Match Reaction Gypos 2-2 Unambitious Skinflints - WENGER OUT!

[Niall_Quinn]

FUCK OFF WENGER

GET OUT YOU FUCKING LOSER

[Kano]

3rd place sorted.

Another season of Wenger lies ahead.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Going two seasons without finishing 4th. :o

It can't be on, can it?

[Niall_Quinn]

First thing to get out of the way.

Taylor is a fucking cheat. The amount of fouls he ignored or didn't get his card out for was unbelievable. The amount of shirt pulling, holding, two footed tackles, he ignored it all. And then booked Gabriel for his first offence. Took the cunt 91 minutes to finally book that fouling machine Fernandinho. That guy should have had 15 yellows. So should Otamendi. Fucking outrageous.

Levels up, my arse. A whole season of cheating shit from this cunt.

[Marc Overmars]

Same rubbish we've been witnessing for half the season, what a horrible slog it is to watch us try and construct some decent passages of play.

Oh well, a good point that should wrap up 3rd. Yay.

City. :haha:
What a fuck up.

[Kano]

Pep :lol:

[Master Splinter]

Giroud is Man Citeh's Drogba. He gives them a torrid time.

Agent Clichy :bow:.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Oh yeah, Citeh. :haha:

Do you reckon Pep will say fuck that contract if they fail to make CL?

[Niall_Quinn]

Second thing.

Wenger is a fucking loser.

He's the biggest loser in world football, the biggest loser in all sport. I have never seen a man who claims to love competitive sport be so unambitious. The way he celebrated that shocking shit show at the end, what a disgrace. The Coquelin substitution. Appalling.

He's a cancer. Killing everything that was good about this club, rotting it out from the inside. Spreading his disease to every nook and cranny to the extent it's impossible to cut him out.

There's nothing left. He's destroyed out all.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Jesus NQ.

[Marc Overmars]

I don't know why people fear Simeone so much when you see how negative Wenger has become, at least Simeone's pragmatism could possibly elevate us to a new level.

[Niall_Quinn]

Third thing.

Giroud and Walcott are lazy, lazy, lazy bastards. Thieves. It's a joke we have these turds at this club, they wouldn't get within a mile of any half decent club. They need to be kicked out the door as an absolute priority come the summer.

But with the mega loser we have in charge, it won't happen.

[Kano]

City players lamely walking round an empty stadium :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pellegrin on the mic - tell them to stick it up your bollocks!

[AFC Leveller]

Fernandinho gets away with so many fouls it's bordering on corruption. How can refs not notice his blatant scroting?

Mind you we have bigger issues, we are stuck with this fool, the way he celebrated at the end was embarrassing, I bet he has a bonus for finishing top 4, it's all he cares about.

Ramsay was toilet again, walcott is such a bad bad player, he is so out of his depth. Bellerin was our best player I thought.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsenal's Jack Wilshere, speaking to Sky Sports: "That point could be big, if we can win our home games. City are a good team and you don’t really want to fall a goal behind. But we showed character, we’ve got dangerous player son the break and Sanchez came up with it.

"We knew we’d have a lot of possession and throughout the game we felt comfortable and that we might hit them on the break.

"It was great to play, but a shame to come on for an injured player, especially someone like Danny. But to play in a game like this with such intensity was great for me."

What's he smoking? (Legit question in his case).

[Kano]

I don't know why people fear Simeone so much when you see how negative Wenger has become, at least Simeone's pragmatism could possibly elevate us to a new level.

Because it shouldn't have to be a choice between dull and duller. We've slated Maureen for his shit football over the years and that isn't the only way to win. It's funny watching Atleti undermine the two mega cunt teams in Spain but they're hardly doing it with finesse or anything that is exciting.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fourth thing.

We have no tactics. None. We have no plan. Nothing. This is the worst football I have seen at Arsenal since some of the darker days under Terry Neill, and even then there were a few crumbs of comfort.

There's nothing here.

Our style is - nothing. We play nothing ball. Pointless, aimless, soul crushing shit ball. The space we gave that useless bunch of gypos today. The way we stroll around the pitch (Welbeck and Alexis excluded). The body language, telegraphing the fact they just don't give a fuck.

That was not a good typo side we were up against. A half competent manager could have sent out an average bunch of players and taken 3 points today. Our idiot didn't even try. He's already celebrating his latest also-ran trophy.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger, spaeking to Sky Sports: "I was surprised by the intensity of City's start. We expected an intense game but they really came out with strong pressure. The good thing is that we absorbed it and we've shown good character today.

"Man City today decided to give a big present to Pellegrini in his last home game - they were on fire. When it was 1-1 it didn’t look like we would score but when we were 2-1 down we looked hungry and dangerous again. The players wanted not to lose.

"When it was 2-1 I wanted to bring on Cazorla to get greater fluency, but at 2-2 I went for a bit more security because they had a number of attacking players on, like Bony and Sterling.

"We have to finish the job now in the league against Villa - we want to finish the season with a win at home."

Wumger, the ultimate flame fanner.

[dostoy]

NQ you need to switch to decaff.

I have just watched the goals and Giroud was good today for a change and must play like that far more often, because of course he will be here next season.

I am amazed we got a point and that confirms 3rd place at least maybe second but I very much doubt it, all Spuds need is a point against Newcastle as their goal difference is much better than ours.

I want Wenger out as well, I genuinely would rather have Pellegrini.

[Munchies]

DT was involved in a fight after he took out a banner. Apparently he's been arrested

Arsenal employed stewards at the game and he snuck one in, displayed it and it kicked off

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch8i93RWwAACoht.jpg

Vid : https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/729357290831282177

:haha:

[Globalgunner]

We would have won that game if we didnt have useless shit like Walcott playing for us. Why Campbell does not play ahead of him only the madman can say. An opportunity to chip Hart for 2-2 and he bottled it as he always does. I know England are bad but surely Walcott and his ilk should never be in contention.
Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud, Wilshere in the same team. Then add Wenger to the mix. It was a good result with that team we had. City are worse than us.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Away: Two goals against Man Utd, Man City, Tottenham, three against West Ham, three against Liverpool yet didn't win a single one of those games.

Goalscoring is pitiful at the Emirates.

There's always something glaringly obvious with us.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fuck off out of the club Jack!

This had nothing to do with getting 3rd or 4th. This had everything to do with handing back a tiny fucking consolation to the fans you've robbed. You sat and watched the spuds lose. And then you put in a fucking shit show like that! Piss off mate. 3 points today or shut the fuck up. Nothing else was acceptable after the shit that has been served up this season.

Enjoy the cash you fucking thief.

[Niall_Quinn]

DT was involved in a fight after he took out a banner. Apparently he's been arrested

Arsenal employed stewards at the game and he snuck one in, displayed it and it kicked off

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch8i93RWwAACoht.jpg

Vid : https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/729357290831282177

:haha:


Some queer Wengerbot took offence at their deity being blasphemed against I suppose. Poor little cocksuckers.

[Marc Overmars]

Because it shouldn't have to be a choice between dull and duller. We've slated Maureen for his shit football over the years and that isn't the only way to win. It's funny watching Atleti undermine the two mega cunt teams in Spain but they're hardly doing it with finesse or anything that is exciting.

It's not a choice between dull and duller. It's a choice between someone who's relevant in the game today and someone who's not. Give Simeone (or any promising manager) a platform like Arsenal and you open up a world of opportunity.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wumger, the ultimate flame fanner.

Every time he opens his mouth it's another nail in the coffin of those who claim he's competent. Plainly he's not. The gypos were on fire? Fucking moron.

[Kano]

DT was involved in a fight after he took out a banner. Apparently he's been arrested

Arsenal employed stewards at the game and he snuck one in, displayed it and it kicked off

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch8i93RWwAACoht.jpg

Vid : https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/729357290831282177

:haha:

Great. The perfect excuse for another bullshit video to clog up the Internet.

[Kano]

It's not a choice between dull and duller. It's a choice between someone who's relevant in the game today and someone who's not. Give Simeone (or any promising manager) a platform like Arsenal and you open up a world of opportunity.

Absolutely another manager. Just not Simeone.

[Master Splinter]

I think it's worth Wenger staying on for few more years to witness the complete mental disintegration of N_Q live on GW.

[Niall_Quinn]

There he goes - bigging up Giroud. His 1 in 19 hot shot. Cheapskate! Skinflint! Thief!

Get out Wenger, while it is at least a little civilised.

[Munchies]

Wenger celebrating 3rd place vid
https://twitter.com/tonyafc66/status/729355804487368705

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger celebrating 3rd place vid
https://twitter.com/tonyafc66/status/729355804487368705

:lol:

World's supreme loser.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I hope our 4th place guaranteed parade doesn't overshadow Leicester's.

[Munchies]

Wenger on Giroud: "He had a great game today, his best for a while. He was sharp and focused. We saw the real Olivier Giroud."

No striker again :doh:

[milla]

Wenger on Giroud: "He had a great game today, his best for a while. He was sharp and focused. We saw the real Olivier Giroud."

No striker again :doh:

WTF are you on about, Giroud's hair and beard are world class today. Fuck that football shite, nobody cares :coffee:

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the story with Ozil? Are they going with injury for now? Anyone know who he's going to? Not a PL club I hope.

[Munchies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch8_WVjWkAABpH6.jpg

Some say I got arrested, no im busy chatting to this guy

Titi :bow:
DT :bow:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Another angle of the DT scuffle

Vids

https://twitter.com/JasperPlunkett/status/729360890525589504

https://twitter.com/GrimsOfficial/status/729362177673572353

'One Arsene Wenger'

FUCKING MELTS chanting that

I don't know, I think they are doing it to get a reaction from that wally DT and it worked

I'll blame Wenger for a lot of things but not for those cretins pushing each other like a pair of school boys

[Kano]

That looks like the least appreciated selfie ever.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't know, I think they are doing it to get a reaction from that wally DT and it worked

I'll blame Wenger for a lot of things but not for those cretins pushing each other like a pair of school boys

A couple of the Wengerbots started on his son, so he stepped in. Thought he showed a lot of restraint really. Bottom line, if these wankers can't stand another fan having an opinion they need to find some club where the fans are more tightly monitored to ensure they are all on the one message. That's not Arsenal, yet. I hear the corporate cocks had asked stewards to hunt the banners down, so maybe the Wengeroids will get their wish soon. Cunts.

[Munchies]

Not DT but :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch8_wxdXIAIQOos.jpg

:haha:

[Marc Overmars]

Wenger celebrating 3rd place vid
https://twitter.com/tonyafc66/status/729355804487368705

:lol:

In fairness to the old goat he's probably happy we don't have to bother with the play off, especially after a tournament where preparation can be all over the place. Plus it might make signing players (:haha:) more straight forward.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

A couple of the Wengerbots started on his son, so he stepped in. Thought he showed a lot of restraint really. Bottom line, if these wankers can't stand another fan having an opinion they need to find some club where the fans are more tightly monitored to ensure they are all on the one message. That's not Arsenal, yet. I hear the corporate cocks had asked stewards to hunt the banners down, so maybe the Wengeroids will get their wish soon. Cunts.

Started on his son? The guy can't be any older than me how old is his son?

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The police are wrestling folk to the ground for having polite banners expressing dissatisfaction....

Fuhk me is this really a democracy? WTF!....

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Pellegrin on the mic - tell them to stick it up your bollocks!

There were only about 7 people left to hear it anyway.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Pellegrin. :lol:

Me.

[GP]

Started on his son? The guy can't be any older than me how old is his son?

25

[Kano]

The police are wrestling folk to the ground for having polite banners expressing dissatisfaction....

Fuhk me is this really a democracy? WTF!....
It hasn't been a proper democracy for quite sometime now.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

But seriously though what's the deal here......

You can want Wenger out....as long as you keep those thoughts to yourselves at all times in public.

It reminds me of certain Arab countries where you basically can't speak a bad word about the King in public!

[GP]

But seriously though what's the deal here......

You can want Wenger out....as long as you keep those thoughts to yourselves at all times in public.

It reminds me of certain Arab countries where you basically can't speak a bad word about the King in public!

I doubt they were arrested for holding up a sign.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They weren't, this guy was kicking off (literally) because he was being abusive to another away fan for not wanting to be in picture being taken of him holding Wenger out sign.

The more this kind of nonsense behaviour continues, the longer Wenger is going to have a convenient scapegoat

[Marc Overmars]

Whatever went on, it's fucking sad how divided the fans are now. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but when you're physically enraged by it then you need to take a step back and have a look in the mirror.

Sad wankers.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Whatever went on, it's fucking sad how divided the fans are now. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but when you're physically enraged by it then you need to take a step back and have a look in the mirror.

Sad wankers.

Once again I find myself in agreement with you, are you stealing my thoughts?

[alexander]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ch8_WVjWkAABpH6.jpg

Some say I got arrested, no im busy chatting to this guy

Titi :bow:
DT :bow:

who is this guy, and why does he have hair like Tintin?

[Kano]

That is basically that Henry is thinking, yes.

[Marc Overmars]

On another note, it seems like United are pretty excited at the prospect of finishing 4th. How times change. :coffee:

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VP6a_acGqM

Poor Claude being threatened at games now.

State of these idiot fans

LMao at that melt getting rekt by Claude

IDIOT

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=115gVlz_EKs

[Niall_Quinn]

I doubt they were arrested for holding up a sign.

He wasn't arrested at all. He was escorted out by the corporatiods. He was displaying anomalous behavioural patterns that were not conducive to maximum profitisation and public relations sanitation. I believe the Wengerbot cunts were allowed to remain in the ground - on their knees, mouths open I assume.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lWaz4PooPM

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VP6a_acGqM

Poor Claude being threatened at games now.

State of these idiot fans

LMao at that melt getting rekt by Claude

IDIOT


Claude will be back next season. How can he be on AFTV if he's not at the games?

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPK_QUwa4UA

good vid this

[Power n Glory]

What's going on with this club? It's really turning for the worst. Seeing police wrestle banners away from fans, fighting in the stands and that absolute prick on Arsenal Fan TV and I don't mean Tye and Claude..

I can't support this sort of shit. The manager and Board are an absolute disgrace. It goes beyond football and I'd love to see the lot of them ruined. It's just a shame it means the club goes with them. Absolute thieving scumbags.

[Munchies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cJF3FJgak

[Munchies]

What's going on with this club? It's really turning for the worst. Seeing police wrestle banners away from fans, fighting in the stands and that absolute prick on Arsenal Fan TV and I don't mean Tye and Claude..

I can't support this sort of shit. The manager and Board are an absolute disgrace. It goes beyond football and I'd love to see the lot of them ruined. It's just a shame it means the club goes with them. Absolute thieving scumbags.

:gp:

I honestly don't know anymore. The pride has been taken out of the club. Fans fighting amongst each other is becoming a regular occurrence.

Ty was actually speaking sense too! That idiot behind them though....

[Niall_Quinn]

:gp:

I honestly don't know anymore. The pride has been taken out of the club. Fans fighting amongst each other is becoming a regular occurrence.

Ty was actually speaking sense too! That idiot behind them though....

Fans aren't fighting with each other. Fans are fighting Wengerdrones, different thing.

Here's the bottom line. Football is supposed to be a competitive sport -> SPORT! You are either in it to win it or no in it at all. We actually have an owner that says he's not bothered if we win, he's not here for that. He's said it out straight. He doesn't make a secret of it.

This cunt has a manager who also doesn't give a shit about winning. We saw that again today when the sad loser was celebrating dropping 2 points directly after the spuds had dropped 3. We've seen it over and over and over from this manager. That's why he goes cheap in the transfer market, winning is not his objective. His objective is to meet financial targets, qualifying for the multi-millions CL being the absolute priority. The manager can't even be bothered to coach the team, train them, improve them, give them a plan, send them out with tactics. He doesn't do any of that shit.

So how are you a football fan if you support two money grabbing gits like Kroenke and Wenger?

You can't be. You're no Arsenal fan if you are signing for Wenger because if you don't care whether the clubs wins or not, provided it makes money, then you are't supporting the club in a football sense. You are supporting it in a financial sense, sure. But that's not a fan - it's a customer.

So next time you hear them singing for Wenger, remember what they are really singing. They are singing for the continued demise of the club. No wonder real fans despise them. Subservient cunts.

[Munchies]

Fans aren't fighting with each other. Fans are fighting Wengerdrones, different thing.

Here's the bottom line. Football is supposed to be a competitive sport -> SPORT! You are either in it to win it or no in it at all. We actually have an owner that says he's not bothered if we win, he's not here for that. He's said it out straight. He doesn't make a secret of it.

This cunt has a manager who also doesn't give a shit about winning. We saw that again today when the sad loser was celebrating dropping 2 points directly after the spuds had dropped 3. We've seen it over and over and over from this manager. That's why he goes cheap in the transfer market, winning is not his objective. His objective is to meet financial targets, qualifying for the multi-millions CL being the absolute priority. The manager can't even be bothered to coach the team, train them, improve them, give them a plan, send them out with tactics. He doesn't do any of that shit.

So how are you a football fan if you support two money grabbing gits like Kroenke and Wenger?

You can't be. You're no Arsenal fan if you are signing for Wenger because if you don't care whether the clubs wins or not, provided it makes money, then you are't supporting the club in a football sense. You are supporting it in a financial sense, sure. But that's not a fan - it's a customer.

So next time you hear them singing for Wenger, remember what they are really singing. They are singing for the continued demise of the club. No wonder real fans despise them. Subservient cunts.

good post.

we need something major to happen to overhaul it all

[Özim]

Second thing.

Wenger is a fucking loser.

He's the biggest loser in world football, the biggest loser in all sport. I have never seen a man who claims to love competitive sport be so unambitious. The way he celebrated that shocking shit show at the end, what a disgrace. The Coquelin substitution. Appalling.

Honestly celebrating top 4, what a sad loser, sums him up, he's not a winner, winning for him is getting top 4 and collecting his paycheck.

[Özim]

A couple of the Wengerbots started on his son, so he stepped in. Thought he showed a lot of restraint really. Bottom line, if these wankers can't stand another fan having an opinion they need to find some club where the fans are more tightly monitored to ensure they are all on the one message. That's not Arsenal, yet. I hear the corporate cocks had asked stewards to hunt the banners down, so maybe the Wengeroids will get their wish soon. Cunts.

Idiots who fight because the don't agree with someone opinions, what sad little men seriously, not a brain cell between them.

[Niall_Quinn]

Idiots who fight because the don't agree with someone opinions, what sad little men seriously, not a brain cell between them.

Joke is, these arseholes who can't stand anyone having an opinion different to theirs reckon protest isn't "classy". But abusing anyone who wants to hold a banner up suggesting Wenger's time is up, physically threatening them, working hand in hand with Corporate Arsenal's goon squad to get protest banners confiscated - that's all real classy I guess. Pro-Wenger banners were not confiscated. Pro-Wenger drones were not threatened or abused. The fun and games of Claude and Ty going at it verbally, with everyone knowing it was a laugh, have been replaced by the sinister antics of these "loyal" Wengerbots who have brought a nasty turn to the proceedings - as predicted a few weeks back but I didn't think it would happen so fast. With the appearance of official goons I don't doubt these brown shirts and the club are working hand in hand, but in that unofficial capacity that is the signature of corporate entities that don't want to get their public image all muddy.

Underneath it all at the foundation, this is not about winning trophies or competing - a club of Arsenal's stature and reputation should be doing that by default, why are we even demanding what should be the very basis of our participation in a competitive sport? The real argument is about theft. The theft of a club by owners who couldn't give a shit about the club beyond how much value they can extract from it, a manger who is a bare faced liar and as big a thief as any, and way too many players who couldn't give a shit either, provided they are paid totally unreasonable amounts for their frankly limited skill set (or non-existent in the case of players like Walnut). The fans have finally grown tired of this theft, of being robbed. The Wengerdrones are the enforcers who don't seem to care how many times they take it up the hole provided their worship of the Wenger deity is not interrupted.

Next season is going to be positively poisonous. Can you imagine any other club putting up with this? Is there another club out there that doesn't give a flying fuck about the football? I can't think of one. We are unique - the ultimate Corporate bastard.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What's going on with this club? It's really turning for the worst. Seeing police wrestle banners away from fans, fighting in the stands and that absolute prick on Arsenal Fan TV and I don't mean Tye and Claude..

I can't support this sort of shit. The manager and Board are an absolute disgrace. It goes beyond football and I'd love to see the lot of them ruined. It's just a shame it means the club goes with them. Absolute thieving scumbags.

The manager and board are responsible for pretty much everything going on at this club, but I don't see how they are responsible for atavistic behaviour between fans. It doesn't matter if they are Wenger in or Wenger Out if they can't express themselves without behaving like hominids whose responsibility is that other than the individuals themselves.
I appreciate that people had their banners taken away before going into the ground which seemed totally unnecessary but again I repeat if they cannot bear to hear chants or see signs that hold opposing views to their own without going into meltdown, the problem is them and not the club.

[Power n Glory]

I'm not trying to spark a nature vs nurture debate. We're on the wrong path as a club and that boils down to leadership at management and Board level. This sort of split between the fans may be felt for a long time.

[Kano]

The manager and board are responsible for pretty much everything going on at this club, but I don't see how they are responsible for atavistic behaviour between fans. It doesn't matter if they are Wenger in or Wenger Out if they can't express themselves without behaving like hominids whose responsibility is that other than the individuals themselves.
I appreciate that people had their banners taken away before going into the ground which seemed totally unnecessary but again I repeat if they cannot bear to hear chants or see signs that hold opposing views to their own without going into meltdown, the problem is them and not the club.

If grown men can't handle their own emotions then that comes down to them. It's a football club for Christ sake. The weakest always find someone else to justify their own failings.

[Gooner23]

Its all getting ridiculous, from internet warriors and wannabe social media z-listers to now actual fighting within the fans. Honestly I am embarrassed by it all, and just another reason for me to switch off completely next season. In fact I haven't really watched or followed any of our games since the United one, instead choosing to spend my weekends out doing other things. Have I missed it, not one bit.

I want Wenger to leave as much as anyone, but it really isn't worth getting that angry about.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not trying to spark a nature vs nurture debate. We're on the wrong path as a club and that boils down to leadership at management and Board level. This sort of split between the fans may be felt for a long time.

There is no need for any such debate, if fans can't behave themselves it's on them it's as simple as that.

[Kano]

Its all getting ridiculous, from internet warriors and wannabe social media z-listers to now actual fighting within the fans. Honestly I am embarrassed by it all, and just another reason for me to switch off completely next season. In fact I haven't really watched or followed any of our games since the United one, instead choosing to spend my weekends out doing other things. Have I missed it, not one bit.

I want Wenger to leave as much as anyone, but it really isn't worth getting that angry about.
This isn't just Arsenal culture. It's Internet culture in general, where the opposing person has be proven wrong, at all costs. It's no surprise this happens with the away fans as they are the hardcore section, who live and breathe it all week before the game, whereas the majority at home games do not. You've had Liverpool fans accused of robbing each other of tickets in the past, Everton fans accused of infighting this season - it's pretty pathetic to watch grown men get that worked up and then go home to their kids at night.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not as pathetic as the alternative. Too many people around here involved in a maturity contest, without stopping to figure out what maturity is. Moh is leading the charge as usual.

Mature is great. Let's all do that. Let's be reasonable, let's talk about it, let's come to a compromise. Say what? You WON'T be reasonable, you DON'T want to discuss it? Thank you for my interest in your affairs? WTF? Hey fucker! Didn't I just pay your wages? Now listen up!

But this is increasingly the same in all walks of life. Pay to be abused, pay to have the piss taken out of you, suffer the greed of greedy cunts who aren't pretending to deliver any more.

From expense thieving politicians who promise right up until you fucking go and vote for the cunt... again :doh:

Through corporate rapists who corner the market and squeeeeeze, especially your wages if you are unfortunate enough to work (do the actual work) for the cunts. Hey, we're putting up our prices again because we lost a lot of fucking cash at the casino... but we'll be ringing you twice as much with marketing calls so now you're getting even more value!

All the way to Arsenal. The club the financial boys love to highlight as the ideal. Of course they do. We intimately know why, ouch.

So that's the world we live in. Those who make, those who take. Same as it ever was but just ten times more blatant and in your face. Now who was it that was talking about football as an escape? Not if you're an Arsenal fan. Being an Arsenal fan is like having the boss around on the weekend to shag your wife in front of you while you cook his steak and mix his drinks. Not the great escape by any means. Arsenal fans would probably pine for Monday were it not from the merciless teasing from opposition fans who laugh about the shit we eat, who can't believe how most of us are actually fucking proud of how badly we are being fucked. They chant, "We want you to stay...", when they see Wenger. Of course they do. They know a good thing when they see it and deluded Arsenal fans thinking they are on to a good thing with Wenger is music to every other fan in football, and sweet, sweet melody to the greedy cunts who have hijacked the club.

So anyway. We were talking about PATHETIC. Would it really be such a terrible thing to slap some of these zombie around the face? Are they capable of waking? Who knows after all these years, but maybe it's worth a try.

For the really mature crowd the answer seems to be okay, they robbed your club, they fucked you up the arse hard until you bled. Best thing you can do is skulk away. That's show them who's boss!

Brits are fucking pathetic. That's what's pathetic. Provided racial inclusiveness and gender equality is observed to the letter, rape them and rob them and they will fucking love you for it. They'll even stick up for you if one of your victims squeals. In chorus, "Oh do shut up, be mature about this, we're British for heaven's sake! WE fought a war!"

For myself, it's not worth supporting this shit show of a club any more. This isn't the thick and thin we are used to enjoying and enduring in equal measure - this is something entirely similar to all the other crap that surrounds us. Be loyal to that? Fuck off! I'll support the guys who have decided to stand up and politely suggest it is time for something other than subservience and apologies from the victims. Seems the least pathetic thing to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

If grown men can't handle their own emotions then that comes down to them. It's a football club for Christ sake. The weakest always find someone else to justify their own failings.


The weakest always say, thank you sir may I please have another? Look around you. They sing God save the queen at football matches FFS!

[Niall_Quinn]

Idiots who fight because the don't agree with someone opinions, what sad little men seriously, not a brain cell between them.

Scrapping with each other in the street while the well heeled are tutting from an upstairs window - I agree, that's as thick as you like. But walking up the stairs for a dust up, that's long overdue and the only smart play being left open to people.

[Niall_Quinn]

The manager and board are responsible for pretty much everything going on at this club, but I don't see how they are responsible for atavistic behaviour between fans. It doesn't matter if they are Wenger in or Wenger Out if they can't express themselves without behaving like hominids whose responsibility is that other than the individuals themselves.
I appreciate that people had their banners taken away before going into the ground which seemed totally unnecessary but again I repeat if they cannot bear to hear chants or see signs that hold opposing views to their own without going into meltdown, the problem is them and not the club.

I don't think there was actually any fighting, was there? Not unless you class flicking handbags at each other as fighting. We are still a long, long way from the 70s and 80s I think. I'm not sure if the Nivea men are genuinely up for it anyway. How would they fight? Look for a steward to be restrained by and then launch into a, "I'm 'aving you mate!", song and dance routine? Maybe chuck their sandwiches around a bit?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't think there was actually any fighting, was there? Not unless you class flicking handbags at each other as fighting. We are still a long, long way from the 70s and 80s I think. I'm not sure if the Nivea men are genuinely up for it anyway. How would they fight? Look for a steward to be restrained by and then launch into a, "I'm 'aving you mate!", song and dance routine? Maybe chuck their sandwiches around a bit?

Well no if they had actually engaged in proper fisticuffs I'd have been all up for the police to give them a proper battering.....if they want to kill each other that's one thing but take it elsewhere. This is why such words like pathetic are sufficient to describe the situation.

[Power n Glory]

It's not as pathetic as the alternative. Too many people around here involved in a maturity contest, without stopping to figure out what maturity is. Moh is leading the charge as usual.

Mature is great. Let's all do that. Let's be reasonable, let's talk about it, let's come to a compromise. Say what? You WON'T be reasonable, you DON'T want to discuss it? Thank you for my interest in your affairs? WTF? Hey fucker! Didn't I just pay your wages? Now listen up!

But this is increasingly the same in all walks of life. Pay to be abused, pay to have the piss taken out of you, suffer the greed of greedy cunts who aren't pretending to deliver any more.

From expense thieving politicians who promise right up until you fucking go and vote for the cunt... again :doh:

Through corporate rapists who corner the market and squeeeeeze, especially your wages if you are unfortunate enough to work (do the actual work) for the cunts. Hey, we're putting up our prices again because we lost a lot of fucking cash at the casino... but we'll be ringing you twice as much with marketing calls so now you're getting even more value!

All the way to Arsenal. The club the financial boys love to highlight as the ideal. Of course they do. We intimately know why, ouch.

So that's the world we live in. Those who make, those who take. Same as it ever was but just ten times more blatant and in your face. Now who was it that was talking about football as an escape? Not if you're an Arsenal fan. Being an Arsenal fan is like having the boss around on the weekend to shag your wife in front of you while you cook his steak and mix his drinks. Not the great escape by any means. Arsenal fans would probably pine for Monday were it not from the merciless teasing from opposition fans who laugh about the shit we eat, who can't believe how most of us are actually fucking proud of how badly we are being fucked. They chant, "We want you to stay...", when they see Wenger. Of course they do. They know a good thing when they see it and deluded Arsenal fans thinking they are on to a good thing with Wenger is music to every other fan in football, and sweet, sweet melody to the greedy cunts who have hijacked the club.

So anyway. We were talking about PATHETIC. Would it really be such a terrible thing to slap some of these zombie around the face? Are they capable of waking? Who knows after all these years, but maybe it's worth a try.

For the really mature crowd the answer seems to be okay, they robbed your club, they fucked you up the arse hard until you bled. Best thing you can do is skulk away. That's show them who's boss!

Brits are fucking pathetic. That's what's pathetic. Provided racial inclusiveness and gender equality is observed to the letter, rape them and rob them and they will fucking love you for it. They'll even stick up for you if one of your victims squeals. In chorus, "Oh do shut up, be mature about this, we're British for heaven's sake! WE fought a war!"

For myself, it's not worth supporting this shit show of a club any more. This isn't the thick and thin we are used to enjoying and enduring in equal measure - this is something entirely similar to all the other crap that surrounds us. Be loyal to that? Fuck off! I'll support the guys who have decided to stand up and politely suggest it is time for something other than subservience and apologies from the victims. Seems the least pathetic thing to do.

:haha: That's a mental image.

It’s sad to see how this has played out. On the bright side, we’ve got some people fired up at least.

[Niall_Quinn]

:haha: That's a mental image.

It’s sad to see how this has played out. On the bright side, we’ve got some people fired up at least.

It's predictable how this has played out. Wenger used to say he'd leave if he felt he couldn't offer the club any more. Guess he lied about that too, like all the other things.

[Özim]

Can't get over the fact we have a manager who celebrated like he'd won the CL or league yesterday, we didn't even win the game so clearly he was celebrating getting 3rd/4th and qualifying for the CL again.

It's not like we ever compete or ever will as it stands, so his celebrations are frankly embarassing and really shows how small time he's become.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Someone else said it earlier it's part and parcel of the social media age which has allowed this factional approach taken by the fans, to the point where there is a refusal to even believe that someone has the right to have a different opinion from you.

It's not sad, it's pathetic and it makes it easier for the board to ignore what's going on if we are allowing the perception to be fed that the fan base are overwrought emotional incontinents. Accept it or not, there are fans from other clubs who don't understand what the beef is with Arsenal fans. And I have to explain to them that it's too many years of the same with no progression and paying so much for the privilege.

People that can't control themselves in public deserve nothing but contempt

[Power n Glory]

It's predictable how this has played out. Wenger used to say he'd leave if he felt he couldn't offer the club any more. Guess he lied about that too, like all the other things.

Sadly. I hope he does something different next season. He won’t leave but he can’t continue on as routine. He’s in the press praising the ‘real Giroud’ as if his hope for that guy has been restored. Unbelievable. This summer, he has to do something to give fans some hope otherwise we’re just going to lose a huge chunk of long time followers.

[Özim]

Sadly. I hope he does something different next season. He won’t leave but he can’t continue on as routine. He’s in the press praising the ‘real Giroud’ as if his hope for that guy has been restored. Unbelievable. This summer, he has to do something to give fans some hope otherwise we’re just going to lose a huge chunk of long time followers.

The guy has scored once in what 15-16 games and Wenger is still praising him, to anyone with eyes he's not up to the task of being number 1 striker for a top club, yet Wenger appears to think this guy is the answer to all our woes up front, you couldn't make it up.

Does he do this on purpose just to wind up fans or does he genuinely believe it? Either way it's pretty sad.

[Özim]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VP6a_acGqM

Poor Claude being threatened at games now.

State of these idiot fans

LMao at that melt getting rekt by Claude

IDIOT

Some guy coming forward and screaming one Arsene Wenger in that video.

The less said about that the better.

[Özim]

Just seen some people on AFTV saying they don't understand why anyone would want Wenger out, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs never ask for their manager to get the sack (hmmmm well two of them are getting new managers next season) and calling people who do idiots.

I think it become pretty clear why things won't change, we've pretty much adopted a top 4 is good enough mentality throughout the club, these people also seem to be saying Wenger hasn't had the money to spend and that if he did he would have spent it.

Let's just not blame the manager for anything then and pretend like it's everyone else's fault, some guy also agreed its because of the fans we've dropped points. Really we should just get rid of half the fan base and if we did we'd probably win everything in sight by the sounds of it.

Too many fans at Arsenal unwilling to see things as they are and too many who just can't deal with someone having their own opinion. What all of this has done is really brought out the nasty side of the supporting fan base which still clearly exists in modern day football sadly, thought football had moved on from this.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You think they are idiots, they think you are idiots.....I'd call that an impasse

[Özim]

You think they are idiots, they think you are idiots.....I'd call that an impasse

I think their insults and behaviour is uncalled for, I don't agree with what they say but that's fine they are entitled to their opinion.

To blame the fans for what is something controlled by people paid many millions is however pretty low.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

And they argue they are getting insulted for supporting the manager, when it comes to who has the stronger argument than yes I'm more inclined to side with the people who want the manager gone (although the level of vitriol with some of them bemuses me) but when it comes to fan behaviour it's a score draw in that both factions are equally pathetic in my eyes.

Again I wasn't there yesterday, nor at the other away matches where they have been reports of fracas between fans.....but the clear picture is that there are absolute bell ends in both camps.

So what if the Wenger In camp think it's the fans fault?.....it's their opinion, it's not an argument I can say really has much merit and it rather contradicts Wengers assertion that his players have strong character if they can't play well when the atmosphere is a bit sour. But if they want to continue with that narrative it's up to them.

[Özim]

So what if the Wenger In camp think it's the fans fault?.....it's their opinion, it's not an argument I can say really has much merit and it rather contradicts Wengers assertion that his players have strong character if they can't play well when the atmosphere is a bit sour. But if they want to continue with that narrative it's up to them.

Well no, someone else having a different opinion and voicing this whether it be via a banner or vocally towards the management or players is not insulting them at all, it's letting the players and club know how they feel.

What about the threatening behaviour some of these people display when supporting Wenger, have your own opinion but don't be threatening or aggresive towards others for having theirs.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But that's my point, they see it differently....now if they are trying to use physical force to prevent banners or attacking Wenger out fans than that's dickish behaviour, but they have the right to criticise the behaviour and its motives.

I'm not likely to go to an Arsenal game any time soon, but frankly I wouldn't want to be associated with people holding up banners anymore than I'd want to be associated with people chanting "one Arsene Wenger".

Boyd Hilton on the Footballistically Arsenal podcast compared it with Right Wing Likuld vs Hamas, just insanity on both sides.

[AFC Leveller]

Can't get over the fact we have a manager who celebrated like he'd won the CL or league yesterday, we didn't even win the game so clearly he was celebrating getting 3rd/4th and qualifying for the CL again.

It's not like we ever compete or ever will as it stands, so his celebrations are frankly embarassing and really shows how small time he's become.

i thought it was really embarrassing tbh, as you say we drew the game and had the chance of going 2nd had we won so a manager with ambition should have gone for it earlier and at least kept his "celebrations" behind closed doors.

This is why the man is untouchable, he has one target and that is to qualify for the CL.

[Özim]

i thought it was really embarrassing tbh, as you say we drew the game and had the chance of going 2nd had we won so a manager with ambition should have gone for it earlier and at least kept his "celebrations" behind closed doors.

This is why the man is untouchable, he has one target and that is to qualify for the CL.

Agreed, but it seems he's got a large percentage of fans celebrating this as well now, it's ingrained into our culture that top 4 is basically a great result for the season. After such a disappointing season it's surprising to be seeing fans and the manager celebrating a draw.

[Özim]

But that's my point, they see it differently....now if they are trying to use physical force to prevent banners or attacking Wenger out fans than that's dickish behaviour, but they have the right to criticise the behaviour and its motives.

I'm not likely to go to an Arsenal game any time soon, but frankly I wouldn't want to be associated with people holding up banners anymore than I'd want to be associated with people chanting "one Arsene Wenger".

Boyd Hilton on the Footballistically Arsenal podcast compared it with Right Wing Likuld vs Hamas, just insanity on both sides.

Yes they do, I guess we're all different, if I pay top dollar for something I would expect to get a top quality product and wouldn't be happy unless I got that. Some guy even said we play the best football around, I don't think that's the case anymore, may be a few years ago, but to me it seems like there's a lot of fans living in the past.

Kinda in the same way people use to say we shouldn't spend a lot of money as we might do a Leeds, it's now we shouldn't change manager as we'll do a Man U. Not necessarily the case, it could be better, it would certainly be more exciting as we could expect something new, personally I wouldn't mind a couple seasons where we're not in the CL if it meant things could change and we could have hope again.

It's going to happen sooner or later anyway, so I don't see why people would worry about it happening, one guy wanted him to prepare for his departure and effectively pick his successor, I think this would be disastrous personally.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's all opinion at the end of the day, like you say they are paying top dollar and if they think they are getting value for money I think they are mad but it's up to them

I find our football boring, I thought the move that led to our second equaliser was excellent but on the whole compare it to Leicester and how they played against Everton. Far more entertaining than anything we produce, they really go for it and play good direct football.

[Niall_Quinn]

But that's my point, they see it differently....now if they are trying to use physical force to prevent banners or attacking Wenger out fans than that's dickish behaviour, but they have the right to criticise the behaviour and its motives.

I'm not likely to go to an Arsenal game any time soon, but frankly I wouldn't want to be associated with people holding up banners anymore than I'd want to be associated with people chanting "one Arsene Wenger".

Boyd Hilton on the Footballistically Arsenal podcast compared it with Right Wing Likuld vs Hamas, just insanity on both sides.


Israelis vs Hamas? Hardly. What an incredible stupid analogy by whoever that chattering head is. If he thinks fans arguing over a manager (a practise as old as the game) is insane then how does he rate his own take on things? Is there a word?

Rational and reasonable are terms that are rapidly becoming euphemisms for subservience. Nobody seems to know what either word means any more. However, the favoured rational and reasonable response to the Arsenal situation seems to be love it but leave it. If you don't like the cunts who have captured the club then run away and sulk a bit, or just fall out of love with the game and do something else. Fine. If that works for people then it's a choice and their choice to make. But what if you aren't ready to abandon the club yet? What if you still give a fuck about what happens at the club? Is it time to sit down and have a rational and reasonable debate with the people who have watched the manager fuck it up season after season for a decade yet still sing his name? What sort of rational and reasonable debate is that going to be?

"Thanks for the memories but it's time to say goodbye!"

"You ungrateful, disloyal, plastic, sad, pathetic, publicity seeking non-fan. Wenger should be allowed to leave when he wants. He built the stadium with his own hands. The results are fine considering all the money the dopers have. No, I don't know what Leicester is, please shut up!"

Seems like one side of this "debate" is both Hamas and the Israelis from where I'm watching. Or watered down versions that are really nothing at all like Hamas or the Israelis. Because that's just silly, even sillier than the Wenger crowd.

[Özim]

It's all opinion at the end of the day, like you say they are paying top dollar and if they think they are getting value for money I think they are mad but it's up to them

I find our football boring, I thought the move that led to our second equaliser was excellent but on the whole compare it to Leicester and how they played against Everton. Far more entertaining than anything we produce, they really go for it and play good direct football.

I agree, Leicester are a fine example, they really pressed, they were direct and were always looking for more goals whilst still defending responsibly, to me that was much better to watching, certainly more exciting.

It seems AW still thinks we're great to watch, noone ever who ever interviews him seems to question this ascertion oddly.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Israelis vs Hamas? Hardly. What an incredible stupid analogy by whoever that chattering head is. If he thinks fans arguing over a manager (a practise as old as the game) is insane then how does he rate his own take on things? Is there a word?

Rational and reasonable are terms that are rapidly becoming euphemisms for subservience. Nobody seems to know what either word means any more. However, the favoured rational and reasonable response to the Arsenal situation seems to be love it but leave it. If you don't like the cunts who have captured the club then run away and sulk a bit, or just fall out of love with the game and do something else. Fine. If that works for people then it's a choice and their choice to make. But what if you aren't ready to abandon the club yet? What if you still give a fuck about what happens at the club? Is it time to sit down and have a rational and reasonable debate with the people who have watched the manager fuck it up season after season for a decade yet still sing his name? What sort of rational and reasonable debate is that going to be?

"Thanks for the memories but it's time to say goodbye!"

"You ungrateful, disloyal, plastic, sad, pathetic, publicity seeking non-fan. Wenger should be allowed to leave when he wants. He built the stadium with his own hands. The results are fine considering all the money the dopers have. No, I don't know what Leicester is, please shut up!"

Seems like one side of this "debate" is both Hamas and the Israelis from where I'm watching. Or watered down versions that are really nothing at all like Hamas or the Israelis. Because that's just silly, even sillier than the Wenger crowd.

To be fair I'm only commenting on it through the lens of social media. And the lack of measure from both sides is truly a spectacle to behold.

They both take the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is Hitler" approach to debate.

So take away what I agree is the perfectly reasonable messages on the banners, the level of discourse is what you'd expect if you put Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters in a small indoor gymnasium filled with crash mats and hid a box cutter knife somewhere.

Don't get me wrong I don't think it's a bad things, I'd love nothing more than for these fans to kill each other (as long as they do it away from me) in a broad sense they won't be missed, but they aren't helping and like I say just spreading the perception that our fans are emotional incontinents.

[Niall_Quinn]

To be fair I'm only commenting on it through the lens of social media. And the lack of measure from both sides is truly a spectacle to behold.

They both take the "anyone who doesn't agree with me is Hitler" approach to debate.

So take away what I agree is the perfectly reasonable messages on the banners, the level of discourse is what you'd expect if you put Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders supporters in a small indoor gymnasium filled with crash mats and hid a box cutter knife somewhere.

Don't get me wrong I don't think it's a bad things, I'd love nothing more than for these fans to kill each other (as long as they do it away from me) in a broad sense they won't be missed, but they aren't helping and like I say just spreading the perception that our fans are emotional incontinents.

Wouldn't you much rather kill the ones who say nothing? I mean just generally? Not just the football fans, all of them? The quiet, go along to get along perps who make every single shitstorm possible through their weight of numbers and their blind, unthinking compliance? Wouldn't you rather kill them? What sort of a world would it be if these were the only ones left? We could take that to AMC as a new plot. It'd be bigger than the Walking Dead. It IS bigger.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not going to kill anyone, I'm just not going to care that much if people who can't keep a lid on their emotions murder each other.

If people can't make an argument without getting flustered and flailing their limbs then they are better off wearing the end is nigh Tabards on the high street.

I don't buy the idea that you can't get yourself listened to and your point heard without turning into a raving madman and frankly I find as someone who does want managerial change that I'm being represented by these clowns.

So no I don't want to kill the quiet ones because I don't assume people should care about the same things I do.

[selassie]

Some guy coming forward and screaming one Arsene Wenger in that video.

The less said about that the better.

In that Video Ty wearing two pairs of headphones?!! In ear ones and over the head ones. :lol:

[GP]

In that Video Ty wearing two pairs of headphones?!! In ear ones and over the head ones. :lol:

I'm sure the overcoat and beanie are necessary in 27 degree weather as well.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not going to kill anyone, I'm just not going to care that much if people who can't keep a lid on their emotions murder each other.

If people can't make an argument without getting flustered and flailing their limbs then they are better off wearing the end is nigh Tabards on the high street.

I don't buy the idea that you can't get yourself listened to and your point heard without turning into a raving madman and frankly I find as someone who does want managerial change that I'm being represented by these clowns.

So no I don't want to kill the quiet ones because I don't assume people should care about the same things I do.

You can't get yourself listened to by being quiet either, and that seems to be the demand of the Wenger crowd (or is it a mob yet?). Come to the games, pay top prices, be polite, respectful, no complaining and certainly no complaining that could be heard or witnessed by other people. Would that be a fair assessment of their demands? That seems to be what they are saying. The guys with the banners haven't been flailing around the place, all they have been doing is hoisting up a polite (too polite if you ask me) banner or two. Arsenal are dispatching stewards to away games to stop this happening and the people doing the flailing are the ones who don't want anyone else to have an opinion. There's something very wrong at this club and among a section of the support, and the problem isn't with the guys holding up Wenger out banners.

[I am invisible]

Its all getting ridiculous, from internet warriors and wannabe social media z-listers to now actual fighting within the fans. Honestly I am embarrassed by it all, and just another reason for me to switch off completely next season. In fact I haven't really watched or followed any of our games since the United one, instead choosing to spend my weekends out doing other things. Have I missed it, not one bit.

I want Wenger to leave as much as anyone, but it really isn't worth getting that angry about.

:good:

To be honest, it's not even just Arsenal or Wenger - the whole package that comes with football is starting to get a bit much now, and it's feeling more and more like an addiction than an enjoyable pastime? All the über-coverage of everything, and the blogs, and the social media accounts, and the chat rooms and the gossip sites, etc - it's great when things are going well, and helps amplify the high... but as with anything addictive, it also makes the lows a hundred times worse! The average football fan is basically a junkie, and the industry that's grown around the game knows it well and good. It's done a great job over the years of convincing us that we need it, and that we'd be lost without it, but the truth is there's a choice there, and you can walk away at any moment. What would you do without football? Fucking anything! Literally, anything!

It doesn't even have to be a forever thing - just take a break! I'm kind of in the same place with football as I get with drinking at the moment: as much as I love a cold beer and a good night out, if I do it to excess then there always comes a point where I need to walk away and thoroughly detox. If I didn't take that break if and when I needed to then I'd feel like shit all the time, and every sip would become a chore rather than something pleasant. That's me and football at the moment: I love it... but I think I've hit my limit now, and need to detox from it. If everyone who was angry with the club did the same thing, and just took a break for a bit, then I'm sure the club would get the message loud and clear - sales would drop, memberships would be left unrenewed, tickets would be left unsold, the stadium would be empty, and sponsors would get pissed. This level of anger and misery really isn't necessary...

[Özim]

Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

[Niall_Quinn]

To be honest, it's not even just Arsenal or Wenger - the whole package that comes with football is starting to get a bit much now, and it's feeling more and more like an addiction than an enjoyable pastime?

That's the place I'm getting to as well. It's more hype than football these days. You get two billionaire clubs filled with multi-million quid players who earn millions year and some of the fuckers can't kick a ball. Sure as hell none of the fuckers can cross one. Managers fist pumping because they secure millions of quid for their club rather than a trophy. Not much there for the fan any more except exorbitant ticket prices. I suppose at Arsenal we get a few bonuses, like abuse and finger pointing from the manager, and Jack Wilshere and Theo Walcott on Twitter.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You can't get yourself listened to by being quiet either, and that seems to be the demand of the Wenger crowd (or is it a mob yet?). Come to the games, pay top prices, be polite, respectful, no complaining and certainly no complaining that could be heard or witnessed by other people. Would that be a fair assessment of their demands? That seems to be what they are saying. The guys with the banners haven't been flailing around the place, all they have been doing is hoisting up a polite (too polite if you ask me) banner or two. Arsenal are dispatching stewards to away games to stop this happening and the people doing the flailing are the ones who don't want anyone else to have an opinion. There's something very wrong at this club and among a section of the support, and the problem isn't with the guys holding up Wenger out banners.

You hear different things depending on who you listen to as to who is causing the ruck, which leads me to conclude that both are equally responsible because they can't behave.

It's not about staying quiet, it's about staying rational. You can be loud without being hysterical

People blaming the fans are irrational, People who scream at other fans who say they don't like their banners are hysterical

The stewards taking banners from fans needs looking into it, as they seems to be a gross overreaction. But then my problem is not the message but the messengers themselves.....

[Globalgunner]

The concept of despatching stewards to away grounds to quell dissent seems at best legally questionable and at worst downright authoritarian. ehat jurisciction do they have outside the Emirates. This is the desperate last throes (I hope ) of a dying junta.

Bllody Hell, these people are desperate.

[Power n Glory]

You hear different things depending on who you listen to as to who is causing the ruck, which leads me to conclude that both are equally responsible because they can't behave.

It's not about staying quiet, it's about staying rational. You can be loud without being hysterical

People blaming the fans are irrational, People who scream at other fans who say they don't like their banners are hysterical

The stewards taking banners from fans needs looking into it, as they seems to be a gross overreaction. But then my problem is not the message but the messengers themselves.....

Football isn't rational. It's an emotional game and why we'll see even our own manager get involved in a little tussle with an opposing manager or refuse to shake hands. Did you say something about human nature the other day to Kano and NQ?

This was on the cards and I think the club have poured fuel on the flames. That doesn't excuse the behavior but they know fools in love with the game can take things to the extreme. Hence how they have most fans by the balls with the ticket prices.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Oh I agree I think the reaction is all too profound an example of human nature. It's all too familiar a failing but don't expect me to have any respect for it. Let's just say some people are more "human" than others.

But my point still stands, I won't listen to an argument that someone makes that is based on emotion and I don't expect anyone else to either.
And people who become violent often need very little reason so to do. So whilst yes I blame the manager and the board for fans becoming disenchanted, frustrated and annoyed but becoming aggressive and thuggish no that's on the individuals.

People who are inspired by visceral reactions, well I leave them to vote for people like Donald Trump.

[Power n Glory]

Oh I agree I think the reaction is all too profound an example of human nature. It's all too familiar a failing but don't expect me to have any respect for it. Let's just say some people are more "human" than others.

But my point still stands, I won't listen to an argument that someone makes that is based on emotion and I don't expect anyone else to either.
And people who become violent often need very little reason so to do. So whilst yes I blame the manager and the board for fans becoming disenchanted, frustrated and annoyed but becoming aggressive and thuggish no that's on the individuals.

People who are inspired by visceral reactions, well I leave them to vote for people like Donald Trump.

I'm not concerned about the thuggish behavior. There isn't much point in asking why people are fighting. It never seems rational when things boil over like this. It's the split in fan base that I'm more concerned about. I blame the club for sitting idle whilst Wenger has been allowed to take the piss all these years. The fact that he's blamed the fans for our failure is out of order as well. Stoked the flames and he should be held accountable.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well I'm sure you are concerned about the split in the fan base but the general dissuasion was about the bitch slapping going on between the muppets on both sides

But even on the split I am less than sympathetic, I don't understand the mindset of people who seem satisfied with how things are going. But I'm more curious than angry and like to understand where they are coming from.

Largely it appears that it's hyperbole vs hyperbole, and people becoming more entrenched in their views to counteract the perceived inflexibility of the opposing argument. And actually if you discuss it with people long enough you find there are more areas of agreement than disagreement. So essentially it is bickering for the sake of bickering.

[Power n Glory]

Well I'm sure you are concerned about the split in the fan base but the general dissuasion was about the bitch slapping going on between the muppets on both sides

But even on the split I am less than sympathetic, I don't understand the mindset of people who seem satisfied with how things are going. But I'm more curious than angry and like to understand where they are coming from.

Largely it appears that it's hyperbole vs hyperbole, and people becoming more entrenched in their views to counteract the perceived inflexibility of the opposing argument. And actually if you discuss it with people long enough you find there are more areas of agreement than disagreement. So essentially it is bickering for the sake of bickering.

I think that's the way the conversation has gone even though that wasn't my original purpose when posting a comment this morning. I just wonder what sort of legacy will Wenger leave behind if this continues. It really defeats the purpose of the new stadium and why I criticise them so heavily. They've mishandled this situation.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They haven't mishandled it at all, that would suggest it's been handled at all

The question of Wenger and succession has been totally pushed down the road, because it's not a decision they want to make. They want Wenger to sign a contract because it's easier to stick with what they have rather than make difficult football decisions

The club is largely as apathetic as the fans, sending stewards from Arsenal to the game is just a way of trying to save themselves hassle.

But fans have a choice, the absentism at Arsenal has been more effective than any wanky banner or placard, that's what the board will listen to because I think it's clear tourists cannot make up the shortfall.

I was unconvinced as to its efficacy but actually if maintained I think it is the most effective protest took the fans have.

You can't blame fans for being spoilt if they don't turn up, it's just a case of fine I'm a paying customer so you don't get my business anymore.

Even if it doesn't work, you are saving yourself a fair bit of money which otherwise goes to a club that seems to be stockpiling.

[Power n Glory]

I've always been in favour of a boycott. I don't mind the protests and banners either because it's another way of getting a message across. It doesn't have to be either or in my book.

[Munchies]

There should also be a walk out during the lap of honour imo

All the players/manager are bottlers

The Pellegrini one got alot of news and was on the front page of newspapers

[Munchies]

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[fakeyank]

I think the 'banner folks' should just not attend the game this weekend. Let the bitches do their 'lap of honor' in front of Ty and his family.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I've always been in favour of a boycott. I don't mind the protests and banners either because it's another way of getting a message across. It doesn't have to be either or in my book.

Never said it did, I'm saying one is more likely to be effective than the other.

My attitude would be if someone in the seat next to me wants to hold up a banner, fine go for it I'm not going to help you with it and if you ask the guy in the next row forward to take a picture of you kindly make sure I'm out of shot.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There should also be a walk out during the lap of honour imo

I don't think that would be in anyway unreasonable

Frankly you'd be doing the players a favour though.

[Niall_Quinn]

But fans have a choice, the absentism at Arsenal has been more effective than any wanky banner or placard, that's what the board will listen to because I think it's clear tourists cannot make up the shortfall.

How do we know this? Has there been any indication the Arsenal board has listened to anyone about anything? I saw a few mentions in the media about empty seats and it stands to reason the greedy cunts who have hijacked the club will have noticed a few quid that haven't managed to claw in, but have you spotted some reaction or intent on their part?

[Niall_Quinn]

I think the 'banner folks' should just not attend the game this weekend. Let the bitches do their 'lap of honor' in front of Ty and his family.

They've already said no banners next season. Instead they'll check in on the Wengerbots next May when Arsenal have just posted up exactly the same season yet again.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

How do we know this? Has there been any indication the Arsenal board has listened to anyone about anything? I saw a few mentions in the media about empty seats and it stands to reason the greedy cunts who have hijacked the club will have noticed a few quid that haven't managed to claw in, but have you spotted some reaction or intent on their part?

Because it's being spoken about far more in the media than the protest which was pretty awful and half arsed

And over a period of next season if this is a continuing trend, it's going to send alarm bells ringing amongst the sponsors

The same if the fans abstain from buying headphones and water bottles I mean replica kits

For me that's the only way you can get any kind of leverage

[Power n Glory]

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That's a good idea.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think the lap of honour is such a pointless thing anyway, unless you've actually won something or a club like Bournemouth who has stayed up against the odds than it's completely meaningless.

If it hadn't been used as a gesture of passive racism by Paul Golding, i'd have suggested the whole turning your back thing.

[Munchies]

They've already said no banners next season. Instead they'll check in on the Wengerbots next May when Arsenal have just posted up exactly the same season yet again.


:lol:

I was watching the Gooner Talk podcast and DT mentioned that too.

Knowing the Wengerbots though, they won't even moan in May, they'll still say 'One Arsene Wenger' when we have a nothing season again

[Özim]

There should also be a walk out during the lap of honour imo

All the players/manager are bottlers

The Pellegrini one got alot of news and was on the front page of newspapers

A lap of honour :lol: they've let the fans down and it's been a poor season they don't deserve any credit, moreover the manager has been throwing the blame at the fans so no point applauding them for their support, it would all be very fake.

[Power n Glory]

Because it's being spoken about far more in the media than the protest which was pretty awful and half arsed

And over a period of next season if this is a continuing trend, it's going to send alarm bells ringing amongst the sponsors

The same if the fans abstain from buying headphones and water bottles I mean replica kits

For me that's the only way you can get any kind of leverage

Would there had been a mass walk out if the banner hadn't sparked that conversation and caught the headlines?

The banners have caught as much attention. Maybe more. It certainly sparked something and I think a message needs to be sent along with action so Wenger can't make excuse a low turn out for 'Thursday night' football.

[Özim]

They've already said no banners next season. Instead they'll check in on the Wengerbots next May when Arsenal have just posted up exactly the same season yet again.

Really? Bunch of clowns want to pretend everything is harmonius and that Wenger and co are doing a great job, like I said it's a dictatorship.

There's no other clubs where stuff like this goes on, it's an embarrassment to the game, no respect for people's opinions, just want to take them money and keep them quiet, club should be ashamed of itself to be honest, if this is what Wenger has turned us into, there's not a lot to thank him for.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The banners have been there on and off for the past eighteen months

Apart from Carling cup matches how many times have we seen a stadium that is Almost a third empty?

I don't know how true it is that fans are going to be banned from bringing banners next season, it seems to me that the club would be shooting itself in the foot because even though there are loads of fans still singing "one Arsene Wenger" unfortunately for the club there are enough unhappy ones to make alienating them even more a rather stupid move.

Like I say I have no issue with the banners but I think the empty seats has made more of a lasting impression with the media as to the extent of fan unhappiness and if it continues into next season it can't be dismissed as easily. Where as if people turn up with banners, well they are still turning up.

And unfortunately it feeds into the mentality of the Wenger brigade that people are coming into the ground to incite a bad atmosphere. But ultimately it's up to individuals what they do, I just think come the first home game of next season if there are a glaring amount of empty seats that will be more telling than any placard.....it says "fine if you think we are cunts, don't take our money".

[Özim]

I agree empty seats are the best way, there have been empty seats of course, trouble is empty seats mean little if it's season ticket holders or seats that have been paid for that are empty, they've already got the money.

Essentially what we'd need is people not to buy enough season tickets, seems that are too many Wenger supporters who think he's the best thing since sliced bread and who think our football is a gift from the gods for that to happen.

We've acquired a reputation for being entertainers, even when it's not true people still think we are, it almost seems like it's ingrained in some fans, like some form of brainwashing has gone on.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I tend to think there will be a drop in the purchase of season tickets, but added to that a club that is leaving massive gaps in match day attendance even in big games like Chelsea, city, United and the NLD will be an embarrassment to sponsors. Especially when their logos and brands are festooned over the advertising hoardings.

It's the negative attention that hurts, and Arsenal is an asset for Kroenke against which he can borrow money with favourable rates of interest for other business ventures. That's because it's a piece of prime sporting real estate but if the club is seen as in flux it fails to be as much of an asset and he's forced to act.

In that same time we will learn a great deal about Arsene Wenger, I still think this is a man who will want to jump before he is pushed. In all honesty I don't believe he will have wanted to create a rift with great sways of the fan base but as he sees it his first duty is to his employers.

[Power n Glory]

The banners have been there on and off for the past eighteen months

Apart from Carling cup matches how many times have we seen a stadium that is Almost a third empty?

I don't know how true it is that fans are going to be banned from bringing banners next season, it seems to me that the club would be shooting itself in the foot because even though there are loads of fans still singing "one Arsene Wenger" unfortunately for the club there are enough unhappy ones to make alienating them even more a rather stupid move.

Like I say I have no issue with the banners but I think the empty seats has made more of a lasting impression with the media as to the extent of fan unhappiness and if it continues into next season it can't be dismissed as easily. Where as if people turn up with banners, well they are still turning up.

And unfortunately it feeds into the mentality of the Wenger brigade that people are coming into the ground to incite a bad atmosphere. But ultimately it's up to individuals what they do, I just think come the first home game of next season if there are a glaring amount of empty seats that will be more telling than any placard.....it says "fine if you think we are cunts, don't take our money".

Considering they're trying to ban the banners, ever wonder if they see such open discontent around the stadium as bad publicity for the club? It's obviously caught the attention of the Board or one of the higher ups so what are they trying to protect by banning them? You really don't know how effective they are and if sponsors are making a few concerned phone calls.

The incident with Wright made a few headlines so I wouldn't discount it.

[Power n Glory]

I tend to think there will be a drop in the purchase of season tickets, but added to that a club that is leaving massive gaps in match day attendance even in big games like Chelsea, city, United and the NLD will be an embarrassment to sponsors. Especially when their logos and brands are festooned over the advertising hoardings.

It's the negative attention that hurts, and Arsenal is an asset for Kroenke against which he can borrow money with favourable rates of interest for other business ventures. That's because it's a piece of prime sporting real estate but if the club is seen as in flux it fails to be as much of an asset and he's forced to act.

In that same time we will learn a great deal about Arsene Wenger, I still think this is a man who will want to jump before he is pushed. In all honesty I don't believe he will have wanted to create a rift with great sways of the fan base but as he sees it his first duty is to his employers.

I swear you are stealing everything I said to you in a debate a month ago or so? :lol:

At least we're in agreement. :good:

[Kano]

I think the lap of honour is such a pointless thing anyway, unless you've actually won something or a club like Bournemouth who has stayed up against the odds than it's completely meaningless.

If it hadn't been used as a gesture of passive racism by Paul Golding, i'd have suggested the whole turning your back thing.
Maybe he was facing the Qiblah...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I swear you are stealing everything I said to you in a debate a month ago or so? :lol:

At least we're in agreement. :good:

Probably, I think the last two games has caused me to reassess my view on the effectiveness of it, I just assumed there was enough fans willing to backfill the empty seats but obviously not. Whether that will still be the case next season who knows, there could be a case made that fans will want to see how the season unfolds first even though in the back of their mind there will be an acceptance of not much changing.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Fans aren't fighting with each other. Fans are fighting Wengerdrones, different thing.

Here's the bottom line. Football is supposed to be a competitive sport -> SPORT! You are either in it to win it or no in it at all. We actually have an owner that says he's not bothered if we win, he's not here for that. He's said it out straight. He doesn't make a secret of it.

This cunt has a manager who also doesn't give a shit about winning. We saw that again today when the sad loser was celebrating dropping 2 points directly after the spuds had dropped 3. We've seen it over and over and over from this manager. That's why he goes cheap in the transfer market, winning is not his objective. His objective is to meet financial targets, qualifying for the multi-millions CL being the absolute priority. The manager can't even be bothered to coach the team, train them, improve them, give them a plan, send them out with tactics. He doesn't do any of that shit.

So how are you a football fan if you support two money grabbing gits like Kroenke and Wenger?

You can't be. You're no Arsenal fan if you are signing for Wenger because if you don't care whether the clubs wins or not, provided it makes money, then you are't supporting the club in a football sense. You are supporting it in a financial sense, sure. But that's not a fan - it's a customer.

So next time you hear them singing for Wenger, remember what they are really singing. They are singing for the continued demise of the club. No wonder real fans despise them. Subservient cunts.

I'm late to the party. You have made a number of posts about Wenger, the Board, Kroenke, etc.

Bearing in mind all your views about the antagonists above: Wenger goes, so what - what type of manager do you think they'll get in his place and what if anything changes?

[Munchies]

He's staying till next year.

That much is guaranteed.

Let's see what happens in the Summer. I'm not optimistic, but the fact that it's his last year is a silver lining.

If he gets a new contract, then shit hits the fan again.

Still, COYG I guess. What else.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Thing is you don't know, whilst there is no doubt that Wenger is used as a convenient lightning rod by the board it's very unlikely any new manager will be given the same autonomy he has. We all know full well that Gazidis couldn't sack Wenger even if he wanted to but he will be the one responsible for his replacement.

That means we have someone who is beholden to someone, three year contract if no significant improvement in that time good bye and good luck and onto the next guy.

[Kano]

The concept of despatching stewards to away grounds to quell dissent seems at best legally questionable and at worst downright authoritarian. ehat jurisciction do they have outside the Emirates. This is the desperate last throes (I hope ) of a dying junta.

Bllody Hell, these people are desperate.

I think it's generally advised by the FA. It's part of their Crowd Management Measures Good Practice Guide.

[Munchies]

Bloodied and bruised Arsenal fan says violence between pro and anti Arsene Wenger groups has forced him to quit the club with fears for his little boy





“I got the banner out at the end of the game and a girl started trying to pull it down. I was trying to fend her off and get the banner back up but the police and stewards came piling in to me and apparently they got a bit heavy handed.

“The woman who was dragging it down was saying she didn’t want to be associated with it.

“It all happened at the end of the game. We always wait until the end of the game because we want to support the team.

“We try to show our point of view at the end. That’s how we do it, that’s being respectful to the club and the team.

“In Spain they wave the white hankies and in South America I think you get all sorts thrown onto the pitch. All we are trying to do is get our point across – that we are not happy – to Wenger and the club and we need a change.

“I have been going since 1976 and I am just going to turn my back on them now. We are fighting a losing battle.

“The whole divide between the fan base is ridiculous. You would not believe how hostile Wenger fans are.

“I put on my flag ‘judgement in May’ because that is what he always says when he is criticised during the season.



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[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

"the woman who was dragging it down" tells a different story on Twitter

She claims that she remarked to a friend that she didn't want to be associated with it, but that he became aggressive with her and become physically and verbally abusive, leading to him kicking out and then being restrained by the Police.


I don't know who to believe, so the best conclusion to come to is to believe neither of them and that what actually happened was somewhere in between exaggerations on both sides.

[Power n Glory]

Sounds like it all kicked off because of the banner but he should have a right to raise the banner if he wants.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Maybe we should have a seating apartheid between banner carriers and non barrier carriers, no one gets upset then and I get to use apartheid in a sentence.

[Özim]

"the woman who was dragging it down" tells a different story on Twitter

She claims that she remarked to a friend that she didn't want to be associated with it, but that he became aggressive with her and become physically and verbally abusive, leading to him kicking out and then being restrained by the Police.


I don't know who to believe, so the best conclusion to come to is to believe neither of them and that what actually happened was somewhere in between exaggerations on both sides.

Why would she have been associated with it? Surely only the people holding it are.

Have to say you have to be a pretty intolerant not to be able to cope with a banner, we've seen a few of these people who can't cope with Wenger criticism on AFTV (sometimes in the background) and they don't seem the brightest.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's perception, when you get cameras trained on these banners and if they catch someone standing next to it they are going to assume that it's as much to do with them.
I want Wenger to go and i can understand that, i wouldn't want to be associated with the banners because a lot of the people carrying them are dimwits....not because they carry banners it's because they are dimwits.


And again she claims she has no problem with the banner, and is in neither "Camp" so to speak.....like i say not saying I believe her, but I am not necessarily going to believe the other person is the victim just because he echoes a sentiment I agree with.

[Özim]

It's perception, when you get cameras trained on these banners and if they catch someone standing next to it they are going to assume that it's as much to do with them.

And again she claims she has no problem with the banner, and is in neither "Camp" so to speak.....like i say not saying I believe her, but I am not necessarily going to believe the other person is the victim just because he echoes a sentiment I agree with.

That Claude guy claims to have been threatened after the last match and some guy was really giving it some during the interview. Based on some of the stuff we've seen some of the Wenger fans don't take kindly to people having a different view. This has nothing to do with this incident of course.

I do think football does attract those types though, you wouldn't see that at a rugby match or cricket match.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There are cretins on both sides of the argument, both are making claims and counter claims to say they are being physically and verbally abused by the other.

Claude should for his own physical and mental wellbeing take a step back and maybe do what he said he was going to do (I mean assess whether he wants to carry on going next season not kill himself). He's a prat, but I do feel sorry for him he looks totally desolate I don't think there is much going on in his life outside of Arsenal.

[Power n Glory]

There are cretins on both sides of the argument, both are making claims and counter claims to say they are being physically and verbally abused by the other.

Claude should for his own physical and mental wellbeing take a step back and maybe do what he said he was going to do (I mean assess whether he wants to carry on going next season not kill himself). He's a prat, but I do feel sorry for him he looks totally desolate I don't think there is much going on in his life outside of Arsenal.

The amount of time we spend on here, I'm sure a few onlookers think the same about us. :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The amount of time we spend on here, I'm sure a few onlookers think the same about us. :lol:

I have no proof that anyone here other than me actually exists and is not a figment of a very mundane imagination.

Somehow I also find the time whilst at work to argue with people on a whole variety of topics outside of football.

[Niall_Quinn]

"the woman who was dragging it down" tells a different story on Twitter

She claims that she remarked to a friend that she didn't want to be associated with it, but that he became aggressive with her and become physically and verbally abusive, leading to him kicking out and then being restrained by the Police.


I don't know who to believe, so the best conclusion to come to is to believe neither of them and that what actually happened was somewhere in between exaggerations on both sides.

Considering how deluded the pro Wenger mob are I'd take anything they say with a pinch of hallucinogens. If they believe Wenger is the right man for the job, if they can actually see decent football being played, who knows what other fantasies play out in their heads?

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm late to the party. You have made a number of posts about Wenger, the Board, Kroenke, etc.

Bearing in mind all your views about the antagonists above: Wenger goes, so what - what type of manager do you think they'll get in his place and what if anything changes?

Wenger will pick his replacement. Probably some French accented bloke with a false moustache.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's perception, when you get cameras trained on these banners and if they catch someone standing next to it they are going to assume that it's as much to do with them.
I want Wenger to go and i can understand that, i wouldn't want to be associated with the banners because a lot of the people carrying them are dimwits....not because they carry banners it's because they are dimwits.


And again she claims she has no problem with the banner, and is in neither "Camp" so to speak.....like i say not saying I believe her, but I am not necessarily going to believe the other person is the victim just because he echoes a sentiment I agree with.

He's the one with bruises. Then again pigs will kick of at the slightest provocation.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Considering how deluded the pro Wenger mob are I'd take anything they say with a pinch of hallucinogens. If they believe Wenger is the right man for the job, if they can actually see decent football being played, who knows what other fantasies play out in their heads?

This is where it becomes silly, like a civil war or a divorce people feel like they have to choose sides

Again I can only guage by what's on Twitter but I think her intention was wanting nothing to do with either faction.

Things have become polarised this is why I think the Likuld-Hamas argument is succinct, depending on which side of the fence you sit to some people either want to rim Wenger or want him to die from colorectal cancer.

To the Wenger knows best brigade if you state that he is passive or prevaricates in the transfer market, he is far too stubborn and that especially in the last few seasons other managers could have done a better job. You are a petulant spoilt brat who isn't fit to wipe Wengers backside

To some of the Wenger out brigade, if you point out that despite his flaws that Wenger isn't a total and absolute incompetent or in fact not as bad as Adolf Hitler, you are a simpering sheep who cares more about the manager and the club and you are also tacitly responsible for the clubs problems.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's the one with bruises. Then again pigs will kick of at the slightest provocation.

They really don't, they are too fucking scared of the consequences of laying a finger on people most of the time because of complaints, enquiries etc.

And yes whilst Police obviously need to be held to a high standard (and not the bullshit politicised standard of the PCC) the days of the Police playing football in the cells with a detainee are long gone.

It seems most likely to me that most of those injuries were self inflicted from struggling and kicking out.