Wenger bring in an experienced stopper this summer.
But targeting Viviano suggests Wenger is not prepared to break the bank with a £20m swoop for Lyon's France No 1 Hugo Lloris.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3665516/Arsenes-8m-bid-for-keeper-Viviano.html#ixzz1QfOBHy4B

Wouldnt want Lloris here as hes shit. As for the other nobody, no thanks. We need a world class keeper

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wouldnt want Lloris here as hes shit. As for the other nobody, no thanks. We need a world class keeper

We ain't getting loris when we have Flappyhandski

[Marc Overmars]

We're not getting a keeper for 10 years now.

/keeper rumours

[Toronto Gooner]

Actually, on our run of tight defensive play and letting Arshavin do all the creative work in order to salvage 4th place, Denilson and Diaby were instrumental in keeping us tight in midfield. I know no-one will believe that ever actually happened, memories tend not to stretch that far on the internet but it happened.
Just as Fabregas never plays a crappy pass or interception, never misses a shot or a tackle; so Denilson and Diaby never do anything right.

[Elreactor]

We can always get De Gea. Wenger is great at targeting young talent before anoyone else.

Oh I forgot he´s just signed for someone else.

:sleep:

[Flavs]

funniest rumour so far this summer?

AC milan are interested in Denilson

:lol:

[Toronto Gooner]

funniest rumour so far this summer?

AC milan are interested in Denilson

:lol:
Well, they did sign that other Arsenal superstar, Flamini.:)

[Flavs]

Well, they did sign that other Arsenal superstar, Flamini.:)

yeah but he was free and at least he tried

[Master Splinter]

We can always get De Gea. Wenger is great at targeting young talent before anoyone else.



He is, that's why we've got Szczesny and he didn't cost £20 million.

[Cripps_orig]

He is, that's why we've got Szczesny and he didn't cost £20 million.

Does the fact De Gea is 40 million times better than our Polish clown not come in to it though?

[Coney]

No, because he probably had a decent defence of 4 to cover him while Szczesny was only protected by 2 and 2 halves.

[Toronto Gooner]

Does the fact De Gea is 40 million times better than our Polish clown not come in to it though?
Is De Gea really significantly better? I think that we should wait and see before stating that he is so vastly superior.

[Flavs]

Is De Gea really significantly better? I think that we should wait and see before stating that he is so vastly superior.

Goalies will always look better for Manyoo mate because he has 10 people in front of him defending

[Toronto Gooner]

No, because he probably had a decent defence of 4 to cover him while Szczesny was only protected by 2 and 2 halves.
And the referees are even more protective of keepers in Spain. It is a cliche but I wonder how he will deal with players like Terry, Carroll, Drogba, etc. who get away with a lot.

[Toronto Gooner]

Goalies will always look better for Manyoo mate because he has 10 people in front of him defending
Don't you mean 13 players in front of him: you forgot the referee and the two assistants.

[Cripps_orig]

Is De Gea really significantly better? I think that we should wait and see before stating that he is so vastly superior.
Yes.

Seen enough of both to know De Gea is the real deal whilst the clown is a work in progress.

Obviously im hoping De Gea flops but cant see it.

He'd be the number one for any other country right now if he wasnt Spanish

[Joker]

You can't call Szczesny a clown, he did well last season, and was one of the few bright spots of an otherwise dark campaign.

[Boss]

14.09 DONE DEAL: Sunderland have signed Connor Wickham on a four-year deal from Ipswich. For around £8 million, possibly rising to £13 million.

http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/

Thank fuck that finally rules us out, although looking at the fee... if Oxlade-Chambermonkey's is similar that will be shocking.

[Coney]

You can't call Szczesny a clown, he did well last season, and was one of the few bright spots of an otherwise dark campaign.

:gp: I've got a lot of time for him and in time, a lot more supporters will be singing his praises.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

:gp: I've got a lot of time for him and in time, a lot more supporters will be singing his praises.


Originally Posted by Joker
You can't call Szczesny a clown, he did well last season, and was one of the few bright spots of an otherwise dark campaign.


:clap:

and with a decent defence in front of him will only get better......my Villa mate says that Szghsjafgh does not command the area enough or use his voice......I beg to differ.....any thoughts?

[Cripps_orig]

Hes average at best atm.

I have seen signs however that he can be quite good in the future.

Unfortunately after 6 years of shiteness, we've lost patience and cba waiting for players to come good anymore.

We need a well established world class keeper. A quality CB, a CM who doesnt pine for a move to other clubs and a fully fit striker.

Make that our spine and we're walking the league tbh

[Grebbo]

Let's face it.... any GK after Almunia and Flappy is going to look world class because they are so fucking shit.

Time will tell if PIG will be a good GK.

[Cripps_orig]

Let's face it.... any GK after Almunia and Flappy is going to look world class because they are so fucking shit.

Time will tell if PIG will be a good GK.

Exactly.

Sir Chesney is fortunate that hes come in straight after Almunia and the Original Polish clown and him being mediocre is still at least 3 levels up than those 2 are thus he has the backing of fans.

If he had come in to the team after Lehmann, we'd be moaning about having a shite ass keeper

[LDG]

Exactly.

Sir Chesney is fortunate that hes come in straight after Almunia and the Original Polish clown and him being mediocre is still at least 3 levels up than those 2 are thus he has the backing of fans.

If he had come in to the team after Lehmann, we'd be moaning about having a shite ass keeper

I can remember everyone breathing a sigh of relief when the gay spanish one took over from Jens....

[Coney]

Exactly.

Sir Chesney is fortunate that hes come in straight after Almunia and the Original Polish clown and him being mediocre is still at least 3 levels up than those 2 are thus he has the backing of fans.

If he had come in to the team after Lehmann, we'd be moaning about having a shite ass keeper

Lucky that Lehmann never made any mistakes, gave away unnecessary penalties or raced miles out of his area to try and tackle a top striker. No siree. ;)

[Cripps_orig]

I can remember everyone breathing a sigh of relief when the gay spanish one took over from Jens....

Tbf, Jens was a bit shit then and Almunia was fine in 07/08 and 08/09 for the most part.

The following 2 seasons, fuck knows what happened to him How he started last season as our number 1 after the mistakes of the previous season, il never know.

Wenger :doh:

Should be sacked for that alone

[LDG]

Tbf, Jens was a bit shit then and Almunia was fine in 07/08 and 08/09 for the most part.

The following 2 seasons, fuck knows what happened to him How he started last season as our number 1 after the mistakes of the previous season, il never know.

Wenger :doh:

Should be sacked for that alone

Yeah. Weird. When El Mongia took over he was bloody good for a bit....was it Kolo and Sol at the back when that happened, or had Billy taken over??

[Cripps_orig]

Yeah. Weird. When El Mongia took over he was bloody good for a bit....was it Kolo and Sol at the back when that happened, or had Billy taken over??

It was Gallas and Kolo

Sol had left

[LDG]

:good:

Even more baffling then.

[Marc Overmars]

That was his honeymoon period.

Almunia was horrifically exposed as a poor keeper. Sure our defence wasn't all that, but it is possible for good keepers to stand out despite having a shite defence in front of them. Almunia's errors were basic and fundamental. Both West Brom games last season just summed him up.

[LDG]

Urgh. I was behind the goal at the home game v the baggies.

Fuck me was that awful keeping. I've seen pub team keepers look more assured.

I love how he "injured his elbow".

Wenger should have just said. "He's shit, and I'm never playing the cunt again".

[Cripps_orig]

I was at that game as well.

He actually saved a penalty in that match IIRC

Then the real Almunia came to play and we were fucked.

[Özim]

That was his honeymoon period.

Almunia was horrifically exposed as a poor keeper. Sure our defence wasn't all that, but it is possible for good keepers to stand out despite having a shite defence in front of them. Almunia's errors were basic and fundamental. Both West Brom games last season just summed him up.
Should have seen it coming when he had a mare in the CL final tbh

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Should have seen it coming when he had a mare in the CL final tbh

well had Jens not been a twat Almunia would never have played in the final. But it works both ways, had Henry took his chances we be kings of Europe already.

[GP]

well had Jens not been a twat Almunia would never have played in the final. But it works both ways, had Henry took his chances we be kings of Europe already.

Pretty much. It's easy to blame someone when they've been thrown in at the deep end. We had enough chances to finish them off, but didn't take them.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Pretty much. It's easy to blame someone when they've been thrown in at the deep end. We had enough chances to finish them off, but didn't take them.

Yep.

[Özim]

well had Jens not been a twat Almunia would never have played in the final. But it works both ways, had Henry took his chances we be kings of Europe already.
Henry performed time and time again, he's our record goalscorer after all and he did his bit to get us to the final in the 1st place anyway.

Almunia came in, totally bottled it when he got a chance and somehow managed to stick around for 5+ years....Wenger's had a shocker there.

He was never good enough those are the hard facts, he would have never lasted this long at any other top club.

Celta Vigo didn't even want him.

[Tony Tuesdays]

Apparently the rumour is Gervinho will sign tonight. He's said to be undergoing a medical at London Colney.

[Injury Time]

Apparently the rumour is Gervinho will sign tonight. He's said to be undergoing a medical at London Colney.

Gets coat on grabs car keys, thinks nah fuckit puts kettle on and awaits press conference :coffee:

[Sirjackofwilshere]

11rickyalvarez (http://twitter.com/#%21/11rickyalvarez) 11rickyalvarez by CulannDavies



Me encantaria jugar en el arsenal, seria un sueño para mi! Ojala dios quiera que se concrete!



:partytime:

[Ollie the Optimist]

:partytime:


translated?

[Ollie the Optimist]

kaiser retweeted this on twitter and its from the cheif scout of uniteds mate or something (yes realiable i know)


Nasri - 130k a week, 4 year deal, medical completed a week ago, Wenger has been overruled due to the transfer fee. Threatening to quit.

the last phrase will make ach love twitter :lol:

[GP]

kaiser retweeted this on twitter and its from the cheif scout of uniteds mate or something (yes realiable i know)



the last phrase will make ach love twitter :lol:

Shame it's all bollocks.

[Marc Overmars]

What a load of shite. It would have been made public by now if he had a medical there, especially a week ago.

[Niall_Quinn]

And here we go again - if we sell Nasri to Utd, what's required is for the doors to be locked on the boardroom, the whole place doused in petrol and a match thrown in. Because that's what those fuckers are doing to this club, torching it it so they can warm their fat useless arses on the flames. Just how greedy are these cunts - is there any limit? Fuckers. Cunts. Fucking cunt cunt fuckers.

[KSE Comedy Club]

translated?


I love to play in the arsenal, would be a dream for me! I wish to God that is realized!

From google translate.

[Joker]

And here we go again - if we sell Nasri to Utd, what's required is for the doors to be locked on the boardroom, the whole place doused in petrol and a match thrown in. Because that's what those fuckers are doing to this club, torching it it so they can warm their fat useless arses on the flames. Just how greedy are these cunts - is there any limit? Fuckers. Cunts. Fucking cunt cunt fuckers.

They are free market extremists, simply as.

[Coney]

And here we go again - if we sell Nasri to Utd, what's required is for the doors to be locked on the boardroom, the whole place doused in petrol and a match thrown in. Because that's what those fuckers are doing to this club, torching it it so they can warm their fat useless arses on the flames. Just how greedy are these cunts - is there any limit? Fuckers. Cunts. Fucking cunt cunt fuckers.

Unless he is going to Inter of course. Fuki cunti cunti fuki?

[Toronto Gooner]

And here we go again - if we sell Nasri to Utd, what's required is for the doors to be locked on the boardroom, the whole place doused in petrol and a match thrown in. Because that's what those fuckers are doing to this club, torching it it so they can warm their fat useless arses on the flames. Just how greedy are these cunts - is there any limit? Fuckers. Cunts. Fucking cunt cunt fuckers.
????? Oh, I forgot, the board of directors get every penny of the transfer fees received for players.

[LDG]

Latest rumours are that Milan are in for Nasri.

Rofl.

[Coney]

Latest rumours are that Milan are in for Nasri.

Rofl.

Ay, but rather that than manure, tbh.

[LDG]

Ay, but rather that than manure, tbh.

Yeah bit if Cesc goes, and Nasri goes, and all we buy is Gervinho, I might be loosening my bowels with a fahl before heading to Arsene's front door.

[budesonide]

And here we go again - if we sell Nasri to Utd, what's required is for the doors to be locked on the boardroom, the whole place doused in petrol and a match thrown in. Because that's what those fuckers are doing to this club, torching it it so they can warm their fat useless arses on the flames. Just how greedy are these cunts - is there any limit? Fuckers. Cunts. Fucking cunt cunt fuckers.


the problem though is that the chap has got only a year left on his contract which it appears he does not want to renew (and i don't think it's for the sake of wages).

if united are the only idiots willing to fork out 20mil or any thing close to that sum for him we have no choice whatsoever. Should he be sold to barca,milan etc for 5mil?

The issue was letting his contract run down in the first place; selling him to the highest bidder now is a mere insult to an already morbid injury that's been sustained.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Latest rumours are that Milan are in for Nasri.

Rofl.

Swap deal for the duchman tbh (Wesley)

[Darth Vela]

the problem though is that the chap has got only a year left on his contract which it appears he does not want to renew (and i don't think it's for the sake of wages).

if united are the only idiots willing to fork out 20mil or any thing close to that sum for him we have no choice whatsoever. Should he be sold to barca,milan etc for 5mil?

The issue was letting his contract run down in the first place; selling him to the highest bidder now is a mere insult to an already morbid injury that's been sustained.

You sit there bitching and moaning about us acting on financial grounds rather than footballing grounds and then suggest selling one of our best players to the Mancs purely on the basis that no-one else will pay us the same money for him?

[budesonide]

You sit there bitching and moaning about us acting on financial grounds rather than footballing grounds and then suggest selling one of our best players to the Mancs purely on the basis that no-one else will pay us the same money for him?

read my post again buddy! take your time this time around :coffee:

[Darth Vela]

if united are the only idiots willing to fork out 20mil or any thing close to that sum for him we have no choice whatsoever

:shrug: Doesn't seem that ambiguous to me.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your post, that part just didn't seem to chime with what I remember reading from you before.

[selassie]

Whichever way we look at it we're pretty screwed with the Nasri situation.
:sulk:

The situation with him is worse than that of Flamini, Nasri with a long term contract IMHO would fetch in excess of 25million in the current market.

We lose him and we've lost a very important player in the team who will not be immediately replaced like for like. :sulk:

[budesonide]

:shrug: Doesn't seem that ambiguous to me.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your post, that part just didn't seem to chime with what I remember reading from you before.

if you agree with the context within which you extracted that statement, then what is your issue with it?

we have already fucked up with the nasri situation; the best that can be done now is sell him for as much money as we can and re-invest the money back in the squad.

I don't have to agree with the club's idiotic policies on the whole to see that that is the best we can make of a pretty dumb situation in which such policies have gotten us into in the first place.

[Darth Vela]

I agree that we maybe should have been more pro-active last summer to give him an improved contract but just because we have let Nasri's contract run down we shouldn't sell him to the Manc purely because they're offering the most money, that was what you were saying, right? If not, then fair enough I've grabbed the wrong end of the stick but it sounded like you were wanting us to put the financial wellbeing of the club ahead of the footballing side of it, strange given you're so outspoken about the club doing things exactly that way.

[Coney]

I'm less concerned about Cesc and Nasri leaving than I am if we don't buy some solid backbone players. If we lose those two but get a decent CB (or two) and some solid driving players in the middle, I think we will be better off. It's not the skill factor that is killing us, it is the tailing off in the last thrid of the season and no-one on the pitch seeming to give enough of a toss to drive themselves and the others forward.

We drew at Newcastle not because their players have more skill than ours - no way is that true - but what counted was the will to push hard and push again, to keep at it till the final whistle. The same reason why spuds have embarrassed us sometimes in recent seasons - like the 4-4 a couple of years back. That will to win is what is missing.

[Cripps_orig]

[/URL][URL="http://www.goal.com/en-gb/teams/russia/558/anzhi-makhachkala"]Anzhi Makhachkala (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/teams/uzbekistan/309/uzbekistan) midfielder Odil Ahmedov (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/people/uzbekistan/29106/odil-ahmedov/national) has claimed Arsenal (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/teams/england/94/arsenal) scouts are watching him at every game.
The Uzbekistan international, who is on loan from Uzbek League club Pakhtakor Tashkent, has reportedly been on the radar of a number of European clubs since his eye-catching form at this year’s AFC Asian Cup.
The player has confirmed there is interest from Gunners manager Arsene Wenger, and says it would be a success for Uzbek football if a move were to materialise.
“It is true that Arsenal are interested in me. Now I am watched by the English team’s scouts. They are watching me in every game,” Ahmedov said to RIA Novosti.
“If I move to Arsenal, it will be a success not only for me, but for the whole Uzbek football.”
The 23-year-old has made 38 appearances for his country, scoring six goals in the process.
His performances were key to the country’s fourth-placed finish in the 2011 AFC Asian Cup – their highest ever placing in the tournament – and he was named Uzbekistan Player of the Year in 2009.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/06/30/2554289/arsenal-scouts-are-watching-me-in-every-game-i-play-anzhi

:lol:

[Ironing]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/06/30/2554289/arsenal-scouts-are-watching-me-in-every-game-i-play-anzhi

:lol:

racist

[Darth Vela]

:lol:

Maybe we should go for the winner of Uzbekistan Player of the Year 2010 instead?

[budesonide]

I agree that we maybe should have been more pro-active last summer to give him an improved contract but just because we have let Nasri's contract run down we shouldn't sell him to the Manc purely because they're offering the most money, that was what you were saying, right? If not, then fair enough I've grabbed the wrong end of the stick but it sounded like you were wanting us to put the financial wellbeing of the club ahead of the footballing side of it, strange given you're so outspoken about the club doing things exactly that way.

I have never suggested that -- let's clear that up first. I have asserted that there should be a balance in the club's approach to running the club. And that the austerity and so-called 'self-sustainble model' nonsense is impractical,pretty daft and lacks any real-world foresight -- and there is a balance to be had. And I have not seen any post on here by anyone suggesting that we splash cash like there is no tomorrow.

On the issue of nasri: selling him to the highest bidder regardless who they are and re-investing the money in the squad is the sensible option if he doesn't want to be here. That satisfies both financial and football sensibilities considering the situation we are in. I believe that is a balanced view and not the 'one or the other' shi*te that is so often characteristic of this board.

[AKBapologist]

Meanwhile we find no takers for our dross. If this summer doesn't improve I fear I may be arrested and banned from the club following the action I feel I would take.

[AKBapologist]

And no, there isn't any balance. Your either rich or your not. It's already clear that the divide between us and those ahead of us is wider than ever. Were totally fucked if FFP is abused. In the meantime teams are attempting to use there advantages to produce lasting effects.

[alexander]

Meanwhile we find no takers for our dross. If this summer doesn't improve I fear I may be arrested and banned from the club following the action I feel I would take.

Im sure Milan and Madrid are jus looking at dumping Pirlo and Ronaldo to fit Denilson in.

The Denilson situation makes me laugh. End of season he or his agent come out with the `im a winner/champion im wanted by top team in Europe` (dont remember exactly) now its `i will be staying at Arsenal`. Thats because you are sodding shite you cretinous sideways passing non tracking back mong. What a friggin knobber.

(im not a Denilson fan btw)

[AKBapologist]

For all those who feel Clichy is easily replaceable, please read:
http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/06/football-blogs/debunking-myths-about-gael-clichy#blog_item_129623

[LDG]

Im sure Milan and Madrid are jus looking at dumping Pirlo and Ronaldo to fit Denilson in.

The Denilson situation makes me laugh. End of season he or his agent come out with the `im a winner/champion im wanted by top team in Europe` (dont remember exactly) now its `i will be staying at Arsenal`. Thats because you are sodding shite you cretinous sideways passing non tracking back mong. What a friggin knobber.

(im not a Denilson fan btw)

:haha:

[Darth Vela]

I have never suggested that -- let's clear that up first. I have asserted that there should be a balance in the club's approach to running the club. And that the austerity and so-called 'self-sustainble model' nonsense is impractical,pretty daft and lacks any real-world foresight -- and there is a balance to be had. And I have not seen any post on here by anyone suggesting that we splash cash like there is no tomorrow.

On the issue of nasri: selling him to the highest bidder regardless who they are and re-investing the money in the squad is the sensible option if he doesn't want to be here. That satisfies both financial and football sensibilities considering the situation we are in. I believe that is a balanced view and not the 'one or the other' shi*te that is so often characteristic of this board.

Fair enough, I believe balance is the way to go so I can't argue with that but selling one of our best players to a team that is ostensibly our rivals by far outweighs any potential gain we could get from the 20m imo. I guess I couldn't see any possible gain for the club in terms of football so assumed you were just being a hypocrite; I mistook you for one of the crazies, apologies.

[Darth Vela]

For all those who feel Clichy is easily replaceable, please read:
http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/06/football-blogs/debunking-myths-about-gael-clichy#blog_item_129623

There was a blog on 7amkickoff defending Clichy a while back as well, http://www.7amkickoff.com/page/3/ worth a read.

[AKBapologist]

Apparently Cahills move has been called off due to wage demands according to twitter.

[AKBapologist]

Also
http://t.co/QYjibfu

[Marc Overmars]

7m is a bit shit if we are flogging him to City.

Should make him sign an extension so we can cash in properly.

[Ironing]

7m is not good considering the player and the clubs involved

Won't be happy if true

[selassie]

7m is not good considering the player and the clubs involved

Won't be happy if true

The price doesn't surprise me entirely.

Gibbs will be Clichy's replacement as I don't think we'll be able to get a credible replacement for a decent price (in Arsene's eyes).

[Özim]

The price doesn't surprise me entirely.

Gibbs will be Clichy's replacement as I don't think we'll be able to get a credible replacement for a decent price (in Arsene's eyes).
Gibbs is AW perfect replacement anyway, can't defend, always injured...perfect fit really.

[Cripps_orig]

Gibbs is AW perfect replacement anyway, can't defend, always injured...perfect fit really.
Wouldnt say perfect but close to it.

For it to be perfect, Gibbs would have needed to be bought from France and be of African descent

[AKBapologist]

According to twitter, Lille and arsenal cant agree a fee for Gervinho, neither can we for or Alverez.

[Ironing]

Wouldnt say perfect but close to it.

For it to be perfect, Gibbs would have needed to be bought from France and be of African descent

He is of African descent

[AKBapologist]

The departure to Arsenal, Gervinho is currently still a player of the LOSC. If negotiations are still ongoing, Michel Seydoux, the president Lille, indicates that nothing is done on this issue:

"We know that the player wants to experience the Premier League. It's an open secret. The discussions are open. But in the face, they do not seem too eager. We. We will see over time. But honestly, you can rest easy this weekend. "
What the fuck is this club doing?

[Coney]

He is of African descent

All humans are of African decent. :good:

[Coney]

What the fuck is this club doing?

Negotiating, probably. When you want to buy something, you don't start by rushing in your knees offering everything you have.

[Injury Time]

According to twitter, Lille and arsenal cant agree a fee for Gervinho, neither can we for or Alverez.

Quelle surprise rodney :ilt:

[Joker]

Apparently Cahills move has been called off due to wage demands according to twitter.

FFS, that's all we need. We're content with paying substandard junk like Denilson and Bendtner a generous wage, but when it comes to a player who would substantially improve the squad and help rectify some of the glaring flaws in the team, we're unwilling to go the extra mile to get the player we need.

Absolutely pathetic.

[WengerISaLizard]

penny pinching again are we arsene?

even for relatively cheap players and unwanted players like Alvarez and Gervinho, this is a joke

[AKBapologist]

Negotiating, probably. When you want to buy something, you don't start by rushing in your knees offering everything you have.

Nah, it's not smart, it's not clever. To have any chance with the fixtures WE HAVE BEFORE THE TRANSFER WINDOW CLOSES. We need to have all our targets signed and settled before preseason. Were probably thinking that because they're free next year, we probably have the upperhand... I guess we can write off next season and another bunch of stars then?

[Toronto Gooner]

FFS, that's all we need. We're content with paying substandard junk like Denilson and Bendtner a generous wage, but when it comes to a player who would substantially improve the squad and help rectify some of the glaring flaws in the team, we're unwilling to go the extra mile to get the player we need.

Absolutely pathetic.
Aside from the fact that we do not have any independent verification that this is the problem, the question is not whether the club pays fringe players too much but how much was Cahill asking for? How far apart we they? Was he asking for 110,000 a week? Fabregas levels? Was he asking for van Persie levels?

[Joker]

I can see this summer being a repeat of January 2009, with us trying to get the price down as much as possible, hoping that the other side will eventually give in and accept a transfer fee significantly lower than their initial estimate. The problem with this tactic is that there is a huge risk of it failing, and us running out of time and unable to sign the players we want.

Our excessively parsimonious approach is going to prove to be our undoing, no doubt about it.

[Boss]

Talksport say Citeh are in for Nasri at 20M.

Flog Nasri + Clichy to them for around 40M, sell Fabregas for 40M and drop all of that on Neymar and Sanchez pls.

If dreams came true :pray:

[Cripps_orig]

Come on guys.

There are plenty of reasons to critisise Wenger and god knows he deserves it but lets not make stuff up to critisise him.

Theres no credible source who has said this other than some 14 year old kid on Twitter

[Joker]

Aside from the fact that we do not have any independent verification that this is the problem, the question is not whether the club pays fringe players too much but how much was Cahill asking for? How far apart we they? Was he asking for 110,000 a week? Fabregas levels? Was he asking for van Persie levels?

But past experience suggests that we are overly stingy, so there's every chance that Cahill's wage demands are reasonable, but we're just trying to save a few bob, despite this putting the whole deal at risk.

[AKBapologist]

Toronto gooner, i remember when we gave Sol campbell £140k a week, we paid Market value for top players wages and fees. We just don't seem to want to do this anymore and it's gaulling given the contribution fans are expected to make.

[Toronto Gooner]

But past experience suggests that we are overly stingy, so there's every chance that Cahill's wage demands are reasonable, but we're just trying to save a few bob, despite this putting the whole deal at risk.
Aside from the infamous 5,000, what other documented cases do we have?

Over and above that, do we really know that his salary demands are "reasonable". Anyone who wants 40,000 or 50,000 a week or more to kick a football is not being reasonable in all reality.

[AKBapologist]

From A-M


L'Équipe are reporting that talks between Lille and AFC over Gervinho have stalled again, with the fee said to be the sticking point.

[Toronto Gooner]

Toronto gooner, i remember when we gave Sol campbell £140k a week, we paid Market value for top players wages and fees. We just don't seem to want to do this anymore and it's gaulling given the contribution fans are expected to make.
The most I can recall Campbell getting was reportedly 100,000 a week, and that was in part because he came on a free with no signing bonus. Can you document the 140,000 a week. Besides Campbell was an established England international with around 40 appearances by the time he joined Arsenal. Cahill has played just 3 times and is already 25.

[AKBapologist]

Aside from the infamous 5,000, what other documented cases do we have?

Over and above that, do we really know that his salary demands are "reasonable". Anyone who wants 40,000 or 50,000 a week or more to kick a football is not being reasonable in all reality.
He probably wants a wage close to the current "market value". Whether it's a "reasonable" wage is irrelevant until the rules are changed.

This is yet another example of how were getting shafted by rich club overspending.

[budesonide]

Aside from the infamous 5,000, what other documented cases do we have?

Over and above that, do we really know that his salary demands are "reasonable". Anyone who wants 40,000 or 50,000 a week or more to kick a football is not being reasonable in all reality.

not if kicking the football can result in leg-break/serious injury that could 'paralyze' one for the rest of one's life.

if underground coal-miners could ask for those sums of money they would.

if you could, you would :)

[Joker]

He probably wants a wage close to the current "market value". Whether it's a "reasonable" wage is irrelevant until the rules are changed.

This is yet another example of how were getting shafted by rich club overspending.

We are still one of the most richest football clubs in the world, with healthy turnovers recorded every year. The fact that City and Chelsea have distorted the market doesn't mean we are unable to afford top quality players. The board tries to lay the blame on the door of sugar daddies, and while they have had a negative effect on the sport, the reason why we've not made the necessary signings recently is because we have a manager who has placed far too much trust in low quality young players, and a board who are content to see their share values rise up through commercial and property deals, unwilling to put any pressure on the manager to rectify the weaknesses in the squad because they only care about their bank balances.

[budesonide]

We are still one of the most richest football clubs in the world, with healthy turnovers recorded every year. The fact that City and Chelsea have distorted the market doesn't mean we are unable to afford top quality players. The board tries to lay the blame on the door of sugar daddies, and while they have had a negative effect on the sport, the reason why we've not made the necessary signings recently is because we have a manager who has placed far too much trust in low quality young players, and a board who are content to see their share values rise up through commercial and property deals, unwilling to put any pressure on the manager to rectify the weaknesses in the squad because they only care about their bank balances.

oh dear,here we go again --- a 1000 pages here we come! :run:

[AKBapologist]

The most I can recall Campbell getting was reportedly 100,000 a week, and that was in part because he came on a free with no signing bonus. Can you document the 140,000 a week. Besides Campbell was an established England international with around 40 appearances by the time he joined Arsenal. Cahill has played just 3 times and is already 25.
Look at it this way.

Who else in this transfer window would offer better value when all things considered?

Its a sellers Market, players have power. Were completely unable to accept this and would rather jeopardise the squad than be pragmatic in this slanted market.

[AKBapologist]

We are still one of the most richest football clubs in the world, with healthy turnovers recorded every year. The fact that City and Chelsea have distorted the market doesn't mean we are unable to afford top quality players. The board tries to lay the blame on the door of sugar daddies, and while they have had a negative effect on the sport, the reason why we've not made the necessary signings recently is because we have a manager who has placed far too much trust in low quality young players, and a board who are content to see their share values rise up through commercial and property deals, unwilling to put any pressure on the manager to rectify the weaknesses in the squad because they only care about their bank balances.

You've mistaken player sales and one off property developments as evidence that were rich.

Were not, the pure footballing side minus transfers, actually makes a loss(wages vs tv/matchday revenue and commercial deals). That's before we consider dept repayment.

[AKBapologist]

Clichy v Enrique Tackles 111-61, Duels won 58%-50%, Aerial Duels won 51%-32%, Blocks 8-9 Clearances 150-61, Interceptions 105-58

Whelp.

[Master Splinter]

Clichy v Enrique Tackles 111-61, Duels won 58%-50%, Aerial Duels won 51%-32%, Blocks 8-9 Clearances 150-61, Interceptions 105-58

Whelp.

No surprise that Ach wanted him :lol:.

An expected shocker from him.

[Marc Overmars]

What the fuck is this club doing?

They reportedly want 12m but the waiting game might suggest we are trying to knock a few mil off that. :rolleyes:

[selassie]

penny pinching again are we arsene?

even for relatively cheap players and unwanted players like Alvarez and Gervinho, this is a joke

Ve vill not pay a penny over zee players value.

[Boss]

15.44 Montpellier president Laurent Nicollin says centre-back Emir Spahic, who was strongly linked with Arsenal last summer, can leave."If we get an offer from abroad, we'll consider it but we won't let him go for less than €2 million," he said.

http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/

Wouldn't be surprised if we finally sign this pile of garbage.

[Flavs]

http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/

Wouldn't be surprised if we finally sign this pile of garbage.

Pile of garbage :lol:

[GP]

Pile of garbage :lol:

Pile of garbage = Never seen him play.

[WengerISaLizard]

http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/

Wouldn't be surprised if we finally sign this pile of garbage.

we will probably bid €1 million if anything and drag out negotiations till the transfer window closes

[Cripps_orig]

http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/

Wouldn't be surprised if we finally sign this pile of garbage.
:lol:

Another nobody like Kozza.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

:lol:

Another nobody like Kozza.

and for no less than 2 million euro - this could the fastest bit of transfer business weve done in ages.........FO

[alexander]

It drives me insane. Why do our negotiations take so long. What the hell to we do, contact by carrier pigeon? man u go in for a player, within a week, deal done.

[Kaiser]

Clichy v Enrique Tackles 111-61, Duels won 58%-50%, Aerial Duels won 51%-32%, Blocks 8-9 Clearances 150-61, Interceptions 105-58

Whelp.

That also shows how Clichy is targeted by the opposition, because of how exposed he is in our set-up. It means he's more involved in duels. Expect those stats to go down but his performances to be frequented with fewer brain farts in the Citeh defence.

[alexander]

http://blogs.soccernet.com/onthemove/

Wouldn't be surprised if we finally sign this pile of garbage.


and for no less than 2 million euro - this could the fastest bit of transfer business weve done in ages.........FO

oh christ no less than 2 mil. he is gonna be cack aint he.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

oh yes!

gives Ach another bullet in his click

[Kaiser]

Nasri to Citeh for £20m+ according to SSN, who insist they 'understand' the situation seven times in the past minute. For such a fee, we've done well from a horrific situation.

Clichy off there too according to 'Sky sources'.

[alexander]

twitter going mental with nasri to city for 20 mil. I hate that I am addicted to twitter. and arsenal.

[AKBapologist]

Breaking from SSN
Nasri very close to joining city for 20mill. He'll be on £180k a week.

Arsenal... City's feeder club.

[LDG]

:haha:

[alexander]

If we lose Nasri, Cesc and Clichy this summer, and keep Denilson, bendy and Almongia, I will pop

[AKBapologist]

Edit, both Clichy and Nasri for a combined £30 mill.

Almost enough for someone decent.

Arsenal the greatest club the world has ever seen ;(

[Cripps_orig]

So who at the club is ready to take Nasris place?

Arshavin back as first teamer?

We sure as hell wont be buying anyone

[LDG]

:haha: :haha:

[Joker]

If Cesc and Nasri go we shouldn't shed any tears for either of them tbh. Cesc has contributed to our stagnation with poor performances at important times over the last 2-3 seasons. As far as Nasri goes, he only ever performed for 3 months, and behaved like a big time Charlie by demanding a super new contract despite disappearing in the second half of last season.
It does say something though about the disillusionment that players at the club feel about Wenger's "project". Not being able to convince either Cesc or Nasri to stay shows that both players no longer have any faith in the manager, and what's to say the other players at the club (RVP, Sagna, Vermaelen, Walcott etc) have any more belief in his methods?
I'm not sad to see these two fairweather footballers leave, but finding top quality replacements is a MUST. Unfortunately I don't have much faith in Wenger's dealings in the transfer market anymore.

[WengerISaLizard]

Better City than United, he would be a massive player for united but just another money whore lesbian looking douche at City

20 million for someone who produced 4 months of magic, good business

but only if we re-invest properly.....:lol:

[AKBapologist]

@Spooky23 Good news for Arsenal if they sell him for £20M. Add £35M from selling Cesc to Barca, and Wenger will have at least £2M to spend on players.

Would be funny if it wasn't true. ;(

[Cripps_orig]

So will Clichy and Nasri be booed?

Dont really care if either goes.

Can City take Wenger as well? :pray:

[Joker]

So will Clichy and Nasri be booed?

Dont really care if either goes.

Can City take Wenger as well? :pray:

They're not important enough to boo tbh.

[Elche]

Arsene and the board are as bigger disgraces as Cesc and Nasri.

We have let our club become a trophyless, 4th place happy Club with no amibition. We have pandered these players and they shit on us. This club is in decline.

The money will be invested in a few 8 to 10 million Gervinho, Kosceilny type much of amuchness players..the odd Ox-Chamberlin type player and a kid or two.

I fear for us, I really do.

What a disaster. Money is only good if you go and get a Mata, or a Falcao etc....Arsene won't.

Shambolic.

[Cripps_orig]

They're not important enough to boo tbh.

Fair point but the crowd will need some entertainment during games seeing as the team will be doing the usual pass, pass, pass boring shit.

[Cripps_orig]

Arsene and the board are as bigger disgraces as Cesc and Nasri.

We have let our club become a trophyless, 4th place happy Club with no amibition. We have pandered these players and they shit on us. This club is in decline.

The money will be invested in a few 8 to 10 million Gervinho, Kosceilny type much of amuchness players..the odd Ox-Chamberlin type player and a kid or two.

I fear for us, I really do.

What a disaster. Money is only good if you go and get a Mata, or a Falcao etc....Arsene won't.

Shambolic.
:gp:

[Joker]

I hope we do our business early and don't quibble so much over the price that we fail to sign adequate replacements for Cesc and Nasri, therefore forced to start the season with a midfield of:

Walcott----Denilson----Song-----Diaby----Arshavin

[alexander]

I hope we do our business early and don't quibble so much over the price that we fail to sign adequate replacements for Cesc and Nasri, therefore forced to start the season with a midfield of:

Walcott----Denilson----Song-----Diaby----Arshavin

nooooooooooooooooooooo

[LDG]

:haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Nasri and Clichy BOTH off to City?

Oh fucking hell.

[LDG]

I am actually pissing myself laughing.

[Marc Overmars]

There's no doubt Cesc will want to do one now as well.

Oh boy Arsene, you've got a job on your hands this summer.

Fuck me.

[budesonide]

Nasri and Clichy BOTH off to City?

Oh fucking hell.


when you win nothing and it looks like you will win nothing you've got no bargaining power.

hell, even if you are winning there's no guarantee you can hold onto your key players -- look at tevez at city.

[WengerISaLizard]

I hope we do our business early and don't quibble so much over the price that we fail to sign adequate replacements for Cesc and Nasri, therefore forced to start the season with a midfield of:

Walcott----Denilson----Song-----Diaby----Arshavin

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmd0fg0bax1qc7xmj.gif

[budesonide]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmd0fg0bax1qc7xmj.gif

:haha:

[LDG]

There's no doubt Cesc will want to do one now as well.

Oh boy Arsene, you've got a job on your hands this summer.

Fuck me.

He had better have something big lined up, else he's just signed his own death warrant.

[Mr.Singh]

Oh my god........

[Marc Overmars]

We are not a big club anymore.

[AKBapologist]

http://t.co/mB0BIjs
There's the link for anyone interested.

[isv]

30 mill is great for 2 players that dont really want to be at the club, both players spent alot of time on the sidelines. Clichy hasnt really produced for the last couple of years, his best spell was when Cashley was at the club. Nasri as many have said had a decent 4months.

[Mr.Singh]

Wenger should just piss off with that slag rapper

[budesonide]

30 mill is great for 2 players that dont really want to be at the club, both players spent alot of time on the sidelines. Clichy hasnt really produced for the last couple of years, his best spell was when Cashley was at the club. Nasri as many have said had a decent 4months.

actually it is fantastic considering we would otherwise lose them on the free in just a year.

the problem i believe many have is whether the money will be appropriately topped up and re-invested in the squad. HISTORY POINTS TO A BIG NO; ahem

[Marc Overmars]

actually it is fantastic considering we would otherwise lose them on the free in just a year.

the problem i believe many have is whether the money will be appropriately toped up and re-invested in the squad. HISTORY POINTS TO A BIG NO; ahem

Every single penny we make needs to be spent this summer because we are looking at quite a hefty clear out.

It's exciting in a way because change is definitely afoot which is what we all wanted, I'm just concerned at consistently losing key assets and never seeing a significant reimbursement. Wenger has to spend and spend big now, there is no hiding place.

On another note, I bet City at least doubled our contract offer to Clichy and Nasri to something obscene. This sport is shit.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Every single penny we make needs to be spent this summer because we are looking at quite a hefty clear out.

It's exciting in a way because change is definitely afoot which is what we all wanted, I'm just concerned at consistently losing key assets and never seeing a significant reimbursement. Wenger has to spend and spend big now, there is no hiding place.

On another note, I bet City at least doubled our contract offer to Clichy and Nasri to something obscene. This sport is shit.

:gp:

time to see if Wenger has the minerals

he now will have a hell of a lot of money

Nas/Clichy - 27mil
Cesc - 40 mil (if we are lucky)

whatever we had to start over with and then what we get for some of the dross

80 mil perhaps.......will we spend it, have to because the time would have been basically laid bare

AW time to get ruthless

[Marc Overmars]

Don't forget the potential sales of Bendtner and Denilson which could bring in say, 15m or so. We could have the best part of 100m if what is seemingly expected to happen now goes through.

[Boss]

So... we're going to lose Nasri, Fabregas and Clichy this summer and sign Gervinho, Oxlade-C and Alvarez.

While keeping Denilson, Diaby, Almunia, Bendtner as no one wants them.

Sounds promising.

[Alias]

I hate Arsenal :(

[Cripps_orig]

Just seen a few Man City fans reactions on SSN for Nasri

"there are better players out there"
"Hasnt made much of an impact at Arsenal"
"good player"

Thats the reaction

Nasri :lol:

[Joker]

Just seen a few Man City fans reactions on SSN for Nasri

"there are better players out there"
"Hasnt made much of an impact at Arsenal"
"good player"

Thats the reaction

Nasri :lol:

They're spot on tbh. If we use the transfer funds to buy a really top quality player who will also perform when times are tough (unlike the coward Nasri) then selling him would have been a good decision.

[Alias]

They're spot on tbh. If we use the transfer funds to buy a really top quality player who will also perform when times are tough (unlike the coward Nasri) then selling him would have been a good decision.
hahaha AS IF we would replace him. Anyone wanting Nasri to go is deluded because we will NOT replace him and will undoubatbly be weaker. I'm so sick of this shit, we never hear anything positive with transfers.

[server too busy!]

Ah it all makes sense now, we're not announcing 3 signings tomorrow, we're announcing the sale of 3 of our major players. Honestly this is too much, fuck this shit! Anything short of Messi coming in and I'll be fucked off!

[Boss]

Nasri is a top quality player, perhaps he has a shit attitude or is played in the wrong system but talent wise he should be on the same level (tearing teams apart) as Ronaldo, Messi etc.

Wenger's proven he knows fuck all about getting the best out of our few players that do have the ability to push us toward the title.

[Grebbo]

Arsene Wenger is a fucking wanker.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I think we already have tje dosh for the CBs so could be time to stump up for Hazard or Mata make an offer they would be difficult to refuse

Benzema would be another

[Marc Overmars]

I think we already have tje dosh for the CBs so could be time to stump up for Hazard or Mata make an offer they would be difficult to refuse

Benzema would be another

They are the type of signings we need but whether we have the guts to go for them remains to be seen.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I guess two summers of not selling our best players was too much to ask.

[server too busy!]

I can take Cesc going, I can take Clichy going but Nasri as well takes the fucking ass shit! What are we going to play with Ramsey and Wilshere all season. Fucking Arshavin, Denilson etc should be going not these scrotums. Who could we replace them with that would hit the ground running with the same quality fucking Robbie Savage probably. This summer was make or break and to me it the worst nightmare. Top 4 is gone for a very long time.

[Cripps_orig]

Who are we kidding?

The money will go in to Wengers and the boards pockets and Nasris and Clichys replacements will be Connor Henderson and Gibbs.

We're fucked :(

[Joker]

I think a wholesale change at the club was needed tbh. The important thing is, as others have said, that we get proper replacements in, as well as supplement the squad with quality players, who can step in when needed and do a good job, unlike what Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner etc produced for us last season. However, the problem is that I have little faith in Wenger getting the transfers right, because the evidence in the last few years is that he's clueless in the market, relying on his tried and tested method of buying cheap, young unknown players from the French League. Well, this summer this method will not do.

[Mr.Singh]

Wenger is a prick

[Cripps_orig]

So Wengers biggest ever summer for Arsenal which followed our most humiliating season under him, we all thought he might see the light and add to the players we have already and get rid of the deadwood.

What seems to be happening is no one is added, no other clubs wants our deadwood and our first team players are going.

Only way Wenger can now redeem himself is to go out and get a big name signing. Id even go as far as saying that we need more than one big name.

Gervinho, Cahill, Samba and the other average players we have been linked with arent big names.

The clock is ticking for Wengers career.

[Grebbo]

Last summer was the biggest of Arsene's career and we ended up with no GK, Squid, Spak, and Kos - an absolute disaster.

This summer looks like it will be even worse.

Wenger is a disaster. He's fucking dangerous. Our top players are leaving a sinking ship.

I'm amazed there hasn't been a bid for RVP. He was on fire.... when he played.

[bagwan]

There is just never any let up as an Arsenal fan.

Will something nice please happen soon.

Gervinho, Cahill, Samba do not constitute nice.

I was pretty positive about next season, I also thought Wenger may have finally seen the light, was willing to spend, kill some of the shit players.

I just feel like Bill Murray again, and again.....

[Unai Tea]

I don't really give a shite about the wantaway raggamuffins. As soon as they leave the building they are dead to me. Don't care if Cesc and co piss away off to be honest.

If there's a combined £80-100m in transfer fees from the lot of them then great. As others have said, as long as we after removing the dead wood we replace them with new timber then fine. There are 2 months or so to find out if this is the case. I think we're all pretty skeptical based on the past 5-6 years and certainly from the period that we became less financially competitive when Chelsea changed the rules.

If with our £80m of ill-gotten gains we end up with the following, I'll be happy enough:

Cahill (£16-18m)
Gervinho (£10-12m)
Alvarez (£10-12m)
Oxlade-Chamberlain (£8-12m)
Diego or Mata (£15-20m)
Milosevic (£3-5m)
Random and decent striker (£10-20m)

That's £72m to £99m in players coming in.

That means we'd have at least a better defense than last year and better strikers and potentially a more direct midfield.

At the very least we'd have a fresh start with some malcontents and money-grubbers gone. That would be a breath of fresh air if nothing else.

If we don't spend all of the transfer fees we get (and then some) we're doomed.

[Sirjackofwilshere]

Not happy tbh

[Cripps_orig]

Furthermore, any possible replacements (I know i know, there wont be any and im just deluding myself) have to be made preferably before pre season or just after it starts so they can settle in asap.

Signing players after the season starts especially with the start we have wont wash.

[Power n Glory]

If this happens, Wenger will have to spend big on a couple of star players. This is shocking stuff. Unforgivable stuff. The Board and manager are a fucking disgrace!

[Unai Tea]

Yeah, more concerned with getting replacements in then players leaving. To paraphrase Brendan Behan, Fuck the leavers.

I think it's nonsense to pretend we need to buy Pastore, Sanchez and Neymar to make this transfer period productive. That would never happen so there's little point in pretending it will.

[Power n Glory]

Even with new players coming in, we've just set ourselves back two or three seasons. You can't lose three starting 11 players and expect the new team to gel. It just doesn't work like that. Especially if we're buying players that have never played in this league. City have a strong foundation to build upon and we're considering selling them two Prem ready experienced players. Utter madness. Can't be true. Hope it's not true.

[Unai Tea]

We were just as shite last year as we were 2-3 seasons ago so really, can't see how it makes any difference.

[Power n Glory]

You soon will if we go through with this. We've been bad but stayed at a certain level. We will drop a gear if we go through with this and the effect this will have on players like RVP, Arshavin and Walcott won't be good. We could actually end up dropping out of the top four.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We were just as shite last year as we were 2-3 seasons ago so really, can't see how it makes any difference.

That's an odd comment, it suggests that if you always keep the same 'better players' your team won't/can't improve?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

So has it been confirmed Nasri is going by anyone at Arsenal or is it more media BS.

If its true and he is going to city the Fuck him the Money grabbing cunt.

[Master Splinter]

On another note, I bet City at least doubled our contract offer to Clichy and Nasri to something obscene. This sport is shit.

Pretty much. It's not really a sport at all anymore.

You should convert full time to tennis tbh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Pretty much. It's not really a sport at all anymore.

You should convert full time to tennis tbh.

This. Football is a business now and Arsenal are one of the many Company's in it

[selassie]

I fear Arsene is making the same mistakes as what he did in 07/08 when he decimated Central Midfield.

I give up really...I've got absolutely no faith in Arsene to turn any of this around, I'm done with him.

[Power n Glory]

I fear Arsene is making the same mistakes as what he did in 07/08 when he decimated Central Midfield.

I give up really...I've got absolutely no faith in Arsene to turn any of this around, I'm done with him.

It's a cut and paste job. We went on to have a terrible season after that. The morale was rock bottom after that season. Players were fighting each other.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I fear Arsene is making the same mistakes as what he did in 07/08 when he decimated Central Midfield.

I give up really...I've got absolutely no faith in Arsene to turn any of this around, I'm done with him.

Yep he'll put jack and Ramsey there with diaby and Denilson (watch aw pesuade him to stay)

Who said Project youth is dead lol

[BOBN]

That's £72m to £99m in players coming in.

That means we'd have at least a better defense than last year and better strikers and potentially a more direct midfield.

At the very least we'd have a fresh start with some malcontents and money-grubbers gone. That would be a breath of fresh air if nothing else.

simples. alot of arsenal fans these days seem to feign indignance. all season bleating on about how everythng was so stale, youth project flawed, shake-up needed etc

well here it is and people are crying!

nasri is a fraud. a nothing player. always said he was overrated, always. 20m from city is great money for him. we were not going to win anything relying on him.

fabregas is the crown jewel of the post 05 yoof project. if he goes the pretence that it could ever work is over. wenger is forced to chance, no other option. moreover, we are not utilising cesc to his maximum. hes nothing special in the AM positition really, and the 08/09 season exposed him as not having the defensive game to play as a true centre mid in this league. get rid.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

nasri is a fraud. a nothing player. always said he was overrated, always. 20m from city is great money for him. we were not going to win anything relying on him.

fabregas is the crown jewel of the post 05 yoof project. if he goes the pretence that it could ever work is over. wenger is forced to chance, no other option. moreover, we are not utilising cesc to his maximum. hes nothing special in the AM positition really, and the 08/09 season exposed him as not having the defensive game to play as a true centre mid in this league. get rid.

This, Think were strating to see the Nasri Gallas warned us about. The Selfish twat who only cares for himself. He has no respect for Wenger which clearly is showing now lets hope if he goes we try and fighr for a good fee for him.

[Power n Glory]

And you think the current players we're linked with is a start to this 'revolution'?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Ah it all makes sense now, we're not announcing 3 signings tomorrow, we're announcing the sale of 3 of our major players. Honestly this is too much, fuck this shit! Anything short of Messi coming in and I'll be fucked off!

Mata/Hazard and Falcao please

[BOBN]

And you think the current players we're linked with is a start to this 'revolution'?
gervinho is better than nasri.

mata is also a good player who can join in like nasri but is prepared to consistently attack defenses unlike that nasri. a left foot too which would be useful.

vidal is a dynamic defensive-minded midfelder. a flamini who can play football. he can come in and help solidify the midfield. united have shown championships are not necessarily won in centre mid...lets get back to basics in that area. fuck cesc off. lets make sure number one we are hard to beat.

[Unai Tea]

That's an odd comment, it suggests that if you always keep the same 'better players' your team won't/can't improve?

That was meant tongue in cheek obviously but the point is that if losing Cesc, Nasri and Clichy results in us being set back 2-3 years of our 'progression', it makes little difference as our 'progression' is pretty much flat. Have we shown remarkable or even noticeable progress in the last few years? I don't think so. Maybe Cesc, Nasri and Clichy have been all that have been keeping us in the top 4 but I don't really think that's true. Wilshere is the new Cesc and to be honest, it's an improvement - maybe not in pure footballing class but (IMHO) certainly in spirit, directness and aggresiveness. Nasri is a massively talented footballer but is he a winner? He's oft-injured and not completely dependable when it matters. If he stays, fine. But he will not be the engine of our success. He might be one of several spark plugs but spark plugs can be replaced. And Clichy does as much harm as he does good.

Look, if all three of these guys were deeply committed to winning with Arsenal and were being sold against their wishes I'd be seriously depressed. But they want to go and they are replaceable. Whether they are appropriately replaced is the question at the fore front of my mind.

[Cripps_orig]

gervinho is better than nasri.

:blink:

I know fans are pissed at Nasri but come on, a nobody better than Nasri?

[selassie]

gervinho is better than nasri.



:haha: :haha: :haha:

[Marc Overmars]

To be honest I think BOBN is right, these are the players who have shaped this flawed Arsenal side. A change away from that direction is a gamble but one we probably have to take. I think many are just surprised shits going down already.

The question of whether Wenger spends enough on the right players is up for debate but ultimately only time will tell.

Interesting times ahead. :popcorn:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

:haha: :haha: :haha:

:haha::haha:

[Sirjackofwilshere]

I think the constant negativity has got to some ppls heads. Can't blame the poor sods.

Arsenal :rose:

[Olivier's xmas twist]

To be honest I think BOBN is right, these are the players who have shaped this flawed Arsenal side. A change away from that direction is a gamble but one we probably have to take. I think many are just surprised shits going down already.

The question of whether Wenger spends enough on the right players is up for debate but ultimately only time will tell.

Interesting times ahead. :popcorn:

This, AW must have some replacements lined up if he is going the let stars go, he knows he can't keep repating the cycle otherwise he looks like a muppet who has gone back on his word. Fans really will go for him.

[Marc Overmars]

So is there actually a press conference tomorrow?

[Cripps_orig]

So is there actually a press conference tomorrow?
7pm

[GP]

gervinho is better than nasri..

You're either on Meth, or you have downs.

I suspect it's a little of both.

[BOBN]

:blink:

I know fans are pissed at Nasri but come on, a nobody better than Nasri?

:haha: :haha: :haha:
have you seen gervinho play football. yes or no?

im not saying hes a absolute world-beater, not yet anyway. but hes just better than the nasri weve seen over the last 3 years. im not talking about at being tippy-tappy btw (sorry football snobs), im talking about actually contributing to a winning side

[Cripps_orig]

Yes and hes average at best.

Nasri pisses on him and pisses on him comfortably

[Power n Glory]

gervinho is better than nasri.

mata is also a good player who can join in like nasri but is prepared to consistently attack defenses unlike that nasri. a left foot too which would be useful.

vidal is a dynamic defensive-minded midfelder. a flamini who can play football. he can come in and help solidify the midfield. united have shown championships are not necessarily won in centre mid...lets get back to basics in that area. fuck cesc off. lets make sure number one we are hard to beat.

Wenger can't teach basics. We'll still be playing this tippy tappy bastardised version of something that is supposed to resemble Total Football. We have ripped up the script 3 times already. We have gone through major changes since losing Paddy and the results haven't changed.

Go compare the three teams we've built over the past 6 years. The captain Henry phase, the Captain Gallas phase and the Captain Cesc phase.

The first team looks different in all of them but the hallmark crash and burn syndrome has been there through all three teams. It's the manager and his philosophy that's the problem. None of those teams could defend or hold it together when it was crunch time. How is that possible?

[BOBN]

To be honest I think BOBN is right, these are the players who have shaped this flawed Arsenal side. A change away from that direction is a gamble but one we probably have to take. I think many are just surprised shits going down already.
people are scared of losing players who have won nothing, I dont get it. its not like you can win less then nothing is it? footy fans are scared of their own shadows tbh.

[Marc Overmars]

people are scared of losing players who have won nothing, I dont get it. its not like you can win less then nothing is it? footy fans are scared of their own shadows tbh.

I think it's like a loveless marriage.

[selassie]

have you seen gervinho play football. yes or no?

im not saying hes a absolute world-beater, not yet anyway. but hes just better than the nasri weve seen over the last 3 years. im not talking about at being tippy-tappy btw (sorry football snobs), im talking about actually contributing to a winning side

Yes I've seen him a few times for Lille & Ivory Coast, he's a good player, but he's not at Nasri's level yet, nowhere near.

[Power n Glory]

have you seen gervinho play football. yes or no?

im not saying hes a absolute world-beater, not yet anyway. but hes just better than the nasri weve seen over the last 3 years. im not talking about at being tippy-tappy btw (sorry football snobs), im talking about actually contributing to a winning side

I'll give you that one. I don't think Nasri is rubbish, but a more direct player even if less talented in certain areas can be more effective. I think Theo is our deadliest winger because he has a simple and direct task. That can be more effective than someone that drifts all over the place and has no single purpose. Not impressed with what I've seen from Gervinho but I haven't seen enough to totally write him off.

[BOBN]

Yes and hes average at best.

Nasri pisses on him and pisses on him comfortably
lets wait and see then.

and im not talking about on some airy-fairy never-never...by january 1st this will be established fact tbh

[Cripps_orig]

Thats even if we get Gervinho.

We have been a "few days away" from getting him for like a month now

[BOBN]

I'll give you that one. I don't think Nasri is rubbish, but a more direct player even if less talented in certain areas can be more effective. I think Theo is our deadliest winger because he has a simple and direct task. That can be more effective than someone that drifts all over the place and has no single purpose. Not impressed with what I've seen from Gervinho but I haven't seen enough to totally write him off.
tbf im cheating a bit cos since january nasri has what 1 goal 0 assists?

gervinho has to do little more than run at defenders and he'll be a more useful player.

[Tipsychubbs]

lets make sure number one we are hard to beat.

That's what Mancini has done, and they were accused of being boring, but finished ahead of us and won a trophy. You need solidarity before you can play the pretty stuff, its common sense, but Wenger is too far up his own backside and thinks endless attacking play will always win out.

What use is attractive football if you can't even defend set pieces, bread and butter stuff or be organized well enough to defend as a team all over the pitch?

[Cripps_orig]

tbf im cheating a bit cos since january nasri has what 1 goal 0 assists?

gervinho has to do little more than run at defenders and he'll be a more useful player.

If he finishes first in the PFA awards then hes better than Nasri.

[BOBN]

If he finishes first in the PFA awards then hes better than Nasri.
combined goals and assists.

deal?

[BOBN]

That's what Mancini has done, and they were accused of being boring, but finished ahead of us and won a trophy. You need solidarity before you can play the pretty stuff, its common sense, but Wenger is too far up his own backside and thinks endless attacking play will always win out.

What use is attractive football if you can't even defend set pieces, bread and butter stuff or be organized well enough to defend as a team all over the pitch?

agreed. the medias tears for mark hughes hadnt even dried yet and he already had the defence conceeding half the number of goals. literally took weeks.

but our wenger doesnt do defence.

[Unai Tea]

I'm not sure a direct comparison between Gervinho and Nasri is really the thing. The one would not be, I hope, a direct replacement for the other. If there's a comparison it should be with Walcott and that's more or less the role Gervinho would play. Nasri isn't really a winger-striker type player but more of a central attacking midfielder played out wide from time to time. If Nasri (and Cesc) go we'd need to replace them with a simialr type player - although the emergence of Wilshere already helps. And if the said replacement is moderately durable you could replace both Cesc and Nasri with a single player.

[Power n Glory]

agreed. the medias tears for mark hughes hadnt even dried yet and he already had the defence conceeding half the number of goals. literally took weeks.

but our wenger doesnt do defence.

That's what I mean. Wenger can't sort out the defence and he coaches pass pass pass which kills a dribblers game. Nasri can actually dribble. Hleb could also dribble when he arrived. Some how it gets coached out of them.

[Unai Tea]

Reports may suggest that Cesc Fabregas, Samir Nasri and Gael Clichy are set to leave Arsenal this summer, but Tomas Rosicky wants to stay at Emirates Stadium.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_7012219,00.html

Great.

[Marc Overmars]

Rosicky. :haha:

[Cripps_orig]

That's what I mean. Wenger can't sort out the defence and he coaches pass pass pass which kills a dribblers game. Nasri can actually dribble. Hleb could also dribble when he arrived. Some how it gets coached out of them.
They are infected with Wengeritis

[Mr. Lahey]

I dont blame Nasri or Cesc for wanting to leave one bit. Who would want to resign another contract when they know that Arsene will throw their asses out of the club as soon as they are 29?? Everyone wants our players to be loyal but I dunno how they can possibly do that when we have such absurd policies in place.

If Nasri and Cesc stay and the club invests in 1 or 2 big signings this team would walk the league. I dont understand why a club whose as big as ours fails to see this.

[Power n Glory]

I dont blame Nasri or Cesc for wanting to leave one bit. Who would want to resign another contract when they know that Arsene will throw their asses out of the club as soon as they are 29?? Everyone wants our players to be loyal but I dunno how they can possibly do that when we have such absurd policies in place.

If Nasri and Cesc stay and the club invests in 1 or 2 big signings this team would walk the league. I dont understand why a club whose as big as ours fails to see this.

I won't forget the way this club treated Dennis Bergkamp in his last few years. One summer he didn't know whether to return to Holland or stay in London. He didn't know if he had played his last game in the Arsenal shirt. Shameful.

[Mr. Lahey]

I won't forget the way this club treated Dennis Bergkamp in his last few years. One summer he didn't know whether to return to Holland or stay in London. He didn't know if he had played his last game in the Arsenal shirt. Shameful.

agreed especially when it comes to players who gave the club everything they had....Bergie, Bobby, Freddie etc...

If we sell 2 of our best 3 players this summer and we bring in the likes of Gervihno, Alvarez and Jagielka than I will not tune into one match next year. Thats how fed up I am with whats going on at the club.

[Power n Glory]

The club is really pushing it. I feel the same way. Was looking forwards to going to the Emirates until today. Feels like these guys are taking the piss.

[Unai Tea]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/30/manchester-city-gael-clichy-samir-nasri


• £7m fee agreed with Arsenal for Gaël Clichy
• No high-level talks concerning Samir Nasri

[alexander]

250 pages in this transfer bollocks thread. One player signed for 1mil. Pretty sad tbh

[Keith]

I'll happily wave Clichy & Denilson out the door.

Cesc - His back heel against Barcelona and I can't remember anything later in the season. It's time for him to go.

Nasri - I think will stay and play the Cesc role.

[AKBapologist]

It really isn't hard to do what mancini and fergie does against us... 3DM's? Or 7 Defenders?

Difference between them and us is that they know how to quickly turn defence into attack, there wing play is better and there strikers are more potent. Less stupid mistakes? Not really. Seen Evra, Vidic and Kompany have shockers. Think, when did we ever go from 2 nill down to come back? Could you ever rely on Chamakh and co to tip tap it into the goal?

People always talk about mental toughness this, and defence that - but when you know that don't need your entire midfield, wingbacks and maybe a center back on the edge of the box to score it makes a big fucking difference.

[Aaron Wilshere]

This could end up being a hideous summer - I can see it now:

Cesc, Nasri and Clichy go

Denilson, Rosicky, Bendy all stay with Gibbs promoted to LB :shudders:

Rosicky is the one that really irks me - he may be a nice bloke, but we owe him no favours. The occasional times he makes it onto the pitch he is useless, and is undoubtedly on high wages.

Why aren't we moving shite like this on?!

[milla]

Yes and hes average at best.

Nasri pisses on him and pisses on him comfortably

:gp:

Two different type of players, but in general Nasri pisses all over Gervinho.

[Boss]

:gp:

Two different type of players, but in general Nasri pisses all over Gervinho.

:good:

And with Nasri moving to a club with some proper coaching and Gervinho coming to us, this gap will only increase.