"Currants Bw..."

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62424659

I now think the court system are being dicks about this.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62424659

I now think the court system are being dicks about this.


I can’t see what difference it makes at this point, this child by any rational metric has been dead for almost four months

And his own body is going through a process of organ necrosis. There’s no argument to be made of the child being allowed to pass away in more comfortable circumstances because he’s no longer at a point where he can register comfort/discomfort or distress.
People took great exception to my comments earlier in the week, either because they are parents themselves or because they are allowing themselves to be emotionally incontinent. But at this point the only consideration is the emotional well-being of the parents, would it hurt to allow the child to die in a hospice?. Well that depends on whether the demands on staff would detract from children who may still be dying but the difference is compassionate care will make a difference to them.

[Ollie the Optimist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-62424659

I now think the court system are being dicks about this.

Are they?

As the article says, the court is only interested in what is in his best interests (not that of hopsital or parents ) and if the risk that moving him means he dies in the ambulance or it causes him more pain, they are not going to allow it.

The whole case is tragic and its impossible to know how hard it is for the parents but i think the court system is working well here.

[Letters]

What can sensibly said to be in the best interests of a child who by all medical accounts has long since died by any reasonable definition of the term? The parents have in my view failed to accept this reality for too long, whilst I acknowledge how hard that must be.
But it’s pretty likely that he can no longer feel pain so the worst that can happen if they transfer him is he’d die. Given that that is the sadly inevitable outcome in all this anyway, it doesn’t feel like much of a risk. If that gives the parents the goodbye that any parent surely deserves then isn’t that the right thing.
It is right that the courts advocate for a child who can’t make decisions for themselves when there is a dispute between the parents and medical experts, but in this case when the outcome is certain the parents wishes about how and where that happens should surely be accounted for - unless the move would cause the boy further distress but I fear he is now beyond that.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The Saga is done with, the boy is now officially dead (even though he’s been technically dead for four months)

My callousness aside I would not wish that scenario on any parent, and the mother fighting tooth and nail for her child was totally understandable if futile.

[mandela8]

My callousness aside I would not wish that scenario on any parent, and the mother fighting tooth and nail for her child was totally understandable if futile.

I wish it on you, tbh.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I wish it on you, tbh.

Just as well I don’t have a child then

Anyway what’s up with you? Still feeling salty because the midget called you racist?

[mandela8]

Just as well I don’t have a child then

Anyway what’s up with you? Still feeling salty because the midget called you racist?

Meant you specifically, mate.

Would never wish such a thing on a kid.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Meant you specifically, mate.

Would never wish such a thing on a kid.

Oh right got you…that’s alright then

Well I definitely want to be there if they ever pull the plug on you

I’ll get some fat cunt in a Tam O’Shanter to play you out with “Flowers of the Forest” on the bagpipes

[Letters]

I don’t know what a Tam O’Shanter is but happy to get one and learn the bagpipes :good:

Having thought about the request for a hospice move, it actually sounds like he would have died in transit. If so then I can see why they rejected that.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Tried to read The Satanic Verses one time. Couldn't get on with it at all.

As strange as it is to reply to a five year old post, I too found it impenetrable. Old Salman has a very eloquent and poetic use of prose but I’m far too lazy to unpack it all

[Letters]

:blink: How did you even find or remember that post?!

[HCZ_Reborn]

:blink: How did you even find or remember that post?!

I was browsing through to see if stuff I posted on my dead account still existed and happened across it by chance

[Letters]

Sandy :rose:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62472100

[HCZ_Reborn]

Sandy :rose:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62472100

Xanadu!!!

[Globalgunner]

I would have liked to get physical with her back in the day.

[Mac76]

did anyone else prefer Sandy before she turned into someone normally seen chatting to guys through car windows at 2am?

https://thedisneyodyssey.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/olivia-newton-john-grease-sandy.jpg

[Letters]

I actually do have "an issue" with Grease. Great show and film and everything, but yeah the message at the end is basically "you want to keep a man? get slutty".
Not entirely inaccurate I guess but still, not the ideal message for young girls...

[HCZ_Reborn]

I actually do have "an issue" with Grease. Great show and film and everything, but yeah the message at the end is basically "you want to keep a man? get slutty".
Not entirely inaccurate I guess but still, not the ideal message for young girls...

:haha: Shut up you Tart!

[Letters]

An excellent and well thought out response. Well done :good:

[HCZ_Reborn]

An excellent and well thought out response. Well done :good:

It’s a film who gives a shit, you either prefer ONJ as the buttoned up 1950s house wife attire pure and innocent or you prefer her wearing enough hairspray to incapacitate a small crowd and a figure hugging black leather pants and top smoking.

Oh it creates the wrong impression for women on how they should dress to get a guy?

Again are you a woman? (That’s not a rhetorical question by the way)

[Letters]

Again are you a woman? (That’s not a rhetorical question by the way)
No :lol:

You don't think the things people watch/see/read have an influence?
Course they do, that's why they make adverts.

Look, this isn't the worst thing, I just don't like the message it sends to young girls.

[HCZ_Reborn]

No :lol:

You don't think the things people watch/see/read have an influence?
Course they do, that's why they make adverts.

Look, this isn't the worst thing, I just don't like the message it sends to young girls.

I think a) the influence is overstated and b) it’s a woman’s problem not mine. I’m all up for equality but it doesn’t mean I have to give a shit about “women’s issues” that’s the trade off, that modern feminists are trying to backslide on that agreement by saying men must do this that or the other….it all falls apart.

[Letters]

Briggs :rose:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62490170

[Letters]

I think a) the influence is overstated and b) it’s a woman’s problem not mine. I’m all up for equality but it doesn’t mean I have to give a shit about “women’s issues” that’s the trade off, that modern feminists are trying to backslide on that agreement by saying men must do this that or the other….it all falls apart.

It's nothing to do with equality or feminism. I just think there's a general principle that young people, who I'd suggest are more influenced that most, should have positive messages rather than negative.
Like I said, it's not that big a deal. It just rankles a bit.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It's nothing to do with equality or feminism. I just think there's a general principle that young people, who I'd suggest are more influenced that most, should have positive messages rather than negative.
Like I said, it's not that big a deal. It just rankles a bit.

Maybe the issue is that we rely on media to instill morality

It’s the same as expecting sport stars to be role models. Years ago it was expected that footballers would be sub human degenerates who gamble, drink and whore their way through their career. Now they are all bland and lacking in character.

Young girls are far more influenced by their peers, that’s why trans is now as much a product of social contagion as self harming and anorexia were.

Plus you seem to be missing one key point, you’re talking about a film that is almost 45 years ago and purporting to take place in the 1950s. Even the thickest child can see that the value system isn’t contemporary.

[Mac76]

Briggs :rose:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62490170

just saw that - gutted :( RIP :rose:

[Letters]

Maybe the issue is that we rely on media to instill morality
I don't expect them to, but like it or not it has an influence.


Young girls are far more influenced by their peers
That is certainly true.


Plus you seem to be missing one key point, you’re talking about a film that is almost 45 years ago and purporting to take place in the 1950s. Even the thickest child can see that the value system isn’t contemporary.

Well yeah, that's a fair point.

[Mac76]

how likely is it really to see a child say "huh, that sucks, the value system isn’t contemporary" :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

how likely is it really to see a child say "huh, that sucks, the value system isn’t contemporary" :lol:

Are you being facetious or are you actually that dim?

[Mac76]

Are you being facetious or are you actually that dim?

Just someone witb a sense of humour - look it up

[Letters]

:handbags:

[Mac76]

:handbags:

:lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

Christ, it makes my skin crawl when these two start gorging and swallowing.

[Letters]

No-one is forcing you to watch, sweetie :mwah:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Just someone witb a sense of humour - look it up

Well in fairness to me, It can create confusion when you’re about as funny as a paediatric oncology ward

[HCZ_Reborn]

Christ, it makes my skin crawl when these two start gorging and swallowing.

What actually are you on about, are you watching hippos in a watering hole?

[Letters]

Well in fairness to me, It can create confusion when you’re about as funny as a paediatric oncology ward

:haha:

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

This sun is playing havoc with my liver.

Beer gardens :bow:

[Letters]

Something something correlation something causation something.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

:lol:

Well you may have a point there.

Still, beer gardens :bow:

[Letters]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/11/somerset-adorable-baby-beavers-are-named-after-englands-lionesses-17165052

:lol:

Make up your own jokes :d

[Niall_Quinn]

What actually are you on about, are you watching hippos in a watering hole?

No, though that would be far more dignified and less upsetting on the stomach.

[Letters]

https://i.ibb.co/qnTVRZ3/AbeCloud.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

https://i.ibb.co/qnTVRZ3/AbeCloud.jpg

Helps to avert my eyes while you're rimming mac.

[HCZ_Reborn]

No, though that would be far more dignified and less upsetting on the stomach.

Oh the two fun boys rimming each other. You probably shouldn’t sit there watching

[Niall_Quinn]

Oh the two fun boys rimming each other. You probably shouldn’t sit there watching

Hard to avoid them if registered here. Doesn't seem to be a filter.

[Letters]

There is literally an ignore feature :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

There is literally an ignore feature :lol:

I meant a filter that blocks gay porn but would still allow me to read your other stuff.

[Letters]

Oh I see. Fair enough, no we don’t have that :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

As strange as it is to reply to a five year old post, I too found it impenetrable. Old Salman has a very eloquent and poetic use of prose but I’m far too lazy to unpack it all

Salman has been stabbed (presumably by some scumbag Islamist)

I hope he recovers and they arrest the cunt that did it

[Letters]

Cripps playing the long game :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

So, Jerry Sadowitz has just had his show cancelled by the venue, but it isn’t censorship.

Were the people who complained about the material kidnapped and forced to watch? Who the fuck goes to a Jerry Sadowitz gig and subsequently complains about the material?

What in the actual fuck were they expecting?

We’re heading to bland hell in a handcart.

“The Pleasance declined to give detail about what aspects of Sadowitz's material led to the cancellation.
Its director, Anthony Alderson, added: "The Pleasance is a venue that champions freedom of speech and we do not censor comedians' material.”

What fucking horse shit, they’ve just trampled all over freedom of speech!

Absolute cunts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-62533592

[Letters]

Aye. I saw that story. And I agree it's bullshit. It's like the furore over that Jimmy Carr joke - which I can't even remember now.
The point being that Carr special was on Netflix last Christmas and the "story" only blew up months later when a few people decided it was offensive.
Well don't watch a Jimmy Carr special then, what were you expecting? :doh:
As Jimmy Carr noted at the time, he's not going round shouting this stuff through people's letterboxes.
And yeah, how they can with a straight face say they're a champion of free speech while cancelling a show because some people complained and in the show views were expressed (almost certainly not in a serious way - it's a comedy show) which they didn't approve of... :doh:

[Letters]

Also. Rushdie :bow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62537389

Cripps :pal:

[Xhaka Can’t]

I hope ‘The Satanic Verses’ tops the bestseller list.

[GP]

Hope he makes a speedy recovery. The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe is one of my favourite books.

[Letters]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/cnns-jeffrey-toobin-leaves-network-27731058

:lol:

[WMUG]

Got the keys to the house on Friday, now officially a homeowner*! (Daddy :bow: )

Got til the end of the month to make it liveable before we have to move in.

*If you count having a mortgage as ownership rather than just renting from the bank and having to do all your own maintenance

[Letters]

If you count having a mortgage as ownership rather than just renting from the bank and having to do all your own maintenance
I do.

And well done you. And well done daddy.

[Marc Overmars]

Nothing like buying your first home. Legit one of the most satisfying days of my life tbf.

[Letters]

Nothing like buying your first home. Legit one of the most satisfying days of my life tbf.

Someone's too young to remember Anfield 89 :d

[Letters]

Darius :rose:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/08/16/darius-campbell-danesh-dead-pop-idol-star-dies-aged-41-17193686

That's this year's Bowie. Seriously though, 41 :(

[Globalgunner]

One of the kids from Musical Youth too died recently. Cant put my head around that. I was hearing "Pass the Dutchie" for a whole year while in Uni. They must have been like 10 years old then


First your heroes die, then your parents....then guess who`s next?:(

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-62576062

Sturgeon calls this behaviour disgusting after her and her party spend years fermenting it

The joke is their supporters call themselves Anti Tory but they support a party which is equally every inch a cabal of thugs and crooks.

[Niall_Quinn]

There is no such thing as a BBC journalist.

[mandela8]

There is no such thing as a BBC journalist.

Now that we can agree on.

[WMUG]

NQ is a sockpuppet.

And not in the way you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDQXFNWuZj8

[Letters]

:lol:

Cockpuppet, more like :ninja:

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ is a sockpuppet.

And not in the way you think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDQXFNWuZj8

Oh yes? For whom?

I did click on the video but then some guy started singing so I clicked off. I figure I can let you do you own talking instead of relying on "some guy on the internet".

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62609217

I wonder if he'll get bummed by Eight Gays A Week.


:cool:

[WMUG]

Oh yes? For whom?

I did click on the video but then some guy started singing so I clicked off. I figure I can let you do you own talking instead of relying on "some guy on the internet".

Mate watch the video :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Oh great, Gippos have set up a funfair across the road from me

Field isn’t even big enough for that shit. Honestly local council, bunch of cunts

[Marc Overmars]

Oh great, Gippos have set up a funfair across the road from me

Field isn’t even big enough for that shit. Honestly local council, bunch of cunts

Better than Gippos actually setting up home down the road from you. We had about 10 caravans turn up at the sports field which is a 5 min walk from me. Absolute vermin, thank fuck the police were on to it quickly. Had a hard time explaining to the boy why we couldn’t go and have a kick about and play in the park for a couple of weeks. :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-62642060

Fucking hell what kind of pond life shoots a child

Let’s hope he doesn’t have a safe place to hide

[Letters]

Yeah. He's going to have a super-fun time in prison.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m not a believer in the death penalty but equally I wouldn’t lose any sleep over a thing like that dangling at the end of a rope

Apparently the girls mother could hear gun shots (loud bangs) and opened the door to see what was going on, guy being chased by gunman barged his way into the house to get away from the shooter and the shooter just blasting away indiscriminately even though the woman tried to use her body weight and the door to stop him getting in and her little girl was hit by stray bullets as was she in the hand.

Revolting, anyone harbouring that guy is as despicable as him in my book

[Globalgunner]

The guy being chased is the clue to the whole thing. Did the cops at least catch him?

[HCZ_Reborn]

The guy being chased is the clue to the whole thing. Did the cops at least catch him?

Oh yeah, he’s got several bullet holes in him apparently, so is currently in hospital. I couldn’t gleam what condition he was in but you can’t imagine he’s too clever. Hopefully he doesn’t die before he has a chance to identify who did it

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Yeah that's what I was hearing this morning, and it seems confirmed now that the mother and daughter have literally nothing to do with any of this.
I've heard different things on the state of the guy they were chasing, from shot in the head and unlikely to make it through, to just wounded. I'm guessing this is linked to the shooting a couple of days before.

It's utterly fucking horrifying. Utter scum.

[Niall_Quinn]

Criminals in the government, the permanent state and the corporate energy cabal are set to announce further price increases of up to 80% on October 1st in the coordinated and continuing bid to force the middle class into poverty, kill off as many of the poor as possible and stuff the wallets of the establishment and monopolist profiteers. The trend is predicted to continue through April 2023 when energy prices will finally be forced beyond the reach of around 25% of the poorest and most deprived in society. Meanwhile a similar drive to force starvation on the poor is in a late stage of development as farmers across the west suffer sustained attack. Nitrogen is the latest gas to be targeted by the climate nutters, leaving just hydrogen and oxygen as nutter approved gases.

[Niall_Quinn]

Even if you go with the Russian excuse and accept that Russia is in Africa, Russia has now won the proxy war in Ukraine, as was inevitable. So drop the self harming sanctions, prevent people falling into poverty and freezing or starving to death and prevent the Russian economy from continuing to go from strength to strength. I mean that's what you'd do if the primary reason for government is service to the people, right?

But what if the primary reason for government was something else? Is that possible? Based on 100% of the evidence, for example?

[Globalgunner]

Even if you go with the Russian excuse and accept that Russia is in Africa, Russia has now won the proxy war in Ukraine, as was inevitable. So drop the self harming sanctions, prevent people falling into poverty and freezing or starving to death and prevent the Russian economy from continuing to go from strength to strength. I mean that's what you'd do if the primary reason for government is service to the people, right?

But what if the primary reason for government was something else? Is that possible? Based on 100% of the evidence, for example?

Nah. Ukraine is winning, best to double down or triple down till Putin comes begging

[Letters]

Is anyone winning?
And I raise an eyebrow at anyone who things that the powers that be are anywhere near competent enoug to coordinate some Machiavellian strategy. People will of course benefit from this stuff like they did with Covid, but they just happened to be in the right industry at the right time. They’re way too inept to have planned any of it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is anyone winning?
And I raise an eyebrow at anyone who things that the powers that be are anywhere near competent enoug to coordinate some Machiavellian strategy. People will of course benefit from this stuff like they did with Covid, but they just happened to be in the right industry at the right time. They’re way too inept to have planned any of it.

It's rather obvious who's winning, I would have thought. If you mean "winning" in terms of pins stuck on BBC maps and breathless (almost sexual) tales of glorious resistance then it might look a bit confused and muddy.

But the $70billion is an easy enough win to decipher. And the Russian economy versus, say, the German economy and the economic outlook is a clue. Then there's your energy bill, if you can't figure out who's winning that one you must surely have twigged who's losing?

No, no, the winners and losers are easy to figure out. Same winners as always, same losers as always.

But, as you say, it's all accidental so there's nothing we the people can do about it. Nor should we try, or even think about trying. Nanny state will soon change her spots and throw us a crumb, to rapturous cheers of gratitude no doubt.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Even if you go with the Russian excuse and accept that Russia is in Africa, Russia has now won the proxy war in Ukraine, as was inevitable. So drop the self harming sanctions, prevent people falling into poverty and freezing or starving to death and prevent the Russian economy from continuing to go from strength to strength. I mean that's what you'd do if the primary reason for government is service to the people, right?

But what if the primary reason for government was something else? Is that possible? Based on 100% of the evidence, for example?

You attack our government for being run by criminals who just want to make money yet then say we need to drop sanctions on Russia so we can get their gas etc. yet the Russian government is quite literally run by criminals who profit by taking money away from their citizens.

[Letters]

But, as you say
That’s a strange start to a paragraph in which you go on to write a load of things which I didn’t say.
Come on, dude, you grumble when you feel people misrepresent you so don’t do it to me.


it's all accidental so there's nothing we the people can do about it.
I wouldn’t use the word “accidental”, but I don’t think it’s coordinated to achieve some strategy. The powers that be are far too incompetent for that. As for whether there’s anything we can do, firstly whether we can do anything is not related to whether any of this is coordinated. Secondly, there are things we can do but it would take a huge coordinated effort. If people collectively decide they’re not having it any more and enough stop playing the game then the powers that be will have to act.


Nor should we try, or even think about trying.
Didn’t say that.
I actually think people should do something. I’ve read rumblings of coordinated efforts to cancel direct debits to energy companies. My gut feeling is not enough people will do that to be effective. And, honestly, I’m probably too much of a coward to join in. But a lot of families in this country are going to be screwed so some kind of collective action does feel necessary, unless the government do start helping people.


Nanny state will soon change her spots and throw us a crumb, to rapturous cheers of gratitude no doubt.
Didn’t say that either. But they have done some things. During the pandemic the furlough scheme bailed out a lot of people. I mean, we can discuss whether they should have shut down the entire sodding economy, but given that they did they didn’t just let people starve, they did help people.
There have been some cost of living payments made this year to help with council tax and energy bills. Johnson has made some noises about more things being announced. Whether it’s enough is a different debate but my feeling is they’ll have to do something to help people.

[Xhaka Can’t]

*big fucking sigh*

[Letters]

:lol: Do go on.

[Xhaka Can’t]

There are enough people going on.

[Globalgunner]

You attack our government for being run by criminals who just want to make money yet then say we need to drop sanctions on Russia so we can get their gas etc. yet the Russian government is quite literally run by criminals who profit by taking money away from their citizens.

No dont drop the sanctions. Keep them going for a decade. Russia's economy is doing just fine...whereas in the UK/EU? people are having a great time. Dont wash, dont use the lights, stock up with firewood. Its all going swimmingly.

All your opinions come from the Daily Mail/Telegraph. You cannot name one Russian economic rogue can you?. All the oligarchs were created by Yeltsin when he let the West run amok using proxies to buy up all the valuable assets of the country. They have all since relocated to the west and have now mostly ended up in Israel or the UAE thanks to the current grab on their assets. The world you live in resides in your imagination. If you are one of those who believe Putin is the richest man in the world. how come nobody has been able to seize a dime of his assets?. Where exactly are they?

[Xhaka Can’t]

No dont drop the sanctions. Keep them going for a decade. Russia's economy is doing just fine...whereas in the UK/EU? people are having a great time. Dont wash, dont use the lights, stock up with firewood. Its all going swimmingly.

All your opinions come from the Daily Mail/Telegraph. You cannot name one Russian economic rogue can you?. All the oligarchs were created by Yeltsin when he let the West run amok using proxies to buy up all the valuable assets of the country. They have all since relocated to the west and have now mostly ended up in Israel or the UAE thanks to the current grab on their assets. The world you live in resides in your imagination. If you are one of those who believe Putin is the richest man in the world. how come nobody has been able to seize a dime of his assets?. Where exactly are they?

The problem is, if he listed a top 100 list of economic rogues, you’d just ignore it.

[Globalgunner]

The problem is, if he listed a top 100 list of economic rogues, you’d just ignore it.

I dont create reality. and you cannot make it so.

Who is more corrupt. The country that spends 800b a year on defence and cannot keep up with the nation that spends less than a 10th of that?
Halliburton supplying $300 toilet seats during the Iraq war ring a bell....or was it $3000

NASA buying Russian rockets because they cannot make their own cheap enough and taking rides on Russian transport. Yeah, thats reality.

[Xhaka Can’t]

And away you go!

[Letters]

All your opinions come from the Daily Mail/Telegraph.
Where do yours come from?
Just because you read different things, it doesn’t make you a “free thinker”.
Just because a source isn’t mainstream, that doesn’t make it true, free from bias or without an agenda.

[Globalgunner]

Mine aren't opinions. Russia winning the war on the ground isnt an opinion. Its fact

Europe suffering from its own sanctions isnt an opinion. Its fact

Winter is coming...thats also a fact

[Letters]

Mine aren't opinions. Russia winning the war on the ground isnt an opinion. Its fact
If it’s a fact then you should be able to back it up with some data from a reliable source.

[Globalgunner]

You.are frankly quite amusing. Do you need facts to believe in God.?

[Letters]

Didn’t think so :good:

[Xhaka Can’t]

You.are frankly quite amusing. Do you need facts to believe in God.?

Letters’ faith is just that, faith.

You claim to have facts. Let’s hear them.

[Letters]

Do you need facts to believe in God.?
You don’t really deserve a reply, but…holy false equivalence, Batman!
The statement that “there is a God” is a completely different type of statement than “Russia is winning the war”. Both have a truth value but the truth value of the first one can’t be known. The truth value of the latter I’d suggest is hard to know definitely. Well, unless Ukraine was almost entirely occupied by Russia, or Ukraine had all but expelled them from the country. Neither of those things is the case as far as I know. But if Russia are really winning then you should be able to provide some data to back that up.

[Globalgunner]

The facts are there on the ground Ukraine has already lost 30% of its territory. but you are free to believe whatever makes you happy

[Xhaka Can’t]

The facts are there on the ground Ukraine has already lost 30% of its territory. but you are free to believe whatever makes you happy

Why don’t you just answer that you havent got a fucking clue about elbows and assholes.

[Globalgunner]

Its hurts you that much eh?. Youre in one of the many stages of grief.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Its hurts you that much eh?
That makes no sense.

Consistency is clearly your forte.

[Globalgunner]

That makes no sense.

Consistency is clearly your forte.

As yours is denial


Winter is coming...stock up on firewood

[Xhaka Can’t]

As yours is denial


Winter is coming...stock up on firewood

Do you have learning difficulties?

Serious question.

[Globalgunner]

Back to form. I see you hate hearing news that upsets you. Stay away from Ukraine=Russia issues then

[Xhaka Can’t]

Back to form. I see you hate hearing news that upsets you. Stay away from Ukraine=Russia issues then

Issues…you seem to have them.

[Globalgunner]

Absolutely

C`est fini?

[Xhaka Can’t]

But no facts.

[Globalgunner]

Ill let the facts speak for themselves.

Firewood or 2 coats at the same time. You choose

[GP]

https://news.sky.com/story/princess-dianas-ford-escort-sells-at-auction-for-650000-12683439

Bargain.

Andrew paid £12m to get rid of his escort.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Ill let the facts speak for themselves.

Firewood or 2 coats at the same time. You choose

Are you alright?

[Niall_Quinn]

You attack our government for being run by criminals who just want to make money yet then say we need to drop sanctions on Russia so we can get their gas etc. yet the Russian government is quite literally run by criminals who profit by taking money away from their citizens.

No, I say our government needs to be destroyed and it wouldn't surprise me if many Russians feel the same way about their government. Thought I was crystal clear on that. Which bit confused you?

But if we must play silly games, yes, our criminal government should undo whatever criminal bullshit they pulled so the people they are supposed to represent don't have to suffer extortion by the energy cabal, be it the British Chapter, The European Chapter or the Russian Chapter. Yeah, absolutely, if we are prepared to suffer criminals at home why so coy about getting down with criminals abroad? Explain.

What's it to you if the Russians are occupying their own historical territory? You have a few quid do you? Enough to bravely "fight" on while condemning granny to penury? You'll fight them in the coffee shops, you'll fight them in the pub, and in the prawn sandwich sports bar at the Emirates? You'll go on to the end, no matter what the cost to others might be? You'll never surrender!

As energy prices are set to surpass the threshold at which many can pay, while billions are spent on weapons shipped THROUGH Ukraine for profit - YOU are suddenly concerned about criminals in Russia and the plight of the Russian citizen? Oh really?

The profits for the arms dealers and the energy vultures are a price worth paying?

For what? What is it the people you have indignantly delegated are "fighting" for? Would love to know.

[Niall_Quinn]

But no facts.

Apart from the ones I already provided. Does $70billion not cover it?

Come on. You aren't dumb.

[Niall_Quinn]

That’s a strange start to a paragraph in which you go on to write a load of things which I didn’t say.
Come on, dude, you grumble when you feel people misrepresent you so don’t do it to me.


I wouldn’t use the word “accidental”, but I don’t think it’s coordinated to achieve some strategy. The powers that be are far too incompetent for that. As for whether there’s anything we can do, firstly whether we can do anything is not related to whether any of this is coordinated. Secondly, there are things we can do but it would take a huge coordinated effort. If people collectively decide they’re not having it any more and enough stop playing the game then the powers that be will have to act.


Didn’t say that.
I actually think people should do something. I’ve read rumblings of coordinated efforts to cancel direct debits to energy companies. My gut feeling is not enough people will do that to be effective. And, honestly, I’m probably too much of a coward to join in. But a lot of families in this country are going to be screwed so some kind of collective action does feel necessary, unless the government do start helping people.


Didn’t say that either. But they have done some things. During the pandemic the furlough scheme bailed out a lot of people. I mean, we can discuss whether they should have shut down the entire sodding economy, but given that they did they didn’t just let people starve, they did help people.
There have been some cost of living payments made this year to help with council tax and energy bills. Johnson has made some noises about more things being announced. Whether it’s enough is a different debate but my feeling is they’ll have to do something to help people.

Your comical squint at the world around you comes straight from the comics you devour. If "baddies" can't be shown to be meeting in secret, which by very definition means we don't have evidence of them meeting (because it's a secret), this is "proof" enough there are no "baddies". Which just leaves "goodies", misunderstood as they might be.

So what if the only piece missing is the actual spider at the centre of a clearly defined web?

I'd love to be your accountant. You'd never see a fucking penny but there would always be a set of books, published by me of course, that proved it was all above board - delivered to you personally by me, in a Ferrari. You'd probably buy me lunch to thank me.

[Globalgunner]

Apart from the ones I already provided. Does $70billion not cover it?

Come on. You aren't dumb.

He probably isnt but really just butt hurt that the horse he backed turned out to be lame.

He wants facts to prove that the Russians are winning, after that he wants it proven that the Moon isnt made of Cheese.

He claimed to once have been Luke Skywalker back in the day but now believes Emperor Palpatine was right all along

Alphabet man man also wants facts even though he believes governments are mostly benevolent and only make mistakes, not deliberate plans to screw its own citizens

People this febrile, fragile and precious shouldnt really be arguing in public about existential matters. Its not about winning an argument. Its about facing reality. This isnt a football match. You cant pick a team and stick with them no matter what. That what sociopaths do.


When I posted unadulterated records from the US national archives showing how the highest level of the US apparatus wanted to bomb Miami in the 60`s as a ruse to start an invasion of Cuba they ran away from it like a plague.

Facts eh?

[Xhaka Can’t]

Apart from the ones I already provided. Does $70billion not cover it?

Come on. You aren't dumb.

Wrong account

[Xhaka Can’t]

He probably isnt but really just butt hurt that the horse he backed turned out to be lame.

1. He wants facts to prove that the Russians are winning, after that he wants it proven that the Moon isnt made of Cheese.

2. He claimed to once have been Luke Skywalker back in the day but now believes Emperor Palpatine was right all along

3. Alphabet man man also wants facts even though he believes governments are mostly benevolent and only make mistakes, not deliberate plans to screw its own citizens

4. People this febrile, fragile and precious shouldnt really be arguing in public about existential matters. Its not about winning an argument. Its about facing reality. This isnt a football match. You cant pick a team and stick with them no matter what. That what sociopaths do.


When I posted unadulterated records from the US national archives showing how the highest level of the US apparatus wanted to bomb Miami in the 60`s as a ruse to start an invasion of Cuba they ran away from it like a plague.

Facts eh?

1. You still haven’t produced anything - you told Letters you had facts - not opinions. I never asked for facts from you, but when you said you had some, you should’ve been able to present them. That’s the great thing about facts - they exist, a source can be identified and they are verifiable. All you’ve produced is a word salad from a very disturbed sounding mind.

For future reference, a fact is a proven truth, referring to something true or real. Representation of a fact and its veracity can be enhanced by including reference to its source, supporting evidence (a link will do) and/or documentation so it is not debatable. Now to be fair to you, your word salad is not debatable - but it still doesn’t measure up to being a fact.

2. I have indeed met Mark Hamil.

3. He is the person you told that you had facts - not opinions. Then he went off like a lunatic asking to hear these facts.

4. You are right insofar as this is not a game. Yet you go off on one like a Putin fanboy - I know or can confidently work out your stance on any major issue.

5. Haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about here - but it sure as fuck has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine.

[Globalgunner]

I didnt tell Letters anything

Ignoring his crap is my superpower

You went to sleep yesterday butt hurt and here you are today still the same. In the meantime the Russians are exterminating your Nazi besties

Top of the morning to you.

[Xhaka Can’t]

You stated “facts”.

The guidance in the edited post above provides insight on what is required for your ramblings to measure up as fact.

[Globalgunner]

Keep going.
Ask Aiden Aslin about whose winning or losing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wrong account

Oh get out of it. That's a low one considering you're an admin and can check all that stuff. Yeah, it's a joke. One of those jokes that also carries the benefit of plausible deniability when the seed starts growing in minds not able to access the facts.

The Russians control Donbas, Crimea, elections have been held, independence declared, the Russians have sold more oil and gas this year than last, the Ruble is strong, the Russian, Chinese, Indian partnership is stronger than ever.

Meanwhile, Europe and the States are plunging into recession, citizens are marching towards winter on the breadline, precisely ZERO objectives have been achieved in Ukraine - because, remember, the good guy cover story is we're in this for liberty, not to make money on another proxy war. NATO is seen by more and more muggles in a clearer context as previously forgotten inconveniences like promises to Gorbachev and deals in Minsk get fresh air time.

The facts aren't in dispute, they've been admitted even by the likes of the BBC (the gold standard for propaganda and inversion of reality).

In the context of war the result is plain to see. However, in the never stated context of war profiteering I'd concede, the yanks are well ahead. But aren't they always?

My original post was about the people who have to pay the price for this, the British citizen, the European citizen, the American, the Russian and of course the Ukrainian. I asked if it's possible, now the criminal bastards on all sides have had their latest feast, if shit could be put back in order so people don't starve and/ or freeze this winter.

Flag waving Ollie and see no evil Letters aside, I'm thinking most normal people can see through all this, including you.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://news.sky.com/story/princess-dianas-ford-escort-sells-at-auction-for-650000-12683439

Bargain.

Andrew paid £12m to get rid of his escort.

That's actually quite funny.

[Niall_Quinn]

Where do yours come from?
Just because you read different things, it doesn’t make you a “free thinker”.
Just because a source isn’t mainstream, that doesn’t make it true, free from bias or without an agenda.

THINKING is what makes you a thinker, not the self proclaimed validity of those you nominate to do your thinking for you.

Here's a "source" for you - the London currency exchange. It's neither left nor right, it just is. Plenty of "sources" like that that don't need the veneer of editorial to convey a simple fact.

Your problem is you expect others to be as confined in their reading of events. Simply because you hang on the opinion of third parties as your primary route to interpretation doesn't automatically enforce the same limitations on others.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Keep going.
Ask Aiden Aslin about whose winning or losing.

Just state the fact that your “facts” were indeed your opinions and move on.

There’s a place on message boards for opinions. In fact the vast majority of posts on message boards are opinions.

And that’s ok.

[Xhaka Can’t]

1. Oh get out of it. That's a low one considering you're an admin and can check all that stuff. Yeah, it's a joke. One of those jokes that also carries the benefit of plausible deniability when the seed starts growing in minds not able to access the facts.

2. The Russians control Donbas, Crimea, elections have been held, independence declared, the Russians have sold more oil and gas this year than last, the Ruble is strong, the Russian, Chinese, Indian partnership is stronger than ever.

3. Meanwhile, Europe and the States are plunging into recession, citizens are marching towards winter on the breadline, precisely ZERO objectives have been achieved in Ukraine - because, remember, the good guy cover story is we're in this for liberty, not to make money on another proxy war. NATO is seen by more and more muggles in a clearer context as previously forgotten inconveniences like promises to Gorbachev and deals in Minsk get fresh air time.

4. The facts aren't in dispute, they've been admitted even by the likes of the BBC (the gold standard for propaganda and inversion of reality).

5. In the context of war the result is plain to see. However, in the never stated context of war profiteering I'd concede, the yanks are well ahead. But aren't they always?

6. My original post was about the people who have to pay the price for this, the British citizen, the European citizen, the American, the Russian and of course the Ukrainian. I asked if it's possible, now the criminal bastards on all sides have had their latest feast, if shit could be put back in order so people don't starve and/ or freeze this winter.

7. Flag waving Ollie and see no evil Letters aside, I'm thinking most normal people can see through all this, including you.

1. Come on, no-one here is stupid enough (except maybe, Globalgunner) to be swayed in any way.

2. The Russians annexed Crimea whilst the West held their hands in their pockets and whistled. Now bases in Crimea are being attacked for the first time. Everyone knew Russia thought this conflict was over in days, Kiev would swiftly fall and Zelensky lying on the ground with his corpse there for all to see. Despite this, six months later, the Russians have retreated to the east and are making at the most optimistic, marginal gains. This is despite the Russians having far more resources. A feared military now looks like a joke, led by a psychopath who only receives ‘intelligence’ brightly packaged with what he wants to hear, lest the messenger gets shot.

Being in Ukrainian territory is not an indication of winning a war, if it was, Americans were killing it (not just literally) up until they lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan (as were the USSR) right up until they lost.

Yes, the Russians are weaponising resources, it would be crazy for them not to. But they have been planning the weaponisation of resources (Trump hit the nail right on its head on this one), long before this war - so it was always a question of if not now, but when and for what. Appeasement of him in Ukraine would only mean he played this card somewhere else, perhaps in Poland, the Baltic States, Finland or Sweden.

3. It’s war, you pay a price or you acquiesce. I’m ok with paying more for my gas and electricity. And besides, I know if I wasn’t getting gouged under the pretext of this war, you can bet your ass, I’d be getting bent over and fucked up the ass under some other pretext. It’s been happening all my life. The ‘good guys’ point is moot, at that level, there are no good guys, all you can do is seek out the least worst cunts.

4. ‘Fact’. That word again. The only ‘fact’ here is that none of us knows what the facts are.

5. The Americans will always profiteer. Here they get to do it without putting boots on the ground. A fucking triumph for all those ‘defence’ (is defence the right word for these cunts) companies.

6. Addressed at 3. But yes, here in the West, we’ll suffer through an increased cost of living. Me personally, I’ll balance the books and add my Canada trip on to my recent Greece trip with maybe Ireland squeezed in the middle because I need to sort out some other robbing bastards (but thats another story). Russia can end this now, and the Winter we all are facing doesn’t need to happen. They can get out of Ukraine and Putin can use the vast weaponry at his disposal to con his citizens (we get conned all the time, but at least we have the option of choosing who cons us every once in a while).

7. All that is between you, Ollie and Letters.

[Letters]

Artemis :bow:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdSnREyPRM

[GP]

Artemis :bow:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdSnREyPRM

This CGI is rubbish

[Letters]

This CGI is rubbish

So’s your face :angry:

[Letters]

The facts are there on the ground Ukraine has already lost 30% of its territory.
This is the only actual fact you have presented - and you have provided no source to back it up, but OK let's accept it's true.
So what? After 6 months Russia occupy 30% of Ukraine. Is that more than 3 months ago? Less? That single fact tells you nothing.
If you look up articles on who is winning the war - I've looked at a range - there is no clear answer.
People like you are always far more certain in their stance than they can possibly be in reality.
You act like complex issues with many shades of grey are simple black and white ones.

[Letters]

If "baddies" can't be shown to be meeting in secret, which by very definition means we don't have evidence of them meeting (because it's a secret), this is "proof" enough there are no "baddies". Which just leaves "goodies", misunderstood as they might be.

Well no. I don't really believe in "goodies" and "baddies", that's too simplistic. Some people are obviously more selfish/self-serving/dishonest/corrupt than others, but people are complex, I don't think you can put people in "good" or "bad" categories. The way it comes across is you thinking that the powers that be are twirling their moustaches and laughing evilly at their dastardly plans to crush and oppress us all. You probably don't believe that, but that's how you always come across to me. I don't see any evidence of that. There is no clear direction of travel towards poverty and control over the longer term. People are generally better off than they were, say, a century ago - we don't have slums any more. The NHS, Old Age Pensions, Social Security - none of those things existed a century ago. There are far more things in place to help the least well off than ever existed for most of our history. And sure, the NHS is creaking but it's better than what existed a century ago, which was nothing. In terms of freedoms, I'd suggest people have more rights and freedoms than they did a century ago, an era when women didn't have the vote and being gay was illegal.

I'd expect to see some evidence of the results of those "secret meetings". You see it everywhere you look. I see a bunch of incompetent, often self-serving people responding to world events and mostly making a hash of it. And sure, along the way they'll take the opportunity to enrich themselves and their mates. But lockdown wasn't a "deliberate plan to screw [the UK's] citizens", as I guess GG believes. It wasn't an attempt to oppress and control us as I think you do. It was a response to a situation. The wrong response, sure, but a response none the less. If it was a plan to screw us then why provide the furlough scheme? If it was about control when why have all the restrictions been lifted?


THINKING is what makes you a thinker
Everyone does that.
Your issue is that you have such a deep distrust of the mainstream that anyone who buys into it can't possibly be thinking.
You have such a deep distrust of government - and authority in general - that anyone who thinks they aren't all evil can't possibly be thinking.

The mainstream narrative was that lockdowns were a temporary response by the government to a pandemic. So of course that couldn't be right, the mainstream narrative is wrong, the government are bad. So you saw it as a control mechanism which would be tightened further. But that didn't happen, did it?
Another example was the conversation with the postal worker in the US. We both listened to it but your deep distrust of authority led you to hear an interrogation. I heard a perfectly cordial conversation. So who is right? Well I went though it in some detail at the time, I posted the verbatim quotes which showed that all your claims about it just weren't true.

You massively overestimate your ability to evaluate data because of these biases. We all have biases of course, and I'd admit I'm a little too trusting. But I don't think I'm as extreme in that direction as you are in the other.

[Globalgunner]

All this sophistry and Ukraine is still being ground into dust. Its citizens all beggarly migrants across Europe. The Kiev regime reduced to forcible summonses to join the battle, rugby tackling those who refuse. Soon Ukraine will be a landlocked nation, if Zelensky doesnt lift his nose up from the cocaine lines and see reality.

Truth is this isnt even a war. Russia is not at war with Ukraine otherwise this whole thing would be over in weeks not months. All major cities in Ukraine would have been obliterated if Russia used the Wests template for destroy all you can see. Russia is mindful of history and world perspective and most of the planet outside the US indoctrinated "West" sees this. A recent vote at the UN to condemn Russia was rejected, 141 votes against 58.....favour of Russia. So both on the ground and in world opinion Russia is winning. Its economy is strong and all the many of the hysterical business entities that complied with the silent edict to quit Russia are slinking back quietly. Ruble at 53 now when it was over 80 in February. The goal of de Nazifying Ukraine is on track. Europe's economy is teetering on recession across the board. Even your good buddies the Norwegians wont cut you a sweetheart deal on gas. The usually pliant Saudis are saying no to even phone calls. Turkey is playing the joker in the pack in NATO and Hungary is using its EU veto wisely

Ukraine is losing its land, its male genetic pool and its viability as a nation. "Winning"

The world is weaning itself off the confidence trick that is the US dollar..."Winning"

Boudicca Truss is about to lead the UK to a glorious future...."Winning"

The Dumb Dems are soon to be dumped for the repugnant Repubs...... No win there in reality

Any way you look at it, thats a lot of winning

Facts are being made real on the ground.

[GP]

Artemis :bow:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdSnREyPRM

There's a bok by Andy Weir, author of The Martian, called Artemis. It's about a manned base on the moon. I wonder if it's a coincidence?

[Xhaka Can’t]

All this sophistry and Ukraine is still being ground into dust. Its citizens all beggarly migrants across Europe. The Kiev regime reduced to forcible summonses to join the battle, rugby tackling those who refuse. Soon Ukraine will be a landlocked nation, if Zelensky doesnt lift his nose up from the cocaine lines and see reality.

Truth is this isnt even a war. Russia is not at war with Ukraine otherwise this whole thing would be over in weeks not months. All major cities in Ukraine would have been obliterated if Russia used the Wests template for destroy all you can see. Russia is mindful of history and world perspective and most of the planet outside the US indoctrinated "West" sees this. A recent vote at the UN to condemn Russia was rejected, 141 votes against 58.....favour of Russia. So both on the ground and in world opinion Russia is winning. Its economy is strong and all the many of the hysterical business entities that complied with the silent edict to quit Russia are slinking back quietly. Ruble at 53 now when it was over 80 in February. The goal of de Nazifying Ukraine is on track. Europe's economy is teetering on recession across the board. Even your good buddies the Norwegians wont cut you a sweetheart deal on gas. The usually pliant Saudis are saying no to even phone calls. Turkey is playing the joker in the pack in NATO and Hungary is using its EU veto wisely

Ukraine is losing its land, its male genetic pool and its viability as a nation. "Winning"

The world is weaning itself off the confidence trick that is the US dollar..."Winning"

Boudicca Truss is about to lead the UK to a glorious future...."Winning"

The Dumb Dems are soon to be dumped for the repugnant Repubs...... No win there in reality

Any way you look at it, thats a lot of winning

Facts are being made real on the ground.

https://youtu.be/wKjxFJfcrcA


https://youtu.be/wKjxFJfcrcA

[mandela8]

All this sophistry and Ukraine is still being ground into dust. Its citizens all beggarly migrants across Europe. The Kiev regime reduced to forcible summonses to join the battle, rugby tackling those who refuse. Soon Ukraine will be a landlocked nation, if Zelensky doesnt lift his nose up from the cocaine lines and see reality.

Truth is this isnt even a war. Russia is not at war with Ukraine otherwise this whole thing would be over in weeks not months. All major cities in Ukraine would have been obliterated if Russia used the Wests template for destroy all you can see. Russia is mindful of history and world perspective and most of the planet outside the US indoctrinated "West" sees this. A recent vote at the UN to condemn Russia was rejected, 141 votes against 58.....favour of Russia. So both on the ground and in world opinion Russia is winning. Its economy is strong and all the many of the hysterical business entities that complied with the silent edict to quit Russia are slinking back quietly. Ruble at 53 now when it was over 80 in February. The goal of de Nazifying Ukraine is on track. Europe's economy is teetering on recession across the board. Even your good buddies the Norwegians wont cut you a sweetheart deal on gas. The usually pliant Saudis are saying no to even phone calls. Turkey is playing the joker in the pack in NATO and Hungary is using its EU veto wisely

Ukraine is losing its land, its male genetic pool and its viability as a nation. "Winning"

The world is weaning itself off the confidence trick that is the US dollar..."Winning"

Boudicca Truss is about to lead the UK to a glorious future...."Winning"

The Dumb Dems are soon to be dumped for the repugnant Repubs...... No win there in reality

Any way you look at it, thats a lot of winning

Facts are being made real on the ground.

Fuck me, man.

[Letters]

Fuck me, man.

Aye. He’s a really rubbish NQ tribute act.

[mandela8]

I'm certainly partial to anti establishment sentiment and rhetoric but some people just take it too far to the extreme, ffs.

These 'free thinkers' literally MUST oppose any every perceived establishment position even when it makes them look like idiots/bigots/moronic/insert adjective here.

It's genuinely fuckin bizarre, man.

To have just read someone say Russia has denazified Ukraine as a serious, and seemingly positive, statement is genuinely mind-blowing to me, man.

[Letters]

A recent vote at the UN to condemn Russia was rejected, 141 votes against 58.....favour of Russia.
Do you have a source for that?
The only one I could find with the number 141 was the vote in March which was 141-5 in favour of condemning them.
( https://www.axios.com/2022/03/02/united-nations-ukraine-russia-141 )
What vote are you talking about?

[Globalgunner]

The De-Nazification continues apace. More Banderite supporters eliminated today in Kherson region of Ukraine after a failed Ukraine offensive

The fact that you dont know that the AZOV battalion are a neo Nazi fascist group shows that your media campaign to keep you ignorant of the reality of Ukraine is very successful. They basically ran the country.

When Ukraine runs out of men and mercenaries, maybe the truth will out.

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/XIMAnxwOi6Bp8MnLOs/giphy.gif


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[Letters]

Do you have a source for that?
The only one I could find with the number 141 was the vote in March which was 141-5 in favour of condemning them.
( https://www.axios.com/2022/03/02/united-nations-ukraine-russia-141 )
What vote are you talking about?

In your own time, GG. This was in reference to your claim that


. A recent vote at the UN to condemn Russia was rejected, 141 votes against 58.....favour of Russia.

This is one of your facts, could you provide a source for it?

[GP]

Source: Trust me, bro

[mandela8]

The De-Nazification continues apace. More Banderite supporters eliminated today in Kherson region of Ukraine after a failed Ukraine offensive

The fact that you dont know that the AZOV battalion are a neo Nazi fascist group shows that your media campaign to keep you ignorant of the reality of Ukraine is very successful. They basically ran the country.

When Ukraine runs out of men and mercenaries, maybe the truth will out.

I think most knew that there was a nazi element in Ukraine. Just like there is one in England, Germany, Italy, Russia and many other countries.

The fact you think they "basically ran the country" shows that your anti establishment cult to keep you ignorant of the reality of Ukraine is very successful.

I think even Niall Quinn is a wee bit embarrassed to find himself on "your side" here, ffs.

[Letters]

Source: Trust me, bro

No, be fair. He said he had facts and he’s just presented one.
I’m sure he can back it up with a source and didn’t just make it up.
Facts :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Source: Trust me, bro

Well if you’re vouching for him, that’s good enough for me!

[Globalgunner]

Another day
More Nazi`s exterminated. What else could one ask for. Bleating of lobotomised sheep cannot stop this

Winter is coming. Trust you are enjoying the weather

[Letters]

How's it going finding a source for your claim about the UN vote? That's one of your "facts", right? It's not just something you made up, obviously. So can I see where you got that from? Ta.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I eagerly await the post where he replies that you should look up a fact that he pulled out of his ass.

[Letters]

I'll win conspiracy theory bingo if he tells me to "do my own research"

[Niall_Quinn]

I think most knew that there was a nazi element in Ukraine. Just like there is one in England, Germany, Italy, Russia and many other countries.

The fact you think they "basically ran the country" shows that your anti establishment cult to keep you ignorant of the reality of Ukraine is very successful.

I think even Niall Quinn is a wee bit embarrassed to find himself on "your side" here, ffs.

Have another read of the responses in this thread and notice the pattern. I'm serious. I've enjoyed a lot of your posts and detect a degree of intelligence and sincerity, and I'm not trying to blow smoke up your arse but instead confirm I can spot the difference between intelligence and the human equivalent of AI.

I'm not on anyone's "side" and would hate to imagine anyone is on mine, because I don't have a side and my skin would crawl if I thought a person had too little self respect to follow their own path was trailing along behind me. The post that sparked all this was mine though. I simply asked, now the cunts who started this have banked their profits, could we take some action to spare the little guy from the worst of the consequences? That was my post. I'm one of the little guys btw. Suspect you are too. And the poor fools on here who bow, scrape and grovel certainly aren't part of the jet set. You see how they ignored the main issue and turned it into a, "We're winning, not you", pile of crap? Mad cunts really. Brain damaged.

You'd probably serve yourself to read up on the post Soviet era, particularly in respect to the Eastern European states, before familiarising yourself with the Minsk Accords and the 2014 coup in Ukraine. Perhaps it really does amaze you to hear of modern day Nazis, but once you look at Ukraine you'll find they are still very much with us - at least until Russian troops and Ukrainian separatists put a bullet between their eyes. It's a funny old world where we all can't at least get behind a Nazi getting slotted.

[Niall_Quinn]

1. Come on, no-one here is stupid enough (except maybe, Globalgunner) to be swayed in any way.

2. The Russians annexed Crimea whilst the West held their hands in their pockets and whistled. Now bases in Crimea are being attacked for the first time. Everyone knew Russia thought this conflict was over in days, Kiev would swiftly fall and Zelensky lying on the ground with his corpse there for all to see. Despite this, six months later, the Russians have retreated to the east and are making at the most optimistic, marginal gains. This is despite the Russians having far more resources. A feared military now looks like a joke, led by a psychopath who only receives ‘intelligence’ brightly packaged with what he wants to hear, lest the messenger gets shot.

Being in Ukrainian territory is not an indication of winning a war, if it was, Americans were killing it (not just literally) up until they lost in Vietnam and Afghanistan (as were the USSR) right up until they lost.

Yes, the Russians are weaponising resources, it would be crazy for them not to. But they have been planning the weaponisation of resources (Trump hit the nail right on its head on this one), long before this war - so it was always a question of if not now, but when and for what. Appeasement of him in Ukraine would only mean he played this card somewhere else, perhaps in Poland, the Baltic States, Finland or Sweden.

3. It’s war, you pay a price or you acquiesce. I’m ok with paying more for my gas and electricity. And besides, I know if I wasn’t getting gouged under the pretext of this war, you can bet your ass, I’d be getting bent over and fucked up the ass under some other pretext. It’s been happening all my life. The ‘good guys’ point is moot, at that level, there are no good guys, all you can do is seek out the least worst cunts.

4. ‘Fact’. That word again. The only ‘fact’ here is that none of us knows what the facts are.

5. The Americans will always profiteer. Here they get to do it without putting boots on the ground. A fucking triumph for all those ‘defence’ (is defence the right word for these cunts) companies.

6. Addressed at 3. But yes, here in the West, we’ll suffer through an increased cost of living. Me personally, I’ll balance the books and add my Canada trip on to my recent Greece trip with maybe Ireland squeezed in the middle because I need to sort out some other robbing bastards (but thats another story). Russia can end this now, and the Winter we all are facing doesn’t need to happen. They can get out of Ukraine and Putin can use the vast weaponry at his disposal to con his citizens (we get conned all the time, but at least we have the option of choosing who cons us every once in a while).

7. All that is between you, Ollie and Letters.

Here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR0sO5ozf2s

This is the quality you are consuming. This is why you believe the Russians are in retreat. We may not know what the facts are, but we ought to be smart enough to know what they aren't.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR0sO5ozf2s

This is the quality you are consuming. This is why you believe the Russians are in retreat. We may not know what the facts are, but we ought to be smart enough to know what they aren't.

I can only post what I post because they are my own takes on what I understand about the war. They are honestly held views taking what I can from what is available.

You have no fucking idea what I’m consuming, so you can shut the fuck right up about that.

You have attributed a view to me that I did not express. Where I addressed you point by point.

I never mentioned retreat other than to the East when their original strategy failed. I did however an attack on a Russian base in Crimea.

Edit: Actually it wasn’t me, it was Ukraine that attacked the base.

[Niall_Quinn]

I can only post what I post because they are my own takes on what I understand about the war. They are honestly held views taking what I can from what is available.

You have no fucking idea what I’m consuming, so you can shut the fuck right up about that.

You have attributed a view to me that I did not express. Where I addressed you point by point.

I never mentioned retreat other than to the East when their original strategy failed. I did however an attack on a Russian base in Crimea.

Edit: Actually it wasn’t me, it was Ukraine that attacked the base.

Whoa, dude! "Wrong account?" Pot, kettle?

Actually I have a fair idea of the shit you are consuming based on what you posted. Shit like that can only come from one place. And, btw, I gave you the benefit of the doubt in my reasoning before responding. I assumed you weren't talking about an actual retreat, but the media retreat described in the early weeks as the Russians feinted west while the assault progressed in the east. If you had knowledge of US operations in Iraq that strategy would have been immediately apparent, or even WWII when the Maginot Line was bypassed.

I didn't post up that ludicrous piece by the Sun to impugn your intelligence or ability to think independently, but to warn you it's easy to be misled by those who require people to think in a certain manner, people who very often are too busy getting on with immediate life to be able to delve into the finer details in far away lands.

Even though naming the victor was not the point of the OP, it was merely a statement of the reality that opened up a humanitarian avenue for my main point, now that we have devolved into winners and losers tit-for-tat, can I ask - what is it we are "winning" in Ukraine.

Okay, I accept, Russia is in retreat and Ukraine has prevailed. Now what?

[Letters]

You have no fucking idea what I’m consuming.
Isn’t it mostly beer and Tim Horton’s doughnuts?

:run:

[Niall_Quinn]

Isn’t it mostly beer and Tim Horton’s doughnuts?

:run:

Please make it stop.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Whoa, dude! "Wrong account?" Pot, kettle?

Actually I have a fair idea of the shit you are consuming based on what you posted. Shit like that can only come from one place. And, btw, I gave you the benefit of the doubt in my reasoning before responding. I assumed you weren't talking about an actual retreat, but the media retreat described in the early weeks as the Russians feinted west while the assault progressed in the east. If you had knowledge of US operations in Iraq that strategy would have been immediately apparent, or even WWII when the Maginot Line was bypassed.

I didn't post up that ludicrous piece by the Sun to impugn your intelligence or ability to think independently, but to warn you it's easy to be misled by those who require people to think in a certain manner, people who very often are too busy getting on with immediate life to be able to delve into the finer details in far away lands.

Even though naming the victor was not the point of the OP, it was merely a statement of the reality that opened up a humanitarian avenue for my main point, now that we have devolved into winners and losers tit-for-tat, can I ask - what is it we are "winning" in Ukraine.

Okay, I accept, Russia is in retreat and Ukraine has prevailed. Now what?

Well I made you say “whoa”.

So there’s that.

In all seriousness, what was shit about it?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Globalgunner]

Up until the end of last year most MSM acknowledged the Nazi mania that prevailed in Ukraine. The mafia that hijacked Zelensky, the peace candidate and scared the morality in him and left him a dedicated coke fiend. Now the same media ignore the Nazism, ignore the war crimes and human rights atrocities.

Not being informed and refusing to be informed is your prerogative but not mine. The new campaign in the MSM is "adopt a Nazi, they are only slightly deranged freedom fighters" brought to you by the same people conning you with supporting and arming both sides of literally everywar.

Ukraine eventually will have no other option but to sue for peace and when it happens, Maybe you will be told, maybe even you will accept it actually happened

Meanwhile, dont believe the latest puff pieces about a Ukraine Kherson offensive, it was not a success.

[Letters]

How’s it going finding a source for that UN vote?

[Ollie the Optimist]

So I’m in Mexico.

You have to social distance and wear masks by law when indoors.

Not quite the “covid was never here, live life normally” paradise wengerbabies painted

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKoCmZBMErM

The sheer hypocrisy. As the man to whom the promises were made dies, as the last of those promises is broken, the warmongers crawl forth to issue their tributes. Nauseating.

[Globalgunner]

You aint seen nothing yet

Wait till the witch Hillary conks off. Without children's blood Id give her 5 years at the most. Posthumous Nobel prizes and Pulitzers await her passing

Letters: I ignore your posts. have a little dignity and ignore mine. Your need for self validation is not my daily assignment.

Where is Tweedledum btw. Gone for his daily programming?

[Letters]

Letters: I ignore your posts.
And yet, here you are, having clearly read them. Come on, dude, you deal in facts. You claimed there was a UN vote, it should be easy to provide a source to back that up. We both know you can't, which is why you're not responding. Because it didn't happen. Your claim to deal in facts is bullshit. And you, my good man, are full of shit :good:

:tiphat:

[Globalgunner]

Read and ignore. Different words, different meanings. Someone find him a dictionary

In the meantime....Russia is still winning: fact

[mandela8]

The shiny side of bagels coming out the toaster are, officially, the hottest thing in the known universe.

[Letters]

A recent vote at the UN to condemn Russia was rejected, 141 votes against 58.....favour of Russia.
:lol:

Making things up :bow:
Facts :pal:

[Letters]

The shiny side of bagels coming out the toaster are, officially, the hottest thing in the known universe.

I thought that was the inside of a McDonalds apple pie? :unsure:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I thought that was the inside of a McDonalds apple pie? :unsure:

Alright Alan Partridge

[Letters]

:lol: I do say “It’s hotter than the sun” quite a lot :d

[Globalgunner]

One of the Azov guys had a used Toyota car that he want to get rid of. He asked Boris Johnson what to do.
Johnson told him: just say it is a brand new Mercedes and you will sell it in no time. We'll get the media to say that too, and we'll censor anyone who says any different.
After a week, they meet again.
Boris asks him: "did you sell your car?"
The Azov guy replies: " are you crazy? Do you want me to sell a brand new Mercedes?"

Copied from Youtube

[Letters]

I think our amp has broken.
No surround sound for me till I get a new one :(

#prayforletters

[Globalgunner]

https://www.rt.com/russia/561627-un-ukraine-resolution-support/

Found it

Scrubbed from all western media, even from the UN website.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
William Casey. CIA Director
(from first staff meeting in 1981)

[LDG]

I think our amp has broken.
No surround sound for me till I get a new one :(

#prayforletters

Just get Sonos in, beam and two one SLs will do it.

Either that or go full. Cambridge Audio

[GP]

https://www.rt.com/russia/561627-un-ukraine-resolution-support/

Found it

Scrubbed from all western media, even from the UN website.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
William Casey. CIA Director
(from first staff meeting in 1981)

:lol:

[LDG]

www.trump.com/533340tw-/fakefail

[Xhaka Can’t]

Just get Sonos in, beam and two one SLs will do it.

Either that or go full. Cambridge Audio

I have Sonos Beam and two on SLs - pretty happy with it

[LDG]

I have Sonos Beam and two on SLs - pretty happy with it

Have the same in my lounge, two SLs in the office and a Move for the kitchen :lol:

Music :bow:

[Xhaka Can’t]

SL in the bedroom and Roam in the shed

[Letters]

What’s an SL when it’s at home?

[GP]

Sister Lover

[Letters]

TUT

[Ollie the Optimist]

https://www.rt.com/russia/561627-un-ukraine-resolution-support/

Found it

Scrubbed from all western media, even from the UN website.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
William Casey. CIA Director
(from first staff meeting in 1981)

Scrubbed from all media but i found it on the russian government propaganda channel so that must mean its true.

[Globalgunner]

Scrubbed from all media but i found it on the russian government propaganda channel so that must mean its true.

Do you know there are mass anti govt protests going on in Czech republic right now?

I didnt think so, so its obviously not happening either

Stay dumb. It fits you like a glove

[Letters]

Well that took me 30 seconds

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prague-ap-police-ukraine-russia-b2159112.html

[Globalgunner]

The man who will not be ignored

[Letters]

Ignore, don’t ignore, I don’t care.
I’m just exposing your endless logical inconsistencies. What you do with that is up to you.
First you claimed there was a UN vote but were unable to provide any source to back that up.
Then finally you did but your only source is a Russian Propaganda site. You then conclude that it has been “scrubbed” from MSM, rather than conclude that the vote clearly didn’t happen and the propaganda site was lying.
Then you asked Ollie if he knew about another event - the implication being that bad also been scrubbed from MSM. Took me 30 seconds to find a mainstream source about it, and I picked one from many about the same thing.

Dude, you’re not a “free thinker”, just because you believe propaganda which confirms your agenda.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Do you know there are mass anti govt protests going on in Czech republic right now?

I didnt think so, so its obviously not happening either

Stay dumb. It fits you like a glove

I did.

It was one of the first stories I read when checking the news this morning.

However it’s completely irrelevant to you constantly attacking mainstream media as full of lies while quoting a literal propaganda news outlet as fact

[Niall_Quinn]

I did.

It was one of the first stories I read when checking the news this morning.

However it’s completely irrelevant to you constantly attacking mainstream media as full of lies while quoting a literal propaganda news outlet as fact

You fucking moron. No seriously.

British people are taking out loans to buy food. And they've given up on energy. They are unplugging their fridges and leaving the heating turned off as we head for winter. Especially the elderly.

You fucking cunt.

This is what YOU did. And don't try to squirm out of it. Every time you bent over and puckered up your arsehole - THIS is where it took us.

You really think you have some clue, don't you?

Yet HERE we are.

How do you explain it?

Oh wait - you read the mainstream media and found it to be true. Hall-a-fucking-lujah! We can all go back to lobotomy land now.

How bad does it have to get before privileged cunts like you whimper, eh, steady on guys. Let's stop fucking them so hard.

The fucking mainstream media? Are you serious?

Read it while you butter your scone. It seems so far away right now - but never fear. Soon enough.

[Ollie the Optimist]

You fucking moron. No seriously.

British people are taking out loans to buy food. And they've given up on energy. They are unplugging their fridges and leaving the heating turned off as we head for winter. Especially the elderly.

You fucking cunt.

This is what YOU did. And don't try to squirm out of it. Every time you bent over and puckered up your arsehole - THIS is where it took us.

You really think you have some clue, don't you?

Yet HERE we are.

How do you explain it?

Oh wait - you read the mainstream media and found it to be true. Hall-a-fucking-lujah! We can all go back to lobotomy land now.

How bad does it have to get before privileged cunts like you whimper, eh, steady on guys. Let's stop fucking them so hard.

The fucking mainstream media? Are you serious?

Read it while you butter your scone. It seems so far away right now - but never fear. Soon enough.

Hell of a rant to avoid answering the question. Why is the mainstream media full of lies yet a website run by a literal propaganda regime is the truth?

[Globalgunner]

Have they found those WMD`s yet...or the Kuwaiti babies gutted by Saddams henchmen, or the stacks of Viagra handed out by Ghaddafi to his soldiers for the rape campaign..?. No that didnt come from the mainstream media. Maybe it was just an honest mistake

[Letters]

This is what YOU did.
And what exactly are you doing? Ranting on a messageboard virtually no-one reads? Not voting - whoa, edgy!
What are you actually doing?

Things are pretty bad right now. They were bad in the 70s, 3 day week and all that. Then things got better, now things are getting worse.
Overall till this cost of living crisis the standard of living has been massively better than it was a century ago. There's far more help and support for people than there was then.
You believe the government exist to oppress and control us - hence your hysteria about lockdowns and where that would end, we know how that turned out.

You don't seem to believe any other view to yours is possible other than the government are beyond reproach and there to serve and help us. I mean, that is the idea but no government achieves that, but most aren't the oppressive force you seem to believe, there are many shades of grey. I wonder how you manage to believe what you do while posting on here perfectly freely and going about your day to day business with little or no interference other than abiding by the rules of society.

[Letters]

No that didnt come from the mainstream media.
You're right, it didn't. The WMD dossier was from the government. The MSM reported it. They also reported it when it was found to be a load of lies.
You are continuing to ignore the question here.
You claim a UN vote happened but couldn't provide any evidence. Then, finally, you found a Russia propaganda site which referenced it. You then leap to the conclusion that the news had been "scrubbed" from the MSM rather than considering that a propaganda site might just be lying. You then ask Ollie if he'd seen another story - implying that it had too been "scrubbed" from the MSM. Except it hadn't, Ollie saw it, it took me 30 seconds to find multiple mainstream sources which reported the story.

So... :shrug:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Have they found those WMD`s yet...or the Kuwaiti babies gutted by Saddams henchmen, or the stacks of Viagra handed out by Ghaddafi to his soldiers for the rape campaign..?. No that didnt come from the mainstream media. Maybe it was just an honest mistake

The WMD dossier story was broken by a bbc journalist which then led to the truth coming out.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Oh Gordon Bennett are we really re-litigating the Iraq war

Maybe if you like we can go back to 1991 when the coalition had driven Saddam out of Kuwait and a popular uprising had begun and they begged us for our help to remove Saddam but we chose instead to turn our backs on them and leave them to be tortured and executed by the Baathist’s

Incoming : Multi paragraph explanation on why I’m wrong from NQ or his cheap understudy GG.

[Globalgunner]

You could go back a bit further and how the US actually supplied Saddam with some WMD`s to use on the Iranians

[HCZ_Reborn]

You could go back a bit further and how the US actually supplied Saddam with some WMD`s to use on the Iranians

This is actually true. But I doubt we will disagree much on the short term stupidity of American foreign policy post WW2.

[Ollie the Optimist]

So Russia have said today that all gas supply to Europe will be stopped until the west lifts sanctions.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/05/ftse-100-markets-live-news-oil-russia-gas-euro/

This is odd because NQ said sanctions weren’t doing Russia any harm and they economy was great. If that was the case, why would they stop supplies for the one product Europe keeps paying for until sanctions are gone ?

[Globalgunner]

So Ollie you missed the Sun cost comparison showing how food prices in Russia are all down and those in UK at double digit increases?

Russia doesnt need to sell gas to Europe as it is selling Trillions in energy to others in Asia.

Russia wants the sanctions to go on for another decade, watching Europe collapse under the weight of its own hubris. US LNG at triple costs will save the day no doubt

Latest US/UK/EU gambit is to impose price caps

Another genius move from the free market capitalists

[Ollie the Optimist]

Russia has repeatedly stated that sanctions must be lifted.

That’s a funny way of showing they want sanctions to go on for another decade.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/kremlin-says-sanctions-must-be-lifted-russian-grain-reach-markets-2022-06-08/
https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-we-could-reopen-odesa-but-we-want-sanctions-removed/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/5/russian-gas-flows-halted-until-europe-lift-sanctions

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msAy2sP6lv8

[Globalgunner]

Russia has repeatedly stated that sanctions must be lifted.

That’s a funny way of showing they want sanctions to go on for another decade.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/kremlin-says-sanctions-must-be-lifted-russian-grain-reach-markets-2022-06-08/
https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-we-could-reopen-odesa-but-we-want-sanctions-removed/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/5/russian-gas-flows-halted-until-europe-lift-sanctions

Yes, Its a matter of principle...stuff you dont know anything about
The sanctions are illegal
So keep the sanctions and continue to freeze. Your choice

Bet you are loving those high prices...whereas in Russia, smiles everywhere

"If you dont plead with me Ill drop this anvil on my foot"

[Ollie the Optimist]

How are the sanctions illegal?

You may disagree with them but sovereign countries can impose sanctions as they see fit.


Clearly you are living in the wrong country, if everything is so happy in Russia, why don’t you move?

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62836057

:(

Gawd bless 'er.

[GP]

It's not looking good.

[Letters]

It isn’t :upset:

Day off :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m not a royalist, and I have so little positive to say about people in public life.

Ive always considered her an exception, she had this life thrust upon her by birth and the selfishness of her Nazi loving uncle

And we as a country are heavy in symbolism, but no one symbolises this country more than her. If it’s the end, I will be genuinely sad

[Marc Overmars]

I did think she’d deteriorate quite quickly after Prince Phillip. Usually happens with old couples when they don’t have that companionship anymore.

Have a friend who’s a pig and he’s been telling me they’ve been running drills for this event for weeks now.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I did think she’d deteriorate quite quickly after Prince Phillip. Usually happens with old couples when they don’t have that companionship anymore.

Have a friend who’s a pig and he’s been telling me they’ve been running drills for this event for weeks now.

There’s a code term for it London Bridge down. The news networks, the police, politicians etc all know the drill in the event (it even has its own Wikipedia page under Operation London Bridge)

And you’re right about the surviving partner going quickly into decline when they lose their close companion

[Letters]

I’m not a royalist, and I have so little positive to say about people in public life.

Ive always considered her an exception, she had this life thrust upon her by birth and the selfishness of her Nazi loving uncle

And we as a country are heavy in symbolism, but no one symbolises this country more than her. If it’s the end, I will be genuinely sad

I'm a bit of a Royalist - not as much as I pretend on here though :lol:
I have a certain fondness for the institution but that is mostly because of the queen and I will be genuinely sad when she goes, which is looking imminent.
I wonder if the monarchy will survive much longer, I think most people respect the queen and the service she's given to her country, her children are not popular though.
Wills and Kate could make a go of it, people actually like them and if there is to be a 21st Century monarchy then they'd probably be best placed to head it.

[GP]

BBC One have suspended all regular programming until 6pm.

[Marc Overmars]

I don’t really care for the monarchy but I believe she embodies what it should be about, or at least was about before her family of freaks ruined it all. Most of us don’t know life without her in the public eye so yeah it would be quite sad. A real historical event.

[Letters]

BBC One have suspended all regular programming until 6pm.

Ooft. That's not good.
They're going to be in trouble if she doesn't die, what exactly are they going to pad the next 4 hours with if nothing else happens?

[Mac76]

Ooft. That's not good.
They're going to be in trouble if she doesn't die, what exactly are they going to pad the next 4 hours with if nothing else happens?

nice to see you getting your priorities right re your concern :lol:

[Mac76]

I'm a bit of a Royalist - not as much as I pretend on here though :lol:
I have a certain fondness for the institution but that is mostly because of the queen and I will be genuinely sad when she goes, which is looking imminent.
I wonder if the monarchy will survive much longer, I think most people respect the queen and the service she's given to her country, her children are not popular though.
Wills and Kate could make a go of it, people actually like them and if there is to be a 21st Century monarchy then they'd probably be best placed to head it.

no way will Charles pass it over, he's been waiting his whole life - he and his horse-faced adultress will be our King and Queen, which will probably bring the whole thing down unless he falls ill or worse fairly quickly - as you say, the only way it will continue is if William and Kate take over before it's too late

[GP]

I'd have more respect for our monarchs if they simply executed anyone who refused to bend the knee.

[Marc Overmars]

Looks like the whole family have rushed off to Balmoral. So you’d think she’s probably done or at least in a terminal state. :rose:

[Letters]

Aye. Even Harry is there. Must be serious.

[Letters]

Changing of the Guard cancelled tomorrow. :shrug:

[Mac76]

even Andrew

[mandela8]

Shame that.

Never nice to see anyone die. Even if they do represent a utterly fuckin vile establishment that should've been consigned to the bin hundreds of years ago.

Royalists should be executed for being among the most pathetic people on the planet though.

[Mac76]

Changing of the Guard cancelled tomorrow. :shrug:

does that mean the same guard has to stay there? he'll be getting hungry by then...

:rimshot:

[Letters]

Never nice to see anyone die. Even if they do represent a utterly fuckin vile establishment that should've been consigned to the bin hundreds of years ago.
:lol:

Never change :hug:

[Letters]

BBC1 now showing a live stream of the gates of Balmoral. Literally just gates.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I find it somewhat appropriate that it’s likely she will pass away in the ancestral seat of that semi literate ex pat who presumably considers himself grateful for poorly defined extradition laws between the uk and us

[Mac76]

I find it somewhat appropriate that it’s likely she will pass away in the ancestral seat of that semi literature ex pat who presumably considers himself grateful for poorly defined extradition laws between the uk and us

you mean "semi-literate"?

[HCZ_Reborn]

you mean "semi-literate"?

That’s what I assumed I’d typed. Bloody predictive text

[mandela8]

:lol:

Never change :hug:

I think all normal people will, and should, celebrate the death of such a putrid institution, but celebrating the death of a wee old woman is just...crass.



Except when it was Thatcher, obvs. Fuckin cunt that she was.

[GP]

Meghan to break the news on her Instagram

[Marc Overmars]

It is official.

RIP. :rose:

[Mac76]

i'm genuinely shocked, like all of us she's been Queen my whole lifetime.

RIP

[Marc Overmars]

Very surreal.

[Mac76]

Very surreal.

literally just used that word to my wife - btw it was good touch by Zurich to do the minute's silence

[GP]

Long live the King

[mandela8]

i'm genuinely shocked, like all of us she's been Queen my whole lifetime.

RIP

:haha:

So fuck.

[Letters]

:(

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Bank holiday for the funeral and bank holiday for the coronation?

[Mac76]

Bank holiday for the funeral and bank holiday for the coronation?

it's what she'd have wanted i'm sure ;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

The Dimwit Son is now King. His Regnal name is Charles III

Interesting given there was years of speculation that he would be George VII

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

The best thing is that surely the football will be cancelled this weekend. :pray:

I propose a season of mourning.

[Niall_Quinn]

Another dam breaks as the godless hoard wins more ground. Won't take long to discover we now have the very worst monarch in the history of the nation.

Not a great supporter of the monarchy in generl, but I have respect for both Lizzies. Both great queens who helped hold the nation together when it was under the most severe threat.

Charles III? Two were more than enough.

[LDG]

Bank holiday for the funeral and bank holiday for the coronation?

Absafuckinlootley

I will be peeved if we don’t get at least one day off.

Hopefully she gets two days of mourning like she got two birthdays :dance:

[Niall_Quinn]

Hell of a rant to avoid answering the question. Why is the mainstream media full of lies yet a website run by a literal propaganda regime is the truth?

No, I just can't believe how dumb and naive you are. It's breathtaking. Serious shit is happening all over the world and you are laser focusing in on the bullshit and challenging sentient beings to prove your idiocy wrong.

You are the bloke who was waving the flag for the war in Ukraine, last time I checked. Without having clue bout the background to the conflict. You are the guy who thinks Putin did it in the Library with the Candlestick. Every time.

That wasn't a rant. It was an exhalation of defeat in many ways. I'm starting to think there are just too many stupid people out there for anyone to stand a chance.

[Letters]

The best thing is that surely the football will be cancelled this weekend. :pray:

I propose a season of mourning.
:gp:

I think we should just agree to award the title to whoever happens to be top right now.

[GP]

STOP THE COUNT!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Another dam breaks as the godless hoard wins more ground. Won't take long to discover we now have the very worst monarch in the history of the nation.

Not a great supporter of the monarchy in generl, but I have respect for both Lizzies. Both great queens who helped hold the nation together when it was under the most severe threat.

Charles III? Two were more than enough.

The worst monarch in our history??, well he’d have to go some way….a lot of competition to take the crown (pun intended)

[Letters]

3000 pages of BW :bow:

[Globalgunner]

Ollie has been handed some Shibboleths that he cant bear to be taken down. However we must persevere with him. He is young and it is not too late for him. There is a sentient being in there somewhere

At least I hppe so

So her Majesty has exited at the mere sight of dim Lizzy. More than anyone who has seen Churchill and Anthony Eden in no 10 can bear. Bet she cant wait to tell Philip how everything has gone to shit.

[Niall_Quinn]

The worst monarch in our history??, well he’d have to go some way….a lot of competition to take the crown (pun intended)

He'll achieve it in 1 year. Watch.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ollie has been handed some Shibboleths that he cant bear to be taken down. However we must persevere with him. He is young and it is not too late for him. There is a sentient being in there somewhere

At least I hppe so

So her Majesty has exited at the mere sight of dim Lizzy. More than anyone who has seen Churchill and Anthony Eden in no 10 can bear. Bet she cant wait to tell Philip how everything has gone to shit.

Yeh, fair enough. Ollie is not the enemy. It just fucks me off when people won't even pause for a minute to think, especially when they are more than capable.