"Currants Bw..."

[Letters]

The point is that to pray during the school day means you are requiring special treatment
There's plenty of precedent for that sort of thing.
Again, there's a difference between compelling religious participation and permitting it.
That said, I've read a bit more about this case and the school was permitting it until it was felt that a group of students praying in the playground was causing disruption and division.


I don’t believe the state should cater for religion in anyway
You'll be unsurprised to hear I disagree. It's pretty common for workplaces to make "reasonable adjustments" to meet staff needs.
We have a multi-faith room here (but this is a pretty woke, lefty organisation). I might even be a legal requirement for workplaces to do stuff like this but I'm no expert here. I guess the question is what is reasonable. I wouldn't expect any workplace or school to allow animal slaughter to pander to that. But having a space for someone to quietly pray, and allowing them to do that. I don't see what harm that does. The issue in this school seems to have been a large group which was thought to be disruptive. And apparently Islam does allow for people to "make up" prayers they missed. So, overall, I can see the girl's point but I think the school probably got this right.

[HCZ_Reborn]

There's plenty of precedent for that sort of thing.
Again, there's a difference between compelling religious participation and permitting it.
That said, I've read a bit more about this case and the school was permitting it until it was felt that a group of students praying in the playground was causing disruption and division.


You'll be unsurprised to hear I disagree. It's pretty common for workplaces to make "reasonable adjustments" to meet staff needs.
We have a multi-faith room here (but this is a pretty woke, lefty organisation). I might even be a legal requirement for workplaces to do stuff like this but I'm no expert here. I guess the question is what is reasonable. I wouldn't expect any workplace or school to allow animal slaughter to pander to that. But having a space for someone to quietly pray, and allowing them to do that. I don't see what harm that does. The issue in this school seems to have been a large group which was thought to be disruptive. And apparently Islam does allow for people to "make up" prayers they missed. So, overall, I can see the girl's point but I think the school probably got this right.

The difference is Adults have freedom of religion, they get to chose what fictitious nonsense they want to believe

Children are inculcated into it. And schools should not encourage that….if the parents think it’s important either take them
To a country where the religion is part of society’s framework or just don’t tell the children the awful and evil lie that God will punish them for their failure to show him the proper obsequiousness several times a day.

Christianity has had to be de-fanged and diluted, because the Christendom of the medieval age would be unacceptable in today’s society. Islam has regressed into the totalitarian barbarism through the spread of doctrinal Wahhabism. Therefore for there to be any hope of integration, children need to learn to be attenuated from a totally evil faith.

[Letters]

Christianity has had to be de-fanged and diluted
Again, unsurprisingly, I see it differently.
The Christianity I've experienced is well aligned with the Gospel teaching, the Christianity which brought us the Crusades does not.
As I think you've noted, in the middle ages most people didn't actually know what The Bible says anyway, they couldn't read or if they could they couldn't understand Latin.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Again, unsurprisingly, I see it differently.
The Christianity I've experienced is well aligned with the Gospel teaching, the Christianity which brought us the Crusades does not.
As I think you've noted, in the middle ages most people didn't actually know what The Bible says anyway, they couldn't read or if they could they couldn't understand Latin.

I don’t think it’s completely fair to render the Old Testament which calls for genocide and slavery any less part of the Christian framework than gentle Jesus meek and mild.

It’s like those who say Islam is being misinterpreted by people, well it’s not really. Both books call for death to the non believer…and the Conquistadors genuinely considered themselves to be holy men of God, bringing the pacifying effect of the love of the Madonna to the savage world

[Letters]

I don’t think it’s completely fair to render the Old Testament which calls for genocide and slavery any less part of the Christian framework than gentle Jesus meek and mild.

Why?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Why?

Because obviously the people who produce the Bible think it’s important enough to include both

What I will say for the Old Testament crowd is that they at least left people alone after they died

[Letters]

Because obviously the people who produce the Bible think it’s important enough to include both

What I will say for the Old Testament crowd is that they at least left people alone after they died

The Old Testament is certainly important, but the whole Bible is an emerging revelation.
Many of the laws in the Old Testament need to be understood in the cultural context and have been superseded by the New Testament.
"You have heard it said an eye for an eye, but I say to you..."

And so on.

[HCZ_Reborn]

"But as for those enemies of mine who did not want me for their king, bring them here and slay them before me”

Luke 19:27

I’m pretty sure JC doesn’t mean have strong words with them

[Letters]

That's in a parable. He's literally telling a story and those words are from a character in the story :blink:

Dude, no offence but you don't know what you're talking about here.

[HCZ_Reborn]

That's in a parable. He's literally telling a story and those words are from a character in the story :blink:

Dude, no offence but you don't know what you're talking about here.


The parable is about how people should behave once he’s departed this world . And that those who reject his kingship are fucked.

Which kind of makes him Kim Il Sung

[Letters]

So first you quote Scripture out of context to make it sound like a commandment when in fact it was a character in a story Jesus was telling.
Now you're shifting the goalposts and talking about what the parable is about. Incorrectly of course, that isn't the main message of the parable.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So first you quote Scripture out of context to make it sound like a commandment when in fact it was a character in a story Jesus was telling.
Now you're shifting the goalposts and talking about what the parable is about. Incorrectly of course, that isn't the main message of the parable.

I’m saying there’s numerous examples of Jesus behaving in a way that in any modern context would see him labelled a maniac. Your argument is based on the belief (the false one in my view) that The New Testament is not simply of its time and its words which may be inspiring then seem to be a signposting towards despotism

And the Parable is about how he will occupy a heavenly throne, but that people need to accept him as their saviour now and those that do not are simply denying the truth to themselves and whether he’s talking about earthly punishment or eternal they will suffer for their failure to acknowledge him

[Letters]

Your argument is based on the belief (the false one in my view) that The New Testament is not simply of its time and its words which may be inspiring then seem to be a signposting towards despotism
No it isn't.


And the Parable is about how he will occupy a heavenly throne, but that people need to accept him as their saviour now and those that do not are simply denying the truth to themselves and whether he’s talking about earthly punishment or eternal they will suffer for their failure to acknowledge him
No it isn't.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/smacking-children-must-be-banned-paediatricians-89knx2f0l?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0MzT-G_3iCB8cl8nfyeOUPxZgedY06DR2WRc4wxI8xSR0A0UqRYR5gS t0_aem_ASmB6Nc5j6ukl3pLR5Qn9-USGOk7VACghzVcTuH32FNVYxjLU_b3PSjjyFKaL0tecWAZCRbv MQHsoB8QnTy-X82y


Expect a lot of these kind of laws to be passed by Labour, no money to actually enforce them and will have the unintended consequence of loads of vexatious claims from the removal of the grey area

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it’s particularly clever to smack a child. I just don’t think it should be placed in the same category as beating the living fuck out of a child. And laws like this often are too zealous to make the distinction

[Letters]

It's already been banned in Wales. It seems a bit strange. I mean, I don't think anyone thinks children should be beaten - well, if they do then there's already laws to deal with that.

[Letters]

I had a very important work trip last week.
It was definitely not a jolly.
It was in Cairo and I cleverly arranged for an early evening flight on the day I was leaving which gave me the morning and early afternoon to go to the pyramids.
It was brilliant. 5 stars. Would recommend

[WMUG]

How was the Pizza Hut?

[Letters]

How was the Pizza Hut?

:lol: I’d heard about that! It is a bit disappointing how close that is but actually it didn’t spoil the experience. Most of the complex is away from that so the pyramids do feel like they’re in the middle of nowhere. You can see the city but it’s not as intrusive as I’d imagined from aerial shots.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68891090

…I don’t think it was her disability which made him assume that :unsure:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68891090

…I don’t think it was her disability which made him assume that :unsure:

In fairness to her, doctor shouldn’t have made that assumption…there are dating sites that cater for all tastes these days…so there must be one for crippled mutants to find each other


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1xpMDCWQAU78Mz.jpg

[Letters]

Where do you think I found MrsL? :cool:

[dazthegooner]

Where do you think I found MrsL? :cool:

Take it she doesn't requent this board? ;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Where do you think I found MrsL? :cool:

May she never find this thread

[Letters]

For the record, although we did meet online it was on a site for God-botherers, not hideous trolls.

:p

[HCZ_Reborn]

For the record, although we did meet online it was on a site for God-botherers, not hideous trolls.

:p

A distinction without a difference :pray: :lol:

Getting onto Religion, the Christian social conservatives are blaming secularism for woke.


Problem is woke is a nebulous term and although does have a clear and distinct meaning, it often means whatever one wants it to mean

Plus a lot of the stated objectives of woke - dealing with injustice, being kind to your fellow man (or non binary individual) ar Christian tenets. The argument seems to be that without fire and brimstone, people have lost their moral bearings.


It also uses secularism as an interchangeable with Atheism. I would imagine most Christians want to live in a secular society where religion is not enforced by the state and that faith is a private matter.

Plus I think what we call Christian culture is still enduring, just not the faith mechanism that goes with it.


I don’t want to replace one crazed millenarian ideology with another. Let people believe or not believe what they want

[Letters]

I'm not sure I really understand what it means. I looked up a definition and that didn't make it much clearer to me.
If woke means consideration and empathy for others' feelings then I'm in.
But that can be conflict with other people's feelings. Trans women want to be allowed in women's bathrooms. Some actual women don't want that as it makes them feel unsafe. So then what do you do? Have a 3rd option? Or gender neutral ones (we have those at work, it's all individual cubicles which seems reasonable enough).

There's a line between representation and pandering/box-ticking. A lot of advertising and TV feels like the latter.
There's a cast of 5, say, and one of them has to be gay. Because of course 20% of people are.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I'm not sure I really understand what it means. I looked up a definition and that didn't make it much clearer to me.
If woke means consideration and empathy for others' feelings then I'm in.
But that can be conflict with other people's feelings. Trans women want to be allowed in women's bathrooms. Some actual women don't want that as it makes them feel unsafe. So then what do you do? Have a 3rd option? Or gender neutral ones (we have those at work, it's all individual cubicles which seems reasonable enough).

There's a line between representation and pandering/box-ticking. A lot of advertising and TV feels like the latter.
There's a cast of 5, say, and one of them has to be gay. Because of course 20% of people are.


It’s largely about shoehorning things that might apply in America to other countries in the Anglosphere


Historically it’s not been peachy for Afro-Carribean people in the uk. IBK has recounted his own personal experience of racial abuse and being made to feel inferior by dickhead bullies. It’s not really something we’ve ever encountered but it’s not the same as in America.

The problem is it denies that any progress has been made since emancipation. It treats black people in the most appallingly patronising way and it encourages white people to feel guilty for no reason. There seems to be something positive about being marginalised that people want to claim the mantle.

I don’t feel marginalised or privileged. I think we’ve become obsessed with identity when it’s superficial and not that interesting, and it’s economic background rather than race which is a far larger determinant of how far you get in life.


I don’t feel guilty for what I am or what I think. But neither do I feel resentful against another group of people.

People adopted woke attitudes because they didn’t do the cost/benefit thinking, they went ahead and assumed it was kind.


The trans debate as you say is the perfect example of how if you give rights to certain people you risk taking them away from others. That and it’s clearly open to abuse from the worst kind of people


It overlaps with Islam in that way, the more freedom we give for religious expression the more we end up ceding our own rights to something which is deeply illiberal. Despite my banter, I leave Christianity alone because I don’t feel Christians presently trample on my right to free expression, but some of them are clearly itching for that opportunity in the name of anti woke.

[WMUG]

The weirdest aspect of the whole US centrism thing was the George Floyd murder kicking off protests in the UK. Like, if you want to protest racism in the British police that's perfectly legitimate, but why was an American getting killed the spark for it? We're rioting on the streets here to protest racism over there? Or using a figurehead over there to rally against racism that occurs here?

It just seemed odd to me.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68942962




I mean... :pal:

[Mac76]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68942962




I mean... :pal:

She's quite tasty tbf

[Letters]

Aye. Bit of a MILF

[Mac76]

Aye. Bit of a MILF

I was talking about Olivia Rodrigo :lol:

[LDG]

I was talking about Olivia Rodrigo :lol:

I’d whack both tbf

[Letters]

I was talking about Olivia Rodrigo :lol:

Ah :lol:


What LDG said :good:

[Mac76]

What LDG said :good:

not for me... sounds like I've a clear path to Olivia though :good:*


*I mean, no-one else knows about her, right...? :unsure:

[Letters]

I'd not really heard of her, so go nuts

[Mac76]

I'd not really heard of her, so go nuts

me neither :lol:

[Letters]

Now the sun has come out the MILFs are out in force on the school run.

##

MILFs :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Now the sun has come out the MILFs are out in force on the school run.

##

MILFs :bow:

Look but nothing more, don’t do it to yourself

These mums of school age kids are Chardonnay guzzling psychos. Completely pre-occupied with status, as soon as they see another mother with a slightly nicer coat, a slightly better breast augmentation or a slightly newer Chelsea tractor they become like Patrick Bateman after seeing Paul Allen’s business card

[Letters]

:lol:

Luckily I am something of a fanny magnet - magnet in the sense of repelling. So even if I wanted to do anything other than look it wouldn't be an option.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4dd90qgj9o

As if school wasn't boring enough :(

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5nnn53wldo

That's this year's Bowie :rose:

[IBK]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04348v8r9eo

Hahahaha

[Letters]

A bit annoyed I missed all that last Friday.
Although I get the impression that the photos I saw the next day is mostly cameras being clever - as in, it didn't really look like that in real life.

[Mac76]

A bit annoyed I missed all that last Friday.
Although I get the impression that the photos I saw the next day is mostly cameras being clever - as in, it didn't really look like that in real life.

I was too, until like you say people who saw it said it was nothing when looked at with the naked eye

I've seen the full spectacular NL's so i think I've not missed out

[Niall_Quinn]

A bit annoyed I missed all that last Friday.
Although I get the impression that the photos I saw the next day is mostly cameras being clever - as in, it didn't really look like that in real life.

100% Every last one of those photos - fake. There was a bit of a glow up there, but pump up the filters and suddenly you too can sell erection pills on FaceFuck. We had glorious bullshit that you wouldn't even see in the northern reaches of Norway. But hell, it sells and people are ever more stupid.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04348v8r9eo

Hahahaha

It was more impressive, at least.

[Marc Overmars]

A bit annoyed I missed all that last Friday.
Although I get the impression that the photos I saw the next day is mostly cameras being clever - as in, it didn't really look like that in real life.

Yeah most of what we saw plastered on social media and the news are just heavily enhanced photos taken from a reduced light setting on cameras. Though to be fair I’ve seen them before in Iceland and they were quite prominent, so maybe in the dark countryside areas they were quite bright.

[Letters]

Macca :bow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5n553p184o

[Letters]

Hmm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-69026069

Probably a TILF, when dolled up.

[Mac76]

Macca :bow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5n553p184o

"But Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who bought a 27.7% stake in Manchester United for about £1.25bn in February, suffered "considerable losses" and was among the biggest fallers on 2024's list."

:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

What's with all the BBC links? When are you people going to learn?

[Letters]

Learn what?

[Niall_Quinn]

Learn what?

Exactly. You don't even know what the problem is. Even though it's under your nose. Lack of memory, lack of analytical thought, blind acceptance of authority. Of course you don't know what the problem is because, to you, the problem is a solution.

[Letters]

NQ in rambling and saying nothing instead of answering a straight question shock exclusive.

If only we had the insight you had, then we’d have foreseen marshal law and all those checkpoints and curfews which the army were enforcing

[WMUG]

On my way back to Manchester.

Wish me luck :(

[Letters]

On my way back to Manchester.

Wish me luck :(

The lack of self-awareness of these gurning morons is incredible.

[WMUG]

I'm glad to see you're not feeling too bitter about it

[Letters]

I’m taking to very well :lol:
I’m very proud of Arsenal this season, but I am bitter about how the game has gone in general. Chelsea showed that money buys success. City have shown you can do it with any club if you throw enough money around.

It’s not the clubs’ fault that football is like this, but the correlation between money and success is higher than ever as is the gap between the haves and have nots. Football is set up to create a positive feedback loop to keep it like this. It’s not the game it was when I were a lad :oldboy:

[WMUG]

Yeah. That's why I supplement my football watching habit with AFC Wimbledon and Wythenshawe Town. Feels a bit more authentic.

Nothing ever compares to the club you imprinted on as a tiny child though.

[Mac76]

On my way back to Manchester.

Wish me luck :(

maybe don't wear any Arsenal-related items, they might not be able to guess your affiliation then...

[Mac76]

I’m taking to very well :lol:
I’m very proud of Arsenal this season, but I am bitter about how the game has gone in general. Chelsea showed that money buys success. City have shown you can do it with any club if you throw enough money around.

It’s not the clubs’ fault that football is like this, but the correlation between money and success is higher than ever as is the gap between the haves and have nots. Football is set up to create a positive feedback loop to keep it like this. It’s not the game it was when I were a lad :oldboy:

I think that's the most depressing thing for me, not that we came so close but that the team that won it is so supercharged with cash - probably the most decisive thing is their strength in depth with players like Grealish on the bench for significant periods of time - it's that which enables them to overcome injury related setbacks which would hamper other teams.

But there has to be some recognition of Guardiola - Man Ure and Chelsea show us that you can spend a lot of money but it doesn't go right unless the guy orchestrating the signings and the team knows what they're doing

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I’m taking to very well :lol:
I’m very proud of Arsenal this season, but I am bitter about how the game has gone in general. Chelsea showed that money buys success. City have shown you can do it with any club if you throw enough money around.

It’s not the clubs’ fault that football is like this, but the correlation between money and success is higher than ever as is the gap between the haves and have nots. Football is set up to create a positive feedback loop to keep it like this. It’s not the game it was when I were a lad :oldboy:I'm a lot less invested and interested in football (naturally getting older but for many of the same reasons) but what may finally completely kill it off for me is when league games will be held abroad. And by the looks of it, that isn't very far away.

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[Letters]

But there has to be some recognition of Guardiola
There does. But he's not the genius some make out. He inherited a very good side. He's made them better for sure but they'd been champions before he got there, he didn't inherit some midtable side and propel them to the top with hard work. Some credit where it's due for the Haaland transfer though, he got him at a steal.

[Marc Overmars]

Never coached where the deck wasn’t already stacked in his favour. Pep can do one.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think that's the most depressing thing for me, not that we came so close but that the team that won it is so supercharged with cash - probably the most decisive thing is their strength in depth with players like Grealish on the bench for significant periods of time - it's that which enables them to overcome injury related setbacks which would hamper other teams.

But there has to be some recognition of Guardiola - Man Ure and Chelsea show us that you can spend a lot of money but it doesn't go right unless the guy orchestrating the signings and the team knows what they're doing

No I don’t think he gets any recognition, he chose to coach a club which had disgracefully cheated in order to provide him with the resources he needs. Doubtless as you say spending doesn’t equal success (especially if your owner is a retard like Todd Boehly) but you can abuse steroids like Lance Armstrong but it still won’t guarantee success, but it doesn’t make it any more impressive or less cheating when it does.


Plus has he done that well, given the squad at his disposal he should have been winning the Treble every single season


Fuck him, passive aggressive piece of shit. He’s just as culpable as the club he works for

[Mac76]

what may finally completely kill it off for me is when league games will be held abroad. And by the looks of it, that isn't very far away.



yeah I'm hoping common sense will prevail but there isn't much of that at FA level

[Mac76]

There does. But he's not the genius some make out. He inherited a very good side. He's made them better for sure but they'd been champions before he got there, he didn't inherit some midtable side and propel them to the top with hard work. Some credit where it's due for the Haaland transfer though, he got him at a steal.

yes all fair, I'm not saying he's a god or anything and sure he's complicit in any dodgy activity

and yes, it would be very interesting to see how he got on at, say, AFC Wimbledon - he should do that actually, it would make for a TV series so funny i might even subscribe to Netflix to watch it :D

[HCZ_Reborn]

Dedicated to the memory of the dearly departed Ebrahim Raisi


https://youtu.be/ULfmowbNlK0?si=SxvsZXFaf02cZmzu

Inshallah brother

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

:lol:

Great theme song.

Arguably the best?

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[Letters]

Knightrider and A-Team, off the top of my head

[HCZ_Reborn]

Knightrider and A-Team, off the top of my head

The original Battlestar Galactica ftw

[Mac76]

no contest, it's this:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJ4pALlbEM

[HCZ_Reborn]

no contest, it's this:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJ4pALlbEM


Met David Soul about twenty years ago. Nice guy I thought

[Letters]

50 today. How the hell did that happen? :doh:

:oldboy:

[HCZ_Reborn]

50 today. How the hell did that happen? :doh:

:oldboy:

Antibiotics, lack of war, clean water and access to food


It’s not the Middle Ages anymore

[Letters]

:lol: I’m reading Unruly by David Mitchell at the moment.
He does spend a fair amount of time noting how colon it was for people in the Middle Ages to drop down dead at a moment’s notice.
Just got to a bit where he’s talking about The Black Death when literally half the population died. Can you imagine?!

[Mac76]

:lol: I’m reading Unruly by David Mitchell at the moment.
He does spend a fair amount of time noting how colon it was for people in the Middle Ages to drop down dead at a moment’s notice.
Just got to a bit where he’s talking about The Black Death when literally half the population died. Can you imagine?!

If I could pick which half it was it would be pretty neat tbh :ninja:

[Letters]

Obviously I meant “common”, not “colon” :doh:
And child mortality was through the roof too.
It must have meant people had a very different attitude to death.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Obviously I meant “common”, not “colon” :doh:
And child mortality was through the roof too.
It must have meant people had a very different attitude to death.

Colon would be appropriate

I imagine a lot of people died from cholera

[Letters]

Anyway. Thank you for your kind birthday wishes :p

[HCZ_Reborn]

Anyway. Thank you for your kind birthday wishes :p

No one cares. Get your birthday wishes from people in the real world

And cake and blowjob from the missus (you can at least ask)

[Letters]

:lol:

<_<

[WMUG]

Hap birth wwtl@whl

[Letters]

thx

[dazthegooner]

ET finally going home... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1rrglw1nelo

[Mac76]

So this guy's tribute is a massive load of unnecessary pollution - great :rolleyes:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxee5rlen55o

[Letters]

I'm trying not to become one of those old racialists, but have to say when I'm dropping the girl off at preschool it does seem that I'm in the minority in terms of having English as a first language.
While I think NQ is silly bristling at how England has changed - countries and societies always change over time - I have to say I can see how the pace of change over the last 50 years has alarmed people.

Some years ago a comedian made be laugh when he said you know you're getting old when you start looking at Daily Mail headlines and think "they're right, there are too many" :lol:

[Marc Overmars]

My wife is a teacher and has seen that change first hand over the past 15 years at her school where kids from immigrant families are close to forming the majority in some year groups. It also has to be said that her school has also massively improved its Ofsted rating and produced a lot of high achievers.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t think we instinctively like seeing people who don’t look like us in places we recognise, .
We like what seems familiar
There were a Lot of black and Asian kids on the train this morning that didn’t leave the station this morning, This didn’t bother me but the difference I guess was my experience was more than just visual (although I think the fact that they were all quite tidily dressed in school uniforms helped) ….these kids were actually quite polite given they were justifiably worried that they’d miss their exam (long story, basically someone decided to do suicide by train further up the line and it fucked services up).
But get on the bus back home (fuck it not waiting around for hours) and two thuggish looking brown boys get off first and this immediately makes me slightly uncomfortable.
Would I have felt more comfortable if they were white?, possibly. But yeah there were fewer kids that looked like this when I was of school age.
Putting this into the political realm and Farage calling this election the immigration election, the likelihood is that most people who will vote for Reform won’t have had a directly negative experience with a person of colour.
This is not to say it’s a completely false assumption to say that there hasn’t been a lot of downsides to immigration and especially pockets of ghettoisation of the south Asian Muslim variety.
But I think when you see more people that don’t look like you where you live and combine that with them dressing in a way that either looks unfamiliar or threatening…it’s going to set the amgydala off.
In a sane and rational word we’d deal with the actuality of the immigration issue - but it’s kind of easier to short cut and go straight for that visceral reaction to fear of difference.

[Mac76]

If i'm walking home at night I'm as concerned if i see a bunch of white guys in chavvy gear approaching me as i would be to see POCs, makes no difference

[Letters]

This is not to say it’s a completely false assumption to say that there hasn’t been a lot of downsides to immigration.
Holy shit that's a complicated sentence. 3 negatives, dude. Give us a chance!

It's not really about colour for me.
It's just gaggles of Eastern Europeans talking in "foreign" and starting to feel like I'm the outsider. It just feels a little unsettling.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Holy shit that's a complicated sentence. 3 negatives, dude. Give us a chance!

It's not really about colour for me.
It's just gaggles of Eastern Europeans talking in "foreign" and starting to feel like I'm the outsider. It just feels a little unsettling.

But skin colour is just one factor, you’ve identified something you don’t recognise therefore it feels unfamiliar and unwelcome

But like I say I cover that in my original post. I wasn’t bothered by the black or Asian kids on the train, because they are wearing school uniform and behaving themselves


Also that’s just a poorly constructed sentence which comes about from me being too lazy to always proof read what I write before clicking send

[HCZ_Reborn]

If i'm walking home at night I'm as concerned if i see a bunch of white guys in chavvy gear approaching me as i would be to see POCs, makes no difference

I’d be concerned either way as well

I said I’d possibly be less concerned if those thuggish looking lads were white possibly because of media saturation about knife crime (which is largely black on black) , but in any event there’s no reason to believe they are more likely to be hostile to me than the kids who are more smartly dressed.

[Marc Overmars]

Hearing unfamiliar language has never bothered me, I’d say clothing is definitely the main reason why I may feel a little unnerved. Balaclavas for example are fashion accessories now for kids and it’s not uncommon to encounter groups wearing them along with usual gang uniform items like massive puffer coats and joggers. Even in the middle of summer you’ll find kids decked out in this gear which is just bizarre.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Hearing unfamiliar language has never bothered me, I’d say clothing is definitely the main reason why I may feel a little unnerved. Balaclavas for example are fashion accessories now for kids and it’s not uncommon to encounter groups wearing them along with usual gang uniform items like massive puffer coats and joggers. Even in the middle of summer you’ll find kids decked out in this gear which is just bizarre.

Yep that’s another one. Apart from the fact that it’s clearly a way of oppressing women, it’s another reason why a lot of people like don’t like the hijab, burkha, niqab etc.

If people cannot fully see your face it makes them uncomfortable

[Letters]

Hearing unfamiliar language has never bothered me.
It was the fact that in a group of about 15 people it felt like pretty much everyone was in a little group talking different languages - both from me and each other.

[WMUG]

It was the fact that in a group of about 15 people it felt like pretty much everyone was in a little group talking different languages - both from me and each other.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71seSNfiHNL._SL1500_.jpg

Time to go shopping.

[Letters]

They seem to be mostly Albanian <_<

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://x.com/ukads3/status/1800545400207671556?s=46&t=n1tnxEg6k_DvSqUkaQFrjw

Well, whatever one has to say about the relative merits and downsides of cultural changes to Britain over the past fifty years I hope we can all agree that in terms of food we are better off now

[HCZ_Reborn]

They seem to be mostly Albanian <_<

Just say Enver Hoxha was a cunt, and you’ll get on fine

[Marc Overmars]

https://x.com/ukads3/status/1800545400207671556?s=46&t=n1tnxEg6k_DvSqUkaQFrjw

Well, whatever one has to say about the relative merits and downsides of cultural changes to Britain over the past fifty years I hope we can all agree that in terms of food we are better off now

I asked my 6 year old nephew what he likes most about England and his response was “Chinese food”. :lol:

[Letters]

Who the hell puts Branston pickle with sausages?!
Immigration has definitely made our food options better.

Went to a brilliant Chinese restaurant in Beijing one time.
Over there they just call them restaurants :cool:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Who the hell puts Branston pickle with sausages?!
Immigration has definitely made our food options better.

Went to a brilliant Chinese restaurant in Beijing one time.
Over there they just call them restaurants :cool:

Yeah funny that

[WMUG]

I spent 4 months in Sichuan and now need spice with everything.

[Mac76]

So Labour is now launching its manifesto - and its website hsa crashed :doh:

[Letters]

https://womencricket.com/2024/06/11/england-all-rounder-danni-wyatt-marries-her-longtime-partner-georgie-hodge-pics-go-viral/

I'd watch their sextape, tbf.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cleezyxjv4jo

Cha. And indeed Ching.

[Mac76]

Man with Curls for PM


https://x.com/i/status/1801526700691402945

[HCZ_Reborn]

Man with Curls for PM


https://x.com/i/status/1801526700691402945

You’ll be surprised to hear that when people are already struggling with wages that they probably don’t want to lose even more take home pay.

Paying more taxes is not going to have an effect on utility bills either.


Taxes of course will have to go up, the Tories have been doing it by stealth and Labour when it gets in will have no choice but to do so….but yeah I can totally understand why most people don’t want to pay more Tax. I’m just naive enough to think politicians should be honest with us even if the honesty is negatively received

[Mac76]

You’ll be surprised to hear that when people are already struggling with wages that they probably don’t want to lose even more take home pay.

Paying more taxes is not going to have an effect on utility bills either.


Taxes of course will have to go up, the Tories have been doing it by stealth and Labour when it gets in will have no choice but to do so….but yeah I can totally understand why most people don’t want to pay more Tax. I’m just naive enough to think politicians should be honest with us even if the honesty is negatively received

I think I saw a stat which said we pay less tax per head than many nations

but it's without doubt the rich should be taxed more heavily to ease the burden on others, anyway the point he's making is that tax isn't inherently evil and it's a mistake for politicians to imply otherwise

https://ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationally

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think I saw a stat which said we pay less tax per head than many nations

but it's without doubt the rich should be taxed more heavily to ease the burden on others, anyway the point he's making is that tax isn't inherently evil and it's a mistake for politicians to imply otherwise

https://ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationally

Again Tax the Rich is superficially popular because it means for most of us, Tax someone who isn’t me

But again it depends how you’re defining rich. I think the vast majority of people who id consider rich don’t make their money from fixed income so pledging to put up income tax in any form is often about as popular as herpes

Putting up VAT is fine when you’ve got a consumer boom

Corporation Tax? Well I’m not sure that’s a great idea in a stagnant economy where you want to encourage growth

Capital Gains? Well does make you wonder if Labour will end a lot of the loopholes which means a lot of capital gains are offshore and untaxed.

But in reality the sensible thing is to create growth and then put up tax to pay back the money you’ve already invested. Which means you need to borrow, and you of course need to target your investment otherwise unfocused quantative easing just puts us back to square one with inflation

Basically there’s no easy answers and certainly none that can be hit upon in the five year lifetime of a parliament, and politicians usually are not incentivised to take the tough decisions which cause short term pain but long term gain

[Mac76]

OMG, it's Space:1999 for real (albeit a bit slower...:))

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/techandscience/the-moon-is-slowly-drifting-away-from-earth-and-it-s-beginning-to-impact-us/ar-BB1nW7f4?ocid=nl_article_link

[HCZ_Reborn]

An Earth day will become 25 hours within 200 million years

But then again the Sun would have gone Supernova and swallowed up the Earth long before that

[Letters]

It’s been known that the moon is drifting away from us for ages.
The Apollo missions put reflectors on the moon (which is one reason we know they actually went), which have been used since then to accurately determine the distance to the moon.

HCZ, I think the sun is too small to go supernova but it will turn into a red giant and if not swallow the earth then certainly it will have destroyed all life on earth. I thought the timescale was more in the billions of years. Either way, I don’t think it’s anything we need to worry about

[Niall_Quinn]

This sounds serious. We should tax poor people to prevent this. And give the proceeds to the rich.

Or would two climate scams be a bridge too far?

[WMUG]

Yeah the sun expansion isn't for 5 billion years.

[Letters]

Yeah the sun expansion isn't for 5 billion years.

I'm not worried then.
Our Lord and Saviour will have come back before then.
:cool:

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn00ndjg238o

Why don't presenters have the balls to just tell these people to fuck off rather than pandering to them and making insincere apologies.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn00ndjg238o

Why don't presenters have the balls to just tell these people to fuck off rather than pandering to them and making insincere apologies.

It tends to be a chain reaction thing, the charity will complain because it’s worried other people will get offended by them if they don’t


It’s basically example 400,000,000 where Social Media drives people crazy and amplifies even the smallest of issues


Also there are plenty of conditions that cause seizures

[WMUG]

I'm not worried then.
Our Lord and Saviour will have come back before then.
:cool:

Bendtner didn't go anywhere though? :unsure:

[Letters]

Donald Sutherland :rose:

[dazthegooner]

RIP :rose: also Steve Sweeney (Plank from Lock stock)

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9rr7z5gk62o

Penis cancer!
Who knew that was a thing?!

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9rr7z5gk62o

Penis cancer!
Who knew that was a thing?!


Come on man
That’s too dark even for here

[Letters]

:lol:

Sorry

:getcoat:

I didn’t know that was a thing and wish I didn’t know :upset:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Antepodean Rapist who has committed acts of espionage released after accepting a plea deal

Hopefully the plea deal includes him being prevented from hosting a podcast, writing a self serving book etc

[HCZ_Reborn]

:lol:

Sorry

:getcoat:

I didn’t know that was a thing and wish I didn’t know :upset:

You can get cancer anywhere

It’s just obviously a pretty grim subject

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NppiLsw68i8/UcfqNX6eDmI/AAAAAAAAxLA/MMjOmTQt0b8/s640/What's+the+point+of+living+if+you+don't+have+a+dic k.jpg

[Mac76]

Antepodean Rapist who has committed acts of espionage released after accepting a plea deal

Hopefully the plea deal includes him being prevented from hosting a podcast, writing a self serving book etc

alleged rapist

and one person's espionage is another's informing the public what governments are doing on their 'behalf'

anyway isn't 15 lost years spent with a death sentence hanging over his head enough for you?

[Letters]

Antibiotics, lack of war, clean water and access to food


It’s not the Middle Ages anymore

The boy has had a cough for the last week.
He's not been that ill but a bit under the weather and we kept him off school yesterday to see a doctor. They gave him some antibiotics, he has a chest infection.
It made me think of your post - back in the day he'd have either just got better or...not.
In one of Bill Bryson's books he reflects on this, how in the early 1920s someone could cut their finger, get an infection and then just die.
The context is how what with bacteria developing immunity, that could well happen again soon.

[HCZ_Reborn]

alleged rapist

and one person's espionage is another's informing the public what governments are doing on their 'behalf'

anyway isn't 15 lost years spent with a death sentence hanging over his head enough for you?

A death sentence hanging over his head? No we don’t extradite people who may be facing capital punishment in another country so that was never on the cards


I see your avowed feminism only occurs when it suits you, do you think these women in Sweden are lying?


No he induced Manning to take classified documents, not only that but his leaks put American service personnel in danger and it led to an Afghanistan translator being murdered.

The guy is not a whistleblower but a fraud, he took refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy not because he feared extradition to the US (he was released on bail in the UK with the condition that he had to show himself at a police station once a week) but because he knew full well he could be forced to face the music for sexual crimes

[Mac76]

I see your avowed feminism only occurs when it suits you, do you think these women in Sweden are lying?




I've never said I'm a feminist, that's you resorting to cheap generalisations again

There's a million reasons why anyone might lie about anything - just because they're women doesn't make them more or less likely to be honest, true equality is treating all people the same, not elevating one gender above the other in any way

And I prefer to say that people are innocent until proven guilty, which is what any good justice system should be based on

and as for "No we don’t extradite people who may be facing capital punishment in another country so that was never on the cards " it was only the Ecuadorian embassy that prevented him being extradicted to Sweden which would have amounted to the same thing as he'd then have been probably extradicted to the States from there

[HCZ_Reborn]

I've never said I'm a feminist, that's you resorting to cheap generalisations again

There's a million reasons why anyone might lie about anything - just because they're women doesn't make them more or less likely to be honest, true equality is treating all people the same, not elevating one gender above the other in any way

And I prefer to say that people are innocent until proven guilty, which is what any good justice system should be based on

and as for "No we don’t extradite people who may be facing capital punishment in another country so that was never on the cards " it was only the Ecuadorian embassy that prevented him being extradicted to Sweden which would have amounted to the same thing as he'd then have been probably extradicted to the States from there

No you haven’t said you’re a feminist, but some of the nonsensical arguments you made about how Rubiales kissing Hermoso might start an epidemic of work place sexual assaults and the fact that you get up on your haunches when anything remotely sexist is uttered might suggest that this wasn’t an unreasonable conclusion to come to.

So I can only conclude that your principles crumble when it comes to someone you like. That you’re a vapid hypocrite is no surprise to me of course.

But if it suits you to move into the realm of paranoid conspiracy theory that his extradition to Sweden was a ruse to get him over to America. Well that’s your choice

[Mac76]

.

But if it suits you to move into the realm of paranoid conspiracy theory that his extradition to Sweden was a ruse to get him over to America. Well that’s your choice

Not a ruse but the concern was that the US would extradict him from Sweden

As for the other stuff you wrote, do calm down dear...

[HCZ_Reborn]

Not a ruse but the concern was that the US would extradict him from Sweden

As for the other stuff you wrote, do calm down dear...

Calm down :lol:, just pointing out like all political tribalists you are a hypocrite, and before you protest about not being tribal. I knew from a mile off that there were two type of people that might object to my post….self styled libertarians/right wing populists and people like yourself who despite protestations of being independently minded just coincidentally tick off every box for the tribal left.


Assange is a self important narcissist and like all self important narcissists doesn’t like it when he’s brought to task over questionable Behaviour.

This wasn’t journalism or whistleblowing….this was as he has now admitted guilt to espionage because he wasn’t a passive receiver of classified documents he manipulated a clearly vulnerable and naive individual like Manning into getting them for him, and then left Manning to hang out to dry.


This had nothing to do with what people deserved to know, and more about his own aggrandisement. He’s clearly subsequently tried to sway elections as well as manipulating events during the Arab spring.

I think the sexual assault allegations made by those women is totally consistent with a character who has no qualms about disregarding other people’s boundaries. I think his problems are all of his own making and frankly he’s fortunate to be walking free…but an individual like that won’t learn his lesson because he’s pathologically incapable.

[Mac76]

And this 'tribe' is what exactly? :shrug:

I just think what i think, i don't follow herds or put people into stereotypical boxes lile you do

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well it isn’t just what you think, it’s the clear posturing that goes with it.

For example The way you need to let people know about your boycott on papers like the Sun, rather than just not reading it because you don’t like its content.

You say it’s not tribal, but if I were to guess I doubt in your social circle you have many people who vote Tory, have voted Brexit. That may be conscious choice, it may just be how it is.

Plus I know a lot of liberal left thinkers in my own social circle…I was one of them, until we started divesting from each other over post modern concepts of social justice, Jeremy Corbyn and even Brexit where I had voted Remain and been quite annoyed by the Leave vote but the sanctimony and totally undeserved supposition of both moral and intellectual superiority by many Remainers became too much for me.

It’s not to say these people aren’t my friends anymore, we just don’t discuss politics because I know what to expect

[Mac76]

Well it isn’t just what you think, it’s the clear posturing that goes with it.

For example The way you need to let people know about your boycott on papers like the Sun, rather than just not reading it because you don’t like its content.



Errr, this is, like, a messageboard, it's a place where people express their views - after all this whole conversation started with you letting people know your views on Julian Assange :haha:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Errr, this is, like, a messageboard, it's a place where people express their views - after all this whole conversation started with you letting people know your views on Julian Assange :haha:

You don’t understand the difference between expressing an opinion and virtue signalling?

I think X = An Opinion

I boycott such and such because of X = Wanting people to know what a Good Egg you think you are

As I say it’s an Observation…you do you, it’s just that normally I find when people try to sell their own moral worthiness they are usually the worst kind of hypocrite.

[Mac76]

Err, no, boycotting is where you don't want to contribute financially to something you don't agree with

Your translation of that to it being all about creating an impression says a lot more about how your own mind works than it does about mine I'm afraid

[HCZ_Reborn]

Err, no, boycotting is where you don't want to contribute financially to something you don't agree with

Your translation of that to it being all about creating an impression says a lot more about how your own mind works than it does about mine I'm afraid

Again I think your misunderstanding the difference between actually boycotting (which largely I think is a kind of moral Onanism but that I admit is on me) and feeling the need to tell everyone you’re boycotting


I don’t know what Memes you’re aware of, but you remind me of the picture of the lad with a vein in his temple with the tagline “gone more than five minutes without telling someone you’re a vegan”

[Mac76]

Again I think your misunderstanding the difference between actually boycotting (which largely I think is a kind of moral Onanism but that I admit is on me) and feeling the need to tell everyone you’re boycotting


I don’t know what Memes you’re aware of, but you remind me of the picture of the lad with a vein in his temple with the tagline “gone more than five minutes without telling someone you’re a vegan”

so i say once that I don't buy the Sun (which is so long ago I don't remember it but strangely you do - not that you're obsessed or anything...) and that means I'm virtue signalling, rather than just mentioning it on a messageboard which - again - is designed for discourse

This would be a pretty boring board if no-one was able to say what they did or didn't like or support

And again, this whole 'conversation' came from an opinion on something expressed - and very strongly by you...

[HCZ_Reborn]

so i say once that I don't buy the Sun (which is so long ago I don't remember it but strangely you do - not that you're obsessed or anything...) and that means I'm virtue signalling, rather than just mentioning it on a messageboard which - again - is designed for discourse

This would be a pretty boring board if no-one was able to say what they did or didn't like or support

And again, this whole 'conversation' came from an opinion on something expressed - and very strongly by you...

You saw an article link from the Sun and felt the immediate need to tell everyone you boycotted it. That speaks to me of a need to express your virtuosity.

You also remarked in another thread about how you didn’t subscribe to Sky because of Murdoch. Similar thing.


Plus the point I’m making is that it’s remarks like that, that mean that many (maybe not all) your political views are quite easy to discern, and that it felt at least likely to me that you would respond to my post the way you did.

Maybe it’s unintentional on your part, I just find people quite predictable really

[Letters]

Honestly. During the pandemic - working at home and all that - I'd forgotten just how bloody annoying people in an office can be.

Our meeting rooms have iPads on the wall outside which you can use to book them. It takes a few seconds. The two things people do which make me want to punch them in the face are:

1) They block out the room for the day and barely go in there.
2) They squat in rooms without booking them which makes you feel you can't book them even though they're available.

Someone was in a meeting room at 10:15 but hadn’t booked it. I needed a room for 10:30 and there weren't any others available so I assumed he’d just popped in the room quickly and I booked it for 10:30. 10:30 arrives, the bloke was still in the meeting room. I went in and the following conversation ensued:

Me: “Oh, sorry. I have this room booked now.”
Him: “…Did you book it while I was in here?”
Me: “Yes, you didn’t have it booked”
Him: “It would have been nice if you’d asked me!”
Me: “It would have been nice if you’d booked the room...”
(He leaves the room with his tail between his legs)

:cool:

Needless to say, I had the last laugh.

[Mac76]

You saw an article link from the Sun and felt the immediate need to tell everyone you boycotted it. That speaks to me of a need to express your virtuosity.

You also remarked in another thread about how you didn’t subscribe to Sky because of Murdoch. Similar thing.


Plus the point I’m making is that it’s remarks like that, that mean that many (maybe not all) your political views are quite easy to discern, and that it felt at least likely to me that you would respond to my post the way you did.

Maybe it’s unintentional on your part, I just find people quite predictable really

again i don't remember saying that but you do, so clearly you have some kind of unhealthy obsession with things people have said in the distant past (that's two unhealthy obsessions now :lol:)

"your political views are quite easy to discern" - only to someone who pigeonholes people into convenient stereotypes, in order to make it easier to dismiss whatever they're saying

And so what if I said i was boycottign the Sun? - it sounds to me like I was just explaining the reason i couldn't click on a link to the Sun, otherwise if I said I couldn't read the article people might ask why

The funny thing is you're saying one minute I'm predictable then you were highlighting the fact that when i defended Assange that it went against your sterotyped view of my opinions - so which is it? :shrug:

[HCZ_Reborn]

The funny thing is you're saying one minute I'm predictable then you were highlighting the fact that when i defended Assange that it went against your sterotyped view of my opinions - so which is it? :shrug:

No I’ve said it absolutely fits the stereotype

I accept it could be unintentional on your part but you pigeonhole yourself and meet almost entirely the standards of the token leftist.

It’s not even necessarily a criticism, it’s just an observation.


The whole you’re obsessed thing is a bit of a projection, I’m explaining why I can reasonably predict what view you’re going to take on something and giving you an explanation why.
I’m not going to remember every example, but I think you virtue signal more than you realise…..but then again that’s a contradiction, virtue signalling is an intentional thing unless it maybe becomes a habit

Much in the same way a lot of your footballing opinions are extremely predictable. Bit like how I knew even before looking that your reply to my post on the Euros thread would contain a comment on Harry Kane :haha:

[HCZ_Reborn]

However what I will say re Assange is that it’s evidence of horseshoe theory, as populist right wingers (especially those of a conspiracist nature) are also pro Assange.

Maybe it’s the shallow appeal of narcissists and the politics is irrelevant

[Mac76]

No I’ve said it absolutely fits the stereotype

I accept it could be unintentional on your part but you pigeonhole yourself and meet almost entirely the standards of the token leftist.




err you said originally "I see your avowed feminism only occurs when it suits you"

so you are saying i'm going against a stereotypical trait you claim i had (which was completely inaccurate as I wasn't in any way 'avowed' as i had never even said i was a feminist)

and on the obsession thing I personally think it's strange to remember what someone said on a messageboard many months or even years ago - again i have no recollection of the Sun commetn as it was just an aside for me, explaining (I assume) why i wouldn't click on a link

the fact is you just can't comprehend that someone doesn't conform to a sterotype, it's outside your blinkered comprehension

Once more, and for all your attempts to divert attention away from it, this all started with you expressing an opinion and for some reason you can't handle my expressing a different one, so out come the sterotypes and attempted character assassination - it's all a bit sad really but there we go

[HCZ_Reborn]

err you said originally "I see your avowed feminism only occurs when it suits you"

so you are saying i'm going against a stereotypical trait you claim i had (which was completely inaccurate as I wasn't in any way 'avowed' as i had never even said i was a feminist)

and on the obsession thing I personally think it's strange to remember what someone said on a messageboard many months or even years ago - again i have no recollection of the Sun commetn as it was just an aside for me, explaining (I assume) why i wouldn't click on a link

the fact is you just can't comprehend that someone doesn't conform to a sterotype, it's outside your blinkered comprehension

Once more, and for all your attempts to divert attention away from it, this all started with you expressing an opinion and for some reason you can't handle my expressing a different one, so out come the sterotypes and attempted character assassination - it's all a bit sad really but there we go


Actually what I went on to say is that the stereotypical lefty tends to be a hypocrite on such issues. Such as claiming that using graphically sexual words even in a non sexual context makes me sexually depraved but actual allegations of Rape…well these women could be lying. So yes you flash feminist credentials when it suits you, and forget them when it doesn’t.

I think loads of people don’t conform to stereotypes, you’re just not one of those people :lol:


As for not being able to handle you having a different opinion than me. Lots of people as I’ve said hold your opinion they either just tend to be on the left or the populist conspiratorial right and it’s one of those examples of it dovetailing.


If you think someone who very likely is a rapist, put countless people in danger and the only service he’s ever done is to himself is some poorly treated whistleblower hero figure. Well you do you. Will have to chalk it up as another thing you’re wrong about :d:

[Mac76]

You've no proof I'm wrong just as you can't prove he's a rapist, as I said at the start someone's innocent until they're proven guilty and that's not even my opinion it's the law, so take it up with the justice syatem if you like...

[HCZ_Reborn]

You've no proof I'm wrong just as you can't prove he's a rapist, as I said at the start someone's innocent until they're proven guilty and that's not even my opinion it's the law, so take it up with the justice syatem if you like...

In fairness even I thought you might detect the laughing face as a fatuous remark in regards to the assertion that you’re wrong (of course I do think you’re wrong…but it’s a matter of opinion)

The Swedish authorities had no interest in extraditing him on elsewhere, the whole nearly ten years in an Ecuadorean embassy (where even they got sick of him in the end) was in my view someone trying to avoid consequences of his own behaviour.

He will no doubt re-surface and spin everything to make himself a victim and sell books, and do podcasts and appear on shows etc…the grift never ends with people like that. And when presumably there will be plenty of credulous people ready to buy his claim of victimhood

[WMUG]

Finally deleted my Twitter account yesterday. Been a while coming.

[Letters]

You could say you are an X Twitter user :cool:

[WMUG]

:rimshot:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’m a bit fed up of the Twitter algorithm deciding to show me tweets from people like Tristan Tate and Yaxley-Lennon

At least Owen Jones and George Galloway had the common decency to block me

[Letters]

I don’t really understand things like Twitter, Instagram, etc.
This is a bit simplistic but to me they just do subsets of what Facebook already does.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don’t really understand things like Twitter, Instagram, etc.
This is a bit simplistic but to me they just do subsets of what Facebook already does.

Facebook was in many ways when it started, an amalgamation of MySpace and Friends Reunited

Twitter is more antagonistic engagement and less pictures of your family holidays

I think the community note is good for flagging bullshit (the one positive thing Elon has done)


Instagram is more pictures and funny dog/cat videos (so tends to have more of a female skew)


I don’t use TikTok because it’s a Chinese data mining tool.

[Letters]

I don’t use TikTok because I’m a grown up.
Functionality wise, the others don’t do anything that FB doesn’t do.
But I guess you could say that other message boards do the same as this one but each one has its own feel.
Overall I’m just too old for all this shit.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Lovely, got verbally abused by a bloke who was also having a row with store security outside a sports shop.
I wouldn’t mind I didn’t even say anything to him :lol:
Threatened to smash my glasses into my mums face. Make it make sense. I was tempted to say “you might find that a bit difficult” but I think engaging with him wasn’t worth it. I wouldn’t mind he was standing directly in my way, and seemed to be annoyed that he had to move.

He was well into his fifties by the look of him, beyond me that anyone would act like that at that age.

[Letters]

So that's what NQ is doing these days.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So that's what NQ is doing these days.

No, he didn’t have a bottle of whiskey nor was he producing a homily about how everyone is a credulous moron apart from him

[Letters]

Probably not him then, but he was having an argument with a vague authority figure which is very much in his wheelhouse

[HCZ_Reborn]

Probably not him then, but he was having an argument with a vague authority figure which is very much in his wheelhouse

That NQ would actually leave his house unless absolutely necessary, let alone talk to anyone in real life seems fanciful

Anyway I won’t mention him again, if I mention him three times he will appear like the Kandyman

[Letters]

:lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P0bN4Tmel0

[Mac76]

Say what you like about JSO, and yes the stonehenge thing was monumentally dumb, but their hearts are in the right place whereas people who sneer at them are doing nothing more than laughing at their own self-imposed destruction

[Letters]

Nah, they can fuck off.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Say what you like about JSO, and yes the stonehenge thing was monumentally dumb, but their hearts are in the right place whereas people who sneer at them are doing nothing more than laughing at their own self-imposed destruction

I don’t think anyone’s laughing at these people, JSO is a rent a protest mob and share the same address as a Free Palestine campaign group, which gives me the distinct impression of being about protest rather than about a cause

At least with Insulate Britain I actually agreed with their aims, this lot? Refusal to sign new oil and gas deals would throw a lot of people in this country into fuel poverty. Replacing the burning of hydrocarbons is something that needs to be done in a piecemeal way, because it won’t be these largely upper middle class types that suffer if they were to get their own way.


The additional problem is it turns climate change into a political football when it shouldn’t be

[Mac76]

Whoever's at the centre of JSO, i think most of its activists are earnest middle-class kids who realise how big the climate threat is, and the people who turned it onto a political football are the right, because collective public global action to combat CC, along with the necessary changes in lifestyle and consumer behaviour, goes fundamentally against their free market economics and so-called libertarianism, plus some on the left don't like it either because they're still stuck in the smiling-workers-marching-in-unison-to-the-publicly-owned-smoke-belching-factory fantasy

[Niall_Quinn]

Whoever's at the centre of JSO, i think most of its activists are earnest middle-class kids who realise how big the climate threat is, and the people who turned it onto a political football are the right, because collective public global action to combat CC, along with the necessary changes in lifestyle and consumer behaviour, goes fundamentally against their free market economics and so-called libertarianism, plus some on the left don't like it either because they're still stuck in the smiling-workers-marching-in-unison-to-the-publicly-owned-smoke-belching-factory fantasy

There's no climate threat. And if there is, prove it with science instead of rigged statistics. 50 years of listening to this bullshit now.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51ypwj0214o


Debt-laden Thames Water has said it has enough cash to fund its operations until the end of May next year but that efforts to raise new money are continuing.
The UK's largest water company, which is facing questions over whether it can survive, said its debts had risen to £15.2bn in the year to March.

How the hell do you bugger up a business model where you're selling a product which everyone needs and you're the only supplier. :doh:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51ypwj0214o



How the hell do you bugger up a business model where you're selling a product which everyone needs and you're the only supplier. :doh:

Because it’s not an industry you can really make a profit from, the overheads tend to eat most of it up.


I don’t believe in a state managerial economy but there are certain industries that are what’s called natural monopolies. For all the talk of encouraging the entrepreneurial spirit, Maggie sold off water to bring some quick money into the treasury coffers.

[Letters]

https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/police-searching-area-around-hilly-fields-park-as-crossbow-suspect-remains-on-loose/

This is quite close to me! Not that close, but close enough.
Sounds like it was quite a targeted attack against some bloke's wife and two (adult) daughters. As in it's not some loony indiscriminately shooting people.

[Mac76]

https://enfielddispatch.co.uk/police-searching-area-around-hilly-fields-park-as-crossbow-suspect-remains-on-loose/

This is quite close to me! Not that close, but close enough.
Sounds like it was quite a targeted attack against some bloke's wife and two (adult) daughters. As in it's not some loony indiscriminately shooting people.

oh well, that's ok then... ;)

btw James Cracknell's gone down in the world if he's writing articles for some cheap local rag ...

[Letters]

There was something funny about this on the BBC: “Home Secretary considers tougher crossbow laws” :lol:

Yes. Because of all the marauding gangs of thugs roaming round armed with crossbows.
Just nonsense posturing designed to appeal to people who don’t understand statistics

[HCZ_Reborn]

Well it’s not exactly a practical weapon.

To be honest I’m not quite sure how he managed to kill three people in the same family, you get one person unaware but surely by the time it takes to reload the other two would have fucked off.

Either he’s got re-loading down to a fine art form or they froze in panic

[Letters]

He’s been caught now so we can all go out of our houses again.
Good point about how he managed to kill 3 people

[Mac76]

Well it’s not exactly a practical weapon.

To be honest I’m not quite sure how he managed to kill three people in the same family, you get one person unaware but surely by the time it takes to reload the other two would have fucked off.

Either he’s got re-loading down to a fine art form or they froze in panic

or maybe one bolt went through all three at once? it would certainly be the most efficient way

[HCZ_Reborn]

or maybe one bolt went through all three at once? it would certainly be the most efficient way

Never run from a man with a crossbow in single file I guess

[Mac76]

:lol:

[Letters]

Never run from a man with a crossbow in single file I guess

They tried the old Wile E. Cayote running away from a train technique?
Schoolgirl error tbh

[HCZ_Reborn]

We laugh but can’t help but feel devestated for the poor bastard that’s lost a wife and two daughters. Never been married or wanted children, but to have your whole world torn apart like that because of some twisted fucker. Would take me a long time before I could move on from being desperate to offer up everything I own for ten minutes alone with the guy and a rusty blade

[Letters]

:gp:

This is a pretty miserable story all round.

[Niall_Quinn]

Finally deleted my Twitter account yesterday. Been a while coming.

Seriously. Congrats. Provided you deleted ALL your anti-social accounts and this isn't just a Musk thing. If everybody did this the world would suddenly be better.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, he didn’t have a bottle of whiskey nor was he producing a homily about how everyone is a credulous moron apart from him

I never say "everyone." I mention names.

[Letters]

Seriously. Congrats. Provided you deleted ALL your anti-social accounts and this isn't just a Musk thing. If everybody did this the world would suddenly be better.

Tbf, I agree with this.

[Letters]

To be honest I’m not quite sure how he managed to kill three people in the same family, you get one person unaware but surely by the time it takes to reload the other two would have fucked off.
This, by the way.

He tied them up. One of whom was his ex. Seems a bit extreme murdering her and her family :unsure:

[HCZ_Reborn]

This, by the way.

He tied them up. One of whom was his ex. Seems a bit extreme murdering her and her family :unsure:

Oh fuck me, that’s even more grim

[Letters]

I saw it again today. Calls for crossbow legislation.
Do you know how many people are murdered in this country by crossbows?

1

One!

:lol:

What's the argument here, that if he'd tied up 3 woman an hadn't had a crossbow then they'd have been fine? Have people heard of knives?

:doh:

It's Bear Patrol all over again.

[WMUG]

Let the bears pay the bear tax. I pay the WMUG tax!

[Letters]

:lol:

We're here, we're queer, we don't want any more crossbows!

[Letters]

I think there should be a ban on suitcases tbh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czq6g01lggno

[HCZ_Reborn]

I think there should be a ban on suitcases tbh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czq6g01lggno

I’m going to go out on a limb and say honour killing. Been a particular modus operandi in these types of killing to cut up the body and leave it in a suitcase (though usually the suitcase is buried)

[WMUG]

Don't be ridiculous. The clear culprit here is suspension bridges.

In fact, let's ban all bridges, just to be safe.

[Letters]

Shelley Duvall :rose: (you know, that one from The Shining)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy77p22jr5lo

[Mac76]

I saw it again today. Calls for crossbow legislation.
Do you know how many people are murdered in this country by crossbows?

1

One!



I thought that 3 people were killed by the crossbow guy, or am i paying the price for not reading the story properly?

[Letters]

I thought that 3 people were killed by the crossbow guy, or am i paying the price for not reading the story properly?

I missed a word. It’s 1 a year. Obviously yesterday’s incident makes this a bumper year, but the point is there are a tiny number of killings by incident and even if you banned them, there are other ways of killing people.
It’s a ludicrous thing to even consider legislating about

[Mac76]

I missed a word. It’s 1 a year. Obviously yesterday’s incident makes this a bumper year, but the point is there are a tiny number of killings by incident and even if you banned them, there are other ways of killing people.
It’s a ludicrous thing to even consider legislating about

You never know, it could be next year's big fad unless it's stamped down on quickly

And yes, I'm joking :) (mostly...)

[Niall_Quinn]

You guys just can't kick the mainstream narrative, can you? They literally tell you what to think and when to think it. Did you ever stop to consider, as the new puppet PM of GB authorises (like it's up to him) British warmonger missiles to be fired into Russia, this crossbow story MIGHT, possibly, could it be, a distraction for small minds. You lot don't have small minds do you? So snap out of it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

You guys just can't kick the mainstream narrative, can you? They literally tell you what to think and when to think it. Did you ever stop to consider, as the new puppet PM of GB authorises (like it's up to him) British warmonger missiles to be fired into Russia, this crossbow story MIGHT, possibly, could it be, a distraction for small minds. You lot don't have small minds do you? So snap out of it.

:lol:

Oh sorry, you were Serious


Let me laugh even harder

:haha:

[Mac76]

:lol:

[Letters]

They literally tell you what to think and when to think it.
Dude, you really really need to disabuse yourself of the notion that because you distrust the mainstream and trust other sources that makes you an independent thinker.
And as I have explained to you many times, this is not the place where people come to discuss the important matters of the day.

[Letters]

I’m going to go out on a limb and say honour killing. Been a particular modus operandi in these types of killing to cut up the body and leave it in a suitcase (though usually the suitcase is buried)

Remains of two men apparently.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Remains of two men apparently.

Yeah saw the pic of a suspect yesterday and my theory went up in smoke

Yardies?

[Niall_Quinn]

Dude, you really really need to disabuse yourself of the notion that because you distrust the mainstream and trust other sources that makes you an independent thinker.
And as I have explained to you many times, this is not the place where people come to discuss the important matters of the day.

So it's the moron thread?

[Niall_Quinn]

:lol:

Oh sorry, you were Serious


Let me laugh even harder

:haha:

Excellent, so you took that to mean you. And responded accordingly. Even had the performing chimp backing you up. You know he fancies you, right?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Excellent, so you took that to mean you. And responded accordingly. Even had the performing chimp backing you up. You know he fancies you, right?

I’m so sorry fella

I didn’t realise that I was meant to take seriously your assertion that a guy running amok with a crossbow was presented by the evil media as a distraction from the terrifying reality of what’s going on in a NATO conference that has definitely not in anyway been mentioned about the media.

It’s definitely not that I’ve not seen the same performative underwear soiling from loads of other people on this matter. No I’ve definitely been mesmerised by the obvious bait and switch

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g3prgzzjpo

Genuine whodunnit

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g3prgzzjpo

Genuine whodunnit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g64ljwp2go

The thot plickens.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3g64ljwp2go

The thot plickens.

Muwder Swicide

[Letters]

mumpsimus

a traditional custom or idea adhered to although shown to be unreasonable.
a person who obstinately adheres to old customs or ideas in spite of evidence that they are wrong or unreasonable.


I could use that a lot around here :cool:

[HCZ_Reborn]

mumpsimus

a traditional custom or idea adhered to although shown to be unreasonable.
a person who obstinately adheres to old customs or ideas in spite of evidence that they are wrong or unreasonable.


I could use that a lot around here :cool:


I feel like I’m being targeted for my defence of FPTP


Which is less a defence and more that most alternatives are terrible under a unitary government system.

I feel like with most new ideas to change things, people often don’t factor in unintended consequences. For example the US like the UK has an issue with pay day lending companies, whilst they obviously engage in predatory practices. They found that when they came down heavily on them, that people were going to criminal loan sharks instead. That would an example of dealing with a symptom rather than a root cause. Why are people needing to go to pay day lenders

And that’s before you get onto the absolutely fucking tragedy that’s been the liberal/left approach to drug addiction in San Francisco.

[Letters]

I feel like I’m being targeted for my defence of FPTP
Well now you're just being silly.


You're being targeted for all the other bullshit too ;)

No, but SRSLY, we are probably as bad as each other. And neither of us as bad as you know who

[Letters]

Honestly. Some of the idiots I have to work with.

I asked a colleague for an estimate for some work which I’d been told was about 2 days work.
He said £8.5k.
I said “wtf?” and he said “oh sorry, I meant £4.5k”. :blink:

He’s said it’s 5 days work not 2. And then he took the average of the day rate of the 3 roles involved and multiplied that by 5.

Except no he didn't, he took the total of the rates for the 3 roles, and thus given me a cost for 15 days work. So the £4.5k isn't right either.

:doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

Honestly. Some of the idiots I have to work with.

I asked a colleague for an estimate for some work which I’d been told was about 2 days work.
He said £8.5k.
I said “wtf?” and he said “oh sorry, I meant £4.5k”. :blink:

He’s said it’s 5 days work not 2. And then he took the average of the day rate of the 3 roles involved and multiplied that by 5.

Except no he didn't, he took the total of the rates for the 3 roles, and thus given me a cost for 15 days work. So the £4.5k isn't right either.

:doh:

Why would you even post that?

[Letters]

Why would you even post that?

Why would you even post that?

[Niall_Quinn]

Why would you even post that?

Ah, the Turing test.

Hello Letters, how are you today?

[The Wengerbabies]

Leeds being culturally enriched tonight.

[Niall_Quinn]

Leeds being culturally enriched tonight.

Is it a mostly peaceful protest of love?

[Mac76]

Why would you even post that?

One of those rare moments when we're in agreement... :lol:

[Letters]

TrOoPs On ThE sTrEeTs!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq5j8gk20r1o

#NQWozRite

[Letters]

One of those rare moments when we're in agreement... :lol:

I know you're keen for an update, so...

I spoke to the bloke on Monday. He said that by "average" he did indeed mean "total". Easy mistake to make.
And by "Man Days" he meant "Development Days" which does include all 3 roles. So it is 15 days.
Which is clear bullshit, he's made a mistake and is doubling down on it and lying to cover his ineptitude. But whatever!

[Mac76]

I agree... whatever :lol:

[The Wengerbabies]

Jesus what is this nonsense https://x.com/UnmaskedAntifa/status/1816568527446323422

I've been through many airports in my time, never had an issue police don't randomly attack people I'm going to go out on a limb and say they deserved it.

[Marc Overmars]

https://x.com/crimeldn/status/1816466748528378110?s=46

How fucked up are kids these days.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Jesus what is this nonsense https://x.com/UnmaskedAntifa/status/1816568527446323422

I've been through many airports in my time, never had an issue police don't randomly attack people I'm going to go out on a limb and say they deserved it.

The point is not whether they “deserved” it or not, it’s that anyone who thinks it’s ok for police to be licensed uniformed thugs is off their head. The guy probably was a piece of shit, but he’d been subdued…kicking him in his head is wholly unprofessional and if we excuse it in anyway, we are also excusing anyone who wants to go around kicking someone’s head in

[The Wengerbabies]

https://x.com/crimeldn/status/1816466748528378110?s=46

How fucked up are kids these days.


Import the 3rd world become the 3rd world.

Welcome to Sadiq Khan's London.

[The Wengerbabies]

The point is not whether they “deserved” it or not, it’s that anyone who thinks it’s ok for police to be licensed uniformed thugs is off their head. The guy probably was a piece of shit, but he’d been subdued…kicking him in his head is wholly unprofessional and if we excuse it in anyway, we are also excusing anyone who wants to go around kicking someone’s head in

He attacked 3 police officers and broke the nose of a female cop. Fuck him

[The Wengerbabies]

CCTV footage

https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1817247283831845185


Quelle suprise

[Letters]

He attacked 3 police officers and broke the nose of a female cop. Fuck him

I’d vaguely agree with “fuck him”, but at the same time the police can’t be seen to be losing control like that and booting people in the head when they’re already subdued. They also pushed bystanders including some old lady.
What do two wrongs famously not make?

[HCZ_Reborn]

He attacked 3 police officers and broke the nose of a female cop. Fuck him

Again not the point.

Because then what happens when someone doesn’t deserve it. If you condone this, like I say it gives police licence to act violently with impunity. What happens if there’s a situation where the guy isn’t just a cunt but has a psychiatric illness?

[The Wengerbabies]

The only mistake the police made was not shooting them.

[Letters]

Shit Katie Hopkins,
You’re just a shit Katie Hopkins
Shit Katie Hopkins,
You’re just a shit Katie Hopkins

[HCZ_Reborn]

Shit Katie Hopkins,
You’re just a shit Katie Hopkins
Shit Katie Hopkins,
You’re just a shit Katie Hopkins

Wouldn’t a shit Katie Hopkins just be Katie Hopkins?

[Letters]

Wouldn’t a shit Katie Hopkins just be Katie Hopkins?

Well yes, but he adds a "shit tribute act" layer on top of that.

[Letters]

They're talking nonce sense

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgr49q591go

[HCZ_Reborn]

They're talking nonce sense

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgr49q591go

Gosh I wish I had the spare cash to get a Cessna plane to fly a banner with “I fucking told you so” on it

[HCZ_Reborn]

Two children confirmed to have died in that Southport attack

There are no fucking words

[Marc Overmars]

Can’t even begin to imagine the pain those parents are feeling. Hard to believe there are human beings out there who could do something like this. Fucking scum, hope he rots.

[Letters]

It’s pretty sickening and there’s no obvious motive.
The kid that did it can’t be right in the head

[Mac76]

I don't care whether it's kids or 80 year olds, it's just a really bad thing, but another reminder how lucky we are in terms of having stricter gun controls than the US - over there this would have been a(nother) mass shooting

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don't care whether it's kids or 80 year olds, it's just a really bad thing, but another reminder how lucky we are in terms of having stricter gun controls than the US - over there this would have been a(nother) mass shooting

I think it’s much worse when it’s children. Innocent, defenceless and dying senselessly it’s killing off everything they could have become and before they have the chance to experience all the things adults take for granted.

Obviously no one should die like that no matter what the age, but I remember something a friend told me his grandmother had told him when she found out she had terminal cancer “better me than someone with their whole life in front of them”


As for mass shootings, well…on one hand I’m in favour of strict gun laws. On the other hand, there are many countries that have gun laws that are as liberal as they are the US and they simply don’t have the level of individual gun homicides or mass shooting events. There’s something very peculiar about the US in that sense

[Marc Overmars]

I’d agree with that. Having their lives taken from them before they’ve even started is just the saddest thing.

[Letters]

A third kid has died now :( :rose:

[HCZ_Reborn]

A third kid has died now :( :rose:

Yeah I heard. Awful.

[Letters]

Gosh I wish I had the spare cash to get a Cessna plane to fly a banner with “I fucking told you so” on it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmj260e54x7o

[Marc Overmars]

Rioting in Southport after the stabbings. Apparently the attacker was one of them muslim types.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Rioting in Southport after the stabbings. Apparently the attacker was one of them muslim types.

A Muslim from Rwanda born in Cardiff

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmj260e54x7o

That’s actually worse than I thought

I thought we were looking at pederasty which is bad enough , but images of a 7 year old ???

Sick cunt

[Letters]

That’s actually worse than I thought

I thought we were looking at pederasty which is bad enough , but images of a 7 year old ???

Sick cunt

Seriously. How hard can it be not to be a nonce? Statistically they surely can't all be at it. :doh:

[Mac76]

:haha:

https://x.com/supertanskiii/status/1818403874513838295