Fabregas goes to Barca for £35million

[Niall_Quinn]

I guess Paxman is a real pro, thinking about it, I'd quite like to see that too :d

Wenger would probably claim he doesn't speak English.

[Power n Glory]

True lol,But just don't listen to the man PnG I just can't mate if i did id want to punch him, just best to switch over when he talks.

He runs my club. Key decisions like this regarding the clubs future, you can't switch off. I want him gone. I shouldn't have to tune out when my manager is talking.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

It amazes me, Barca say they have no money, spend millions on that Sanchez guy (thus effectively laughing in our faces) then still manage to get Cesc on the cheap...truly astounding.

They screwed the club over almost as much as the club screws over the fans.

Should have just sold him at the beginning of the summer then spent the money wisely.

Yep and every time more details come out it gets worse and worse they seen to have fecked us over even more

[Niall_Quinn]

It amazes me, Barca say they have no money, spend millions on that Sanchez guy (thus effectively laughing in our faces) then still manage to get Cesc on the cheap...truly astounding.

They screwed the club over almost as much as the club screws over the fans.

Should have just sold him at the beginning of the summer then spent the money wisely.

Look, in the end this is what Cesc wanted, what else could we do? The player must come first.

[Darth Vela]

Wenger would probably claim he doesn't speak English.

I hope he would then demand Eboue as an interpreter, that would truly be the greatest Newsnight ever.

[RomfordPele]

Source?

That's probably right as well, considering the 29m + add ons is in Euros.

It's all over twitter. Yep, 29m + 10m euros = c.£34m

To be fair, it's Rosell so he'll naturally talk down the fee, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Should have done the deal in June or told Barcelona to fuck off in June. Absolutely crazy it's come to this.

[Darth Vela]

I dunno, I'd think it would be in Barca's advantage to make the fee seem bigger in a kind of 'look how much money we've got, big signing' yadda yadda, it's what I'd do anyway.

[Marc Overmars]

It's all over twitter. Yep, 29m + 10m euros = c.£34m

To be fair, it's Rosell so he'll naturally talk down the fee, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. Should have done the deal in June or told Barcelona to fuck off in June. Absolutely crazy it's come to this.

Barca have pulled a fast one on us and fair play to them to be honest from a business sense. They didn't want to pay 40m and were incredibly stubborn throughout the saga and now they have their man for the price they were always looking for.

[Elreactor]

Gets worse. Sandro Rosell saying the fee is £25.3m upfront plus £8.7 add-ons for trophies, appearances etc. Farcical.

Gazidis should resign if true.

What the fucking hell are you talking about mate!! Fuck it Wenger you miserable S O B

[RomfordPele]

Barca have pulled a fast one on us and fair play to them to be honest from a business sense. They didn't want to pay 40m and were incredibly stubborn throughout the saga and now they have their man for the price they were always looking for.

So we totally bottled it in the boardroom as well as on the pitch. Great.

[Elreactor]

So this club is not good on business terms either. First it decays football-wise, now it´s not even a good enterprise. Everyone if fucking everything up, both squad and profit making.

The Emirates stadium should be empty for the season, just as a sign from those of you who usually go there and put part of your daily efforts on it.

This is laughable.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Barca have pulled a fast one on us and fair play to them to be honest from a business sense. They didn't want to pay 40m and were incredibly stubborn throughout the saga and now they have their man for the price they were always looking for.

Nope Barca Put Pressure on us and as usual we bottled in the the last minuite, when We should have had the game sorted long time ago. No Wonder why the mentality of the players are weak when the Manager and the Board Menatily is week and seem to give up and soon as pressure is applied heavy.

[Marc Overmars]

Nope Barca Put Pressure on us and as usual we bottled in the the last minuite, when We should have had the game sorted long time ago. No Wonder why the mentality of the players are weak when the Manager and the Board Menatily is week and seem to give up and soon as pressure is applied heavy.

I never really bought the notion that we held all the aces in this deal. We might have been telling them to pay what we want or fuck off (which was the right thing to do) but it looked like they were doing exactly the same to us, by saying we don't think he's worth anymore than x amount and refusing to budge from there. They knew if this deal didn't happen they would have been able to move on no problem, which couldn't be said for us. At the end of the day we had a player who desperately wanted to go to this club and the situation became untenable for us. Yes he had a contract here but there is really not much point in keeping a player who has no interest in playing for the team anymore.

If we were dealing with any other top club we would have hit our 40m no problem. It's because Barca think they had a divine right to get him, like he was theirs anyway, so they were adamant the deal would be done on their teams. Utterly cuntish but there you go.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I never really bought the notion that we held all the aces in this deal. We might have been telling them to pay what we want or fuck off (which was the right thing to do) but it looked like they were doing exactly the same to us, by saying we don't think he's worth anymore than x amount and refusing to budge from there. They knew if this deal didn't happen they would have been able to move on no problem, which couldn't be said for us. At the end of the day we had a player who desperately wanted to go to this club and the situation became untenable for us. Yes he had a contract here but there is really not much point in keeping a player who has no interest in playing for the team anymore.

If we were dealing with any other top club we would have hit our 40m no problem. It's because Barca think they had a divine right to get him, like he was theirs anyway, so they were adamant the deal would be done on their teams. Utterly cuntish but there you go.

Barca belived because we took the 2 younng spanish boys that 35 was enough, Maybe thesee to will be world class in 5 years then we have the same problems again.

Hope we don't buy any more barca cunts after this.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think they were nearly as relaxed about getting him as they were making out. Barcelona's going mad at the prospect of his arrival, there are crowds waiting at the airport apparently. This is big news at their end, the best possible replacement for Xavi and the future of the club for the next 5-7 years. Anyway, £35mill, £40mill, it's not like it's going on players for the team so in the end it makes little odds. Other than to confirm we aren't much good at anything these days. A stark contrast to the horrible rip-off we inflicted on City for the Adebaywhore deal. Let's hope we don't let Nasri go on the cheap because Mancini sounds like he's ready to splash the cash to get his latest mercenary.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

£25m up front with £8m variables

fucking shocking. steal of the century.

[Elreactor]

So it´s not even enough to get Mata, if Wenger wanted. Not even twice the price paid for Oxlade-Who?-Chamberlain.

Incredibile.

[Master Splinter]

We've made a shitload off Barca over the years. They're our Abramovich really. With most of the money going towards the stadium/debts instead of transfers though.

We bought Cesc for about 60p and sold him for around £35m.

We should have got more, but they basically paid a £35m ransom. We did kidnap him after all.

They also paid double figures for Hleb :haha:.

[Master Splinter]

If we're being honest, Cesc has been extremely inconsistent over the last three seasons. In 08/09, he was injured for a long period in the new year, forcing us to rely on Denilson and Song in midfield for about three months. When he returned he failed in the big games, like Man Utd in the UCL semi final. In the more physical encounters against teams like Stoke, he disappeared and yet some supporters were blaming Denilson, claiming Cesc was being held back by Denilson's ineptitude.

In 09/10 he was admittedly very good for about 4 months at the start, but again flattered to deceive when it really mattered from March onwards. Our record against the other top 4 teams was shocking, and again our talisman didn't lead by example in those crunch six pointer matches. He again suffered several injuries during this season.

Last season was dreadful, and I genuinely think he didn't give a 100% for us during many matches. Not only did he miss a large chunk of the season through "injury", but when he did play he definitely wasn't leading by example as a captain should. The moment which summed his season up was that casual flick which saw us concede the first goal against Barca, and the way he was totally overwhelmed against Barca's midfield three throughout the second leg.

All in all, I won't be sad to see him go. When he arrived on the scene in 04-05, he was a very exciting player and you could sense that he would go on to become a top player (although weaknesses were evident even back then) He was excellent leading our charge to the UCL final in 05-06, although this covered up some suspect domestic performances that season (especially away from home) His performances in 07-08 rightly received praise, even though his form fell away in the second half of the season, coinciding with our end of season collapse.

Over the 8 years, he's been an inconsistent performer if we're being honest, and although he's obviously a talented player, if he doesn't iron out the flaws in his game, they will be exposed playing in Barca's midfield and he'll have to be content with a place on the bench.

When it comes to his character, well his behaviour this summer (and his performances last season) has lowered my opinion of him as a person tbh.

Sums it up perfectly.

Close this thread now tbh.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Sums it up perfectly.

Close this thread now tbh.

This lol,

Why is it these twats on sky sports go on like its the 1st time he's gone back to barca in 7 years, he goes back every summer.

[KSE Comedy Club]

They have set his buyout clause at £130m.

Sums up how shit the fee we got for him was.

[Marc Overmars]

He's speaking to the press at 1.

[Kano]

They have set his buyout clause at £130m.

Sums up how shit the fee we got for him was.

no it doesnt

[LDG]

The fee in terms of these other stupid amounts, like 35m for Carroll is low. But in terms of "normal" fees it's not too far off the mark.

We can get 2 or 3 quality players with that money alone.

I think his hamstrings are fucked anyway.

[KSE Comedy Club]

no it doesnt

Yes it does.

All the barca comments about how he is worth only £25m or less, etc, was all bullshit. They knew full well he was worth in excess of £60m and the buy out clause they have sapped on him for double that amount proves it.

£35m we got for someone who is suddenly know worth £130m?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

They have set his buyout clause at £130m.

Sums up how shit the fee we got for him was.

They have to put buyout clauses in by law, in Spain. Plus it's not likely he'll leave Barcelona really.

[Kano]

Yes it does.

All the barca comments about how he is worth only £25m or less, etc, was all bullshit. They knew full well he was worth in excess of £60m and the buy out clause they have sapped on him for double that amount proves it.

£35m we got for someone who is suddenly know worth £130m?

nope. it has everything to do with ensuring they do not have to go through this sort of saga again where they lost a young player and had to pay to get him back. exactly the reason they set out clauses in the contract of the player that just joined chelsea.

it's an arbitrary figure.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

Sods law says he will fail his medical cos of his dodgy hammys and the deal is off!

[Keith]

Sods law says he will fail his medical cos of his dodgy hammys and the deal is off!

Not many deals fail on medicals.

Kieron Dyer moves quite often and Woodgate has found many a club!

[GP]

They have set his buyout clause at £130m.

Sums up how shit the fee we got for him was.

Don't fall for the Barca propaganda. They will want to make out they got him on the cheap, and slap a huge price on his head just to underline how much they 'won'

We got a pretty good deal, all things considered.

[Letters]

They could set a buyout clause of one billion dollars :DrEvil:
Doesn't mean he's worth that.
We had a player who wanted to go and who would only go to one club. If we'd been able to spark a bidding war we'd have got more but we couldn't.
We could have kept him but next year we'd have gone through all this again with one year less on his contract and a weaker position.
We did OK.

[Boss]

Spanish buyout clauses always are way overvalued, mainly for the papers tbh.

We only did 'OK' out of this if we reinvest, otherwise we'll struggle.

[Letters]

We only did 'OK' out of this if we reinvest, otherwise we'll struggle.

That. The lack of creativity was worrying on Saturday. Wilshere can give us some of that but with Cesc going we need more.
Strangely it was defensively where we looked pretty solid on Saturday and going forward where we looked clueless.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Nasri goes too then to have done well out of this we'll need to be spending £50mill in the next couple of weeks. Dream on. We git arse-raped, no point trying to put a brave face on it just take the shafting for what it is, the fans and the club being fucked over again by greedy, incompetent cunts in the boardroom. This Jadson bloke for £12mill (provided we don't bid £10) and some second tier bloke called Dann for £6mill. Great business if you're an Arsenal director but will make fuck all difference on the pitch.

[Cripps_orig]

Cunt press conference soon. Would love to hear the BS he spouts about Arsenal and the fans. Heard it all before with Henry. Will the cunt be truthful and tell the world he didn't give a fuck about Arsenal and the fans or will he be a coward and say he loves us blah blah blah?Hope Wenger is watching the unveiling and it hurts the twat. Cesc was the poster boy of Project Youth and with his departure, its been confirmed as a failure. All Wenger can do now is spend the money on world class players and leave a good squad for th next manager. Do that and Wenger might leave with a little respect. His legacy has already been destroyed

[IBK]

Cunt press conference soon. Would love to hear the BS he spouts about Arsenal and the fans. Heard it all before with Henry. Will the cunt be truthful and tell the world he didn't give a fuck about Arsenal and the fans or will he be a coward and say he loves us blah blah blah?Hope Wenger is watching the unveiling and it hurts the twat. Cesc was the poster boy of Project Youth and with his departure, its been confirmed as a failure. All Wenger can do now is spend the money on world class players and leave a good squad for th next manager. Do that and Wenger might leave with a little respect. His legacy has already been destroyed

Like Jadson and Dann.

[Niall_Quinn]

All very low key, just the odd press conference going out to the world, a media frenzy and 30,000 people turning up at the stadium to see him shake hands. All in keeping with a player they were only mildly keen in signing. Looks like we got a great deal on the fee after all.

You have to laugh at the people who said we got fucked over big time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Like Jadson and Dann.

Much better than Mata and Cahill, mainly because they are much cheaper which is all that counts. Another very profitable transfer window.

For the board.

[KSE Comedy Club]

All very low key, just the odd press conference going out to the world, a media frenzy and 30,000 people turning up at the stadium to see him shake hands. All in keeping with a player they were only mildly keen in signing. Looks like we got a great deal on the fee after all.

You have to laugh at the people who said we got fucked over big time.

Yeh, :lol: at all those know nothing, media led idiots!

We got a cracking deal, we all know he was only worth £10m, and we were in a very weak selling position with him only having 4 years left on his contract.

We should be laughing all the way to the bank.

[Niall_Quinn]

Final deal was £25mill and buyout clause is £175mill. As people say, the buyout clause doesn't indicate anything at all. Most players have a £175mill buyout clause - except Fabregas when he left us of course.

[Niall_Quinn]

This player they didn't want and who will spend all his time on the bench has been given the #4 shirt, even though it was already allocated. Not sure why they bought him at all, obviously they don't want him there.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Cesc Fabregas is officially a Barcelona player after signing a five-year contract with the European champions.
The former Arsenal captain, 24, was paraded in front of 30,000 Barca fans in the Nou Camp after passing two medicals on Monday.
Arsenal will receive a guaranteed £30m transfer fee, with a further £5m dependent on the number of games played and trophies won.
The buy-out clause in the midfielder's contract is 200m euros.
The World Cup winner, who returns to the club he left as a 16-year-old in 2003, will wear the number four shirt.
According to the Barcelona website, Fabregas passed the medicals with ease.
"All the tests taken have been satisfactory," said Barcelona first-team doctor Ricard Pruna, who said Fabregas "can be integrated into training without any problem".
The finalisation of the Fabregas deal brings to an end one of the most protracted transfer sagas in recent football history.
"We have lost a world-class player," said Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger on Monday. "We are sad about it because we tried to keep him."
News of a deal to take Fabregas back to Spain was confirmed at half-time of the first leg of Barcelona's Spanish Super Cup match against Real Madrid on Sunday, which ended 2-2.
Commenting on what he described as "very tough" negotiations, Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola said Fabregas had benefited greatly from his time at Arsenal, adding: "Cesc grew up with Barcelona but he became a huge player thanks to Wenger and Arsenal."
Fabregas trained with his Arsenal team-mates for the final time on Friday morning and was not part of Wenger's squad for Saturday's Premier League opener against Newcastle, which finished 0-0. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14429552.stm)
He had missed the club's summer tour of Asia as well as other pre-season games, including the Emirates Cup, because of a hamstring injury.
The Spaniard, who has 58 caps for his country, made 303 appearances for the Gunners during his eight-year spell in north London, scoring 57 goals in all competitions.
In October 2003, he became Arsenal's youngest first-team player when he made his debut against Rotherham United in the Carling Cup aged 16 years and 177 days.
He also became the club's youngest goalscorer when he netted against Wolves in a 5-1 win that December.
Fabregas was part of the Arsenal team that beat Manchester United on penalties to win the 2005 FA Cup, which turned out to be his only major trophy with the Gunners.
He went on to become Arsenal captain in November 2008.
Striker Robin van Persie is likely to take over as the new permanent Arsenal skipper, although he will be suspended for the Champions League qualifier against Udinese on Tuesday after being shown a red card against Barcelona in the Champions League last season.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14482418.stm

[Niall_Quinn]

Striker Robin van Persie is likely to take over as the new permanent Arsenal skipper

Bye Robin, oh well.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

They have set his buyout clause at £130m.

Sums up how shit the fee we got for him was.


Barcelona reveal that Cesc Fabregas has a 200m euro (£175m) buy-out clause in his newly-signed five-year contract with the club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/9564751.stm


Cesc Fabregas on Arsene Wenger: "I'll never have enough words to thank him for all he's done for me. I'll never forget him. I don't think he has such a good image here, he has been portrayed as something he's not, in my opinion. I can't express my admiration for him strongly enough, I owe it to him that I am here."

[KSE Comedy Club]

Analysis: Dan Roan,
BBC sports news correspondent

Arsenal have lost one of their most talented ever players, but Fabregas's departure will provoke as much relief as it does disappointment among the club's fans. The way he and Barcelona bullied Arsenal into submission reflected poorly on both. Arsenal deserved better and it is now time for them to move on. Finding a replacement for Fabregas (and soon Samir Nasri) will not be easy, and one wonders how much damage this saga has done to Arsene Wenger's motivation

Pretty much.

[IBK]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/9564751.stm

I owe it to him that I am here

Sums it up.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal will receive a guaranteed £30m transfer fee

They keep including the £5mill "compensation" in the figure. That is not part of the transfer fee. The transfer fee is what Barca pay Arsenal for the player. If Fabregas has waived money he hasn't even received yet that has nothing to do with what Barcelona paid us. That's between us and Fabregas and he obviously had to give it up to make the deal happen. Plus it's over 4 years anyway.

[KSE Comedy Club]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/front_page/9564751.stm

£175m?!?

fuckin hell :ilt:

[Kano]

and messi has a clause for 250m euros, so it means f all

[Niall_Quinn]

Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, now Fabregas. Untouchable.

[IBK]

They keep including the £5mill "compensation" in the figure. That is not part of the transfer fee. The transfer fee is what Barca pay Arsenal for the player. If Fabregas has waived money he hasn't even received yet that has nothing to do with what Barcelona paid us. That's between us and Fabregas and he obviously had to give it up to make the deal happen. Plus it's over 4 years anyway.

The one thing I would say is that ultimately AFC had no choice over this. It was like King Canute trying to hold back the sea. And while Fabregas avoided saying he wanted out, those who think this move hasn't been as much down to the player agitating to move as it has been down to Barcelona are, in my view, being utterly naive.

[Kano]

Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Villa, now Fabregas. Untouchable.

and sanchez

[Niall_Quinn]

and sanchez

Shut the fuck up already!

[Kano]

oh and thiago

[Power n Glory]

€200 million on Cesc's buyout clause.

[Letters]

€200 million on Cesc's buyout clause.

I'll have to arrange a little ceremony when the hundreth person mentions this irrelevant figure.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'll have to arrange a little ceremony when the hundreth person mentions this irrelevant figure.

It's not at all irrelevant. It means they are determined to hand on to him for the duration of his contract unless they get a crazy offer. It's them saying, "Hands off, this player is ours and is going nowhere." This for a player they didn't really need and weren't that bothered about signing. A bench player, a take it or leave it proposition. Obviously that bullshit doesn't float any more. This was a player they were absolutely desperate to land, hence the relentless pursuit, but our club wasn't strong enough to exploit that fact. People couldn't give a fuck what his buyout clause is, they give a fuck we got screwed on the fee. And we bloody did too, absolutely screwed. How much shit has to happen at this club before some people say, wait a minute this is some pile of shit that's building and has been building for a long time.

[Kano]

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/15/article-1313411422215-0D70BF3600000578-621872_636x417.jpg

[Marc Overmars]

/thread

[Niall_Quinn]

/thread

Can't we just carry on to RvP without going to the bother of starting a new thread? We could do Jack here too.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I owe it to him that I am here

Sums it up.

Well he doe's Owe it To AW for where he's got to.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

1355: FOOTBALL - Arsenal goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny on Twitter: (http://twitter.com/13Szczesny13) "Good luck to our friend and captain @cesc4official. He's been fantastic for Arsenal and will be missed at the club!"
1350: FOOTBALL - Cesc Fabregas on his move to Barcelona: "I come here with great humility because I know I have a lot to learn and I can learn a lot from this coach and this great team. I've played with two of them [Lionel Messi and Gerard Pique] since I was 13 and many of the others since I was 18 [with Spain] so I know them very well. I know I can enjoy it and make a contribution. I'm going to try very hard to make this team even more competitive and strong

From the bbc

[Chrissie]

BobWilsonBWSC Bob Wilson
Thanks cesc Thanks Cesc. The King is dead. Long live the King. Enjoy your reign Jack
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[Letters]

It's not at all irrelevant. It means they are determined to hand on to him for the duration of his contract unless they get a crazy offer.

Which they won't. And he doesn't want to play anywhere else for the forseeable future.
It's a completely irrelevant figure done to sound good. Fabregas would NEVER have signed a contract with that sort of clause with us because he always wanted to go to Barca at some point.


This was a player they were absolutely desperate to land

No it isn't. They wanted him but he won't improve them and they could have waited another summer if they'd had to.
You can keep saying we got screwed on the fee if you like. We had a player who didn't want to play for us and who we knew would only sign for one club.
If we'd been able to get a bidding war going we'd have got more but it's still one of the biggest transfer fees from a British club.

What we have to do, HAVE to do now is buy to replace.

[Niall_Quinn]

What we have to do, HAVE to do now is buy to replace.

That's not going to happen either, amigo. How you going to spin that?

[Letters]

That's not going to happen either, amigo. How you going to spin that?

I won't.
That would be a sodding disaster.
I've said so in another thread :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

I won't.
That would be a sodding disaster.
I've said so in another thread :good:

Well okay then, fair enough. But Rick Astley is your favourite pop star and you can't wriggle out of that.

[Letters]

I told you that in confidence :angry:

[IBK]

Well he doe's Owe it To AW for where he's got to.

You miss my point. How many of our players owe their moves to their dream clubs to Wenger - these dream clubs not being AFC? Sad, really.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

You miss my point. How many of our players owe their moves to their dream clubs to Wenger - these dream clubs not being AFC? Sad, really.

Not sure he meant it like that i think he meant that he owes Aw to getting him to where is is as a player.

[StamfordBrdige]

I won't.
That would be a sodding disaster.
I've said so in another thread :good:

Quoted for truth.

You can't help yourself letters. I'm pretty sure you'll put some spin on it, you always do. The excuses keep being made for AW and already it has been suggested that Cesc's fee takes care of the stadium debt for this year and that the CL money if you beat udinese will be your source of transfer funds.
Words fail me.

I'm really looking forward to your next set of financials and to some (an ever decreasing number thankfully) still maintaining that you have to sell to buy and other such nonsense.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Quoted for truth.

You can't help yourself letters. I'm pretty sure you'll put some spin on it, you always do. The excuses keep being made for AW and already it has been suggested that Cesc's fee takes care of the stadium debt for this year and that the CL money if you beat udinese will be your source of transfer funds.
Words fail me.

I'm really looking forward to your next set of financials and to some (an ever decreasing number thankfully) still maintaining that you have to sell to buy and other such nonsense.
Where's the bit where Letters says we have to sell to buy?

[IBK]

Not sure he meant it like that i think he meant that he owes Aw to getting him to where is is as a player.

Same difference mate. AW has got him to where he is as a player, and therefore able to get his dream move...away from Arsenal.

[StamfordBrdige]

Where's the bit where Letters says we have to sell to buy?

I didn't say letters said you have to sell to buy. Letters always puts a spin on things and said to NQ that he won't do that if you fail to replace cesc properly. I was merely saying that he will put a spin on it cos he can't help it.
I'm also saying that there are others who always put a spin on things/come up with some excuse for AW such as you have to sell to buy etc.

[Letters]

Letters always puts a spin on things

Everyone puts a spin on things, not always the same spin but a spin none the less. We all have our own interpretation on what's going on. :good:

I've said quite a few times on here that Wenger should have been sacked last year and now I've said that we HAVE to buy to replace Cesc.

But hey, just ignore that if you like.

[fakeyank]

Everyone puts a spin on things, not always the same spin but a spin none the less. We all have our own interpretation on what's going on. :good:

I've said quite a few times on here that Wenger should have been sacked last year and now I've said that we HAVE to buy to replace Cesc.

But hey, just ignore that if you like.

I am sure some ppl on here have you on ignore.. just sayin'. I would never do such a hideous thing though!

[Letters]

I am sure some ppl on here have you on ignore..

Maybe. And I'd put some people on 'Ignore' if I wasn't a mod.

:shrug:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Maybe. And I'd put some people on 'Ignore' if I wasn't a mod.

:shrug:

Does that mean you're resigning?

[fakeyank]

Does that mean you're resigning?

:dancingman:

FakeYank for mod! :trophy:

[Boss]

He will be missed as a mod :rose:

Not by me, but by others, I'm sure.

[Letters]

Does that mean you're resigning?

Not so long as I stay in the top 5 mods and, thus, fulfil the GW's boards minimum expectation.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think this is a a clear cut resigning matter but I applaud Letters for trying to do the honourable thing. He will be missed as a mod but I'm sure he'll keep posting here.

Who's the new mod?

[fakeyank]

I don't think this is a a clear cut resigning matter but I applaud Letters for trying to do the honourable thing. He will be missed as a mod but I'm sure he'll keep posting here.

Who's the new mod?

Me :cool:

[Letters]

Me :cool:

Over Wenger's dead career...

[Niall_Quinn]

Over Wenger's dead career...

It's on!

[StamfordBrdige]

Everyone puts a spin on things, not always the same spin but a spin none the less. We all have our own interpretation on what's going on. :good:

I've said quite a few times on here that Wenger should have been sacked last year and now I've said that we HAVE to buy to replace Cesc.

But hey, just ignore that if you like.

:faint:
First time i'm hearing of that. Wow! If you think AW should have been sacked then fucking hell, the excrement has definitely made contact with the fan.

I'm simply saying that if you don't buy to replace cesc then some positive spin will be put on it by you (and others), I say this cos i remember when Almunia stank up the place you also said that he had to go but by the start of the next season when it was clear AW intended to start with him as your no1 GK you did try and put a positive spin on it.

There have been other times when you and others have said this is it, AW has to do xyz. AW does his same old thing and then you guys try and paint his actions (or lack of) in a positive light.

[Letters]

:faint:
First time i'm hearing of that.

Said it ages ago. Have repeated it plenty on here too.

And no, no I won't. I don't mind Cesc going, he's done well for us and given us a good portion of his career. But if we don't get anyone to replace him I won't be putting any positive spin on that. It was clear on Saturday we lacked creativity, Cesc gave us that. I think Wilshere can give us some of that but we can't be relying on him to plug that gap completely. I've consistently said if he goes then we have to buy to replace.


I say this cos i remember when Almunia stank up the place you also said that he had to go but by the start of the next season when it was clear AW intended to start with him as your no1 GK you did try and put a positive spin on it.

No I didn't, I always thought it baffling that Wenger didn't buy a 'keeper although I never fely Alminia was quite as bad as some made out on here.
Although he continued to stink up the place at the start of last season and the only positive from that was that Fabianski and Chesney both looked quite good when they had their chances last season so that problem might not be as bad as feared.


There have been other times when you and others have said this is it, AW has to do xyz. AW does his same old thing and then you guys try and paint his actions (or lack of) in a positive light

Vague making up of stuff ftw.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I agree with the last point SB made - there remained until very recently some form of Arsene knows mysticism and people went to extraordinary lengths to make sense of the inexplicable.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/15/article-1313411422215-0D70BF3600000578-621872_636x417.jpg

:sick:

[Chrissie]

cesc4official Cesc Fàbregas Soler
To all Gunners: A big thank you for your unconditional support during the last 8 yrs. Just say that I will always carry you in my heart!
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[alexander]

just tweeted a big thanks to all arsenal fans. which is nice.

[Chrissie]

just tweeted a big thanks to all arsenal fans. which is nice.

GP has responded to him lol

[Letters]

cesc4official Cesc Fàbregas Soler
To all Gunners: A big thank you for your unconditional support during the last 8 yrs. Just say that I will always carry you in my heart!


does he mean wallet?

[GP]

GP has responded to him lol

I wish him all the best :d

[Niall_Quinn]

He's gone, we got fucked on the fee and we aren't replacing him because the board will be keeping the money. Who didn't think this was going to happen, exactly as it has happened? We were saying at the start of last season he was gone this year, we were saying we'd get arse fucked on the fee and it's one of the safest bets in football we won't be replacing him. When you think about it, nothing notable has happened here. It's just the usual shit.

[alexander]

Im worried by wengers latest comments. Things like price is not important, look at who we have already brought in this year, players here already are good enough etc etc.

We are not going to buy anyone else are we. bollocks.

[Master Splinter]

When you think about it, nothing notable has happened here. It's just the usual shit.

And you've contributed to it well.

[Joker]

He's still listed on the official site :lol:

http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/cesc-fabregas

[alexander]

He's still listed on the official site :lol:

http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players/cesc-fabregas

looking at his stats there, he never managed a massive amount of games each season did he.

[Niall_Quinn]

And you've contributed to it well.

More hygienic than lapping it up.

[Niall_Quinn]

looking at his stats there, he never managed a massive amount of games each season did he.

But when you look at his played vs didn't play stats it quickly becomes clear what an important player he was for us. Whereas Nasri is the opposite.

[alexander]

But when you look at his played vs didn't play stats it quickly becomes clear what an important player he was for us. Whereas Nasri is the opposite.

fair enough, didnt look at it that way.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

He's gone, we got fucked on the fee and we aren't replacing him because the board will be keeping the money. Who didn't think this was going to happen, exactly as it has happened? We were saying at the start of last season he was gone this year, we were saying we'd get arse fucked on the fee and it's one of the safest bets in football we won't be replacing him. When you think about it, nothing notable has happened here. It's just the usual shit.

just you wait........probably get to our first CL final in years and then get told to throw the game so we can cash in on the add on..........

never really understood the ins and outs and thought the add ons were just automatic delayed payments......but does seem like we allowed ourselves to get screwed by a 29 mil basic plus Cescs contributions.........and then to cap it off 200 million euro buy out clause.......hello, can anyone answer what was Cescs buy out clause for us?

[Xhaka Can’t]

The buyout clause is immaterial to his value. If he sucked and Barca wanted to sell him on for 50 euro and 400 grams of Chorizo, they could and would.

[Cripps_orig]

cesc4official Cesc Fàbregas SolerTo all Gunners: A big thank you for your unconditional support during the last 8 yrs. Just say that I will always carry you in my heart!1 minute ago Favorite Retweet ReplyTimes like these I wish I was a 14 year old kid on their holidays and having a twitter account. I'd reply back to the cunt and call him a cunt

[fakeyank]

Times like these I wish I was a 14 year old kid on their holidays and having a twitter account. I'd reply back to the cunt and call him a cunt

Why though? He gave his best to the club. Did the club give the best back to him? No. We gave him Denilson, Squillace, Diaby, Vela, Rosicky as part of the deal!

[Cripps_orig]

Why though? He gave his best to the club. Did the club give the best back to him? No. We gave him Denilson, Squillace, Diaby, Vela, Rosicky as part of the deal! The way he treated this club for the past 18 months, pining to move away, refusing to play in pre season with an injury that has miraculously cleared up now he's in the city of cunts etcOh and cos he's a Barcunt player and I hate them

[Grebbo]

The way he treated this club for the past 18 months, pining to move away, refusing to play in pre season with an injury that has miraculously cleared up now he's in the city of cunts etcOh and cos he's a Barcunt player and I hate them

They all do this though.

Henry, our captain, signed a massive contract and then left a year later IIRC.

Vieira, our captain, wanted to leave almost every season and is now an ambassador for Manchester fucking City!! Can you believe that??

Overmars, Petit, Anelka - they all stuck two fingers up at Wenger.

The BIG difference is those players told us to fuck off when we were GOOD and winning things. Would they have stuck around as long as Cesc did if we were as shit as we are now?? No fucking way.

Cesc is a legend in my book and I am very sorry to see him go. We will never sign a midfielder as good as him again.

[Master Splinter]

Cesc is a legend in my book and I am very sorry to see him go. We will never sign a midfielder as good as him again.

Your book must be terrible. Unless Arsenal Football Club crumbles, there will be many midfielders better than Fabregas playing here. Unless you meant that they'd be coming through our academy instead, like Wilshere.

[fakeyank]

They all do this though.

Henry, our captain, signed a massive contract and then left a year later IIRC.

Vieira, our captain, wanted to leave almost every season and is now an ambassador for Manchester fucking City!! Can you believe that??

Overmars, Petit, Anelka - they all stuck two fingers up at Wenger.

The BIG difference is those players told us to fuck off when we were GOOD and winning things. Would they have stuck around as long as Cesc did if we were as shit as we are now?? No fucking way.

Cesc is a legend in my book and I am very sorry to see him go. We will never sign a midfielder as good as him again.

:gp: on the bolded part

Disagree on the legend part. He is a world class player but no way close to being a legend!

[Power n Glory]

Your book must be terrible. Unless Arsenal Football Club crumbles, there will be many midfielders better than Fabregas playing here. Unless you meant that they'd be coming through our academy instead, like Wilshere.

Cesc's assist record was the best in Europe. He's a World and European Cup winner. Also, over the last 6 years, we've seen our best run of results in Europe. We've beaten top clubs like Madrid, AC Milan, Barca and Juve. Back in the glory days with the legends we were going out in group stages against teams like Dynamo Kyiv.

He's an Arsenal legend in my book. Not because of the glory but because of his contribution and passion for this club. Remember the how he played on with a broken leg against Barca and the way he celebrated after scoring that goal against Milan. The kid loved playing for us.

[Cripps_orig]

They all do this though.Henry, our captain, signed a massive contract and then left a year later IIRC.Vieira, our captain, wanted to leave almost every season and is now an ambassador for Manchester fucking City!! Can you believe that??Overmars, Petit, Anelka - they all stuck two fingers up at Wenger.The BIG difference is those players told us to fuck off when we were GOOD and winning things. Would they have stuck around as long as Cesc did if we were as shit as we are now?? No fucking way.Cesc is a legend in my book and I am very sorry to see him go. We will never sign a midfielder as good as him again.Everyone knows how I felt about Henry. The others all helped us win stuff and none pined or refused to play for us. He's a cunt.Legend? :lol: not even close.

[Grebbo]

Your book must be terrible. Unless Arsenal Football Club crumbles, there will be many midfielders better than Fabregas playing here. Unless you meant that they'd be coming through our academy instead, like Wilshere.

:haha: I'm glad you're so confident!! Tell me who Wenger has signed since Cesc who's anywhere near as good as him?

Arsenal are not attractive to top players and it is getting harder and harder to buy the next young gem - as Wenger is finding out.

Our glory days are long gone.

[GunnerFan4Life]

He's an Arsenal legend in my book. Not because of the glory but because of his contribution and passion for this club. Remember the how he played on with a broken leg against Barca and the way he celebrated after scoring that goal against Milan. The kid loved playing for us.


It's so sad :( I'm much more sad than alot of people here.

[Grebbo]

Everyone knows how I felt about Henry. The others all helped us win stuff and none pined or refused to play for us. He's a cunt.Legend? :lol: not even close.

I wouldn't be so sure about Vieira not refusing to play for us. And like I said: Vieira wouldn't have won shit with this team.

[Master Splinter]

:haha: I'm glad you're so confident!! Tell me who Wenger has signed since Cesc who's anywhere near as good as him?

Arsenal are not attractive to top players and it is getting harder and harder to buy the next young gem - as Wenger is finding out.

Our glory days are long gone.

You said:
We will never sign a midfielder as good as him again.

Which is ridiculous. Unless you mean just under Wenger. But that's not what you said.

We've had midfielders better than him in the past and we'll have midfielders better than him in the future.

He is in no way a legend.

[Grebbo]

You said:

Which is ridiculous. Unless you mean just under Wenger. But that's not what you said.

We've had midfielders better than him in the past and we'll have midfielders better than him in the future.

He is in no way a legend.

Yeah I know what I said.

I'm just wondering how on earth you think we'll sign them when there are four or five club's in the Prem alone who can outbid us and the competition for young talent has increased ten fold since Wenger became boss.

I hope you're right but I'd be surprised.

I can't think of many Arsenal midfielders who were better than Cesc. I think you're forgetting how good he was. Plus he was in a shit team. Watch him and weep when you see how good he is for Barca.

[GunnerFan4Life]

Fabregas might not have the same record as Vieira, Henry, Bergkamp etc and they might get the hyped up return to the emirates but every single arsenal fan will remember Fabregas because of his passion and his love for us. That's enough for me to stand up and applaud him if he ever comes back.

[GP]

http://www.forumbilder.se/images/ffffdfd.gif

http://z13.invisionfree.com/goonersweb/index.php?showtopic=27200&st=0

[Niall_Quinn]

He's not a legend because he hasn't been connected with any success at Arsenal, not his fault, too much shit around him on the pitch for that to happen plus Wenger going through his legacy meltdown. But in modern times it's hard to think of a more gifted central midfielder at the club. Brady? Doesn't mean he was the best, that award has to go to Vieira. Agree as well that a lot of our legends might have been hard pushed to stick around during this pointless period, we'll never know. In the end this club became way too small for Fabregas. I don't blame him for going, I can understand that. But I blame him for not speaking out against the absolutely shitty behaviour displayed by that pack of cuntalans who couldn't keep their mouths shut for 30 seconds. He could have said something and I don't buy the shit about him being banned from speaking.

As I type Aguero and Silva are destroying Swansea. Aguero was £35mill, £5mill more than Fabregas. That's scandalous and that's the other thing I'm pissed with, the awful way we handled the transfer and the pitiful amount we received for one of the top three midfielders in the world. No other club would have been so badly skinned. Oh and the probability we'll only spend tuppence (or maybe nothing at all) replacing him.

This is only the immediate impact of him leaving. We have yet to find out the long term repercussions. I'll still watch him play in Spain, he's going to be amazing in the company of Messi and Co and I guess in the end his talent deserves that chance. I was watching him today standing on the pitch, fuck me, that's what it's like to have it all and have the world at your feet. Me, I'm trying to make the rent. All comes down to life choices I guess and you get back what you put in. Arsenal are putting in less and less and pretty soon the club will be struggling to make the rent too. It's all downhill from here. Fabregas escaped in the nick of time.

[Master Splinter]

Yeah I know what I said.

I'm just wondering how on earth you think we'll sign them when there are four or five club's in the Prem alone who can outbid us and the competition for young talent has increased ten fold since Wenger became boss.

I hope you're right but I'd be surprised.

I can't think of many Arsenal midfielders who were better than Cesc. I think you're forgetting how good he was. Plus he was in a shit team. Watch him and weep when you see how good he is for Barca.

Things change. Unless the world stops tomorrow, Arsenal will have ups and downs and we'll have more Fabregas' and Bendtner's.

Fabregas has had some brilliant moments but has also shown himself to be a flawed player many times. If he's great at Barcelona, it will be great to watch.

If you want to see it as the end of the world, that's fair enough. I'm not going to be that dramatic about a player who didn't give a fuck for 18 months.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal will have ups and downs and we'll have more Fabregas' and Bendtner's.

These "ups", what time scale are you talking about? A season, a couple of seasons, a decade, a geological era? And what do we class "up" as any more? A CL final? A Mickey Mouse cup final appearance? Beating Barca in one leg of a CL match but losing in the end? Grabbing meaningless points against Utd? It's slim pickings. Of course the world won't end, mercy is fleeting.

[fakeyank]

These "ups", what time scale are you talking about? A season, a couple of seasons, a decade, a geological era? And what do we class "up" as any more? A CL final? A Mickey Mouse cup final appearance? Beating Barca in one leg of a CL match but losing in the end? Grabbing meaningless points against Utd? It's slim pickings. Of course the world won't end, mercy is fleeting.

:gp:

[Xhaka Can’t]

If there was competition for his signature, we'd have got shedloads more.

There wasn't because he made it clear that Barca was all he was interested in. The alternative was holding him to his contract. While that could have been done, even if he did perform, or we left him onm the bench, this circus of disruption would have continued.

Its over now, all I would say is given what hapopened, it would have been better for this circus to have ended last month, even if it meant getting a little less.

[Master Splinter]

These "ups", what time scale are you talking about? A season, a couple of seasons, a decade, a geological era?

Hopefully the last one.

I can be sure I won't have to endure your endless ranting on GW then :good:.

Although I'll keep an archive of your Ref Rants.

[Niall_Quinn]

So no "ups" then, that's what I thought.

[Master Splinter]

You don't rate your Ref Rants then?

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

we are getting 14.5m euros now and 14.5m euros in september according to arsenalreport. then the variables will kick in over the next 5 years.

shocking deal.

[Niall_Quinn]

we are getting 14.5m euros now and 14.5m euros in september according to arsenalreport. then the variables will kick in over the next 5 years.

shocking deal.

Beggars belief but I guess the board is over the moon. The couldn't give a fuck about football so to them it comes down to £500K + 8 years wages spent, in return for about £25mill. I guess they cleared £5-£10mill when you add in merchandising, additional receipts etc. Good deal when you look at it from a purely business angle, which is precisely what they do.

[Marc Overmars]

we are getting 14.5m euros now and 14.5m euros in september according to arsenalreport. then the variables will kick in over the next 5 years.

shocking deal.

Who cares man about the structure.

Only a fraction will be spent on players anyway.

[Master Splinter]

The Guardian says it is worth £40m overall.

Probably about £30m now and the rest is performance-based and Fabregas's bonus thing.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Why though? He gave his best to the club. Did the club give the best back to him? No. We gave him Denilson, Squillace, Diaby, Vela, Rosicky as part of the deal!

I see your point i do and i agree he gave his best to the club and don't begrudge him a move home. Fab left Arseanl because he wanted to go home, my only problem was him not coming out and saying he wanted to go. Thats what made him a Cunt IMO.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

RVP Tweets


Arsenal striker Robin van Persie on Twitter: "Congratulations to @cesc4official move to Barca. We will miss u here! Enjoyyy it! Respect amigo

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

The Guardian says it is worth £40m overall.

Probably about £30m now and the rest is performance-based and Fabregas's bonus thing.

14.5m euros now

14.5m euros september

4m euros if they win la liga twice in the 5 years (2m euros each time)

1m euros if they win the champions league in the next 5 years

1m euros a year given by cesc himself over next 5 years

potential transfer fee: 39m euros

[Niall_Quinn]

14.5m euros now

14.5m euros september

4m euros if they win la liga twice in the 5 years (2m euros each time)

1m euros if they win the champions league in the next 5 years

1m euros a year given by cesc himself over next 5 years

potential transfer fee: 39m euros

Wonder what will happen if the Spanish economy collapses? We should have got our cash up front.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Wonder what will happen if the Spanish economy collapses? We should have got our cash up front.

yep.

absolutely ludicrous that the reason we played a waiting game was to get the price up and in the end we got a shit one.

well played arsene and the board.

what a load of shit.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

also saying we have 1st option to buy him back should they decide to sell him (for below the release clause obv).

interesting.

[Grebbo]

Wonder what will happen if the Spanish economy collapses? We should have got our cash up front.

We'll rape that Qatari foundation.

[Kano]

I see your point i do and i agree he gave his best to the club and don't begrudge him a move home. Fab left Arseanl because he wanted to go home, my only problem was him not coming out and saying he wanted to go. Thats what made him a Cunt IMO.

he said today the clubs have been negotiating for months, so he hasn't been able to say anything

[Grebbo]

Did anybody else shead a tear today or was it just me? :lol:

Forget those Barca cunts always commenting, Cesc never did. He was a real Gooner IMO. I loved watching him from the moment I first saw him.... which seems like only yesterday.

:wave:

[Master Splinter]

Did anybody else shead a tear today or was it just me? :lol:

Forget those Barca cunts always commenting, Cesc never did. He was a real Gooner IMO. I loved watching him from the moment I first saw him.... which seems like only yesterday.

:wave:

The Aguero comments, the Fabregas love-in.

FFS, sort yourself out.

We still have Diaby.

And remember Squillaci and Eastmond can play there too.

[Grebbo]

:haha:

[Boss]

yep.

absolutely ludicrous that the reason we played a waiting game was to get the price up and in the end we got a shit one.

well played arsene and the board.

what a load of shit.

Pretty much.

Everything about how we run transfers is shocking.

[Ollie the Optimist]

barca have a 175million quid buyout clause in cescs contract. funny i thought they said he wasnt even worth 35 million

[Grebbo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2026264/Cesc-Fabregas-Barcelona-got-cheap-says-Arsene-Wenger.html#ixzz1V8Xiu7r3


Barcelona got £35m Fabregas on the cheap, admits Wenger

Arsene Wenger insisted Barcelona had landed Cesc Fabregas on the cheap, a claim supported by the fact a €200million buy-out clause has been inserted into his Nou Camp contract.

"We sold Cesc for a reduced fee. If you can make an auction between Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester City, you will certainly get more money, but he just wanted to go to Barcelona."

"Cesc went because he was desperate to play for his home town at a club where his grandfather was a member of the committee. It's not a financial affair but one of the heart."

Wenger resisted the idea it might have been better to have sold Fabregas at the start of the transfer window, allowing more time to prepare his team for the campaign ahead.

'We did want to get a decent fee,' said the Frenchman. 'You cannot say because you want to get the deal done as quickly as possible, "Just take him and give us what you want". You have to fight for your rights.'

[Ollie the Optimist]

the sad thing about this transfer is that because barca got him, they will now believe that they can go round demanding that players be sold at their value not their selling clubs, their players can spout shit and no one will do a fucking thing.

[fakeyank]

I see your point i do and i agree he gave his best to the club and don't begrudge him a move home. Fab left Arseanl because he wanted to go home, my only problem was him not coming out and saying he wanted to go. Thats what made him a Cunt IMO.

He mentioned that he had a gagging order on him by Arsenal. To what extent its true, we probably will never know. I am judging him by the way he put in an effort for us.. he was always giving his 100% IMO but I think towards the later part of last season when he saw the turd around him, he just couldnt be arsed!

[Elreactor]

RVP Tweets

RVP :bow:

I simply love this guy. Best player at Arsenal, by far. I feel a bit shitTM for his free kicks though.

:bow:

[milla]

He mentioned that he had a gagging order on him by Arsenal. To what extent its true, we probably will never know. I am judging him by the way he put in an effort for us.. he was always giving his 100% IMO but I think towards the later part of last season when he saw the turd around him, he just couldnt be arsed!

Bendtner said the same thing about the gag order from the club, nothing new. :coffee:

[Özim]

Did anybody else shead a tear today or was it just me? :lol:

Forget those Barca cunts always commenting, Cesc never did. He was a real Gooner IMO. I loved watching him from the moment I first saw him.... which seems like only yesterday.

:wave:
I watched the interview and was quite sad, you're right he does love the club, just a shame Wenger has adopted such a stubborn stance with his policies meaning the same thing happens season after season, after a while it's disheartening and you reach the point where you no longer believe.

[Özim]

Pretty much.

Everything about how we run transfers is shocking.
Yup, the club don't even know when their own matches are, they had the CL game on Wednesday on the site.

Needs a shakeup from top to bottom to be honest, never been so disheartened as I am now, there's just no fight, passion, desire at the club, all our top players are deserting us and we're only interested in money.

Bunch of pr*cks.

[Chrissie]

cesc4official Cesc Fàbregas Soler
Once a gunner, always a gunner. Have a good day guys.
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[Justhandguns]

Well, I have stopped following him on Twitter already.

Now that he is saying all this TH14 style "Always a Gunner" thing, is he already planning
for a return (obvious not as a player) to the Emirates? Our ex-players all want to find some
kind of retirement jobs here.

P.S. Chrissie, this name sounds extremely similar to someone famous in HongKong



cesc4official Cesc Fàbregas Soler
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[Ollie the Optimist]

apparently there is a buyback clause in cescs contract for us at the value of what they bought him for. i propose now that wenger and our players go on a massive media campaign saying he wants to come home and all that bullshit just to piss barca off

[Xhaka Can’t]

apparently there is a buyback clause in cescs contract for us at the value of what they bought him for. i propose now that wenger and our players go on a massive media campaign saying he wants to come home and all that bullshit just to piss barca off

We could do that.

Or we could decide not to make ourselves look like a bunch of retarded mongs.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

I watched the interview and was quite sad, you're right he does love the club, just a shame Wenger has adopted such a stubborn stance with his policies meaning the same thing happens season after season, after a while it's disheartening and you reach the point where you no longer believe.

Why has fabregas told us to trust Wenger and how he's is the best for the club and he meant it he must know something we don't know. I don't think Fab left us because we failed to win anything etc. He left because a young man wanted to go home. TH14 left because he wanted to win big trophies same with vieria you culd say.

It is sad he left, and thanks for all he done, but if he comes back to emirated i'd not cry if he was booed wth his new team mates.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

apparently there is a buyback clause in cescs contract for us at the value of what they bought him for. i propose now that wenger and our players go on a massive media campaign saying he wants to come home and all that bullshit just to piss barca off

Yeah and look like a buch of desperate idiots who just look classless no thanks

[McNamara That Ghost...]

We could do that.

Or we could decide not to make ourselves look like a bunch of retarded mongs.

Hmm, we might need to rethink about what we're doing right now then.

[Fist of Lehmann]

Hmm, we might need to rethink about what we're doing right now then.These are kinds of decisions that some of us must wrestle with every day before getting Pedigreed through an announce table.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

cesc is on 67k a week at barca. we get 25% of that for 5 years (17.5k roughly), so he's on around 50k a week.

halved his wages to go barca.

jesus fair play lad.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

cesc is on 67k a week at barca. we get 25% of that for 5 years (17.5k roughly), so he's on around 50k a week.

halved his wages to go barca.

jesus fair play lad.

Hear'd he's on 100k a week but still to a pay cut even so it shows how much he wanted to join them.

[Elreactor]

Hear'd he's on 100k a week but still to a pay cut even so it shows how much he wanted to join them.

And how much they piss on him, and on Arsenal fo course.

[Cripps_orig]

So he took a pay cut?

Thats how desperate he was to get away from here and still people praise him?

:lol:

Also the price is a joke

[Master Splinter]

We'll also get some of the transfer fee when he flops and ends up at Birmingham.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

We'll also get some of the transfer fee when he flops and ends up at Birmingham.

And Jon Toral and hector B will be bettet then him and Barca will want them back and try to offer fab back in exchange lol

[The Wengerbabies]

He's won more with Barca in less then 6 days then he did with Arsenal in 6 years.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Actually his winnings are on a par with us.

He does have 1 FA cup winners medal remember ;)

[Cripps_orig]

Barcelona vice-president Josep Maria Bartomeu believes Cesc Fabregas is worth at least €60 million (£52.7m) and feels that the Catalans did a great piece of business to lure the Spain international to Camp Nou on the cheap.

The 24-year-old midfielder returned to his boyhood club this summer for an initial fee of €29m (£25.4m) after an eight-year spell with Arsenal.

Bartomeu told Sport: "The transfer of Cesc was a very good deal for us. Normally his price wouldn't have been €29m, but he lowered his value by saying that he really wanted to go to Barcelona. His real price was what Arsenal initially asked. He's worth at least €60m in my opinion.

"Transfer negotiations are like poker. Ideally, nothing is leaked to the press, but that seems to be impossible because of all the parties that are involved.

"The fact that we announced in advance that we would only spend €45m [£39.5m] this summer worked to our advantage. Clubs were already well aware of our stance."

Fabregas made his official Barcelona debut in the 3-2 home win over Real Madrid in the Spanish Supercopa and has since scored in the 2-0 European Supercup victory over Porto and in the 5-0 La Liga hammering of Villarreal.


http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2011/09/04/2650552/cesc-fabregas-is-worth-at-least-52m-barcelonas-josep-maria

Wenger :doh:

Hopefully hes learned his lesson when Barca come for Wilshere in a few years. Doubt it though

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2011/09/04/2650552/cesc-fabregas-is-worth-at-least-52m-barcelonas-josep-maria

Wenger :doh:

Hopefully hes learned his lesson when Barca come for Wilshere in a few years. Doubt it though

We had to sell for half price because. Okay?

[Özim]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2011/09/04/2650552/cesc-fabregas-is-worth-at-least-52m-barcelonas-josep-maria

Wenger :doh:

Hopefully hes learned his lesson when Barca come for Wilshere in a few years. Doubt it though
Yeah they well and truly did us on this deal, shocking bit of business for sure...the fact he's saying he was worth what we wanted says it all.

[KSE Comedy Club]

This is less to do with Asenal and wenger and more to do with how barca are massive cunts.

Cesc only wanted to go there and seems as though he refused to play for us to get his move and barca would only pay a certain amount for him.

Cesc and barca are the bigger cunts tbh.

anyway cant we stop talking about about these fucks now and close this thread?

[IBK]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2011/09/04/2650552/cesc-fabregas-is-worth-at-least-52m-barcelonas-josep-maria

Wenger :doh:

Hopefully hes learned his lesson when Barca come for Wilshere in a few years. Doubt it though

What a massive, massive cunt. And what classless cunts Barcelona are. I can't recall any club owner (president in this case) actively bragging about having got a player on the cheap before. As for


Ideally, nothing is leaked to the press, but that seems to be impossible because of all the parties that are involved

Are you kidding me? Noone on AFC's side leaked anything to the press. It was all Barca's doing - with a player popping up every day to :blah: about Cesc's DNA etc.

So what this amounts to is 'Look everyone how clever we are - we took advantage of an ex player's desire to return to us, and an Arsenal manager wanting to do the decent thing by his player, made the situation untenable and destabilised the selling club by using our own players and press leaks in a constant bid to undermine Arsenal, and now we can gloat about how effective our underhand methods were'. Utter, utter cunts.

[IBK]

What a massive, massive cunt. And what classless cunts Barcelona are. I can't recall any club owner (president in this case) actively bragging about having got a player on the cheap before. As for



Are you kidding me? Noone on AFC's side leaked anything to the press. It was all Barca's doing - with a player popping up every day to :blah: about Cesc's DNA etc.

So what this amounts to is 'Look everyone how clever we are - we took advantage of an ex player's desire to return to us, and an Arsenal manager wanting to do the decent thing by his player, made the situation untenable and destabilised the selling club by using our own players and press leaks in a constant bid to undermine Arsenal, and now we can gloat about how effective our underhand methods were'. Utter, utter cunts.

Oh - and for those defending our ex-captain...our loss of €30M is pretty much down to him.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wenger played a bad hand to the best of his ability and he played it as hard as he could. There was nothing he or the club could have done as the deck was stacked against us and everyone knew who held what cards.

The alternative would be at best, holding on to a pining and disaffected want away player which would have been pretty much untenable given that the player in question was our Captain. Perhaps the people criticising Wenger would have preferred that, because it was the only other option.

Nothing the Barca chairman said wasn't true, but neither does it alter the fact that little else could have been done.

[BOBN]

this is partly about appeasing the barca fans who felt they overpaid for one of their own.

but yeah, cesc cost us £20m with his antics, legend my arse.

compare cesc words to those of a manchester united legend:

Brazilian newspaper Terra, in what was said to be an exclusive interview, reported Ronaldo as saying: "I would like to play for Real Madrid, but only if it is true they are ready to pay what Manchester United ask of them. However, it does not depend on me."

and thats how you dont con your club out of £20m like a fookin weasel.

[Letters]

Wenger played a bad hand to the best of his ability and he played it as hard as he could. There was nothing he or the club could have done as the deck was stacked against us and everyone knew who held what cards.

The alternative would be at best, holding on to a pining and disaffected want away player which would have been pretty much untenable given that the player in question was our Captain. Perhaps the people criticising Wenger would have preferred that, because it was the only other option.

Nothing the Barca chairman said wasn't true, but neither does it alter the fact that lite else could have been done.

That. We had a wantaway player who only wanted to go to one club. Yes he was on a reasonably long contract and we could have insisted he stayed but then we'd have had a 'Modric' on our hands and I'm not sure how well that will end for Spurs. Already last season people were questioning Cesc's commitment, keeping him another season would have made things worse. We couldn't start a bidding war 'cos Cesc only wanted to go to club and would only sign for one club. We knew it. Barca knew it. Everyone knew it.

We had to either take less than market value or have a player, captain no less, who didn't want to play for us on our books.
IMO we took the least bad option. The only thing we should have done different is agreed to it all sooner and bought to replace rather than scrambling around on deadline day (although we did some pretty good business that day in the end).

[selassie]

What a massive, massive cunt. And what classless cunts Barcelona are. I can't recall any club owner (president in this case) actively bragging about having got a player on the cheap before. As for



Are you kidding me? Noone on AFC's side leaked anything to the press. It was all Barca's doing - with a player popping up every day to :blah: about Cesc's DNA etc.

So what this amounts to is 'Look everyone how clever we are - we took advantage of an ex player's desire to return to us, and an Arsenal manager wanting to do the decent thing by his player, made the situation untenable and destabilised the selling club by using our own players and press leaks in a constant bid to undermine Arsenal, and now we can gloat about how effective our underhand methods were'. Utter, utter cunts.

Yep Barca have made themselves look really classless in the whole affair TBH. It's bad enough us having to endure the last two summers of the speculation but this just takes things a step too far, it borders on unsporting.

I don't know why they can't just get on with it, they've got the player for the price they felt was acceptable, why the need to boast about it?

[Cripps_orig]

As soon as Cesc said he wanted to leave then we should have put him on the market. We shouldn't have given a toss if he only wanted to join Barca. As soon as he said he doesn't want to play for us anymore then it doesn't make a difference where he goes. Put him on the market, man city or Real come in with a £50m+ bid and Barca don't, we tell Cesc Barca don't really want him as they refuse to pay as much as other clubs so he can either stfu and stay wid us or he goes to Real or City. Simples.

However we have an awful manager who wouldn't know how to stand up to a player to save his life and also has previous of bending over for Barca and that's exactly what he did meaning we get a shit price for a world class player and Arsenal lose out once again.

Just fuck off Wenger

[Cripps_orig]

ARSENE WENGER convinced the Arsenal board to LOWER Cesc Fabregas' asking price so he could secure a dream return to Barcelona — according to the midfield star.

Spanish playmaker Fabregas rejoined his old club in a £35million switch last month, though Barca have since admitted his value is closer to twice that figure.

Gunners fans were left fuming at the fee the North Londoners accepted for the 24-year-old, with many claiming it was far lower than his true worth.

But Fabregas' desire to return home to his boyhood club was so great Arsenal boss Wenger stepped in to smooth the deal over.

Fabregas admitted: "Without Arsene I would not be a Barca player now.

"He convinced the owners of Arsenal – who would not sell under any circumstances – to lower the price."

Fabregas moved to London as a 16-year-old in 2003 and made 303 appearances for the Gunners, scoring 57 goals.

And the World Cup winner concedes he owes his whole career to Wenger.

The Spanish international added: "Without Arsene I would not have made my debut by 16, played in the final of the Champions League at 18 and been team captain by 20.

"I would be nothing without him — what he has given me is priceless."

Fabregas won just ONE piece of silverware during his eight-year stay in London — the 2005 FA Cup.

And he maintains that is the one black mark on his Arsenal career.

He said: "In terms of titles, I am bitter about that. Missing out on winning the Premier League about three times — I would have liked to have taken that, but it could not happen."

However, despite winning two trophies during his brief time already at the Nou Camp, Fabregas insists he does not consider himself a first-team starter just yet.

Speaking to El Pais, he said: "It is clear that only players like Xavi, Andres Iniesta and Lionel Messi could complain about a lack of playing time. If they did complain I would respect that, so I will play when I play.

"I feel I still have much to learn, this team is highly mechanised and there are things I have to catch up on particularly in defence.

"I have never seen a team that is so focused on the attack-defend transition — playing against Barcelona is very complicated but playing at the club is not so easy and that is the challenge.

"I honestly feel that at times I may hinder them, but they are good at fixing it and hiding it — I must adapt to them and learn."

He added: "Their style of play is the most beautiful thing I have seen in my life, all you hear is the ball going — tap, tap, tap — I have never seen so much training at this level."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3795274/Cesc-Fabregas-Arsene-Wenger-convinced-Arsenal-to-lower-their-asking-price-for-me.html

:doh:

How is this guy a manager?

[Power n Glory]

Cesc was desperate to leave because it became clear that this club was on it's way down. If we'd have shown some ambition in the transfer window much earlier then maybe he wouldn't have been so desperate to leave. It's on the club and Wenger. We were stuffed on the price but it doesn't matter because we were never going to buy a huge star player.
Look at the Arteta deal. You think any other club would put up with that insulting first offer and then rub salt in the wound by telling the player to take a wage cut?

Depending on how this season goes, RVP, Verms and Walcott could be out the door next. We can only hope the new signings turn our prospects around. We have weak men running this club. It's not the first time we've bent over for Barca and played the wrong hand. When Wenger sat Cesc down and begged him to stay last season he should have went out and signed players that would have helped our season. He chose the cheap option and now we're paying the price. When we lost to Man U, Wenger knew this squad was broken and morale was at an all time low. We had to go out and sign players otherwise we'd have been finished. About time, but if he'd have done this two seasons ago it may have never come to this.

[Letters]

As soon as Cesc said he wanted to leave then we should have put him on the market. We shouldn't have given a toss if he only wanted to join Barca. As soon as he said he doesn't want to play for us anymore then it doesn't make a difference where he goes. Put him on the market, man city or Real come in with a £50m+ bid and Barca don't, we tell Cesc Barca don't really want him as they refuse to pay as much as other clubs so he can either stfu and stay wid us or he goes to Real or City. Simples.

He'd have refused to sign for City or Real, brain of Britain.

So your brilliant idea is to tell Cesc Barca don't really want him? Really? Cos yeah, he doesn't know anyone at Barca and us telling him that would definitely have convinced him to sign for another club.

:doh:

[BOBN]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3795274/Cesc-Fabregas-Arsene-Wenger-convinced-Arsenal-to-lower-their-asking-price-for-me.html

:doh:

How is this guy a manager?
oh my days.

this follows on from these comments from wenger days ago:


"I'm very grateful Cesc called me his second father. And he's like a son to me. He knows I'd never have done something to harm him."

[Darth Vela]

Yeah, that's a bit much, I know he has this thing about respecting people and their wishes but that was something we should have stayed strong on, regardless of the effect having a disinterested captain would have on the squad we simply can't afford to be a soft touch, or at least to be seen as one.

[Power n Glory]

oh my days.

this follows on from these comments from wenger days ago:

Lol. So what does that say about Wenger's influence with the board? No more nonsense about Wenger being a victim and no more rubbish about Cesc screwing us over.

But that's kind of him. That's good of him to do that.

[Cripps_orig]

He'd have refused to sign for City or Real, brain of Britain.So your brilliant idea is to tell Cesc Barca don't really want him? Really? Cos yeah, he doesn't know anyone at Barca and us telling him that would definitely have convinced him to sign for another club.:doh:Then we don't sell him at all if he doesn't want to go anywhere else until Barca pay what we want. Wenger just had to grow a set and toughen up but you've read the "he's like a son to me, I'd never harm him" comments. He chose Cesc over Arsenal and he can fuck himself over thatCunt

[Letters]

Yeah, that's a bit much, I know he has this thing about respecting people and their wishes but that was something we should have stayed strong on, regardless of the effect having a disinterested captain would have on the squad we simply can't afford to be a soft touch, or at least to be seen as one.

It's interesting how people moan about how Arsenal being just interested in money (with some justification)
And now people are saying the Cesc transfer should have been all about the money :shrug:

Having a disinterested captain would have been far more damaging than a bit less money in the bank is, IMO.

He clearly wanted away and we knew would only sign for one club this making our position weaker than it might have been for a comparable player about whom a bidding war may have erupted. It could and probably should have been sorted out earlier, apart from that I'm not sure what else we could have done.

[Letters]

Then we don't sell him at all if he doesn't want to go anywhere else until Barca pay what we want.

Well OK, that is a viable alternative. But people were already questioning his commitment last year - I believe you were one of them. You think it would have been better to have another season with a disinterested player, worse - a disinterested captain?

Spurs have been tough with Modric and I've heard Spurs fans question whether that's the right call. In some ways I admire them for their stance but personally I'd rather have players who are interested in playing for us.

[BOBN]

It's interesting how people moan about how Arsenal being just interested in money (with some justification)
And now people are saying the Cesc transfer should have been all about the money :shrug:

Having a disinterested captain would have been far more damaging than a bit less money in the bank is, IMO.

easy probem to solve, jusy strip him of the captaincy. simples.

wenher didnt have the balls to do that to his son thas why he begged the board to sell.

[Darth Vela]

It's interesting how people moan about how Arsenal being just interested in money (with some justification)
And now people are saying the Cesc transfer should have been all about the money :shrug:

Having a disinterested captain would have been far more damaging than a bit less money in the bank is, IMO.

He clearly wanted away and we knew would only sign for one club this making our position weaker than it might have been for a comparable player about whom a bidding war may have erupted. It could and probably should have been sorted out earlier, apart from that I'm not sure what else we could have done.

The notion that we're a soft touch and nothing more than a stepping stone needs to be fought though as that is, in turn. far more damaging to the club than keeping a disinterested captain and is something that is emblazoned across every paper now (not that it technically matters what papers say but they help form opinion which changes a lot of things over time (take a look at some of the refereeing for Man U))

I do agree that there's often a bit of hypocrisy around the Arsenal blogosphere about claiming the sole focus on money is the route of all evil whilst criticising the club for not getting the most money out of a situation, people being stupid is less of a shocker nowadays though!

[selassie]

Cesc was desperate to leave because it became clear that this club was on it's way down. If we'd have shown some ambition in the transfer window much earlier then maybe he wouldn't have been so desperate to leave. It's on the club and Wenger. We were stuffed on the price but it doesn't matter because we were never going to buy a huge star player.
Look at the Arteta deal. You think any other club would put up with that insulting first offer and then rub salt in the wound by telling the player to take a wage cut?

Depending on how this season goes, RVP, Verms and Walcott could be out the door next. We can only hope the new signings turn our prospects around. We have weak men running this club. It's not the first time we've bent over for Barca and played the wrong hand. When Wenger sat Cesc down and begged him to stay last season he should have went out and signed players that would have helped our season. He chose the cheap option and now we're paying the price. When we lost to Man U, Wenger knew this squad was broken and morale was at an all time low. We had to go out and sign players otherwise we'd have been finished. About time, but if he'd have done this two seasons ago it may have never come to this.

Yeah I largely agree with this, Wenger should have shown more ambition in the market prior to Cesc leaving. I agree with you re: Arteta deal and this pretty much backs up what many of us have thought about our moves in the market, we managed to pull it off with Arteta due to his age and club situation but I very much doubt we'd get away with a stunt like that on a player who is a) sort after or b) plying their trade at a club who is equal to us regardless of whether they are domestic based or not.

I've actually come to realisation that I really don't think Wenger cares that too much about retaining star players...if he or the club had any sense they would be tieing down RVP, Verms & Walcott on bumper long term contracts now but somehow I get the impression we're going to be left with another messy summer ahead with aforementioned players & their contract renegotiations.

[Niall_Quinn]

By the end of this season Cesc will be the biggest name in Spanish football, wait and see. Pep knew this, he knew how advantageous it would be to seamlessly transition away from Xavi, the old master, to the new king Fabregas. We've let him do that on the cheap, we've essentially handed Barca a get out of jail free card, maybe not for this season but certainly for season to come. They must be laughing their arses off. Having Xavi and Fabregas at the club over the last half decade may well have been a problem, but now the timing is perfect. I bet they bless the day they let Fabregas come here so we could develop him into a worldbeater and hand him back on a virtual free transfer. Well played Barca, you have to hand it to them. Wenger and the board - you got fucked. Make sure it doesn't happen when Jack goes to Utd.

The people who are so keen to make Barca's case need to be reminded, we don't give a shit about them - it;s Arsenal we're concerned about, surely? what's best for Arsenal. I can't figure the logic behind selling our prize asset on the cheap and can't think of another club in world football who would have done it. Need proof? Spurs and Bolton can be criticised and they may even lose out in the long term, but they didn't let themselves get fucked over and that message will reinforce their position next time they are at the negotiating table. As for us? Barca are laughing at how easy it was to prime the pump well before a call was even made. We are pretty pathetic really, from the manager up.

[Niall_Quinn]

And another thing, let's stop using that old cliche, no one player is bigger than the club. Because that's certainly not true with us, is it?

[BOBN]

wenger should have cracked open the miss world spiel for cesc, if barca wont pay then too bad. why the tough talk then and not now? maybe he doesnt take gypsies for sons....



Reports in Spain suggest Atletico had made a bid in the region of £8.1million, while Arsenal were reported to have placed a £12.2million price tag on the Spain international.

Reyes has made no secret of his desire to return to the Primera Liga, with Real Madrid his preferred destination.

Wenger insists no firm proposal has been put forward by the Bernabeu club - and rejected out of hand the one tabled by their city rivals.

"I do not consider that an offer - I consider that an insult," the Arsenal manager declared. "I feel if a player wants to go and you get an agreement with the money you want, he goes - if you do not get that, he stays here.

"We will try to make him happy - but what can we do about the situation?

"When a player has a contract you need an agreement of three parties and you need an offer for a player and we have had no offer."

Wenger added: "I am not annoyed [by the situation] because I take care of the players who play and the players who do not play, what can I do?

"He wants to go Spain and we have no offer, what can I do about it? I can do nothing.

"It is like you wanting to marry Miss World and she does not want you. What can I do about it?

"I can try to help you, but if she does not want to marry you, what can I do?

"If you are not happy, what can I do about it? It is exactly the same."

'You can play a little with the opportunities'

Wenger, however, rejected suggestions he would be better to cut his losses and let the unsettled player leave.

The Gunners boss said: "Everybody comes in then and does exactly the same. You have to be careful with what you do.

"What is important is the interest of Arsenal Football Club."

Wenger insisted: "I have a responsibility towards the club and the fans about how I manage the club.

"It is important that everybody is happy at the club - but there are other interests which are above that."

Arsenal remain in talks with Chelsea over the protracted transfer of England full-back Cole, with Wenger having lodged a formal bid for Blues defender William Gallas.

The Gunners manager, however, insisted: "Do not think that we do not have the money to buy anyone if nobody goes out, that is not true.

"It [buying] would be less needed [if no-one left]. But I can still buy.

"I can buy in January, I can buy now. You can play a little with the opportunities."

[Darth Vela]

By the end of this season Cesc will be the biggest name in Spanish football, wait and see. Pep knew this, he knew how advantageous it would be to seamlessly transition away from Xavi, the old master, to the new king Fabregas. We've let him do that on the cheap, we've essentially handed Barca a get out of jail free card, maybe not for this season but certainly for season to come. They must be laughing their arses off. Having Xavi and Fabregas at the club over the last half decade may well have been a problem, but now the timing is perfect. I bet they bless the day they let Fabregas come here so we could develop him into a worldbeater and hand him back on a virtual free transfer. Well played Barca, you have to hand it to them. Wenger and the board - you got fucked. Make sure it doesn't happen when Jack goes to Utd.

The people who are so keen to make Barca's case need to be reminded, we don't give a shit about them - it;s Arsenal we're concerned about, surely? what's best for Arsenal. I can't figure the logic behind selling our prize asset on the cheap and can't think of another club in world football who would have done it. Need proof? Spurs and Bolton can be criticised and they may even lose out in the long term, but they didn't let themselves get fucked over and that message will reinforce their position next time they are at the negotiating table. As for us? Barca are laughing at how easy it was to prime the pump well before a call was even made. We are pretty pathetic really, from the manager up.

Actually, next time Bolton will come to the negotiating table over Cahill the guy on the other side of the desk will simply say 'take 5m now or lose him for nothing in 6 months, choice is yours', that isn't a wonderfully strong position to regularly take...I agree with the rest but that's a bad example.

[Niall_Quinn]

Actually, next time Bolton will come to the negotiating table over Cahill the guy on the other side of the desk will simply say 'take 5m now or lose him for nothing in 6 months, choice is yours', that isn't a wonderfully strong position to regularly take...I agree with the rest but that's a bad example.

You can look at it another way. Next time a player comes to them with 2 years on his contract and does the old, I'll agitate for a move next year, they can say go ahead, do it, see what you get. They've chosen to take the money they'll lose next year in the form of a player who can do a job for them this year. Who knows how valuable that will be for them? Maybe worth £40mill if he keeps them up. Plus his experience in the team is there for whatever replacement they are grooming. All in all a smarter policy than bending over and definitely in line with putting the club before the player which I think is how it should be. At Arsenal right now a contract means fuck all. The same is true to lesser degrees for all clubs in an age of player power but we've pushed things to a new level.

[Coney]

And another thing, let's stop using that old cliche, no one player is bigger than the club. Because that's certainly not true with us, is it?

It certainly isn't. For instance, Bendtner is bigger than all the PL clubs put together. Our ingratitude is amazing.

[Cripps_orig]

Well OK, that is a viable alternative. But people were already questioning his commitment last year - I believe you were one of them. You think it would have been better to have another season with a disinterested player, worse - a disinterested captain?

Spurs have been tough with Modric and I've heard Spurs fans question whether that's the right call. In some ways I admire them for their stance but personally I'd rather have players who are interested in playing for us.

There is that but then ive also seen people state how much Cesc loves the club so if hes stuck here knowing Barca arent willing to pay what we want, he'd just get his head down and get on with it due to his "love" for the club

[IBK]

I agree with Letters about keeping a want away player. But I feel also that the Cesc situation is partly a result of Wenger's narcissism. He has this principle that he won't stand in the way of want away players - and its part of a general approach to his players that is off-kilter when it comes to his favourites. Wengers darlings rule the roost and like most spoiled kids they ultimately let him, and us down. make no mistake. Wenger's principles and experiments are more important to him than our club. And we have created a monster in a manager who wield far too much power and influence, yet is so deebly imbedded that it will hurt us to part ways.

[AKBapologist]

In one thread AW is blamed for clinging on to players and having to be forced to sell (nasri), in the next he's blamed for selling too soon and going against the wishes of the board. :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

In one thread AW is blamed for clinging on to players and having to be forced to sell (nasri), in the next he's blamed for selling too soon and going against the wishes of the board. :doh:

Could be different people making the different points though? I think they are mostly complaining about Wenger and the board getting it wrong regardless, whether it be transfers in, transfers out, contracts, sponsorship deals, tactics, you name it. Not so wrong we get relegated, as Wenger likes to remind us, but wrong enough so we're always second best. Or second rate would be more accurate. I think people are fed up of being second rate.

[Joker]

It's pathetic that Cesc was sold at such a cheap price. Our brinkmanship failed miserably, and we've ended up losing two top quality players (despite the fact I hold reservations about their characters) and replaced them with has-been, injury prone players. We should have sold Cesc last summer, then invested the transfer funds in a top quality central midfielder who could step in right away and make a difference. Instead, we kept him for one season too long, and reduced the strength of our bargaining position, knowing that Cesc wouldn't want to stay for another season, and Barca realising that they could use Cesc's poor season for us as a justification for paying less than his true worth. We've cocked this transfer up big time, and Wenger must take a lot of the blame.

[Niall_Quinn]

RvP's fault mostly.

[IBK]

In one thread AW is blamed for clinging on to players and having to be forced to sell (nasri), in the next he's blamed for selling too soon and going against the wishes of the board. :doh:

Remind me which players AW has clung on to again.

[IBK]

It's pathetic that Cesc was sold at such a cheap price. Our brinkmanship failed miserably, and we've ended up losing two top quality players (despite the fact I hold reservations about their characters) and replaced them with has-been, injury prone players. We should have sold Cesc last summer, then invested the transfer funds in a top quality central midfielder who could step in right away and make a difference. Instead, we kept him for one season too long, and reduced the strength of our bargaining position, knowing that Cesc wouldn't want to stay for another season, and Barca realising that they could use Cesc's poor season for us as a justification for paying less than his true worth. We've cocked this transfer up big time, and Wenger must take a lot of the blame.

I think Fabregas is mostly to blame for the cut price, rather than Wenger. From the manager's point of view, you can't really do much but encourage a player to sign a long contract. If you have a massive, massive bunch of cunts and a player with a massive hard on for those cunts and noone else then there isn't a great deal of leeway, really.

IMO if the manager is to blame, its for not reading the signs, and just getting the deal done for this price early doors. Unfortunately, by trying to be too clever in the transfer market the whole time, buying clubs know exactly what to expect from us - they know we posture and then give in. So in Fabregas' case we should have ditched the pointless posturing and simply set a realistic price in the circumstances, told the player and the Cunts that it was that or nothing and simply refused to negotiate/deal further. That way, Fabregas could have been the one putting pressure on Barcelona to get it done.

[Özim]

Remind me which players AW has clung on to again.
Almunia, Bendtner, Denilson, Squillaci.

You know the sort.

[Letters]

It's pathetic that Cesc was sold at such a cheap price. Our brinkmanship failed miserably, and we've ended up losing two top quality players (despite the fact I hold reservations about their characters) and replaced them with has-been, injury prone players. We should have sold Cesc last summer, then invested the transfer funds in a top quality central midfielder who could step in right away and make a difference. Instead, we kept him for one season too long, and reduced the strength of our bargaining position, knowing that Cesc wouldn't want to stay for another season, and Barca realising that they could use Cesc's poor season for us as a justification for paying less than his true worth. We've cocked this transfer up big time, and Wenger must take a lot of the blame.

Pretty much everyone on here was lauding Wenger and Arsenal last summer for standing up to Barca and not selling Fabregas :shrug:
We'd still have had to sell him cut price last summer, Barca were never going to meet our valuation. Ever.
'Cos they know he's going there (and nowhere else) eventually. We know it too. And every year his contract runs down our position gets weaker. This was the last year we had a reasonably long contract in our favour, we've sold him at the right time IMO but took too long to sort it out this summer.

[Power n Glory]

There never was a right time to sell Cesc. He's still in his prime and we're still trying to build a championship winning team. 8 years have been wasted.

[Letters]

Well, obviously in an ideal world he'd have stayed with us throughout his career but that was never going to happen.
He always made it clear he'd like to go back to Barca at some point.
Whether our failure in the last few years hastened his exit is debatable, it may have or maybe had we been successful he'd have wanted to move on to new challenges anyway. Who knows?
IMO we did the pragmatic thing this summer but we shouldn't have strung it out all summer to do it.

[Power n Glory]

8 years is a long time and we should have at least built a title winning squad in that time. Staying beyond that point is a bonus, but we haven't made do with the squad and players we've had. It has been a failure and Wenger has no right to ask for more time.

[Cripps_orig]

Well, obviously in an ideal world he'd have stayed with us throughout his career but that was never going to happen.
He always made it clear he'd like to go back to Barca at some point.
Whether our failure in the last few years hastened his exit is debatable, it may have or maybe had we been successful he'd have wanted to move on to new challenges anyway. Who knows?
IMO we did the pragmatic thing this summer but we shouldn't have strung it out all summer to do it.

Then we should have sold him when he was just a teenager if he wasnt going to be loyal to us instead of building a team around a player who didnt want to be here.

[Power n Glory]

Then we should have sold him when he was just a teenager if he wasnt going to be loyal to us instead of building a team around a player who didnt want to be here.

Get a hold of yourself, man.

Such talk sounds childish.

[Cripps_orig]

I dont get the "he was always going to go back to Barca" point either.

Why? Cos he supports them? You dont hear Ashley Young, Bent, Defoe etc pining for a move to Arsenal do you?

There are plenty of footballers who dont play for the team they supported so thats not an excuse. The cunt is as disloyal as they come and the "he was always going to go back there" excuse doesnt wash.

[Power n Glory]

I dont get the "he was always going to go back to Barca" point either.

Why? Cos he supports them? You dont hear Ashley Young, Bent, Defoe etc pining for a move to Arsenal do you?

There are plenty of footballers who dont play for the team they supported so thats not an excuse. The cunt is as disloyal as they come and the "he was always going to go back there" excuse doesnt wash.

Those players are English.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, obviously in an ideal world he'd have stayed with us throughout his career but that was never going to happen.
He always made it clear he'd like to go back to Barca at some point.
Whether our failure in the last few years hastened his exit is debatable, it may have or maybe had we been successful he'd have wanted to move on to new challenges anyway. Who knows?
IMO we did the pragmatic thing this summer but we shouldn't have strung it out all summer to do it.

Barca are laughing at us in the media gloating about how they ripped us off on the Cesc deal. It's true Cesc wanted out, it's true he only wanted to go to Barca, it's also true he was on a long term contract, true as well we banked the money instead of spending it. Barca fucked us, our board and manager fucked us. The fans I mean. It's the fans who have lost out in this, seeing a world class player sold for peanuts and peanuts brought in to fill the gap. If we have a negotiating team that knew how to win in the transfer battles rather than get mugged and if we'd then spent the money to bring in a decent and long term replacement then I don't see that anyone would have a problem accepting the alleged inevitability of the move. People are pissed because we have got precisely zero out of the deal.

[Letters]

Then we should have sold him when he was just a teenager if he wasnt going to be loyal to us instead of building a team around a player who didnt want to be here.

It's not that he didn't want to be here, it's that he didn't want to spend his entire career at Arsenal. We always knew that and yes, making him captain was a mistake. But no, we shouldn't have sold him years ago because we got a lot of good years out of him.

No player is loyal to us, frankly most players aren't loyal to any club any more.

[Power n Glory]

I dont get the "he was always going to go back to Barca" point either.

Why? Cos he supports them? You dont hear Ashley Young, Bent, Defoe etc pining for a move to Arsenal do you?

There are plenty of footballers who dont play for the team they supported so thats not an excuse. The cunt is as disloyal as they come and the "he was always going to go back there" excuse doesnt wash.

Also, you are one of Wenger's biggest critics. It's the result of watching the same dross year in year out.

Don't you think it's possible for a player that's close to the club and Wenger to feel the same way? Why would a player that has been here for 8 years and lost 3 finals and watched the team blow 3 Prem League titles stay here for another 8 years?

[Cripps_orig]

Those players are English.

There are plenty of foreign players in England who dont pine for a move to the club they support.

They get on with it

[milla]

It's not that he didn't want to be here, it's that he didn't want to spend his entire career at Arsenal. We always knew that and yes, making him captain was a mistake. But no, we shouldn't have sold him years ago because we got a lot of good years out of him.

No player is loyal to us, frankly most players aren't loyal to any club any more.

Loyalty between club and players is two ways traffic, if one give less the other will walk away. :coffee:

[Letters]

Barca are laughing at us in the media gloating about how they ripped us off on the Cesc deal. It's true Cesc wanted out, it's true he only wanted to go to Barca, it's also true he was on a long term contract, true as well we banked the money instead of spending it. Barca fucked us, our board and manager fucked us. The fans I mean. It's the fans who have lost out in this, seeing a world class player sold for peanuts and peanuts brought in to fill the gap. If we have a negotiating team that knew how to win in the transfer battles rather than get mugged and if we'd then spent the money to bring in a decent and long term replacement then I don't see that anyone would have a problem accepting the alleged inevitability of the move. People are pissed because we have got precisely zero out of the deal.

We should have sorted it out sooner and bought a decent replacement. Otherwise I'm not sure what we could have done different.
We could have kept him but we'd just have had a disaffected player all year and we'd have had this all again next summer and with us in a weaker position with less time left on his contract.
Barca got him cheap 'cos they knew he'd only sign for them and they could afford to wait another year if they really had to.

[Niall_Quinn]

Also, you are one of Wenger's biggest critics. It's the result of watching the same dross year in year out.

Don't you think it's possible for a player that's close to the club and Wenger to feel the same way? Why would a player that has been here for 8 years and lost 3 finals and watched the team blow 3 Prem League titles stay here for another 8 years?

Yeah but why is it all about the financial realities one minute and then other considerations such as what the player wants becomes so important the next? We can't pay an extra few million for a quality player because it's the financial reality, don't you know? Then we can't realise the proper value of a player because suddenly it's about Cesc and what he wants.

[Cripps_orig]

Also, you are one of Wenger's biggest critics. It's the result of watching the same dross year in year out.

Don't you think it's possible for a player that's close to the club and Wenger to feel the same way? Why would a player that has been here for 8 years and lost 3 finals and watched the team blow 3 Prem League titles stay here for another 8 years?

You make it sound like he wasnt part of the dross. He was captain. He led the dross. He was the poster boy of the youth project and i doubt he was too critical of it cos he knows that without the project, he himself wouldnt have made the team.

[Letters]

Loyalty between club and players are two ways traffic, if one give less the other will walk away. :coffee:

We gave Cesc plenty, he gave us plenty. He didn't walk away because he was disloyal.

[milla]

Yeah but why is it all about the financial realities one minute and then other considerations such as what the player wants becomes so important the next? We can't pay an extra few million for a quality player because it's the financial reality, don't you know? Then we can't realise the proper value of a player because suddenly it's about Cesc and what he wants.

Well it is all about Wenger tbh. :coffee:

[Cripps_orig]

We should have sorted it out sooner and bought a decent replacement. Otherwise I'm not sure what we could have done different.
We could have kept him but we'd just have had a disaffected player all year and we'd have had this all again next summer and with us in a weaker position with less time left on his contract.
Barca got him cheap 'cos they knew he'd only sign for them and they could afford to wait another year if they really had to.

I dont think that really has anything to do with how cheap they got him. More to do with Wenger bending over. Cesc himself has said Wenger went to the board to tell them to lower the asking price.

Ive said it before. We should have put Cesc on the market, get £50m+ offers from City and/or Real and if Barca dont match that then we take Cesc to one side and tell him "We have £50m+ offer for you from a couple of clubs. You dont seriously expect us to sell you to Barca for half that do you? Be realistic"

It would have taken just a bit of manning up from Wenger and i have no doubt if Barca saw we were willing to sell to others, they'd have put up the money. They have overpaid before for ZLatan and some Ukranian defender they spent £20m+ on who only played a handful of games for them.

[milla]

We gave Cesc plenty, he gave us plenty. He didn't walk away because he was disloyal.

The club doesnt give him or in fact all of senior players enough. Especially in terms of strengthening the first team with quality players (to help exisiting players) and the club doesnt show (no action just talk) enough ambition to win titles. It's deluded for a club to ask our star players to stay when the club itself failed to match players ambition. How long do you think RVP or Vermaelan will want to play big brother for half of teenagers in our first team? :coffee:

[Letters]

@Ach

Yes, you have said that before but it didn't make sense then either.
He wasn't going to sign for anyone else. We knew it. Barca knew it. Everyone knew it, I doubt anyone else would have bothered bidding for him.

Wenger 'manned up' last summer and told Barca to do one and convinced Cesc to stay but we couldn't do that indefinitely and the ultimate conclusion would have been him going on a free in a few years. As I said people were already questioning his commitment last year, I don't think keeping him was a sensible option.

[milla]

I dont think that really has anything to do with how cheap they got him. More to do with Wenger bending over. Cesc himself has said Wenger went to the board to tell them to lower the asking price.

Ive said it before. We should have put Cesc on the market, get £50m+ offers from City and/or Real and if Barca dont match that then we take Cesc to one side and tell him "We have £50m+ offer for you from a couple of clubs. You dont seriously expect us to sell you to Barca for half that do you? Be realistic"

It would have taken just a bit of manning up from Wenger and i have no doubt if Barca saw we were willing to sell to others, they'd have put up the money. They have overpaid before for ZLatan and some Ukranian defender they spent £20m+ on who only played a handful of games for them.

:gp:

Getting £50m+ offers from City and/or Real doesnt mean we will sell to them but good enough to show Barcunts how much the player worth. Force them to man the feck up and pay the market value. Wenger got it really2 wrong tbh.

[Syn]

I dont think that really has anything to do with how cheap they got him. More to do with Wenger bending over. Cesc himself has said Wenger went to the board to tell them to lower the asking price.Ive said it before. We should have put Cesc on the market, get £50m+ offers from City and/or Real and if Barca dont match that then we take Cesc to one side and tell him "We have £50m+ offer for you from a couple of clubs. You dont seriously expect us to sell you to Barca for half that do you? Be realistic"It would have taken just a bit of manning up from Wenger and i have no doubt if Barca saw we were willing to sell to others, they'd have put up the money. They have overpaid before for ZLatan and some Ukranian defender they spent £20m+ on who only played a handful of games for them. :rolleyes: You don't believe any of that.

[Letters]

We wouldn't have got any offers. Why would anyone bid for a player who they know won't sign for them?
Everyone knew where he was going and he wasn't going anywhere else.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah but why is it all about the financial realities one minute and then other considerations such as what the player wants becomes so important the next? We can't pay an extra few million for a quality player because it's the financial reality, don't you know? Then we can't realise the proper value of a player because suddenly it's about Cesc and what he wants.

Because Wenger isn't being 100% truthful and nobody wants to sit under such dishonesty. The players are tired of the excuses and they've come out and said 'no more excuses'. Check Theo's and RVP's past few interviews. Wenger has run out of time.

He's able to convince the board to sell Cesc on the cheap but he can't convince them to adjust the wage policy. That makes no sense to me.

We might not know what's going on behind closed doors but the players do and they're walking.

[Niall_Quinn]

Because Wenger isn't being 100% truthful and nobody wants to sit under such dishonesty. The players are tired of the excuses and they've come out and said 'no more excuses'. Check Theo's and RVP's past few interviews. Wenger has run out of time.

He's able to convince the board to sell Cesc on the cheap but he can't convince them to adjust the wage policy. That makes no sense to me.

We might not know what's going on behind closed doors but the players do and they're walking.

Yep, RvP has been crystal clear and I fully expect him to walk in the summer. Which is fine because we have Chamakh. The Cesc screw-up compared to the wage limits makes perfect sense from a cynical perspective (which I think is all that counts at Arsenal these days). The former is money in, the latter money saved. It's the money out bit we struggle with.

[Cripps_orig]

:rolleyes: You don't believe any of that.

Yes i do

Ronaldo was always only going to go to Real.

Mancs got £80m+ for him. Im not saying we should have got that much for Cesc but when on form, he is the best CM in the world so £40m+ is a fair asking price, a price i believe Barca would have played had we played hardball but Wengers rep of bending over is well known throughout Europe and clubs know they can get our star players on the cheap.

[Letters]

Yep, RvP has been crystal clear and I fully expect him to walk in the summer. Which is fine because we have Chamakh.

:lol:


:(

[Power n Glory]

Robin will probably go to Madrid or Munich tbh. I know Mourinho likes him, wouldn't be surprise if he goes to Manu either. :coffee:

But when that time comes, people will be less understanding and call him disloyal.

It's unfair for a player to put his dreams on hold so the manager and board can balance the books. It's also unfair when the fans are paying for it.

It's okay for Wenger, regardless of the trophies, he has his name firmly stamped on Arsenal because this stadium and the foundations of the club have been built by him. He'll always be remembered. But for players, they don't have long careers and one game can change their fortunes forever. Look at RVP with all his injuries. Theo with his and I'm sure Cesc felt the clock ticking when he sat out for months watching football instead of playing.

[Marc Overmars]

Yes i do

Ronaldo was always only going to go to Real.

Mancs got £80m+ for him. Im not saying we should have got that much for Cesc but when on form, he is the best CM in the world so £40m+ is a fair asking price, a price i believe Barca would have played had we played hardball but Wengers rep of bending over is well known throughout Europe and clubs know they can get our star players on the cheap.

Don't you think we played hardball for long enough though? Barca were never going to pay over the odds because of some moral stance they had, they believed he was theirs anyway and had a divine right to him.

Utter cunts but there you go, we should have flogged him at the start of the summer, I think everyone knew we were unlikely to get 40m+ for him, considering Barca had already made 2-3 similar offers nowhere near in the region of what we wanted. This was our biggest mistake, clinging on to someone who clearly didn't want to play here anymore and you didn't need to be a club insider to know that.

Besides, 30, 40, 50? It doesn't matter what we got because it's evident we were still rummaging around in the bargain basement anyway.

[Cripps_orig]

Dont think we played hardball at all either this summer or last summer.

The only reason we didnt sell last summer was cos Barca didnt come up with the money we wanted. Its the same this summer, the difference being Cesc himself forced the issue and Wenger wouldnt do anything to harm his "son" and went to the board and told them to lower the asking price.

Yes we should have sold in May. Its a piss take that we waited all summer for him to go and still dont get a good price

[Darth Vela]

Because Wenger isn't being 100% truthful and nobody wants to sit under such dishonesty. The players are tired of the excuses and they've come out and said 'no more excuses'. Check Theo's and RVP's past few interviews. Wenger has run out of time.

He's able to convince the board to sell Cesc on the cheap but he can't convince them to adjust the wage policy. That makes no sense to me.

We might not know what's going on behind closed doors but the players do and they're walking.

All those comments about needing to make signings were made before we signed 5 players, things might be a little different now, although if we continue to fail or collapse miserably again next March then I think he'll be off if a decnet offer comes in.

[BOBN]

There are plenty of foreign players in England who dont pine for a move to the club they support.

They get on with it
its entirely about barca being the best in the world right now and us fagging. if we were invincibles status and they were scuttling around for a top 4 spot like they were at that time he would have been more than happy to support from afar.

it was a cop-out letting him go that cheap. yes I agree we should have encouraged and accepted outside bids. would have added credibility to our stance. cesc would have eventually been open to real madrid if the arsenal situation became untenable, just as he was reportedly open in 2006ish.

[BOBN]

here we go. cant believe we let this weasal dictate our transfer policy. when owen left real he was desperate for a move home to liverpool, he ended up at newcaste because they were te ones who came with the money. big club.

this plum woud have gone anywhere if we accepted a bid from real and told him his services were no longer wanted since he was having a destabilising effect. simple as that.


Cesc Fabregas: I did speak to Real Madrid but I’m staying at Arsenal


Arsenal fans will be delighted to learn that Cesc Fabregas has turned down a move to Real Madrid and pledged his future to Arsenal. The 20-year-old Spanish midfielder had been linked with a return to his native country for several weeks and the speculation wouldn’t go away. Fabregas revealed he has spoken to Real, but was persuaded to stay at Arsenal by Arsene Wenger.
Cesc said: ‘I spoke to Real’s president Ramon Calderon and sport director Predrag Mijatovic and they are spectacular people… It was very satisfying to listen to them as Real Madrid is a great club but I have decided to stay at Arsenal.’

[McNamara That Ghost...]

That doesn't suggest to me he realistically considered going to Real Madrid. I don't think it ever was a realistic option, no matter how much Real Madrid might have wanted it.

[Syn]

Yes i doRonaldo was always only going to go to Real.Mancs got £80m+ for him. Im not saying we should have got that much for Cesc but when on form, he is the best CM in the world so £40m+ is a fair asking price, a price i believe Barca would have played had we played hardball but Wengers rep of bending over is well known throughout Europe and clubs know they can get our star players on the cheap. Ronaldo was, and is, a much, much better player. Also I don't believe he only would've gone to real Madrid...barca would've been an option at a lower price. But mostly it's the 474738 goals a season thing why ronaldo went for a lot. Cesc last season was garbage.

[BOBN]

We wouldn't have got any offers. Why would anyone bid for a player who they know won't sign for them?
Everyone knew where he was going and he wasn't going anywhere else.
you gotta grease the wheels a bit. what on earth is the point of having highly-paid executives if they cant do shyt and treat football like its a game of championship manager. youre dealing with people not computers. this is how it goes....

- you call up the reals mover-and-shaker and say "hey m8, i know youve heard cesc will only do barca but he is now on te open market for £45m, those cunts down the road cant afford him. we would encourage you to put in an official bid as the chances of success are quite high as we'd do all we could to tilt him in your direction. plus when reality dawns he will warm to the idea of playing for the biggest club in the world"

- bid comes in

- we strip cesc of the captaincy, if it was 2010 we buy ozil and tell cesc he is the new central playmaker and that he is no longer wanted at the club ad we never really rated him that much anyway.

- if we had ultras we'd put a word in and tell them to have a word with the fabregas family like they do in argentina. here we can use our middle class twitter warriors. basically just need a bit of third-party pressure for him to fack off out of it.

- £45m in the back pocket, job done. and if he wouldnt accept real he would defo accept a rival bid from ac/inter milan as a 2-3 year stop-gap just to get out of arsenal.

[Syn]

you gotta grease the wheels a bit. what on earth is te point of having highly-paid executives if they cant do shyt and treat football like its a game of championship manager. youre dealing with people not computers. this is how it goes....- you call up the reals mover-and-shaker and say "hey m8, i know youve heard cesc will only do barca but he is now on te open market for £45m, those cunts down the road cant afford him. we would encourage you to put in an official bid as the chances of success are quite high as we'd do all we could to tilt him in your direction. plus when reality dawns he will warm to the idea of playing for the biggest club in the world"- bid comes in- we strip cesc of the captaincy, if it was 2010 we buy ozil and tell cesc he is the new central playmaker and that he is no longer wanted at the club ad we ever really rated him that much anyway.- if we had ultras we'd put a word in and tell them to have a word with the fabregas family like they do in argentina. here we can use our middle class twitter warriors. basically just need a bit of third-party pressure for him to fack off out of it.- £45m in the back pocket, job done. and if he wouldnt accet real he would defo accept a rival bid from ac/inter milan as a 2-3 year stop-gap just to get out of arsenal. VITA thinking. I like it. It, of course, breaks all kinds of human rights or terrorism laws but it would work.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He'd have refused to sign for City or Real, brain of Britain.

So your brilliant idea is to tell Cesc Barca don't really want him? Really? Cos yeah, he doesn't know anyone at Barca and us telling him that would definitely have convinced him to sign for another club.

:doh:

You don't sound convinced.

[IBK]

Lots of great points here.

Personally, I think that a RM move for Fabregas would not have been impossible - this is a commercial world. RM has the rep and the likelihood of winning things and is Spanish.

I'm not going to put all the blame on AW because I think Fabregas himself is at fault for making it too easy for the club he is really loyal to, and the manager was in a very very difficult situation.

But where Wenger was at 'fault' was in being too honourable to Fabregas and willing to accomodate his wishes. An admirable loyal quality maybe, but one that betrays a relationship that is too close to the player, and what is more is another example of how his principles come first, and the interests of the club second. Wenger may have thought that he's made the club enough money for a discount fee not to be an issue, but for me this isn;t the point.

[gunnerrrrr]

Lots of great points here.

Personally, I think that a RM move for Fabregas would not have been impossible - this is a commercial world. RM has the rep and the likelihood of winning things and is Spanish.

I'm not going to put all the blame on AW because I think Fabregas himself is at fault for making it too easy for the club he is really loyal to, and the manager was in a very very difficult situation.

But where Wenger was at 'fault' was in being too honourable to Fabregas and willing to accomodate his wishes. An admirable loyal quality maybe, but one that betrays a relationship that is too close to the player, and what is more is another example of how his principles come first, and the interests of the club second. Wenger may have thought that he's made the club enough money for a discount fee not to be an issue, but for me this isn;t the point.
look at the Tevez situation and the fee City demanded, now look at us and Cesc....you are right mate we were fucked thanks to Wenger

If Barca did not pay the right value then Cesc should have been forced to stay like TEVEZ

[Olivier's xmas twist]

look at the Tevez situation and the fee City demanded, now look at us and Cesc....you are right mate we were fucked thanks to Wenger

If Barca did not pay the right value then Cesc should have been forced to stay like TEVEZ

So should we have kept him and let him play shit for another season then, because he nev er would have given his all. And all than dump him in the reseves, would never have happend.

Yeh We were silly to sell him for a low price but we had no choice he only wanted to go to one club anyway. The clubs hands were tied.

[Niall_Quinn]

So should we have kept him and let him play shit for another season then, because he nev er would have given his all. And all than dump him in the reseves, would never have happend.

Yeh We were silly to sell him for a low price but we had no choice he only wanted to go to one club anyway. The clubs hands were tied.

Clubs hands weren't tied, they were reaching, grabbing, clawing for cash as usual.

[gunnerrrrr]

Clubs hands weren't tied, they were reaching, grabbing, clawing for cash as usual.
Spot on.

We reek of greed and desperation, you only have to take one look at that jubba the hut look alike Peter Hill-Wood.

[Xhaka Can’t]

look at the Tevez situation and the fee City demanded, now look at us and Cesc....you are right mate we were fucked thanks to Wenger

If Barca did not pay the right value then Cesc should have been forced to stay like TEVEZ

Yeah because, like City we can just piss away money on disaffected players.