Everton vs Arsenal 17.09.2023 KO: 16:30

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t why but we’ve had a real nightmare getting results at this ground recently, we’ve only scored twice in the last five games at Goodison Park. Despite Everton being to all intents and purposes, a championship side.

I’m going to be honest I don’t expect things to change on Sunday, I don’t think we will lose but I don’t think we will win either. I can see a rather turgid 0-0 or 1-1 game.

[IBK]

I don’t why but we’ve had a real nightmare getting results at this ground recently, we’ve only scored twice in the last five games at Goodison Park. Despite Everton being to all intents and purposes, a championship side.

I’m going to be honest I don’t expect things to change on Sunday, I don’t think we will lose but I don’t think we will win either. I can see a rather turgid 0-0 or 1-1 game.

Nah - we got this. Hope Havertz has a good game - cos I don't see him being dropped for this one.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Nah - we got this. Hope Havertz has a good game - cos I don't see him being dropped for this one.

Nah we don’t got this, we’ve lost this fixture every time we’ve played there under Arteta

I think I’m being generous by saying will be a draw.

[Marc Overmars]

Neverton are an awful team but that hasn’t stopped us losing here every season. Just a weird bogey ground that we need to banish.

I’ll say this will be another narrow game but with us just edging it 1-2.

[HCZ_Reborn]

My team to play Everton

Ramsdale, Kiwior, Gabriel, Saliba, Tomoyasu, Jorginho, Vieira, Trossard, Nelson, Nketiah and Jesus


No Zinchenko, White, Rice, Havertz, Odegaard, Saka or Martinelli in starting XI.

[Marc Overmars]

My team to play Everton

Ramsdale, Kiwior, Gabriel, Saliba, Tomoyasu, Jorginho, Vieira, Trossard, Nelson, Nketiah and Jesus


No Zinchenko, White, Rice, Havertz, Odegaard, Saka or Martinelli in starting XI.

They will all start. :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

They will all start. :lol:

Yep

[GP]

0-3

[Mac76]

My team to play Everton

Ramsdale, Kiwior, Gabriel, Saliba, Tomoyasu, Jorginho, Vieira, Trossard, Nelson, Nketiah and Jesus


No Zinchenko, White, Rice, Havertz, Odegaard, Saka or Martinelli in starting XI.

At least you got the teams the right way round this time ;)

Not sure who you're playing where with some of that, but I get where you are going with that lineup - I hate Dyke with a passion but he totally has the number of a naive idiot like Arteta and the only way we have a ghost of a chance of winning is to play a more different, hungry, gritty team (or as much as we have one)

But much as I like Jesus he is wrong for this game, plus Rice will give us more resilience, so for me you have him in left 8 with Vieira in the Odegaard role

[Mac76]

Oh and 3-0 Calvert-Lewin hatter

[HCZ_Reborn]

At least you got the teams the right way round this time ;)

Not sure who you're playing where with some of that, but I get where you are going with that lineup - I hate Dyke with a passion but he totally has the number of a naive idiot like Arteta and the only way we have a ghost of a chance of winning is to play a more different, hungry, gritty team (or as much as we have one)

But much as I like Jesus he is wrong for this game, plus Rice will give us more resilience, so for me you have him in left 8 with Vieira in the Odegaard role


Why would you have someone who can’t pass the ball well in the no8 role?

Jesus would be playing wide right, and with Everton playing a deep block defensively potential takes a lot of players out of the game and lays the ball on for Edward or Trossard plus a hard worker like Nelson who will be persistent in winning the ball back high up the pitch.

Jorginho can pass the ball therefore he plays instead of Rice

[The Wengerbabies]

Fuck this bogey team. Must win!

Is Partey still out?

Ramsdale, White, Saliba. Gabriel, Zinchenko, Partey, Rice, Odegaard, Saka, Jesus, Martinelli

[HCZ_Reborn]

So last time we won at Goodison Park was 22nd October 2017. Not a single player from that team or on the bench is still with us.

For Everton four of their XI lineup are still at the club - Pickford, Keane, Gueye and Calvert-Lewin


The last time we got a point from Goodison Park was the 21st December 2019

Four players in the squad are still at the club - Saka, Martinelli, Nelson and Smith Rowe


Only three players in the Everton squad from that day are still playing for the club - Calvert Lewin, Keane and Pickford


No point being made here, just that both sides have gone through massive personnel overhaul in the last few years. The 0-0 game was actually on in the background when I was at the barbers as I remember, utterly dull game with hardly any chances for either side and the only slightly interesting fact was that both Ancelotti and Arteta had both been appointed as coaches for Everton and Arsenal respectively but neither were in place at the time (in fact I think both watched the game in the stands and Ferguson and Ljungberg were in the dug out)


Dyche and Arteta have a head to head record of two wins a piece and three draws


Burnley 0-0 Arsenal February 2020
Arsenal 0-1 Burnley December 2020
Burnley 1-1 Arsenal March 2021
Burnley 0-1 Arsenal September 2021
Arsenal 0-0 Burnley January 2022
Everton 1-0 Arsenal February 2023
Arsenal 4-0 Everton March 2023


If today is indicative of what’s gone before, probably might be as well not to expect too many goals

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Raya and Vieira start. :faint:

[Marc Overmars]

Ramsdale. :rose:

[Marc Overmars]

Jesus not starting is a bit odd though.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Everton: Pickford, Young, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Onana, Doucoure, Gueye, Danjuma, Beto, McNeil.
Subs: Virginia, Patterson, Keane, Godfrey, Garner, Dobbin, Onyango, Chermiti, Calvert-Lewin.

Arsenal: Raya, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Zinchenko, Rice, Vieira, Odegaard, Saka, Martineli, Nketiah.
Subs: Ramsdale, Tomiyasu, Kiwior, Jorginho, Havertz, Trossard, Smith Rowe, Nelson, Jesus.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Jesus not starting is a bit odd though.

Quite possibly he’s not fully fit.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m not against Raya playing but I do think Ramsdale is being harshly treated and Arteta is looking more at statistics about clean sheets than his individual performances. The reason we’ve not kept a clean sheet at home is because we hold a high line and someone in midfield invariably plays a Harikari pass.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I think Raya is just being given a game because he'll play on Wednesday.

[Marc Overmars]

Definitely think Arteta will chop and change a lot more with the CL in mind now.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think Raya is just being given a game because he'll play on Wednesday.

Dunno you know

But I guess the only way we will know for certain is who appears in the starting line up against Spurs next weekend

[HCZ_Reborn]

I have my very set ideas on who should play and who shouldn’t play and very few people on here agree with me let alone Captain Black.

However where I think we were all in agreement is that Havertz had to come out of the side and that Vieira had probably earned the right to start. So can’t really argue with that

[Mac76]

I think Raya is just being given a game because he'll play on Wednesday.

Either that or Arteta is saving Ram until Weds - my hunch is you're right but that will be a huge kick in the teeth for Ram after he helped us make top 4

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think who starts in goal the next two games after today will give us some indication of what is going on

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Twat these twats.

Sincerely, everyone.

[HCZ_Reborn]

We have given them some bloody good hidings there and ironically when they were a lot better than they are now. 6-1, couple of 4-1s and a 5-2 thrown in.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Martinelli. :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vieira. :haha:

[Mac76]

Nketiah gets stuck in to Pickford :good:

[Marc Overmars]

Rice is so good at winning the ball back.

[Marc Overmars]

Martinelli!!!!

It was coming.

[Mac76]

Martinelliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!

assist from Vieira :clap:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

MARTINELLI!!!

[Mac76]

offside against Eddie...

[Marc Overmars]

Offside :lol:

Bit weird.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Oh dear :lol:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Oh VAR.

[Marc Overmars]

That’s a pure guess.

He looked dead level.

Pathetic decision.

[Mac76]

Martinelli :rose:

[Marc Overmars]

Martinelli off injured.

Trossard on.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on Trossard!

[Marc Overmars]

Such a drab atmosphere for Goodison. If we can’t end the hoodoo here then we might as well give up.

[Mac76]

Come on Trossard!

:gp:

[Marc Overmars]

Neverton are definitely the worst team we’ve played this season.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

White strike, easy for Pickford.

[Marc Overmars]

Considering how much of the ball we’ve had, there’s been nowhere near enough happening in the final third. Disappointing.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Vieira should have smashed it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Deep block isn’t it.

So from what I can gather. Nketiah was the player deemed to be offside but given that the ball wasn’t played to him to begin with, him being in an offside position means fuck all. So once again the lads from VAR have shit the bed and we’ve paid the price

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Saliba. :lol:

I think Jesus will need to be on. Falling in to the pattern of last season really.

[Marc Overmars]

HT 0-0

Shite really.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-0 HT. Hmmm.

[Mac76]

I think Jesus will need to be on. Falling in to the pattern of last season really.

Yes I think we need him to try and unlock this game, Nelson also at some point

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I like generally in theory what Zinchenko gives us but I think his passing has been woeful today from 15 minutes onwards.

Think Everton have been more emboldened to go more for it with Martinelli not on the pitch now.

[Marc Overmars]

Jesus should have started. Eddie relies on precise service and right now there is none of that in the team.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Have to say last season in this fixture, Everton had the upper hand even in the first half. Today we’ve dominated we just only managed to break them down once and the VAR team shit the bed (that’s three goals Martinelli has had ruled out now)

[Slacker]

Deep block isn’t it.

So from what I can gather. Nketiah was the player deemed to be offside but given that the ball wasn’t played to him to begin with, him being in an offside position means fuck all. So once again the lads from VAR have shit the bed and we’ve paid the price

:gp:

[Marc Overmars]

Odegaard hits it at Pickford.

Much better start to this half.

[Marc Overmars]

Got all the hallmarks of conceding some shit goal and losing 1-0.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Oh Eddie.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Nketiah off, Jesus on!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Beto off, Calvert-Lewin on.

[WMUG]

Got all the hallmarks of conceding some shit goal and losing 1-0.

Yup. Everything's going the way Everton want right now.

[Mac76]

Trossaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[McNamara That Ghost...]

TROSSARD!!!!

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Dycheball in full effect.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

How have we not made it 0-2?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Zinchenko off, Tomiyasu on.

Vieira off, Havertz on.

[Mac76]

How have we not made it 0-2?

steady on old chap, this is Everton v Arsenal, it's a miracle we're ahead at all

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Come on Havertz. :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Four added minutes. WTF?

:haha:

[Mac76]

only 4 mins ET :lol:

Dyke :pal:

[Mac76]

FT

1-0 to The Arsenal

We beat Everton away :faint:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Got all the hallmarks of scoring some shit goal and winning 1-0.

:gp:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

0-1 FT!!!

Holy shit we won at Goodison. :faint:

[HCZ_Reborn]

only 4 mins ET :lol:

Dyke :pal:


Seems fair to me, why add on more time when any time wasting has been perpetrated by his side.


Tough to learn that cheating doesn’t always prosper throat cancer boy

[Slacker]

:gp:
:haha:

[mandela8]

Still don't understand why that was given offside.

Gabriel plays the ball sideways, it comes off the Everton player to Nketiah. How can he be offside?

Cos some wee fuckin nerd who has never kicked a baw has deemed it an unintentional hit of the ball? The fuck does that even mean.

Game's fucked.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Still don't understand why that was given offside.

Gabriel plays the ball sideways, it comes off the Everton player to Nketiah. How can he be offside?

Cos some wee fuckin nerd who has never kicked a baw has deemed it an unintentional hit of the ball? The fuck does that even mean.

Game's fucked.


I agree with Taggart

[HCZ_Reborn]

Leandro Trossard's second-half goal secured a hard-fought 1-0 win for Arsenal against Everton as the Gunners ended a 10-game winless run at Goodison Park.

No that’s ten games without a win in Liverpool (Liverpool or Everton) our winless run against Everton was five games

Fucking amateurs

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Leandro Trossard's second-half goal secured a hard-fought 1-0 win for Arsenal against Everton as the Gunners ended a 10-game winless run at Goodison Park.

No that’s ten games without a win in Liverpool (Liverpool or Everton) our winless run against Everton was five games

Fucking amateurs


This too from the BBC:

Everton have failed to score in four of their five Premier League games this season, more often than any other team.

Arsenal, meanwhile, have scored in all five of their games, more than any other team.

:haha:

Er wonder how Man City have 15/15 then.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Liverpool have scored in all theirs also and Tottenham.

[Mac76]

Dyke complaining on the radio about the ref as always - shut up and just admit you and your team are shit ffs

[dazthegooner]

Well we all know what Neverton's objective this season is just to stay up tis why they've stuck with Dyke.

[Mac76]

tis why they've stuck with Dyke.

verily I belive you to be right

[HCZ_Reborn]

Dermot Gallagher saying the Martinelli decision was correct because Beto would never have chosen to play the ball back like that.

Just like Frank Sinclair would never have chosen to lob his own goalkeeper and score an absolute peach of a goal in the wrong end, it’s utter bollocks the ball came off him last because he went to try and block the pass from Gabriel…whether he intended it to land for Nketiah is neither here nor there.

[IBK]

I agree. If a defender shanks a ball unintentionally into the path of a forward who goes on to score the goal of course stands. Why should it be different with an offside? The rule as I understand it concerns whether or not the player off whom the ball deflects is in control of the ball? If so, then (1) why is this necessary? You can affect a the trajectory of a pass without being in control of the ball and for offside it should simply be a case of the player who last touched the ball. (2) Stockley Park is now getting involved in guessing a players intent, which is a subjective unknown and surely not the original purpose of VAR. The competency of VAR decisions is now being drawn into question in every other game and surely it would be better for the off field official to stay out of it. If this trend is to continue I would prefer it if the on pitch referee makes the decision. He might get it wrong, but as it stands, VAR is doubling down on it.

Lastly, I thought that VAR was supposed to favour the attacking team. We are seeing too many incidents where it seems that VAR is trying to chalk off goals rather than officiating on clear and obvious refereeing mistakes.

[Mac76]

Also interesting to see the Sheffield Utd manager talk about the ref basically telling them how to play the game, officials are interpreting and dicatating far too much