"Currants Bw..."

[Niall_Quinn]

Not wanting to leave our partially mentally excellent friends out of the debate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgV-MHk8eD4

[Niall_Quinn]

Meanwhile, the boring reality.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H0rCqaGtJw

It's at times like this I wonder - why haven't we managed to ban ALL media that dissents? Surely something can be done to protect us from the black and white transcripts that existed before the new now. And fucking continue to exist! It's a scandal.

[Mac76]

Depends. If your typing, as you share your crucial opinions on botox celebrities, word puzzles and who will or won't sign up to a cash-sucking business posing as a football club, sounds exciting then maybe I'm not hitting those heady heights. Then again, I never claimed to as substantial or significant as you.

lies as usual ... i've not said a word about botox celebrities ;)

[Niall_Quinn]

It needs to be 10 hours longer to fully explain the duplicity and corruption of the resurrected demons of the 2020 coup. Perhaps you have enough self respect to drag yourself away from the war porn and maybe learn a little.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs

GLORY TO UKRAINE!

At least now you know where the slogan comes from.

[Niall_Quinn]

lies as usual ... i've not said a word about botox celebrities ;)

The botox was a compliment to highlight the gravitas you always bring to the table.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60505903

Macca :bow:

[dazthegooner]

Shane Warne dies aged 52 :rose: https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12557395/shane-warne-former-australia-cricketer-dies-at-the-age-of-52

[Mac76]

Shane Warne dies aged 52 :rose: https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12557395/shane-warne-former-australia-cricketer-dies-at-the-age-of-52

that's terrible news - one of the most gifted cricketers ever

[Letters]

Shane Warne dies aged 52 :rose: https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/12557395/shane-warne-former-australia-cricketer-dies-at-the-age-of-52

I just saw that. I'm not a cricket fan but impossible to not be aware of him.

52 is no age. :(

:rose:

[Mac76]

The botox was a compliment to highlight the gravitas you always bring to the table.

well coming from somone who thinks think gravitas means constantly coming out with melodramatic BS about conspiracies etc. that wouldn't make it into the worst kind of straight-to-video B-movie, I can't say i'm bovveered tbh...

[Niall_Quinn]

well coming from somone who thinks think gravitas means constantly coming out with melodramatic BS about conspiracies etc. that wouldn't make it into the worst kind of straight-to-video B-movie, I can't say i'm bovveered tbh...

33% - Grade D, go to the bottom of the class. The correct answer was - Conspiracy theorist, racist, Putin apologist. Bonus marks for finding a way to mention Trump.

You sounded a bit bothered when you chimed in with your typical low grade contribution. You felt the need to actually post about not being bothered. I'd have thought people who weren't bothered wouldn't bother. What's the matter? Where did the nasty history and reality touch you?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Its also okay to seize any Russian persons assets, Ships, Cars, houses football clubs. Soon it will be ok to punch one in the face

I hate it when my football club gets seized.

[LDG]

I hate it when my football club gets seized.

Inorite!

I have had two siezed in the last week!!

Fuckers!

[Ollie the Optimist]

Ukraine has agreed to peace talks. I'm glad this is happening before a major assault begins. Zelenskyy is a clown and a puppet but he's done two things that have elevated him beyond the pathetic status of the posturing prats in Europe and the US. He's stayed instead of running. And he's defied the US in order to save his people. Putin has precisely zero plans to overthrow the Ukrainian government (although he's entirely justified in doing so, by current global protocols) nor plans to occupy Ukraine. He's said this repeatedly and he's issued very clear demands. These are:

1. No more talk of Ukraine joining NATO and the EU.
2. No more western forces or weapons in Ukraine. When he talks of disarming, he's referring to the warmongers in the west keeping their profiteering snouts out, not the Ukrainian national forces standing down (excluding the neo-Nazi elements).
3. Recognition of the two states that have already indicated they want to break away.
4. De-Nazification. Ignorant people laugh at that demand, they can't be bothered to read a book or visit the UN or Amnesty's web site.

These are entirely reasonable demands given the reality of Ukraine's historical relationship to Russia and the ongoing expansion of NATO.

If the US is smart it gets out right now. As we know, the crazies working Biden's strings are not smart. Look at their track history of devastation and inhumane incompetence. Although if you judge their performance on profit alone I suppose you could call them geniuses.

Very latest update, the peace talks have actually started, according to Ukrainian sources.


1. No more talk of Ukraine joining NATO and the EU.

The push to join NATO from Ukraine as well as joining the EU came after 2014 when Putin annexed part of their country! If he hadn’t invaded Ukraine then, I suspect most would have carried on being happy with status quo. Let’s also not forget taht Ukraine gave up their nukes years ago following security guarantees from Russia. That went well.

2. No more western forces or weapons in Ukraine. When he talks of disarming, he's referring to the warmongers in the west keeping their profiteering snouts out, not the Ukrainian national forces standing down (excluding the neo-Nazi elements).

If this argument is to have any merit then PUtin needs to agree the same. Let’s not kid ourselves that Russia doesnt have weapons elsewhere etc. they are involved in most of the stans, Syria, Belarus etc.

3. Recognition of the two states that have already indicated they want to break away.

Have they really? Apart the manufactured propaganda request for “Russian aid” do they really want to break away? There is huge amounts of resistance against hte invaders that it becomes questionable.

4. De-Nazification. Ignorant people laugh at that demand, they can't be bothered to read a book or visit the UN or Amnesty's web site.

Putins request for denazifcation might hold more weight if he hadn’t sent the Wagner group, whose leader has literal Nazi symbols tattooed on him, to kill Zelensky who lost family members in the holocaust.

[Letters]

We really should have a thread for all this <_<

[dazthegooner]

We really should have a thread for all this <_<

Yup think the thread ceased being a "Wonderland" a long time ago :o

[WMUG]

We really should have a thread for all this <_<

:gp:

[Ollie the Optimist]

I miss Bercow :(

This aged well after yesterdays news :lol:

What a wanker

[dazthegooner]

This aged well after yesterdays news :lol:

What a wanker

:gp:

[Letters]

This aged well after yesterdays news :lol:

What a wanker

:lol: Aye, I saw that and thought "think I'll keep quiet and hope no-one notices" :haha:
OR-DUUUUUR!

[Letters]

This is interesting. Jimmy Carr talking to Jordon Peterson about comedy and other things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwU1yYDkNYA

Carr is obviously quite a deep thinker.

[Ollie the Optimist]

#BREAKING India accidentally fired missile into Pakistan after 'technical malfunction': defence ministry https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1502272684067106824/photo/1

Not now India

[Letters]

:lol:

It’s funny because we’re all going to die.

[Letters]

Finally had the letter from the energy supplier.
Gone up by about 60%.
Will have to let one of the maids go :(

[Niall_Quinn]

Finally had the letter from the energy supplier.
Gone up by about 60%.
Will have to let one of the maids go :(

20-25% of that is for the fucked up warmism handouts. Let's hope things warm up fast, before people who can't afford to eat and heat freeze to death or starve.

[Mac76]

20-25% of that is for the fucked up warmism handouts. Let's hope things warm up fast, before people who can't afford to eat and heat freeze to death or starve.

You really are a clown

[Niall_Quinn]

You really are a clown

Says you. But if you had to say why you'd expose your own denial. Get back under your bed and have your wallet at the ready.

[Niall_Quinn]

The thieves have rewarded your complacency and compliance with a 1% theft cut on the amount stolen from your labour, and a 5p theft cut in the fuel tax they apply to the theft on the amount stolen from your labour, or tax on a tax if you want to use their language.

You should really get down on your knees and suck their dicks. Show some heartfelt gratitude.

[LDG]

The thieves have rewarded your complacency and compliance with a 1% theft cut on the amount stolen from your labour, and a 5p theft cut in the fuel tax they apply to the theft on the amount stolen from your labour, or tax on a tax if you want to use their language.

You should really get down on your knees and suck their dicks. Show some heartfelt gratitude.

And yours, and you :good:

[Globalgunner]

Madeleine Albright dead at 84.

Good riddance.

She died on the eve of the anniversary of the illegal NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. A fine epitaph for the woman who thought a half million kids dying was "worth it".

[Niall_Quinn]

Madeleine Albright dead at 84.

Good riddance

We've been desperately short of good news.

They'll need a lot of whitewash to eulogise about that demonic bitch.

[Letters]

Well I'm glad he cleared that one up :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Uz0LMbWpI

[LDG]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/60862927

Its funny because thats what I call Gary

[Xhaka Can’t]

Taylor Hawkins has passed, just before a show in Colombia.

Fucking gutted, I’ve seen the Foos a few times and he was fantastic. Seemed like a real good guy which is no mean feat when you’re in a band with the nicest man in rock.

RIP

https://youtu.be/tN_Z5CANMyY

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/60862927

Its funny because thats what I call Gary

:lol:

So does my wife

[Letters]

Unless you set an alarm you didn’t “lose an hour’s sleep”, you just woke up late.

[Letters]

More black on black violence at the Oscars :(


:ninja:

[LDG]

More black on black violence at the Oscars :(


:ninja:

They could have been more inclusive of the LGBTQ community. Would have been better if a few of them had been slapped too.

Then some of the Ukranian neo nazis could have arrived and peppered the lot of them with western purchased machine guns

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't pay any attention to those fag fucks. That's all they are looking for. Long gone are they days when the audience arrived because of the drama in the theatres. Now the drama has to be manufactured in the awards they present to themselves for a job not done. Hollywood is dead. Good riddance. Don't encourage them by attending the funeral.

[Globalgunner]

First thing that came to my mind was this is all fake. The Oscars have been declining for years and now its trending again. Its an award for people who pretend for a living. Only sad part is the chaps that were cajoled into the spectacle. You would not see them getting Brad Pitt to slap Tom Cruise. I hope both twats were well paid for this stunt

[Letters]

First thing that came to my mind was this is all fake.
:lol:

I refer the honourable gentleman to my post in the Ukraine thread. People with this sort of mentality assert stuff like this with a confidence they can't possibly have.

[Letters]

Mother forkers.

The good people at the HMRC sent me a £100 fine for submitting my tax return in time.
But I did. I bloody did! And they gave me a reference and everything. But then something went wrong - I can only assume at their end - and it didn't go through.
Spent 40 minutes on hold and then got through to a rather helpful chap who advised me to resubmit - all the details were filled in still - and gave me some advise about how to appeal.
A pain in the proverbials though.

[Mac76]

I didn't know you could be fined for submitting your tax return in time... :lol:

[Letters]

:p

For not submitting it in time. Except I did. So there :fury:

[Letters]

Also. Submitted without comment...


https://newsthump.com/2022/03/28/conspiracy-theorist-claims-oscars-slap-was-staged-by-crisis-actors-after-discovering-both-men-involved-have-their-own-imdb-pages/

:ninja:

[Letters]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/29/mp-whose-dad-died-in-one-punch-attack-wants-to-speak-to-will-smith-16361785/

:lol:

:doh:

[WMUG]

:doh:

Careful!

[Letters]

Careful!

:lol:

[Ollie the Optimist]

I read this morning that the Oscars are thinking of stripping will smith of his Oscar because of the incident.

Clearly he was in the wrong, i dont think there is any doubt about that but how can an organisation strip him of an Oscar for a slap when roman Polanski, accused of rape etc, still has his.

[Globalgunner]

I read this morning that the Oscars are thinking of stripping will smith of his Oscar because of the incident.

Clearly he was in the wrong, i dont think there is any doubt about that but how can an organisation strip him of an Oscar for a slap when roman Polanski, accused of rape etc, still has his.

Careful now young Padwan. Master Letters may start accusing you of "whataboutism"

[Letters]

I read this morning that the Oscars are thinking of stripping will smith of his Oscar because of the incident.

Clearly he was in the wrong, i dont think there is any doubt about that but how can an organisation strip him of an Oscar for a slap when roman Polanski, accused of rape etc, still has his.

I doubt they'll do that. It feels like they need to do something to show they don't condone what he did, but that seems excessive.

[Letters]

Careful now young Padwan. Master Letters may start accusing you of "whataboutism"

Pointing out hypocrisy != whataboutism :hug:

Defending Will Smith's actions by saying "well what about ..." is whataboutism.

Come on, dude, this isn't that difficult :)

[Marc Overmars]

He lost his cool but then so would many others if someone poked fun at their wife who has a medical condition. Shouldn’t have happened but I think the reaction has been silly.

[Letters]

He lost his cool but then so would many others if someone poked fun at their wife who has a medical condition. Shouldn’t have happened but I think the reaction has been silly.

Of course, because the internet.
I thought Chris Rock was way out of line. I like edgy comedy and don't get offended by much, but there is a principle of not punching down.
If you know someone well enough you can get away with teasing them about something like this, if you know they've got a sense of humour about it. But that was clearly not the case here so it was out of order. But yes, all fluff and nonsense really.

[Niall_Quinn]

I knew it.

And this is why we are in the shit we are in and this is why bad men prosper.

I wondered what the shit was going on when I started seeing this bullshit break out across just about every sober platform I review. At first I thought Will Smith had smacked some media dick in the nut. Even then, so what?

The I saw the word Oscars. That was a real head slap in itself.

We could be lost, there may not be enough collective intelligence to find the way back.

[Globalgunner]

Pointing out hypocrisy != whataboutism :hug:

Defending Will Smith's actions by saying "well what about ..." is whataboutism.

Come on, dude, this isn't that difficult :)

So you are in support of violence now it seems

Smith used the tools at his disposal his fists. Imagine if he was the ruler of a nation and the ruler of the neighbouring country made fun of his wife. What do you think he would do next?. Yeah that's right. Invade.

Like I said before it's sad because all it does is reinforce racial tropes.

[Letters]

So you are in support of violence now it seems

I'm interested to know how you got that from any of my posts :lol:

[Globalgunner]

I'm interested to know how you got that from any of my posts :lol:

Well its not yet hypocrisy because no action has yet been taken against Smith. He has apologised to Chris Rock now. So at least he has realised or been made to acknowledge that what he did was wrong. I doubt it was the academy that made him apologise. More likely senior black figures like Denzel Washington or Samuel L Jackson. i would hope so anyway

[Letters]

Fine, potential hypocrisy then.
Denzel Washington emerges from all this with a lot of credit.
It's all nonsense, after the predictable social media arc it'll all be forgotten in a few weeks.

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7u9_z7ZSnk

:ninja:

[Niall_Quinn]

Your mental health is at risk if you keep drilled into this bullshit.

[Letters]

As I’ve said numerous times…

“A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men”

:)

[Letters]

https://newsthump.com/2022/04/01/boris-johnson-puts-forward-well-thought-out-policy-to-improve-the-lives-of-ordinary-citizens/



April Fool! :D

[Letters]

Dot :rose:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60984231

[Xhaka Can’t]

She’s with Pat now.

[Letters]

And Ethel

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61018821

:popcorn:

[LDG]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61018821

:popcorn:

Glad he finally got found out for being the up his own arse cunt he is.

The cocaine took over.

[LDG]

She’s with Pat now.

She hasn’t died yet. Frank has though

Butchers >>>> Lampards

[Letters]

TikTok is bullshit.

[Letters]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10714549/Swiss-man-20-left-intensive-care-suffering-rare-lung-injury-masturbating.html

What a wanker...

[LDG]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10714549/Swiss-man-20-left-intensive-care-suffering-rare-lung-injury-masturbating.html

What a wanker...

A Swiss Wanker

[Letters]

Hmm...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61160971

I mean. Poor taste, clearly. But you're on dodgy ground when you start making "being offensive" illegal. I don't know what the actual charge was here.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Hmm...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61160971

I mean. Poor taste, clearly. But you're on dodgy ground when you start making "being offensive" illegal. I don't know what the actual charge was here.

I have to agree here, its dodgy ground.

I’m sure we are all part of WhatsApp groups etc that people share highly offensive jokes which we all laugh at. Comedians such as frankie Boyle, jimmy carr, ricky gervais all make highly offensive jokes which people laugh at. If you dont like them, then stop watching them.

I think there was a case in Scotland where someone was procescuted for another offensive joke which is completely wrong. What offends you, doesnt offend me etc so its as you say dodgy ground when the state starting dictating what is acceptable and isnt

[Xhaka Can’t]

I find what he did offensive. But I find the punishment even more offensive.

The judge should get the same term only without it being suspended.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61173811

:lol:

[GP]

Le Pen :pal:
Putin :pal:
The far right :pal:


Macron :bow:

[Letters]

:goodpost:

[Globalgunner]

Poets, priests and politicians
Have words to thank for their positions
Words that scream for your submission
And no one's jamming their transmission
'Cause when their eloquence escapes you
Their logic ties you up and rapes you.

Always been a big fan of "The Police"
Sting knows how to write a song


He has however changed in his later years. Rebels in youth, not so sage with age.
Still have every album though, some in that funny thing called vinyl

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61220095

Old people :haha:

[LDG]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61220095

Old people :haha:

George Graham :haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61220095

Old people :haha:

I wish I could utilise the English language to explain to you how ignorant you are. But it's not a powerful enough language. Apparently German is good for this sort of thing. You literally have no idea what happens next if cash goes, do you? Not a fucking scooby.

[Niall_Quinn]

Or, is it possible? Are you playing the fool in order to bring attention to the most pressing issues? If you are, Pacino and De Niro can't touch you. But maybe that's what it is. Or maybe I'm in the most charitable mood.

[Niall_Quinn]

Or, given the subjects you choose to dwell upon, and the nature in which you react to them, you are actually demonic? That's another possibility.

[Letters]

You literally have no idea what happens next if cash goes, do you? Not a fucking scooby.
Firstly, holy shit you are easy to wind up :lol:. I posted the above expecting a bite. You rarely disappoint.

Secondly, go on then. What happens next? Does it involve the army on the street, curfews and checkpoints by any chance?
I always find it interesting that your previous prophesies not coming to pass - and in fact the exact opposite of them happening - never shakes your confidence in your 20:20 foresight.

[LDG]

Tbf if money becomes non-physical, then its value amd quantity will be controlled by….

[GP]

the wife?

[LDG]

the wife?

Too true. Too true

[Letters]

the wife?

:haha:

My business case for a new TV has still not been approved :(

[Niall_Quinn]

Firstly, holy shit you are easy to wind up :lol:. I posted the above expecting a bite. You rarely disappoint.

Secondly, go on then. What happens next? Does it involve the army on the street, curfews and checkpoints by any chance?
I always find it interesting that your previous prophesies not coming to pass - and in fact the exact opposite of them happening - never shakes your confidence in your 20:20 foresight.

There's plenty of your other crap I didn't respond to, so if what you claim is true it means you, a moderator on the forum, is persistently trolling. That could be true, but it's more likely you have developed a subconscious hatred of the elderly because you view them as responsible for Brexit, and you have been hopelessly brainwashed by the media on that subject. This is not mere speculation on my part, it s based on a long-standing pattern in your posting and commentary. Regardless, this isn't about me, it's about you.

As for your consistently dishonest fallback in claiming my "prophecies" are debunked - as a war rages in Ukraine and global warming continues to fail to wipe out the planet (who is accurate, who is insane?) - it shows how you operate. You say, go on then, explain. Then you immediately suffix a warning that whatever is said will be discounted using the same dishonesty as you apply to everything else.

All I said was you are extremely ignorant. The remedy for that is to read a book. Which I have also advised.

[Xhaka Can’t]

the wife?

:haha:

[Xhaka Can’t]

There's plenty of your other crap I didn't respond to, so if what you claim is true it means you, a moderator on the forum, is persistently trolling. That could be true, but it's more likely you have developed a subconscious hatred of the elderly because you view them as responsible for Brexit, and you have been hopelessly brainwashed by the media on that subject. This is not mere speculation on my part, it s based on a long-standing pattern in your posting and commentary. Regardless, this isn't about me, it's about you.

As for your consistently dishonest fallback in claiming my "prophecies" are debunked - as a war rages in Ukraine and global warming continues to fail to wipe out the planet (who is accurate, who is insane?) - it shows how you operate. You say, go on then, explain. Then you immediately suffix a warning that whatever is said will be discounted using the same dishonesty as you apply to everything else.

All I said was you are extremely ignorant. The remedy for that is to read a book. Which I have also advised.

TBF, it is hardly trolling to post a link to a news item - if thats what it takes to get a bite - thats on you. I say this even though I almost fully agree with your position on the ‘cashless’ society.

We were hurtling towards this end prior to the pandemic - now we’re at warp speed. In the blink of an eye all currency we own can be wiped out. This was also possible but more complex and slow to do post gold standard. Additionally, everything we receive and everything we spend it on can and will be tracked (pretty much is already).

Yep, this hybrid cashless state has its conveniences for most right now, but the potential and increasingly likely impacts will be devastating for many.

[Niall_Quinn]

Tbf if money becomes non-physical, then its value amd quantity will be controlled by….

Well the banks already control that, in a general sense. It's the issuance or withdrawal of the "right" to buy and sell at all that will fall into the hands of the very worst characters. As we've already seen, in a nascent form, in Canada. Sweden is also a study in how fucked up and discriminatory it could become. And if linked into the utterly headfucked idea of a universal basic income you'll quickly realise the tyrant's wettest dream will become our reality.

[Niall_Quinn]

TBF, it is hardly trolling to post a link to a news item - if thats what it takes to get a bite - thats on you. I say this even though I almost fully agree with your position on the ‘cashless’ society.

We were hurtling towards this end prior to the pandemic - now we’re at warp speed. In the blink of an eye all currency we own can be wiped out. This was also possible but more complex and slow to do post gold standard. Additionally, everything we receive and everything we spend it on can and will be tracked (pretty much is already).

Yep, this hybrid cashless state has its conveniences for most right now, but the potential and increasingly likely impacts will be devastating for many.

I think you know he's a troll, mainly because he boasts about being one. Yes, in isolation it's a single post. No, in context it's one of an ongoing series spanning years, all taken from the same sources. Are they all designed to "get a bite"? Anyway, irrelevant on the grand scale and compared to something as chilling as the cashless society.

[Letters]

There's plenty of your other crap I didn't respond to, so if what you claim is true it means you, a moderator on the forum, is persistently trolling.
I dispute persistently. Although I would note that you defended Cripps to the hilt who definitely did do that. And there's the difference I'm not "a troll". He was. That was Cripps' entire identity. Do I sometimes troll? I guess, but in a very low key way. In this example I posted an article about moving towards a cashless society. It was a very gentle dig in your direction, as I know you have certain views about that. But I'd emphasise the "gentle", if that post was enough to get you "triggered", as the kids are saying, then I'd suggest it's you who has the problem. I am a mod but I think I'm allowed to have a bit of fun and, honestly, this board is barely moderated these days. Hence us allowing you to be quite abusive and even threatening towards people. Which I'd suggest is a lot worse than me gently ribbing you here and there. But since Gary's intervention a while back I have tried to keep things more civil between us.


it's more likely you have developed a subconscious hatred of the elderly because you view them as responsible for Brexit, and you have been hopelessly brainwashed by the media on that subject.
:lol: Holy shit it was just a joke. Lighten up. I am pretty ambivalent towards old people, for the record. I only mentioned them in my post because that's what the article I linked to was about.


This is not mere speculation on my part, it's based on a long-standing pattern in your posting and commentary.
It is speculation because whatever you based it on, it's still your interpretation of it. And it's incorrect. An ability you believe you possess, but repeatedly show you don't, is to accurately discern people's motives, intentions and beliefs. You generally believe them to be dishonest and/or malicious. You certainly believe me to be, despite me repeatedly telling you that I am messing around - and that isn't "mere speculation", because I know what my own motives and intentions are.


As for your consistently dishonest fallback in claiming my "prophecies" are debunked - as a war rages in Ukraine and global warming continues to fail to wipe out the planet (who is accurate, who is insane?)
I mentioned one prophesy which has been...well, not debunked. That's the wrong word. The exact opposite of what you said would happen has happened. You keep ignoring this, but it demonstrably has. I don't remember you making any prophesies about Ukraine - feel free to remind me. As the dreaded MSM were warning of looming war you seemed to think it wouldn't happen - although you were a bit vague so I'm not clear if that is what you meant.
As for global warming, you haven't made any prophesies as far as I can tell. And you are straw manning the prophesies which climate scientists made.
They said the earth would warm up, and it has - the climate has noticeably changed in my lifetime. They said there would be consequences, and there have been. ( https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/climate-change/effects-of-climate-change )


it shows how you operate. You say, go on then, explain. Then you immediately suffix a warning that whatever is said will be discounted using the same dishonesty as you apply to everything else.
Discounted? Literally this week I replied in some detail to one of your posts, you quoted the first sentence, accused me of dishonesty and basically said "la la la, not listening". It's your go to tactic when you don't want to deal with something. You routinely dismiss anything which doesn't fit your agenda. You talk about "real doctors" and "real scientists", what you really mean is they're the ones who agree with your worldview. The rest are dismissed.


All I said was you are extremely ignorant. The remedy for that is to read a book. Which I have also advised.
I am ignorant of some things, I'm ignorant of the history and politics of the situation in Ukraine which is why I've mostly refrained from commenting.

[Letters]

something as chilling as the cashless society.
What do you think will actually happen? It's certainly the direction of travel, but I'd suggest that direction is being driven by the consumer. It's the same reason we have supermarkets now and not a high street. People like convenience. It's clearly more convenient to get everything in one place than it is to go from shop to shop. Is it a shame that it has decimated the high street? In some ways it is, but if people really wanted to go in to lots of individual shops then they could have. It's not that people don't go to the high street because it's been destroyed by supermarkets. It's that the high street has been destroyed because people were preferring to go to supermarkets. For a cashless society, I prefer to swipe my card when I get on and off a train than queuing up for a ticket and having to pay cash for it. The first experience is demonstrably more convenient and efficient. I find it more convenient to use a card for most things these days. I doubt cash will disappear any time soon but people are increasingly moving away from it. Obviously you object to your transactions being tracked - I don't, but that's a different discussion. What are the dangers you see, that people can be stopped from operating in society if there's no cash? "They" can stop you doing anything by freezing accounts and so on. I mean, they could and I know they have. But is that a difference? I don't have bundles of cash under my mattress, they could already stop me from buying things if they wanted to. I can see some of the dangers, but I think that horse has already bolted.

[Mac76]

What do you think will actually happen? It's certainly the direction of travel, but I'd suggest that direction is being driven by the consumer. It's the same reason we have supermarkets now and not a high street. People like convenience. It's clearly more convenient to get everything in one place than it is to go from shop to shop. Is it a shame that it has decimated the high street? In some ways it is, but if people really wanted to go in to lots of individual shops then they could have. It's not that people don't go to the high street because it's been destroyed by supermarkets. It's that the high street has been destroyed because people were preferring to go to supermarkets. For a cashless society, I prefer to swipe my card when I get on and off a train than queuing up for a ticket and having to pay cash for it. The first experience is demonstrably more convenient and efficient. I find it more convenient to use a card for most things these days. I doubt cash will disappear any time soon but people are increasingly moving away from it. Obviously you object to your transactions being tracked - I don't, but that's a different discussion. What are the dangers you see, that people can be stopped from operating in society if there's no cash? "They" can stop you doing anything by freezing accounts and so on. I mean, they could and I know they have. But is that a difference? I don't have bundles of cash under my mattress, they could already stop me from buying things if they wanted to. I can see some of the dangers, but I think that horse has already bolted.

there's also the privacy element, so if all money is electronic basically they can track what you're spending money on and where and when


pre-covid i was still using cash a lot partly for that reason, also it just made the money seem more 'real', but have now given up for the most part - if the powers-that-be really want to know what I got at the Co-op or the pub that's ok...

[Mac76]

global warming continues to fail to wipe out the planet .

well a) you're (quite deliberately like all the other right-wing morons) using an outdated terminology - as you know full well it's 'climate change' because it isn't all about blanket warming and b) the evidence is all around us - you're just refusing to acknowledge its existence

[Letters]

there's also the privacy element, so if all money is electronic basically they can track what you're spending money on and where and when.
I think this is often raised as a concern. My take is: Meh. So what? (There may be a good answer to that but I've yet to hear one apart from "the principle of it")

[IBK]

I think this is often raised as a concern. My take is: Meh. So what? (There may be a good answer to that but I've yet to hear one apart from "the principle of it")

I think its all about manipulation and control. Information is power. We are already in an era where there is both obvious and covert manipulation of much of what we do and think. So in the same way as online transactions are monitored and fed into algorithms that market products to us and seek to influence furture purchases; and search histories are used to direct us to online content - inlcuding news and opinions that fit into our online profiles (and some say used by social media companies and outside agencies to influence the way we think); so spending information can potentially be used as a form of social regulation.

[Letters]

There are certainly valid concerns here. These algorithms pretty much suck at the moment. I bought a blind recently and then started getting targeted ads for blinds.
Oi, algorithm, how many blinds do you think I need?! :lol:

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61276378

:popcorn:

[Letters]

https://newsthump.com/2022/04/29/its-just-the-boost-the-country-needs-wild-celebrations-erupt-as-james-corden-announces-possible-return-to-uk/

:lol:

[Mac76]

https://newsthump.com/2022/04/29/its-just-the-boost-the-country-needs-wild-celebrations-erupt-as-james-corden-announces-possible-return-to-uk/

:lol:

bit harsh on Jamie Oliver IMO...

[Letters]

Ronnie O'Sullivan :bow:

I booked tickets for the first round next year, will be my first time at The Crucible. :d

[LDG]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61291233

Probably mistook it for her face

[Letters]

Dennis Waterman :rose:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61372712

[Mac76]

The Sweeney :bow:

[Letters]

Shit! Hang in there, Liz. Only a few more weeks…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61384527

[LDG]

Still so fucking gutted

[Letters]

See what happens on Monday. Win that one and it’ll all feel different.
They won their cup final but so what if we finish 4th?

[Ollie the Optimist]

I see there has been talk again in the press about whether cannabis should be legal or not. Partly because Sadiq Kahn has been in the US looking at weed farms.

I was in New York this week where its now legal and the place stinks. It’s vile and therefore biggest argument against making it legal in london. There were loads smoking it near the tourist places (Times Square etc) and it makes you not want to go due to the smell

[Mac76]

Clearly you didn't inhale enough to chill you out any

[Niall_Quinn]

I see there has been talk again in the press about whether cannabis should be legal or not. Partly because Sadiq Kahn has been in the US looking at weed farms.

I was in New York this week where its now legal and the place stinks. It’s vile and therefore biggest argument against making it legal in london. There were loads smoking it near the tourist places (Times Square etc) and it makes you not want to go due to the smell

I guess this could be the stupidest reason yet.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I see there has been talk again in the press about whether cannabis should be legal or not. Partly because Sadiq Kahn has been in the US looking at weed farms.

I was in New York this week where its now legal and the place stinks. It’s vile and therefore biggest argument against making it legal in london. There were loads smoking it near the tourist places (Times Square etc) and it makes you not want to go due to the smell

Funny enough, when I was in Canada, I smell less cannabis now than before it became legal - especially at the ski slopes.

[Letters]

Got up at 4am to watch the lunar eclipse.
Cloudy <_<
Me :pal:

[GP]

https://i.redd.it/worgq3pg1x3y.jpg

[Letters]

Solar > Lunar when it comes to eclipses, definitely.

Top of my bucket list to see a solar eclipse. The '99 one was fine but go total or go home <_<

[dazthegooner]

Jake Daniels: Blackpool forward becomes UK's first active male professional footballer to come out publicly as gay. (Always thought it would be one of the spuds myself) https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12614531/jake-daniels-blackpool-forward-becomes-uks-first-active-male-professional-footballer-to-come-out-publicly-as-gay

[GP]

lol that's gay

[Mac76]

got this mail from TFL - you can translate as "we're massively behind schedule so we're just opening bits of the Lizzie Line so we don't miss the Jubilee deadline..."

btw where TF is Shenfield - is that even a place?


"Elizabeth line

The central section on the Elizabeth line will open on 24 May 2022. The line will initially operate as three separate railways, in the east, west and through central London. Services from Reading, Heathrow and Shenfield will connect with the central tunnels from autumn this year.

Until autumn 2022:
• There will be 12 trains an hour (a train every 5 minutes), running between Paddington and Abbey Wood from 06:30 – 23:00, Monday to Saturday. Bond Street is currently closed and will open later on this year.
• There will be no Sunday services. A special service will operate on Sunday 5 June 2022 for the Platinum Jubilee weekend running from 08:00-22:00
• Services between Liverpool Street and Shenfield, and Paddington to Heathrow and Reading will continue to operate on Sundays as they do now
Elizabeth line customers travelling between:
• Shenfield and the central section of the route will need to change trains at Liverpool Street, walking to/from the new Elizabeth line Liverpool Street station
• Reading or Heathrow and the central section will need to change trains at Paddington, walking to/from the new Paddington Elizabeth line station
• Paddington and Abbey Wood only will not need to change
From autumn 2022:

The lines from Reading, Heathrow and Shenfield will connect with the central tunnels, so customers travelling:
• From Reading and Heathrow can travel east all the way to Abbey Wood without changing at Paddington
• From Shenfield can travel west all the way to Paddington without changing at Liverpool Street
By May 2023:
• The separate sections of the Elizabeth line will be fully connected and you will be able to travel seamlessly from Abbey Wood to Heathrow and Reading, and from Shenfield to Heathrow
• 24 trains an hour will run at the busiest times between Paddington and Whitechapel
"

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61505857

Milton Keynes :bow:

MO will be dancing in the streets of...there tonight.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61573377

When will they learn? :doh:
What they really need is to have the teachers and primary school kids armed. Then stuff like this wouldn’t happen. More guns, that’s the answer.

[Ollie the Optimist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61573377

When will they learn? :doh:
What they really need is to have the teachers and primary school kids armed. Then stuff like this wouldn’t happen. More guns, that’s the answer.

It was Dan Hodges who said this:


In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.

He isnt wrong.

Was it 1996 when Dunblane happened here? Gun controls came in and no mass shootings here since then. Of course, with any laws, you will not stop someone getting a gun and mudering people but it does make it harder and accessing the types of guns the Americans have as routine is near impossible here.

The gun controls we have here are also not that difficult to comply with. Sure, police have to come and interview you and have a background medical check but as long as you have a reasonable explanation for having a gun, they grant the licences. The Americans should try it

[GP]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61573377

When will they learn? :doh:
What they really need is to have the teachers and primary school kids armed. Then stuff like this wouldn’t happen. More guns, that’s the answer.

Well hang on, have you even considered thoughts and prayers?

I mean, it didn't work the last 73000 times, but it might this time.

[Globalgunner]

It was Dan Hodges who said this:



He isnt wrong.

Was it 1996 when Dunblane happened here? Gun controls came in and no mass shootings here since then. Of course, with any laws, you will not stop someone getting a gun and mudering people but it does make it harder and accessing the types of guns the Americans have as routine is near impossible here.

The gun controls we have here are also not that difficult to comply with. Sure, police have to come and interview you and have a background medical check but as long as you have a reasonable explanation for having a gun, they grant the licences. The Americans should try it

Every time I'm in the US and at the local Walmart to buy a cheap pack of boxers. I always take a gander round the armory section. Mind boggled over and over again. Guns and Boxers in the same store. They never have any decent chocolates though, just that Hershey excrement.

[Niall_Quinn]

It was Dan Hodges who said this:



He isnt wrong.

Was it 1996 when Dunblane happened here? Gun controls came in and no mass shootings here since then. Of course, with any laws, you will not stop someone getting a gun and mudering people but it does make it harder and accessing the types of guns the Americans have as routine is near impossible here.

The gun controls we have here are also not that difficult to comply with. Sure, police have to come and interview you and have a background medical check but as long as you have a reasonable explanation for having a gun, they grant the licences. The Americans should try it

There are plenty of gun control laws in the states, btw. You should inform yourself about them so you don't come across as entirely ignorant. The blue states have the tightest laws and the highest levels of gun crime. But the majority of gun crime goes unmentioned because it's not on-message. The real problem in the states, soon to be coming here btw, is certain types of prescription medication, coupled with an active agenda by the media and politicians to sow hatred and fear. Dig into it and find some facts, instead of hanging on the lightweight commentary of the BBC.

[Niall_Quinn]

Every time I'm in the US and at the local Walmart to buy a cheap pack of boxers. I always take a gander round the armory section. Mind boggled over and over again. Guns and Boxers in the same store. They never have any decent chocolates though, just that Hershey excrement.

Try buying a gun instead of boxers. You won't be able to. The "no gun laws" bullshit spouted by the pandering classes doesn't tally with reality. It's far more interesting to follow up on that little sentence you see in ALL of these incident reports - "Known to the police".

There are certain types of people whooping and hollering when each of these incidents go down. But in public they'll be wringing their hands and tearing their hair.

[Globalgunner]

Try buying a gun instead of boxers. You won't be able to. The "no gun laws" bullshit spouted by the pandering classes doesn't tally with reality. It's far more interesting to follow up on that little sentence you see in ALL of these incident reports - "Known to the police".

There are certain types of people whooping and hollering when each of these incidents go down. But in public they'll be wringing their hands and tearing their hair.

NQ C`mon. Everybody having guns cant be a good thing. Where else has this worked?. Finland I hear has a relaxed ownership deal but the actual take up cant be that high because you never hear of someone going beserk and killing a dozen fellow citizens. Guns aren't needed to emancipate humanity. People need to use the weapon they already have. Vote. Vote for someone else than the 2 obvious choices. Better than that, put yourself forward. Be a candidate

[IBK]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/ray-liotta-death-cause-goodfellas-b2088215.html

Sad news this. Goodfellas is my favourite movie and he was a fine actor.

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ C`mon. Everybody having guns cant be a good thing. Where else has this worked?. Finland I hear has a relaxed ownership deal but the actual take up cant be that high because you never hear of someone going beserk and killing a dozen fellow citizens. Guns aren't needed to emancipate humanity. People need to use the weapon they already have. Vote. Vote for someone else than the 2 obvious choices. Better than that, put yourself forward. Be a candidate

If you're going to kill your government you need guns because they have them. Simple as.

Trace all eventualities and it inevitably come to that. Either now, sooner or later, we'll have to kill the bastards. There's no other way. I've thought about it, a thousand people more intelligent than me have thought about it. When you are up against monsters that cannot be negotiated with, what alternative do you have?

But that reality is too much for people who do not value vigilance. So set that aside for a moment.

Kids gets shot at school, worshippers get shot at church, shoppers get shot at the mall. All sad, but utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of death. The amount of deaths by unnatural means in America is truly horrific but only a tiny minority occurs by gunshot wound. I mention this to bring the fire of context the talking points you hear from commie repeaters who worship government above all else. The tragic deaths highlighted in the media pale compared to the tragic deaths ignored by the media. I'm talking thousands to one. Consider that.

So, be sure, the hand-wringing gun control freaks posting here there are everywhere are abso-fucking-lutely delighted that kids got shot. Because it fills their agenda bucket. Yes, they are that fucking evil, like the cunt who pulled the trigger. They are also the ort of cunts who support big pharma. And big media. And every divisive and destructive horror that converts human beings into whatever it was that pulled that trigger.

Obviously guns don't kill. There are more guns in America than people. So if it was the gun doing the killing, every school-kid would be dead by now. This is how simply the anti-gun moron agenda falls down. Why isn't every gun owner shooting kids? Explain?

So there's more to it. I already mentioned big pharma, big media and big government. Big tech helps too, to dehumanise. These are mentally broken and detached (y drugs) remnants who are pulling the trigger. They have been made that way, not by guns, but by the society that broke them.

The simplicity of blaming the gun does not fly here. Blaming the gun is to ignore the horrific reality of what society has become. It takes a special kind of sickness to target kids. Where does that sickness come from? Smith & Wesson? Really? I think it comes from somewhere else.

[Mac76]

both LinkedIn and Twitter are currently down - interesting

[Letters]

The simplicity of blaming the gun does not fly here. Blaming the gun is to ignore the horrific reality of what society has become. It takes a special kind of sickness to target kids. Where does that sickness come from? Smith & Wesson? Really? I think it comes from somewhere else.
Agreed. But given that sickness exists, it would be nice if the people who have that sickness don't have easy access to a firearm.
An armed population isn't going to overthrow the government. You're bringing guns to a drone fight.

[Niall_Quinn]

Agreed. But given that sickness exists, it would be nice if the people who have that sickness don't have easy access to a firearm.
An armed population isn't going to overthrow the government. You're bringing guns to a drone fight.

How bad do you think it's going to get? Now that every kind of fuckery has become the norm? What kind of adults will the kids being abused today grow up to be? Vile trannies, anti-science end of the world nutters, teaching to hate your own culture, proclaiming you a racist by nature, decimating privacy and selling kids as commodities on tech platforms, sexualising everything, absolute disdain for anything greater than man, the total breakdown of every bond that keeps society in place, destruction of the family and pride in all the deadly sins.

This is a campaign of subversion on all fronts.

If you want to fight the forces of the bastards doing this with your bare hands then good luck.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-61607768

Presumably people fleeing the area in case they accidentally heard any of it

[Letters]

If you want to fight the forces of the bastards doing this with your bare hands then good luck.
You’re highlighting societal problems, some of which I agree with
But I don’t think this is a physical battle so I don’t see how guns (or bare hands) will work.

[LDG]

You’re highlighting societal problems, some of which I agree with
But I don’t think this is a physical battle so I don’t see how guns (or bare hands) will work.

I understand that, but its not about whether you win or not. If people genuinely educated themselves on the societal problems you agree exist, then a coming together of those persons can only overthrow those who promote the problems we face, by force. Because that is what those arseholes will use against you when faced with resistance.

The right to bear arms is essential.

[Globalgunner]

I read recently that Switzerland....of all places has some of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. The Swiss!. They look to all appearances like they couldnt bear to kill a single one of their beloved cows even in a famine im sure but there you are

However ypu never hear of some beserker run amok killing dozens because he is having a bad day

This disease is a peculiarly American problem. They are only a week or so removed mentally from the days 150 years ago when you could legally shoot someone because he looked at you funny.

[Letters]

Guns :bow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236

The system works

[HCZ_Reborn]

Listening to the Sam Harris podcast about this subject yesterday, couple of points he raised was that mass shooting incidents be it in elementary/high schools or the type of incidents like the one in Buffalo are a “rounding error” of the overall gun homicide rate in the US (but for obvious reasons this are far more entertaining for the media to report on)
America has more gun ownership per capita than anywhere else in the world but it’s homicide rate is greatly out of proportion by comparison (for example it may have twice as many gun owners per capita than say Israel but ten times as many gun related homicides)
And whilst you can argue whether civilians should have potential access to battlefield firearms (AR-15’s) its kind of a moot point because most gun related deaths are the result of being shot with a handgun, and not even the most ambitious proposed restrictions would do much about the sale of hand guns. The Democratic controlled congress that was in existence for the first two years of the Obama administration actually liberalised concealed carry laws.
On the flip side, the proposals made by Republicans are just as unhelpful, Ted Cruz wanting to have fewer entrances/exits into schools (well done make it actually harder for students to get away from an active shooter). Having metal detectors and armed guards outside schools tend to be a solution in search of a problem (despite how much we hear about them they are still statistically rare events).
Same with getting school children to do drills about what to do in the event of an active shooter, advice that seems as unhelpful as the advice given to people on commercial flights during hijacking. In the past keeping quiet and cooperating with your captor might be the best survival advice, but post 9/11 not really.
Hiding in a classroom under desks is a completely stupid way of dealing with someone who’s intent is to kill people all you are doing is making it more convenient for him by placing yourself in one location without a means of escape.
Now one of the lessons we can take from January 6th is that it’s easier to be part of an unarmed crowd rather than a single armed individual, if a crowd decides to rush you…you simply aren’t going to have the time to get off more than one shot and possibly not even that with something as cumbersome as a military assault rifle and this is then the best way to ensure survival in a situation like that

[Letters]

The US clearly has "a problem" with gun deaths, but I don't think it's solvable now, it's too late. There are more guns than people. Even if you stopped all further gun sales tomorrow it wouldn't sort out the problem.

[HCZ_Reborn]

As I just stated the amount of gun related homicides is completely out of proportion with the amount of guns it owns per capita when compared to another country. So the issue is less about how many Guns there are in the United States and more about the conditions which is causing people going round shooting each other.
The media narrative paints an unhelpful picture, you’d believe that Black people were statistically far more likely to die at the hands of police than their white counterparts it simply isn’t true. If you take deaths as a proportion of encounters with police you are far more likely to die as a white person than a person of colour as a result of police shooting.
And let’s be fair colour is less of a metric than stupidity, if someone is pointing a gun at you and tells you not to move, if you resist in anyway you are running the risk of getting a bullet. Whether you think a potential arrest is fair or not is incidental, why risk death because you’re upset about being treated unfairly.
And then again statistically a standard beat cop will most likely spend their entire career without ever having to pull their weapon out of their holster, so the cops in question tend to be panicking jackasses (even more reason not to protest or make sudden movements)
The vast majority of Americans don’t own guns, I would argue that Guns causing more deaths than Motorists in 2020 might suggest you want to make getting a gun at least as difficult as getting a drivers licence

[Letters]

Depp :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

Listening to the Sam Harris podcast about this subject yesterday, couple of points he raised was that mass shooting incidents be it in elementary/high schools or the type of incidents like the one in Buffalo are a “rounding error” of the overall gun homicide rate in the US (but for obvious reasons this are far more entertaining for the media to report on)
America has more gun ownership per capita than anywhere else in the world but it’s homicide rate is greatly out of proportion by comparison (for example it may have twice as many gun owners per capita than say Israel but ten times as many gun related homicides)
And whilst you can argue whether civilians should have potential access to battlefield firearms (AR-15’s) its kind of a moot point because most gun related deaths are the result of being shot with a handgun, and not even the most ambitious proposed restrictions would do much about the sale of hand guns. The Democratic controlled congress that was in existence for the first two years of the Obama administration actually liberalised concealed carry laws.
On the flip side, the proposals made by Republicans are just as unhelpful, Ted Cruz wanting to have fewer entrances/exits into schools (well done make it actually harder for students to get away from an active shooter). Having metal detectors and armed guards outside schools tend to be a solution in search of a problem (despite how much we hear about them they are still statistically rare events).
Same with getting school children to do drills about what to do in the event of an active shooter, advice that seems as unhelpful as the advice given to people on commercial flights during hijacking. In the past keeping quiet and cooperating with your captor might be the best survival advice, but post 9/11 not really.
Hiding in a classroom under desks is a completely stupid way of dealing with someone who’s intent is to kill people all you are doing is making it more convenient for him by placing yourself in one location without a means of escape.
Now one of the lessons we can take from January 6th is that it’s easier to be part of an unarmed crowd rather than a single armed individual, if a crowd decides to rush you…you simply aren’t going to have the time to get off more than one shot and possibly not even that with something as cumbersome as a military assault rifle and this is then the best way to ensure survival in a situation like that

Appreciate the fact you've informed yourself, unlike almost everyone else.

The best tactic to avoid a mass shooter is well known and very effective. Disperse, at speed. Police response times, even if they are not actively working with the shooter, are pathetic. So your best chance is to give the shooter too many simultaneous targets to hit, even if the psychotropic drug infested state hire (maybe you know what I'm talking about) has an auto weapon. It's extremely difficult for an untrained weapons handler to actually hit a moving target - the difference between responsible gun owners and big pharma victims. Some will die, yes. Most will evade and escape. The instruction to shelter is a deliberate design to get more people killed, for political reasons of course.

Too cynical? Only those without imagination will think so.

[Letters]

Went into London today to see the stuff

Couldn’t get on to The Mall but watched the flypast from Trafalgar Square

Pomp :bow:

Ceremony :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

So, you saw fuck all?

[Letters]

So, you saw fuck all?

See FB for further details :shrug:

[Xhaka Can’t]

I will.

STFU while I check

[Xhaka Can’t]

Airplanes, helicopters and lots of people.

Mind you, Hamleys! :bow:

Any damage to the wallet?

[Letters]

Airplanes, helicopters and lots of people.
And about 7.4 billion flags.
Good to see all that St Totteringham’s Day bunting was finally put to good use.

It wasn’t quite how I imagined the day, I didn’t think The Mall would be that mental. But we did have a good view of the flypast which was the main thing I wanted to see.

Oh and no, we managed to position it that we’d go into Hamleys to look for things which he might want Santa to bring him. Us :bow:

[Globalgunner]

Santa is not real. No way such a fat man ciould get up and down a chimney with no soot on his tunic or beard

[Letters]

https://uproxx.com/viral/king-donald-book-donald-trump-schools/

:haha:

He isn’t well…

[Niall_Quinn]

https://uproxx.com/viral/king-donald-book-donald-trump-schools/

:haha:

He isn’t well…

If that were true then people like you wouldn't be so deranged about a single person. Half the mental illness that has struck the west since 2016 is down to the unhinged reaction to Trump, not just in the US but globally.

But it's certainly sad and, of course, immoral that the political and cultural war is waged in the classroom. But that has been the way since at least WWII and even though the uneducated will laugh at one example on demand they probably have little clue (and therefore little care) about what is happening to their children in so-called educational institutions.

As for the topic of the book, if the media did the job it was supposed to do (rather than the opposite) this would be common knowledge and silly books wouldn't see the light of day, from either faction.

Very complex issue this one. Distilled to a crayon and sticker version for the amusement of the simple minded.

[Letters]

If that were true
It's clearly true.
Look up the traits of someone with narcissistic personality disorder. Tell me what's missing from Trump's behaviour, he ticks all the boxes.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's clearly true.
Look up the traits of someone with narcissistic personality disorder. Tell me what's missing from Trump's behaviour, he ticks all the boxes.

You missed all the key points, as usual and deliberately. Your agenda couldn't hold a drop of water if you had to present beyond the most superficial.

Even your insistence on simplification is revealing. You just happen to know the traits of narcissistic personality disorder, probably as a remnant of your prior career as a psychiatrist? Or maybe because you were led by the nose by the same media you can't talk about.

But, okay, let's say Trump suffers from this relatively mild ailment, compared to the severe mental illness that has struck down at least half the population of the west. He means she, racism is equality, censorship is free speech - you know the sort of crazy shit that passes as knowledge these days? So your point here is to strictly limit yourself to ridiculing one individual while fastidiously avoiding any of the reasons that might have caused this issue? Is that why your career as a psychiatrist ended? You told all your patients they were nutters and left it at that?

Lightweight all the time.

It's just a laugh. But who's laughing and who's being laughed at? In reality?

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My mate got engaged today. :d

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My mate got engaged today. :d

Send him this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhTCOVnU0gY

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https://www.nme.com/news/tv/james-corden-petition-uk-return-3247980

:d

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Send him this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhTCOVnU0gY

Thought had occurred!

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10928699/As-Beatles-legend-Paul-McCartney-turns-80-CRAIG-BROWN-gives-insight-forged-genius.html

Macca :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

You missed all the key points, as usual and deliberately. Your agenda couldn't hold a drop of water if you had to present beyond the most superficial.

Even your insistence on simplification is revealing. You just happen to know the traits of narcissistic personality disorder, probably as a remnant of your prior career as a psychiatrist? Or maybe because you were led by the nose by the same media you can't talk about.

But, okay, let's say Trump suffers from this relatively mild ailment, compared to the severe mental illness that has struck down at least half the population of the west. He means she, racism is equality, censorship is free speech - you know the sort of crazy shit that passes as knowledge these days? So your point here is to strictly limit yourself to ridiculing one individual while fastidiously avoiding any of the reasons that might have caused this issue? Is that why your career as a psychiatrist ended? You told all your patients they were nutters and left it at that?

Lightweight all the time.

It's just a laugh. But who's laughing and who's being laughed at? In reality?

This is a clear example of where we are with Tribal politics

A tendency to diminish problems on one side when there are problems on the other side too

There isn’t a competition between what’s more deranged Trump himself or those who compared him to Hitler, and the people laughing at those who did this are now comparing Biden to Hitler when they aren’t claiming he is so cognitively impaired he’s practically brain dead…I mean which is it?

Trump was a terrible president simply because even if he did have policies or views that challenged the comfortable status quo (something which is massively overstated in any regard) his inability to function based on his constant need to make himself the most important person in the room. There was too much focus on his tweets and not enough focus on his highly agitated mental state. I agree that any armchair diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder is ridiculous and superficial and is on the same level as twitter imbeciles claiming Putin is dying based on photographs and videos (as if somehow we’ve determined that we can diagnose someone medically simply by looking at someone)

Biden is a terrible president because he’s too old, and he was never a particularly impressive politician to begin with.

But the absolutely pathetic carnage that ate away at a nations psyche was caused by Trump being unable to accept that he lost an election, and it was abundantly clear that he would behave like this because he’s had it instilled in him by his father that there’s nothing worse to be in life than a loser. So whilst attempts at diagnoses are not worth anything, one is left with Occam’s razor
What is more likely that mass voter fraud happened in every state Trump needed to win to be re-elected, didn’t occur in states that he carried (including states that the Biden Canpaign felt they had in the bag like Florida and North Carolina) and that despite the failure of even Trump’s own legal team to present evidence in court…that machines were re-programmed, partisan vote checkers allowed ballots that should have been disqualified to count and that the late arriving ballots from democratic counties were also all fraudulent even though it was known because of there has been a long established difference in voter preference between those who vote on the day and those who vote by postal ballot or by early voting.


Or

That a man who at no point stated either in 2016 or 2020 stated that he would concede the election if he lost, a man who has constantly claimed victory in law suits he has lost and has staked his entire reputation and personality on being a winner, couldn’t take losing and created a narrative in his own head where he had been cheated and then spent the next two months trying to cling on to power despite having lost.


Trump is no Hitler, no Mussolini, no fascist. He isn’t even a conservative in any exact understanding of the word. But he’s spread his own self aggrandising conspiratorial mindset through the Republican Party, just as Foucault social justice deconstructionist nonsense has spread like a plague through the Democratic Party.

Whatever the solution, I think it’s fair to say the Americans could do without both, but it’s their freedom to choose. And I would hope whichever stupid option they pick, the other stupid side doesn’t try and pretend it was otherwise.

[IBK]

This is a clear example of where we are with Tribal politics

A tendency to diminish problems on one side when there are problems on the other side too

There isn’t a competition between what’s more deranged Trump himself or those who compared him to Hitler, and the people laughing at those who did this are now comparing Biden to Hitler when they aren’t claiming he is so cognitively impaired he’s practically brain dead…I mean which is it?

Trump was a terrible president simply because even if he did have policies or views that challenged the comfortable status quo (something which is massively overstated in any regard) his inability to function based on his constant need to make himself the most important person in the room. There was too much focus on his tweets and not enough focus on his highly agitated mental state. I agree that any armchair diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder is ridiculous and superficial and is on the same level as twitter imbeciles claiming Putin is dying based on photographs and videos (as if somehow we’ve determined that we can diagnose someone medically simply by looking at someone)

Biden is a terrible president because he’s too old, and he was never a particularly impressive politician to begin with.

But the absolutely pathetic carnage that ate away at a nations psyche was caused by Trump being unable to accept that he lost an election, and it was abundantly clear that he would behave like this because he’s had it instilled in him by his father that there’s nothing worse to be in life than a loser. So whilst attempts at diagnoses are not worth anything, one is left with Occam’s razor
What is more likely that mass voter fraud happened in every state Trump needed to win to be re-elected, didn’t occur in states that he carried (including states that the Biden Canpaign felt they had in the bag like Florida and North Carolina) and that despite the failure of even Trump’s own legal team to present evidence in court…that machines were re-programmed, partisan vote checkers allowed ballots that should have been disqualified to count and that the late arriving ballots from democratic counties were also all fraudulent even though it was known because of there has been a long established difference in voter preference between those who vote on the day and those who vote by postal ballot or by early voting.


Or

That a man who at no point stated either in 2016 or 2020 stated that he would concede the election if he lost, a man who has constantly claimed victory in law suits he has lost and has staked his entire reputation and personality on being a winner, couldn’t take losing and created a narrative in his own head where he had been cheated and then spent the next two months trying to cling on to power despite having lost.


Trump is no Hitler, no Mussolini, no fascist. He isn’t even a conservative in any exact understanding of the word. But he’s spread his own self aggrandising conspiratorial mindset through the Republican Party, just as Foucault social justice deconstructionist nonsense has spread like a plague through the Democratic Party.

Whatever the solution, I think it’s fair to say the Americans could do without both, but it’s their freedom to choose. And I would hope whichever stupid option they pick, the other stupid side doesn’t try and pretend it was otherwise.

Some decent observations there. I can't stand this utterly polarised, tribal attitude towards almost every subject these days - which is to a huge extent a by product of the online worlsd we live in - with so many people seeking only affirmation of their existing views, and encoraged in this by the algorithms to which we are all subservient. The truth as always is simple. Human beings are very rarely so one dimensional - even if their opinions increasingly are. Debate used to be a good way to share, and refine views. Now this has become in so many cases a vehicle by which people massage their own egos and begrudge those who disagree with them.

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A saw this earlier which amused and depressed me in equal measure.

https://i.ibb.co/bm5zvkD/Boris.jpg

Pretty much sums up where we are right now :(

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:lol:

https://newsthump.com/2022/06/22/poundland-to-be-renamed-tennerland/

:ilt:

[mandela8]

You missed all the key points, as usual and deliberately. Your agenda couldn't hold a drop of water if you had to present beyond the most superficial.

Even your insistence on simplification is revealing. You just happen to know the traits of narcissistic personality disorder, probably as a remnant of your prior career as a psychiatrist? Or maybe because you were led by the nose by the same media you can't talk about.

But, okay, let's say Trump suffers from this relatively mild ailment, compared to the severe mental illness that has struck down at least half the population of the west. He means she, racism is equality, censorship is free speech - you know the sort of crazy shit that passes as knowledge these days? So your point here is to strictly limit yourself to ridiculing one individual while fastidiously avoiding any of the reasons that might have caused this issue? Is that why your career as a psychiatrist ended? You told all your patients they were nutters and left it at that?

Lightweight all the time.

It's just a laugh. But who's laughing and who's being laughed at? In reality?

What are you arguing about here, mate?

Trump is a fuckin spastic. Genuinely stupid and a narcissist.

Am I missing something?

The worst things about him though is he's enabled a mass of inbred retards to lurk from the shadows in which they hid, for the most part, before.

Worst thing about living here is having to tolerate these fuckin imbeciles. If your point is that the American Left (which are you the right of most of Europe's Right) are just as bad then they're not and you're wrong.

They are fuckin idiots, tbf, for many of the reasons you've pointed out, and more, but they're not Trumptard level.

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Worst thing about living here is having to tolerate these fuckin imbeciles.
You live in the States now?

[mandela8]

You live in the States now?
Aye, in the land of the free where you're not free to send your kid to school in safety. Pricing bulletproof bags noo.

[mandela8]

I left that shit hole Scotland after they proved themselves to be cowardly scum in 2014, fwiw.

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Well how am I supposed to get good deals on Sky TV now? :sulk:

[mandela8]

Well how am I supposed to get good deals on Sky TV now? :sulk:

Haha...I still have contacts, man.

If you're intradested just let me know and I'll sort you, or anyone on here, out.

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:good:

Also, was IndyRef really 2014?! Holy shit time goes quickly

[mandela8]

:good:

Also, was IndyRef really 2014?! Holy shit time goes quickly

Indyref 2 next year, hopefully.

Might move back if they get a fuckin grip of themselves and grow a set.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think any Scottish person wanting independence is a bit of a Jocky Wilson type in the head, didn’t brush their teeth because their auld Granny told them the Anglish poisoned the water.

Of what possible value would it be, the Act of Union was an agreement of mutual benefit to both sides.


Plus who the fuck would trust the SNP to govern, at least people know the Tories are crooks and degenerates…people seem to be in deep denial about this mob.

Iain Blackford….what a cunt he is.

[mandela8]

I think any Scottish person wanting independence is a bit of a Jocky Wilson type in the head, didn’t brush their teeth because their auld Granny told them the Anglish poisoned the water.

Of what possible value would it be, the Act of Union was an agreement of mutual benefit to both sides.


Plus who the fuck would trust the SNP to govern, at least people know the Tories are crooks and degenerates…people seem to be in deep denial about this mob.

Iain Blackford….what a cunt he is.

Fuck sake.

What self respecting country doesn't want to govern itself, ffs?
The closer government is to the people the better it usually is.

Wanting independence is absolutely fuck all to do with anti English sentiment. That's some weird narrative the English have invented for some reason.

I'd have thought wanted out from under a dysfunctional, elitist, corrupt Westminster is something all rational people could get behind.

As for what value... offhand, an immediate nuclear disarmament and hugely reduced military spend, no unelected house of lords, full democratic representation rather than being ruled at the mercy of neighbourly voting block 11 times larger than our own, full autonomy of fiscal and all other policy to realize the potential to elevating the country to levels similar to other northern European countries of similar size like Norway, Ireland Sweden, Finland et al who all outperform the so called UK on the almost every single metric that I care about.

As for the act of union, learn your history. The act of union was signed by a tiny group of landowners who accepted bribes from the English government to do so. It was in no way shape or form beneficial to the Scottish people who had fought and died for centuries for their independence. An utterly absurd, uninformed assertion.

And who the fuck cares about the SNP? It has absolutely fuck all to do with any party or any politician. Independence would enable scots to vote whoever they wanted directly into government which is impossibly as part of the so called UK where Scotland hasn't had a government it voted for in Westminster in decades and has only had the government it voted for a mere handful of times in over a century. It's a genuinely bizarre dynamic that doesn't serve the people of Scotland and would be deemed as entirely unconscionable by any other democratic country.

As for the Jockey Wilson dig...I find that rather amusing as your post paints you as a stereotypical English gammon cunt.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m sorry but it is absolutely Anti English sentiment, it’s the very driving force behind independence and your invective in your response can barely conceal it. Anti Unionist sentiments have only fully been at the forefront of Scottish politics for the last decade. The SNP regarded as they always should have been, an afterthought.

In terms of political representation Wales is in the same predicament as Scotland, so are the majority of voters in England. Wales doesn’t want to secede because it knows it would be daft. Scotland on the other hand thinks it can suckle on the dried up teet of North Sea oil and gas.

What have the SNP got to do with it, they are completely tied to independence. It’s like asking what have the Tories got to do with Brexit?

Nuclear disarmament? Disarm what….the Trident submarines and their Arsenal belong to the UK military.

A lot of the Nordic countries you’ve envisaged Scotland to become like are either in the EU or belong to the single market, good luck getting into the EU or even the EEA (which would be funny if as a result of that you managed to erect a hard border between yourselves and your largest trading partner)

I think Scotland should be allowed as many Indy refs as it likes, I considerably doubt The result will be any different than in 2014. The Scots see for themselves how bad things are with the SNP in charge, why give them even more power.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I should clarify that I love Scotland I think it’s a great country (with the exception of Glasgow which is a sectarian shit hole, but there’s just as many ropey places in England) and I have no issue with the Scottish people. But as my Scottish Cousin say of those who want independence it’s harder to work out what they have fewer of - teeth or brain cells.

[mandela8]

I’m sorry but it is absolutely Anti English sentiment, it’s the very driving force behind independence and your invective in your response can barely conceal it. Anti Unionist sentiments have only fully been at the forefront of Scottish politics for the last decade. The SNP regarded as they always should have been, an afterthought.

In terms of political representation Wales is in the same predicament as Scotland, so are the majority of voters in England. Wales doesn’t want to secede because it knows it would be daft. Scotland on the other hand thinks it can suckle on the dried up teet of North Sea oil and gas.

What have the SNP got to do with it, they are completely tied to independence. It’s like asking what have the Tories got to do with Brexit?

Nuclear disarmament? Disarm what….the Trident submarines and their Arsenal belong to the UK military.

A lot of the Nordic countries you’ve envisaged Scotland to become like are either in the EU or belong to the single market, good luck getting into the EU or even the EEA (which would be funny if as a result of that you managed to erect a hard border between yourselves and your largest trading partner)

I think Scotland should be allowed as many Indy refs as it likes, I considerably doubt The result will be any different than in 2014. The Scots see for themselves how bad things are with the SNP in charge, why give them even more power.

Fuck me.

Stupidity beyond reasoning.

Who am I to speak on behalf of 45% of a nation and 53% of Scottish people who voted Yes. If they all voted due to anti English sentiment I can only assume that the 50 odd % of English who voted for Brexit did so due to anti European sentiment.

Just startling ignorance.

I mean I could pick holes in the rest of your posts...10 years of snp, party politics and national debate, the EU, etc...all just the usual baseless, iazy, uninformed nonsense from a typical Gammon.

Been done to death, man.

Both votes were merely voting to leave a political union.



Two posts before north sea oil anaw :haha:

[mandela8]

I should clarify that I love Scotland I think it’s a great country (with the exception of Glasgow which is a sectarian shit hole, but there’s just as many ropey places in England) and I have no issue with the Scottish people. But as my Scottish Cousin say of those who want independence it’s harder to work out what they have fewer of - teeth or brain cells.

Your cousin sounds like a paedophile.

[HCZ_Reborn]

:lol:

I love how easily it was to wind you up about this

Seriously though, I do think Independence would be terrible for Scotland. And I think Scots are generally more fed up of being seen as the poor relation rather than this fervour to leave the Union. A lot of arrogant unionists have stated that the issue started with devolution but I think devolution is the minimum Scotland should have. I think the only way to preserve the Union would be to federalise it, and that would mean creating devolved regions within England as well.

I also seriously do think you cannot seperate the SNP from Independence and the changes they’ve brought in makes me worry for Scotland under their tender ministrations. Westminster has been arrogant and dismissive of Scotland and the Tories using Scotland as the Guinea pig for the Poll tax was a piss take.

But the SNP like to blame Westminster for its failings on the NHS, Education and policing (removing the county constabularies and creating one unified police Scotland has been utterly disastrous)

If Scottish people want to stand on their own two feet as it were so be it, but I think it’s more about as you say wanting to address political representation issues.

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I don't care about Scottish Independence. As in, if they want it then whatevz.
But they absolutely have a case for Indyref 2 after Brexit. As a country they have been dragged out of the EU because of the Union, as a country they wanted to remain. That alone gives them a case to ask the question again.

Interestingly, someone who used to be at my church who has Scottish heritage - and is up there now - was very much against independence but he was for Brexit. Never quite understood that, always seemed like a contradiction.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think the SNP would be calling for another independence referendum regardless of Brexit

I think the two things are similar though, essentially I do agree that it is a reasonable proposition to be independent. It’s as reasonable to want to be free of EU jurisdiction as it is to want to be free of Westminster.

The problem is the proposition is made by charlatans who seem to neither know nor care what happens next.

I’m an old fashioned Unionist, I definitely would prefer Scotland to stay part of the United Kingdom. Curiously I don’t feel the same way about Northern Ireland…I think culturally they are a different country to us and I think a younger generation will feel more inclined towards Irish reunification.

As I’ve said previously, I think there is less dislike for the Union itself than there is for the Tory and Labour Party. In 2014 every area outside of Glasgow voted to remain in the Union. With the exception of maybe somewhere like Dundee I don’t imagine that will change with a second independence referendum. However that shouldn’t be taken for granted, and any remain campaign would have to learn the lessons of the atrocious better together campaign. Instead of trying to strong arm the Scottish people and tell them the dire consequences, there needs to be an attempt to sell the Union and make sure the Scots feel like a valued partner.

Ultimately I agree that the choice has to be theirs.

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I think the SNP would be calling for another independence referendum regardless of Brexit
Probably true, but Brexit gives them a really good argument for one - it's changed the situation when as a country they wanted to remain. And thus potentially changed the attitude towards the Union. It underlines the fact that they are not independent and have been dragged out of the EU against their will.


I’m an old fashioned Unionist, I definitely would prefer Scotland to stay part of the United Kingdom.
Overall I agree, but mostly because I don't like change. It probably wouldn't actually change much in my day to day life.

[IBK]

I think the SNP would be calling for another independence referendum regardless of Brexit

I think the two things are similar though, essentially I do agree that it is a reasonable proposition to be independent. It’s as reasonable to want to be free of EU jurisdiction as it is to want to be free of Westminster.

The problem is the proposition is made by charlatans who seem to neither know nor care what happens next.

I’m an old fashioned Unionist, I definitely would prefer Scotland to stay part of the United Kingdom. Curiously I don’t feel the same way about Northern Ireland…I think culturally they are a different country to us and I think a younger generation will feel more inclined towards Irish reunification.

As I’ve said previously, I think there is less dislike for the Union itself than there is for the Tory and Labour Party. In 2014 every area outside of Glasgow voted to remain in the Union. With the exception of maybe somewhere like Dundee I don’t imagine that will change with a second independence referendum. However that shouldn’t be taken for granted, and any remain campaign would have to learn the lessons of the atrocious better together campaign. Instead of trying to strong arm the Scottish people and tell them the dire consequences, there needs to be an attempt to sell the Union and make sure the Scots feel like a valued partner.

Ultimately I agree that the choice has to be theirs.

I can't help but feel that the SNP's referendum obsession is as political as Cameron's Brexit referendum was, and could potentially be just as damaging.

[mandela8]

:haha:

Always funny to read English people trying to understand summin they'll just never get.

Most Scottish people have a desire for normalcy. That's a point that seems to go over the head of English people. The so called UK is abnormal and I think it's a safe assertion that no other country in the world would willingly enter such an arrangement today. So the fact it comes as some surprise to them that one of the smaller countries in such an arrangement want out is just bizarre.

Then there's the English obsession with the SNP. I think you lot forget who vote for the SNP. Obsession with a referendum is meaningless from the SNP. It's hugely significant to the people of Scotland who vote them into power, by monumental margins, time after time after time after time after time. It's not the SNP who drive independence, it's the people who vote for them. Attributing "the blame" to the SNP is some form of coping mechanism for Gammons who feel like a jilted lover or summin. It should also be noted that the SNP are not the only pro independence party in Scotland. The Greens are pro independence and well represented in the Scottish government, comparitively to the so called UK.

Maybe they should replace the term independence with normalcy, actually.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Tim Shipman’s All out War book about Brexit suggests Cameron was strong armed into the referendum by his back benchers, partly because they felt Cameron had let them down by not demanding Brown hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty when he was leader of the opposition. Secondly because the success of UKIP under Farage as a political insurgency movement along with the defections of Carswell and Reckless to UKIP from the Tories.

Where Cameron really failed was his arrogance to not have Whitehall have anything in place in the event of a leave vote. So that there was a post Brexit future that was baked into the referendum

[mandela8]

As for the SNPs record in government which is also a target from clueless gammons, let's explore that.

Free education
Free prescriptions
Free eye tests
Free dental care up to 25 with free check ups for all
Free public transport for under 23s and job seekers
Free public transport for over 65s
Bedroom tax subsidies
Baby boxes for all new Borns

I could go on and on. Let's not pretend they don't offer a far more socially inclusive dynamic and they do so while being strangled by a budget that represents a significant deficit compared to what Scotland generates...which is, as we all know, the singular reason Westminster are so utterly opposed to losing Scotland, despite their laughable outward assessment.

That said, I haven't voted for the SNP since Salmond left and I'll never vote for them while Sturgeon is in charge. But I can at least be objective in their performance.


Gammons will continue to lament the SNP in their denial but it's not the SNP driving independence. It's the Scots who vote for them (and the Greens).

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Most Scottish people have a desire for normalcy.
Urgh. Normalcy. You've been in the States too long.


That's a point that seems to go over the head of English people. The so called UK is abnormal and I think it's a safe assertion that no other country in the world would willingly enter such an arrangement today. So the fact it comes as some surprise to them that one of the smaller countries in such an arrangement want out is just bizarre.
But you don't want out. I mean you singular might, but you plural voted "no thanks". So... :shrug:

[HCZ_Reborn]

As for the SNPs record in government which is also a target from clueless gammons, let's explore that.

Free education
Free prescriptions
Free eye tests
Free dental care up to 25 with free check ups for all
Free public transport for under 23s and job seekers
Free public transport for over 65s
Bedroom tax subsidies
Baby boxes for all new Borns

I could go on and on. Let's not pretend they don't offer a far more socially inclusive dynamic and they do so while being strangled by a budget that represents a significant deficit compared to what Scotland generates...which is, as we all know, the singular reason Westminster are so utterly opposed to losing Scotland, despite their laughable outward assessment.

That said, I haven't voted for the SNP since Salmond left and I'll never vote for them while Sturgeon is in charge. But I can at least be objective in their performance.


Gammons will continue to lament the SNP in their denial but it's not the SNP driving independence. It's the Scots who vote for them (and the Greens).

Record Drug deaths (including another cousin of mine)

Education and healthcare failure

The constant one upmanship with Westminster in terms of Covid restrictions

The same issue in terms of deaths in care homes due to Covid

Both the SNP and the Scottish Greens embrace the deranged Gender ideology, the Scottish greens have even expelled members for questioning it and even together they don’t quite get to 50% of the electorate and that’s even assuming everyone who votes SNP would vote for independence (the majority will)

The polling has only ever shown a soft lead for independence and at the moment shown more of a small but steady leave for the status quo, so I kind of feel you’re projecting when you talk about what the people of Scotland want.

Plus Alex Salmond? You voted for that cunt when he was leader and are calling other people gammons. The only selling point for Sturgeon is that she isn’t him.

[mandela8]

Urgh. Normalcy. You've been in the States too long.


But you don't want out. I mean you singular might, but you plural voted "no thanks". So... :shrug:

Well, that's debatable now, I guess. In 2014 they voted No.

It should also be noted that a majority of Scots voted Yes. It was really the 14% (I believe was the number at the time) of the population who are fervent English/br*tish nationalists that swung it towards no with their overwhelming block vote.

Hopefully if there is another vote it's restricted to Scots and EU nationals and it'll be a landslide for Yes. We need to be more ruthless in this regard. Westminster certainly are and this faux nobility, particularly from the SNP, is self defeating.

[mandela8]

Record Drug deaths (including another cousin of mine)

Education and healthcare failure

The constant one upmanship with Westminster in terms of Covid restrictions

The same issue in terms of deaths in care homes due to Covid

Both the SNP and the Scottish Greens embrace the deranged Gender ideology, the Scottish greens have even expelled members for questioning it and even together they don’t quite get to 50% of the electorate and that’s even assuming everyone who votes SNP would vote for independence (the majority will)

The polling has only ever shown a soft lead for independence and at the moment shown more of a small but steady leave for the status quo, so I kind of feel you’re projecting when you talk about what the people of Scotland want.

Plus Alex Salmond? You voted for that cunt when he was leader and are calling other people gammons. The only selling point for Sturgeon is that she isn’t him.

What education and healthcare "failures". Be specific rather than throwing blanket, unsupported statements out there. I've already provided you numerous examples of some of the advantages to both Scottish education (it's free at point of use and you can also add childcare provisions to that) and health (with the holistic approach of universal eye and dental checks).

I fully agree with you on the ridiculous gender politics debate. It's one of many issues I have with both parties. I'd never pretend any party is without issues and this tribal adherence to party politics is a scourge in society. However, for every issue I have with the SNP or Green I could find dozens in the alternative parties. I don't vote for perfection. I vote for the closest to my ideals and that's often a 'least worst' decision.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well let’s take Education, the countless amounts of schools that haven’t undergone basic inspection in ten years. The declining exam results especially in STEM subjects to which the SNP have decided to respond to by pushing pupils towards the arts and placing less priority on exams.

In Health as I’ve stated you’ve got a borderline Drug dependency epidemic, fewer hospital beds, more money wasted on agency staff.

Most of the SNP’s “achievements” are maintaining the measures that Scottish Labour brought in under Donald Dewer.

The SNP are like the Tories in Westminster, unchallenged because a plurality of people will vote for them no matter what and because the opposition parties are shit. There’s nothing normal or healthy about Scottish politics.

[mandela8]

Well let’s take Education, the countless amounts of schools that haven’t undergone basic inspection in ten years. The declining exam results especially in STEM subjects to which the SNP have decided to respond to by pushing pupils towards the arts and placing less priority on exams.

In Health as I’ve stated you’ve got a borderline Drug dependency epidemic, fewer hospital beds, more money wasted on agency staff.

Most of the SNP’s “achievements” are maintaining the measures that Scottish Labour brought in under Donald Dewer.

The SNP are like the Tories in Westminster, unchallenged because a plurality of people will vote for them no matter what and because the opposition parties are shit. There’s nothing normal or healthy about Scottish politics.

I'm naw even sure why I'm engaging you here, tbh. You're either incredibly fuckin stupid or just lying.

Scotland has some of the best education in the world. That's demonstrable fact. Any declines or trends should be viewed in that context. There's been issues with things like mathematics results but successes in things like closing the attainment gap. Are there issues? Sure. Is labelling it a "disaster" tabloid level hyperbolic idiocy? Yep.

The drug issues are something I'm personally close to. Firstly, these issues go back decades so labelling it as an SNP issue is, as I said, idiotic or disingenuous as utter fuck. You can decide. More importantly here though is the fact that the SNP (with Green support) have tried to do multiple things that would help hugely. Policy changes ranging from decriminalization of many drugs and creating safe drug rooms. These policies are not within the power of the Scottish government and when they requested a transfer of power to enact them Westminster refused.
So, for you to attribute blame to the Scottish government for issues that Westminster are not only responsible for but have actively prevented the Scottish government from dealing with is fuckin disgraceful and you should be fuckin ashamed of yourself. You bootlicking cunt.
The drug issue is one of my top reasons for supporting independence because Westminster have made it abundantly clear that they will continue to ensure Scots die at levels far greater than peers. It's utterly disgusting.

As for maintaining Dewer's policies. Name 1, ffs. Jesus wept. In fact, don't bother as I'm done with you on this. You clearly demonstrated either stupidity or lies. I'd suggest both.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I'm naw even sure why I'm engaging you here, tbh. You're either incredibly fuckin stupid or just lying.

Scotland has some of the best education in the world. That's demonstrable fact. Any declines or trends should be viewed in that context. There's been issues with things like mathematics results but successes in things like closing the attainment gap. Are there issues? Sure. Is labelling it a "disaster" tabloid level hyperbolic idiocy? Yep.

The drug issues are something I'm personally close to. Firstly, these issues go back decades so labelling it as an SNP issue is, as I said, idiotic or disingenuous as utter fuck. You can decide. More importantly here though is the fact that the SNP (with Green support) have tried to do multiple things that would help hugely. Policy changes ranging from decriminalization of many drugs and creating safe drug rooms. These policies are not within the power of the Scottish government and when they requested a transfer of power to enact them Westminster refused.
So, for you to attribute blame to the Scottish government for issues that Westminster are not only responsible for but have actively prevented the Scottish government from dealing with is fuckin disgraceful and you should be fuckin ashamed of yourself. You bootlicking cunt.
The drug issue is one of my top reasons for supporting independence because Westminster have made it abundantly clear that they will continue to ensure Scots die at levels far greater than peers. It's utterly disgusting.

As for maintaining Dewer's policies. Name 1, ffs. Jesus wept. In fact, don't bother as I'm done with you on this. You clearly demonstrated either stupidity or lies. I'd suggest both.


Calling me a bootlicking cunt just shows you up for being a short tempered Cybernat who doesn’t like to hear a few home truths

Now it could be because you’re living over the other side of the pond you’re not in touch with what’s going on in education but just screaming “lies” at me won’t help you. Scotland was one of the best countries for education in the world correct, not only at primary and secondary level but top universities like Edinburgh and St Andrews.

But the standards have gone down hill, the government is in hoc to the teaching unions and basic things like retention of facts is not even prioritised anymore.

These great achievements you wang on about, Dewar’s government stopped the tuition fee from going north of the border, free eye tests were introduced in 2006 and free travel for over 60s from 2004.

People vote for the SNP because they are tired of being taken for granted by the uk parties and whilst I have some measure of sympathy, it’s not serving them well. How many Scots went over the border to England on New Year’s Eve because Saint Nicola decided that she had to be tougher on Covid restrictions than Johnson despite the available scientific evidence that stated that the vaccine roll out had made Omicron far less deadly.

And let’s not forget their signature achievement, scrapping the
Constabularies and creating one centralised Police Scotland, so that if an old lady gets mugged in Auchtemuchty she will have to wait until they send some coppers over the Tay Bridge from Dundee.

[Letters]

No more baby murder for you, American women!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61928898

[mandela8]

No more baby murder for you, American women!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61928898

Absolutely fuckin wonderful news.

I don't support abortion in almost any form (possible exceptions for rape/incest and certainly dire health issues) but I'm pragmatic enough to know my ideology doesn't always transfer to good policy. So, I guess my hope is that all states introduce far shorter term time limits. 12 weeks or so, although I still find it appalling, frankly.

The one issue I have though, and this is very specific to America is that they will do absolutely fuck all by way of introducing new social support mechanisms for the often young, vulnerable, poor, etc mother's/families who will now have children to raise. This is especially prevalent among Republicans who are all about enforcing their ideology but never making the appropriate provision to support these implementations.

[GP]

Abortion should be mandatory in 100% of cases.

[Letters]

Abortion should be mandatory in 100% of Scottish cases.

FYP.

[mandela8]

FYP.

Agreed.

Cowardly scum.

I don't even consider myself Scottish anymore.

[Letters]

I don't even consider myself Scottish anymore.
Why are you still banging on about independence thing then?

The abortion thing. I think I pretty much agree with you, but one thing that annoys me around this whole issue is how many people on both sides of the debate pretend it's a simple black and white issue when in reality it's a pretty complex one with lots of shades of grey.

[HCZ_Reborn]

There’s going to be so many hot takes from both sides this weekend, thanks what a turd to leave on the work desk last thing on a Friday (yes I get the time difference)

In so far that I even care about this issue, I’m pro choice. I do honestly respect the pro life argument but I just can’t bring myself to get moist eyed about something non sentient the size of a pin head whatever it’s potential.

However I think Roe vs Wade was a bad decision, the pro choice argument has become complacent and shrill and has barely had to make a decent justification of how women don’t tend to do this kind of thing for the fun of it. And actually would be far better to tackle the things that lead to abortion such as poverty or sexual assault.

Well there are also LT abortions if carrying to term is unviable and threatens the life of the mother but that’s just heartbreaking all round.

[mandela8]

Why are you still banging on about independence thing then?

The abortion thing. I think I pretty much agree with you, but one thing that annoys me around this whole issue is how many people on both sides of the debate pretend it's a simple black and white issue when in reality it's a pretty complex one with lots of shades of grey.

Well, I was responding to nonsense. I never really instigated it.

Plus, I'll resume my citizenship when they become independent.

On the abortion...my peeve is that many of the people who fought so hard for this to be struck from the constitution are the same idiots who think the constitution is some immovable object, when it comes to the 2nd amendment. The double standard is ridiculous.

[LDG]

Welcome back you scottish fannyslick :good:

Re abortion. Emotive subjects are always good blindsides.

Look at glasto giving centre stage to the popularist propaganda

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well, I was responding to nonsense. I never really instigated it.

Plus, I'll resume my citizenship when they become independent.

On the abortion...my peeve is that many of the people who fought so hard for this to be struck from the constitution are the same idiots who think the constitution is some immovable object, when it comes to the 2nd amendment. The double standard is ridiculous.

You mean ideological people are massive hypocrites? Who knew

And you did make your position on independence from the outset. And whilst I genuinely am pro Unionist and Anti SNP I was also clearly winding you up at times by exaggerating my own views. I think the biggest driver of independence sentiment is the UK Conservative party (which is becoming an English Nationalist party) whilst the SNP took control in Holyrood in 2007 they didn’t transfer that support in the UK general election until 8 years later because Labour was seen as too tied to an awful better together campaign.

[mandela8]

Welcome back you scottish fannyslick :good:

Re abortion. Emotive subjects are always good blindsides.

Look at glasto giving centre stage to the popularist propaganda

Ha you still aboot?

Good to 'see' you again, man. Hope all is well.

[mandela8]

You mean ideological people are massive hypocrites? Who knew

And you did make your position on independence from the outset. And whilst I genuinely am pro Unionist and Anti SNP I was also clearly winding you up at times by exaggerating my own views. I think the biggest driver of independence sentiment is the UK Conservative party (which is becoming an English Nationalist party) whilst the SNP took control in Holyrood in 2007 they didn’t transfer that support in the UK general election until 8 years later because Labour was seen as too tied to an awful better together campaign.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1093162414604996608/Fr7_NlLa_400x400.jpg

[Letters]

Welcome back you scottish fannyslick :good:
:lol:.


Look at glasto
Will do.

Macca :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1093162414604996608/Fr7_NlLa_400x400.jpg

How dare you

If you’re going to post a shoe licking image at least do the one from Clockwork Orange

Also I’m English so the argument doesn’t even make sense you daft bugger

[LDG]

Ha you still aboot?

Good to 'see' you again, man. Hope all is well.

Top lad.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Well, I was responding to nonsense. I never really instigated it.

Plus, I'll resume my citizenship when they become independent.

On the abortion...my peeve is that many of the people who fought so hard for this to be struck from the constitution are the same idiots who think the constitution is some immovable object, when it comes to the 2nd amendment. The double standard is ridiculous.

https://youtu.be/mUm1erSELQw

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61989606

I believe he should fry :sulk:

[LDG]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61989606

I believe he should fry :sulk:

Its a remix back to prison

[Mac76]

:haha:

https://twitter.com/new_orleansjazz/status/1544490105636671488

[WMUG]

Yanks :doh:

[Letters]

It's funny because they all nearly died :lol:

[Mac76]

It's funny because they all nearly died :lol:

IKR :lol: ;)

i just want to know what happened afterwards - like at what point did the car explode?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Shinzo Abe the former prime minister of Japan, assassinated by extreme leftist fanatic

Don’t support the death penalty as a rule, but this guy is going to hang and deserves to

[Niall_Quinn]

Typed the word "cunt" into Youtube today. Message popped up. Are you sure you want to post this? Am I sure I want to call a tory leader candidate a cunt? WTF? Are you kidding me? What else would they be? So I said yes, I'm sure I want to cal the cunt a cunt. `i guess this is the carrot before the stick. Can you imagine? Living in a world where you aren't event allowed to cal a tory a cunt?

[Niall_Quinn]

Actually don't know what's happening in Sri Lanka. But it seems important. I'm starting to read. You should do to. Will help you when the BBC posts something.

[Letters]

:fury:

Just went for a walk. There's a field near us, I was walking across it and this quote chunky dog came up to me twice barking aggressively. It didn't actually attack me, but it wasn't being friendly.

The owner then chided me for walking across the "dog field" and said I should have gone around.

OK, couple of things there, dude.

1) Even if it was a dog field, there will be other dogs and owners around so you still need to control your dog.
2) It isn't a bloody dog field, there's literally a playground in it, kids and parents come through there all the time.

Stupid bastard! Either get that dog trained before it hurts someone and then gets destroyed, or if you really need to be the "big man" with an attack dog then:
1) You're a prick
2) Keep the bastard thing on a lead then.

Gaah! :angry:

[GP]

If you have a dog but haven't bothered to train it with consistant recall, you should never let it off it's lead.

Punishment should be firing squad.

[LDG]

A jack russell isn’t an attack dog though tbf. Though I suppose size is relative

[Letters]

<_<

:p

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62175556

This is all awful of course and I do "get" the parents' desire to fight for their child. But what are they really fighting for any more?
The kid has no quality of life and, by all accounts, no prospect of recovery.
It's all very sad but at some point the parents have to face the reality of the situation.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62175556

This is all awful of course and I do "get" the parents' desire to fight for their child. But what are they really fighting for any more?
The kid has no quality of life and, by all accounts, no prospect of recovery.
It's all very sad but at some point the parents have to face the reality of the situation.

Let’s be fair, this is Darwinism in action

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62217263

The system works!

Good guys with guns :bow:

[Mac76]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62175556

This is all awful of course and I do "get" the parents' desire to fight for their child. But what are they really fighting for any more?
The kid has no quality of life and, by all accounts, no prospect of recovery.
It's all very sad but at some point the parents have to face the reality of the situation.

agree, personally i'd want them rest in peace

[Letters]

It's coming home :scarf:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62292162

[Mac76]

They should have it in Leeds, they love Europe up there and are really cosmopolitan, so i'm sure all the attendees will get a nice friendly reception from the locals

[Letters]

Cribbins :rose:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62330478

That’s this year’s Bowie :(

[Letters]

Oh DO sod off

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62389726

Sorry, but as sad as this all is the parents are being selfish. They claim to be thinking of the boy but in reality they’re just thinking of themselves and are unable to accept the reality of the situation. And, worse, they are hogging resources which would be put to better use with patients who have a chance of recovery

[Mac76]

agreed

[GP]

The kid is dead. It's time to let go.

[HCZ_Reborn]

He’s brain dead and by the sound of it he wasn’t too smart to begin with. He’s an empty meat bag that’s awaiting a Darwin Award

[Niall_Quinn]

He’s brain dead and by the sound of it he wasn’t too smart to begin with. He’s an empty meat bag that’s awaiting a Darwin Award

Are you talking about that child? I'm not around here much so I could be getting the wrong end of the conversation. But if I'm right, you have a serious mental problem going on. A burning anger against all humanity. You could say the same about me, but I direct my anger against adults who have made choices. But this is a child you re talking about, right?

Sorry if I got that all wrong.

[Letters]

I think what HCZ is getting at is he possibly ended up in hospital after taking part in some TikTok blackout challenge or something. Which does make him an idiot if true. But he’s a 12 year old boy, they’re all idiots. It doesn’t usually cost them their lives, thankfully. In this case it has, sadly.

My annoyance is directed towards the parents. I am sympathetic and can’t begin to imagine how hard this is for them. But they are now prolonging the kid’s suffering - although it’s probable he can no longer feel pain, so maybe not. But it feels increasingly that their actions are motivated by their inability to accept the reality of the situation. They are thinking of themselves, not the kid. At best they are using resources that could be better spent helping patients with some prospect of recovery.

[Xhaka Can’t]

He’s brain dead and by the sound of it he wasn’t too smart to begin with. He’s an empty meat bag that’s awaiting a Darwin Award

Jesus Christ.

From what I’ve read, the poor boy is already dead. But what the actual fuck is wrong with you?

My heart goes out to him and his parents that cling to and fight for the slightest glimmer of hope.

I don’t know, nor do I ever want to know how I as a parent would feel in that situation.

What a heartless shitbag that post makes you out to be.

[dazthegooner]

Well, it looks like the mother is now appealing to the ECHR https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62403993

[Letters]

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-latest-in-the-archie-battersbee-case/

This is quite a good article about it all

[HCZ_Reborn]

Are you talking about that child? I'm not around here much so I could be getting the wrong end of the conversation. But if I'm right, you have a serious mental problem going on. A burning anger against all humanity. You could say the same about me, but I direct my anger against adults who have made choices. But this is a child you re talking about, right?

Sorry if I got that all wrong.

I can tolerate a lot of things from you but please spare me your sanctimony

If the child was mine would I take a different view? Yes of course but your outrage isn’t going to reverse the state the child is in nor dispute the fact that the only use the child is to anyone is a warning to any other child wishing to engage in similar antics.
I have zero malice towards the child and nothing I said suggests that the child deserved it.

I even have no issue towards the mother she is in grief related denial, but why exactly are we indulging this?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Jesus Christ.

From what I’ve read, the poor boy is already dead. But what the actual fuck is wrong with you?

My heart goes out to him and his parents that cling to and fight for the slightest glimmer of hope.

I don’t know, nor do I ever want to know how I as a parent would feel in that situation.

What a heartless shitbag that post makes you out to be.

But you’re not in that situation are you? Would I feel different if I was the child’s parent of course I would, and unlike Letters despite finding her legal battles vexatious they are understandable.

But It’s funny how we live in an age where stating facts gets people upset. The child is brain dead, the circumstances of this were caused by his own youthful stupidity (and no stating that doesn’t in anyway state that he deserved what happened) and your salty tears won’t bring him back to sentience

[Niall_Quinn]

I can tolerate a lot of things from you but please spare me your sanctimony

If the child was mine would I take a different view? Yes of course but your outrage isn’t going to reverse the state the child is in nor dispute the fact that the only use the child is to anyone is a warning to any other child wishing to engage in similar antics.
I have zero malice towards the child and nothing I said suggests that the child deserved it.

I even have no issue towards the mother she is in grief related denial, but why exactly are we indulging this?

I didn't claim you said anyone deserved anything. I was observing the degree to which you'd fallen below what I would consider the minimum baseline of humanity. Once you reach that depth then nothing much else matters.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I didn't claim you said anyone deserved anything. I was observing the degree to which you'd fallen below what I would consider the minimum baseline of humanity. Once you reach that depth then nothing much else matters.

I did not state you had made that claim I was stating only that I didn’t believe that and nor do I believe that in stating admittedly callously the facts that I’ve shown any malice towards this child.

[Letters]

Holy shit that’s a confusing post to parse

[mandela8]

I did not state you had made that claim I was stating only that I didn’t believe that and nor do I believe that in stating admittedly callously the facts that I’ve shown any malice towards this child.

You're a fuckin cunt, man.

That's basically the problem here.

[The Wengerbabies]

Never heard of the blackout challenge, should I try it?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Never heard of the blackout challenge, should I try it?

Sure, in your case what’s the worst that could happen.

[HCZ_Reborn]

You're a fuckin cunt, man.

That's basically the problem here.

I don’t get the point you’re making, of course I’m a Cunt

But you’re a complete and total Cunt yet I don’t see it as a problem

[Letters]

This place is a million times better since mandela and HCZ came back :lol:
In other news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62403993

I do think they (the powers that be) are being dicks denying the move to a hospice. They’re saying there are “risks”, what risks? It’s not going to change the final outcome. Although I think the family have wasted resources denying the reality of the situation, and possibly prolonged the kid’s suffering, they should be allowed to say goodbye the way they want.

[Niall_Quinn]

I did not state you had made that claim I was stating only that I didn’t believe that and nor do I believe that in stating admittedly callously the facts that I’ve shown any malice towards this child.

Fuck. And I thought my inadvertent tautology when referencing a minimum baseline was a self inflicted wound. Well, whatever you meant above continues to shift the focus from yourself to the child. I was talking about you and your incidental usage of a child to convey bitterness and resentment towards, I assume, a broader issue. "...but why exactly are we indulging this?", is the primary clue. That's a worthwhile question. The callous exaggeration used to draw attention to that question is what interested me. Save it for the media and social media and the opinionated experts in other peoples business who thrive on sensationalism, especially when underpinned by grief. On that we could agree and we could ask why we ever indulge such people.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Fuck. And I thought my inadvertent tautology when referencing a minimum baseline was a self inflicted wound. Well, whatever you meant above continues to shift the focus from yourself to the child. I was talking about you and your incidental usage of a child to convey bitterness and resentment towards, I assume, a broader issue. "...but why exactly are we indulging this?", is the primary clue. That's a worthwhile question. The callous exaggeration used to draw attention to that question is what interested me. Save it for the media and social media and the opinionated experts in other peoples business who thrive on sensationalism, especially when underpinned by grief. On that we could agree and we could ask why we ever indulge such people.

Whilst I love these lofty principles you appear to have, do you really care?.

I absolutely get what you’re saying that given that it’s a child and not an adult in this predicament makes it more raw. But the difference is, the vitriol you show on a constant basis is based on some sense of righteous indignation about society and it’s undeserving gatekeepers.
Where as I assure you my attitude comes purely from indifference, the child is not a relative of mine he’s not a relative of anyone I know or care about and as far as I’m aware I’m not responsible for his current state so I have absolutely no emotional tie by which to speak about him with anything other than dismissal.
Neither is his current state attributable to adult cruelty such as this nine year old girl stabbed to death or the child who was a victim of both abuse and neglect at the hands of parents, step parents and an incompetent social services.
These kids do provoke a lot of sadness from me, and a lot of hostility towards their supposed care givers