Clown World thread: for all the non-thread worthy bullshit going on in today's brave new world

[The Wengerbabies]

Norway makes Santa gay


Santa Claus enjoys some much needed time off in a new TV ad for Norway's postal service, Posten. The four-minute clip, called "When Harry Met Santa," depicts the jolly guy fall for a man who looks forward to seeing him every year. Santa watches Harry sleep, enjoys a beverage with him and jokes around with this man that he only sees annually. Harry, meanwhile, is heartbroken that he must wait so long in between visits. At the end, Santa tells Harry, "Well, I arranged some help this year, so I can be with you," and then the two kiss. The spot marks the 50th anniversary of the country decriminalizing homosexuality, as viewers are told by text during the final seconds of the ad, which had more than 27,000 views in the first day it was posted.

"Posten is an inclusive workplace with great diversity, and we would like to celebrate the 50th anniversary with this fine love story," Posten marketing director Monica Solberg told LGBTQ Nation via Pink News. "As always, the main goal of the campaign is to show that Norway Post never stops renewing itself. In addition to showing the flexibility of our services, we want to put it in a socially relevant setting, with themes that are important for the society around us and for us at Norway Post. There will certainly be some negative reactions from some environments, but we are prepared to deal with that. The right to love whoever you want is a fundamental human right, and is not considered a political issue in free democratic societies in 2021. Norway Post has connected people for 375 years, and will continue to do so regardless of orientation or gender identity."


https://www.towleroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Screen-Shot-2021-11-23-at-9.08.02-AM-1.png


https://abuwjaawap.cloudimg.io/v7/_lgbtqnation-assets_/assets/2021/11/norway-santa.png?&auto=format&auto=compress&crop=faces&fit=crop&gravity=face&w=790&h=530

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/santa-finds-gay-love-in-heartwarming-new-holiday-ad-in-norway-204356039.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADuQ1hl9VWTYHSq0Pf35MnvXzHNU CnEsSQgXNLzdZ9_MfYjNB2C0---t4CBCBLR3XC66luLgNUYIxuoNeVHsKh115K44uocIvHKvq8Fal arXcZRuJ1MZz8FwlLLpf9zT2ON97eHpMgsjyzWl5Pw9nQ0wldC qwAInYaGbiOidSA-z


https://youtu.be/nDLumk_rQQw

[Letters]

I had a message on LinkedIn today where the person suffixed her name with (she/her). I assume her organisation has asked people to declare their preferred pronouns or something? :rolleyes:

[GP]

What's wrong with that?

[Niall_Quinn]

What's wrong with that?

Careful, he'll probably think you are joking.

[Niall_Quinn]

But, to answer your question, I don't think kids want to picture Santa as this guy who sticks his dick up some hairy anus, packs shit and spreads disease. They are more focused on the presents if you ask me. Of course I could be wrong. Maybe kids do want to know the sexual preferences of Santa, at least in the diseased minds of sick leftie woke weirdos.

[Mac76]

I had a message on LinkedIn today where the person suffixed her name with (she/her). I assume her organisation has asked people to declare their preferred pronouns or something? :rolleyes:

That's been going on for ages, IK it looks like "political correctness gone mad" but i'm told it's at least partly to do with people from abroad not getting it wrong re spmeone's gender as they're not to know whether a name is a man's or a woman's

E.g. someone might think 'Niall' is female or trans or something...

[LDG]

But, to answer your question, I don't think kids want to picture Santa as this guy who sticks his dick up some hairy anus, packs shit and spreads disease. They are more focused on the presents if you ask me. Of course I could be wrong. Maybe kids do want to know the sexual preferences of Santa, at least in the diseased minds of sick leftie woke weirdos.

Santa is also black

[Letters]

Santa is also black

I think that’s Jesus, you’re thinking of.

[LDG]

I think that’s Jesus, you’re thinking of.

My 5 yr old lad said to me at breakfast the other day “if you hear me thinking out loud, I’m either talking to God or Santa” :lol:

[The Wengerbabies]

I think that’s Jesus, you’re thinking of.

Speaking of which

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/11/1862/1048/89770446-floyd-thumb.jpg

https://www.foxnews.com/us/catholic-university-painting-depicting-george-floyd-as-jesus-is-heretical-blasphemous-student-says

[Xhaka Can’t]

Santa was pretty old when I was a kid, surely her/she’s retired now.

[Letters]

My 5 yr old lad said to me at breakfast the other day “if you hear me thinking out loud, I’m either talking to God or Santa” :lol:

:lol:

[Letters]

Santa was pretty old when I was a kid, surely her/she’s retired now.

Tsk. It’s like you’ve never seen the Santa Clause documentaries.

[Globalgunner]

Santa is also black

Err.... No we are not claiming him. He`s all yours. No chimneys in Africa so no way for him to get in anyways

[Xhaka Can’t]

When we moved to Canada, the first thing I noticed about our new gaff was, no fucking chimney.

I was inconsolable until Christmas morning when there was a Raleigh Chopper in my living room.

That bike was dangerous as fuck without icy conditions. I nearly didn’t make it past 7 am on my first Christmas in Canada.

[LDG]

Santa was pretty old when I was a kid, surely her/she’s retired now.

I fuckin wish

[Xhaka Can’t]

I fuckin wish

:haha:

I remember when my son was 5. He was at my work playscheme over Christmas. Som bitch of an older girl told him Santa didn’t exist, and that his parents bought his presents.

When he asked me if this was true, I asked him if he seriously thought we could afford all those presents. He took one look at me and laughed.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYj9k2oa680

[Niall_Quinn]

Well I loathe the Chinese (see how polite I can be?) communist party for sure. Utter cunts for every reason all communists have been utter cunts in the past. But I do wonder why the commie cunts from Washington are sending their windup puppet to Taiwan at a time when tensions are so high? It's provocative, on the surface. Like an argument over Alaska where a nation thousands of miles away is butted up against Canada, the nation next door. If Canada is saying, leave it alone, why is the nation from thousands of miles away sticking an oar in?

Especially seeing as the CCP and the United Nation are fucking and planning on having babies.

So it's another theatre production then?

Seen it, so many times. BORING.

What else is going on, that "they"* don't want us to pay attention to?

* Yes, "they" are real, despite the slaves who voluntarily agree to pretend otherwise. For no pay. Mostly.

Could it be Agenda 2030 - which is primarily directed by the CCP? Nothing to see.

[The Wengerbabies]

Too many white men in the British military

RAF 'pauses job offers for white men' to meet 'impossible' diversity targets

https://news.sky.com/story/raf-pauses-job-offers-for-white-men-to-meet-impossible-diversity-targets-12674409

[Letters]

Loathe as I am to agree with you about anything, diversity targets are bullshit.
They were talking about that at work, quotas in the Senior Leadership Team. I call bullshit on that.
Positive discrimination is an oxymoron.
Don’t give me the job because I’m the white heterosexual male, but don’t deny me it because of that either. Give the job to the best person for it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Too many white men in the British military

RAF 'pauses job offers for white men' to meet 'impossible' diversity targets

https://news.sky.com/story/raf-pauses-job-offers-for-white-men-to-meet-impossible-diversity-targets-12674409

Of course if Sky "News" was concerned in any way with real journalism (which it is not), it would verify the following (using two on the record sources) before releasing this latest piece of propaganda.

"There is no pause in Royal Air Force recruitment and no new policy with regards to meeting in-year recruitment requirements,"

Always ask yourself what the purpose of the latest piece of propaganda from the fake news media might be.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ZA1IS1Jt8

[Letters]

Everyone is a hypocrite with regards to this to some degree.
IMO the changes need to come at governmental level if it's going to make a real difference. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't take any personal action.
But yeah, I'm not going to stop going on holiday or start walking everywhere. It's just not practical and, frankly, like most people I like the convenience and comfort.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Everyone is a hypocrite with regards to this to some degree.
IMO the changes need to come at governmental level if it's going to make a real difference. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't take any personal action.
But yeah, I'm not going to stop going on holiday or start walking everywhere. It's just not practical and, frankly, like most people I like the convenience and comfort.

I hear they are making environmentally sustainable jet packs

[Letters]

I hear they are making environmentally sustainable jet packs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDIojhOkV4w

[Mac76]

Everyone is a hypocrite with regards to this to some degree.
IMO the changes need to come at governmental level if it's going to make a real difference. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't take any personal action.
But yeah, I'm not going to stop going on holiday or start walking everywhere. It's just not practical and, frankly, like most people I like the convenience and comfort.

...a convenience and comfort that will no longer be there once it really kicks in and we start to see water, power and food shortages kick in, plus there won't be anywhere worth flying going to because it affects everywhere

you can go on holiday in this (admittedly increasingly shite) country

yes the real change is needed at government level but I know so many people who claim to care about climate change and yet the next minute it's "oh i popped over to [insert name of country they flew to here] for the weekend" etc - it's got to stop - I haven't flown for eight years

also everyone needs to eat less meat - i'm not vege or vegan but increasingly go for those options when eating (in or out) - and actually discovering in doing so that meat is far from essential for a really good meal, plus i enjoy meat all the more when i do eat it

[Letters]

You are right. I certainly agree about the meat thing, we should eat less for our health as much as for the climate.
But having made work trips to China and India it is tempting to think "oh what's the bloody point?!". Unless they get their act together, and the US too while we're here, it does feel futile.

[GP]

Warmists :rolleyes:

[The Wengerbabies]

...a convenience and comfort that will no longer be there once it really kicks in and we start to see water, power and food shortages kick in, plus there won't be anywhere worth flying going to because it affects everywhere

you can go on holiday in this (admittedly increasingly shite) country

yes the real change is needed at government level but I know so many people who claim to care about climate change and yet the next minute it's "oh i popped over to [insert name of country they flew to here] for the weekend" etc - it's got to stop - I haven't flown for eight years

also everyone needs to eat less meat - i'm not vege or vegan but increasingly go for those options when eating (in or out) - and actually discovering in doing so that meat is far from essential for a really good meal, plus i enjoy meat all the more when i do eat it
No.

[WMUG]

Everyone is a hypocrite with regards to this to some degree.
IMO the changes need to come at governmental level if it's going to make a real difference. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't take any personal action.
But yeah, I'm not going to stop going on holiday or start walking everywhere. It's just not practical and, frankly, like most people I like the convenience and comfort.

Would cycling be convenient for you?

[Letters]

Would cycling be convenient for you?

I can't ride a bike :lol:
So no, not really.
We don't actually drive that much tbf. But if we're going to see my in-laws then it's obviously a lot quicker and easier to drive for an hour or so rather than carting two kids into London on a train and then back out to MK, especially with all the nonsense you have to cart around with 2 kids.

My personal carbon footprint isn't that big in the grand scheme of things. It could certainly be smaller, but when you've got India, China and the US rodgering the planet for all it's worth it does feel like efforts in the UK aren't going to move the dial that much. There needs to be a co-ordinated global effort to do this and there just...isn't.

[WMUG]

I can't ride a bike :lol:


That does tend to be an issue, in my experience.

[HCZ_Reborn]

If they want people to use cars and planes less, they need to improve transport infrastructure. High speed rail etc

[The Wengerbabies]

I ordered something today, the delivery options were@
Standard £4.99
Next Day £7.99
Next Day Carbon Neutral £9.99

What kind of eco-loon actually selects the "carbon neutral" option, I guarantee it comes in the same van.

Not sure what is the bigger scam, covid or climate change. Covid came out of nowhere and was intense for 2 years, then just disappeared (not before injecting 80% of people with god knows what), whereas this has been a slow burner and is not as in your face, though they are ramping up and it's not going to end any time soon.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiF0ZgdB_fM

How did that work out?

[The Wengerbabies]

New Zealand taxing the burps and farts of cattle


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9QeC7i7Lg

[Letters]

Covid came out of nowhere and was intense for 2 years, then just disappeared
So did Spanish Flu. That's how these sorts of things tend to go. Was that some conspiracy too?
How is climate change a "scam"? The climate has clearly changed in my lifetime, I don't need a scientist to tell me that, I remember how much colder it used to get in winter.

[The Wengerbabies]

So did Spanish Flu. That's how these sorts of things tend to go. Was that some conspiracy too?
How is climate change a "scam"? The climate has clearly changed in my lifetime, I don't need a scientist to tell me that, I remember how much colder it used to get in winter.

It's not climate change itself that is a scam, its all the "solutions".

[Letters]

It's not climate change itself that is a scam, its all the "solutions".

Interesting.
That's not such an unreasonable position tbf.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I have Covid right now.

It isn’t fucking pleasant, but I’ll live through it. All I hope for is for it not to lead to complications that arose following the first bout. After that, I lost a significant amount of weight inexplicably. Turns out that the Covid potentially led to type 1 diabetes. As my family has a history of diabetes, I was regularly tested. I went from no sign of diabetes to almost getting hospitalised for it.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Oh, and £2 to offset climate change - expect future litigation for this nonsense.

[The Wengerbabies]

I have Covid right now.

It isn’t fucking pleasant, but I’ll live through it. All I hope for is for it not to lead to complications that arose following the first bout. After that, I lost a significant amount of weight inexplicably. Turns out that the Covid potentially led to type 1 diabetes. As my family has a history of diabetes, I was regularly tested. I went from no sign of diabetes to almost getting hospitalised for it.


Should have got vaccinated...

[Xhaka Can’t]

Should have got vaccinated...

That’s how you type, “I’m a cunt” without typing “I’m a cunt”.

[Mac76]

Hope u get through it soon XC

[Letters]

Should have got vaccinated...

I also don’t understand how vaccines work.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I also don’t understand how vaccines work.

The belief with most Vaccines is that they confer immunity and stop transition. This one doesn’t seem particularly effective at either, and of course it’s responsible for every single person who has died in the last eighteen month :haha:

Basically all it seems to have done is made it so the body knows what it’s dealing with so if you do get Covid you’re less likely to feel unpleasant. I had Covid beginning of the year and yeah mild cold/flu symptoms for about a day and feeling a little tired for a few days

I think it’s largely become like the seasonal flu shots, there to deal with what’s considered the most likely strain and really for the most vulnerable.

Households where people are immuno compromised and those over 70 will get it just before the winter months set in.

Conspiracy theorists outside of the hardened Anti Vaxxers who existed long before a Chinese man decided he wanted Bat Stew for lunch (or more likely a gain of function engineered virus created in Wuhan labs which was accidentally leaked as a result of careless containment procedures) will move on and centre on the fourth reich in Ukraine, how Democrats stole the mid term elections and how man made climate change is a myth intended to make mega bucks for huge corporations (apart from of course the petroleum companies)

Something about globalist Jews thrown in as well

[The Wengerbabies]

I also don’t understand how vaccines work.

Guess it depends if you go with the original definition(s) of vaccination or the recently retconned definition

https://i.ibb.co/NnbhmZQ/vaxdef.png

[Letters]

Guess it depends if you go with the original definition(s) of vaccination or the recently retconned definition

You keep banging on about these new types of vaccine being "experimental".
And now you're confused that a new type of vaccine which works in a different way might mean the definition of what a vaccine is has to be tweaked? :blink:
The Covid vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting Covid, it simply prepares the body so that if you do catch it you're less likely to become seriously ill.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11670803/Transgender-woman-guilty-raping-two-women-man.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/24/19/66879673-11670803-Isla_Bryson_31_pictured_preyed_on_vulnerable_women _and_was_convi-a-27_1674588477756.jpg

Sturgeon :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11670803/Transgender-woman-guilty-raping-two-women-man.html

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/24/19/66879673-11670803-Isla_Bryson_31_pictured_preyed_on_vulnerable_women _and_was_convi-a-27_1674588477756.jpg

Sturgeon :bow:

Michelle Obama is WHITE NOW!!!!!???

[Niall_Quinn]

Literally an ugly cunt.

[Mac76]

Can we rename this the 'Gammon thread', just so anyone who's not white-supremacist and anti-truth can avoid it?

[Niall_Quinn]

Can we rename this the 'Gammon thread', just so anyone who's not white-supremacist and anti-truth can avoid it?

The irony. "Gammon"?

Seems like you are in the right thread, by your own definition.

You take stupid to a whole new level.

[Niall_Quinn]

Or was it because your wank material was dissed? It's okay, I'm sure you can still whack one out for Micheal. Just rub harder. Furiously.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11684997/Read-killer-born-man-woman-identifies-BABY.html

[The Wengerbabies]

New ambassador for Nike women

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs-Qie3WAAAkFcx?format=jpg&name=large

[Letters]

I've no idea who that is
(although Google told me)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IU0ZXjdUVs

[The Wengerbabies]

I've no idea who that is
(although Google told me)

https://media.tenor.com/16c_MDpEk5oAAAAd/austin-powers-its-a-man-man.gif

[HCZ_Reborn]

New ambassador for Nike women

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fs-Qie3WAAAkFcx?format=jpg&name=large

What I find hilarious is not only is Nike trolling women (actual women) but they are using someone who is unhealthy (and not just mentally) to promote their brand. Dylan has the BMI of someone with Anorexia, and all these idiots that are part of the “stunning and brave” crowd don’t seem to realise they are tacitly supporting someone’s slow suicide attempt

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-65471314

:ninja:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-65471314

:ninja:

I know that pub, it’s about five minutes from where my mate lives. Never wanted to go there because it looked like a dive from the outside.

I knew about the Golliwogs about a year or so ago, because it was big local news at the time. My attitude is that why on earth would you stick those things on your bar shelf, but the police coming round to take them was overreach in a town beset with drug crime it creates the wrong impression about policing priorities

But…no sympathy for them going out of business, their suppliers were never going to touch them when this got to national level coverage, and whilst owning a Golliwog isn’t in of itself racist (though at the very least questionable to have it on display) the guys comments about lynching on facebooks and his wife’s comments which I came about via Google review about them having all kinds of “coloureds” as customers suggest they are a pair of morons.

[Letters]

Oh they're definitely morons. And at some level I don't have much sympathy.
But the "old man yells at cloud" part of me thinks this is all a bit of a silly overreaction.
If they want to display golliwogs on the counter then is that inherently racist? I guess it's in the same ballpark as black face, so maybe.
As you get older more things which just seemed normal when you were young are now wrong (and vice versa, apparently the gays are allowed to bum now).
It's hard to keep track :lol:

[Mac76]

the question is, if a black family walked into that pub would they feel offended and/or not welcome? i suspect they well might so that's basically it right there, ok so all kinds of things 'cause offence' to different people and a lot of it's BS, but racial offence is pretty fundamental, gollywogs are part of a whole colonialist culture that encompassed discrimination and slavery

My family used to have a whole load of those gollywog musician figures you got with Robinson's marmalade - they're not at my house but if they were I wouldn't have them on display, as i have black friends and it might offend them, it's that simple

[Letters]

Offence is, of course, subjective. You don't have a right to walk around not being offended. Some people it feels go out of their way to be offended. But I don't think people should go out of their way to be offensive either and if these are seen as a racist symbol of oppression then I guess by that metric it was pretty stupid thing to do.

Fiver says they voted for Brexit.

[GP]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-65471314

:ninja:

Gosh

[Letters]

While we are here :lol:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22216797/martin-tyler-tottenham-son/amp/

Everyone’s a rittle bit lacist

[HCZ_Reborn]

the question is, if a black family walked into that pub would they feel offended and/or not welcome? i suspect they well might so that's basically it right there, ok so all kinds of things 'cause offence' to different people and a lot of it's BS, but racial offence is pretty fundamental, gollywogs are part of a whole colonialist culture that encompassed discrimination and slavery

My family used to have a whole load of those gollywog musician figures you got with Robinson's marmalade - they're not at my house but if they were I wouldn't have them on display, as i have black friends and it might offend them, it's that simple

That and some of the Golliwogs were shown hanging by the neck

I don’t think the display should be illegal, simply because I don’t think anything that causes offence should be illegal. But I think for suppliers, customers etc to boycott the place is all pretty fair.

I do think you are essentially making black customers feel unwelcome, Golliwogs are racist they are pejorative caricatures. But if you want to put yourself out of business for being so stupid as to put them on display and let people know exactly what kind of people you are…then you should be free to do so

[HCZ_Reborn]

While we are here :lol:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22216797/martin-tyler-tottenham-son/amp/

Everyone’s a rittle bit lacist

See that’s just ridiculous

It’s hardly like old Claude calling him DVD (I had to have a mate explain to me what that was about)

But Martial arts originate from south east Asia and if the nasty little fucker does a karate chop on someone why would you avoid the comparison.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Offence is, of course, subjective. You don't have a right to walk around not being offended. Some people it feels go out of their way to be offended. But I don't think people should go out of their way to be offensive either and if these are seen as a racist symbol of oppression then I guess by that metric it was pretty stupid thing to do.

Fiver says they voted for Brexit.


It’s Grays, you would be hard pressed to find anyone who didn’t vote for Brexit. Same all over Essex really. But then I tire of the shit talked about people who voted leave over the past six years from being racist to being thick…by smug, middle class cunts who are still crying into their croissants that the fantasy Britain they imagined encapsulated by Danny Boyle’s Olympic opening ceremony didn’t actually exist.
I voted Remain out of a sense of economic conservatism, and I didn’t factor in the amount of people so pissed off with the status quo that offered a chance to stick one in the eye of the establishment they did so. And by establishment I mean cultural establishment that lecture and finger wags at people.
It’s what caused that narcissist shaved troll doll Trump to get elected.

The hubris and tin earred smugness shown by these people is astounding, they’ve learned nothing

[Letters]

It’s surely a fact though that while not everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist thicko, all the racist thickos voted for Brexit.

But yes, the whole Remain campaign was a mash up of “you’re an idiot if you vote for Brexit” and “the sky will fall in if you do”. It wasn’t great. But the Leave campaign’s lies about the shining Utopia we’d be walking into if we left the EU wasn’t great either.

In general the level of political discourse is lamentably poor.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It’s surely a fact though that while not everyone who voted for Brexit was a racist thicko, all the racist thickos voted for Brexit.

But yes, the whole Remain campaign was a mash up of “you’re an idiot if you vote for Brexit” and “the sky will fall in if you do”. It wasn’t great. But the Leave campaign’s lies about the shining Utopia we’d be walking into if we left the EU wasn’t great either.

In general the level of political discourse is lamentably poor.


The point is unless you’re doing guilt by association it shouldn’t be relevant.

The fact of the matter is most people don’t see themselves as European, we feel ourselves more culturally connected to the Anglosphere.

The people who harp on about racist Britain seem to show an astounding ignorance over the continent they beatify. Where far right parties actually do gain electoral traction.

The Spanish who think it’s fine to black up, The Germans who despite their shameful history still look upon non whites with a kind of paternalistic incredulity (ask any second generation Turk what it was like to live in Germany). And that’s before you get to the naked racism of the former eastern bloc.

I think Orwell’s Road to Wigan Pier is just as instructive about middle class liberals as it is middle class socialists.

[FootieJohn909]

Maybe one day you will see what's wrong with it. Then it will be too late

[HCZ_Reborn]

Maybe one day you will see what's wrong with it. Then it will be too late

Maybe. Of course I’d have to actually know what the it is you’re referring to

[FootieJohn909]

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[The Wengerbabies]

Author comes out as transgender man after his wife came out as trans woman - and pair, who have a trans daughter, now live in a four-way open relationship with their trans lovers


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12694447/Author-comes-transgender-man-wife-came-trans-woman-pair-trans-daughter-live-four-way-relationship-trans-lovers.html

Stunning and brave

[The Wengerbabies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GImw3h4W4AAtxgP?format=png&name=small

[The Wengerbabies]

https://i.ibb.co/qygYKZj/image0-20.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/cTrCf1w/fghfghfgh.jpg

[Letters]

I guess if it upsets the racists then it’s a good thing

[HCZ_Reborn]

I guess if it upsets the racists then it’s a good thing

I imagine if I was an ethnic minority, this “right on” diversity stuff would actually immensely irritate me because I’d feel like I was being patronised. Given I’m not, whilst I find it cringe I find the reactions to it bemoaning existential threat to white civilisation horribly histrionic.

I think the way we fixate on race (and let’s be fair by race we largely mean skin colour) to be utterly counter-productive. And whilst racism exists, there is something unhealthy about the way it’s addressed. You’d think the Sewell commission on Racial and Ethnic disparities would be a cause for celebration. That actually in Britain the inequality is economic/class based rather than racial/ethnic…that things could be better but by and large your skin colour doesn’t hold you back.

But no because it didn’t confirm the pre-existing narrative its called a whitewash, even going to the point of accusing Tony Sewell of internalised racism. This is the problem with the philosophical underpinning of anti racism etc, there’s no sense of things ever having gotten better from the time of genuine prideful bigotry and it’s a holding pattern of resentment. To the point where even the aspiration of a colour blind society is considered racist.

It’s not an excuse, but it’s this kind of attitude that encourages idiots down the rabbit hole towards viewing the prevalence of black people on television as a sign of the Great Replacement coming to fruition.



Basically why can’t both these people fuck off and die.

[The Wengerbabies]

I guess if it upsets the racists then it’s a good thing

It's just obvious virtue signalling. I'm not a racist but it's pathetic.

[The Wengerbabies]

It’s not an excuse, but it’s this kind of attitude that encourages idiots down the rabbit hole towards viewing the prevalence of black people on television as a sign of the Great Replacement coming to fruition.



This is more of a sign that it's coming to fruition

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIy8nL2X0AANFYp?format=jpg&name=medium

[HCZ_Reborn]

It's just obvious virtue signalling. I'm not a racist but it's pathetic.

I’m not a Racist but?

There might be legitimate grounds to think you were racist if it wasn’t for the strong suspicion I have that most of what you say is done purely to get a reaction out of people.

[WMUG]

I’m not a Racist but?

There might be legitimate grounds to think you were racist if it wasn’t for the strong suspicion I have that most of what you say is done purely to get a reaction out of people.

Distinction without a difference there.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Distinction without a difference there.


I think there is a difference qualitatively between saying racist things and being a racist

It’s not a moral distinction, it’s just one in fact. Some people can just be arseholes and like to be offensive for the sake of it.

Some people genuinely buy into certain beliefs about racial superiority. Hitler wasn’t trolling, he genuinely bought into the idea of racial hygiene - and that because Jews are an amalgam race that formed from religion, he saw racial impurity and infection (medicalised terms) and that the Aryans were the only race that had not allowed itself to be polluted by miscegenation.

Does this guy genuinely think himself superior to people of different skin colour, or like with the conspiracy tropes is it just a way of getting a reaction from people?

[Letters]

Hitler wasn’t trolling,
:lol:

That's an excellent phrase.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4n3gS_Mb1w/?igsh=aGZnNmlqMDAxMHVi


Speaking of Racism

[Letters]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/i-asked-trans-girlfriend-hide-32491130

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/i-asked-trans-girlfriend-hide-32491130

I love how the reporting ties itself up in knots over pronouns

This feels very much like a I don’t want to tell my mum I’m gay story, rebranded for the 2020s

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/i-asked-trans-girlfriend-hide-32491130

Why do you even read shit like that? What's wrong with you?

[Niall_Quinn]

I think there is a difference qualitatively between saying racist things and being a racist

It’s not a moral distinction, it’s just one in fact. Some people can just be arseholes and like to be offensive for the sake of it.

Some people genuinely buy into certain beliefs about racial superiority. Hitler wasn’t trolling, he genuinely bought into the idea of racial hygiene - and that because Jews are an amalgam race that formed from religion, he saw racial impurity and infection (medicalised terms) and that the Aryans were the only race that had not allowed itself to be polluted by miscegenation.

Does this guy genuinely think himself superior to people of different skin colour, or like with the conspiracy tropes is it just a way of getting a reaction from people?

Hitler was a politician. Enough said. No different to the rest of them. He said whatever it took to maintain power, and he did the same. He's earmarked because we fought him in a war. Otherwise he'd just be Saddam Hussein - before we fought him in a war. Our man in Germany. When he failed to become our man then he was Godwin's Law. ALL politicians see themselves as superior. They make decisions and then pass those decision upon living, breathing, human beings. As if they have the first fucking clue about the people they are passing their self-serving laws upon. It's all a scam and has always been a scam. The King is dead, long live the King in a different cloak. Cast your vote for whoever is already decided. Then piss off for 5 years and if we end up gassing 6 million Jews or vaporising 2 million Iraqis then see you in 5 years. Nothing wrong with Hitler, as far as politicians go. He was mainstream. American, British and Dutch banks loved him. Time Magazine fawned over him. Swell guy and all that, especially if you were part of the eugenics movement that was founded in America. Well, then the dude went a bit too far. Now he's Michael Myers. Cautionary tales.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVFbcwBXoAAc_vY?format=jpg&name=large

[Niall_Quinn]

It's "The Science" dude. Actual science is soooooo 2020 (and every year before that)

Marxists don't need science and cowards won't stand up to marxists.

Listen to their silence.

But if you said modern pop singers can't sing without autotune, they'd be right here, making a case.

[The Wengerbabies]

It's "The Science" dude. Actual science is soooooo 2020 (and every year before that)

Marxists don't need science and cowards won't stand up to marxists.

Listen to their silence.

But if you said modern pop singers can't sing without autotune, they'd be right here, making a case.

But what about pregnant post-menopausal men? I'm triggered by this.

[Niall_Quinn]

But what about pregnant post-menopausal men? I'm triggered by this.

Apart from them, my point still stands. And blokes in women boxing. And shit like that. All those hairy individuals who are definitely women, I 100% support them and expect you to reward my virtue signalling - send money, I suppose, or at least clicks. Definitely don't be ragging on me because you are having a a baby with your male womb. Congrats by the way. If it's a boy what are you going to call it? Mohammed?

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po

:lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t think that’s anything to laugh about, this judge has set a precedent in Australia that the feelings of a middle aged man who decided he was a woman back in 2017, not only that but has given himself the most cheap and vulgar name. Is more important than that of actual women

The judge has unilaterally decided to turn his back on science and claim that sex is changeable.

I bet if you offered this person a trans space within the site, he’d get angry because we are not validating him as a woman

This is one of the key reasons I turned my back on the left, the utter moral confusion of what it deems progressive. I’m no feminist, but the reason sports, changing rooms, loos and the prison estate are segregated is to promote safety for women. And all you get with changing rooms is the glib argument that well there’s nothing stopping men from using women’s loos and changing rooms already.

And this is before you get to the dystopia of sending children down an irreversible medical pathway, and determining that simply discussing why they feel the way they do in therapy is an attempt at conversion.


But apparently that makes me a transphobe and a bigot to say this. If people genuinely think they will be happier living as though they were the opposite sex all power to them, they deserve not to be harassed, ridiculed or face discrimination either in the work place, health care or anything like that. When they demand that they are indistinguishable regardless of whether they’ve had any treatment or just “socially transition” then there’s a problem.

Could go on about the sad tragedy that is Trans men, but frankly they in the main just have my sympathy because they aren’t encroaching on other people’s space.

[Letters]

I don’t think that’s anything to laugh about
I was laughing at the absurdity of it all.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I was laughing at the absurdity of it all.

I’m not really having a dig at you, just the whole thing upsets me. Fuck knows how the average woman feels. Well the average woman I’ve spoken to, doesn’t feel comfortable sharing their spaces with the Roxy Tickles of this world, and get fed up of being bullied into staying quiet about it.

I feel I’m being gaslit by these people “Oh trans people just want to be able to live their lives”. No what you want is to use the law to force people to validate your identity.


Apparently he claimed he didn’t feel comfortable in the male changing rooms? Does he assume any of us do? Always some middle aged guy standing bollock naked….put it away mate.

[Letters]

Well the average woman I’ve spoken to, doesn’t feel comfortable sharing their spaces with the Roxy Tickles of this world, and get fed up of being bullied into staying quiet about it.
Is there really an avalanche of perverted men who are putting on wigs and claiming they identify as a woman to access women's changing rooms?
I'm not saying it's never happened but I'd suggest it's pretty rare, maybe even vanishingly so.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Is there really an avalanche of perverted men who are putting on wigs and claiming they identify as a woman to access women's changing rooms?
I'm not saying it's never happened but I'd suggest it's pretty rare, maybe even vanishingly so.


If you’ve got people who openly claim to be Trans when caught committing sexual crimes in order to get access to the female estate in prisons, it’s not a leap to suppose that self ID laws (which currently don’t exist in the uk) would embolden predatory men

This is just two examples of the bat of rapists and paedophiles claiming to be Trans

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-65549530.amp

[HCZ_Reborn]

The problem is we blurred the line between people with gender dysphoria and people with a sexual fetish by making Trans an umbrella under which everyone is welcome. We’ve now made the word transvestite forbidden, and told men who liked to dress up as women for sexual gratification that they were actually women all the time.

Now honestly If a bloke gets a sexual kick out of wearing dresses…that’s up to him, but this doesn’t need to be validated in a public setting to say well you’re just being your genuine self.

There is a term called autogynaephilia where men are aroused at the thought of themselves as women. This is seen as responsible for the rise of so called Trans Lesbians

[Letters]

This is just two examples of the bat of rapists and paedophiles claiming to be Trans
You don't make policy decisions based on examples, you make them based on data.
It's like after that recent crossbow thing. People started calling for a ban on crossbows.
The average number of people killed in crossbow attacks a year: 1 :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

You don't make policy decisions based on examples, you make them based on data.
It's like after that recent crossbow thing. People started calling for a ban on crossbows.
The average number of people killed in crossbow attacks a year: 1 :lol:

My examples (and they aren’t exhaustive) were there to answer your question about whether men would don a wig and a dress in order to get sexual gratification from being in a female space…yes that and more so. The problem with data based decision making is if you believe the data there is a spike in sex crime committed by women…I’ll let you work out what the issue is there

Do you think that statistics of child abuse have to be a certain level before we implement safeguarding procedures to protect children in schools and care homes?

We don’t have a ban on crossbows but I’m pretty sure there are laws that require a licence and for them to only be used in certain places like archery venues.

It would be nice for common sense to apply, such as in women’s support groups for rape and or domestic violence we probably should not have men entering a space for vulnerable women to talk. I don’t think any service that would ask Transwomen not to attend their groups should face discrimination procedures, or the women who are upset by a male presence derided as a bigot.


At the moment, single sex spaces are largely protected by law. But there is a push to encroach on these rights


Whether fully transitioned trans women have the right to use said spaces, you know what….im personally undecided on that

[Letters]

My examples (and they aren’t exhaustive) were there to answer your question about whether men would don a wig and a dress in order to get sexual gratification from being in a female space…

It's a strange response to a post in which I questioned whether there is an "avalanche" of such cases. Literally the post you responded to I said:


I'm not saying it's never happened but I'd suggest it's pretty rare, maybe even vanishingly so.

Obviously you check that claim with data, not examples. I can provide examples of people winning the lottery, lots of examples. But it is still statistically very rare.


The problem with data based decision making is if you believe the data there is a spike in sex crime committed by women…I’ll let you work out what the issue is there
The issue is using data incorrectly, not with making decisions based on data.


Do you think that statistics of child abuse have to be a certain level before we implement safeguarding procedures to protect children in schools and care homes?
No, but the level of safeguarding should be proportionate and appropriate. We have speed limits to try and reduce road deaths, we don't ban everyone from driving because some deaths still occur.


It would be nice for common sense to apply
Common sense is lamentably...uncommon. I'm not saying that anyone who puts on a wig and says they're called Janet should be able to crack on and get their cock out in the ladies' changing room. Is anyone saying that? Someone who has fully transitioned...I'd say it would be weirder for them to be using the men's. Quite where the line is...I don't know. Like I said, I think it's complicated.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It's a strange response to a post in which I questioned whether there is an "avalanche" of such cases. Literally the post you responded to I said:



Obviously you check that claim with data, not examples. I can provide examples of people winning the lottery, lots of examples. But it is still statistically very rare.


The issue is using data incorrectly, not with making decisions based on data.


No, but the level of safeguarding should be proportionate and appropriate. We have speed limits to try and reduce road deaths, we don't ban everyone from driving because some deaths still occur.


Common sense is lamentably...uncommon. I'm not saying that anyone who puts on a wig and says they're called Janet should be able to crack on and get their cock out in the ladies' changing room. Is anyone saying that? Someone who has fully transitioned...I'd say it would be weirder for them to be using the men's. Quite where the line is...I don't know. Like I said, I think it's complicated.


Well my last sentence should in fact negate what you are arguing against, the presumption that I’m
arguing for a blanket ban of all Transwomen from all female spaces.

I agree with you that it’s probably too complicated anyhow, plus there is precedent of fully transitioned M-F using such spaces without issue.

My response is that self ID isn’t the law of the land here therefore the safeguards do kind of exist although that in itself is a grey area. My examples suggested that if we allowed self ID to be the determining factor in whether men could enter all female safe spaces, it’s not hard to imagine these cases being commonplace.


My problem as I stated is when the term Trans becomes nebulous, and there is almost no consistency how such a determination is made. It used to be that someone had to live as a woman for two years before being able to legally change sex but I’m not sure whether that’s the case.

When making decisions it’s not just a case of gathering data (and whilst I in no way stated data shouldn’t be gathered, maybe just can’t singularly be relied on when there’s clear errors in data recording) it’s about doing a cost/benefit analysis.
If someone is sexually assaulted by a man dressed as a woman, and the policy is to record their gender identity as their sex not only does it create the impression that women are going around assaulting other women, it has the potential to provide misleading data to suggest that attacks on women of this nature are vanishingly rare when they actually may not be.

Plus it’s about determining whether the risk to women’s safety real or perceived, more or less important than that of a man who has not attempted to physically transition to be validated.

Safeguarding when it comes to children is less about what is common, and more about correcting past mistakes.

[Letters]

I think the issue here is we're just not as far along the societal conversation with this whole issue as we are with some other things.
The whole homosexuality thing has happened in my lifetime. When I was a kid "gay" was a pejorative and I was born less than a decade after homosexuality was decriminalised.
The idea of gay marriage was unthinkable when I was a kid and "Christian values" were far more entrenched in society.
I don't know where things will or should land with all this. I think most people scoff at the idea that you can just wake up and decide you're an attack helicopter, but I think in real life there's not much of that going on. My overall feeling with all this is it's a psychological issue with a psychological solution.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think the issue here is we're just not as far along the societal conversation with this whole issue as we are with some other things.
The whole homosexuality thing has happened in my lifetime. When I was a kid "gay" was a pejorative and I was born less than a decade after homosexuality was decriminalised.
The idea of gay marriage was unthinkable when I was a kid and "Christian values" were far more entrenched in society.
I don't know where things will or should land with all this. I think most people scoff at the idea that you can just wake up and decide you're an attack helicopter, but I think in real life there's not much of that going on. My overall feeling with all this is it's a psychological issue with a psychological solution.

I think it’s always sensible to make a division between the state of someone thinking that they are trans, and the political ideology that surrounds it. Transsexuals are nothing new, Transvestites have been present throughout all history


I don’t know that much about Gender Dysphoria, I think there’s clearly more to it than a fetish. But I think what we’ve seen recently is social contagion. How many teenagers (especially girls) regard themselves as non binary…now that in of itself is not a problem…it’s teenage experimentation that’s almost certainly less harmful than cutting, and probably is not psychological in the way something like Anorexia and Bulimia nervosa are.

However without wishing to be sidetracked, our lack of curiosity about this has led to what is in essence a medical scandal with children being put on puberty blockers (the medication was only ever intended to be used for immature onset of puberty…like six/seven year olds developing pubic hair…the premature onset of which can have lasting physical harm). And counsellors and medical professionals have been told that anything but unquestioning affirmation of new gender identity is doing that child harm.

I think a lot of effort is made to compare sexuality with gender identity. I think the two don’t share a common frontier. In fact the ideology underpinning gender identity actually undermines the gay and lesbian argument. It’s very hush hush that in Iran forced transitioning happens to gay teenagers because it’s better to have a daughter than a gay son.

As I said in one of my opening gambits, I genuinely think if one wants to live as if they are the opposite sex they are free to do so. I think with children as with adults there needs to be safeguarding for the individual, the type of surgery involved is permanent….it should not be promised to be a solution to all their problems.

I’m not convinced this kind of augmentation surgery is the right approach at all, however I wouldn’t attempt to legislate on it for those old enough to make their own choices, as long as the correct safeguards are in place.

I think women generally are more tolerant and accepting of men, and up to the point of gender ideology coming in…I think the issue of fully physically transitioned Transwomen using female public spaces hasn’t always been an issue.


However what we’ve seen in the last ten years is a very strident point of view, that not only Transwomen can live as women they are women. And when we say Transwoman we mean whoever says they are a woman is a woman.

As I tried to exemplify with the articles I linked to, the obvious safeguarding issues here are clear

But I don’t really take the absolutist approach with how to refer to Transwomen either. Debbie Hayton is someone I respect even though they are targeted by both sides, from being a self hating Transwoman to being a pervert by the more extreme people on the other side. And I think is that necessary, Debbie is open and honest about the reason for their transition…states without hesitation that they are biologically male and has allied herself with a lot of the women’s rights campaign groups

[HCZ_Reborn]

The whole Attack Helicopter thing comes from the idea of there being a thousand different gender identities rather than GD itself. And this has been a prominent social trend, there were identities such as other kin in which people were identifying as animals. This was in of itself in my view a harmless teenage phase (a bit like being a goth) but a lot of the sociological theory underpinning this gender ideology movement did adopt it

The idea is in the rehabilitation of the word Queer which you and I (and certainly NQ) recognise as being a pejorative term towards gay people. Now like you, I’ve been around in a time where gay was common currency as an insult. Been to football matches where the sexuality of footballers was questioned with chants. I did this and I don’t feel ashamed of it, though recognise that times and attitudes change.


Now Queer just means any identity that doesn’t conform with the stereotypical masculine/feminine heterosexual one. And basically any idiot with different colour hair can call themselves queer. This on one hand is ultimately harmless because I tend to be of the “you do you” when it comes to adults. The demand that other people validate this especially in terms of using chosen pronouns is very self absorbed and solipsistic.


This Roxanne Tickle says they find it hurtful that they are not accepted as a woman by everyone…and includes in that getting stares. Well sorry you can’t demand that people don’t look at you, life isn’t fair and even if I take you at your word that you genuinely believe yourself to be a woman….that doesn’t entitle you to demanding that everyone sharing that belief.

And it in fact rather raises the question that if someone needs that kind of unquestioning acceptable the problem is not external but internal. They state that being misgendered by the app owner led them to feeling suicidal, well yeah if that’s genuinely what happened that’s obviously undesirable. But if someone says something to me that makes me feel suicidal, I’d have to say that’s my problem not the problem of the person saying it.


The mantra of Be Kind is often thrust upon us, but in my view Being Kind sometimes means being honest. We can make you superficially appear more like a woman, but we can’t make you into a woman. Both in human kind and in all mammalian species we are sexually dimorphic. You aren’t assigned a sex, you are a sex….and those who are not one or the other are massive outliers

[The Wengerbabies]

https://humanevents.com/2024/10/09/lesbian-commander-of-new-zealand-ship-sinks-100-million-naval-vessel-first-nz-naval-ship-sunk-since-wwii

DEI :bow:

[Letters]

“British lesbian”

:haha:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://humanevents.com/2024/10/09/lesbian-commander-of-new-zealand-ship-sinks-100-million-naval-vessel-first-nz-naval-ship-sunk-since-wwii

DEI :bow:

Scissor me Timbers

[Letters]

Scissor me Timbers

:haha:

[IBK]

Scissor me Timbers

:haha:

[WMUG]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/how_it_works.png

This comes to mind.

[Mac76]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/how_it_works.png

This comes to mind.

indeed

[The Wengerbabies]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/how_it_works.png

This comes to mind.

Whisper it but men and women are different and have different strengths.