US Election & Politics - We're Making America Great Again!

[Mac76]

Fun fact, my mum used to work with the actor who played him (in a bank, before he went into acting)

he wasn't a patch on Grandad :ninja:

[Niall_Quinn]

How do you think Trump made his millions?

Honestly, you are like that character out of "Only Fools and Horses", Uncle Albert, "Duuuuuuuring the War".....

Trump is a symptom of the awareness purely from a selfish point of view, he has and is very much a key component in globalism, both as the president and prior to that as a businessman, he is up to his neck in it with the Bank Of China.

I think you are missing the point. It's true Trump used every trick in every book to accumulate his wealth. We know this because he wrote books about it and dictated them himself. I don't think I've ever heard otherwise from even the most ardent Trump supporters. It's one of the reasons his base loves him, he's the ultimate expression of capitalism in it's broken form, as far from the opposite extreme increasing numbers from the left desire (without the benefit of reading their history books). He's also a message to the political system that tells it a growing number of people refuse to accept the pre-selected continuation of the status quo.

Trump hijacked and took control of the Republican Party, with most of the members kicking and screaming until they submitted. He became a genuine second face on a previously one party state. That's why the political classes hate him with such venom. He could only have done any of this with the sizeable base he's accumulated. Trump's a populist in the right place at the right time. Because of globalism. And he won't care a bit if he has to change his tune to suit the times. The base behind him decided enough is enough with this globalism shit that has seen their jobs shipped out, illegals shipped in in a cynical attempt to pack the elections forever thereafter, and this bonkers woke culture (which many rightly identify as marxism) replacing the traditions of the nation. The left doesn't grasp any of this as they think up new ways to focus all their attention on one guy. Hillary knew though, that's why she invented the deplorables. It was her pre-selected seat that millions of Americans denied her when everyday people pushed Trump in there instead.

Look at the same circumstances but this time from the left. Where is their Trump? All they do is drag creatures from the depths of the swamp and push them out there to howls of derision from the only and growing base within the Democratic Party (for now). Saunders had to be openly robbed twice to keep the DNC's shitshow on the road. Biden was wiped out in the primaries until they coordinated the field to rob Bernie again. Harris was a non-even, a hated figure among the progressive base because they aren't fooled by her and know what she's done in the past. Trump's base isn't going away and the Democrat's base isn't coming back, unless they import it I suppose. And even then, they watched as record numbers of blacks and Hispanics fled.

This is how the landscape is. An energised, anti-globalisation base against a hollowed out shell being overrun from the far left as it desperately tries to collaborate with the old right on matters of key interest such as wars and the 1%. Wall Street voted Biden. Even though, as you say, Trump is a rampaging capitalist. You mention China and that's quite funny really, because where do you think all the US jobs have been going? And who has directly benefitted from that? The very companies that now tell us what we are allowed to see online are the same guys that have jointed the limited ranks of the trillionaire class. The guys who won't let you know how Biden personally benefitted from his relations with China. I'm sure they supported a senile old man because they believe in the social justice he'll bring if he can remember his script, and you can pull the other one while you are at it.

The bit about Old Fools might just personal abuse designed to ridicule and detract from what I'm saying, or you might be saying move with the times, it is what it is and we just have to live with it. If the latter, no, that's not the only option. If that was the only option we'd still have nobles riding around fucking our wives and stealing our wallets at swordpoint. Progress come with many setbacks and things aren't automatically better because they are new, and in economics, politics and geopolitics it's just as likely to be a case of things getting worse as abuses are tolerated.

I don't think anyone can be seriously fooled by Biden, but I can see why they need to be fooled if they think there's something in it for them. I'll say now, there's going to be a lot of disappointment one way or the other.

[WMUG]

You ask where the left's anti-establishment candidate is, well you answered it yourself.

Sanders was it.

Unfortunately, as you say, the bastards got him the way the republican bastards couldn't get Trump.

But to most Sanders style leftists, establishment is preferable to Trumpism. It's a classic lesser of two evils thing.

Btw Sanders' 2016 run spawned a populist movement that is completely open in its aims of hijacking the Democratic Party from its corporate donors.

Give justice democrats a look.

In the meantime, the idea is that Biden is bad, but less bad than Trump.

[Niall_Quinn]

You ask where the left's anti-establishment candidate is, well you answered it yourself.

Sanders was it.

Unfortunately, as you say, the bastards got him the way the republican bastards couldn't get Trump.

But to most Sanders style leftists, establishment is preferable to Trumpism. It's a classic lesser of two evils thing.

Btw Sanders' 2016 run spawned a populist movement that is completely open in its aims of hijacking the Democratic Party from its corporate donors.

Give justice democrats a look.

In the meantime, the idea is that Biden is bad, but less bad than Trump.

That's where the relentless and biased media effort has been so important. A media owned by the very parties the progressive left is supposedly irreconcilably opposed to. It's been a con job on a global scale, lasting four years and entirely unconcerned with the fallout.

They could have put Gabbard or Yang on the ticket, and sidelined them later. But they refused to give even that inch.

[selassie]

I think you are missing the point. It's true Trump used every trick in every book to accumulate his wealth. We know this because he wrote books about it and dictated them himself. I don't think I've ever heard otherwise from even the most ardent Trump supporters. It's one of the reasons his base loves him, he's the ultimate expression of capitalism in it's broken form, as far from the opposite extreme increasing numbers from the left desire (without the benefit of reading their history books). He's also a message to the political system that tells it a growing number of people refuse to accept the pre-selected continuation of the status quo.

Trump hijacked and took control of the Republican Party, with most of the members kicking and screaming until they submitted. He became a genuine second face on a previously one party state. That's why the political classes hate him with such venom. He could only have done any of this with the sizeable base he's accumulated. Trump's a populist in the right place at the right time. Because of globalism. And he won't care a bit if he has to change his tune to suit the times. The base behind him decided enough is enough with this globalism shit that has seen their jobs shipped out, illegals shipped in in a cynical attempt to pack the elections forever thereafter, and this bonkers woke culture (which many rightly identify as marxism) replacing the traditions of the nation. The left doesn't grasp any of this as they think up new ways to focus all their attention on one guy. Hillary knew though, that's why she invented the deplorables. It was her pre-selected seat that millions of Americans denied her when everyday people pushed Trump in there instead.

Look at the same circumstances but this time from the left. Where is their Trump? All they do is drag creatures from the depths of the swamp and push them out there to howls of derision from the only and growing base within the Democratic Party (for now). Saunders had to be openly robbed twice to keep the DNC's shitshow on the road. Biden was wiped out in the primaries until they coordinated the field to rob Bernie again. Harris was a non-even, a hated figure among the progressive base because they aren't fooled by her and know what she's done in the past. Trump's base isn't going away and the Democrat's base isn't coming back, unless they import it I suppose. And even then, they watched as record numbers of blacks and Hispanics fled.

This is how the landscape is. An energised, anti-globalisation base against a hollowed out shell being overrun from the far left as it desperately tries to collaborate with the old right on matters of key interest such as wars and the 1%. Wall Street voted Biden. Even though, as you say, Trump is a rampaging capitalist. You mention China and that's quite funny really, because where do you think all the US jobs have been going? And who has directly benefitted from that? The very companies that now tell us what we are allowed to see online are the same guys that have jointed the limited ranks of the trillionaire class. The guys who won't let you know how Biden personally benefitted from his relations with China. I'm sure they supported a senile old man because they believe in the social justice he'll bring if he can remember his script, and you can pull the other one while you are at it.

The bit about Old Fools might just personal abuse designed to ridicule and detract from what I'm saying, or you might be saying move with the times, it is what it is and we just have to live with it. If the latter, no, that's not the only option. If that was the only option we'd still have nobles riding around fucking our wives and stealing our wallets at swordpoint. Progress come with many setbacks and things aren't automatically better because they are new, and in economics, politics and geopolitics it's just as likely to be a case of things getting worse as abuses are tolerated.

I don't think anyone can be seriously fooled by Biden, but I can see why they need to be fooled if they think there's something in it for them. I'll say now, there's going to be a lot of disappointment one way or the other.

I'm not really disagreeing with what you have written here. IMO Trump is still using every trick in his book to accumulate wealth, he hasn't stopped and as you say he is a raging capitalist. My original question was how does everyone stand to profit from globalism if Biden is elected. I'm still unclear on the answer despite your replies. I don't think anything changes to be honest whether it's Biden or Trump, we live in a society that breeds Globalism, irrespective of who wins the presidency of United States things will remain the same IMO from a Global point of view. What happens in America is anybodies guess.

Re-electing Trump changes nothing, aside from having a deplorable narcissist in charge of what he believes to be the centre of the world. Do you for one minute believe all this patriotic shite he peddles out? He is knee deep in doing international business and always has been, buy low sell high.

My "Only Fools and Horses" comment was a move with the times comment, it wasn't aimed as personal abuse.

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0YTM8iO4_s

Pie :bow:

[GP]

He lost bigly

[WMUG]

That's where the relentless and biased media effort has been so important. A media owned by the very parties the progressive left is supposedly irreconcilably opposed to. It's been a con job on a global scale, lasting four years and entirely unconcerned with the fallout.

They could have put Gabbard or Yang on the ticket, and sidelined them later. But they refused to give even that inch.

Don't disagree with any of that.

But Trump was still worse, they'll say.

[Letters]

#MARA

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/four-seasons-total-landscaping-trump-gardening-merchandise

[Mac76]

The amount of fake news being spread around the globe is amazing to behold..


You sound jealous, which isn't surprising since you were hired to spread fake news for Trump and failed to win it for him

Once again - you're fired :haha:

[Letters]

I wonder where they got this idea... :unsure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cvst7WliMg

[Xhaka Can’t]

Rudi arrives at the Ritz for his press conference.

https://i.imgur.com/sbRhbRV.jpg

:lol:

[Letters]

(From someone on FB)

Trump really did get the full 2020 experience.
He caught Covid, lost his job and is going to be evicted from his house.

[Niall_Quinn]

A good day yesterday, well managed (by somebody), well executed.

The first signs of mainstream media quietly distancing themselves from the pre-emptive establishment declaration.

Trump stays off TV.

Chinese tech censoring almost every message from prominent American sources, particularly the President.

Over 100 witnesses, so far, that will swear to voter and electoral fraud in a court.

And, most important of all I believe, the announcement on the vaccine.

High information voters already know this is a coup. Now low information voters are starting to glimpse it too and ask questions.

A slow, calm, steady pace like this needs to be maintained. No sensationalism, no biting on the fake stories of fraud that are being planted by the establishment.

Whatever happens, the media has had to spend all its remaining credibility in this desperate gamble to drive through the desired result. Their capital has fallen to zero and that's a good thing regardless of the outcome.

My estimate today would be 80/20 in favour of a coup success. But more days like this and that gap will close fast.

[Niall_Quinn]

And AOC's contributions have been invaluable, shocking even those on the left. AOC is showing you what you get if the coup succeeds.

[Letters]

Over 100 witnesses, so far, that will swear to voter and electoral fraud in a court.
I wonder how many people you'd get responding if you appealed for people who have been abducted by aliens? :shrug:
70 million people voted for Trump and a lot of them are cray cray.
(By a lot, I don't mean a high percentage, but in a sample of 70 million people you're going to have a lot of batshit crazy people, statistically)
Anyway, they'll have their day in court of course so let's see.

[Mac76]

trending on twitter: 'YOUHAVELOST'

:lol:

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54892505

[GP]

Biden leads

Arizona: 14,746
Georgia: 12,567
Nevada: 36,274
Pennsylvania: 47,483

There's no legal challenge (or recount) which is going to overturn margins of this size

[Xhaka Can’t]

We are talking about the United States here.

Even the name of their country is a lie.

[Letters]

Biden leads

Arizona: 14,746
Georgia: 12,567
Nevada: 36,274
Pennsylvania: 47,483

There's no legal challenge (or recount) which is going to overturn margins of this size

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/314145230293172224/774733277273653308/EmP2dW8W4AAhyhj.png

[fakeyank]

A good day yesterday, well managed (by somebody), well executed.

The first signs of mainstream media quietly distancing themselves from the pre-emptive establishment declaration.

Trump stays off TV.

Chinese tech censoring almost every message from prominent American sources, particularly the President.

Over 100 witnesses, so far, that will swear to voter and electoral fraud in a court.

And, most important of all I believe, the announcement on the vaccine.

High information voters already know this is a coup. Now low information voters are starting to glimpse it too and ask questions.

A slow, calm, steady pace like this needs to be maintained. No sensationalism, no biting on the fake stories of fraud that are being planted by the establishment.

Whatever happens, the media has had to spend all its remaining credibility in this desperate gamble to drive through the desired result. Their capital has fallen to zero and that's a good thing regardless of the outcome.

My estimate today would be 80/20 in favour of a coup success. But more days like this and that gap will close fast.

My apologies since I didnt comb through your other posts to understand your opinion better, but if you were to put into 1-2 sentences (as if you were posting on twitter), what is the goal of the mainstream media, globalization, george soros etc? What are they trying to accomplish?

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/Z7Jb144.jpg

[GP]

http://www.loser.com/

[Mac76]

http://www.loser.com/

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

My apologies since I didnt comb through your other posts to understand your opinion better, but if you were to put into 1-2 sentences (as if you were posting on twitter), what is the goal of the mainstream media, globalization, george soros etc? What are they trying to accomplish?

Global, unelected, unaccountable government run primarily by corporations. Not the type of government we are used to, with politicians and campaigns and votes, but a uniform society directed by technocrats and driven by eugenics.

[fakeyank]

Global, unelected, unaccountable government run primarily by corporations. Not the type of government we are used to, with politicians and campaigns and votes, but a uniform society directed by technocrats and driven by eugenics.

1. Most governments around the world are run by corporations right now. What will be the difference?
2. Let us say we get to this global unaccountable govt, how will life be different than what it is now?

[Letters]

Maths :bow:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78

[Mac76]

I leave this here...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/donald-trump-us-election-misinformation-media

[Letters]

I leave this here...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/donald-trump-us-election-misinformation-media

The trouble is, that's not how the conspiracy theory mindset works.
Any evidence which shows the conspiracy theory isn't correct becomes part of the conspiracy
So it's quite hard to argue with.

[Niall_Quinn]

1. Most governments around the world are run by corporations right now. What will be the difference?
2. Let us say we get to this global unaccountable govt, how will life be different than what it is now?

Yes, we're getting dangerously close, but we're not there yet. These corporations currently co-exist and collaborate with/ compete with national governments and must at least give the appearance of operating within the bounds of national legislatures and their own interim, international legislatures. Read up on TTP, TTIP, RCEP, FTAAP and AGOA to examine how such constraints are being removed. Then envisage the obvious next step. Once corporations can override the laws that we, the people, are constrained by they essentially have more rights than we do. History consistently tells us what happens then. The TL/DR answer is, we'll have regressed to feudalism but this time not based on the supremacy of God, but the supremacy of man (or worse).

The coming world will be like Star Trek. Yep, that's how protesting students convince themselves. In reality, there will be fewer of us (far fewer), we'll live in tightly confined spaces under even tighter control and all our decisions will be made for us and our requirements catered to us by a specialised and separate class that refers to nobody and answers to nobody. It will probably be a peaceful world (under pains of instant death for transgressors), with less suffering on a surface level (for those who comply), but it will also be a mentally disabled world of silent torment where everything that makes us human has been stripped away. History again intervenes to show us what this is like, if you think of the plantations in the deep south of America during the time of slavery, or the English peasant on his rented land working every hour to pay that rent.

What are most people fighting for today? Their dignity and freedom? Or an upgrade to their iPhone? They'll even campaign bitterly and turn against their own, such is their urgency to install the bars of the emerging prison.

[Niall_Quinn]

I leave this here...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/donald-trump-us-election-misinformation-media

Best to carry on censoring it then.

[Niall_Quinn]

You'll see many new election experts emerge in the coming weeks. Some of them are repeating what they see in the clueless mainstream media. Others are busy planting fake information. New, previously unheard of, terms like Benford's Law will emerge, and the new experts will feverishly debate backwards and forwards. This is all a distraction from the process.

One example of the left wing fakery is voter turnout. It's true, some districts did have a turnout that exceeded 100% Those that know even the basics about the US electoral system also know this is possible. Rare, but possible. Don't let them drag you down blind alleys and away from the process.

Not much will happen now until next week. Apart from the mainstream media continuing to push its fake news, of course. That never stops.

[GP]

https://twitter.com/jonvoight/status/1326323889417322497

Mental illness.

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7iWECm_8E

[Letters]

My favourite still from the above. Actual exchange in court in one of the lawsuits Trump's team filed about Republican observers not being allowed to observe the process:

https://i.ibb.co/J2gm4WF/Drumpf.jpg

Non zero number :haha:

[Mac76]

You'll see many new election experts emerge in the coming weeks. Some of them are repeating what they see in the clueless mainstream media. Others are busy planting fake information. New, previously unheard of, terms like Benford's Law will emerge, and the new experts will feverishly debate backwards and forwards. This is all a distraction from the process.

One example of the left wing fakery is voter turnout. It's true, some districts did have a turnout that exceeded 100% Those that know even the basics about the US electoral system also know this is possible. Rare, but possible. Don't let them drag you down blind alleys and away from the process.

Not much will happen now until next week. Apart from the mainstream media continuing to push its fake news, of course. That never stops.

neither do you stop pushing yours - why are still doing it now you've been fired? :haha:

[GP]

My favourite still from the above. Actual exchange in court in one of the lawsuits Trump's team filed about Republican observers not being allowed to observe the process:

https://i.ibb.co/J2gm4WF/Drumpf.jpg

Non zero number :haha:

Not a hope, not a clue.

[Letters]

It’s perfectly simple.

“They” rigged the general election, but they forgot to rig the senate and house races.
They rigged Pennsylvania but forgot to rig Florida for some reason.
They rigged Georgia, but only by such a close margin that they’re now doing a recount of all the votes, greatly increasing their risk of getting caught.

They :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

neither do you stop pushing yours - why are still doing it now you've been fired? :haha:

Fired? By whom, from what? Have you just pushed fake information to accuse me of pushing fake information?

[Mac76]

Fired? By whom, from what? Have you just pushed fake information to accuse me of pushing fake information?

Tou admitted you worked for the right in the US election and even if you hadn't, i can only assume you were being paid to spend all day pushing propoganda, if not you must have been neglecting your day job so guess what - you're still fired :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Tou admitted you worked for the right in the US election and even if you hadn't, i can only assume you were being paid to spend all day pushing propoganda, if not you must have been neglecting your day job so guess what - you're still fired :haha:

I said I worked "with" a gubernatorial campaign. And no, I wasn't permitted to make any public announcements (or even issue opinions) on behalf of or about the campaign. And, finally, no, I haven't been fired from the business I own. Why don't you get your facts in order before coming up with your conspiracy theories?

[Letters]

Wow. Gubernatorial is a real word.
You learn something every day.

[Niall_Quinn]

Nervous mainstream media making the slow transition from "no evidence" to "no widespread evidence" as the number of witnesses prepared to appear in court hits 5 figures. Which is not even the main thrust of the legal challenge.

Social media running out of control as they censor dissenting opinion for being too popular. This might be the most important aspect of the information war. If social media can get through this without consequences they are essentially unaccountable. Why anyone would want that, regardless of an election, is worrying to put it mildly.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Trump wants to do something to counter the fake news media and the big tech censors, he should pardon Assange and Snowden, two of the most important journalists in modern history. I'm not sure Assange could ever get back to full speed, having suffered so thoroughly at the hands of the political police. But Snowden and other real journalists who have been expelled from the fake news tent, or walked away in disgust, could form a powerful alternative for people who are increasingly searching for real information.

[Letters]

Nervous mainstream media.
:lol:

[Mac76]

I said I worked "with" a gubernatorial campaign. And no, I wasn't permitted to make any public announcements (or even issue opinions) on behalf of or about the campaign. And, finally, no, I haven't been fired from the business I own. Why don't you get your facts in order before coming up with your conspiracy theories?

But your company has clients and if they stop working with you then... you're fired :haha:

[Letters]

Back in the real world :d

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sarahmimms/trump-campaign-ignores-false-voter-fraud-claim-usps

[Niall_Quinn]

But your company has clients and if they stop working with you then... you're fired :haha:

From one theory to the next. That's the problem with conspiracy theories. Each time you debunk one aspect another pops up.

[Niall_Quinn]

You'll see the fake news crew here on this forum link to anything and everything that upholds their low information world view, blindly believing the stories they link to and not bothering to do the most basic research. They don't really care if what they are posting is true or not. Instead they are playing an Internet game. The low grade quality is protected by the velocity at which they deliver each new piece of fake news. Past transgressions are buried as the pile grows.

However, it is sometimes useful to follow one of their links and then conduct your own research. Not only does it allow you to identify these people for future reference, but their linked material tends to be propaganda that is attempting to diffuse or deter from useful information that a few subsequent searches can reveal. It's a bit like reading the front page of the BBC web site. It's not useful in terms of news, but it can give you a quick snapshot of what you're not supposed to question or investigate.

Another instance is the Buzzfeed fake news story about a USPS postal worker, linked to by a low information member of this forum. The mere fact it is Buzzfeed ought to be enough to deter any clued in viewer, but if that's not enough the hit-piece itself concludes with:

UPDATE
November 11, 2020, at 8:13 p.m.
This story was updated after Hopkins posted a video saying he did not recant his story.

And what the fake news site Buzzfeed doesn't mention is the target of their fake news recorded a very strange encounter with officials which you should really listen to for yourselves. And that's how you'll find the real news in this story, beyond the election fraud. Listening to the audio will give you a good insight into the sort of people you are dealing with.

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's a taster of some other headlines from the Buzzfeed comedy site. At a time when news is important, you get the following. I wonder. Why do so many "journalists" need to reveal themselves in this manner if no fraud has occurred? It should be a simple matter of a few recounts and done. Why would any "landsliders" be concerned about that? Because it casts doubt? Because it harms the smooth transfer of power? I doubt anyone would buy that after 4 years of trying to delegitimise and demonise a presidency 24/7. It's odd behaviour, isn't it?

Judges Are Rejecting Trump’s False Claims Of Shady Poll Practices After Looking At The Evidence
Zoe Tillman · Nov. 6, 2020

There Have Been No Widespread Problems Counting Votes, So Trump Is Making Up A Bunch Of Lies
Addy Baird · Nov. 6, 2020

Here’s How The Republicans Are Undermining Biden's Election Win
Tasneem Nashrulla · Nov. 10, 2020

The Attorney General Has Authorized The DOJ To Look Into Baseless Claims Of Voting "Irregularities"
Salvador Hernandez · Nov. 10, 2020

Journalism?

[Letters]

Meanwhile back in the real world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBaMbQMeEs

[Niall_Quinn]

Here you see the low information spammer simply moving on, to bury the last transgression. Again, another fake news source, this time the notorious CNN.

The low information spammer doesn't know what the video is about, beyond the basics, or what the purpose of the video is, but he posts it anyway. This time he's selling a CNN conspiracy theory that America is under increasing threat if the president continues to exercise his right to challenge election fraud. Where will it end? Alien invasion if we can't get Biden in by Friday?

EDIT: And he's just quietly deleted the video I mentioned. Nothing can ever be taken on face value with these people, can it?

[Globalgunner]

The forces arranged against Trump include many of his own party. They want things to go back to the way things used to be with good old Invasions and resource wars. Good for stocks and shares. That's why there is really only 1 party in the US. if the Republicans manage to keep hold of the Senate as looks very likely. They will put immense pressure on him to back down or quietly tell the state operatives to simply do a pony show of the court cases. Without the Senate Sleepy Joe cant really do anything.

[Letters]

Without the Senate Sleepy Joe cant really do anything.

Right. So what are you worried about?
So Trump’s claim is that there were loads of fraudulent ballots which swung states against him.
But those same ballots could well give the Republicans a majority in the Senate.
Did the Dems forget to rig that bit?

There are no “forces”, there was a General Election.
And 74 million people told Trump “You’re Fired”.
Slightly depressing that 70 million people thought he was doing a good job but there you go.

The results haven’t been certified yet of course but Trump didn’t have much issue with accepting it when the AP called it for him last time.

Trump has serious psychological issues. Just look at the way he talks.
I’m the best at...
I understand more about ... than anyone.

The idea that he might have lost an election doesn’t compute. His fragile ego can’t take it.
So instead of conceding the point like every other candidate he’s having a massive tantrum.
It’s embarrassing really.

And fine, he’ll have his day in court so let’s see how that goes.
Last time I checked he was 0 for 10.
If the evidence is as good as some people claim then...well, I don’t know what will happen but I guess fraud that widespread being exposed is a good thing.

Back in the real world he’s going to be laughed out of court.
At that point the conspiracy theorists should accept they were wrong.
But they won’t, they’ll simply double down and claim that the courts are “in on it” or that evidence was suppressed.
That way they won’t need to do any introspection or consider that they might not understand things as well as they think they do.

Addendum:

https://news.yahoo.com/detroit-lawyers-say-fraud-allegations-based-on-extraordinary-failure-to-understand-how-elections-function-001821778.html?ncid=twitter_yahoonewst_sjwumo1bpf4&guccounter=1

[Letters]

This is the video I deleted by the way.
I posted the wrong one by accident :doh:
But it’s quite good and exposes a lot of hypocrisy so enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE1duSwgrvM

EDIT: This quote is interesting and telling


And he's just quietly deleted the video I mentioned. Nothing can ever be taken on face value with these people, can it?

Always suspicious, always thinking that "they" are up to something. In this instance the "they" is me. But back in the real world...I simply posted the wrong link the first time, I was doing it on a mobile and copied a link from the wrong browser tab. I deleted the post when I realised while I found the correct link. Although I have now posted it as I think it's a good video. The levels of delusion and paranoia that I was "up to something" - like NQ thinks everyone is - is there for all to see.
:tiphat:

[Niall_Quinn]

With these people, sometimes the excuses are more revealing than the deed.

[Letters]

Q.E.D. :)

[Letters]

More compelling evidence from the Trump legal team in Philly :lol:

https://i.ibb.co/pJcGPG8/Evidence.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

The forces arranged against Trump include many of his own party. They want things to go back to the way things used to be with good old Invasions and resource wars. Good for stocks and shares. That's why there is really only 1 party in the US. if the Republicans manage to keep hold of the Senate as looks very likely. They will put immense pressure on him to back down or quietly tell the state operatives to simply do a pony show of the court cases. Without the Senate Sleepy Joe cant really do anything.

I doubt Trump's team has any illusions about who they can and can't rely on by this stage. But the swamp Republicans and RINOs will have to tread very carefully regardless because 72 million Americans support Trump, not them. And that number is growing as day-tripping voters from the left start to hear details about the prize they just won.

This is politics in its purest form and it's going to be played out in front of the people for a change. If Trump plays this right over the next two months he could break that one party system into pieces. His path to victory extends way beyond the courts or any election.

Boris Johnson put his foot in it again. Smart leaders have remained silent.

[Niall_Quinn]

Swamp creature Brennan speaks:


"The fact...that he has the powers of the presidency in his hands is quite worrisome," Brennan told CNN's Chris Cuomo.

"If Vice President Pence and the cabinet had an ounce of fortitude and spine and patriotism, I think they would seriously consider invoking the 25th Amendment and pushing Donald Trump out because he is just very unpredictable now," he continued. "I'm very concerned what he might do in his remaining 70 days in office. Is he going to take some type of military action? Is he going to release some type of information that could in fact threaten our national security interests?"

Or is he going to take the public on an adventure ride through the swamp?

Would he start a war? I don't know John, would he? You spent four years trying to bounce him into one. How did that go?

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's the person in question explaining the lengths the fake news media will go to to install their candidate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LRrSRljMi8

Forget about the election fraud, disregard whether this guy is a whistleblower or a fantasist. Instead, have a think about why the mainstream media would publish such a transparent lie. Or why Twitter would run the lie repeatedly in its recommended articles panel. Or why even people on this forum would then spread the lie.

Why the need for so many to be lying so blatantly? And if these liars prevail, where does that take us?

The target of these lies has already been suspended from his job. Concerned individuals started a GoFundMe campaign on his behalf. You can guess what happened next. Why is it so important for whistleblowers to be destroyed by the establishment? And why do we see repeatedly the pattern of one swamp corporation collaborating with another to punish whistleblowers across the spectrum?

The questions answer themselves. The nature of the corporations and individuals spreading these lies is laid bare. So desperate. So transparent.

A reminder. Find for yourself the audio recording of the creepy agents who visited this whistleblower. Well worth the listen.

[Letters]

Quote hard to get to the bottom of this one.
He claimed he heard some people say a thing.
Then apparently recanted, according to a couple of sources. But now he's saying he didn't do that.
And even if he did hear a thing - which will just be his word against other people's and I guess he has no evidence for other than him saying it (to be fair, what other evidence could he have?)
It's not enough votes to make a difference anyway

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-pa-postal-fraud-richard-hopkins-erie-b1721107.html

:wacko:

[Niall_Quinn]

Thank heavens for independent, unbiased journalists and members of the public who are here to assist people who still believe their lying eyes.

The Hopkins story is complex. Far too complex for you, dear reader, to figure out without assistance.

It goes like this. A postal worker claims election fraud occurred at the USPS where he worked, until they suspended him. The Washington Post (and other respectable journals) then claimed he recanted to company officials. Unknown to those company officials, the postal worker recorded them trying to get him to change his story. He then released his own video (and the audio) and clearly stated he does not recant anything and is prepared to go to court and give his evidence.

What can we tell from this story that "Doesn't even matter"?

Well, we now know he "flip-flops". He says clearly that's not the case and has audio to prove it. But the Independent says otherwise. It's one of those classic He-said, They-blatantly-lied dilemmas where you just don't know who to believe. However, the Washington Post and Buzzfeed support the Independent so, if I were you, I'd discount everything the witness has to say. There is nothing to see here. And even if there is, it just doesn't matter because Trump won't win.

So, you see, this isn't about truth or lies, it's about authority and outcome. This isn't some silly game of principles, this is the real world.

It's at times like this we can fall back on the wisdom of somebody who knows how to handle situations like these for a successful outcome.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." -- Joseph Goebbels

I have every confidence in the full might of the establishment to silence this troublesome citizen.

And credit must also go to other, more cooperative, citizens who help the establishment in all its endeavours. The state could not prosper were it not for the army of everyday heroes doing its bidding, day after day.

[GP]

Quote hard to get to the bottom of this one.
He claimed he heard some people say a thing.
Then apparently recanted, according to a couple of sources. But now he's saying he didn't do that.
And even if he did hear a thing - which will just be his word against other people's and I guess he has no evidence for other than him saying it (to be fair, what other evidence could he have?)
It's not enough votes to make a difference anyway

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-pa-postal-fraud-richard-hopkins-erie-b1721107.html

:wacko:

https://i.imgur.com/Dddq2gh.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

Maccy's pet troll to the rescue :bow:

[WMUG]

Why didn't Trump drain the swamp like he did he would?

[Letters]

like he did he would?
:pal:

:d

[GP]

Typos are funny.

But to answer his question, it's because he built a swamp even Shrek would be proud of.

[Mac76]

Here's the person in question explaining the lengths the fake news media will go to to install their candidate.

Forget about the election fraud, disregard whether this guy is a whistleblower or a fantasist. Instead, have a think about why the mainstream media would publish such a transparent lie. Or why Twitter would run the lie repeatedly in its recommended articles panel.

simple - clickbait - they know people will watch the story = more ad revenue

[Mac76]

Why the need for so many to be lying so blatantly?

because they're Trump supporters and they want their man to wiin at any cost, even if it undermines democracy

do let us know if you need any more answers to questions the average four-year-old wouldn't even need to ask, won't you?

[Niall_Quinn]

Talking of 4yr olds, the media's lying to get clicks and they are Trump supporters anyway? This doesn't help your girlfriend look any prettier.

[Letters]

Everyone thinks they have the prettiest girlfriend :sulk:

[Letters]

Thank heavens for independent, unbiased journalists

No such thing. Your mistake is to think that your sources are those things. They are not.
Your other mistake is to think that anything untrue is a lie - which means malicious intent - or that the person/organisation saying it is "up to something".
Not necessarily the case. Sure, people and organisations have agendas - including your sources - but they also make mistakes.
So above I posted a link to the wrong video and deleted it when I realised while I found the right one. I posted the original one later as I always intended to.
You immediately infer malicious intent :rolleyes:
Compare and contrast when you recently misread the first paragraph of an article I posted, I pointed that out, you admitted you misread it and that was that.
Note how I didn't immediately imply you were trying to mislead me, you just misread something. It happens.


The Hopkins story is complex.

I don't think it is as complicated as you've made it sound. The postal worker it seems has good intentions.
Trump is desperately trying to cling to power, possibly because of his ego, possibly to keep squeezing money out of his supporters, maybe both.
So the assertions of fraud are very much in the public eye. This dude overheard a bit of a conversation and made an assumption about backdated ballots.
It's hardly the Watergate tapes. He's not busted the whole thing wide open and if it's people like him Trump is relying on then good luck with that.

[Mac76]

Talking of 4yr olds, the media's lying to get clicks and they are Trump supporters anyway? This doesn't help your girlfriend look any prettier.

no the guy who's lying is a Trump supporter - the media are just repeating the message for clicks

is that clear now or do you need a diagram?

[Niall_Quinn]

no the guy who's lying is a Trump supporter - the media are just repeating the message for clicks

is that clear now or do you need a diagram?

Well this guy is going to do between 5-15 years in prison if he's lying, as you assert. So that's bad news for him. And the other 1,200 or so individuals that have filed so far.

Yeah, pictures would be great. Seeing as you brought the whole conversation down to the level of a toddler, let's get some pictures up here.

[Niall_Quinn]

Trump's going to have 100 million supporters by the end of the month if current plans by the Biden regime become public knowledge. I'm sure the media will do everything it can to prevent that happening, and social media will ramp up the censorship to keep reality leaks to a minimum. But even so, not all Democratic voters are driven purely by hatred. Some of them will care about jobs and taxes and freedom of expression and foreign wars and national lockdowns. A Dark Winter was promised and a Dark Winter will be delivered. Reality is going to bite hard.

[Letters]

If he’s lying then I think he’d have made up something better than “I heard part of an out of context conversation which might mean a thing”.

[Mac76]

Trump's going to have 100 million supporters by the end of the month if current plans by the Biden regime become public knowledge. I'm sure the media will do everything it can to prevent that happening, and social media will ramp up the censorship to keep reality leaks to a minimum. But even so, not all Democratic voters are driven purely by hatred. Some of them will care about jobs and taxes and freedom of expression and foreign wars and national lockdowns. A Dark Winter was promised and a Dark Winter will be delivered. Reality is going to bite hard.

Sure dream on - you're still fired :haha:

[GP]

VOTER FRAUD!!!

https://twitter.com/TheGoodLiars/status/1263867787925229568

[WMUG]

:pal:

:d

<_<

[Mac76]

Shouldn't this thread be closed anyway, the election's over, Trump lost, Biden won, end of, right...? :shrug:

[GP]

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302

:lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wait!

They were unloading the vans from the back?

Somebody should look in to that.

[GP]

Wait!

They were unloading the vans from the back?

Somebody should look in to that.

This is the best they've got.

[Niall_Quinn]

This morning the deep state messaging is moving from "no widespread fraud" to "coup"

25th Amendment next.

Slowly, slowly.

[GP]

The Confederacy, the Third Reich, Trump...

MAGAts sure do love losers.

[Letters]

A postal worker claims election fraud occurred at the USPS where he worked
Incorrect. Fake news. He heard part of a conversation which - in the context of Trump whining about widespread fraud - concerned him. Direct quote:

"I didn't specifically hear the whole story, I just heard a part of it. And I could have missed a lot of it. My mind probably added the rest. I understand that...I was like, I don't know how much of the conversation I heard. I just know I heard this and it freaked me out"

He was also instructed to pick up ballots after election day and give them to the supervisor but he doesn't know what happened to them or have any evidence that they were backdated.
But anyway, it concerned him. So he took what he heard to Project Veritas who then wrote an affidavit which he signed.
Note that Project Veritas wrote the affidavit and it greatly embellishes what actually occurred.


The Washington Post (and other respectable journals) then claimed he recanted to company officials. Unknown to those company officials, the postal worker recorded them trying to get him to change his story. He then released his own video (and the audio) and clearly stated he does not recant anything and is prepared to go to court and give his evidence.

Nope. Wrong again :(. He actually told them he was recording.
Towards the end of the conversation, admittedly, but they made no attempt to make him stop - they actively told him he could keep recording and clearly didn't get him to delete the audio or it wouldn't have been released.
And they weren't "trying" to get him to change his story, they were trying to understand what he actually saw or heard. Then they read the affidavit written by Project Veritas and signed by him back to him.
From the audio he recorded:

(The USPS agent reads the paragraph of the affidavit alleging back dating of postal ballots)
Richard: "That's definitely a lot more specific than what I would have".
USPS: "Would you agree with me that based on what you and I discussed today that this paragraph ... has a significant amount of interpretation in it"
Richard: "Yes"
USPS: "And interpretation is not necessarily fact. Do you agree?"
Richard: "Yes"

(He then agrees that the paragraph should be amended to represent the 100% truth of what he heard)

USPS: "As we sit here today, you wouldn't swear to that paragraph?"
Richard: At this point, no.

:shrug:


Well, we now know he "flip-flops". He says clearly that's not the case and has audio to prove it.

He's sticking to his story, he did overhear a conversation which concerned him. And he was ordered to collect ballots after election day and that concerned him.
But he admits that he has no actual physical evidence of any wrongdoing. And he agreed that the affidavit overstates the evidence of wrongdoing he has which is basically none.


I'd discount everything the witness has to say. There is nothing to see here.

Well no, obviously it's worth investigating and is being.
But what he's saying is "I heard something which I think might have meant a thing" and "I was instructed to pick up ballots and I think that might mean a thing".
He literally says "I don't really have any physical evidence".
So...yeah. Good luck in court with that one, Donald.

[Mac76]

the whole thing makes me sick

maybe i'm looking at the past throgh rose-tinted spectacles but can't help feeling we're now in an age where no-one is ever wrong, they are just being misrepresented / smeared / cheated etc

no-one feels they have to look at themselves or really challenge threir own mindsets, they can find some ranter on youtube who will affirm thm in their prejudices and feeling of self-righteousness

you could say it was ever thus but it just feels like it's gone to another level

the way Trump has systematically sought to undermine this Biden win (for that's what it is) right from the start is so dangerous and he just doesn't care

Russia must be f*****g loving this, after the EU vote it's another huge victory for anyone wanting to destory any democratic ideals or sense of fair play

[Niall_Quinn]

The lengths they'll go to to miss the point. The original point related to the mainstream media releasing fake news and blatant lies.

So now the debate changes and becomes painstaking raking, what did the witness hear, will it stand up in court? Quietly giving the fake news media and the people who spread fake news a pass.

[Niall_Quinn]

the whole thing makes me sick

maybe i'm looking at the past throgh rose-tinted spectacles but can't help feeling we're now in an age where no-one is ever wrong, they are just being misrepresented / smeared / cheated etc

no-one feels they have to look at themselves or really challenge threir own mindsets, they can find some ranter on youtube who will affirm thm in their prejudices and feeling of self-righteousness

you could say it was ever thus but it just feels like it's gone to another level

the way Trump has systematically sought to undermine this Biden win (for that's what it is) right from the start is so dangerous and he just doesn't care

Russia must be f*****g loving this, after the EU vote it's another huge victory for anyone wanting to destory any democratic ideals or sense of fair play

If you educated yourself you wouldn't feel sick anymore. It's primarily the media that twists your mind and causes the sickness, but also your lack of knowledge. The latter is in your own hands to remedy, and by doing so you'd remove your dependency on the media.

[Letters]

The lengths they'll go to to miss the point. The original point related to the mainstream media releasing fake news and blatant lies.
That would work way better if the post of yours I was replying to didn't start "A postal worker claims election fraud occurred at the USPS where he worked" which is, to coin a phrase, fake news and a blatant lie. The Trump campaign got very excited about this dude because it seemed like evidence of the sort of thing that Trump is claiming. But actually the USPS worker admits he has no hard evidence of fraud, he had concerns about a fragment of a conversation he heard and some instructions he was given. He has raised those concerns. Project Veritas completely misrepresented him and overstated the level of evidence he had. He admitted that during the interview with the USPS agents.

Now, the way this whole story has been reported I'll agree has been confusing and at times misleading. I've seen some stories claim that the USPS bloke admitted he made the whole thing up, which is a blatant lie. But the Project Veritas affidavit is a bunch of lies too. So your basic point about the mainstream media I'll concede. The USPS dude didn't completely recant but he DID agree that the affidavit does not accurately represent what he witnessed. It's hardly the smoking gun which is going to crack this whole thing wide open that the Trump campaign were hoping.


So now the debate changes and becomes painstaking raking, what did the witness hear, will it stand up in court? Quietly giving the fake news media and the people who spread fake news a pass.

So first you complained that I wasn't researching things ("You'll see the fake news crew here on this forum link to anything and everything that upholds their low information world view, blindly believing the stories they link to and not bothering to do the most basic research."), now you're complaining that I followed your advice and did research it and found it didn't say what you claimed? :shrug:

From your original post:


And what the fake news site Buzzfeed doesn't mention is the target of their fake news recorded a very strange encounter with officials which you should really listen to for yourselves. And that's how you'll find the real news in this story, beyond the election fraud. Listening to the audio will give you a good insight into the sort of people you are dealing with.

OK, so I listened. And what sort of people do you think that is? They were courteous throughout, when he told them he was recording they said he could continue. They regularly checked that he was OK, made it clear that any changes to the affidavit were entirely voluntary. When they read him the paragraph from the affidavit about back dating he agreed he couldn't stand by that. When they read him the paragraph which claimed that they'd interrogated him (in a previous meeting) the USPS dude actually said without prompting that he wouldn't call it that and that it was a cordial enough meeting. And so was the one being recorded.

There are two separate things here, let's not get them mixed up.
1) The media twist things - well, yes, but so have Project Veritas and so have you in saying that the USPS dude "claims election fraud occurred". He did not claim that. We all have our biases. But point taken about digging in to things more.
2) The USPS dude has nothing. He doesn't even claim to have anything. He has half an overheard conversation and the fact that he was instructed to collect ballots. He has no evidence of back dating, no hard evidence of any actual fraud.

You seem to be continuing to believe that this election is being stolen from Trump. Where's the actual evidence?
We have this bloke. We have the lady who says she saw a van.
We have a bunch of people who have signed affidavits which show an "extraordinary failure to understand how elections function".
I mean, come on dude. Is this really the best they can come up with?

[GP]

I mean, come on dude. Is this really the best they can come up with?

Yep

[Niall_Quinn]

And all he has to do is post, oops, that was fake news. Sorry. Instead, it's a pleading essay of excuses.

[Letters]

And all he has to do is post, oops, that was fake news. Sorry. Instead, it's a pleading essay of excuses.

Are you going to apologise for the false statement that:


"A postal worker claims election fraud occurred at the USPS where he worked"

:shrug:

If you still believe that this election has been stolen then present your evidence. Do it for The Donald if not for me, he's got nothing so far.

[Niall_Quinn]

And if all else fails, they blame YOU for what they have done.

[Letters]

No evidence.
No argument.
And, when this is all over, you will continue to believe the election has been stolen.
Ah well.

[Niall_Quinn]

Undaunted by exposure they will claim the high ground, perform a reset and then move on to the next piece of fake news as if nothing happened. They have short memories and attention spans so might even wake up the next day fully believing there is no pattern to their behaviour.

[WMUG]

Undaunted by exposure they will claim the high ground, perform a reset and then move on to the next piece of fake news as if nothing happened. They have short memories and attention spans so might even wake up the next day fully believing there is no pattern to their behaviour.

That describes you perfectly mate.

[Letters]

Still no evidence to present? :)

[Letters]

Another nonsense lawsuit thrown out.

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/michigan-judge-puts-the-kibosh-on-trump-supporters-conspiracy-theories-about-detroit/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Mac76]

That describes you perfectly mate.

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

That describes you perfectly mate.

Interesting. Explain.

[Letters]

:lol: Even China congratulate Biden now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54871890

[GP]

Biden wins Georgia. Finally.

[Letters]

Biden wins Georgia. Finally.

On course for 306 electoral college votes.
Same as Trump got in 2016.

[GP]

On course for 306 electoral college votes.
Same as Trump got in 2016.

4 years ago, that was apparently a landslide.

[Niall_Quinn]

There's an interesting comparison to make between the "good" guys and Americans. The Americans are following a constituted, legal path. The "good" guys are sending screaming mobs against the law firms that are following the law. It's an odd way of being "good", if the aim is to heal, reconcile and uphold the democratic process. Reminds me of the violence the"good" guys used to express their demands, while Americans stood down.

It's confusing, isn't it? How violence and intimidation are so common in the pursuit of "good".

[Letters]

4 years ago, that was apparently a landslide.

And he lost to a guy he described like this :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFHyiunZXmw

[Niall_Quinn]

A new poll reveals that 4.6% of Biden voters wouldn't have voted for him if the media had done its job. Or, specifically, if the media had explained Biden's corruption and ties to China.

Personally I don't buy it and have no sympathy. I blame the 4.6% who can't be bothered to read a book. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who Biden is. But it takes an idiot not to be aware of it.

So I don't buy into this new angle. Stupid people are stupid people regardless. And a corrupt media goes without saying.

[Niall_Quinn]

Low information cheerleaders are marvelling at the court cases being thrown out at state level. They don't realise that cases need to be thrown out in corrupt jurisdictions in order to promote those cases to a higher court. It's not the rulings that count. It's the precedence that is being set. And media junkies seem to have missed one ruling that equals everything. You won't see them mention it. A state supreme court overruled by the legislative body that has the supreme authority to dictate what is and what isn't. This is the key case Trump has won. And the only case that matters so far. The rest is procedure. If the low information crowd had any appreciation of the law and the Constitution (impossibility), they'd realise this has been a very good opening for Trump.

The media already realises. That's why they are talking about "coups" (as if they haven't already staged one), and that's why their hired thugs are hitting the streets.

It was 80/20

Now it's 60/40

This is before the radical left shoots the whole shit show in the foot. That's coming soon. They won't be able to help themselves.

Soon there will be more affidavits than votes required. Because they hired the wrong types to commit the steal. Bell curve deficit types. You know what I mean if you have seen the coverage. Silly move. These people are useful in a riot, but not when it comes to semi-literate stuff.

[Letters]

Yeah. Meanwhile, back in the real world...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8948397/Trumps-legal-problems-worsen-Philadelphia-appeals-court-denies-five-law-suits.html

Your use of the phrase "corrupt jurisdictions" is telling. The cases are being laughed out of court left, right and centre.
In the real world that's because they don't have any decent evidence, in your world it's because of "corrupt jurisdictions".
Because, of course, it can't be because there's no credible evidence, it has to be corruption.
You're too clever, too well informed, understand too much to be wrong, aren't you?

But your claim to be "high information" is rather undermined by your lies about the USPS guy.
"A postal worker claims election fraud occurred at the USPS where he worked" - lie. He didn't claim that.
"Unknown to those company officials, the postal worker recorded them trying to get him to change his story" - lie. 2 lies actually. First lie, he told them he was recording, late in the conversation but they said he could continue and made no attempt to delete the recording. Second lie, the recording doesn't show them "trying" to get him to change his story. They go through what happened and then read the affidavit back to him - which wasn't written by him - and he agrees he couldn't stand by that in court. It massively overstates what he actually witnessed. If it's people like him that The Donald is pinning his hopes on then he'd better pack his bags.

And by "people like him", let me clarify that. Because he seems like a decent bloke, I don't think he's delusional or lying to stir up trouble. He's just a patriot who, in a climate where the Toddler In Chief is desperately trying to cling to power and making baseless allegations of having the election stolen from him, heard something that concerned him and called it in. But under the gentlest cross examination it became clear he didn't actually witness anything which is evidence of fraud. So let's come to that.

"Listening to the audio will give you a good insight into the sort of people you are dealing with."

That is revealing because it shows your bias and delusion. I took your advice and did listen to the audio. You know what I heard? It was a perfectly pleasant and friendly exchange. The USPS agent who was leading repeatedly asks him if he's OK, let's him take breaks when he needs to, lets him continue recording when he tells them he is. The agent makes it clear that any amendments to the affidavit are entirely voluntary.
You listen to the same thing and...well what? What do you hear? As always you imply some nefarious intent but the audio just doesn't bear that out.

The video I watched was titled "RAW AUDIO of USPS Whistleblower Richard Hopkins FULL COERCIVE INTERROGATION!". I listened to it and thought "what interrogation?! They're just talking to him". Late in the audio they get to the part of the affidavit which states he was interrogated (in a previous meeting with the agents) and Hopkins himself takes exception to that word.
And what coercion? He quite voluntarily says it was a half heard conversation from which he made certain assumptions and "my mind might've made up the rest".

You whine about us poor "low information" saps who don't understand things as well as you do.
But then you whine when I do listen to the audio you pointed me to and it just doesn't say the things you claim it does.
:shrug:

I'll ignore the rest of your delusion. I don't care how many affidavits Trump's team have got, it's quality we're looking for, not quantity.
A load of people, whipped up by Trump, saying "Yeah, I think I saw a thing" isn't going to cut it in court.
Back in the real world even China are congratulating Biden.

And why is Trump so desperate to cling to power? Well, my thoughts are it's partly because he has some serious psychological issues and the very idea that he might have lost does not compute with him. So he has to reframe things. "I didn't lose, they stole it". Like young children do, but most grow out of it.
And partly it's because he's got a shit-ton of lawsuits and debts being called in (EDIT: His campaign are desperately sending his supporters emails asking for money to dig him out of some of that debt )when he leaves the Oval Office.
Which he will.
In January.

But hey, if you have any killer evidence of widespread fraud which us poor low information saps don't know about then please present it.
Right now, you're sounding like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE63y7ctAwA

[Mac76]

Low information cheerleaders are marvelling at the court cases being thrown out at state level. They don't realise that cases need to be thrown out in corrupt jurisdictions in order to promote those cases to a higher court. It's not the rulings that count. It's the precedence that is being set. And media junkies seem to have missed one ruling that equals everything. You won't see them mention it. A state supreme court overruled by the legislative body that has the supreme authority to dictate what is and what isn't. This is the key case Trump has won. And the only case that matters so far. The rest is procedure. If the low information crowd had any appreciation of the law and the Constitution (impossibility), they'd realise this has been a very good opening for Trump.

The media already realises. That's why they are talking about "coups" (as if they haven't already staged one), and that's why their hired thugs are hitting the streets.

It was 80/20

Now it's 60/40

This is before the radical left shoots the whole shit show in the foot. That's coming soon. They won't be able to help themselves.

Soon there will be more affidavits than votes required. Because they hired the wrong types to commit the steal. Bell curve deficit types. You know what I mean if you have seen the coverage. Silly move. These people are useful in a riot, but not when it comes to semi-literate stuff.

blah blah fraud blah blah lefties blah blah commies blah blah look at this on youtube blah blah Trump good blah blah Biden bad blah blah dark forces blah blah fake news blah blah Bill Gates blah blah wah wah wah ...

let me know if i missed anything ;)

[Niall_Quinn]

On the other side, there seems to be a lot of confidence the coup can succeed. The confidence is so high, some of the swamp creatures are openly boasting about their crimes. Looks like the old normal is returning for some while the new normal runs full steam ahead for the rest of us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKKnAG2CPno

[Niall_Quinn]

blah blah fraud blah blah lefties blah blah commies blah blah look at this on youtube blah blah Trump good blah blah Biden bad blah blah dark forces blah blah fake news blah blah Bill Gates blah blah wah wah wah ...

let me know if i missed anything ;)

You seem upset. Why not relax and curl up with a good book? A history of Biden's 47 years on the teat. Then you can have fun trying to square what you learn with your Citizen Smith routine.

[Niall_Quinn]

Leftists who are cheering on the Lincoln Project, have a quick search for PNAC. Snuggle up.

[Letters]

To whom it may concern

https://i.ibb.co/q5vLqrk/You-Are-Here.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

Lefty slime are walking freely through the Trump rally today shouting, "Fuck Donald Trump". They haven't seen stabbed, or shot, or beaten to death. Makes you wonder. Maybe. Who is human? Who is evil? I guess they'll keep going, trying to promote their favourite brand of politics, which is violence.

[Niall_Quinn]

Detailed take-down of the effete, snobbish, dependant but entitled, champaign left.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6idYZ25Qq6w

[Letters]

Maths :bow:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aokNwKx7gM8

[Mac76]

You seem upset. Why not relax and curl up with a good book? A history of Biden's 47 years on the teat. Then you can have fun trying to square what you learn with your Citizen Smith routine.

nice try but as you know full well i was perfectly calm, unlike you who seem permanently incensed

you're the exact right-wing equivalent of citizen smith - except he at least had a few followers :lol: you're trying to create your own little army of adoring followers who hang onto every word from you and your youtube ranters - only day after day people like Letters continue to show up the numerous holes in your arguments and your hypocrisy and your contradictions

[Letters]

Loathe as I am to praise Trump for anything, some credit where it's due for this Tweet.
He manages to simultaneously claim that 2020 was the "most secure election ever" thanks to him AND that the election was rigged so the Democrats won.
In the *same* Tweet

https://i.ibb.co/9gsvzfn/Trump-Tweet.jpg

:blink:

[GP]

This claim about election fraud is disputed.

[Letters]

This claim about election fraud is disputed.

He's only not been banned from Twitter because world leaders are afforded special protection.
That will end soon of course.

[Letters]

you're trying to create your own little army of adoring followers who hang onto every word from you and your youtube ranters
I don't think that's true, actually.
I don't think NQ is trying to "convert" anyone. But he does think he knows better than us poor "low information" saps.
Us and our "lamestream" media with their fake news and their bias.

Unfortunately, he fails to recognise that his own sources have their own biases, as we all do.
Someone being "independent" doesn't make them neutral. It doesn't mean what they're saying is true, anyone can start a YouTube channel.
And he fails to recognise his own bias. But it was shown up in his reaction to the USPS recording.

And I object to the way he attacks my character. He doesn't attack my arguments, he attacks me.
He disputes my integrity and calls me a liar, simply because I disagree with him.
And let's be clear about this - I may post things which aren't true, but that doesn't mean there is malicious intent or I am deliberately trying to mislead.
NQ infers hidden agendas and ulterior motives everywhere he looks.
Anyone who doesn't see the world he does must be "up to something".

And, to be fair, I called him out for lying above but there was a clear basis for me doing so.
It was him that mentioned the recording the USPS dude made, he made it clear he'd listened to it.
When I listened to it I found it just doesn't say the things NQ claims. And of course, he has no response when I pick that apart.
There's no argument given, no evidence presented.
He just then grumbled that I'd bothered to listen to the thing he said I should and found it didn't say what he claimed.

And away he goes, still believing this is all going great for Trump and the evidence of voter fraud is so compelling and obvious.
...all without providing one scrap of evidence.

[Niall_Quinn]

nice try but as you know full well i was perfectly calm, unlike you who seem permanently incensed

you're the exact right-wing equivalent of citizen smith - except he at least had a few followers :lol: you're trying to create your own little army of adoring followers who hang onto every word from you and your youtube ranters - only day after day people like Letters continue to show up the numerous holes in your arguments and your hypocrisy and your contradictions

My own little army of adoring followers? Excellent, just point them out and I will lead them to Internet glory. Did you see how The Party is campaigning to shut down anyone who dares speak ill of the holy vaccine? What do you say to that Smithy? Should we shut them up and shut them down? Shut them all up so your very obvious calm can be undisturbed.

[Mac76]

My own little army of adoring followers? Excellent, just point them out and I will lead them to Internet glory. .

that's exactly my point - you don't have any, precisely because despite your best efforts to brainwash us all, we still just keep pointing out that a lot of your arguments are false and a lot of you statements contradictory

[Niall_Quinn]

that's exactly my point - you don't have any, precisely because despite your best efforts to brainwash us all, we still just keep pointing out that a lot of your arguments are false and a lot of you statements contradictory

Interesting and ironic how you think picking apart the mainstream approved view is attempted brainwashing. If it wasn't for pesky me your crew would be swapping memes and posting up celebrity gossip. Which is safe. But there's no rule I have found that enforces safe spaces here. Maybe there will be, in the future. Your fellow travellers are working hard to shut down all dissent, so don't lose hope.

[Mac76]

Interesting and ironic how you think picking apart the mainstream approved view is attempted brainwashing. If it wasn't for pesky me your crew would be swapping memes and posting up celebrity gossip. Which is safe. But there's no rule I have found that enforces safe spaces here. Maybe there will be, in the future. Your fellow travellers are working hard to shut down all dissent, so don't lose hope.

Thanks for this good example of how you conveniently ignore what we say and juat keep peddling stereotypes

I've told you a million times I don't have a 'lot' or 'crew', unfortunately your very limited brain just can't cope with that concept - you'd be lost if you didn't put everyone into convenient little boxes wouldn't you

[Letters]

Well. You know what they say...

https://i.imgur.com/hc4cn5B.jpg

[GP]

I blame all the negative press covfefe

[Niall_Quinn]

Thanks for this good example of how you conveniently ignore what we say and juat keep peddling stereotypes

I've told you a million times I don't have a 'lot' or 'crew', unfortunately your very limited brain just can't cope with that concept - you'd be lost if you didn't put everyone into convenient little boxes wouldn't you

Even my very limited brain can see what you typed.

[Niall_Quinn]

Hopefully Sidney Powell has very good security and the stomach to see this all the way through.

[Niall_Quinn]

50/50

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Trump's tweet: He won.

Said some other words after that.

https://i.imgur.com/NfPzsuY.png

[Letters]

Trump's tweet: He won.

Said some other words after that.

I thought he actually said Biden won...but then said it was because all those nasty meanies stole it from him. The ones he definitely has all that evidence for. Definitely.
He’ll be revealing it any day now.
Just you wait.

[Letters]

This is literally how 5 year olds act :doh:

[Mac76]

Even my very limited brain can see what you typed.

Great, so i won't get any more references to 'your lot' etc in your posts then ;) that's progess, and i only had to say it a zillion times.... :rolleyes:

[Mac76]

This is literally how 5 year olds act :doh:

Trump or NQ...?

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/jrzUx6m.jpg

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201115/243b7de99c7ad4e4e87454047d9c4bb3.jpg

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/Dddq2gh.jpg

:gp:

[Letters]

https://newsthump.com/2020/11/16/donald-trump-claims-victory-at-master-after-convincing-officials-to-stop-counting-his-score-after-9-holes/

:d

[Letters]

Georgia recount update

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/georgia-recount-votes-biden-trump-results-b1723475.html

[GP]

Georgia recount update

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/georgia-recount-votes-biden-trump-results-b1723475.html

So says the lame stream media.

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y7Jj2nvj4

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1y7Jj2nvj4

It's pathetic and embarrassing.

[Letters]

Honestly, look at this c***

https://i.ibb.co/zShCWWN/Trump-Tweet2.jpg

Back in the real world...

https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/clark-county-calls-for-re-vote-in-commission-race-decided-by-10-ballots-discrepancies-outnumber-victory-margin


Clark County commissioners have certified all the results of the general election — except in the race for the commission seat representing District C, where ballot discrepancies outnumber Democrat Ross Miller’s 10-vote victory and a special election will be held. The special meeting of the commission on Monday was held in order to canvass, or certify the official tally of, votes from the general election. Gloria reported that there were 936 discrepancies identified in the county out of 974,185 ballots cast... "What we’ve consistently talked about is human error,” [Lisa Mayo-DeRiso] said. “I don’t care if you’re counting ballots or making pizzas, there’s going to be errors.

Less than 0.1% discrepancy, largely thought to be because of human error, but because the end result in that country was so close they're going to have another election but just in that county and just for the County Commissioner, it will have no effect on the Presidential race.
But Trump gets excited, retweets the claim about widespread fraud without bothering to check his sources or what has actually happened.
And his supporters lap it up.
It's potentially dangerous stuff, this.

[GP]

VOTER FRAUD!!!!

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/georgia-secretary-of-state-lindsey-graham-ballots-cnntv/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-11-17T02%3A42%3A06&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNNp

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMP9dXSozFU

[Letters]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/pennsylvania-supreme-court-ballot-observation/index.html

:lol:

:doh:

[Letters]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526395-georgia-elections-chief-says-trump-depressed-gop-vote-cost-himself-state

:haha:

[Mac76]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/526395-georgia-elections-chief-says-trump-depressed-gop-vote-cost-himself-state

:haha:

:gp:

[Letters]

This is dangerous stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54982360

Trump, a lame duck President who can’t accept the reality of losing the election, now firing people for simply not agreeing with his baseless claims.

[Letters]

https://i.ibb.co/qrD0wWR/Trump-Tweet3.jpg

...and back in the real world

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/17/wayne-county-michigan-election-certification-437181

:lol:

[Mac76]

https://i.ibb.co/qrD0wWR/Trump-Tweet3.jpg

...and back in the real world

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/17/wayne-county-michigan-election-certification-437181

:lol:

:haha:

[GP]

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/watch-kayleigh-mcenany-casually-suggests-trump-will-serve-another-four-years/

Are these people insane or just criminally dishonest?

[WMUG]

A little from column A, a little from column B

[GP]

Four Seasons Total Landscaping :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Ah, some of the newcomers are learning the lingo. That's good. One step at a time.

[Letters]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Holy shit! :lol:
He isn’t well.

[GP]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Holy shit! :lol:
He isn’t well.

He's out to lunch.

Even his supporters must be embarrassed for him.

[Niall_Quinn]

The two Republican canvassers who were intimidated into certifying Wayne County results have filed complaints with police after their names and addresses were spread across social media in a series of thinly veiled tweets and posts. Both canvassers now want to rescind their earlier vote but officials have refused and will move to the next stage of certification, which is also split 2-2. The canvassers were concerned about 173,000 "votes" that arrived in the dead of night from districts that currently show zero voter registrations and close on 100% turnout. The disputed votes fell 97% for Biden, 3% for Trump, among hundreds of other irregularities in a county that, as things stand, has no way of auditing the results of the most chaotic election process in American history.

[Ollie the Optimist]

He lost because the other guy got more votes because people decided they wanted Biden not trump.

The margins are not close, and lets face it, if the Democrats really rigged the election why did they lose seats in congress and not win the senate? They know the republicans will veto pretty much everything there so why risk getting some for rigging an election if you dont do it properly?

[Niall_Quinn]

He lost because the other guy got more votes because people decided they wanted Biden not trump.

The margins are not close, and lets face it, if the Democrats really rigged the election why did they lose seats in congress and not win the senate? They know the republicans will veto pretty much everything there so why risk getting some for rigging an election if you dont do it properly?

I didn't say anything about who won or lost. I'm talking about the tactics the left is using to subvert attempts at inquiry.

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/sxZLbFh.jpeg

[Mac76]

I didn't say anything about who won or lost. I'm talking about the tactics the left is using to subvert attempts at inquiry.

And you're talking about it because you can't get over Trump losing

But lose he did

He lost

He didn't win

Got it?

[Niall_Quinn]

And you're talking about it because you can't get over Trump losing

But lose he did

He lost

He didn't win

Got it?

I prefer to go with the facts as they stand. That doesn't mean you have to and I didn't say you have to. So breathe, relax. Nobody is trying to hurt you.

[Niall_Quinn]

Lawyers, who have careers and reputations and millions of dollars at stake, have now confirmed the German servers exist. Which implies (non-confirmed) the Spanish servers exist too. Which means Trump's 2018 Executive Order might now be activated.

And if that happens, 30/70.

Regardless, the mere fact they went there means this is far bigger than one election. No way of keeping track of all the strands. If only we had a media that did its job.

[Letters]

I prefer to go with the facts as they stand.

What facts?
I couldn’t find a source for the 173,000 votes thing you assert above.
Every other conspiracy theory you’ve parroted on here has been debunked.
And it’s not just the pesky “mainstream media” doing the debunking.
I mean, they are. But ultimately all the shit Trump’s people are trying to fling at the wall, none of it is sticking. When they’re getting into court - a place where they deal with facts and evidence rather than Tweets and heresay - they’re getting laughed out of there. Sometimes by judges who are barely hiding their irritation at them wasting the court’s time.
Last count he was 1 for 25. And the 1 they won was a judge to agreed with Trump’s team that someone exceeded their authority in extending a deadline for genuine voters to provide their ID.
Nothing to do with fraud.

Where’s.
The.
Evidence?

[Niall_Quinn]

The excuse: “I heard people basically being very assertive in demonstrating their outrage, but it happens all the time,” Kinloch said. “This was a very important meeting to the city, the county, and it impacted a lot of folks.”

The reality: "This is where your kids go to school."

[Letters]

Yeah. I saw that video too and you have twisted the phrasing to make it sound far more sinister than the reality.

[Niall_Quinn]

It might be useful to keep a running note of those who support violence, intimidation and harassment as a means to an end. And those who don't and won't. It will tell you a lot about the characters of the groups and individuals you are dealing with. The Lincoln Project, anyone? Whenever you need to resort to these tactics you have nothing legitimate in the bag, no argument, and you have no regard for law, order, process or even a civilised society. It's no coincidence the left is Godless and the right is Godfearing.

[Niall_Quinn]

For the lost individuals who are relying on the mainstream media for news, good grief guys - do your own work. Every state has published the election data. Find it. Download it. Now you know, right? Don't be so fucking lazy.

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's their philosophy. Not banned, you notice. Would it be a good idea to let these weirdo racists get their hands on the levers of control? Can you imagine?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYZ2XoaBO2A

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's the poor, oppressed non-white-man making his reasoned argument:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3SMGNTjkjA&amp;t=110s

And this has been happening for more than 100 days. And yes, a lot of the "peaceful" types are whites who see the light. Or should that be dark? So hard to know. Is "light" racist? Should it be dark by default?

[Letters]

All y'all missing the really big news going on in the world :popcorn:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55002139

[Niall_Quinn]

Getting back on topic, as a moderator tries to divert the issue (hello Maccy, are you selectively awake?):

"It was of particular interest to me that hundreds of these ballots seemed impeccable, with no folds or creases. The bubble selections were perfectly made (all within the circle), only observed selections in black ink, and all happened to be selection for Biden."

A democratic election observer. And not the first.

It cracks slowly. A small fissure. With a million tons forcing upon it.

[Letters]

And yet...every time they're in front of a judge - someone who actually cares about evidence and facts rather than heresay and wild conspiracy theories.
Every time, the judge is throwing the cases out.
Weird, isn't it? There's so much evidence...

[Niall_Quinn]

There are now 10K plus witnesses with various and similar stories. But nothing is widespread, you understand? And that's before you get to the voting machines, the obstructions and the vehicle that will bring this to the Supreme Court - the different standards that applied.

It's looking good for humanity and bad for globalism. But we aren't there yet. Still a massive fight, because these bastards aren't easy to kill. Oh, and I mean that metaphorically, in case the actual killer left gets excited. Evidence, evidence, evidence, and not just for the election but well beyond the bounds of it. Who lies? Who's violent? Who censors? Who doxes? Who attacks the elderly and kids in the street? Who supports lockdowns that kill? Who are the real racists?

Well we know. Don't we? It would be embarrassing and immoral to stand with them, wouldn't it?

[Niall_Quinn]

"I heard them call out for Biden, 500 times in a row."

Democratic observer. More flooding in.

It's slipping away... reality is intruding.

Preserve your dignity while you can. Do not be known as the guy who defended it.

[Niall_Quinn]

"They are doing something to the machines right now... in the middle of an election?"

[Letters]

There are now 10K plus witnesses with various and similar stories. But nothing is widespread, you understand?
The thing that's widespread is people - whipped up by a Toddler in Chief who can't face the reality of what's just happened - reporting all kinds of spurious things which when they get in front of a judge are getting thrown out.

They're getting laughed out of court because, weirdly, things like "I saw a large man in a BLM T-Shirt who I found intimidating" or "I saw some military ballots which were for Biden which I found suspicious" or "The PA system was too loud and I found that distracting" or "Poll workers were looking me at a funny way"...

None of those things are evidence of widespread fraud. And back in the real world the Georgia recount is pretty much done and, as expected, doesn't look like it's going to change the result in that state

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-20/us-election-live-georgia-recount-donald-trump-lawsuits/12901908

And fine, give him Georgia if he really wants. That puts Biden on 290 which is plenty.

[Niall_Quinn]

Trump pays out 3mill for a recount in WI. The corrupt hacks who stole the vote try to change the rules at this late hour. No dice.

Yawn. Stretch. People are waking up.

Why is the left not welcoming a full audit in every contested state? They won, right? So what's the harm in confirming it?

Common sense starting to blast through.

[Niall_Quinn]

The mainstream media is losing control.

Avalanche. The liars can't "fact check" it fast enough.

[Niall_Quinn]

The legal teams will only talk about whatever is out there. That's 10%

So it will go quiet now for a while, as the case is prepared. It's a shame a horrible crook like Rudy is involved, that doesn't look good and I'm not onboard with that. But Sidney is the real deal. She took a week to take a look and see if there was a case there. Now let's be honest. Powell is a high profile lawyer, which doesn't mean she's a patriot. She might be. But I don't know. What I do know is she'd have never taken the case if she doesn't think she can win. If she doesn't think she can enhance her name. There's no possibility whatsoever she would have taken the case if she thought it was a loss and it wouldn't promote her. She's a lawyer. And a good one. Sometimes you need this sort of person to make it work.

Anyway, next week will be quiet, preliminaries, etc, etc, the week after should be all sorts of interesting.

The media will go nuts nonetheless. Because they need the clicks.

[Niall_Quinn]

The media has taken a side. That, in itself, is very good information for you. It will help you in the future. If you are looking for help. Maybe you aren't.

[Letters]

Preserve your dignity while you can. Do not be known as the guy who defended it.
Personally, if I saw proper credible evidence for widespread fraud then I wouldn't defend it.
I just haven't seen any.
I want Trump not to be the president, but if he won fair and square then it would be 4 more years and I'd have to suck it up.
It just doesn't seem like he did win.

I've heard about a load of people who are making spurious claims, sure. But as I've noted, as soon as any of this stuff gets into court it's getting thrown out.
Because a judge cares about credible evidence and facts, not Tweets and hearsay.
The only source for the "500 votes in a row for Biden" I can find is an extreme right wing one which is a bit of a mouthpiece for Trump conspiracy theories.
Of course this stuff should be looked into, but unless they start getting some traction in court or the recounts actually show anything significant it's just a load of people staying stuff.

But hey, let's see what happens.

[Niall_Quinn]

Trump's lawsuits are like covid deaths. If they have anything to do with the election, rack them up for Trump.

But they didn't die from Covid and they aren't Trump's law suits.

It's probably a good idea to do your own work and leave the media to spin its lies.

[Niall_Quinn]

Do you see how Defund the Police, left wing riots, Biden's support for the riots and post election intimidation all tie together?

It's all well and good to tell Republicans to man-up. But when their kids are under threat and the police won't protect them, then what?

There are two teams in play that will fix this problem. Then people will be able to speak freely.

[Niall_Quinn]

The left's response to reality is to talk about hair dye. We have a moderator here who behaves like that.

[Letters]

We have a moderator here who behaves like that.
Maccy :sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL. On the ground work has revealed those who did not request an absentee ballot voted, whereas those who did and were Republicans, didn't, even though they submitted their ballot. These are just sample sizes. The numbers are crazy. Can't be claimed as proof right now, just evidence. A wider survey along the same lines is required.

I think what may have happened is the vote for Trump was so huge they had to go to plan B. Which means they have left a trail, especially as the Bell curve deficit types they were relying on to carry out the fraud are not very smart.

[Niall_Quinn]

So many aspects to the fraud it's dizzying. They seem to have cheated on every level. Anywhere they could steal a vote, or dump it, they did it. Not clever. The evidence will mount up. What moron was running this shitshow?

[Niall_Quinn]

Is there a chance the people on the ground tried to be "helpful" and fucked it all up?

[Letters]

So many aspects to the fraud it's dizzying. They seem to have cheated on every level. Anywhere they could steal a vote, or dump it, they did it. Not clever. The evidence will mount up. What moron was running this shitshow?

If that is true then so be it.
But if all the legal challenges fail and Biden becomes president then I guess you'll have to concede that your sources aren't as good as you think?
I mean, if the evidence is as compelling as you believe then how can Trump's team fail?

[Niall_Quinn]

The mainstream media:

"Baseless, baseless, baseless, baseless, baseless, baseless claims."

Leave aside the inaccuracy. Look more on it from a political perspective. It's not Trump who is baseless. That base is real. And the media can sell their bullshit to the choir, but half the country will never buy it. And that's the media's main problem right now. Their power is gone, except with those who believe them no matter. Their authority is gone. It's a marvellous development. Fucking finally.

This is a huge victory for the United States and it is being repeated in many other nations. Once the hold of the mainstream media is broken let's see where we end up.

[Niall_Quinn]

Governor freezes Arizona certification until legal challenges are completed.

Put Arizona in the Trump box. That's one down. Four to go.

[Niall_Quinn]

GA finishes its circus recount. Unsurprisingly, considering it was just a recount and not an audit, the same illegal ballots have been included in the count. So now it has to go to court to force a genuine count, with verification. But, as things stand, one for Biden, three to go.

[Letters]

The mainstream media:

"Baseless, baseless, baseless, baseless, baseless, baseless claims.".

But when these things get into court. You know, a place where you have to provide evidence and facts and not heresay and ALL CAPS TWEETS. When these things are getting into a court and people are under oath case after case is getting thrown out.
If they have all this evidence of widespread fraud, why aren’t they getting any traction in court?

[GP]

But when these things get into court. You know, a place where you have to provide evidence and facts and not heresay and ALL CAPS TWEETS. When these things are getting into a court and people are under oath case after case is getting thrown out.
If they have all this evidence of widespread fraud, why aren’t they getting any traction in court?

The courts are in on it, says Rudi.

[Letters]

The courts are in on it, says Rudi.

Of course. Because that's how conspiracy theories work.
There's loads of evidence, honest. Look at all the evidence!
But when it comes to court where people are under oath and they consider actual evidence and facts...
A rational person might pause to think that maybe the evidence can't be that good.
But the conspiracy theorist just doubles down and insists that's just part of the conspiracy :shrug:

In brief...

https://i.ibb.co/sKQGzK5/Trump-Legal-Team.jpg

[GP]

Ed Norton with the 10/10 analysis

https://twitter.com/EdwardNorton/status/1329728889296355328

[Letters]

There's definitely something in that. He's facing a shit-ton of litigation and debts called in when he leaves the Oval Office.
I think at some level he must know he's lost but he's desperately trying to do anything he can to forestall the inevitable.

[Letters]

Finally!

https://twitter.com/jamescrabtree/status/1329579667456618497

[Mac76]

Finally!

https://twitter.com/jamescrabtree/status/1329579667456618497

quality! :lol:

[GP]

Thanks Obama

[Niall_Quinn]

Uncle Tom "jokes" about sending the Navy Seals into the Whitehouse. This before the election has even been certified. You can see what sort of scumbags America is up against.

[Letters]

Yeah! All those people who want the next president to be determined by *checks notes* how people vote in an election. The bastards!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55025997

[Xhaka Can’t]

Uncle Tom "jokes" about sending the Navy Seals into the Whitehouse. This before the election has even been certified. You can see what sort of scumbags America is up against.

Do you ever think about what you’re saying and who you’re supporting?

If you don’t agree with democracy, stop embarrassing yourself with this bullshit and come right out with it.

Every time, and I do mean every single time when it is time to dispense with conspiracy theory, and produce actual evidence, they’ve been laughed out of court.

Now Trump is calling local officials to see how they are because he is “concerned about their welfare”.

Straight out of the mobster playbook. He is a criminal and so are his enablers. He’s stolen more than enough and this time he’s bit off more than he can chew.

[GP]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1330290796147445760

Oops

[Niall_Quinn]

Do you ever think about what you’re saying and who you’re supporting?

If you don’t agree with democracy, stop embarrassing yourself with this bullshit and come right out with it.

Every time, and I do mean every single time when it is time to dispense with conspiracy theory, and produce actual evidence, they’ve been laughed out of court.

Now Trump is calling local officials to see how they are because he is “concerned about their welfare”.

Straight out of the mobster playbook. He is a criminal and so are his enablers. He’s stolen more than enough and this time he’s bit off more than he can chew.

I'm waiting for democracy to play out, which it's starting to look like it will.

[Letters]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1330290796147445760

Oops

It’s weird, isn’t it? There’s SO much evidence.
Who knew that hearsay and ALL CAPS TWEETS weren’t admissible in court?

[Letters]

This is the level of evidence they’re presenting in court.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06-tgo

It’s a real head-scratcher that they’re not getting very far.

Also:

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-dcb7da95578fc7289122c6d372575a9b

:lol: :doh:

[Mac76]

I'm waiting for democracy to play out, which it's starting to look like it will.

I agree, more and more of Trump's lawyers are leaving him as they know Biden won

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUed6Ug4Cgo&feature=emb_logo

[GP]

Obama :bow:

Guy is a class act

[Mac76]

republican governor Larry Hogan calling on Trump to concede: "We are beginning to look like we are a banana republic. It's time for them to stop the nonsense. It just gets more bizarre every single day and, frankly, I'm embarrassed that more people in the party aren't speaking up."

:clap:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbko7kjF0Zc

[Niall_Quinn]

Powell was frightened off. But the same won't work on Giuliani because he has as much shit on them as they have on him. It'll take a brave team to see this all the way through to the court.

[Letters]

It's quite interesting to watch the NQ Conspiracy Theory Generator working in real time.

"There is plenty of evidence of widespread fraud."
Well, present some then.
*crickets*
"Loads of dead people voted"
Someone then spot checks and finds all of the ones they checked very much alive.
"Aha! There's the USPS guy, a whistle blower who witnessed fraud in his post office"
Except no, he's just some bloke who half heard part of a conversation and made some pretty big assumptions. Project Veritas then completely misrepresented him, massively overstated what he actually saw or heard and under the gentlest questioning he admitted he couldn't stand by what they'd written in court.
"Ooh, now Biden's in trouble. Here's Sidney Powell. She's a proper lawyer".
And now when it turned out to be more bluster and bullshit someone has "got to her". Nothing to do with her peddling wild conspiracy theories which even the Trump team couldn't stand by.
More crackpot than Kraken.

So where are we now? Last count Trump was 2 from 32 in court, and those two do nothing to change the result.
His legal team are repeatedly embarrassing themselves in court because they're presenting "strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".

And now some of Trump's allies are admitting how embarrassing it all is:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55038777

Maybe, just maybe, all that evidence isn't actually there? I mean sure, there are a lot of people who are signing affidavits saying things.
Trump has whipped up his supporters so of course a lot of people will step forward. But they're stepping forward repeating conspiracy theories they've seen online which have long since been debunked, or they're reporting spurious things which are either not illegal (a man wearing a BLM T-shirt who you found intimidating) or show a massive misunderstanding of how the election process works.

It is quite fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics some people are going through to keep insisting that the evidence of widespread voter fraud is still there.

[GP]

It is interesting, but people will have to face reality sooner or later.

Or they will just double down on the conspiracy noncesense. I know which is more likely.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Powell was frightened off. But the same won't work on Giuliani because he has as much shit on them as they have on him. It'll take a brave team to see this all the way through to the court.

If they dont take it to court, then Biden wins (although given the way its going so far, even going to court is meaning Biden wins)

[Letters]

It is interesting, but people will have to face reality sooner or later.

Or they will just double down on the conspiracy noncesense. I know which is more likely.

Of course they'll double down. This is what I'm finding interesting, we're seeing it play out in real time - I've seen it in other people too.
The starting point is: Trump was robbed. There's loads of evidence.
But none is ever presented - nothing credible, anyway. It's a mess of people who think they saw a thing or don't understand how elections work. Then there's a few wild conspiracy theories which have been easily debunked.
Ultimately the fact this all keeps getting laughed out of court is surely a good indication of the reality.
But rather the reality being accepted, they just double down and go deeper down the conspiracy theory rabbit holes. Now Powell has been "frightened off", it's not that she's spouting a load of bullshit and has nothing. Even Tucker Carlson is calling her our on it. Tucker Carlson ffs! :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

If they dont take it to court, then Biden wins (although given the way its going so far, even going to court is meaning Biden wins)

It'll go to the court, the procedural and constitutional aspects of the case which Trump will win. Don't confuse cases being brought by private individuals with allegations of fraud. The majority of the campaign's cases so far are related to time essential rulings or election related legislation set by individual states. Unsurprisingly, most of the rulings have either been defeated due to counts having concluded or dismissed prior to evidentiary hearings by the same state apparatus that rigged the election. Trump has to get through thee crooked courts in order to appeal. The media confuses this by reporting non-campaign cases and cases that will be appealed and necessarily moved up as losses.

The media also fails to report, or apologises for, the obscene intimidation that has been directed against Trump's legal teams. Trump has every right to challenge the results of a most obviously rigged election. He has a right to use the courts as part of the process to ensure the result of the election is reported correctly. The left has no right to intimidate or coerce the lawyers undertaking this work. But it demonstrates the nature of the people trying to seize power by any means.

One of the lawyers, Powell, who had already done a good job exposing the corruption of the FBI in the Flynn matter, and has already been subjected to a supposedly impartial judge, Sullivan, and his outrageous tactics, was responsible for gathering the evidence that demonstrates widespread fraud. She was doing another good job, tracking down the statistical anomalies and deviations that would have supported the large body of testimony to show how the fraud was conducted on the ground. Then, suddenly, she shifted her focus as far away from that essential matter as possible and started talking about different countries and attacking pro-Trump officials. Either she's had a nervous breakdown under the pressure or, far more likely the left has managed to intimidate her as well. Somebody else will step up and bring things back on track. But again, it shows that certain parties will go to any lengths to stop one basic procedure happening.

In all of the disputed states that one procedure is the audit. We've had recounts that recount the fraudulent ballots. This is more theatre for the left. It adds to the narrative of lost cases to build a picture of a challenge to the stolen election that can't possibly succeed. This is far from being the truth. Provided Trump can get audits in all the relevant states, and provided he can appeal on procedural and constitutional law all the way to the Supreme Court, he has a very good chance of overturning the steal. He already has 4 votes in the bag and a 5th available. However, it's not purely a legal battle. There's the vile, illegal fight that has been waged relentlessly. Cancel culture, threats, intimidation, violence and an absolute refusal to do the one thing that would sort this out once and for all, the audit, that's the left's claim to the win. The Constitution, the law, proper counts examining the ballots in the presence of observers, this is Trump's claim.

The media can spin it any way they want, and they will and they have, but it's very easy to see the positions of both parties and examine the tactics they use. Incidentally, if that Congressman is right, and he has two sources supporting him now, if the election data flowed outside the borders of the US on election night a third party comes into play, the federal government, and then the left is in deep shit. Trump already planned for this possibility with his executive order on 2018. Ironically, partly because the left was screaming so loudly about election fraud. The same left that now claims there is no election fraud. Again, you can easily see what these people are all about.

[Letters]

And there it is.

The original claim: The election has been stolen. The evidence for widespread fraud is strong.

The reality: There is no credible evidence. There's a lot of people signing affidavits who don't understand how elections work or who claim they "saw a thing", there's a lot of easily debunked conspiracy theories. But that's about it.
Courts are rejecting all the cases because for all Trump's team's bluster, when they get in front of a judge - someone who has to consider evidence and facts, not hearsay and ALL CAPS TWEETS. When they get there and they're under oath, they've got nothing.

But to the conspiracy theorist rather than considering they might be wrong, the fact courts are ruling the way they do is because they are part of the conspiracy

It's Cognitive Dissonance 101.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyone wanting to examine the desperately alleged "conspiracy theory" regarding the bias of some courts (not all, of course) might want to review what has essentially (and ridiculously) become Flynn vs (judge [sic]) Sullivan, one of the most egregious abuses of power and the law in legal history. The cover-up and fake/ low information smear merchants in the media/ social media and here on this forum will tell you that such abuses don't exist. But you can simply go and read the transcripts and rulings to see for yourself. Or you can examine their attitudes to Justices Amy Coney Barrett or Brett Kavanaugh where, suddenly (and in an actual demonstration of cognitive dissonance) bias immediately springs back to life.

[Niall_Quinn]

You might also consider that an "impartial" judge has already summarily ruled that Trump's campaign was not disadvantaged due to election watchers being excluded from the count because ALL watchers were excluded. Now technically (provided the main claim of fraud is removed and assuming an entirely fair election) this could be torturously twisted into truth. However, any reasonable person would laugh the judge out of his own court. Added to that, the media will then chime up and highlight the judge's interrogation of the plaintiff demanding "proof" that fraud was observed, yet knowing full-well observers were excluded. The left is claiming such political, as opposed to legal or lawful, meanderings in lower courts represent some sort of victory that has some chance of standing should the cases be appealed to higher courts. If they were honest you could say they are mistaken, but they aren't honest in any way. They're just bathing the audience in lies, misdirection and propaganda.

The simple remedy is to count and audit the votes WITH watchers present from all sides (including independents and other candidates btw, as they never get a mention). This is the outcome the left is fighting tooth and nail to prevent. Instead they prefer to simply claim no fraud occurred, declare their man the winner and brush it all under the carpet. For the good of the nation, you understand? What they repeatedly fail to realise is the Trump campaign has every right to pursue legal action as has been the case with many U.S. elections in the past, including those which the left used to secure power btw. Now it is apparently dangerous and immoral to follow the legislated course of action. The tune changes according to the circumstances.

[Letters]

Michigan certifies.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-23/michigan-certifies-election-results-showing-biden-victory-khv2myl5

[Letters]

Trump doesn’t exactly concede but he does start to act like a grown up, which is something

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55052640

[Ollie the Optimist]

Trump doesn’t exactly concede but he does start to act like a grown up, which is something

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55052640

Exactly the action a man who was confident of winning in the election in court would take......

[Mac76]

It's the beginning of the end

Trump :rose:

NQ :rose:

[GP]

Game over man, game over!

[Letters]

You might also consider that an "impartial" judge has already summarily ruled that Trump's campaign was not disadvantaged due to election watchers being excluded from the count because ALL watchers were excluded.

Are you talking about the case where the judge asked Trump's people if there were Republican observers and they had to admit there were a "non zero" number of people in there? Last count Trump was 1 for 35 in court. Such bad luck that they just keep on getting biased judges, isn't it?
Especially when the evidence for widespread fraud is so strong. Except...it isn't, is it?

Dead people voted - except...they didn't. When spot checks were done of the "dead people" who voted they were found to be very much alive.

The Dominion Machines switched votes - except...is there any evidence of that? Or that they multiplied Biden's votes? When people use these machines it prints out a copy of their vote so they can do audits later. When they've done such audits the numbers match, so...

More people voted than were registered - except...they didn't. People claiming that are generally looking at out-dated electoral rolls or not accounting for the fact that people can move out of state and still vote in their old state within a certain period.

But there's all these whistle-blowers - ...except, there isn't, is there? I mean, there are a load of people who say they saw a thing or heard a thing but it's all mostly vague hearsay, or it's people just not understanding how the election process works. I don't believe the USPS dude is either mental or trying to stir up trouble. I think he's well meaning and, because of a President desperately trying to pretend he didn't really lose an election he clearly did, he spoke up about something he heard which concerned him. But when asked about it he admitted he heard half of an out of context conversation and couldn't stand by the way Project Veritas wrote it up. He literally said "my mind might have made up the rest". This is the great whistle blower who is going to crack this whole thing open, is it?! :doh:. I also heard (although haven't been able to verify this) that the number of votes which came from his post office after the election day - so the maximum number which could have been backdated, which there is no evidence for, is 2.

I mean yes, they could recount every sodding vote, all 150 million of them. But that would be a huge expense and there would have to be good evidence of widespread fraud to justify it and none has been presented. Watchers were present from all sides, Trump's team have admitted that in court when they're under oath

Of course Trump has a right to pursue legal action, but when they get in front of a judge you need to have some evidence. They're just not presenting any. What is being swept under the carpet? Where is this evidence of widespread fraud? None has been shown which stands up to the slightest bit of scrutiny.
Just saying "I WON THE ELECTION" on Twitter isn't admissible in court, strangely. And refusing the concede in an election where the result is so clear is unprecedented. It's actively been obstructing a smooth transition of power, so of course there has been some frustration about that. Trump is at least allowing that to happen now.

While we're here. You know the Republicans actually did pretty well in the election, right? Trump didn't, but the party did. And those votes were on the same ballots. So what's the suggestion, here? That the Dems orchestrated widespread fraud to prevent Trump winning but on the same ballots completely forgot to rig the Senate election? You yourself has noted that Biden won't be able to achieve much without a majority in the Senate. Why on earth would they rig one election and then completely hobble themselves by not rigging the other bit?

You keep claiming there's clear and widespread evidence.
But you also keep failing to present any when asked, as do Trump's legal team.

[Niall_Quinn]

Exactly the action a man who was confident of winning in the election in court would take......

I think you have been reading too much mainstream media. Trump's intention has never been to undermine the nation, it has only ever been the desire to expose the stolen election. And that has nothing to do with winning the election in court, he won that on the night. He needs to get it counted and audited fairly though, which was a requirement in the first place but wasn't honoured in several key Democratic counting venues. Even now, state courts are summarily throwing out his cases as legislatures do everything bar the audit that would rather easily reveal the fraud. It's clear to see what's happening, provided the mainstream media is not your only source of information.

That said, if Trump can't get a fair hearing in a court and the legislatures are determined to press ahead with the steal, he has no other options available to him and will have to step down. You've probably heard further nonsense in the media about him refusing to leave. Just more anti-Trump propaganda to heap on four years of the stuff. Of course he will leave, so he has to make contingencies for that outcome too. He's a patriot, not a sellout to a foreign power like those who are attempting this coup. He won't want to see the nation descend into chaos, like the left with their rioters, looters and lockdown governors.

He also needs to be able to run again in 2024 and he'll probably still be the best option as I doubt the right would deliberately put forward anyone more useful. But this is not over yet. If he gets those audits he wins. Only a fool can't see through the events of election night and that's why every single Dem state is avoiding the simple step that would have cleared up the whole issue and freed the election process of doubt. But they won't do that because they can't do that because they did steal the election. You'll also be aware that if the roles were reversed the mainstream media would be screaming 24/7 for proper counts and, as Clinton advised, there would be no circumstances under which they would concede. But we play the media game nonetheless.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some people are too low information to know what a summary dismissal is. They are so low information they demand evidence be presented at such a summary dismissal. Painful indeed.

[Letters]

If only high information could provide the rock solid evidence that they definitely have of widespread election fraud :(.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I think you have been reading too much mainstream media. Trump's intention has never been to undermine the nation, it has only ever been the desire to expose the stolen election. And that has nothing to do with winning the election in court, he won that on the night. He needs to get it counted and audited fairly though, which was a requirement in the first place but wasn't honoured in several key Democratic counting venues. Even now, state courts are summarily throwing out his cases as legislatures do everything bar the audit that would rather easily reveal the fraud. It's clear to see what's happening, provided the mainstream media is not your only source of information.

That said, if Trump can't get a fair hearing in a court and the legislatures are determined to press ahead with the steal, he has no other options available to him and will have to step down. You've probably heard further nonsense in the media about him refusing to leave. Just more anti-Trump propaganda to heap on four years of the stuff. Of course he will leave, so he has to make contingencies for that outcome too. He's a patriot, not a sellout to a foreign power like those who are attempting this coup. He won't want to see the nation descend into chaos, like the left with their rioters, looters and lockdown governors.

He also needs to be able to run again in 2024 and he'll probably still be the best option as I doubt the right would deliberately put forward anyone more useful. But this is not over yet. If he gets those audits he wins. Only a fool can't see through the events of election night and that's why every single Dem state is avoiding the simple step that would have cleared up the whole issue and freed the election process of doubt. But they won't do that because they can't do that because they did steal the election. You'll also be aware that if the roles were reversed the mainstream media would be screaming 24/7 for proper counts and, as Clinton advised, there would be no circumstances under which they would concede. But we play the media game nonetheless.

Yes repeatedly alleging election fraud without any proof clearly shows that is his intention.

Added to the fact he refused to authorise the transition to Biden and repeatedly played golf instead of dealing with a global pandemic. There was a G20 call at the weeeknd to discuss Covid responses which he left to go & play golf.

Again, exactly the intention of a man who doesnt want to undermine the nation.

Jesus you talk some utter bollocks

[Niall_Quinn]

What the media doesn't want you to focus on is the electoral process itself. So they have instead focused on hair dye and imaginary "office[s] of the president-elect". The media doesn't want people to know about the differences between a recount, a re-canvas and an audit. They want their consumers to believe a recount is a form of validation in a disputed election, despite the fact a fool could determine otherwise if they focused for a moment. All states have a requirement for a ballot to be correctly completed, endorsed and counted under supervision and by methods set down by legislation that is agreed upon by all parties in advance. No deviation is permitted from the process either before, during or after the election process. Verification to ensure a legal and fair outcome is the right of any participant in closely contested outcomes and takes place in the form on an audit.

Such audits are the most effective way to remove all doubt about the result. This is what the Trump campaign has requested. This is what is being denied by any and all means. That, in itself, tells you much about the reality and explains why the media wants to misdirect you with claims of missing evidence. Of course, when you are not permitted to gather the evidence it becomes difficult to present it.

Nevertheless, there are other types of supporting evidence that can be presented for varying degrees of remedy, such as supreme court challenges to the partial rulings of state courts and legislatures prior to and during the election, dropping or weakening identity requirements, selectively allowing ballot curing, infringing on mandated observation procedures, etc. Mathematical, statistical and historical calculations can also be used to demonstrate the absurd and unprecedented extremes that emerged during this election.

Taken together there's a compelling case to support what was obvious in the first place, but an actual counting of the legitimate ballots will be required. This is why the whole effort on both sides has been to either obtain that count or deter it at all costs. And that, in itself, tells who who the honest party is in this dispute.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes repeatedly alleging election fraud without any proof clearly shows that is his intention.

Added to the fact he refused to authorise the transition to Biden and repeatedly played golf instead of dealing with a global pandemic. There was a G20 call at the weeeknd to discuss Covid responses which he left to go & play golf.

Again, exactly the intention of a man who doesnt want to undermine the nation.

Jesus you talk some utter bollocks

You're just repeating mainstream media talking points again. There's no requirement to begin a transition process in the absence of a president-elect, you knew that, right? The election isn't finished yet, it ends on the 14th when a president-elect will be confirmed or the incumbent will be reconfirmed. And Trump did speak to the G20 leaders, so why pretend otherwise? Trump has made no secret of his intention to put his own nation first, it's his slogan in fact. The opposite of undermining it. The leftist view that outsourcing American jobs to China is profitable for a minority, and that such action is beneficial for the "nation" is not shared by 70+ million Americans. And it's not too difficult to observe both arguments and figure out which undermines the nation.

Millions are not fooled. 10 million more than last time and millions more around the globe.

[Letters]

Trump's intention has never been to undermine the nation, it has only ever been the desire to expose the stolen election.

Bullshit. He's a narcissist who cannot admit he ever lost at anything.
So when he did he has to reframe that in his mind - of course he didn't lose, it was stolen from him.
Unfortunately, despite presenting no evidence, a lot of people are buying into it.
It's pretty dangerous because it'll leave a lot of people not only feeling pissed off about the results, but that they've been robbed. When they haven't. All to stroke Trump's fragile ego.


And that has nothing to do with winning the election in court, he won that on the night.

This part is actually true. He did. But not all the votes are counted on the night. Postal votes are counted afterwards. Trump spent months prior to the election trying to discredit mail-in voting and telling his supporters to vote on the day. The Republicans were actively encouraging their people to vote by mail. No surprise then that the on the night voting was skewed towards Trump and didn't show the true picture which only emerged days later when the postal votes were counted. Actually, in some states the postal votes are processed first and in those states the exact reverse happened. Biden shot into the lead when the postal vote was added first and then when the on the day votes were counted Trump overtook him. I note that Trump isn't complaining about those states.


It's clear to see what's happening, provided the mainstream media is not your only source of information.

And yet you repeatedly fail to present your sources of information which would make that clear.
The titbits you have provided have been easily debunked conspiracy theories.
And your credibility is further undermined by your take on the USPS dude. You know, the one who you said
"[claimed] election fraud occurred at the USPS where he worked".
Except no, no he didn't claim that. What actually happened was he heard something - half an out of context conversation. That's all. He probably wouldn't have thought much of it had it not been for Trump whipping up people to believe that large scale fraud had occurred. So the dude reported it to Project Veritas (who are ironically named, by the way). They then wrote an affidavit alleging voter fraud which he signed. But then when it was read back to him he realised it massively over-stated what had actually happened and agreed he couldn't stand by it in court because he only overheard a snippet of conversation and his "mind might have made up the rest".
Dude, you're going to have to do a lot better than that.


You've probably heard further nonsense in the media about him refusing to leave.

I've heard some speculative "what if" stories around that. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting that's likely, but what Trump is doing is unprecedented in the context of an election with such a clear result so some speculation about "what if he does that" isn't that unreasonable.
It's quite a diverting thought experiment, nothing more.


Only a fool can't see through the events of election night and that's why every single Dem state is avoiding the simple step that would have cleared up the whole issue and freed the election process of doubt.

And what should us poor low information saps be seeing and where's your evidence?
*crickets*
Georgia did a full by hand recount already and got the same answer. Of course, you claim that's only because they recounted the fraudulent ballots. And, of course, you provide zero evidence for that assertion. Trump has now requested another recount so let's see how that goes although I think we know.


But they won't do that because they can't do that because they did steal the election.

Evidence?
The burden of proof is on the claimant, remember? :)
And why did they only steal the Trump part? Did they just forget to steal the Senate part which undermines how effective Biden can be? I note you ignored that...

[Xhaka Can’t]

Can't we all just accept Trump is an evil self centred cunt and move on from this?

[Niall_Quinn]

Can't we all just accept Trump is an evil self centred cunt and move on from this?

Are you kidding? Even if Biden is installed, that's just the start of it.

[GP]

Can't we all just accept Trump is an evil self centred cunt and move on from this?

Worse that Hitler, Pol Pot, or even Blair.

[Letters]

Can't we all just accept Trump is an evil self centred cunt and move on from this?

Works for me.

But let's be clear, at some level Trump knows he wasn't robbed of this election.
But part of him can't accept it for reasons I've outlined, and he's also using this as an excuse to fleece his supporters for money to pay off campaign debts and to set his fanbase up for whatever he's going to do next.

[Letters]

Worse that Hitler, Pol Pot, or even Blair.
Well now you've just gone too far :sulk:

[Letters]

Trump :bow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-55064806

[Niall_Quinn]

OAN temporarily banned from YT and revenue shut down. Parler classed as "dangerous" for young people. It will take some time, I suspect, for people to catch up with this. But you'd best do it as fast as you can. I wonder why the left always favours banning dissent? It's illustrative, isn't it? All through history, without exception (go and check), we can see what types ban speech and how they evolve, to the detriment of mankind. Orange Man Bad is not going to cure this for you. Reality is going to hit you hard. It's going to surround you, suffocate you, and by the time you are gasping to speak - it will be far, far too late.

We already have "Christians" on this forum who laugh as each new step in censorship develops. One little forum. And as you voyage out into the zombie hoards, there are more and more voices begging for their disenfranchisement. And the nasty little brown shirts, who pray on Sundays and goose step the rest of the week, will lead you by the hand into the darkness if you let them.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

[Niall_Quinn]

"These are goons, if we lose the Constitution is done... There's no shades of gray about this. We have more than the data, we have hundreds of affidavits, and we have the analysis of the equipments itself. The chances of this happening are quadrillions to one. We want to be clear, we are not on any team. This isn't even close. If you could freeze time and let this all play out through the courts you would see it's 100% rigged."

Finally somebody is looking at the maths. And putting some money behind it. Regardless of any outcome, the maths will be fascinating.

[Mac76]

Regardless of any outcome.

**NQ CONCEDES SHOCK**

:haha:

[Letters]

We already have "Christians" on this forum who laugh as each new step in censorship develops.
Oh dear, lying again :(
We've had the debate about censorship. My position on it was fairly clear.
The headline is: it's complicated. Free speech is important but truth is important too. People spreading dangerous misinformation need to be dealt with but
1) How should it be dealt with
2) Who is the arbiter of that misinformation

I don't think the answers to those questions are simple.

And I note that once again you question my character or the sincerity of my faith. You do seem to "throw the first stone" quite a lot.
Maybe a little introspection would do you good. You are the one, remember, who simply because you didn't agree with a decision I made lied about being censored and then were so unpleasant to me in practically every post you had to be banned. Quite a feat on a site like this where moderation is very light touch.
And you continue to attack my character and infer nefarious intent rather than deal with arguments put forth.
Try some introspection about your own actions and attitudes before throwing stones.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?[/QUOTE]

Good verse and one I regularly point US Evangelicals at with regard to Trump, I do wonder what fruit they see in his life which makes them think he's their guy.