Ozil and Sanchez both want to leave

[Dicks and chicks]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/wenger-stays-but-sanchez-wants-to-leave-rpkhsp78j Sanchez wants to this season ozil the season after

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ozil wants to run down his contract because he realises he's been too lazy for any club to want to pay a transfer fee for him

[GP]

Ozil was on his way to the contract bank...

[Dicks and chicks]

Ozil wants to run down his contract because he realises he's been too lazy for any club to want to pay a transfer fee for him

Exactly no club in Europe will pay that contract

[Niall_Quinn]

Utd will, without blinking. That's where I reckon he'll end up next season unless Wenger and his band of ambitious title hunters can flog him in the summer. Doesn't really matter much. Losing Alexis means players like Ozil won't be able to do much for us anyway. He needs decent players around him, instead he'll have Giroud.

[Özim]

Wenger fires warning at Ozil and Sanchez


http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/31/arsene-wenger-fires-warning-at-alexis-sanchez-and-mesut-ozil-after-agreeing-new-deal-6675053/

Apparently every player that came here became a better player, but you can't say that about every player that left us.

I can see Ozil and Sanchez really re-thinking leaving after hearing this.

:lol: Joker.

[Dicks and chicks]

Neither will stay

[selassie]

Neither will stay

Of course not, OX will walk too. They would have signed already if they wanted to stay.

[Xhaka Can’t]

If you had talent, if you were ambitious and if you were in demand, would you seriously even consider staying with this shitshow?

With the exception of maybe Ozil, they'd be mad to stay here.

[Power n Glory]

I find it funny how after Wenger signs a contract nobody wants to stay. Puts to bed any idea that players were waiting to see if Wenger stays before signing a deal.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Although reinforces the idea they were waiting for Wenger before deciding. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Is Wenger's decision to stay the greatest act of selfishness in the history of the modern game? I'm trying to think of anything else that comes within a mile of it.

[Letters]

The motive for pretty much every act in the modern game is selfishness, I don't think there's any sensible way of ranking them.

[Power n Glory]

Is Wenger's decision to stay the greatest act of selfishness in the history of the modern game? I'm trying to think of anything else that comes within a mile of it.

It's possible. He doesn't have the clubs best interest in mind, despite all the shite he's said in the past. He's done some serious damage.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I'm at the tipping point where all his early successes are overshadowed by what this Club has become and where it is going.

[Letters]

There are a lot of problems at Arsenal at board level. And a lot of the things rotten at Arsenal at rotten throughout football. It's not all about Wenger IMO.

[Power n Glory]

I'm at the tipping point where all his early successes are overshadowed by what this Club has become and where it is going.

That’s the serious damage. A lot of people are switching off or close to that point. I’ve always said once Wenger goes he’ll be remembered as a legend but I’m starting to have second thoughts. For me, I doubt I’ll be able to hold him in the same high regard compared to whenever I look at former players.

[Letters]

I just generally regard football as a complete cess pit these days. Wenger is a factor in my ennui with Arsenal but it's only part of my bigger ennui with football as a sport. Cheating players, obscene money, corrupt referees, media saturation, it being a business where we are customers rather than fans and every opportunity to pick us up by the ankles and shake us to see if any more money falls out. Pre-season tours are now shameless marketing exercises to build fan base in other parts of the world.
Really struggling to be arsed with any of it.

[Power n Glory]

There are a lot of problems at Arsenal at board level. And a lot of the things rotten at Arsenal at rotten throughout football. It's not all about Wenger IMO.

Of course. Kroenke is incompetent. But if Wenger is able to convince Kroenke to resist cashing in on Ozil and Sanchez, that says a lot about Wenger’s influence at the club. Passing up the opportunity to make a quick buck? The consensus has always been that our owners only care about cash. So what’s going on? Wenger dropping out of the Top 4 and still getting a new contract was the biggest indicator. Now we’re talking about letting more money walk out of the club. Two world class international players that boost our club profile. It makes no sense.

Who’s crunching the numbers? How can it be ‘ideal’ to let star players leave on a free transfer and cite that it will be a common trend in football because clubs won’t want to pay the high transfer fees? What sort of logic is this? If we can see it’s starting to cost around £50m just to sign a good player and over £100m for world class, why in the heck would you not offer your world class players a contract that will end up costing around £50m - £70m spread over 3-5 years? Where is the foresight? We’re reluctant to spend big on transfer fees or wages. Where is the planning? It’s not as if project youth has worked either. We’re getting offered peanuts for our Arsenal Academy prodigies whilst other clubs have cashed in big on the players they’ve developed. Sheer incompetence all around the club.

[Niall_Quinn]

That’s the serious damage. A lot of people are switching off or close to that point. I’ve always said once Wenger goes he’ll be remembered as a legend but I’m starting to have second thoughts. For me, I doubt I’ll be able to hold him in the same high regard compared to whenever I look at former players.

Are you sure it's not just older fans that are switching off? The younger fans have no pre-Wenger concepts, in fact no pre-PL concepts. To them, the greed, the cynicism, the lack of the community element, vanished team loyalty, mercenaries for hire instead of players that grow up with the club - these are all normal. And the hype, all perfectly normal by the screwed up standards we are working with today. I'm not sure the damage being done is the loss of the fan base. The TV companies and sponsors wouldn't be pouring cash like a waterfall if they weren't making even more on the back end. I think we have the fan base, but what type of fan? Football consumers rather than football fan(atics).

As for Wenger. Like I said, selfishness. He's building the legacy of a man who didn't know when to quit, rather than the manager that led us to our most successful period. Amazing how he either can't see that or is prepared to live with it. If I had years like his early years under my belt I'd get the fuck out and dine on that success for the rest of my life. Doesn't mean to say he had to get out of football completely. Plenty of roles for him still to play. But that legacy was good enough to warrant preserving, yet he's throwing it away for what? Proof he can compete in a game that has gone to hell? Some screwed up notion he can rescue the game single-handedly? Addiction to the power he's accumulated? But that's who he is for me now, the selfish guy who didn't know when to quit.

[selassie]

I'm at the tipping point where all his early successes are overshadowed by what this Club has become and where it is going.

I think we are at the stage now where he is close to tarnishing his legacy. Many have been sitting on the fence for quite a while now giving him the benefit of the doubt through sentiment but enough is enough now, he's doing some serious damage now.

Do I think he can rescue it? Nope....I think we're slowly sliding backwards.

[Power n Glory]

Are you sure it's not just older fans that are switching off? The younger fans have no pre-Wenger concepts, in fact no pre-PL concepts. To them, the greed, the cynicism, the lack of the community element, vanished team loyalty, mercenaries for hire instead of players that grow up with the club - these are all normal. And the hype, all perfectly normal by the screwed up standards we are working with today. I'm not sure the damage being done is the loss of the fan base. The TV companies and sponsors wouldn't be pouring cash like a waterfall if they weren't making even more on the back end. I think we have the fan base, but what type of fan? Football consumers rather than football fan(atics).

As for Wenger. Like I said, selfishness. He's building the legacy of a man who didn't know when to quit, rather than the manager that led us to our most successful period. Amazing how he either can't see that or is prepared to live with it. If I had years like his early years under my belt I'd get the fuck out and dine on that success for the rest of my life. Doesn't mean to say he had to get out of football completely. Plenty of roles for him still to play. But that legacy was good enough to warrant preserving, yet he's throwing it away for what? Proof he can compete in a game that has gone to hell? Some screwed up notion he can rescue the game single-handedly? Addiction to the power he's accumulated? But that's who he is for me now, the selfish guy who didn't know when to quit.

Why would you think it's a young vs old thing? Whatever I platform I'm on I see different ages saying they're tired of Wenger. You can't nail it down to one group without the numbers to back it up.

Also, I wonder how long the TV revenue will continue.

https://www.ft.com/content/45e8a3e8-4d1e-11e7-a3f4-c742b9791d43


Sky TV suffers fall in viewers of live Premier League games

Not sure how long this can go on for. With the economy about to take a turn for the worse, I wonder how long people will continue to pay a ridiculous amount for Sky when you can find plenty of free streams around. They'll have to rethink this model soon enough. If tech keep advancing with this old model still in place, someone is going to get left behind like how we've seen with the music biz.

[Niall_Quinn]

Certainly the bubble will burst. That's how it's done. The rapists come in, inflate everything, devour the market and leave the ashes. That goes for any market. It's the vulture capitalist way. But my point was, it's easier for fans who have something to compare to fall out of love with this game. No wonder people who were watching when this PL first began have a problem sticking with the comparative shit that is being served up, for 10 times the expense. Youngsters who have no reference are left with that awful fallacy, "That's just the way the game is, that's just the way the world is."

[Bumble]

Certainly the bubble will burst. That's how it's done. The rapists come in, inflate everything, devour the market and leave the ashes. That goes for any market. It's the vulture capitalist way. But my point was, it's easier for fans who have something to compare to fall out of love with this game. No wonder people who were watching when this PL first began have a problem sticking with the comparative shit that is being served up, for 10 times the expense. Youngsters who have no reference are left with that awful fallacy, "That's just the way the game is, that's just the way the world is."

You have probably been saying this for the last 5 years or so. The Neymar deal is ridiculous really £200m for a footballer. The fans that go to the games don't really matter anymore because the clubs earn more from TV, sponsorship etc than just gate receipts. So why not do a good thing and let under 16s in free. I used to enjoy both football and cricket but my preference now is cricket, to earn the money there you have to be a top player International standard, football all the money is going to the players and agents Neymars father wanted to delay the deal til August so he could pocket a loyalty payment.

Financial Fair Play doesn't work if you are backed by the oil rich nations as they can easily just up the "sponsorship" value to cover the outlay. Will the football bubble burst, probably yes as everything does eventually housing, dotcom. or at least there will be a re-allignment