US Election & Politics - We're Making America Great Again!

[The Wengerbabies]

Trump gave a great speech at Mt. Rushmore last night, railing against the lefts culture war and attempt rewrite history proclaiming to "only kneel before almighty God". It was a Churchillian moment. He really is the only hope the sane centrists have in this ever increasing clown world and I do fear what comes after.

I'm looking forward to the sweet sweet liberal tears come November.

Some key dates:

Conventions
17-20 August - Democrat National Convention - Milwaukee, Wisconsin
24-27 August - Republican National Convention - Jacksonville, Florida

Presidential Debates - 9pm ET (2am BST)
29 September - University of Notre Dame Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland OH
15 October - University of Michigan tbd Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts, Miami FL
22 October - Belmont University, Nashville TN

VP Debate - 9pm ET (2am BST)
7 October - University of Utah.

Election Day
3 November



I'm most looking forward to the debates senile old Joe will be no match for the wit of Trump and they should be hilarious.

As for election night itself that is going to be ever so sweet can't wait for the 2020 version of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ46I3kMOr0&feature=emb_title

That video is incredibly hard to find Google are definitely suppressing it, any obvious search terms that you'd expect to bring it up in the top 3 are all videos from Google's approved MSM sources with barely a 10th of the views. Sad!

I've left the poll anonymous so you can express your true view without worry of repercussions from the unhinged anti-Trumpers. The silent majority is real.

[Letters]

Trump gave a great speech at Mt. Rushmore last night
:haha:

[Xhaka Can’t]

The silent majority didn’t even vote for Trump last time around.

[The Wengerbabies]

Sadly some mod has edited the poll title and also thread title. This is poor moderation imo, it's really time I was made a mod if for nothing other than a bit of balance.

Edit: okay poll title has been changed back (Who do you want to win?), the thread title is supposed to read "2020 US General Election | Keep America Great & and other US political nonsense"

[The Wengerbabies]

The silent majority didn’t even vote for Trump last time around.

Where is your proof?

Take California away and he won the popular vote, not that it matters he campaigned to win the Electoral College and won in a landslide, had he campaigned to win the popular vote I'm sure he'd have won that, not counting for voter fraud.

[Xhaka Can’t]

The thread title has been changed and the poll question has as well. Nothing substantive has changed other than the bias which I’m sure no sane person would want to see in a genuine poll.

If they were indeed genuine.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Trump being told to unkindly fuck off on my birthday would be lovely. I do worry the Democrats have ballsed it by choosing Biden though.

[GP]

The silent majority didn’t even vote for Trump last time around.

You can prove anything by *checks notes* counting

[The Wengerbabies]

The thread title has been changed and the poll question has as well. Nothing substantive has changed other than the bias which I’m sure no sane person would want to see in a genuine poll.

If they were indeed genuine.

How about the Tory cunt thread, wishing death on them all that's not just extremely biased but incredibly divisive and frankly quite sickening.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Where is your proof?

Take California away and he won the popular vote, not that it matters he campaigned to win the Electoral College and won in a landslide, had he campaigned to win the popular vote I'm sure he'd have won that, not counting for voter fraud.

The proof is in the number of votes counted. Taking States that didn’t vote for him is what is known as gerrymandering.

There are a lot of things with the US poll, that affect turnout, such as location of polling stations which is a tactical approach that has and still is being employed to suppress turnout.

If you want a sensible discussion, you’ll get it. If you decide to troll, you won’t.

[Xhaka Can’t]

How about the Tory cunt thread, wishing death on them all that's not just extremely biased but incredibly divisive and frankly quite sickening.

That was named by your buddy.

But, point taken.

[The Wengerbabies]

Another great video from 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiWY0iRLV94

Man that night was so much fun, it was like a sports game!

[The Wengerbabies]

The proof is in the number of votes counted. Taking States that didn’t vote for him is what is known as gerrymandering.

There are a lot of things with the US poll, that affect turnout, such as location of polling stations which is a tactical approach that has and still is being employed to suppress turnout.

If you want a sensible discussion, you’ll get it. If you decide to troll, you won’t.

I took California out as it is a known liberal stronghold, merely trying to demonstrate that he does have great support among the gen pop. They also have a large illegal population who may or may not have been casting illegitimate votes.

That may be true but you strategise to win knowing these things.

I'm not trolling. But fair enough. Voter ID, is it racist?

I've actually always been surprised it's not a thing here from when I cast my first vote, it would have been so easy for someone claiming to be me to vote on my behalf, it has always seemed a no brainer to me.


That was named by your buddy.

But, point taken.

I have no buddies here anymore :getcoat: I am THE LONE RANGER!

[Niall_Quinn]

Doesn't matter what people think about Trump. He's the only viable candidate. Anyone who thinks the other guy is viable hasn't been doing much thinking.

[The Wengerbabies]

Doesn't matter what people think about Trump. He's the only viable candidate. Anyone who thinks the other guy is viable hasn't been doing much thinking.

Agreed. The fact that he's great entertainment is just a bonus.

[The Wengerbabies]

Hmm a viable 3rd candidate perhaps?

https://i.imgur.com/55yAy3Y.png

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1279575273365594112

[Xhaka Can’t]

Doesn't matter what people think about Trump. He's the only viable candidate. Anyone who thinks the other guy is viable hasn't been doing much thinking.

In my lifetime, I genuinely can’t remember such a shitshow in the US.

It has largely been the result of the most incompetently run administration I’ve ever witnessed. The turnover in his administration throughout has been mind boggling.

He keeps firing a bunch of incompetent losers. His words. Yet, he is the guy that keeps hiring them, in roles they are unsuitable for. The mark of a good leader is someone who surrounds himself with a good team. What does it say about him, when he keeps surrounding himself with people who lack experience, competence and an innate inability to comply with laws they themselves are meant to be the guardians of?

Trump is an unmitigated disaster.

Biden as an alternative is a sad indictment of the state of the political leadership within the US. If elected, he clearly will be a one term President. But he is today, by a huge margin, the least worst option that Americans have.

[Globalgunner]

It's pretty much established that 40% of eligible voters didnt vote in the last election and the remaining population last split in 2 by Hillary and Trump. So effectively the silent majority didnt vote. But it has almost always been the case not just in 2016. The question for this year is has Biden energised anyone more to vote for him and has Trump turned off even the few who did the last time.

For sure the debates will be key as well as hilarious. Dems are experts at losing easy elections. They may have chosen another clunker again this time.

[Globalgunner]

In my lifetime, I genuinely can’t remember such a shitshow in the US.

It has largely been the result of the most incompetently run administration I’ve ever witnessed. The turnover in his administration throughout has been mind boggling.

He keeps firing a bunch of incompetent losers. His words. Yet, he is the guy that keeps hiring them, in roles they are unsuitable for. The mark of a good leader is someone who surrounds himself with a good team. What does it say about him, when he keeps surrounding himself with people who lack experience, competence and an innate inability to comply with laws they themselves are meant to be the guardians of?

Trump is an unmitigated disaster.

Biden as an alternative is a sad indictment of the state of the political leadership within the US. If elected, he clearly will be a one term President. But he is today, by a huge margin, the least worst option that Americans have.

Trumps initial problem is that in 2016 he was a political novice. A loner. He put in place people that were recommended other people rather than persons he knew he could work with. He has had to chop and change. In my mind he is still surrounded by arseholes, many of whom do not have his interests at heart...He really shouldn't get a 2nd term but who knows at this stage.

[Niall_Quinn]

If the Maxwell girl survives (unlikely), you'll change your tunes - fast.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490367/How-coronavirus-BLM-protests-liberal-mayor-doing-Bin-Laden-never-could.html

Liberalism :bow:

Sadly they'll just move and probably continue to vote for the same policies.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's a fucking disgrace tbf. A great city like New York, reduced to shithole status by lefties. Everything they touch turns to shit. I don't know why New Yorkers don't just hang them from the lampposts. But again, come November, NY will vote Biden. It's a sickness and dependency they can't shake.

[Niall_Quinn]

We also need to establish the names of the scum who sent sick people into care homes - in the US, here in the UK and all around Europe. This was murder and it needs to be highlighted and investigated. First name up, Andrew Cuomo, obviously. But there are others.

[Niall_Quinn]

Can you believe there are 3 people on this tiny forum, supposedly intelligent people, who would vote for a dementia patient for president of the USA? No joke. Biden's head has gone and everyone knows it. He'll be a puppet to whoever can get closest to him. And yet, people here would vote for that. It just shows how strong TDS is. People who lap up the mainstream media and then make their judgements on that cancerous basis. People who are comprehensively uninformed because they choose to be. People who one minute are raising the fist for BLM and the next supporting a klansman like Biden. This is the sadness. The globalists use people they have brainwashed long in advance. There's no explaining to the victims. Their ears and brains are shut down. They even think they have their own opinions. It's very sad.

[The Wengerbabies]

We also need to establish the names of the scum who sent sick people into care homes - in the US, here in the UK and all around Europe. This was murder and it needs to be highlighted and investigated. First name up, Andrew Cuomo, obviously. But there are others.

Absolutely that is the real scandal here (along with the CCP lies and the WHO's complicity). Cuomo has blood on his hands no doubt about it.

43% of US deaths were from NY care homes https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-nursing-homes.html, yet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone covering it. Meanwhile Trump is hounded for saying 99% of cases are harmless, which may not be 100% factually accurate it is a figure of speech and for young healthy people the mortality rate is negligble, it's actually hard to find any data on this as it either doesn't exist (cos it's actually 0) or it's being suppressed.

Old people, especially those with pre-existing conditions like the majority in care homes are at high risk, yet Cuomo thought it's be a good idea to send cases to them. He's either monumentally retarded or did it on purpose to inflate the deaths to get Trump, sadly I wouldn't put such tactics passed the Dems.

[The Wengerbabies]

Can you believe there are 3 people on this tiny forum, supposedly intelligent people, who would vote for a dementia patient for president of the USA? No joke. Biden's head has gone and everyone knows it. He'll be a puppet to whoever can get closest to him. And yet, people here would vote for that. It just shows how strong TDS is. People who lap up the mainstream media and then make their judgements on that cancerous basis. People who are comprehensively uninformed because they choose to be. People who one minute are raising the fist for BLM and the next supporting a klansman like Biden. This is the sadness. The globalists use people they have brainwashed long in advance. There's no explaining to the victims. Their ears and brains are shut down. They even think they have their own opinions. It's very sad.

It's sad and worrying. Most people lack any capacity to think critically for themselves and are reliant on the media to tell them how to think and the media has their agenda.

[The Wengerbabies]

Young Black voters say they aren't enthusiastic about a Joe Biden presidency https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/08/joe-biden-young-black-voters-say-not-excited-candidate/5344135002/

Guess they "ain't black"


Good news for them Kanye may be semi-srs https://news.sky.com/story/kanye-west-unveils-2020-plans-and-drops-support-for-trump-12023956


Oh lawd imagine a 3-way debate between Trump, Biden and Kanye West. That would be absolutely hilarious!

[Dr.Gonzo]

Can you believe there are 3 people on this tiny forum, supposedly intelligent people, who would vote for a dementia patient for president of the USA? No joke. Biden's head has gone and everyone knows it. He'll be a puppet to whoever can get closest to him. And yet, people here would vote for that. It just shows how strong TDS is. People who lap up the mainstream media and then make their judgements on that cancerous basis. People who are comprehensively uninformed because they choose to be. People who one minute are raising the fist for BLM and the next supporting a klansman like Biden. This is the sadness. The globalists use people they have brainwashed long in advance. There's no explaining to the victims. Their ears and brains are shut down. They even think they have their own opinions. It's very sad.

I agree with this NQ. TDS is real and when Trump wins again, there will be a meltdown of epic proportion from the Left.

[Mac76]

Sadly some mod has edited the poll title and also thread title. This is poor moderation imo, it's really time I was made a mod if for nothing other than a bit of balance.

Edit: okay poll title has been changed back (Who do you want to win?), the thread title is supposed to read "2020 US General Election | Keep America Great & and other US political nonsense"

Your proposed title was completely unbalanced, i suspect that's why they changed it

[The Wengerbabies]

Your proposed title was completely unbalanced, i suspect that's why they changed it

It's not like we haven't had unbalanced titles before. But it's okay we see the hypocrisy, we don't get mad about it, we show them at the ballot boxes.

https://i.ibb.co/F8Z8msh/Screenshot-2020-07-08-Donald-J-Trump-on-Twitter-THE-SILENT-MAJORITY-IS-STRONGER-THAN-EVER-JUST-WATCH.png

[The Wengerbabies]

Media wants Biden to limit debates, possibly boycott https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/08/media-urges-biden-to-limit-debates-threaten-to-boycott-them-entirely/

You can see why, they know he'll get absolutely wrecked in them. The poor guy can't string a coherent sentence together.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Media wants Biden to limit debates, possibly boycott https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/08/media-urges-biden-to-limit-debates-threaten-to-boycott-them-entirely/

You can see why, they know he'll get absolutely wrecked in them. The poor guy can't string a coherent sentence together.

Words, lots of them. But no sentences.

https://youtu.be/WG7F2SYn0m8

[The Wengerbabies]

Words, lots of them. But no sentences.

https://youtu.be/WG7F2SYn0m8

I expected this counter argument tbh.

People already know all too well about Trumps ramblings, when they see just how incoherent Biden is how can anyone in good confidence consider him a decent candidate? The Dems best strategy is to keep Biden hidden away and not let him speak.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Biden is a poor candidate. Really poor. Possibly the worst candidate fielded by the Democrats for generations.

Even at that, he is a far better choice than the incumbent.

[The Wengerbabies]

Biden is a poor candidate. Really poor. Possibly the worst candidate fielded by the Democrats for generations.

Even at that, he is a far better choice than the incumbent.

That's what I'm saying the debates are going to be a hilarious shitshow.

Agree to disagree on the last part.

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wSQre2qXU

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wSQre2qXU

Bad ad.

The party had left them, hence why Trump managed to win the 2016 nomination.

[Xhaka Can’t]

It’s a good ad. And there are many more. All paid for by Republicans.

[The Wengerbabies]

It’s a good ad. And there are many more. All paid for by Republicans.

RINOs.

Republicans/Democrats, two sides to the same coin. That's why Trump won, he is the anti-establishment candidate.

[Letters]

He mostly won because he wasn't Clinton tbh.
Anyone who people vaguely liked would have wiped the floor with Trump.

[GP]

Obama would have won all 50 states. That's a proven fact.

[Niall_Quinn]

He mostly won because he wasn't Clinton tbh.
Anyone who people vaguely liked would have wiped the floor with Trump.

Which is a compelling argument if you discount the Republican Primary.

I wish more people were educated, not in the bullshit they are preaching at colleges these days, but in the realities of life going on all around them. So many people now live in a fantasy space created by the incessant media. The place they inhabit makes no sense, it defies all reason and logic, yet the denizens revel in the absurdity. Because, I guess, what else can they do?

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s a good ad. And there are many more. All paid for by Republicans.

It's a good ad, by political standards. But even I was surprised, as I'm sure you were, at the sheer number of lies and reversals they managed to pack into such a short piece.

[GP]

https://i.imgur.com/FVhgm4P.png

[The Wengerbabies]

Obama would have won all 50 states. That's a proven fact.

What about the other 7?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul3btnM0idk

[The Wengerbabies]

Great piece by Tucker Carlson https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-left-biden-debate-trump

Ridiculous that they think they can win the election without the candidate facing any scrutiny whatsoever.

Tucker Carlson is probably the best talking head out there, he is certainly the most reasoned and measured. I enjoy watching him when I can. Great guy. There's talk of the GOP wanting him to run in 2024, he would be a fantastic candidate imo. Speaks to the sane population.

[GP]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kkk-trump-david-duke-tucker-carlson-election-2020-a9609491.html

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kkk-trump-david-duke-tucker-carlson-election-2020-a9609491.html

https://i.ibb.co/YTkZSCK/Screenshot-2020-07-09-f07c25b738dd6f7ad1bf4ad3f9e429d6-WEBP-Image-650-366-pixels.png

[GP]

Is Hillary running again?

[Letters]

What about the other 7?
Be fair, he was brought up in Kenya. What would he know?

[The Wengerbabies]

Is Hillary running again?


Joe Biden didn't just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause in schools (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626)

Though I guess the left is trying to bring back segregation so that probably helps him....

[The Wengerbabies]

Be fair, he was brought up in Kenya. What would he know?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/26tknCqiJrBQG6bxC/giphy.gif

[Letters]

Tucker Carlson is probably the best talking head out there, he is certainly the most reasoned and measured
Quote from him in that video:

"When you criticize them they won't engage with you, they don't bother to rebut your point, they simply attack you"

:lol:

That is literally Trump's go to tactic, a man Tucker constantly sucks the cock of.

[The Wengerbabies]

Quote from him in that video:

"When you criticize them they won't engage with you, they don't bother to rebut your point, they simply attack you"

:lol:

That is literally Trump's go to tactic, a man Tucker constantly sucks the cock of.

He's not wrong though. How many times have they screamed racist at someone because they don't agree with them?

He actually quite often criticizes Trump.

[Niall_Quinn]

Quote from him in that video:

"When you criticize them they won't engage with you, they don't bother to rebut your point, they simply attack you"

:lol:

That is literally Trump's go to tactic, a man Tucker constantly sucks the cock of.

More ignorance here I'm afraid. Carlson is one of Trump's most effective critics, because he calls him out when he fucks up, and gives a thumbs up when he does okay. Like any reasonable, rational observer and commentator ought to do. These days, failing to criticise Trump 100% of the time is viewed as fawning.

The only place on TV you stand a 50/50 chance of getting some useful news is from Carlson. I think he's the last one left, can't think of anyone else. Still some good journos out there, but TV is a wasteland.

[Letters]

He actually quite often criticizes Trump.
Hmm. Done a bit of looking on YouTube and fair enough, I'll retract that.
Fox as a network are generally fans of the orange one though.

[The Wengerbabies]

Hmm. Done a bit of looking on YouTube and fair enough, I'll retract that.
Fox as a network are generally fans of the orange one though.

Fox are fair and balanced but any slight praise for Trump will get you labelled as a Trump fanatic. You have to be 100% against him or you're with him apparently.

[Letters]

Fox are fair and balanced.
No, they aren't. You just happen to agree with them.

[The Wengerbabies]

No, they aren't. You just happen to agree with them.

I was being somewhat facetious but they are certainly the most balanced mainstream network atm, they criticize and praise instead of full on criticism like everyone else.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Quote from him in that video:

"When you criticize them they won't engage with you, they don't bother to rebut your point, they simply attack you"

:lol:

That is literally Trump's go to tactic, a man Tucker constantly sucks the cock of.

Tucker’s cock doesn’t exactly go unsucked by Trump.

[The Wengerbabies]

Tucker’s cock doesn’t exactly go unsucked by Trump.

Mature.

[The Wengerbabies]

Cat gets voter registration application in the mail – after dying 12 years ago
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dead-cat-voter-registration-application

Voter fraud is real folks.

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNsGxiFalVQ&feature=emb_logo

[Letters]

Cat gets voter registration application in the mail – after dying 12 years ago
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dead-cat-voter-registration-application

Voter fraud is real folks.

So are lottery winners.
The question is how prevalent is it and which "side" are the fraudulent votes going to. Is there any evidence that it was a widespread problem in 2016 and that it heavily favoured Clinton, or Trump?

[GP]

Theres zero evidence that voter fraud is an issue

[The Wengerbabies]

So are lottery winners.
The question is how prevalent is it and which "side" are the fraudulent votes going to. Is there any evidence that it was a widespread problem in 2016 and that it heavily favoured Clinton, or Trump?

Almost always favours the Dems, and goes largely unreported by the MSM

But



In Texas

Court filings by the Texas attorney general reveal that funding for a voter fraud ring came from the former head of the Texas Democratic Party in Fort Worth.

Leticia Sanchez and three other vote “harvesters” have been indicted for allegedly submitting fraudulent absentee ballot applications and then either intercepting the ballots in mailboxes or improperly “assisting” elderly voters in filling out their ballots.

Separately, the Texas attorney general has announced he’s investigating mailers sent to non-citizens by the state Democratic Party asking them to register using applications that already had the box asking about citizenship checked ‘Yes.’”

In California

California was recently forced to admit that it had mistakenly registered almost 25,000 ineligible voters. The state didn’t even realize it was registering noncitizens until a Canadian who is a permanent resident of the U.S. contacted The Los Angeles Times to say he had been improperly registered under the state’s new automatic voter registration system.

In a letter calling for an audit, Democratic Secretary of State Alex Padilla admitted that such “persistent errors” will “undermine public confidence.”

In Pennsylvania

Over a 20-year-period, Pennsylvania Department of Motor Vehicles officials have allowed thousands of noncitizens to register to vote and many have actually voted.

After state officials withheld documents from the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) and even state legislators with oversight authority detailing this mess, the PILF sued to enforce a federal disclosure law. After months of litigation, state election officials are still concealing the information that no one in the media seems interested in uncovering.

In Michigan

PILF found that Michigan lacks a system to keep false citizenship claims from being accepted during voter registration. The group’s preliminary study of the Detroit metro area found at least 1,444 non-citizens have been registered to vote in recent years.

PILF has also found thousands of non-citizens – many of whom have voted – on voter rolls in other jurisdictions, including New Jersey, Illinois and numerous sanctuary cities.

In states around the U.S., major problems with our voter registration systems have been tolerated for years. A 2012 report by the Pew Center on the States found that more than 1.8 million dead people were registered to vote and 2.75 million people were registered in more than one state.

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/voter-fraud-exists-even-though-many-the-media-claim-it-doesnt

Dead people and illegals always vote democrat.

[The Wengerbabies]

Theres zero evidence that voter fraud is an issue

Because that's what they tell you.

[Letters]

Almost always favours the Dems, and goes largely unreported by the MSM.
Dead people and illegals always vote democrat.

A nice balanced source, there

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/heritage-foundation/

[The Wengerbabies]

A nice balanced source, there

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/heritage-foundation/

Well the left leaning media are hardly going to report it. The findings they report are still real. And who runs mediabiasfactcheck.com anyway?

Question everything, you can't trust anyone tbh.

[The Wengerbabies]

Okay Trump is a racist, he recently signed this racist EO

https://i.ibb.co/Cs0CDwP/Screenshot-2020-07-10-Donald-J-Trump-real-Donald-Trump-Twitter.png

Strange the left aren't reporting this blatant racism.

[The Wengerbabies]

Goya Foods: Hispanic brand faces boycott for praising Trump

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371392


Mr Unanue praised the president at the event, saying: "We're all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like President Trump, who is a builder."

Lowest Hispanic unemployment (pre Chinese virus) would agree with that.

Ridiculous, saying something nice about the POTUS is grounds for a boycott?

Some real gems of dishonesty in that BBC article too:


During his first election campaign, Mr Trump depicted most Mexican immigrants as criminals.

Just an outright lie with no basis.


He has also pursued controversial anti-immigration policies

Yes, saying people must follow the law to immigrate is controversial.

Scandalous that we are forced to pay for such left-wing propaganda.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Okay Trump is a racist, he recently signed this racist EO

https://i.ibb.co/Cs0CDwP/Screenshot-2020-07-10-Donald-J-Trump-real-Donald-Trump-Twitter.png

Strange the left aren't reporting this blatant racism.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-trump-signs-white-house-hispanic-prosperity-initiative-executive-order

The result of a 2 second search.

Of course this initiative has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump struggling in Florida.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The Wengerbabies seems awfully bothered about what is going on in America, presume they are a resident.

[The Wengerbabies]

Well this is embarrassing https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media/tucker-carlson-writer-blake-neff/index.html just days after I was praising Tucker on here.

But never let it be said that I'm not objective and only post stories that agree with me.

While he may have abhorrent views (tbh I've not read the whole article, it may just be sensationalism from CNN, which let's face it given their credibility is highly probable but assuming it is genuinely racist/sexist/whateverist) he never wrote anything racist or sexist for Tucker. This shows how scared they are Tucker's message and how much it resonates (#1 cable news show), they will try anything to bring him down and hurt his credibility.

[The Wengerbabies]

The Wengerbabies seems awfully bothered about what is going on in America, presume they are a resident.
No more bothered than rampant anti-Trumpers in the UK or BLM (an American issue) protestors/virtue signallers (including every PL footballer) in the UK.

I just love the country and hate seeing what the left are trying to do to it.

Also got way too much time on my hands recently ngl,

[Letters]

Swamp draining :bow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371756

[GP]

Even Shrek is jealous of the swamp he's built for himself.

[Marc Overmars]

No more bothered than rampant anti-Trumpers in the UK or BLM (an American issue) protestors/virtue signallers (including every PL footballer) in the UK.

I just love the country and hate seeing what the left are trying to do to it.

Also got way too much time on my hands recently ngl,

I absolutely love America. I could holiday there forever and never get bored.

But it’s a country being torn to shreds by the absolute psychopath in charge.

[The Wengerbabies]

I absolutely love America. I could holiday there forever and never get bored.

But it’s a country being torn to shreds by the absolute psychopath in charge.

Trump is the best hope against some very dark forces, not only for America but for the world.

The divisions are being driven by those in the establishment who can't stand the anti-establishment movement.

[The Wengerbabies]

Shame about tonight's rally in New Hampshire being cancelled due to the weather. Trump rallies are always good fun, no politician can match the energy and enthusiasm.

[The Wengerbabies]

Swamp draining :bow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371756

I don't know the specifics of the charges against Stone so to defend he commutement would be incredulous of me, however with the way the FBI handled to Russia hoax with regard to the hit job on Flynn
get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired? (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/29/fbi-michael-flynn-224311)

they are the swamp that needs draining and I wouldn't be surprised if the commuting is justified.

[Letters]

And you think he’d have done it if he hadn’t been one of his bff’s?
For someone who vowed to drain the swamp he does seem very...swampy

[GP]

And you think he’d have done it if he hadn’t been one of his bff’s?
For someone who vowed to drain the swamp he does seem very...swampy

Roger Stone said he had information that would have sent Trump down, but refused to flip on him. It's obvious what's happening here. It's so corrupt.

[Niall_Quinn]

Roger Stone said he had information that would have sent Trump down, but refused to flip on him. It's obvious what's happening here. It's so corrupt.

Ignorant moron. Flynn and Stone - two examples of injustice that have finally been corrected. Assange still to go. Yet the same nutters who swallowed Russia, Russia, Russia and Ukraine now have opinions on the next topic they know fuck all about.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't know the specifics of the charges against Stone so to defend he commutement would be incredulous of me, however with the way the FBI handled to Russia hoax with regard to the hit job on Flynn

they are the swamp that needs draining and I wouldn't be surprised if the commuting is justified.

Similar to Flynn - manufactured. There's no actual wrongdoing, no crime.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/07/11/23/trump-mask.jpg

Got to say I'm disappointed he capitulated to the mask wearing mob.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Shame about tonight's rally in New Hampshire being cancelled due to the weather. Trump rallies are always good fun, no politician can match the energy and enthusiasm.

Incredible energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqvGXGN4DA

[Letters]

Got to say I'm disappointed he capitulated to the mask wearing mob.
Do you mean doctors and scientists?

[GP]

Incredible energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqvGXGN4DA

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/d3/06/e6d306584b543d9bd96fed47dd678334.gif

[Niall_Quinn]

Do you mean doctors and scientists?

Depends which "doctors" and "scientists" you are talking about. The new doctors who work with the new science? Or the ones who still trust in real science?

Ask yourself? How can they be one minute stating categorically that masks aren't required, yet a few weeks later state categorically they are essential? Either they didn't know what they were talking about initially, or they don't know what they are talking about now.

Anyone who did a basic bit of research knows that masks are useful for infected people in closed spaces, or for those who will regularly come into contact with infection in closed spaces. Masks outside are literally pointless and even dangerous. Some "doctors" and "scientists" support the wearing of masks in all public spaces, even outdoors. Obviously these people are dangerously incompetent and they don't get a free pass just because they memorised enough material to claim a degree. A fool is a fool, regardless of his qualifications. And a corrupt man is corrupt despite the letters after his name.

[The Wengerbabies]

Do you mean doctors and scientists?

https://i.ibb.co/Dzg4pPp/gumask.jpg

[The Wengerbabies]

Incredible energy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqvGXGN4DA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0Yf4UgkXvk

[Letters]

<silly image>
Right. So as you have shown, you can provide a source which will basically back up any viewpoint on the internet.
My understanding is if used properly (and I agree that's a big if) they can help in certain situations.
Personally I don't wear one when I'm out and about, I can see why in confined spaces they could help.
They're not to protect you, they're to protect other people if you cough or sneeze.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Other people, wearing a mask in enclosed spaces are protecting you.

Those deciding not to wear a mask to make a political point are selfish cockwombles.

[The Wengerbabies]

Right. So as you have shown, you can provide a source which will basically back up any viewpoint on the internet.
My understanding is if used properly (and I agree that's a big if) they can help in certain situations.
Personally I don't wear one when I'm out and about, I can see why in confined spaces they could help.
They're not to protect you, they're to protect other people if you cough or sneeze.

That's the point though it's (especially in the US) has become highly political when there is no real consensus either way, if Trump had worn one from the beginning, you can bet your bottom dollar they'd have attacked him for that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg1G6bPJxNE

FAKE NEWS IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE


Other people, wearing a mask in enclosed spaces are protecting you.

Those deciding not to wear a mask to make a political point are selfish cockwombles.

My body my choice.

Talk is they may become mandatory here BoJo "looking at enforcement options" when they weren't mandatory during the height of the spread. Logic, not even once.

When I've been shopping the vast majority aren't wearing masks and I'll be dammed if the government is going to dictate another facet of my life.

Its a compliance test.

I may or may not wear one on occasion but it should be solely up to me to decide.

That's aside from the fact that they project weakness and submission.

Would also be a crime to hide my beautiful face tbh.

[dazthegooner]

So we're are to wear facemasks months into the pandemic like wearing a condom after she's fell pregnent.

[Letters]

I've seen that comparison before and it doesn't really work. It's more like it should stop fewer people becoming pregnant in future.
Although I agree that like lots of measures they've taken, it's a bit late.

[Niall_Quinn]

Other people, wearing a mask in enclosed spaces are protecting you.

Those deciding not to wear a mask to make a political point are selfish cockwombles.

What about those not wearing a mask, especially a homemade one, because they understand the science and can judge the risks? If I went into a care home I'd wear a mask. If I was exhibiting symptoms I'd wear a mask in enclosed spaces. Otherwise no. For the same reason I wouldn't wear fishing waders, it's inappropriate and of no use. All this nonsense about the risk of asymptomatic contagion, calculate the numbers. There's close of a 100% chance of the virus having no effect on you if you catch it and are outside one of the risk groups. You then need to run into somebody with the virus and become infected with a sufficient viral load. I don't know what the chances of that are, but it can't be higher than a few percentage points. You then need to suffer your immune system (we still have one, for the "scientists" who have forgotten) failing to cope with the infection. Multiply all those probabilities and you kind of look dumb wandering around in a mask, let alone wearing a mask outside which some people are doing for some unfathomable reason.

Then there's personal choice. If granny wants to go down to the supermarket then that's her choice, not mine. If I wanted to go into a care home while infected and spread the disease around then you could point a finger and call it shitty and selfish. But I know the risks when I go down to the supermarket or walk on the street (zero risk or as close to as makes no odds) and I assume others know the risk for themselves. If you are in a high risk group then take sensible precautions. If you aren't then go and live your life and stop being terrified by these flip-flopping bastards posing as competent authorities. Haven't they done enough by now to prove to you they haven't a clue and are making it up as they go?

I wore a mask at the start because the risk was unquantified. Now I won't wear one under any circumstances beyond those mentioned because I know there's no need. The old, proper science explains why, despite the new, political science stating something different every other day.

And anyone who doesn't like it can fuck themselves. Worry about your own life and leave me to deal with mine thanks.

Btw - does anyone know anybody who has actually caught this thing, or got sick from it, or died from it. To this day I still haven't personally experienced a single case. Maybe I'm just lucky or maybe this thing has been somewhat overblown. I wonder which it is?

[dazthegooner]

Not had anyone diectly connected to me but a few people I know have lost loved one's but they did also have ongoing health conditions, I had someone come round the other week to look at my gas boiler we got chatting and she told me her uncle had sepsis of the Kidney but when he passed away they put it down to Covid-19, His family asked for a private autopsy and they found he didn't have Covid-19 and it was sepsis that killed him.

[Mac76]

Btw - does anyone know anybody who has actually caught this thing, or got sick from it, or died from it. To this day I still haven't personally experienced a single case. Maybe I'm just lucky or maybe this thing has been somewhat overblown. I wonder which it is?

I have a good friend who was really down with it though not quite at the hospital stage

also a relative had it too, symptoms were milder but it was Covid

and my accountant had it too, about the same as my mate

most of my friends that i've asked have known one or two people with it but not many

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200713/f6c8fbff91ccf8612550f15e6ef1bd96.jpg


Americans, NQ and WB

[Marc Overmars]

A few of my friends had it. They all got it after a night out just before lockdown - thankfully me and the wife couldn’t make it that night. When video calling them they could barely talk without entering into a fit of coughing. They all had strong symptoms for a few weeks but none had any underlying conditions, they managed it fine and made a full recovery.

[Globalgunner]

Personally I think Trump is tired of the whole presidency thing. He is ready to throw it all in. Dont blame him.
Melania ain't sleeping with him no more and he cant sneak out to grab some pussy

[Letters]

Melania ain't sleeping with him no more and he cant sneak out to grab some pussy

Kennedy used to get it shipped in.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200713/f6c8fbff91ccf8612550f15e6ef1bd96.jpg


Americans, NQ and WB
No cos that would be stupid. We're not idiots going round licking spoons after kung-flu infected people have used them.

Just unlike those in charge we have common sense and weigh up the risks and use our own free judgement to decide how to act (where we are still allowed to do this).

[Xhaka Can’t]

No cos that would be stupid. We're not idiots going round licking spoons after kung-flu infected people have used them.


That’s right.

You just stick to licking windows.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8520363/Hillary-Clinton-says-ready-possibility-Trump-not-quietly.html

Well if anyone knows a thing or two about throwing a tantrum after losing an election, its certainly her.

But he won't go quietly, mainly because he won't be going.

Also Trevor Noah getting people to call him a comedian is easily his best joke.

[Letters]

:blink:

Why are you posting this when it's from the dreaded MSM who in the other thread you literally just said have no credibility.

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8520363/Hillary-Clinton-says-ready-possibility-Trump-not-quietly.html

Well if anyone knows a thing or two about throwing a tantrum after losing an election, its certainly her.

But he won't go quietly, mainly because he won't be going.

Also Trevor Noah getting people to call him a comedian is easily his best joke.

https://youtu.be/-yHgE9W699w

Yeah, that’s quite the tantrum.

[The Wengerbabies]

:blink:

Why are you posting this when it's from the dreaded MSM who in the other thread you literally just said have no credibility.

Fair point though I was merely using them a source for her comments, I could have equally posted the primary source from the show but I'd have had to go and find that.


https://youtu.be/-yHgE9W699w

Yeah, that’s quite the tantrum.

Jill Stein's recount, Russia hoax, the fact that she's still trying to stay relevant. She's a sore loser always has been always will be. Sad!

[Letters]

Jill Stein's recount, Russia hoax, the fact that she's still trying to stay relevant. She's a sore loser always has been always will be. Sad!
Can you imagine how Trump is going to react and act if he doesn't win later this year? :rolleyes:

[Letters]

Fair point though I was merely using them a source for her comments, I could have equally posted the primary source from the show but I'd have had to go and find that.
So you agree that they're a credible source in this instance?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't like the Mail and I am not arguing that the MSM are to be unquestioningly trusted, but neither are they to be entirely distrusted. Not everything they say is untrue, actually much of it isn't. There is surely more scrutiny on them on some bloke's YouTube channel.

[The Wengerbabies]

Can you imagine how Trump is going to react and act if he doesn't win later this year? :rolleyes:

No because he's not going to lose.

https://i.ibb.co/KzbXPjy/Screenshot-2020-07-14-Donald-J-Trump-on-Twitter-The-Silent-Majority-will-reign-Twitter.png


But if the unimaginable happens why does everyone assume he's going to freak out? Where is the evidence?

Though I'm sure if he has concerns re voter fraud he may legitimately raise them and it would be right to do so.



So you agree that they're a credible source in this instance?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't like the Mail and I am not arguing that the MSM are to be unquestioningly trusted, but neither are they to be entirely distrusted. Not everything they say is untrue, actually much of it isn't. There is surely more scrutiny on them on some bloke's YouTube channel.

tbh I saw the headline and just used the link as basis for my comment and the ensuing debate.

I'm very sceptical of anything published by the MSM, not just the MSM mind.

[Letters]

But if the unimaginable happens why does everyone assume he's going to freak out? Where is the evidence?
The way he behaves like a child who just broke his favourite toy any time anything doesn't go his own way.

[GP]

The way he behaves like a child who just broke his favourite toy any time anything doesn't go his own way.

PRESIDENTIAL HARRASSMENT!!!

[Xhaka Can’t]

No because he's not going to lose.

https://i.ibb.co/KzbXPjy/Screenshot-2020-07-14-Donald-J-Trump-on-Twitter-The-Silent-Majority-will-reign-Twitter.png


But if the unimaginable happens why does everyone assume he's going to freak out? Where is the evidence?

Though I'm sure if he has concerns re voter fraud he may legitimately raise them and it would be right to do so.




tbh I saw the headline and just used the link as basis for my comment and the ensuing debate.

I'm very sceptical of anything published by the MSM, not just the MSM mind.

The silent majority did not get to reign because of an archaic voting mechanism.

The Trump presidency is the definition of minority rule.

[Niall_Quinn]

Archaic? So the progressive remedy would be to let California and New York decide it every cycle? I'm sure that would suit the libs and their endless illegal immigration drive. But there are more than 2 states in the United States and the Federal Government is supposed to serve all those states, not just the dungheap states where they pile bodies high in preparation for election day and forget about them the rest of the time.

[WMUG]

Archaic? So the progressive remedy would be to let California and New York decide it every cycle? I'm sure that would suit the libs and their endless illegal immigration drive. But there are more than 2 states in the United States and the Federal Government is supposed to serve all those states, not just the dungheap states where they pile bodies high in preparation for election day and forget about them the rest of the time.

You could make it so a candidate has to win a majority of states to become president. The electoral college doesn't do that.

[Globalgunner]

You could make it so a candidate has to win a majority of states to become president. The electoral college doesn't do that.

It is impossible to win the electoral college with a minimum of states. Even with New York and California. Which is what the system is designed to do. How is that different fro. the UK where Tories regularly win elections with a overall minority popular vote

[Xhaka Can’t]

Archaic? So the progressive remedy would be to let California and New York decide it every cycle? I'm sure that would suit the libs and their endless illegal immigration drive. But there are more than 2 states in the United States and the Federal Government is supposed to serve all those states, not just the dungheap states where they pile bodies high in preparation for election day and forget about them the rest of the time.

It’s a popular vote. So, just count the votes.

The person with the most votes wins.

[Ollie the Optimist]

The silent majority did not get to reign because of an archaic voting mechanism.

The Trump presidency is the definition of minority rule.

While its not debatable that Hillary won more votes overall, she fell foul of the same problems Corbyn did in the UK.

Stacking up votes in safe seats/states doesn’t do anything. An extra million votes in California will not help. Trump had a decent campaign team who targeted some of those swing states that Hillary largely ignored.

Now, you can argue that the system isn’t great but the rules were set way before the 2016 election & Clinton & her team should have known which states needed visits to win & which were safe.

Although saying that, some recent polls are bringing some republican states into play this year such as Texas.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Anyways, the unthinkable has happened.

The Biden campaign has bought TV advertising time in Texas.

Their internal polling must be showing what the National polls are.

[The Wengerbabies]

Archaic? So the progressive remedy would be to let California and New York decide it every cycle? I'm sure that would suit the libs and their endless illegal immigration drive. But there are more than 2 states in the United States and the Federal Government is supposed to serve all those states, not just the dungheap states where they pile bodies high in preparation for election day and forget about them the rest of the time.


While its not debatable that Hillary won more votes overall, she fell foul of the same problems Corbyn did in the UK.

Stacking up votes in safe seats/states doesn’t do anything. An extra million votes in California will not help. Trump had a decent campaign team who targeted some of those swing states that Hillary largely ignored.

Now, you can argue that the system isn’t great but the rules were set way before the 2016 election & Clinton & her team should have known which states needed visits to win & which were safe.

Although saying that, some recent polls are bringing some republican states into play this year such as Texas.

Funny isn't it. They all knew the rules going into it and were happy with it, ...until they lost. Sad!

[The Wengerbabies]

Kanye has apparently dropped out https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8523933/Kanye-West-bows-presidential-race-exploring-getting-Florida-ballot.html

[Letters]

Funny isn't it. They all knew the rules going into it and were happy with it, ...until they lost.

Who says they were happy with it? Their - or my - opinion about the fairness of the voting system in the UK or UK exists independently of the results of an election, although an election result may reinforce that opinion.


Sad!
That sounds ridiculous when Trump does it. It sounds ridiculous when you do it. Grow up.

[WMUG]

It is impossible to win the electoral college with a minimum of states. Even with New York and California.
At the moment, yes. But if NY and California get bigger, they get more electoral votes and start being able to decide elections on their own.

[Niall_Quinn]

It’s a popular vote. So, just count the votes.

The person with the most votes wins.

Mob rule by the cities? Well why don't you take a look at the shit condition Democratic controlled cities are in right now, and be honest about it. The net result of such a system would be for both parties to campaign exclusively in the major cities and ignore the rest of the country, which already happens to a lesser degree with the flyover states, unfortunately, but would be compounded.

The Dems are already lining up policy to legitimise illegal immigrants. Up to 20 million of them so they can lock in states like California and New York. They make no secret of it. Their policy is clear. Keep importing immigrants until you have enough to guarantee a majority. And then plunge those immigrants into poverty and crime infested cities and leave them there for 4 years until you need them again. It's a vile, foul, strategy very much like the early days of the party of the KKK.

And now traditional liberals are fleeing Democratic controlled states and depositing themselves in states like Texas. Your liberal typically not being the sharpest tack in the toolbox, the idiots will still vote blue and end up inviting in the very rot they ran from.

But leaving all that aside, the Union was founded on an agreement between the states. That agreement is binding and nowhere in it will you find a mandate to discard representation in some states in favour of adding over-representation elsewhere. Any sort of corruption that saw bias and favour being directed to the east and west coasts would likely result in succession by many states who would no longer be served by the Union. Undoubtedly the liberals have considered this in their never-ending mission to destroy the United States. Bit like the cunts over here who are busy trying to disintegrate the United Kingdom.

And leaving that aside, the rules were clear when the arrogantly assumed victor Clinton, anointed hag, somehow lost the election despite the entire apparatus of the establishment lobbying for her. Rather like Brexit over here, where the result was a foregone conclusion before the vote. Two major shocks to a system that had become so corrupted, so intellectually lazy, so detached from the people it was supposed to serve, it couldn't see the express train rushing towards it.

And now the tears and the cries of foul, we want our ball back. And that's all that has happened in politics ever since, on both sides of the Atlantic. The establishment and its army of lackeys and gullible fools trying to overturn results they were crowing about in advance. So gracious were they that they allowed the plebs to speak on what was assumed to be a formality. And the plebs spoke. And now, surprise, surprise, the plebs are racists, and thick, and transphobic and they hate women and gays, and they killed Bambi and they're running around causing a black genocide and colluding with Russians and space aliens and - WAAAAAHHHHHH - change the result! Change it! It's not fair!

Come on - people can see right through this. Gather up your dignity and go back to the drawing board and come up with policies that everyday, sane people can get behind. Then put it to those people and see what they think. It's how the system works, imperfect as it is, but we all know the rules.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyways, the unthinkable has happened.

The Biden campaign has bought TV advertising time in Texas.

Their internal polling must be showing what the National polls are.

And tell me something. Let's suppose the Dems can win this. They can't (the postal scam is already being dealt with), but let's play fantasy for a moment.

Can you tell me what policies they are running on? What is it they want these votes for? What's the manifesto?

[Letters]

Can you tell me what policies they are running on? What is it they want these votes for? What's the manifesto?
I think it's mostly not being Donald Trump. So they get my vote. Or would if I had one.
Trump doesn't have any policies to speak of either - or couldn't think of any when he was asked anyway.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think it's mostly not being Donald Trump. So they get my vote. Or would if I had one.
Trump doesn't have any policies to speak of either - or couldn't think of any when he was asked anyway.

It's sad and troubling you can admit that, because what you are saying is sure, I'll throw all my objectivity and reason away because - Trump. This is Trump Derangement Syndrome. You won't put up policies and run on them to try to win endorsement. All you'll do is vote based on personality and 4 years of lies and deception.

As for Trump's policies - why so coy? His policies have been clear from day one. That's why the left is up in arms. Everything Trump stands for is hateful to them. America first. Fair trade. Controlled borders. Deregulation. The family. Religion. Law and order. And some other things that have been going on the whole time that benefit you greatly but you aren't sufficiently read to be aware of. There's no confusion about Trump's platform. To say there is indicates a great degree of dishonestly or self delusion.

[Letters]

You understand that Trump won in part because he wasn't Hillary Clinton?
It is sad but honestly, in most elections these days it's mostly about trying to pick the least awful option.
And why are you saying Trump stands for anything having previously said that he's just a figurehead :shrug:

[Niall_Quinn]

You understand that Trump won in part because he wasn't Hillary Clinton?
It is sad but honestly, in most elections these days it's mostly about trying to pick the least awful option.
And why are you saying Trump stands for anything having previously said that he's just a figurehead :shrug:

Because that's what figureheads do - they stand as an embodied representative of an ideology or philosophy.

[WMUG]

America first.

Biden's actually outflanked him on that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Biden's actually outflanked him on that.

Eh? Biden hasn't outflanked anything, last I heard. He's a vessel for whatever the progressive left wants to pour in. America last, indeed no America at all, has been the progressive left's policy since inception. But I'm ready to hear how Biden has managed to turn that around and actually express a pro-American policy.

[WMUG]

Eh? Biden hasn't outflanked anything, last I heard. He's a vessel for whatever the progressive left wants to pour in. America last, indeed no America at all, has been the progressive left's policy since inception. But I'm ready to hear how Biden has managed to turn that around and actually express a pro-American policy.

Committing to a buy American executive order. Whether he'll actually do it is a different matter, of course.

And the if the progressive left had anywhere near as much influence on Biden as you think, Wall Street wouldn't be telling their clients he'll preserve the status quo.

[Niall_Quinn]

Committing to a buy American executive order. Whether he'll actually do it is a different matter, of course.

And the if the progressive left had anywhere near as much influence on Biden as you think, Wall Street wouldn't be telling their clients he'll preserve the status quo.

I'm talking about the manifesto policies. I don't think for a second he'll deliver on any of them should he somehow gain the office. The Wall St guys are part of the establishment that define the status quo in much the same terms as the globalists and death dealing neocons. Provided they aren't restricted by borders and national regulations are subservient to international regulations they are happy as pigs in shit. Leaves them to engineer the next big casino bust. Those are the wankers BOTH candidates should be making number one on their list of targets. But they are untouchable. If you get their endorsement it means you definitely aren't doing it right. They tolerate Trump because he keeps their stock bubble inflated and doesn't interfere in their illegal stock buy-backs, not until this pandemic came along at least.

As for Biden's buy American policy - more pandering that will never see the light of day, rolled out to appeal to those who don't want to vote Trump but can't think of a reason to vote for the non-entity Biden. The shameless liar also claimed he was tough on China. He's horrifically transparent. How's he going to get this through when his puppet masters are all on the Chinese payroll? The guy will say what he's told to say, he probably doesn't even understand what it is he's saying, if he can manage to get the words out at all.

[Mac76]

I'm talking about the manifesto policies. I don't think for a second he'll deliver on any of them should he somehow gain the office. The Wall St guys are part of the establishment that define the status quo in much the same terms as the globalists and death dealing neocons. Provided they aren't restricted by borders and national regulations are subservient to international regulations they are happy as pigs in shit. Leaves them to engineer the next big casino bust. Those are the wankers BOTH candidates should be making number one on their list of targets. But they are untouchable. If you get their endorsement it means you definitely aren't doing it right. They tolerate Trump because he keeps their stock bubble inflated and doesn't interfere in their illegal stock buy-backs, not until this pandemic came along at least.

As for Biden's buy American policy - more pandering that will never see the light of day, rolled out to appeal to those who don't want to vote Trump but can't think of a reason to vote for the non-entity Biden. The shameless liar also claimed he was tough on China. He's horrifically transparent. How's he going to get this through when his puppet masters are all on the Chinese payroll? The guy will say what he's told to say, he probably doesn't even understand what it is he's saying, if he can manage to get the words out at all.

i don't even get why you're commenting on this thread.

you've been telling us time and time again that politicians don't matter because it's the dark forces of big business that control everything

So why do you care about this election? - surely it will make no difference because you've said again and again and again that politicans have no effect at all whatsoever on anything - surely you're not being inconsistent...????? ;)

[Letters]

I'm talking about the manifesto policies. I don't think for a second he'll deliver on any of them should he somehow gain the office.
Why are you asking what they are then? :blink:

[WMUG]

I'm talking about the manifesto policies. I don't think for a second he'll deliver on any of them should he somehow gain the office. The Wall St guys are part of the establishment that define the status quo in much the same terms as the globalists and death dealing neocons. Provided they aren't restricted by borders and national regulations are subservient to international regulations they are happy as pigs in shit. Leaves them to engineer the next big casino bust. Those are the wankers BOTH candidates should be making number one on their list of targets. But they are untouchable. If you get their endorsement it means you definitely aren't doing it right. They tolerate Trump because he keeps their stock bubble inflated and doesn't interfere in their illegal stock buy-backs, not until this pandemic came along at least.

Not sure what this has to do with the progressive left, who basically agree with you about Wall St, neocons etc.


As for Biden's buy American policy - more pandering that will never see the light of day, rolled out to appeal to those who don't want to vote Trump but can't think of a reason to vote for the non-entity Biden.

Yeah probably. Same goes for Trump though, his buy American thing was watered down the moment he came into office.


The shameless liar

If Biden's a shameless liar, what does that make Trump?

[Niall_Quinn]

The progressive left has hijacked the democrat base. So they have to be placated during the election process. The democratic party has certainly not been captured by the progressive left and are more right wing than the repubs on many issues. So if they get the votes to win, Bernie and his mob will be shat on again from a great height. Bernie knows that too but he's a lackey for the party. A dog that gets whipped and likes it.

It doesn't matter what it makes Trump personally, provided his policies are sane by comparison. I detailed earlier what Trump stands on. I wouldn't like to guess whether he actually believes any of it or not, but he stands on it and delivers on it, in the face of unprecedented hostility. I don't want Trump in charge of anything, in an ideal world, but we have far from an ideal world. Trump is a handhold against a slip deeper into the abyss. You have to suffer Trump right now to prevent the situation deteriorating to unprecedented levels of chaos and insanity. Once a grip is established then you begin the long, arduous climb back to liberty and Trump gets left way behind in the process.

But, the number one priority right now, don't let the leftists gain control. Everything hinges on that if we want any kind of future we can have a say in. Not that we'll get it if Trump wins, but at least the road towards it won't have been blown up.

[WMUG]

The progressive left has hijacked the democrat base.

If that were the case, Bernie would've won the nomination, surely?

[Xhaka Can’t]

And tell me something. Let's suppose the Dems can win this. They can't (the postal scam is already being dealt with), but let's play fantasy for a moment.

Can you tell me what policies they are running on? What is it they want these votes for? What's the manifesto?

You seem to mistake me for someone who believes the Dems are a solution to the shitshow in the US.

What they are is the least worst option. I was simply pointing out that they have bought airtime in Texas. Something they would not be doing if their internal polling was telling them they hadn’t got a chance.

[Niall_Quinn]

If that were the case, Bernie would've won the nomination, surely?

He did - twice, easily. But the DNC rigged the elections. This is common knowledge and the main reason why the Biden campaign has to pander so ferociously to the hard left.

[Niall_Quinn]

i don't even get why you're commenting on this thread.

you've been telling us time and time again that politicians don't matter because it's the dark forces of big business that control everything

So why do you care about this election? - surely it will make no difference because you've said again and again and again that politicans have no effect at all whatsoever on anything - surely you're not being inconsistent...????? ;)

No, I'm not. And I have explained this to you before, in torturously simple language. The political process legitimises (theoretically if not morally) the agendas of the competing factions. If the left gets control then their globalist puppeteers get the tools of control. The individuals dancing about for votes are neither here nor there once the result is rubber stamped. As we have seen with Trump. He's been thwarted at every turn. If he had any significant power he'd have made sweeping changes by now, rather than be bogged down in political bullshit for an entire term. Not sure why your lot doesn't think things through based on your own (ahem) reasoning. If Trump is Hitler, and the president is all powerful then WTF? What's stopping him from killing all the blacks and throwing out all the browns and passing laws to have women beaten? Obviously I'm using the insanity of the left to illustrate the point.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why are you asking what they are then? :blink:

??? Serious? To find out of any of the lefties have a clue what they are supporting.

[WMUG]

He did - twice, easily. But the DNC rigged the elections. This is common knowledge and the main reason why the Biden campaign has to pander so ferociously to the hard left.

Ok, just to see if I've got a read on your assessment of the situation.

The dem base is mostly progressive and voted for their preferred candidate who got ratfucked.

The DNC knows that to get the votes of the people whose candidate they stole the nomination from, they need to pander to them, but won't actually implement the policies they want but instead go off and pursue their own agenda.

Trump is the figurehead of the movement opposed to the DNC's (and cronies) agenda.

Anything else?

[Niall_Quinn]

That's a 10K ft view. The progressives signed off their pact with Biden just this week, claiming it is brimming with goodies for the lunatic fringe. That silly child Ocasio-Cortez, habitual loser Beto O'Rourke and the socialist Saunders all reckon they'll be getting significant input into their crackpot issues such as environment, gun confiscation and the economy. Saunders has been shafted twice now but is back for a third round. It's funny, but sad also. Meanwhile the Pelosi mob continues to be the party of war and Wall St. It will be impossible to reconcile the split.

[WMUG]

That's a 10K ft view.

?


The progressives signed off their pact with Biden just this week, claiming it is brimming with goodies for the lunatic fringe.

I don't know that they're claiming it's got everything they wanted, just that it's a compromise they're happy to make in the circumstances.


Ocasio-Cortez, Beto O'Rourke and Sanders all reckon they'll be getting significant input into their issues such as environment, gun control and the economy.

Sanders has been shafted twice now but is back for a third round. It's funny, but sad also. Meanwhile the Pelosi mob continues to be the party of war and Wall St. It will be impossible to reconcile the split.

I'm not sure I understand your point, didn't you say Biden is beholden to the progressives? Yet here you're saying they're just going to ignore them.

Or do you mean Biden et al are paying lip service to the left with no intention of following through on it?

[Niall_Quinn]

?



I don't know that they're claiming it's got everything they wanted, just that it's a compromise they're happy to make in the circumstances.



I'm not sure I understand your point, didn't you say Biden is beholden to the progressives? Yet here you're saying they're just going to ignore them.

Or do you mean Biden et al are paying lip service to the left with no intention of following through on it?

During the election cycle! He needs their voters. Then sure, afterwards it's a certainty he'll ignore them. Fairly standard party politics, lie, deceive, promise, pander - then drop like a rock.

Why are you asking me? You can get all this by translating the puff-pieces in the mainstream media. It's not backroom, secret stuff.

[WMUG]

During the election cycle! He needs their voters. Then sure, afterwards it's a certainty he'll ignore them. Fairly standard party politics, lie, deceive, promise, pander - then drop like a rock.

Why are you asking me? You can get all this by translating the puff-pieces in the mainstream media. It's not backroom, secret stuff.

I was asking you to make sure I understood what your view is.

One thing I'm still confused about is why, if you think progressives are going to be betrayed once Biden's in office, you think it's a problem that they're having an influence on his campaign.

[Niall_Quinn]

I was asking you to make sure I understood what your view is.

One thing I'm still confused about is why, if you think progressives are going to be betrayed once Biden's in office, you think it's a problem that they're having an influence on his campaign.

It's a good thing and a bad thing - I mean, not for me, I don't care. But good for the remaining genuine liberals who are likely fed-up with the constant drive to the right by the party leadership, I suppose. And bad because the fringe left really is a hive of lunatics who have literally no clue how the world works yet think they have solutions for all the major issues. They are very dangerous because they are so ignorant and aren't squeamish when it comes to naked authoritarianism.

[Mac76]

No, I'm not. And I have explained this to you before, in torturously simple language. The political process legitimises (theoretically if not morally) the agendas of the competing factions. If the left gets control then their globalist puppeteers get the tools of control. The individuals dancing about for votes are neither here nor there once the result is rubber stamped. As we have seen with Trump. He's been thwarted at every turn. If he had any significant power he'd have made sweeping changes by now, rather than be bogged down in political bullshit for an entire term. Not sure why your lot doesn't think things through based on your own (ahem) reasoning. If Trump is Hitler, and the president is all powerful then WTF? What's stopping him from killing all the blacks and throwing out all the browns and passing laws to have women beaten? Obviously I'm using the insanity of the left to illustrate the point.

for the millionth time i don't have a 'lot'

that's your trouble you can only think in a binary way - someone's right or they're left, somone's good or they're bad. everything has to be black and white

trouble is life's more complicated than that, but the more frauds like Trump try to pretend it's just a matter of waving your dick around and saying 'America First' and other menas-everything-and-nothing' slogans the more people are just too lazy to seek the more complicated alternative

[Niall_Quinn]

for the millionth time i don't have a 'lot'

that's your trouble you can only think in a binary way - someone's right or they're left, somone's good or they're bad. everything has to be black and white

trouble is life's more complicated than that, but the more frauds like Trump try to pretend it's just a matter of waving your dick around and saying 'America First' and other menas-everything-and-nothing' slogans the more people are just too lazy to seek the more complicated alternative

You have a self evident hatred of the right regardless of who or what that happens to be, so I just lump you in with the TDS victims and class envy bunch, which is a very mixed bag. From everything you have posted, that's not at all an unfair categorisation, even if it's broad. By "your lot", I mean people who just hate the right on an emotional level without applying thought or examining details or facts.

As for binary thinking, this is where we are at the moment, right down at the most basic level of not good versus evil, as such, but more humanity versus evil. The evil has to be stopped and then we can all get back to proper, nuanced debate. I mean how can you have a serious debate on anything when the left has had so severe a break with reality?

[GP]

Trump admitting he found a standard cognitive test "very hard"

Question such as count backwards from 100 and what day is it.

[Letters]

To be fair, no-one knows what day of the week it is any more.

[Letters]

"[the doctors] were very surprised. They said, that's an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anybody do what you just did" - Trump.

Assuming that what he just did was grab one of the female doctors by the pussy.

[The Wengerbabies]

"[the doctors] were very surprised. They said, that's an unbelievable thing. Rarely does anybody do what you just did" - Trump.

Assuming that what he just did was grab one of the female doctors by the pussy.

Locker room talk

also


And when you're a star, they let you do it

He's not wrong.

[Letters]

Locker room talk
Except for the fact he paid off Stormy Daniels, has had multiple women accuse him, has admitted, even boasted about, barging into changing rooms at Miss Teen USA and made very troubling remarks about his own daughter.

[GP]

It's been proven that he repeatedly raped his own daughter.

[The Wengerbabies]

Except for the fact he paid off Stormy Daniels, has had multiple women accuse him, has admitted, even boasted about, barging into changing rooms at Miss Teen USA and made very troubling remarks about his own daughter.

Of course he paid off Stormy Daniels, why would he want it to come out that he slept with her.

Funny thing is she broke the NDA and had to pay him, using the money donated by anti-Trumpers lmfao. Also her lawyer (Creepy Porn Lawyer) ended up being arrested, that whole debacle was a farce and Trump came out of it the best.

Accusations mean nothing.

Unaware of him boasting about barging into changing rooms, again though this may have been exaggerated locker room talk I would need to know the context and exactly how he was "boasting" before passing judgement.

He's a proud father.

[The Wengerbabies]

It's been proven that he repeatedly raped his own daughter.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l0Iyau7QcKtKUYIda/giphy.gif

[Letters]

Accusations mean nothing.
Oh cool. So how come Jimmy Saville who died an innocent man, in the eyes of the law, has been more or less airbrushed from history?
Of course accusations mean something, especially when multiple women are making the same accusation. And especially when it's backed up by what you dismiss as "locker room talk" and the other things I've mentioned.


Unaware of him boasting about barging into changing rooms, again though this may have been exaggerated locker room talk I would need to know the context and exactly how he was "boasting" before passing judgement.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/a-timeline-of-donald-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/


“He just came strolling right in,” Dixon said. “There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis.”
In a 2005 appearance on Howard Stern’s show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said.
“You know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant. And therefore I’m inspecting it… Is everyone OK? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that,”


He's a proud father.

Proud in the sense that his penis gets erect when he thinks of his daughter?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html


When Donald Trump was watching his 16-year-old daughter Ivanka host the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, he turned to the then-Miss Universe and asked: “Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?”
Mr Trump has called his eldest daughter “voluptuous”. He’s said it’s OK to describe her as “a piece of ass”, though she is a senior executive in his business empire. And he’s said that, if she wasn’t his daughter, “perhaps [he’d] be dating her
My daughter, Ivanka. She’s 6 feet tall, she’s got the best body”.
When asked how he would react if Ivanka, a former teen model, posed for Playboy, Trump replied, "It would be really disappointing — not really — but it would depend on what's inside the magazine."
‘Yeah, she's really something, and what a beauty, that one. If I weren't happily married and, ya know, her father . . .’”

[The Wengerbabies]

Oh cool. So how come Jimmy Saville who died an innocent man, in the eyes of the law, has been more or less airbrushed from history?
Of course accusations mean something, especially when multiple women are making the same accusation. And especially when it's backed up by what you dismiss as "locker room talk" and the other things I've mentioned.



https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/a-timeline-of-donald-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/





Proud in the sense that his penis gets erect when he thinks of his daughter?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html

These people crawl out of the woodwork years later making accusations for nefarious reasons, either for a pay day or to try and bring him down. It's most likely fake news, totally different to Saville.

As for the Miss Teen USA stuff, he may have been bragging he may not. He's a red blooded male and loves beautiful women. I will say it's a bit creepy to just walk into their changing rooms but they may not have minded. It's also nowhere near as creepy as sniffing young (pre-pubescent) girls in full view of the worlds cameras.

[Niall_Quinn]

What is this? So what if Trump grabbed the cunts of willing hookers? And even if he fucked his own daughter up the arse on live TV - unless he's raping her, so what? Where do we get this stupid fucking idea that women don't use sex to get what they want? Does anyone believe that's NOT the case? Really? Poor innocent whores being preyed on by paying punters? Oh dear! The tragedy.

So who died?

Even if any of the stories are true?

Who died?

The TDS loons are sad as fuck. Is that all you have, you pathetic bastards?

Bush, Cheney, Obama, Clinton. How many dead bodies? Be honest for a change. How many?

And Trump said he wanted to grab a pussy?

Some sense of proportion please - you lunatics.

[Xhaka Can’t]

140k and counting - that's who died

[Letters]

This is interesting

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53494766

The interesting thing is his demeanour, it’s almost...Presidential.
Maybe someone’s looked at the polls and had a word.

[Letters]

These people crawl out of the woodwork years later making accusations for nefarious reasons, either for a pay day or to try and bring him down. It's most likely fake news, totally different to Saville.
Explain how it's different.
I mean, they didn't crawl out of the woodwork for Obama.
Here's Trump loudly wondering why people were accusing him and not Obama:

https://www.vox.com/2016/10/14/13289202/donald-trump-obama-sexual-assault

Well maybe, Donald, it's because he doesn't behave around women like you do.
There are two kinds of TDS, there's a form which cannot see anything good in what Trump does and there's another which cannot see any bad. You can argue I veer towards the former, you seem to veer towards the latter.

My advice - stop trying to defend Trump's character. Like, I think John Lennon was a bit of a prick - sounds like it by all accounts. But I love The Beatles, I'm a fan of some of his solo stuff. I don't have to think he's a nice bloke who I'd want to have a drink with to listen to his music. You don't have to defend Trump's actions and words - particularly in this area - to think he's the better candidate. There is a difference. I think someone's character is more relevant to how they'll do as president than how they'll do making music. He's making policies, and if he harbours racist and misogynistic views then that will affect that, and I think that's a bad thing. Although I saw some video of Biden recently which showed him acting in a pretty creepy way so we might be stuck between a rock and a hard place this year.

[WMUG]

Bush, Cheney, Obama, Clinton. How many dead bodies? Be honest for a change. How many?


Quite a few.

What have drone strikes been like under Trump as compared with Obama?

[Globalgunner]

Quite a few.

What have drone strikes been like under Trump as compared with Obama?

Nobody can beat Obama in the drone strikes race. he may likely take that record to his grave

[GP]

Quite a few.

What have drone strikes been like under Trump as compared with Obama?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

[Niall_Quinn]

140k and counting - that's who died

I hope you gave that stat a good wash before handling it. Go on then.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I hope you gave that stat a good wash before handling it. Go on then.

You're right - its probably a lot more.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're right - its probably a lot more.

Thought so.

[The Wengerbabies]

Explain how it's different.
I mean, they didn't crawl out of the woodwork for Obama.
Here's Trump loudly wondering why people were accusing him and not Obama:

https://www.vox.com/2016/10/14/13289202/donald-trump-obama-sexual-assault

Well maybe, Donald, it's because he doesn't behave around women like you do.
There are two kinds of TDS, there's a form which cannot see anything good in what Trump does and there's another which cannot see any bad. You can argue I veer towards the former, you seem to veer towards the latter.

My advice - stop trying to defend Trump's character. Like, I think John Lennon was a bit of a prick - sounds like it by all accounts. But I love The Beatles, I'm a fan of some of his solo stuff. I don't have to think he's a nice bloke who I'd want to have a drink with to listen to his music. You don't have to defend Trump's actions and words - particularly in this area - to think he's the better candidate. There is a difference. I think someone's character is more relevant to how they'll do as president than how they'll do making music. He's making policies, and if he harbours racist and misogynistic views then that will affect that, and I think that's a bad thing. Although I saw some video of Biden recently which showed him acting in a pretty creepy way so we might be stuck between a rock and a hard place this year.

Nope I have no form of TDS, I'll critise what I don't agree with like this:

https://i.ibb.co/dkfN1pn/Screenshot-2020-07-23-Donald-J-Trump-real-Donald-Trump-Twitter.png

I hate how he's caved to the mask wearing loons.

And I know he's not a perfect human but perhaps the reason I feel the need to defend his character is that I'm a good guy and I see someone being victimised so harshly I feel a duty to speak out for them. I guess I'm just another SJW.

[The Wengerbabies]

140k and counting - that's who died

Comparable to Europe if you bundled together countries to give an equivalent population.

Where is the outrage over the nursing home deaths. Gov. Cuomo literally sent cases to them.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ok, 140k. If you believe that. Many will be in known because, just like a third world country, the US does not have universal healthcare.if you’re poor, or you lost your job, you’re shit outta luck.

And the cases still counting. At least they would be if the US government hadn’t gone all Communist Party of China in ‘managing’ the data and consequently hiding the information.

The continued numbers are despite having more advanced warning and a greater understanding of the efficacy of treatment as we learn more about the disease.

This, in supposedly the most advanced country the world has ever known.

[Xhaka Can’t]

So, if they vote for Biden, they’re gonna get.....

....Trumps America.


https://twitter.com/borisep/status/1285947226750164993?s=21

[Letters]

the reason I feel the need to defend his character is that I'm a good guy and I see someone being victimised so harshly I feel a duty to speak out for them.
Right. But he isn't being victimised.
He's under heavy scrutiny because of his position, but the huge flaws in his character and problematic behaviour aren't being made up.
He has all the behaviours of someone with a serious narcissistic personality disorder.
Whether that makes him unfit to be the POTUS is left for an exercise for the reader

[Niall_Quinn]

Ok, 140k. If you believe that. Many will be in known because, just like a third world country, the US does not have universal healthcare.if you’re poor, or you lost your job, you’re shit outta luck.

And the cases still counting. At least they would be if the US government hadn’t gone all Communist Party of China in ‘managing’ the data and consequently hiding the information.

The continued numbers are despite having more advanced warning and a greater understanding of the efficacy of treatment as we learn more about the disease.

This, in supposedly the most advanced country the world has ever known.

No, I don't believe 140K, for a second. I don't believe any of the stats from any country where garbage organisations like the CDC operate. The vast majority of these deaths are WITH COVID19 - which is the same as people dying WITH a common cold. So what? During an outbreak of an infectious disease, many people will be infected. Whether the infection has played any part in their death is entirely another matter and nobody is bothering to investigate that. These crazy numbers are just accepted on face value. Why do you think they did the whole, WITH COVID19, BS at all?

The real numbers will be much, much lower. And even then, trying to pin it on Trump is just laughable. He's had to contend with exactly the same corruption we've seen here in the UK. One minute the government and senior doctors are all for the tried and tested and practised herd immunity response. Which would have worked without having to kill the economy. Then suddenly it all shifts to an anti-scientific, untried, untested approach where the healthy are quarantined and the sick are sent into care homes. There are dangerous and evil people directing this response and it's not Trump. Why isn't the outrage of sick people being sent into care homes the very top news? Whoever is directing this global response has done everything possible to shut down economies and keep them shut, to get as many people killed as possible, to prevent herd immunity, to keep the fear levels ratcheted to maximum. And it hasn't been Trump. He's resisted this bullshit at every step but he can't overcome the self interested scumbags like Fauci, corrupt institutes like the WHO and CDC, the 24/7 baying media, and the marxists who have seized the chance to cause as much chaos as possible. Nor can he overcome the traitorous governors and left wing politicians, nor the quislings in his own party. Not all of them, combined.

So Trump's and Johnson's sensible and scientific early responses have been entirely reversed. And now we have leeches and magic spells and miracle vaccines brought to us by shits who just can't be shifted and have somehow gained supremacy over established science and long understood medicine. Ain't Trump.

Blaming Trump for the Chinese flu, spread by the Chinese in collaboration with the crooked WHO, is a purely politically motivated slap in the face for facts, history, reason and science.

You can take the inflated 140K and add it to every other inflated figure from every nation infected by the CHINESE Flu. And you can pin that on the CCP and all their globalist collaborators who have their slave labour deals to protect.

This doesn't detract from your argument the US has has a shitty healthcare arrangement for a large number of its citizens. That's true. But then again, we don't have proper healthcare here in the UK either - not any more. The whole system has been hijacked by COVID19. Thousands have died or will die prematurely because they can't get the treatment they need. This is another huge scandal, being pushed aside so a preposterous media and its repeater drones can push Orange Man Bad 24/7.

And from tomorrow - the next big step in trying to prevent herd immunity and prolong this outbreak. And the bonus of the removal of another liberty to boot. That'll be Trump's fault too.

The correct answer was approx 250. Trump has murdered around 250 people since becoming president. That we know of. Outrageous in itself, but nowhere near the levels of his predecessors, and he's also fought long and hard to keep the lunatics in the Pentagon and their mates at Boeing and Raytheon from starting wars all over the place. He's had to fire generals who work behind his back to get conflicts started or prolong them. And yet, he's gone along with Saudi' horrific war in Yemen. So it's a mixed bag. But he's still the first president since Kennedy (to a degree) who has resisted any of this routine mayhem that's so profitable for the few.

Which is why so many people hate him so much. Because he's not one of them and he's interfering in the bottom line. And everyone out there shilling for the big arms dealers and the globalist drug pushers and the big banks, thinking they are fighting against the man - do yourselves a favour and wake up.

What do you think happens if Biden wins? More of Trump's America? No, no. It will be back to America as usual. If that's what you want.

[Niall_Quinn]

Right. But he isn't being victimised.
He's under heavy scrutiny because of his position, but the huge flaws in his character and problematic behaviour aren't being made up.
He has all the behaviours of someone with a serious narcissistic personality disorder.
Whether that makes him unfit to be the POTUS is left for an exercise for the reader

Scrutiny?

You mean like Russian and Ukrainian conspiracy theories spun as fact by the media chorus and resulting in actual impeachment hearings? Do stop.

[Niall_Quinn]

Comparable to Europe if you bundled together countries to give an equivalent population.

Where is the outrage over the nursing home deaths. Gov. Cuomo literally sent cases to them.

Happened here in the UK too. And elsewhere, I'll bet. But it's not news because... I wonder why? With so many social justice warriors out there, I wonder why a few of them aren't sufficiently interested in this to, you know, push for justice? Instead they are screaming about "genocides" against blacks. What with that and Russia and the Ukraine, seems to me the left spends most of its time protesting fantasy. It's almost as if they don't believe in justice at all.

[GP]

Person, woman, man, camera, TV

[Letters]

No, I don't believe 140K, for a second. I don't believe any of the stats from any country where garbage organisations like the CDC operate.


Whoever is directing this global response has done everything possible to shut down economies and keep them shut, to get as many people killed as possible.

:blink:

Stats are really hard to interpret in all this but ultimately I'd suggest that the number of excess deaths this year is the best indication that this thing isn't just a fuss about nothing.

https://i.ibb.co/K2Bd5wD/Covid-Deaths.jpg

But it would be interesting to dig into the demographics of those excess deaths. I think you'll find it's mostly older people and shutting down the whole sodding economy was the wrong thing to do.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes - flu is dangerous to older people as it can weaken their response to a huge number of other conditions that are potentially fatal, Especially respiratory. And sick people were sent into care homes.

Sweden's response was to get as many younger people infected as quickly as possible, but try to shield those most vulnerable. They didn't do a great job on the latter, so they had a spike too, but now they must be close to reaching nationwide herd immunity so they won't have to worry about this when the rest of us are all in panic mode again come the winter.

Here, we'll all be wearing masks so the spread is impeded - though fortunately not by much, as the evidence from fanatical mask worshipping states and counties in the US clearly demonstrates.

[Letters]

And sick people were sent into care homes.
What do you mean by this? You seem to be implying a deliberate act.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Person, woman, man, camera, TV

He's like Keyser Soze, if Keyser Soze was a complete fuckwit.

What do you think he's looking at during the interview? A person (the interviewer), a man (the camera operator), a woman (Kellyanne), a camera (recording the interview), and a tv (monitor for playback).

[Xhaka Can’t]

And the American descent into fascism accelerates as unaccountable and anonymous snatch squads are deployed on American streets.

What a complete clusterfuck that once great country has become.

https://twitter.com/whitehouse/status/1286035950196404228?s=21

[Niall_Quinn]

So the marxist tactics are very easy to understand.

If Trump does nothing then he's criticised for letting America burn.

But if he does something then he's criticised for being a fascist.

The Dems, globalists, Antifa, BLM and the media are all aligned in promoting and conducting the violence, insisting it is peaceful protest even as fires and explosions go on around them.

This gives a third strand to their strategy. Every intervention to secure law and order is painted as an act of violence against "peaceful protestors".

On the basis of this foundational lie, the fake news media now refers to the arrest of rioters as "snatch" operations. And they're not talking about Joe Biden's unique way of rewarding his interns. These "snatches" are arrests that take place once the target has been isolated from the rioting mob. It is much more effective to conduct an arrest in a controllable environment, as opposed to in the middle of a "peaceful" riot.

The rioters want to burn down buildings. And they are being arrested as a result.

Here's an example of the hate that is being poured out by the rampaging and derange left.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286406849659432962

These hateful racists are teaching the next generation how to be as despicable as they are. It's essential to intervene and contain these hateful racists or western society will be pulled apart, which is their purpose.

It is somewhat surprising that normally intelligent and reasonable people have been so badly misled by such overt racists, rioters, wreckers and hatemongers.

[Niall_Quinn]

Here's one of the peaceful protests at the courthouse, in progress:
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286187623258628097

[The Wengerbabies]

A group of Republican House members, led by Rep. Louis Gohmert of Texas, introduced a resolution Thursday that would effectively ban the Democratic Party from the House or force a party name change over past slavery ties -- a response to the recent efforts to remove tributes to past members of the Confederacy from the halls of Congress.

It specifically cites the Democratic Party platform's support for slavery between 1840 and 1856, and other racist actions by party members through the early-to-mid 1900s, before calling on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to "remove any items that names, symbolizes or mentions any political organization or party that has ever held a public position that supported slavery or the Confederacy" from the House and its properties. The resolution also says such a party "shall either change its name or be barred from participation in the House of Representatives."

Gohmert, in a statement accompanying the bill, told Democrats they should rebrand to "avoid triggering" anyone.

"As outlined in the resolution, a great portion of the history of the Democratic Party is filled with racism and hatred," Gohmert said. "Since people are demanding we rid ourselves of the entities, symbols, and reminders of the repugnant aspects of our past, then the time has come for Democrats to acknowledge their party’s loathsome and bigoted past, and consider changing their party name to something that isn’t so blatantly and offensively tied to slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, and the Ku Klux Klan."

He added: "To avoid triggering innocent bystanders by the racist past of the Democratic Party, I would suggest they change their name. That is the standard to which they are holding everyone else, so the name change needs to occur."

The resolution's co-sponsors are Reps. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., Jody Hice, R-Ga., Randy Weber, R-Texas, and Andy Harris, R-Md. It is unlikely to pass, but appears to be meant more as a criticism of allegedly "blatant hypocrisy" around the House's approval of a measure removing Confederate busts in the Capitol this week. Weber, speaking on the House floor after Gohmert introduced his resolution, criticized "cancel culture."

"The cancel culture train, H.R. 7573, that passed yesterday, was wrong on a deep level. I'm not going to get on that cancel culture train that says we have to do away with any mention or remembrance of everybody or everything that we don't agree with, or that might have said something we don't like, didn't like, or that might have stood for something that we don't stand for," Weber said.

Because the resolution is privileged, it takes priority over other business on the House floor. And assuming it isn't dispensed with via voice vote, lawmakers would likely be forced to go on the record on the resolution, even if that's through a motion to table it or refer it to a committee.

The legislation to remove statues of Confederates passed 301-113 earlier this week with 72 Republicans and Rep. Justin Amash, L-Mich., voting in favor of it.

"Just imagine what it feels like as an African American to know that my ancestors built the Capitol, but yet there are monuments to the very people that enslaved my ancestors," Rep. Karen Bass, D-Calif., said Wednesday. "...These individuals do not deserve to be honored."

A group of Republican House members, led by Rep. Louis Gohmert of Texas, introduced a resolution Thursday that would effectively ban the Democratic Party from the House or force a party name change over past slavery ties -- a response to the recent efforts to remove tributes to past members of the Confederacy from the halls of Congress.

It specifically cites the Democratic Party platform's support for slavery between 1840 and 1856, and other racist actions by party members through the early-to-mid 1900s, before calling on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to "remove any items that names, symbolizes or mentions any political organization or party that has ever held a public position that supported slavery or the Confederacy" from the House and its properties. The resolution also says such a party "shall either change its name or be barred from participation in the House of Representatives."

Gohmert, in a statement accompanying the bill, told Democrats they should rebrand to "avoid triggering" anyone.

"As outlined in the resolution, a great portion of the history of the Democratic Party is filled with racism and hatred," Gohmert said. "Since people are demanding we rid ourselves of the entities, symbols, and reminders of the repugnant aspects of our past, then the time has come for Democrats to acknowledge their party’s loathsome and bigoted past, and consider changing their party name to something that isn’t so blatantly and offensively tied to slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, and the Ku Klux Klan."

He added: "To avoid triggering innocent bystanders by the racist past of the Democratic Party, I would suggest they change their name. That is the standard to which they are holding everyone else, so the name change needs to occur."

The resolution's co-sponsors are Reps. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., Jody Hice, R-Ga., Randy Weber, R-Texas, and Andy Harris, R-Md. It is unlikely to pass, but appears to be meant more as a criticism of allegedly "blatant hypocrisy" around the House's approval of a measure removing Confederate busts in the Capitol this week. Weber, speaking on the House floor after Gohmert introduced his resolution, criticized "cancel culture."

"The cancel culture train, H.R. 7573, that passed yesterday, was wrong on a deep level. I'm not going to get on that cancel culture train that says we have to do away with any mention or remembrance of everybody or everything that we don't agree with, or that might have said something we don't like, didn't like, or that might have stood for something that we don't stand for," Weber said.

Because the resolution is privileged, it takes priority over other business on the House floor. And assuming it isn't dispensed with via voice vote, lawmakers would likely be forced to go on the record on the resolution, even if that's through a motion to table it or refer it to a committee.

The legislation to remove statues of Confederates passed 301-113 earlier this week with 72 Republicans and Rep. Justin Amash, L-Mich., voting in favor of it.

"Just imagine what it feels like as an African American to know that my ancestors built the Capitol, but yet there are monuments to the very people that enslaved my ancestors," Rep. Karen Bass, D-Calif., said Wednesday. "...These individuals do not deserve to be honored."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...t-slavery-ties

Cancel culture :bow:

[The Wengerbabies]

Right. But he isn't being victimised.
He's under heavy scrutiny because of his position, but the huge flaws in his character and problematic behaviour aren't being made up.
He has all the behaviours of someone with a serious narcissistic personality disorder.
Whether that makes him unfit to be the POTUS is left for an exercise for the reader

He is being treated more unfairly than anyone before him.

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT

[Xhaka Can’t]

He is being treated more unfairly than anyone before him.

PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200724/631ce259aa0312fe69b5410fedef5dba.plist

[Xhaka Can’t]

Here's one of the peaceful protests at the courthouse, in progress:
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1286187623258628097

Silly me, wanting to hold the Head of State of the most powerful (for now) country in the world to a higher standard than rioters.

[GP]

Silly me, wanting to hold the Head of State of the most powerful (for now) country in the world to a higher standard than rioters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHMiDlkF-ew

[Letters]

He is being treated more unfairly than anyone before him.

Very hard to quantify but I call bullshit on that.
He gives people so much ammo in pretty much every Tweet.
If he doesn't want to be called out for lying all the time then he could just, y'know, stop lying all the time.

[The Wengerbabies]

Very hard to quantify but I call bullshit on that.
He gives people so much ammo in pretty much every Tweet.
If he doesn't want to be called out for lying all the time then he could just, y'know, stop lying all the time.
https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/C_kiQqmXUAAA471-998x574.jpg

Something as trivial as this is a big scandal to the unhinged fake news media.

Whatever he does, no matter how inconsequential is criticised.

Did Obama, Bush or Clinton get scrutinised about how much ice cream they served guests?

[The Wengerbabies]

Thought Xhaka Can't might find this interesting

https://i.ibb.co/tHzFP71/96982649-18-F8-4619-B7-A5-744737-D010-E2.jpg

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VHR0lGMd7c

:lol:

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/C_kiQqmXUAAA471-998x574.jpg

Something as trivial as this is a big scandal to the unhinged fake news media.

Whatever he does, no matter how inconsequential is criticised.

Did Obama, Bush or Clinton get scrutinised about how much ice cream they served guests?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cZG81-MPQ

Not to mention the Obama tan suit scandal.

Or the Obama cycle helmet.

[Letters]

Trump :lol:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/donald-trump-falsely-claims-america-22315486

[The Wengerbabies]

University of Notre Dame doing their bit to try and help Sleepy Creepy Uncle Joe 30330, pulling out of hosting the first debate as “the necessary health precautions would have greatly diminished the educational value of hosting the debate on our campus" despite the fact that their football team is preparing to play with no concern for "health precautions" and in-person classes resume.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/27/first-presidential-debate-to-take-place-in-cleveland-after-notre-dame-withdraws/

Thankfully Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland have stepped in.

[Globalgunner]

The less we see of Dopey Joe. the better his chances. The more we see of his opponent, the more we wish we were born in another space and time

[The Wengerbabies]

The less we see of Dopey Joe. the better his chances.

Yep the strategy is to keep him hidden in his basement

https://i.imgflip.com/45d6x7.jpg

They know as soon as he starts talking he loses.

[GP]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975

lol.

He knows he can't win.

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://twitter.com/thehermancain/status/1274489632886075398?s=21

5 weeks later.....


https://hermancain.com/heartbroken-world-poorer-herman-cain-gone-lord/

I hope god has a good supply of hydrooxychloroquine.

[GP]

Of or with?


:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Letters]

You both lose points for omitting keywords like PLANDEMIC and CONTROLAVIRUS.

[GP]

It's SCAMDEMIC dumbass.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Only the Dems could come up with a virus that kills people despite it being completely fake.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975

lol.

He knows he can't win.
He's probably just stirring the pot. The dems are trying to keep everything shut/delayed to hurt the economy so by their logic the elections should also be postponed.

It's been said those that get Trump take him seriously but not literally, those that don't take him literally but not seriously.


https://twitter.com/thehermancain/status/1274489632886075398?s=21

5 weeks later.....


https://hermancain.com/heartbroken-world-poorer-herman-cain-gone-lord/

I hope god has a good supply of hydrooxychloroquine.
Classy.

No evidence that he caught it at the rally. He was old and just survived colon cancer so highly susceptible he was reckless but at least he used his free will.

Anyway RIP :rose:


Only the Dems could come up with a virus that kills people despite it being completely fake.
See above it's not fake it targets the eldery and immunocompromised its nowhere near a serious to warrant fucking up the entire world.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Since when did you start requiring evidence?

[The Wengerbabies]

Since when did you start requiring evidence?



There is a difference between speculation and conjecture.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yes.

There is also a difference between lots of other different words.

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://www.settleforbiden.org

Pretty much.

[Mac76]

https://www.settleforbiden.org

Pretty much.

Indeed

[The Wengerbabies]

An endorsement from people who thought Crazy Bernie or Pocahontas were a good choice is hardly something to shout about.

[Letters]

An endorsement from people who thought Crazy Bernie or Pocahontas were a good choice is hardly something to shout about.

Yeah, what you really want is endorsement from KKK members.
But hey, I’m sure there are good people on both sides.

[Globalgunner]

A ringing endorsement for sleepy Joe indeed. A straight choice between a shit sandwich and a manure buffet

[Mac76]

ladies and gentlemen I present... Life President Trump at your service

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53597975

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah, what you really want is endorsement from KKK members.
But hey, I’m sure there are good people on both sides.

Do you know anything (at all) about the history of the KKK and the Democratic Party? Probably best to look it up.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Right...so Americans should vote based upon the policies a political party had in the 1800s to 1950s?

Or maybe they should vote for Trump based on the policies of Lincoln?

Look, we both know that both the main political parties are comprised of crooks and liars.

The difference is, one is led by a malignant toddler who is vindictive, consumed with malice and has no problem with causing unlimited damage to anyone he perceives to have slighted him.

And he is using all the forces of the State to do it.

An absolute fucking monster.

[Mac76]

Right...so Americans should vote based upon the policies a political party had in the 1800s to 1950s?

Or maybe they should vote for Trump based on the policies of Lincoln?

Look, we both know that both the main political parties are comprised of crooks and liars.

The difference is, one is led by a malignant toddler who is vindictive, consumed with malice and has no problem with causing unlimited damage to anyone he perceives to have slighted him.

And he is using all the forces of the State to do it.

An absolute fucking monster.

:gp:

[Niall_Quinn]

Right...so Americans should vote based upon the policies a political party had in the 1800s to 1950s?

Or maybe they should vote for Trump based on the policies of Lincoln?

Look, we both know that both the main political parties are comprised of crooks and liars.

The difference is, one is led by a malignant toddler who is vindictive, consumed with malice and has no problem with causing unlimited damage to anyone he perceives to have slighted him.

And he is using all the forces of the State to do it.

An absolute fucking monster.


I was mentioning history to our mutual friend so he wouldn't overplay it on the self congratulatory ignorance scale. Didn't mention anything about voting.

Talking of recent history, much more recent than 1950, ask Hillary about her KKK buddy and how much she misses him. And the modern identity politics. I'd say race hate was alive and well on the "democratic" side.

Listen to yourself. You can only see this as Trump vs Anything.

[The Wengerbabies]

.

The difference is, one is led by a malignant toddler who is vindictive, consumed with malice and has no problem with causing unlimited damage to anyone he perceives to have slighted him.

And he is using all the forces of the State to do it.

An absolute fucking monster.

Yeah, using the IRS to target political opponents (Ben Carson for example) or Crossfire Hurricane (using the FBI to spy on a rivals presidential campaign) he should absolutely be admonished for doing these things.

Oh wait that was Hussain Obama.

[The Wengerbabies]

Hong Kong have delayed their elections by a year. The dems say it's not safe for kids to go to school, they want to keep the economy shuttered, perhaps a delay to the US election is reasonable?

[The Wengerbabies]

Yeah, what you really want is endorsement from KKK members.
But hey, I’m sure there are good people on both sides.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/63/09/2c/63092c7345cce7b96358dbe3015944c7.jpg

Not surprising though the dems are the party of the KKK and the GOP is the party of emancipation.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Hong Kong have delayed their elections by a year. The dems say it's not safe for kids to go to school, they want to keep the economy shuttered, perhaps a delay to the US election is reasonable?

Yeah, I agree.

Let’s look to the Communist Party of China for advice on how to run a democracy.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I was mentioning history to our mutual friend so he wouldn't overplay it on the self congratulatory ignorance scale. Didn't mention anything about voting.

Talking of recent history, much more recent than 1950, ask Hillary about her KKK buddy and how much she misses him. And the modern identity politics. I'd say race hate was alive and well on the "democratic" side.

Listen to yourself. You can only see this as Trump vs Anything.

Hilary? Is she running again?

And as for your last sentence, yes, it would have to be one seriously nasty fucker for Trump to be the better option.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yeah, I agree.

Let’s look to the Communist Party of China for advice on how to run a democracy.

Again. The irony. That's precisely what the left is doing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Hilary? Is she running again?

And as for your last sentence, yes, it would have to be one seriously nasty fucker for Trump to be the better option.

Didn't mention the election. But yes, Hillary is running again, and creatures like her. They'll be the shadow behind the dancing puppet if the postal vote fraud can be achieved.

[The Wengerbabies]

Hilary? Is she running again?

And as for your last sentence, yes, it would have to be one seriously nasty fucker for Trump to be the better option.

Its how we've been responding the the pandemic so far with all these restrictions on our individual liberties.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Again. The irony. That's precisely what the left is doing.

What about the people who aren’t dogmatically left, right or an out and out batshit crazy conspiracy theorist?

[WMUG]

Again. The irony. That's precisely what the left is doing.

In what way?

[The Wengerbabies]

What about the people who aren’t dogmatically left, right or an out and out batshit crazy conspiracy theorist?

Yes, what about us?

[The Wengerbabies]

Was Joe Biden’s Son Part of a Chinese Spy Operation to Steal U.S. Nuclear Technology?

by Charles "Sam" Faddis July 31, 2020

The China General Nuclear Power Corporation (CGN) is a state-owned firm and is part of the Chinese government. It is controlled by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). It has been implicated in the theft of highly sensitive American technology and the provision of that technology to the Chinese Communist Party. In fact, it appears that the General Nuclear Power Corporation was created for the sole purpose of stealing American nuclear secrets.

In 2017 Szuhsiung Ho, a consultant employed by CGN was charged by the U.S. Department of Justice with “assisting CGN in procuring U.S.-based nuclear engineers to assist with designing and manufacturing certain components for nuclear reactors.” Ho ultimately pled guilty, paid a fine of $20,000, and was sentenced to two years in prison.

CGN was formed in 2014. One of its cornerstone investors was the private equity firm BHR Partners, headed up by Vice-President Biden’s son, Hunter Biden. The company put $10 million into the initial public offering for CGN. BHR Partners was a joint venture between Rosemont Seneca Partners, an investment fund founded by Hunter Biden, Secretary of State John Kerry’s stepson in 2009, and the state-owned Bank of China.

This billion-dollar fund came into existence less than two weeks after Hunter Biden accompanied his father on a state visit to Beijing. The money to create the fund came from the Chinese government.

Ho was responsible for recruiting six nuclear engineers to provide information to CGN. The information was sometimes relayed through Ho and sometimes directly to CGN during trips there. Ho additionally operated a front company called Energy Technology International in Delaware. The engineers providing intelligence to Beijing were “hired” by CGN through this company. At least one of the engineers was an employee of the Tennessee Valley Authority.

The six engineers provided information on nuclear fuel materials including the plutonium used in MOX fuel, the U-233 used in the thorium fuel cycle, and conventional U-235 enriched nuclear fuel. The intelligence appears to have been used by the Chinese to advance their own work on new reactor types including the new ACPR small modular reactor.

China is competing – head to head – with American companies like Westinghouse for new nuclear reactor deals abroad. The information stolen from the United States may well provide China the necessary competitive advantage to land as many as thirty new reactor construction contracts. There have also been indications that some of the information stolen may pertain to the kinds of reactors used on American nuclear submarines. Even after the DOJ action and Ho’s conviction, Biden and BHR did not divest from CGN.

Biden and BHR were also involved in other joint ventures with the Chinese government targeting sensitive American technology and strategic materials. BHR and the Chinese state-owned military aviation contractor Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) bought the American “dual-use” part manufacturer Henniges in 2015. Henniges manufactures anti-vibration technology with military applications.

The year before Biden’s BHR teamed up with AVIC that company stole technology related to the F-35 fighter program from the United States.
BHR made another investment with a Chinese state-owned company in 2016. That company, China Molybdenum, acquires molybdenum, and other rare-earth minerals that have military and nuclear applications. The company is controlled by the Chinese government. In 2016 China Molybdenum announced it was buying more than half of the Tenke Fungurume copper mine in the Democratic Republic of Congo for $2.6 billion. A few months later, BHR announced it would buy another 24 percent stake in the mine for $1.5 billion. The mine provides metals crucial to transportation, communications, construction, computers, medical science, and emerging technologies.

Hunter Biden’s business dealings have been in the news for some time, and there seems little doubt that his ethics are questionable at best. Any objective assessment of his involvement with the Ukrainian firm Burisma, for instance, reveals that he was almost certainly paid to use his influence with his father, the Vice-President, and other U.S. officials to bring pressure to bear on the Ukrainian government to terminate the ongoing corruption investigation of Burisma and its leadership. Anyone who has watched the infamous video of Joe Biden bragging about leaning on the Ukrainians to fire the prosecutor conducting the investigation will likely conclude Hunter did exactly what he was paid to do, provide top cover.

Hunter’s involvement with CGN, though, is something qualitatively different. This was not simply a matter of a guy who had been tossed out of the Navy for cocaine use cashing in on his father’s position. This was a matter of climbing in bed with a hostile power and working as an agent of that government to the detriment of the citizens of the United States. This was not just corruption. This was espionage.

Was Joe Biden’s son part of a Chinese spy operation to steal U.S. nuclear technology? Sure smells that way.

http://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/07/31/was-joe-bidens-son-part-of-a-chinese-spy-operation-to-steal-u-s-nuclear-technology/.

[Niall_Quinn]

What about the people who aren’t dogmatically left, right or an out and out batshit crazy conspiracy theorist?

Left and right are just convenient terms these days. I guess there are still a few people out there who are genuinely labour focused left wingers, just as there are a few out there who are traditional conservatives. But mainly we now have a divide between the smash, loot, burn and destroy faction who will do absolutely anything to gain power in order to preserve the long standing globalist agenda (big banks, big business, treason, etc, etc) and the rest who accept, despite probably being dissatisfied with in one way or another, the principle of the current system - democracy, law and order, national borders, distinct cultures, family, etc.

Left wing principles have been hijacked and subverted to draw normally sane individuals into the world of intersectional and divisive politics. So the civil rights movement is now a vehicle for overt racism. The feminist movement is now a vehicle for destroying the family, and so on.

The bough and paid for mainstream media have been instrumental in all of it, shilling endlessly for their corporate puppet masters. To the extend we can now see one thing happening with our own eyes, while they tell us the exact opposite is happening. And many are so hopelessly indoctrinated they can force their brains to accept the illusion. Essentially they are mentally ill. Or they have been driven mentally insane by a stream of brain twisting paradoxes imposed on them by authority sources they have learned to trust.

And then, of course, everyone outside the cult becomes a threat and a "conspiracy theorist", because it has to be that way. The messenger must be shot because the message runs so contrary to the program and is in plain sight and beyond question. Everyone outside the "left" is therefore alt-right, racist, etc. Because it makes sense to dismiss such types out of hand, therefore no need to listen to them and no threat to the programming.

So I don't know, what about people who aren't on one side of this or the other? Can you name any? Unless (given you contributions here which are rather obvious) you're claiming to be neutral yourself? That's not going to fly.

[Niall_Quinn]

In what way?

The globalists dealings with China and their willingness to see Chinese authoritarian measures being expanded to the civilised world is not a secret. China has made elite globalists rich and powerful beyond imagination. The nature of China lends itself perfectly to the dreams of one world authoritarianism. A tightly controlled, homogenised population that is micro managed at every level, thus removing much of the threat of an organised push back.

Nationalists are the precise opposite. They see China as the self evident threat it is. Not because the Chinese people are bad, but because Chinese authoritarian leaders and western authoritarian globalists sing from the same sheet and are more than happy to exploit the masses. Nationalists might oppose this godless alliance on many grounds ranging from the dreadful neocons who need enemies through to libertarians who oppose the Chinese system on principle.

Whatever, it is the globalists who are in bed with the Chinese, the same globalists doing what they always do, accusing others of the very crimes they themselves are committing.

[The Wengerbabies]

REVEALED: New York City has already had more shootings in 2020 than in the whole of 2019 - with another SEVEN attacks on Sunday morning alone

New York City surpassed the gun shootings total for 2019 on Saturday night
By Saturday night there were 777 shootings so far this year, while in the whole of 2019 the city recorded 776 shootings
By late Sunday morning that total had risen to 784 shootings
The greatest number of shootings have been in Brownsville and East New York
The Upper West Side has seen the largest percentage increase in gun violence
Between June 1-30, there was a 130 per cent increase in the number of shootings

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8585265/New-York-City-shootings-2020-2019-man-777th-victim.html

Defund the police :bow:

I'm sure this is Trumps fault.

[Letters]

Not understanding what "Defund the police" means :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Defund the police is such a stupid phrase, which is ripe for simpletons to misrepresent to fellow simpletons.

The programme is about reallocating resources so that the right professions receive the resources they need to alleviate problems in society that shouldn’t need police intervention.

[Letters]

Defund the police is such a stupid phrase, which is ripe for simpletons to misrepresent to fellow simpletons.

The programme is about reallocating resources so that the right professions receive the resources they need to alleviate problems in society that shouldn’t need police intervention.

Right. Why is it so hard for people to understand things or just debate honestly without taking everything to ridiculous straw man extremes.
It's like 2nd amendment debates:

"Maybe we should stop people getting really powerful g..."
"THEY WANT TO TAKE ALL OUR GUNS AWAY!!!!

:doh:

Almost every fucking online debate goes like this.

[Xhaka Can’t]

From my cold dead hands!

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGJxhMMvjYU

[Xhaka Can’t]

The Simpsons used to be so good.

Just like Wenger.

[The Wengerbabies]

Lol at the error page on donaldjtrump.com

https://i.ibb.co/Wfb7Q6j/Screenshot-from-2020-08-04-15-00-17.png

[Letters]

:lol:

I'll be fair, that's quite good.

[GP]

:lol:

Irony not one of his strong points.

[Xhaka Can’t]

It’s long, but if you’re a big fan of car crashes, boy you’re in for a treat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY

[GP]

It’s long, but if you’re a big fan of car crashes, boy you’re in for a treat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY

It's hard to watch. He hasn't got the first clue what he's talking about.

I can't tell if he's lying or if he really thinks he's done a good job. It's scary either way.

[Xhaka Can’t]

It’s Obama’s fault!

When Trump took over there was no test for this virus.