"Currants Bw..."

[HCZ_Reborn]

That sounds like an opinion to me... ;)

Allow me to present to you what Wikipedia says (all referenced as always):

"Through late 1967 and early 1968, Barrett became increasingly erratic, partly as a consequence of his heavy use of psychedelic drugs such as LSD.[13] Once described as joyful, friendly, and extroverted, he became increasingly depressed, withdrawn, and began experiencing hallucinations, disorganised speech, memory lapses, intense mood swings and periods of catatonia. Although the changes began gradually, according to several friends —including the Pink Floyd keyboardist Richard Wright— he went missing for a long weekend and returned "a completely different person"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syd_Barrett

Yes you’re right, it’s definitely an opinion. I can’t say comprehensively what was wrong with him…apart from anything else I never met the man.

From what I’ve watched/read about Barrett he was always an erratic, off the wall individual. But again even if this claim about personality change is accurate, it doesn’t necessarily imply drug induced psychosis

Now I’ve no doubt that some of the symptoms you’ve quoted would have been present whilst he was taking LSD, in large quantities it’s an extremely potent psychotropic substance. What I’m saying is that he didn’t present as in a state of psychosis after he became abstinent from taking this stuff and the subsequent period after it, leading up to his death. What presented (to me) was a childish dickhead, who never got over being booted out of the band

[Mac76]

...Maybe you just have that unfortunate style where your opinions sound like emphatic statements. ...

...the pink Floyd discussion was actually more interesting

the word 'actually' sounds a bit 'emphatic' to me - don't you mean "i think the Pink Floyd discussion was more interesting"?

[Mac76]

Yes you’re right, it’s definitely an opinion. I can’t say comprehensively what was wrong with him…apart from anything else I never met the man.

From what I’ve watched/read about Barrett he was always an erratic, off the wall individual. But again even if this claim about personality change is accurate, it doesn’t necessarily imply drug induced psychosis

it absolutely implies it, given his mood change coincided with the drug use - it's just that kind of stubborn denial of the facts that make you hard to take seriously :)

[Letters]

I know people who won't listen to MJ now. I do understand that and, honestly, I think on balance of probability he probably was a wrong'un.
But on the basis that he was never convicted and that I like to think of him as a child-like eccentric, I'll keep playing Thriller thanks very much.
There's a bit of denial going on there, but there was so much conflicting information about him it's really hard to know what really did or didn't happen.

[HCZ_Reborn]

it absolutely implies it, given his mood change coincided with the drug use - it's just that kind of stubborn denial of the facts that make you hard to take seriously :)

Psychosis means break from reality, so no personality change is not a necessary or sufficient condition for it….given your personality can change and you can still have personal insight and be able to discern reality from fantasy.

And as I say there’s a difference between taking a drug that directly affects your perception and making it a permanent alteration.

For instance if you hallucinate on LSD that’s an effect of the drug, if you’re not taking the drug and are hallucinating it’s a psychotic break.

And again it’s one person’s testimony. And I’ve already said LSD might have aggravated what was already there, but again in my opinion when you read of his behaviour after he’d left Pink Floyd it’s far more redolent of neurotic than psychiatric malody.

What you can or can’t take seriously is of no interest to me frankly

[HCZ_Reborn]

I know people who won't listen to MJ now. I do understand that and, honestly, I think on balance of probability he probably was a wrong'un.
But on the basis that he was never convicted and that I like to think of him as a child-like eccentric, I'll keep playing Thriller thanks very much.
There's a bit of denial going on there, but there was so much conflicting information about him it's really hard to know what really did or didn't happen.

Each to their own

Personally I like Thriller but I still think he was a massive boy botherer who used his wealth and fame to diddle young boys

This doesn’t create a moral schism for me, because the song is still good even if the artist was not

[Mac76]

I must admit, given the general hysteria over anything to do with kids (and i'm not just talking about HCZ :lol:) I am surprised that Wacko Jacko's music is still played in shops and there's even a musical etc.

I guess it's because nothing's proven re what he did/didn't do

I'm not bothered about his music but if i had to listen to one album it would be Off the Wall i think

[Letters]

Off The Wall is arguably better than Thriller.
I think it’s that nothing was proven against him. And, unlike Saville, there aren’t scores of people coming forward to make allegations against him.
Saw him twice back in the day.

[Letters]

#prayforharvey

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewlep7q8dyo

[HCZ_Reborn]

James Earl Jones is dead

[Letters]

:rose:

Coming to America :bow:

[IBK]

Actually so did I

Remember this?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/08/sol-campbell-london-mayor-election

:lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Remember this?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/08/sol-campbell-london-mayor-election

:lol:

Seb Coe only lasted five years as an MP

And Seb Coe he was not

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/31/mcdonalds-baby-name-menu-item-wisconsin-20197808/?ito=facebookimage&fbclid=IwY2xjawFOhFtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHdhuUTqZefGb0 N7A5cBpxOgKP8mXCa3Yia0VVNVTnyO1geBwP-KB-7Xbng_aem_S_qXMz82ihyx7Kn5I7D2ow

Congratulations, your child is going to be beaten like a Chipperfield monkey at High school

[Niall_Quinn]

https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/31/mcdonalds-baby-name-menu-item-wisconsin-20197808/?ito=facebookimage&fbclid=IwY2xjawFOhFtleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHdhuUTqZefGb0 N7A5cBpxOgKP8mXCa3Yia0VVNVTnyO1geBwP-KB-7Xbng_aem_S_qXMz82ihyx7Kn5I7D2ow

Congratulations, your child is going to be beaten like a Chipperfield monkey at High school

Jeez, I haven't read the thread yet but you are endorsing metro. Really? That struck me immediately.

[Niall_Quinn]

James Earl Jones is dead

And?

[Niall_Quinn]

And?

And?

[Niall_Quinn]

James Earl Jones is dead - AND?
And we're provoking all out war with nuclear powered Russia?

AND?

Give me the AND. Or else admit to how incredibly shallow and unthinking you are.

Sorry for James and his family and all that - didn't know them, don't care, that's just me being honest in a way that defeats you. But how many Internet awards do you actually want? And what is their value, all stacked up? Is it greater than zero?

You fucking people. Such a massive problem.

[HCZ_Reborn]

No idea who you are replying to, but if it’s me you’re wasting your time as I have you on ignore so you’re screaming into the void….which I’m sure must be a familiar experience for you.

[Letters]

Give me the AND.
AND people who enjoyed his work felt some connection with him and therefore are a bit sad he died. That's it.
No-one's pretending they knew him, no-one has booked the week off work to mourn.
The irony is you're the one virtue signalling here - you want everyone to know that you're far too serious and above all this to care about trivia like a celebrity dying.
As if the people who do care about this stuff can't possibly understand there are bigger things going on in the world.
And, again, caring is not a binary thing - indifference and absolute devastation are not the only two options.
People saw the news, thought "oh that's a shame" and then got on with their lives.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that this is not where people come to talk about the important matters of the day.

[Niall_Quinn]

No idea who you are replying to, but if it’s me you’re wasting your time as I have you on ignore so you’re screaming into the void….which I’m sure must be a familiar experience for you.

Moron. If I'm on ignore then why are you responding? There are some things so obvious even you... Well maybe not.

[Niall_Quinn]

AND people who enjoyed his work felt some connection with him and therefore are a bit sad he died. That's it.
No-one's pretending they knew him, no-one has booked the week off work to mourn.
The irony is you're the one virtue signalling here - you want everyone to know that you're far too serious and above all this to care about trivia like a celebrity dying.
As if the people who do care about this stuff can't possibly understand there are bigger things going on in the world.
And, again, caring is not a binary thing - indifference and absolute devastation are not the only two options.
People saw the news, thought "oh that's a shame" and then got on with their lives.
I don't know how many times I have to explain that this is not where people come to talk about the important matters of the day.

Fine. Thank you.

That's reasonable.

But with all the things that could be expressed, particularly during this turbulent repetition of history, I sometimes wonder what peoples priorities are. And it amazes me when I find out. And people who tell you your house is on fire may be doing it to boost their virtue, but probably not.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Moron. If I'm on ignore then why are you responding? There are some things so obvious even you... Well maybe not.

Taken you off ignore to reply to this, because it’s like Mute on Twitter I can see you’ve posted but I get to choose whether or not I see what you’ve posted. For fuck sake, that should be obvious even to you.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Fine. Thank you.

That's reasonable.

But with all the things that could be expressed, particularly during this turbulent repetition of history, I sometimes wonder what peoples priorities are. And it amazes me when I find out. And people who tell you your house is on fire may be doing it to boost their virtue, but probably not.

If you told me my house was on fire I’d know it was perfectly safe.

Honestly, you’re like a small child stamping their feet and demanding we pay attention to them

How many times does it need to be made clear to you, that just because you insist that we are on the precipice doesn’t make it so.

Putin’s threats about what will happen if our weapons are used by Ukraine to attack Russia are about as likely to be followed through as his threats of what would happen if Finland joined NATO. He didn’t attack Ukraine in response to NATO expansion, anymore than he did the threat of Nazism on his border…he did it because he doesn’t believe in Ukraine’s sovereignty and sees it as a part of greater Russia. Its garden variety Revanchism.

He thinks we are weak, he thought we would just look the other way whilst he took Kyiv in three days. In many ways we are weak, we looked the other way whilst he committed two acts of terrorism on our soil in order to prove to dissidents that there’s no where they could go to escape his reach…(a lot of dictators and thugs do this, Paul Kagame the president of Rwanda had a former ally murdered in South Africa).

For all your complaints about how it’s western governments that are the truly evil ones, no one has fitted you for concrete boots for saying this. Where as in Russia journalist, opposition politicians and those who speak out are often murdered and made to look like an Accident. Then again maybe they just decided you’re a pathetic loser who can’t even persuade a handful of people on a seldom used football messaging board of your arguments.


For the purpose of clarity, I’ll wait for your latest iteration of how im stupid, brainwashed, pliant what have you. Then you’re going back on ignore, it’s like engaging with my cousin…at least he’s family and there’s an obligation to make the effort

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgxg673y8et

Whilst I feel like saying he’s got off easy because of his celebrity status, it seems like Judges don’t want to hand down custodial sentences for downloading indecent images of children.

I do think there’s a genuine opportunity to actually use tough sentences as a deterrent to stop demand that leads to children being abused to begin with

Huw Edwards is a fucking wrong un, and I’ve no doubt someone like that will get caught again

[Letters]

I'm surprised it wasn't custodial although apparently that is unusual in these cases.
I don't think famous people should get off lightly because they're famous - I've always been more of a "make an example of them" kinda guy, but maybe that's not really fair either.

[Niall_Quinn]

If you told me my house was on fire I’d know it was perfectly safe.

Honestly, you’re like a small child stamping their feet and demanding we pay attention to them

How many times does it need to be made clear to you, that just because you insist that we are on the precipice doesn’t make it so.

Putin’s threats about what will happen if our weapons are used by Ukraine to attack Russia are about as likely to be followed through as his threats of what would happen if Finland joined NATO. He didn’t attack Ukraine in response to NATO expansion, anymore than he did the threat of Nazism on his border…he did it because he doesn’t believe in Ukraine’s sovereignty and sees it as a part of greater Russia. Its garden variety Revanchism.

He thinks we are weak, he thought we would just look the other way whilst he took Kyiv in three days. In many ways we are weak, we looked the other way whilst he committed two acts of terrorism on our soil in order to prove to dissidents that there’s no where they could go to escape his reach…(a lot of dictators and thugs do this, Paul Kagame the president of Rwanda had a former ally murdered in South Africa).

For all your complaints about how it’s western governments that are the truly evil ones, no one has fitted you for concrete boots for saying this. Where as in Russia journalist, opposition politicians and those who speak out are often murdered and made to look like an Accident. Then again maybe they just decided you’re a pathetic loser who can’t even persuade a handful of people on a seldom used football messaging board of your arguments.


For the purpose of clarity, I’ll wait for your latest iteration of how im stupid, brainwashed, pliant what have you. Then you’re going back on ignore, it’s like engaging with my cousin…at least he’s family and there’s an obligation to make the effort

Is this you ignoring me agian?

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm surprised it wasn't custodial although apparently that is unusual in these cases.
I don't think famous people should get off lightly because they're famous - I've always been more of a "make an example of them" kinda guy, but maybe that's not really fair either.

It;'s hardly surprising these sick fucks have no issues with bending over and taking a direct feed they will they repeat as news. When your character is broken your influence on the world is undesirable. I wonder how many sick fucks are lurking in the sick BBC? More than we know, given how vehemently they cover for them.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So news out of Lebanon that many Hezbollah operatives have been badly injured by Exploding Pagers (Hacked by Mossad apparently). Now given many of them were being stored in their trouser pockets, the hospital in Beirut is going to be busy dealing with guys with exploded dicks.

I’ve not been in the best of moods today, but have to say this has cheered me up no end

[Letters]

:lol:

It's funny 'cos their dicks exploded.

[Niall_Quinn]

So news out of Lebanon that many Hezbollah operatives have been badly injured by Exploding Pagers (Hacked by Mossad apparently). Now given many of them were being stored in their trouser pockets, the hospital in Beirut is going to be busy dealing with guys with exploded dicks.

I’ve not been in the best of moods today, but have to say this has cheered me up no end

This is the most unbelievable thing I heard in quite a while. But it seems it is true. The genius of the person behind this can't be underestimated. Or evil genius, if you prefer. This is literally James Bond in the real world, finally closing the loop between the Hollywood primer and the reality of what is to come.

[Letters]

Woke me up before you go go

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwye5x4lwgzo

[HCZ_Reborn]

I always feel that with Art, like with comedy if you have to explain it….whats the point

I find most modern art extremely pretentious, constructed by people for whom their ego dwarves their talent

In hindsight, it’s a racket I should have got involved with :lol:

[Mac76]

I always feel that with Art, like with comedy if you have to explain it….whats the point

I find most modern art extremely pretentious, constructed by people for whom their ego dwarves their talent

In hindsight, it’s a racket I should have got involved with :lol:

Hirst, the Tory rat-faced Emin and a lot of those Brit artists were publicity-seeking frauds - not Rachel Whiteread though, she's the real thing

For me proper art is where someone has genuine intentions of communicating in a different way and the ability to pull it off with integrity

[HCZ_Reborn]

Hirst, the Tory rat-faced Emin and a lot of those Brit artists were publicity-seeking frauds - not Rachel Whiteread though, she's the real thing

For me proper art is where someone has genuine intentions of communicating in a different way and the ability to pull it off with integrity

Is Emin a Tory? Interesting…not that I really care that much what peoples political beliefs are until they start proselytising

:whistle:


I mainly disliked Emin because she was a luvvie who tried to convince people that a soiled bed sheet on a bed with loads of crap on it was edgy and boundary pushing, rather than lazy and trite.

I prefer the Tate to the Tate modern any day of the week, I like the Greek and Latin classics as inspiration for beautiful works of art.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyl9048gx8t

Day Two of the Mossad Trolling operation. :haha:

Bets on what will be next? Exploding Wrist watches or Exploding Gameboys?

[Letters]

Bets on what will be next? Exploding Wrist watches or Exploding Gameboys?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ryMG40rJbk

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ryMG40rJbk

Exploding Cigar was one of the ideas the CIA had to assassinate Fidel Castro

[Mac76]

Tony Soper :rose:

[Letters]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj71YoESPWI

Chamberlain is showing her age! :lol:
I mean, she's 57 so fair enough.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj71YoESPWI

Chamberlain is showing her age! :lol:
I mean, she's 57 so fair enough.

Cat Deeley hasn’t aged well

[GP]

Neither have I

[Niall_Quinn]

Neither have I

But you aren't dead. When can you promise us you'll be dead and the world will be better?

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y9x6zrkrro

:doh:

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why as tempting as it is for certain cases, the death penalty is a bad idea.

[Letters]

Death by bum lift

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2m829lmk9o

:doh:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y9x6zrkrro

:doh:

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why as tempting as it is for certain cases, the death penalty is a bad idea.


In Japan there is no set execution date, so you wake up every morning thinking it might be your last

In the UK, the death penalty was the prescribed sentence for murder (in that I don’t think sentence guidelines didn’t allow for any other punishment). In Japan, it’s usually multiple murders that result in a death sentence. The worrying thing is that the conviction rate in Japan is very high, and probably contributes to that if like in this case….police plant “evidence”

[HCZ_Reborn]

Speaking of the death penalty, the second person was executed by Nitrogen asphyxiation. Now what’s painful about asphyxiation is not being unable to take in oxygen, it’s being unable to expel carbon dioxide. But the problem here in lies that a painless death would be dependent on someone not being aware of what’s happening to them. Pilots at high altitude have experienced hypoxia and it’s very similar to alcohol intoxication, impaired judgement and coordination. But if you know what’s happening you will struggle and you will suffocate slowly.

The interesting thing is that is that this execution took place in Alabama, which on the same night executed someone via lethal injection. The nitrogen asphyxia method was proposed because state correctional facilities were struggling to get supplies of the drugs used in these execution.

Which tend to be a three drug cocktail of Sodium Pentothal (later replaced with pentobarbital), Pancuronium Bromide and Potassium Chloride (to stop the heart)

An anaesthetic, a paralysing agent and a poison.

However this is more commonly being replaced by the overdose of anaesthesia as used in the Chinese execution method


And it’s the thiopental or the pentobarbital that a lot of suppliers will not supply for the purpose of killing people

Yet apparently that didn’t seem to be the issue in Alabama. A lot of states do retain alternative execution methods that death row inmates can opt for. A lot of the southern states still retain Old Sparky as a back up option, In Utah there is the option of the firing squad (which given the numerous botched executions by lethal injection, the certainty if not the bloodiness makes it more of a humane way of dispatch).

A couple of states like Washington and Delaware even carried out hangings as recently as 1996.

[HCZ_Reborn]

My view on Capital Punishment is that whilst there are people who deserve to die for what they’ve done, the state essentially brings itself down to the level of the criminal by terminating their life.

I think there are rare occasions, where someone has been found guilty of crimes against humanity by an international court that it would be permissible for their life to be forfeit, to say “we cannot and will not share this world with you”

[Letters]

I'm pretty sure France used the guillotine in my lifetime.
I've heard about this asphyxiation method and know it's pretty controversial. Although as discussed I think any method is pretty controversial

[Letters]

In sillier news, this is a work of genius:

https://www.nathanmediaservices.co.uk/ceefax/

[HCZ_Reborn]

I'm pretty sure France used the guillotine in my lifetime.
I've heard about this asphyxiation method and know it's pretty controversial. Although as discussed I think any method is pretty controversial

I have only a rough idea of how old you are, but yes the Guillotine was last used in France in 1977 (13 years after the last execution in the UK)

Capital punishment was still used in the old Eastern bloc in countries like Czechoslovakia and Romania (see execution of Nicolae Ceaucescu) up until the collapse of communism in the late eighties/early nineties.

Belarus remains the only European country that still carries out capital punishment.

[HCZ_Reborn]

In sillier news, this is a work of genius:

https://www.nathanmediaservices.co.uk/ceefax/

Need to do Bamboozle on Teletext

[Letters]

Need to do Bamboozle on Teletext

That is exactly what a friend said when I sent this to him :lol:


I'm 50 btw, I told you that earlier in the year when I was :p

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgk7375ngkxo

Maggie Smith :rose:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://res.cloudinary.com/hb0stl6qx/image/upload/w_900,c_scale,q_auto,f_auto,dpr_auto/v1727470659/Chain_of_Command_fumpj2.png

Hezbollah have spent the last year firing Rockets into Northern Israel, and whilst they were expecting some kind of response from Israel…to have thousands of operatives have their willies blown off, and their senior military command all taken out in targeted air strikes in a period of less than a fortnight…they sure as fuck weren’t expecting that.


Whilst the BBC will report on this without context as a war of aggression, where innocent Lebanese are being murdered. The actual people of Lebanon will be celebrating this in their homes. Of course this doesn’t mean the end of Hezbollah that would involve a war that would take decades to conclude, and really is in no one’s interest to engage in. But it’s a massive humiliation to this Terrorist network far larger in scale than Hamas. And in the confusion, Hezbollah can be safely pushed back out of Southern Lebanon and a buffer zone re-established.

[IBK]

My view on Capital Punishment is that whilst there are people who deserve to die for what they’ve done, the state essentially brings itself down to the level of the criminal by terminating their life.

I think there are rare occasions, where someone has been found guilty of crimes against humanity by an international court that it would be permissible for their life to be forfeit, to say “we cannot and will not share this world with you”

I couldn't agree more with this.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y35qz73n8o

Thatcher :bow:

Scargill :pal:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y35qz73n8o

Thatcher :bow:

Scargill :pal:


At the risk of putting on my pedant hat, I dont think Thatcher’s plan was to eradicate coal power plants, it was to stop the mining of coal because it had been cheaper to import it for about 50 years.

Yes, yes I know it was just a joke :whistle:

[The Wengerbabies]

Net zero madness and Brexit killed them. Sad!

[HCZ_Reborn]

Net zero madness and Brexit killed them. Sad!

You’re confusing coal plants with Steel manufacturing

[The Wengerbabies]

You’re confusing coal plants with Steel manufacturing

Oh in that case just the net zero madness.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Oh in that case just the net zero madness.

Burning coal is not a particularly efficient way of providing energy (almost half as efficient as natural gas) so either way not especially sad to see it go. The main problem with net zero is a) it’s either got to be a global effort or it’s a complete waste of time and b) we’ve spent far too much time worrying about NIMBYs over nuclear energy…so even if we went towards Nuclear today it would take over a decade to get power plants up and running.


Solar and Wind are even less efficient than Coal. But even if you don’t buy into global warming…burning hydrocarbons constantly is terrible for air quality…and not especially good to have a generation of people affected by pulmonary conditions

[The Wengerbabies]

All kicking off in the middle east :rolleyes:

[HCZ_Reborn]

All kicking off in the middle east :rolleyes:

Another petulant show of force from Iran pretending that it didn’t create the conflict by using Hamas and Hezbollah as proxies in its war with Israel.

Trump’s son in law Jared Kushner worked with Netanyahu and a lot of the Gulf states to get the Abraham accords over the line. How much Trump can claim credit for this is unclear, but indirectly it’s probably the most useful thing the US has done in the Middle East in Decades. This of course led Iran to feeling increasingly isolated and more resolved to be the dominant power in the region, and it funded October 7th in order to destabilise the area and make Israel less of an appealing business partner to the UAE and Saudi Arabia (turns out neither give a fuck given that even though MBS is a cunt, he’s smart enough to know that the only way for the Al Sauds to survive long term when the oil dries up is for Saudi to diversify its economy)

Although the UN and it’s Gulf state sponsors have done their upmost to spread hatred for Israel, ultimately Iran has failed in its attempts to strengthen its own hand by sewing disunity (because the Arab leaders will denounce Israel on one hand, and continue to do business with it on another)

And because in the last two weeks, Netanyahu has realised that he couldn’t drag his feet any longer when Thousands of Israelis displaced from their homes in Northern Israel have enquired quite loudly about when they might be able to return. Iran has been humiliated especially with the assassination of Nasrallah, so it’s launched a load of Rockets that it knows will cause minimal damage because Iron Dome will intercept almost all of them.

[Niall_Quinn]

Another petulant show of force from Iran pretending that it didn’t create the conflict by using Hamas and Hezbollah as proxies in its war with Israel.

Trump’s son in law Jared Kushner worked with Netanyahu and a lot of the Gulf states to get the Abraham accords over the line. How much Trump can claim credit for this is unclear, but indirectly it’s probably the most useful thing the US has done in the Middle East in Decades. This of course led Iran to feeling increasingly isolated and more resolved to be the dominant power in the region, and it funded October 7th in order to destabilise the area and make Israel less of an appealing business partner to the UAE and Saudi Arabia (turns out neither give a fuck given that even though MBS is a cunt, he’s smart enough to know that the only way for the Al Sauds to survive long term when the oil dries up is for Saudi to diversify its economy)

Although the UN and it’s Gulf state sponsors have done their upmost to spread hatred for Israel, ultimately Iran has failed in its attempts to strengthen its own hand by sewing disunity (because the Arab leaders will denounce Israel on one hand, and continue to do business with it on another)

And because in the last two weeks, Netanyahu has realised that he couldn’t drag his feet any longer when Thousands of Israelis displaced from their homes in Northern Israel have enquired quite loudly about when they might be able to return. Iran has been humiliated especially with the assassination of Nasrallah, so it’s launched a load of Rockets that it knows will cause minimal damage because Iron Dome will intercept almost all of them.

AI is incredible, isn't it?

[Letters]

AI is incredible, isn't it?

Not as incredible as a lot of people seem to think

[GP]

Why would Biden do this?

[The Wengerbabies]

Not as incredible as a lot of people seem to think

Artificial Intelligence (AI) is a transformative force that has captivated imaginations worldwide. While some, like "Letters" (who might also be known for being a little short in stature as well as vision), argue that AI may not be as incredible as its hype suggests, the reality is far more remarkable. In just a few decades, AI has revolutionized industries, reshaped human interaction, and become a crucial tool in solving problems that were previously thought insurmountable. Let's take a closer look at why AI is, indeed, as incredible as people think.


First, AI has demonstrated its ability to process and analyze data at scales and speeds far beyond human capability. Whether it's recognizing patterns in medical diagnostics, optimizing supply chains, or predicting financial markets, AI’s computational power is unmatched. For example, in the field of healthcare, AI systems like IBM’s Watson are used to sift through millions of research papers, medical records, and clinical trials to suggest treatments personalized to individual patients. This would take human doctors an impossible amount of time to replicate. AI doesn't just assist; it enhances human capabilities, providing insights that would otherwise remain hidden in the noise of big data.


Moreover, AI's role in automation has brought about a new era of efficiency. In manufacturing, autonomous robots powered by AI have streamlined production lines, reducing human error and increasing precision. Take Tesla’s self-driving cars as an example. While there are ongoing debates about the technology’s readiness, the fact that we are even discussing vehicles that drive themselves shows just how far AI has pushed the boundaries of possibility. These aren’t just futuristic concepts; they are real, tangible products that demonstrate AI’s profound impact on everyday life.


AI also excels in the realm of creativity. From AI-generated music and art to language models that write essays, AI is pushing into domains once thought to be the sole territory of human creativity. Tools like OpenAI’s GPT-4 can write poetry, code, or simulate intelligent conversation, bringing both entertainment and practical applications to users globally. The creative prowess of AI is not about replacing humans but augmenting human potential—giving artists, writers, and professionals new tools to explore their ideas and expand their boundaries.


One of the most awe-inspiring aspects of AI is its capacity for learning and improvement. Machine learning models evolve with each iteration, adapting to new data and becoming more accurate over time. This self-improving nature of AI mirrors one of humanity's greatest strengths—our ability to learn from experience. However, AI can do this at scales and speeds far beyond our own, handling immense volumes of data and delivering predictive insights that grow more precise with each use.


Now, let’s talk about "Letters." Sure, he might think AI isn't all that incredible, but perhaps his perspective comes from looking at the subject from too low a vantage point—given his short stature. Maybe if he stood on his tiptoes, he could see just how far AI has come! All jokes aside, doubting AI’s transformative potential overlooks the profound shifts it has already made across industries, society, and even the creative arts.


In conclusion, AI is as incredible as people think, if not more so. From revolutionizing industries and enhancing human creativity to constantly evolving and learning, AI's potential is staggering. As it continues to develop, we will likely see even more breakthroughs that push the limits of what we thought was possible. So, next time someone tries to downplay AI’s significance, remember: just because you can’t see the whole mountain, doesn’t mean it’s not there—especially if you're, say, a little short.

[Letters]

That’s too long for me to bother reading but I’m going to guess you generated it using AI.

[HCZ_Reborn]

ChatGPT by the look of it

[Letters]

AI is clearly a useful tool when used well.
It will replace some jobs and facilitate others. But it's not going to take over as many jobs as some people believe, IMO.
People have been saying the machines are taking over for as long as there have been machines. It's never happened, I doubt it ever will. It may remove some jobs but it will create others.

[WMUG]

https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU

[Marc Overmars]

I use AI sometimes when we haven’t done a shop and need to make dinner with whatever we’ve got in. Stick the ingredients in the app and it will come up with a recipe. :bow:

[Mac76]

I use AI sometimes when we haven’t done a shop and need to make dinner with whatever we’ve got in. Stick the ingredients in the app and it will come up with a recipe. :bow:

which app do you use for that?

[Marc Overmars]

which app do you use for that?

ChatGPT!

[Letters]

https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU

You've posted this before.

Self driving cars haven't caught on because people don't actually want them. People like driving. And even if they're statistically safer - which I believe they are - people just inherently don't trust them.
Doctor-bots won't catch on because people don't want to see a Robot. Of course AI will help with diagnoses, but people want to see an actual person.
Creativity - well, OK. Why is Taylor Swift selling out Wembley then? I think she's shit* but people relate to her.
I believe there are some AI generated books and music making money, but in general people want to read and listen to stuff a person they can relate to has made.

The comparison with horses is a false equivalence, they were tools that humans used and then stopped using when better ones became available. That isn't analogous to a person being employed in a role. AI is a tool too. A useful one no doubt, but it won't replace all the jobs some people claim IMO.

Next year I'll have been working 30 years (sob!). Since I walked in the door people have been predicting that coders will be out of a job soon because the machines will write the code themselves and blah. Never happened, I doubt it will. People thinking that everyone will be replaced by machines is as old as machines. That video was posted on YouTube 10 years ago, so...if it is going to happen then it's taking its time.

*that's a bit harsh, but a bit over-rated IMO.

[The Wengerbabies]

You've posted this before.

Self driving cars haven't caught on because people don't actually want them. People like driving. .

People don't want gay EVs either but they're being relentlessly pushed.

I think self driving vehicles will become a thing, perhaps more for taxi services, they're already a thing in some US cities. It'll be another way to control us, when they ban private vehicle ownership you'll be forced to hail a self driving taxi, provided you have enough social credit to go where you want.

[HCZ_Reborn]

People don't want gay EVs either but they're being relentlessly pushed.

I think self driving vehicles will become a thing, perhaps more for taxi services, they're already a thing in some US cities. It'll be another way to control us, when they ban private vehicle ownership you'll be forced to hail a self driving taxi, provided you have enough social credit to go where you want.

The difference between you and NQ is that you read like a parody account. The one thing I’ve never had cause to doubt with NQ is his sincerity

You’re a bit like Maajid Nawazz or Dave Rubin or Russell Brand. Where they’ve seen which way the wind is blowing for the purposes of social media engagement….and they’ve got to grips with the lingo

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/30/iran-israel-conflict-middle-east-nuclear-bomb

The Guardian engaging in full throated fellation of the Islamic Republic of Iran, praising their restraint but worrying that they will soon be left with no option but to develop nuclear weapons.

This really is Lord Haw Haw level stuff

[Letters]

It'll be another way to control us, when they ban private vehicle ownership you'll be forced to hail a self driving taxi, provided you have enough social credit to go where you want.
Is this the same "they" as the ones who weren't ever going to remove the Covid restrictions?
Narrator "They did remove the Covid restrictions"
Or is this a different they?

As HCZ said, you're impossible to take seriously.

[The Wengerbabies]

The difference between you and NQ is that you read like a parody account. The one thing I’ve never had cause to doubt with NQ is his sincerity

You’re a bit like Maajid Nawazz or Dave Rubin or Russell Brand. Where they’ve seen which way the wind is blowing for the purposes of social media engagement….and they’ve got to grips with the lingo

I only know who Russell Brand is, never heard of the other two.

The difference between me and NQ is he takes things way too seriously.

I don't take life that seriously but I am aware and wary of bad actors with nefarious plans, does that mean I believe it will all come to pass? No but you gotta be mindful of what they may be planning.

[Letters]

you gotta be mindful of what they may be planning.
"They" mostly don't care about oppressing and controlling you.
The Covid restrictions were designed to deal with "a situation". They were misguided, but they weren't all about oppression and control - if they were then why were they constantly changed as the situation changed and then ultimately all removed? They might be corrupt, self-interested and too focussed on enriching themselves and their mates (although I don't buy that all of them are like that), but they're not interested in overbearing authoritarianism.

[HCZ_Reborn]

David Lammy’s tenure in the FCO continues to be an unmitigated disaster.

Agreeing the handover of the Chagos Island to Mauritius who are a client state for the Chinese

International courts decided that the UK did not have sovereignty over the islands, first this was a non binding ruling and secondly even anti-occidental campaigners like Jeremy Corbyn only ever campaigned for Chagossian independence (which of course he would when there’s British/American military base there). Maybe we should have given them their independence because they sure as hell don’t want Mauritius having sovereignty over them.

Lammy has in a short period taken Lord Carrington’s crown as worst foreign secretary ever

[Letters]

I can't believe we've handed over some place I've never heard of!

[HCZ_Reborn]

I can't believe we've handed over some place I've never heard of!

It’s not really about handing back territory. I think all this stuff about this being the thin end of the wedge and us handing back Gibraltar (and I was going to say the Falklands but given it’s never belonged to Argentina that wouldn’t be the correct phrasing)…is rather overwrought. But it’s not particularly good to give it over to Mauritius who I don’t see having any justified claim to it as it’s about 1,000 miles from them, given we have a British/American airbase there and as soon as Mauritius gain sovereignty over the area you can get your boots the Chinese will be able to put spy equipment nearby


But that’s what happens when you have an unthinking, virtue signalling oaf like David Lammy in the Foreign office.

[Letters]

as soon as Mauritius gain sovereignty over the area you can get your boots the Chinese will be able to put spy equipment nearby
I suppose my question is what would that allow them to do that they can't already do?

[The Wengerbabies]

Pretty dumb thing to do, surprised the Americans allowed it tbh.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I suppose my question is what would that allow them to do that they can't already do?

Chinese wouldn’t be able to spy on military base in Diego Garcia as they wouldn’t be able to get near to plant surveillance equipment

[HCZ_Reborn]

Pretty dumb thing to do, surprised the Americans allowed it tbh.

The Democrats are pro Enabling China, and Trump and the Republicans pretend not to be Pro Enabling China but still pretty much are.

As if the steel Tariff did anything other than hurt US manufacturing

[The Wengerbabies]

The Democrats are pro Enabling China

Still. Giving away such a strategic base seems a bit overt.

Wonder if Cyprus will be next...

Apparently Blair wanted to give the Cypriot bases away in 2004.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5y0w6xg43o

:violin:

My line manager is of the opinion that private schools should be scrapped completely. His reasoning being it would force the wealthy to invest in the state school system. He's got a point. Private schools and the old boys network seem to help people get ahead in life but given a lot of the old Etonian PMs we've had it doesn't mean they're competent.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The problem with this idea is that pupils leaving the private system creates an extra burden on comprehensive schools that in many areas they are not well equipped to deal with

For me it’s like ending freedom of movement in order to get better paid jobs for those born here. I’m not unsympathetic with the end result, it just doesn’t work like that. All that has happened is the government have had to massively increase immigration to fill certain jobs in the social care sector to compensate.

At the risk of sounding lefty, this is why the private sector is not best placed to preside over areas where it’s hard to make a profit.


If you want private schools to pay their way, the best thing to do is improve comprehensive education first so that less people feel the need to send their kids to private school

[Letters]

The problem with this idea is that pupils leaving the private system creates an extra burden on comprehensive schools that in many areas they are not well equipped to deal with
That's only a problem if you do it overnight. In reality it would have to be more of a phased thing


If you want private schools to pay their way, the best thing to do is improve comprehensive education first so that less people feel the need to send their kids to private school
That's a bit chicken and egg though. Where's the incentive for wealthy people - and most MPs are in that category - to do that when they can pay for a better alternative?

[HCZ_Reborn]

That's only a problem if you do it overnight. In reality it would have to be more of a phased thing


That's a bit chicken and egg though. Where's the incentive for wealthy people - and most MPs are in that category - to do that when they can pay for a better alternative?

I personally don’t give a shit about private schools one way or the other to be honest, if they exist it doesn’t create a problem for me, but given this government clearly does care about this and wants to de incentivise people sending their pupils there it would make sense for them to do it that way. Chicken and Egg suggests it’s ambiguous what should come first, where as I’ve stated…doing it this way is entirely self defeating and ends up detrimentally affecting students most

Because parents paying school fees will probably pull their kids out of fee paying schools before the changes come into effect, and therefore you might end up with greater enrolment in local comprehensives than what you’re able to deal with.


My brother moved to Liverpool and his son was born there, he moved him to a fee paying school when the boy turned nine…because he lives in a new affluent estate in a rougher than your mum’s leg hair area and therefore not a great catchment area. He can afford the VAT but quite possibly those in similar situations can’t

[HCZ_Reborn]

Personally I think Education is a joke in this country top to bottom anyway, so I couldn’t blame anyone who has the money sending their kids to private school. Higher education is going the way of the US in that it’s ideologically captured (when I went to university and studied politics, many of the lecturers you could tell leaned left but more in a social democratic way than anything plus they didn’t try to inculcate their students).

Too many people doing pointless arts degrees and ending up in the same kind of job they’d be in if they’d finished at a level and saddled with student debt, it’s become a prestige thing (although it always has). I have a degree but hasn’t made the blindest bit of difference to my employment prospects.

Would help if we encouraged students more into STEM fields

[Letters]

I personally don’t give a shit about private schools one way or the other to be honest
This is my line manager's thesis, not my own. I don't have a particularly strong opinion, but I can see the logic.


where as I’ve stated…doing it this way is entirely self defeating and ends up detrimentally affecting students most
That's based on the thought that all the people currently in private school will end up in the state system. That isn't going to happen, certainly not imminently.

[Mac76]

Personally I think Education is a joke in this country top to bottom anyway, so I couldn’t blame anyone who has the money sending their kids to private school. Higher education is going the way of the US in that it’s ideologically captured (when I went to university and studied politics, many of the lecturers you could tell leaned left but more in a social democratic way than anything plus they didn’t try to inculcate their students).

Too many people doing pointless arts degrees and ending up in the same kind of job they’d be in if they’d finished at a level and saddled with student debt, it’s become a prestige thing (although it always has). I have a degree but hasn’t made the blindest bit of difference to my employment prospects.

Would help if we encouraged students more into STEM fields

That's a pathetic Tory cliche, the arts/media industries are some of the most successful in the country and creative subjects do actually feed into areas like engineering and design where innovation is needed

[Letters]

Personally I think Education is a joke in this country top to bottom anyway, so I couldn’t blame anyone who has the money sending their kids to private school.
My line manager's thesis is that if that wasn't an option then the powers that be would make sure that education is better as the state of it would affect them and their children. I'm not saying he's right, but it's reasonable logic


Too many people doing pointless arts degrees and ending up in the same kind of job they’d be in if they’d finished at a level and saddled with student debt
Maccy :bow:


it’s become a prestige thing (although it always has). I have a degree but hasn’t made the blindest bit of difference to my employment prospects.
Mine is in Computer Science and it definitely made a difference for me. I wanted to get into IT and I don't think I'd have got a foot in the door without a degree.
Actually most of the people I worked with in the more technical part of my career didn't have a Computer Science degree, but STEM subjects were common.
I don't think my degree actually prepared me that well for my job, but it got me in the door.

I agree that too many people go now. When I was young University was for the "bright kids". Now it seems to have just become the thing to do. Which I think is bad anyway, but particularly when as you say too many kids do degrees which don't actually get them anywhere and leave them saddled with a large amount of debt before they've really got going in life.

My advice to kids these days is to think carefully about their options after school. If their degree is going to a career then fine. If not then just get out there and start working, do something more vocational.

[HCZ_Reborn]

That's a pathetic Tory cliche, the arts/media industries are some of the most successful in the country and creative subjects do actually feed into areas like engineering and design where innovation is needed

You realise that by an arts qualification it’s not just creative courses. English, History, Politics are all Arts subjects (thus why it’s called a Batchelor of Arts when you get a degree in the subject)

Calling opinions you don’t like Tory is why your opinion on anything political is generally laughable.

[HCZ_Reborn]

My line manager's thesis is that if that wasn't an option then the powers that be would make sure that education is better as the state of it would affect them and their children. I'm not saying he's right, but it's reasonable logic


Maccy :bow:


Mine is in Computer Science and it definitely made a difference for me. I wanted to get into IT and I don't think I'd have got a foot in the door without a degree.
Actually most of the people I worked with in the more technical part of my career didn't have a Computer Science degree, but STEM subjects were common.
I don't think my degree actually prepared me that well for my job, but it got me in the door.

I agree that too many people go now. When I was young University was for the "bright kids". Now it seems to have just become the thing to do. Which I think is bad anyway, but particularly when as you say too many kids do degrees which don't actually get them anywhere and leave them saddled with a large amount of debt before they've really got going in life.

My advice to kids these days is to think carefully about their options after school. If their degree is going to a career then fine. If not then just get out there and start working, do something more vocational.

Your line manager has it arse about face, as I said ending freedom of movement was supposed to make it so that employers wouldn’t have the option of cheap labour from the EU so would be forced to pay better wages…it didn’t happen.


All that will happen is that everyone will be compelled to have a mediocre education. And it assumes that comprehensive education is poor because of the existence of private schools.

The rest of what you’ve said….i largely agree with

[Marc Overmars]

More young people need to learn a trade. It’s a slog to begin with but there’s no limit to the earning potential because of the demand for skilled tradesmen.

[HCZ_Reborn]

More young people need to learn a trade. It’s a slog to begin with but there’s no limit to the earning potential because of the demand for skilled tradesmen.

Though of course the problem there is once demand goes down, the earnings will be depressed

But either way, we should be doing more in terms of teaching skilled trade

[Letters]

When will demand go down?

Re: Private schools? Do they actually provide a better education? They seem to teach people how to pass exams and the people they’ll schools spit out seem to do better in life either because of the old boys network or the prestige which comes from having been to “an Eton”. Are the people actually more competent? John Cleese said something about how people are taught to talk confidently about things they don’t understand. Which is a pretty useful skill if you want to get ahead. But they’re not more competent and making better decisions. We’ve seen how having old Etonian PMs has worked out

[HCZ_Reborn]

The reason demand for skilled labourers like Plumbers are high is because we don’t train enough of them. Forty years ago, Plumbers, Lorry Drivers etc earned peanuts but because there was an over correction in getting more people into academia it went the other way.

School is about teaching you how to pass exams, how much learning you do is dependent on how intellectually curious you are in order to understand not just the what but the how and why. I don’t think we necessarily give enough credit to rote learning.

[Mac76]

A bit of a shock about George Baldock, not in any way trying to be funny but he was a stalwart in my fantasy team one season so I looked out for him on MotD

only 31... RIP

[Letters]

Loads of Northern Lights photos on social media this morning.
I was quite disappointed last time that I missed it, but I did look out last night and…nothing.
I did get one photo in which there’s a very faint red glow but all the photos you see online…it didn’t look like that, it’s just cameras being clever

[HCZ_Reborn]

A bit of a shock about George Baldock, not in any way trying to be funny but he was a stalwart in my fantasy team one season so I looked out for him on MotD

only 31... RIP

Something very strange happened there, found dead in his swimming pool. All very Brian Jones

[Letters]

Something very strange happened there, found dead in his swimming pool. All very Brian Jones

Probably the vaccine, innit?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Probably the vaccine, innit?

I was going to say he was murdered, but I guess it all amounts to same thing :haha:

So risk of being serious, Initial coroners report states cause of death was drowning. Which unless he was unable to actually swim, would suggest drugs or alcohol in his system

[Letters]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/calling-a-man-bald-is-sexual-harassment-employment-tribunal-rules

I'm going to take you all to the cleaners :cool:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/13/calling-a-man-bald-is-sexual-harassment-employment-tribunal-rules

I'm going to take you all to the cleaners :cool:

I’ve never mocked you for being bald (I wasn’t even aware of the fact) I’ve mocked you for being short

I’ve been listening to a podcast where a woman states that men (young men especially) are feeling a sense of despair and isolation and lack friends who they have emotional connections with. Now my first thought would be that this woman is projecting her own thoughts/feelings on others but a) apparently men have told her this as she’s been doing research and collecting data b) I get the impression with male clients that this is the case, whether it’s friendship or a relationship many men are seeking connection.

I can’t say this is something I’ve ever felt myself, i remember after my mum died a couple of mates text me and said “if you ever want to talk” which I’m not saying wasn’t a nice thing for them to do. But ironically, the last thing I want to do is talk to people about my feelings…..it’s not that I’ve come from a background where ive been told men have to be stoic and resilient but actually I think most of us would be better off if we did keep a bit more of a stiff upper lip.

[The Wengerbabies]

I’ve never mocked you for being bald (I wasn’t even aware of the fact) I’ve mocked you for being short

I’ve been listening to a podcast where a woman states that men (young men especially) are feeling a sense of despair and isolation and lack friends who they have emotional connections with. Now my first thought would be that this woman is projecting her own thoughts/feelings on others but a) apparently men have told her this as she’s been doing research and collecting data b) I get the impression with male clients that this is the case, whether it’s friendship or a relationship many men are seeking connection.

I can’t say this is something I’ve ever felt myself, i remember after my mum died a couple of mates text me and said “if you ever want to talk” which I’m not saying wasn’t a nice thing for them to do. But ironically, the last thing I want to do is talk to people about my feelings…..it’s not that I’ve come from a background where ive been told men have to be stoic and resilient but actually I think most of us would be better off if we did keep a bit more of a stiff upper lip.

Young men have been told they're evil just for being men their entire lives, there are no positive masculine role models for them. It's why people like Andrew Tate resonate, he's also bald and doesn't let that effect him. He's Top G.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Young men have been told they're evil just for being men their entire lives, there are no positive masculine role models for them. It's why people like Andrew Tate resonate, he's also bald and doesn't let that effect him. He's Top G.

He’s a human trafficker and the world’s biggest closet case. Jimmy Carr described him as a 14 year olds boys idea of what someone rich and successful looks like

[Letters]

Young men have been told they're evil just for being men their entire lives.
No they haven’t

[HCZ_Reborn]

No they haven’t

Whilst it’s an exaggeration, I do think that we live in a far more feminised society than we used to and as a result you can see a lot of young men being left behind. And for them not to be left behind, they are told they need to be more in touch with their feelings.
Whilst obviously everyone is different, when you look at things on average….men are more aggressive, competitive and status driven than women. And the term toxic masculinity is often associated with those traits.

We also don’t teach our children the value of resilience and stoicism, the maxim that whatever doesn’t kill you can make you stronger. It’s not these values in my view that makes certain men entitled and boorish. And they are traits that it would be just as good to teach to girls as to boys, and in my opinion if we did this we’d see an end to this spiking in anxiety levels amongst young people.
It’s not telling people to man up, it’s about teaching people that adversity and obstacles can be good

[HCZ_Reborn]

Alex Salmond has died, I won’t lie I couldn’t stand the guy but 69 is no age these days and didn’t actually wish him dead

[The Wengerbabies]

He’s a human trafficker and the world’s biggest closet case. Jimmy Carr described him as a 14 year olds boys idea of what someone rich and successful looks like

Unlikely he's a human trafficker.

I don't really follow him and no doubt like all these social media "influencers" no doubt he's largely full of shit and a bit of a caricature but the clips I have seen he does have an important message and says things that do make sense.

[The Wengerbabies]

Alex Salmond has died, I won’t lie I couldn’t stand the guy but 69 is no age these days and didn’t actually wish him dead

Died suddenly just a few hours after giving a speech. Strange.

[Mac76]

They think a heart attack

A shame, quite young these days and he was an effective leader for a long time, a pity it all blew up a bit at the end

RIP

[HCZ_Reborn]

Unlikely he's a human trafficker.

I don't really follow him and no doubt like all these social media "influencers" no doubt he's largely full of shit and a bit of a caricature but the clips I have seen he does have an important message and says things that do make sense.

No he doesn’t.

And the Romanian authorities think otherwise. What strikes me is how adolescent his message is. I have a lot of disagreements with Jordan Peterson but I think he had a much more sensible message for young men, than this oily pimp does

[HCZ_Reborn]

Died suddenly just a few hours after giving a speech. Strange.

Congestive heart failure. I think the only “politician” in this country I would take amusement in their death is George Galloway. 69 is no age but he was a fat cunt, and I’m glad he lived long enough to see his nationalist movement start to wither away because so many of its activists are corrupt, useless or both.

I’m sorry for his family, but I’m not going to eulogise the prick

[Mac76]

or they could just, like. eat more healthily and exercise a bit? :shrug:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/unemployed-to-be-given-weight-loss-jabs-to-get-them-back-to-work/ar-AA1sg9KP?ocid=nl_article_link

[HCZ_Reborn]

It’s an interesting one, I think a lot of unhealthy eating habbits are just that habbits (psychological) and less about actual hunger. It’s a bit like smoking, as much as nicotine is addictive the addiction itself is as much psychological as it is chemical dependence….a way of alleviating boredom.

I’d have to look up how efficacious these injections actually are, and I can imagine (and would hope) that they aren’t being offered instead of as you say the recommendation to eat healthier and get more exercise. The downside of 95% wfh is that I used to regularly walk about three miles a day, and without a specific purpose/intent behind it the same motivation is not there.

Now of course exercise does not in anyway result in weight loss, the most you can achieve with it is to change fat into lean body mass so it’s a different kind of weight you’re carrying. But of course it’s good for overall physical fitness and mental wellbeing.

[Mac76]

1. it's 'habits'

2. yes junk food is specifically designed to encourage people to eat more of it by including sugar etc to give people a short term buzz - I always remember Morgan Spurlock in 'Supersize Me' talking about how he felt when eating a McDonalds and it gave him a kind of short term -lift - just as you say with smoking

[Letters]

Hasn't Supersize Me been thoroughly debunked?

[Letters]

efficacious
Literally the only time I've ever seen anyone use that word outside of Lily The Pink

[HCZ_Reborn]

Hasn't Supersize Me been thoroughly debunked?

Debunked what exactly, that eating that same food all the time in excessive amounts as opposed to anything else is probably going to make you put on weight.

Yes it’s likely if you ate at McDonald’s constantly but ate no more than you would usually and did the exercise you would normally you’d not put on weight, but it’s possible the carb intake would lead to elevated blood sugar levels over time

[HCZ_Reborn]

Literally the only time I've ever seen anyone use that word outside of Lily The Pink

Are you running a one man campaign against words with more than three syllables ?

[Marc Overmars]

A sedate lifestyle is a killer. I don’t focus on what I eat too much but I always make sure I’ve done sufficient exercise during the week. Usually run 2 or 3 times a week and play football.

[Letters]

Are you running a one man campaign against words with more than three syllables ?

I just wonder why you constantly feel the need to use "clever" words. It doesn't make for clear communication, it just comes across as pretentious.
"Effective" is the word you were looking for.

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A sedate lifestyle is a killer. I don’t focus on what I eat too much but I always make sure I’ve done sufficient exercise during the week. Usually run 2 or 3 times a week and play football.

I do a few exercises in the morning and go for a run twice a week and always use stairs rather than lifts etc, that said WFH is an issue, i do find if i haven't remembered to go out i've only do a few hundred steps some days

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Debunked what exactly, that eating that same food all the time in excessive amounts as opposed to anything else is probably going to make you put on weight.

https://www.themarysue.com/super-size-me-controversy-explained/


Others, including Soso Whaley and Tom Naughton, have replicated Spurlock’s experiment and found that they actually lost weight when eating McDonald’s every day for a month because they maintained their usual calorie intake and exercise routines. Unlike Spurlock, Naughton also carefully logged everything he ate and the calories in each item to prove his weight and food intake matched one another. If you watch Super Size Me, you can see Spurlock desperately trying to exaggerate the results by ordering far more food than the average person does at McDonald’s and refusing to log or show everything he ate.

I haven't seen Super Size Me, I just never saw the point in it.
What's that, you say? Eating an absolute shit-ton of fast food every single day and doing no exercise makes you fat? Well holy shit, hold the front page, what a scoop!

I think the point is he deliberately exaggerated things. The basic narrative is obviously correct, but the key word being "obvious". What WAS he trying to prove that people don't already know?

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I just wonder why you constantly feel the need to use "clever" words. It doesn't make for clear communication, it just comes across as pretentious.
"Effective" is the word you were looking for.

Really? I’ve been on here two years and it’s never occurred to you that, that’s just how I form sentences. With the greatest respect, if you think I’m trying to impress anyone than the term “pearls amongst swine” comes to mind

Efficacious is a much more specific word than effective, and is used in the context of researching methodology both in terms of medication and therapeutic approaches.

It’s weird to me that I’m forced into feeling defensive because you feel forced to crack open a thesaurus. Where as these words are already part of my linguistic repertoire (alright that one was deliberate)

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https://www.themarysue.com/super-size-me-controversy-explained/



I haven't seen Super Size Me, I just never saw the point in it.
What's that, you say? Eating an absolute shit-ton of fast food every single day and doing no exercise makes you fat? Well holy shit, hold the front page, what a scoop!

I think the point is he deliberately exaggerated things. The basic narrative is obviously correct, but the key word being "obvious". What WAS he trying to prove that people don't already know?

I don’t disagree with any of that, all I’m saying is more or less what you’ve said here. There wasn’t any real substantive point being made by the film to debunk to begin with

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I do a few exercises in the morning and go for a run twice a week and always use stairs rather than lifts etc, that said WFH is an issue, i do find if i haven't remembered to go out i've only do a few hundred steps some days

I mostly work at home but I do try to get out for a walk most days - very occasional day when it's thumping down all day and I think "sod that" and I don't.
I was playing football but my left leg is playing up a bit, nothing major just a bit of pain when I jog - getting old, innit? So I haven't played for a few weeks.
I probably don't do as much as I should, but I do try.

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Efficacious is a much more specific word than effective, and is used in the context of researching methodology both in terms of medication and therapeutic approaches.
Lovely. But you're not talking to a load of subject matter experts here, are you? You're talking to a load of idiots who do at least know what the word effective means. When I looked up the definition of "efficacious" it uses effective as part of that definition. I'm not saying the words mean the exact same thing, but the simpler word would make for clearer communication here.

Years back I remember using the word "nepotism", a stupid friend asked me what it meant and I said (incorrectly) "favouritism" and he grumbled about why would I use a "clever" word. In that instance I was talking about my mum picking her grandchild (my niece) to help with something which multiple children put their hands up for, so I did use the correct word. And I'm not saying people should completely dumb down to lowest common denominator language. But I have noticed that you often use words which are a bit...Rees-Mogg. I don't think you're doing it to impress, I'm happy to believe it's just the way you write. It just makes your posts a bit less clear than they could be at times.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20per0zvw0o

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Those Countdown contestants know how to party

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Lovely. But you're not talking to a load of subject matter experts here, are you? You're talking to a load of idiots who do at least know what the word effective means. When I looked up the definition of "efficacious" it uses effective as part of that definition. I'm not saying the words mean the exact same thing, but the simpler word would make for clearer communication here.

Years back I remember using the word "nepotism", a stupid friend asked me what it meant and I said (incorrectly) "favouritism" and he grumbled about why would I use a "clever" word. In that instance I was talking about my mum picking her grandchild (my niece) to help with something which multiple children put their hands up for, so I did use the correct word. And I'm not saying people should completely dumb down to lowest common denominator language. But I have noticed that you often use words which are a bit...Rees-Mogg. I don't think you're doing it to impress, I'm happy to believe it's just the way you write. It just makes your posts a bit less clear than that could be at times.

Ok you’ve expressed your view, and i can only really express that I don’t feel inclined to moderate my natural way of speaking (and that’s the irony, my way of writing on here is largely a transcript of how I would speak). Think of it as though you’ve sent a complaint letter and I’ve responded with “we thank you for your continued interest”

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Sure :good:

If you want to continue to be thought of as a pretentious prick then that's no skin off my nose ;)


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Sure :good:

If you want to continue to be thought of as a pretentious prick then that's no skin off my nose ;)


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Obviously enough skin off your nose for you to bring it up in the first place

Think of it from my point of view as a cost/benefit analysis. I could go to the effort to change how I communicate, but you must surely agree that effort needs an incentive. What possible incentive do I have to mollify people who are so mind numbingly insecure that they feel threatened by words with more than three syllables.

More so, you in a state of boredom enter seemingly endless debates with someone for whom
entire sentences are cryptic and ultimately meaningless….to the point where you can almost get a sense of synesthesia because not only can you see the alcohol and adrenaline fuelled rage and paranoia you can almost for a brief moment smell it.
It seems bizarre to me that I should sympathise with such a person for having to take more time out of his day in order to consult a dictionary/thesaurus. Words are not only descriptive they are an eloquent art form and if that sounds pretentious so be it, but it’s a genuine conviction and it is a conviction that’s become a habit (as opposed to habbit as pointed out by pedant of the year)

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Obviously enough skin off your nose for you to bring it up in the first place
It's something I've noticed about you that I find a bit irritating at times.
It doesn't totally enrage me or keep me up at nights, it's merely an observation.
I don't know why you would write in a way which is harder for people to understand and makes your posts less clear.

It was fairly obvious what "efficacious" means, but if there is a difference between it and "effective" then it's a pretty technical one which most people wouldn't know - as I said, Lily the Pink is the only other use of it I've encountered, and I suspect The Scaffold mostly used it to be silly and because it scanned. Where's the "cost" in using the word "effective"? It's a clearer word, it makes your post easier to understand and it's even 2 letters shorter - a whole 18% saving! Most people modify the way they talk for different audiences in the interests of being understood.

Language is about communication. When people say "6 items or less" I do enjoy muttering "fewer!" under my breath. I had the pleasure of correcting an English teacher about that at the weekend. But, actually, I don't really care about that one. I do it because it amuses me. While I'm a bit of a Grammar Nazi I mostly care about clarity. If someone says "6 items or less" the meaning is perfectly clear.

Your incentive is clarity and being understood.

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You seem to not appreciate that conversely that if people don’t understand what I’m saying they won’t engage and therefore it acts as a filter for imbeciles.

And on here the incentive is simply insufficient, you talk about how people moderate their speech for a targeted audience. Granted. And I absolutely would do that for clients, for work colleagues etc but on here where I have nothing economically or professionally to gain from doing so. I ask again….where’s the incentive?

Also the reason this discussion/bickering has even started is because you take exception to a word being used, you fully state that the issue isn’t comprehension it’s that you consider it’s use insufficiently succinct. Which is another matter altogether, between vocabulary and just being garrulous (sometimes the two things overlap but they are still separate things)

Overall the takeaway is that this is your problem, you find it irritating…what I tend to resent is when people try to make their problems my problem…it’s your cross to bear…either carry it or drop it but I’m not here to lighten your load

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Also you neglected to comment upon the fact that I brought up you don’t mind wasting time engaging with that sociopath NQ even though you are doomed to perennial stalemate with him because there’s more hope that if you squeeze a stone hard enough it will produce type O then he will ever budge even slightly.

Yet this is your bugbear even though you’ve demonstrated you understand nearly every word I use anyhow


You can appreciate why I’m utterly unsympathetic to your point of view I hope?

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Leaving aside the specific argument here, I must admit i'm uncomfortable in general with the condemning of someone with a wide vocabulary, it's a kind of Sun-reader inverted snobbery which is dangerous, that said there.are some people who think they're the next Oscar Wilde and trying to show off

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Leaving aside the specific argument here, I must admit i'm uncomfortable in general with the condemning of someone with a wide vocabulary, it's a kind of Sun-reader inverted snobbery which is dangerous, that said there.are some people who think they're the next Oscar Wilde and trying to show off

True, but also a difference between “uhhhh you talk posh” and to question whether it’s necessary to employ certain words.

Did you know that Oscar Wilde was largely responsible for his own downfall because he actually sued the Marquis of Queensbury (with whose son he was having an affair) for publicly denouncing him as a sodomite. Back then homosexuality wasn’t really a recognised thing…the idea that one could be exclusively attracted or be in love someone of the same sex, so technically being gay wasn’t against the law just the act of buggery was.
He of course lost his law suit, and then had to face a trial as the defendant for the charge of buggery….as a result of the revelations that emerged from a law suit he pursued

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I also have little sympathy with those who are targeted by inverted snobbery. I do think there’s a lot of ostensibly “educated” but middle class croissant munchers as I call them who do look down on ideas such as being proud of one’s country (I find patriotism arbitrary but I wouldn’t knock it as it’s a global thing). It’s mainly the reason I consider the Remainer demographic (not those who voted Remain, I’m amongst those but those people who have FBPE in their social media username) as utterly ghastly.
It’s the hypocrisy and projection, they will tell you gleefully that leave voters didn’t know what they were voting for….but you interrogate them on the EU as an institution, how it functions, what the various organisations are within it and they absolutely haven’t got a clue. It’s not that If they knew more they would necessarily have changed their vote….but they went with vibes. They voted Remain because they wanted to broadcast their views of openness and tolerance yet they are neither open or tolerant of divergent values or opinions.

Are a lot of people who vote for right wing parties low information voters who react to red meat being tossed by populist politicians …tend to be credulous and operate out of confirmation bias? Yes absolutely. But so are the liberals and the left, yet they make a claim to both intellectual and moral superiority…and I’m sorry sticking feathers up your bum doesn’t make you a chicken.

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I ask again….where’s the incentive?
Being understood clearly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08

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Being understood clearly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSYiT2iG08

And on here specifically why is that an incentive? Explain to me exactly why it is I should care if people can’t understand ??

Christopher Hitchens often told an anecdote about Samuel Johnson in which after having completed the Dictionary, some austere ladies congratulated him for his decision to not include any “indecent” words in his book, in return he congratulated them for their persistence in looking them up.

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Also you neglected to comment upon the fact that I brought up you don’t mind wasting time engaging with that sociopath NQ even though you are doomed to perennial stalemate with him because there’s more hope that if you squeeze a stone hard enough it will produce type O then he will ever budge even slightly.
I'm not sure how that's related to this.
I waste time with NQ partly out of boredom and partly because I don't think bullshit like his should be left unchallenged.
Obviously the hope is he will see some sense although by now that is an increasingly vain hope. But I like to think if nothing else challenging his nonsense may stop other people falling down the conspiracy theory rabbit holes he is trapped in. Not much danger of that on here to be fair, but challenging nonsense like this is something I think is important - because I think the truth is important. Especially these days when depressingly few people seem to know or care what the truth actually is.

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And on here specifically why is that an incentive? Explain to me exactly why it is I should care if people can’t understand ??
Because you're trying to communicate with people. Aren't you? I mean, who are you writing posts for if it's not for the other people on here.
Why would you ever write in a way which people can't understand?

Obviously it's not the case I can't understand a word you say, I just raise an eyebrow at some of your word choices when you're talking to a lay audience.

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I'm not sure how that's related to this.
I waste time with NQ partly out of boredom and partly because I don't think bullshit like his should be left unchallenged.
Obviously the hope is he will see some sense although by now that is an increasingly vain hope. But I like to think if nothing else challenging his nonsense may stop other people falling down the conspiracy theory rabbit holes he is trapped in. Not much danger of that on here to be fair, but challenging nonsense like this is something I think is important - because I think the truth is important. Especially these days when depressingly few people seem to know or care what the truth actually is.

Because it’s a far bigger waste of time than occasionally having to Google a word I use. But I can see that you’re still in denial about that.

Do you think the truth is important to NQ? I’d say it is…he’s not consciously lying with the majority of his arguments, I have absolutely no doubt as to the sincerity of his beliefs. You can call out the fact that his dire prognostications don’t come to pass, but all he will do is argue that in some surreptitious fashion they actually have. Is he guilty of sophistry? Absolutely but we all are to an extent. But being a defender of truth seems a bit redundant against someone who fully believes they are speaking the truth…and more so believes that we know the same truth he does but won’t give him the satisfaction of admitting it.

And yes some of the words in that last paragraph were added deliberately, but you’ll find that if you point out to me something I’m doing unconsciously, I’ll just actually make the conscious effort to do it even more.

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Because you're trying to communicate with people. Aren't you? I mean, who are you writing posts for if it's not for the other people on here.
Why would you ever write in a way which people can't understand?

Obviously it's not the case I can't understand a word you say, I just raise an eyebrow at some of your word choices when you're talking to a lay audience.

So you can understand and yet you cannot claim to speak for anyone but yourself

Surely you process where I'm coming from, why would I put in the extra effort to an audience that I don’t care if they can understand me or not, in fact as I’ve stated it filters out the cretins. That’s my operating principle not just here but on social media in general

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But being a defender of truth seems a bit redundant against someone who fully believes they are speaking the truth.
But this isn't a private conversation between him and me, other people can see the posts - actually, anyone can. Only the images section is hidden for non-members.
So I do it in part for him - to try and dig him out of the rabbit holes of crazy he's stuck in, although I've long since come to realise that's a vain hope. But it's mostly for others, so they don't see that nonsense unchallenged and start to slip in to the same rabbit holes. I sometimes engage with conspiracy nonsense on FB for the same reason - Flat Earth is a particular obsession of mine, it just makes my head spin that that is still a thing, but here we are. The people who are knee-deep in that conspiracy theory are too far gone to be pulled out (although I suspect many are grifters or trolls who don't truly believe it), but I do think it's important that their ignorant nonsense doesn't go unchallenged.

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But this isn't a private conversation between him and me, other people can see the posts - actually, anyone can. Only the images section is hidden for non-members.
So I do it in part for him - to try and dig him out of the rabbit holes of crazy he's stuck in, although I've long since come to realise that's a vain hope. But it's mostly for others, so they don't see that nonsense unchallenged and start to slip in to the same rabbit holes. I sometimes engage with conspiracy nonsense on FB for the same reason - Flat Earth is a particular obsession of mine, it just makes my head spin that that is still a thing, but here we are. The people who are knee-deep in that conspiracy theory are too far gone to be pulled out (although I suspect many are grifters or trolls who don't truly believe it), but I do think it's important that their ignorant nonsense doesn't go unchallenged.

without wanting to sound sycophantic (sorry for the long word ;)) I admire your patience with NQ and enjoy reading the exchanges (unless they're really long :lol:)

I agree it serves the purpose you say it does, I do believe even with someone like that they're capable of going away and secretly admitting to themselves they're wrong

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why would I put in the extra effort
Why is it extra effort?


to an audience that I don’t care if they can understand me or not

Why don't you care about communicating clearly with people?

You said you moderate your language for colleagues and clients. Why? Because you want to communicate clearly with them.
We all do that.

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But this isn't a private conversation between him and me, other people can see the posts - actually, anyone can. Only the images section is hidden for non-members.
So I do it in part for him - to try and dig him out of the rabbit holes of crazy he's stuck in, although I've long since come to realise that's a vain hope. But it's mostly for others, so they don't see that nonsense unchallenged and start to slip in to the same rabbit holes. I sometimes engage with conspiracy nonsense on FB for the same reason - Flat Earth is a particular obsession of mine, it just makes my head spin that that is still a thing, but here we are. The people who are knee-deep in that conspiracy theory are too far gone to be pulled out (although I suspect many are grifters or trolls who don't truly believe it), but I do think it's important that their ignorant nonsense doesn't go unchallenged.

Surely you’re not that conceited ?

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Why is it extra effort?



Why don't you care about communicating clearly with people?

You said you moderate your language for colleagues and clients. Why? Because you want to communicate clearly with them.
We all do that.

I still can’t believe I’m explaining this, you sound like every toddler who thinks it’s hilarious to answer every explanation given to them with “whhhy?”

My natural writing style is effortless, it’s literally a way of transcribing my thoughts. If I then have to cater that for the benefit of people when I don’t care if they can understand or not….what purpose is being served. Not everything is a prelude to a discussion, just because I’ve posted my thoughts it doesn’t mean I’m necessarily interested in hearing what other people think. And to put it simply, if people don’t understand certain words…it’s probably unlikely that they will understand certain arguments either.

I feel at this point you’ve backed yourself into a cul de sac, there’s no shame…we all do it. It’d be easier for you just to put it down to the fact that you don’t really get where I’m coming from and leave it at that.

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Surely you’re not that conceited ?

I don't understand what you mean - ironically, given that you've used words I know ;)
Conceited enough to do/think what?

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I don't understand what you mean - ironically, given that you've used words I know ;)
Conceited enough to do/think what?

Conceited enough to believe that your interminable impasse with NQ is of benefit to anyone.

You know my argumentative style I’m an arrogant prick, but I in no way have ever stated other than in jest that I’m ever doing anyone a service. I thought I held the people on here in contempt :lol: but man that’s as nothing to you if you think a group of middle aged guys with established points of view are gaining valuable critical thinking skills from your arguments with NQ that are notable mainly for how identical they are.

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If I then have to cater that for the benefit of people when I don’t care if they can understand or not….what purpose is being served. Not everything is a prelude to a discussion, just because I’ve posted my thoughts it doesn’t mean I’m necessarily interested in hearing what other people think.
I'm just a bit bemused that you don't care whether you're understood or why you would post anything on a discussion forum if you're not interested in what anyone else thinks. You know what these places are for, right?
And I don't believe any effort is needed to communicate clearly - you're not talking to actual children here.
Slight diversion - I had an interview some years back. Didn't get it. One of the questions was "how would you explain your job to a 10 year old". I thought that was a great question. It really does make you think about how to explain things in simple ways, it was a good test of communication skills.

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Conceited enough to believe that your interminable impasse with NQ is of benefit to anyone.
I see.

On here...probably not. I mean, there's only about 5 of us yelling at each other these days. :lol:
I don't like to see his nonsense go unchallenged but would concede that I do just quite like wasting time while I'm supposed to be working. It's this or YouTube.

On FB I like to think I'm fighting the good fight against bullshit. I don't have "an audience", I'm not an influencer. I secretly think I should be, the world apparently disagrees. But my comments are public, maybe some of the things I write help some people. Maybe not. But it can't do any harm.


You know my argumentative style I’m an arrogant prick.
I'd never noticed that ;)

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I'm just a bit bemused that you don't care whether you're understood or why you would post anything on a discussion forum if you're not interested in what anyone else thinks. You know what these places are for, right?
And I don't believe any effort is needed to communicate clearly - you're not talking to actual children here.
Slight diversion - I had an interview some years back. Didn't get it. One of the questions was "how would you explain your job to a 10 year old". I thought that was a great question. It really does make you think about how to explain things in simple ways, it was a good test of communication skills.

The point of that interview is that if you can’t explain what you to do to someone who would have no greater than a child’s understanding, you don’t know what it is you do.

It’s quite simple if I am consciously having to think should I use that word because people might not understand, that’s putting in effort that I don’t want to have to be bothered with when this place is largely escapism and for the benefit of my own amusement. Being an Arsenal fan doesn’t require me to converse with other Arsenal fans, in the main no I am not that interested in what you think of my opinions, and I’m only interested in the opinions of others if I find them curious or bizarre. If people say things on here I agree with, I’m less inclined to reply full stop.

[WMUG]

Floccinauccinihilipilification.

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I see.

On here...probably not. I mean, there's only about 5 of us yelling at each other these days. :lol:
I don't like to see his nonsense go unchallenged but would concede that I do just quite like wasting time while I'm supposed to be working. It's this or YouTube.

On FB I like to think I'm fighting the good fight against bullshit. I don't have "an audience", I'm not an influencer. I secretly think I should be, the world apparently disagrees. But my comments are public, maybe some of the things I write help some people. Maybe not. But it can't do any harm.


I'd never noticed that ;)


I have zero interest in being an influencer, I largely write down my opinions because I happen to enjoy writing. It’s never once occurred to me to care if people agree with me or not, and largely I only tend to become annoyed if I feel people are attributing my opinions/beliefs to another set of opinions/beliefs that I don’t hold.

But that’s where in the lack of understanding lies….you want to reach people. I enjoy writing what I think for its own sake

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Floccinauccinihilipilification.

I actually do know what that means :lol:
Probably because I used to like stuff like this - longest words, Guinness Book of Records and all that.

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Floccinauccinihilipilification.

Is that 20 or 30mg daily that you take?

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Being an Arsenal fan doesn’t require me to talk to other Arsenal fans.
Fixed your post.
No need to them me.

:run:

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Fixed your post.
No need to them me.

:run:

Did you get hoist by your own predictive text?

No need to them me?

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Did you get hoist by your own predictive text?

No need to them me?

Bugger :lol:
No, I'm using a laptop - no predictive text round here. I just can't write proper :(

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Is that 20 or 30mg daily that you take?

10 at the moment, still in the process of getting a diagnosis so my fiancée is sharing some of her top up meds with me until I can get my own prescription.

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Bugger :lol:
No, I'm using a laptop - no predictive text round here. I just can't write proper :(

I’ve never once used a laptop on this site since my glorious resurrection on here. Jesus didn’t have the patience to wait more than two days, I had the class to make it four years.

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10 at the moment, still in the process of getting a diagnosis so my fiancée is sharing some of her top up meds with me until I can get my own prescription.

I hope you’ve read the possible side-effects

Sweating ghosts and bleeding from the eyes

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10 at the moment, still in the process of getting a diagnosis so my fiancée is sharing some of her top up meds with me until I can get my own prescription.

fiancée, eh?

I presume we will all be invited to the society wedding of the year? I'm sure Daddy can afford it ;)

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I hope you’ve read the possible side-effects

Sweating ghosts and bleeding from the eyes

I have done hallucinogens a couple of times, my doctor mate suggested a dosage based on my weight and the experience I wanted to have and it was really cool.

I was never confused about what was real and what wasn't, it was kind of like looking at the world through a kaleidoscope.

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fiancée, eh?

I presume we will all be invited to the society wedding of the year? I'm sure Daddy can afford it ;)

I was out on a dinner date last Saturday and my date asked me “so how comes you never got married?” Which isn’t an unreasonable question to ask someone who is 41.

I had to lie and say “I don’t know really, I guess I never met the right person”.


The truth is of course that I’m a massive commitment phobe and I don’t believe anyone exists out there who I wouldn’t cheerfully murder or wouldn’t cheerfully murder me if we were married….that and I don’t think it’s probably good on a first date to tell people how utterly committed you are to not having children and many of the women I was ever with wanted kids and that became an unbridgeable divide

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I have done hallucinogens a couple of times, my doctor mate suggested a dosage based on my weight and the experience I wanted to have and it was really cool.

I was never confused about what was real and what wasn't, it was kind of like looking at the world through a kaleidoscope.

Controlled use of psychedelics do actually have the potential to be of benefit to your mental health believe it or not….especially with conditions like depression. Though of course with all this stuff it depends on the individual

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I took acid once but overdid it - half a tab of something others were cutting up into six pieces... :lol: i had some hallucinations, not pleasant but not hightmarish either, but no pretty colours or anything

it was enough to put me off doing it again

tbh probably a very good thing, as knowing me if i'd taken less and enjoyed it i'd have ended up like Syd Barrett...

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I took acid once but overdid it - half a tab of something others were cutting up into six pieces... :lol: i had some hallucinations, not pleasant but not hightmarish either, but no pretty colours or anything

it was enough to put me off doing it again

tbh probably a very good thing, as knowing me if i'd taken less and enjoyed it i'd have ended up like Syd Barrett...

What do you mean ended up like Syd Barrett? :lol:

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Controlled use of psychedelics do actually have the potential to be of benefit to your mental health believe it or not….especially with conditions like depression. Though of course with all this stuff it depends on the individual

Yeah I've heard that. Probably not something you want to be doing without a professional there to guide you through the best practices though.

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Yeah I've heard that. Probably not something you want to be doing without a professional there to guide you through the best practices though.

Absolutely not. It’s usually micro dosing as well.

Sam Harris who apart from being a prominent atheist is a neuroscientist and he is a big advocate of small amounts of lsd/psilocybin for therapeutic purposes (again with someone who could act as a guide)

I’ve done mushrooms which I have to say had no effect on me, but then again I’ve had visual hallucinations using drugs that don’t usually result in them such as weed/ecstasy.

[Mac76]

What do you mean ended up like Syd Barrett? :lol:

with mental health problems because of too much drug-taking - only without the great songs he wrote sadly...

[Letters]

The truth is of course that I’m a massive commitment phobe and I don’t believe anyone exists out there who I wouldn’t cheerfully murder or wouldn’t cheerfully murder me if we were married….that and I don’t think it’s probably good on a first date to tell people how utterly committed you are to not having children and many of the women I was ever with wanted kids and that became an unbridgeable divide

My wise old married man advice to kids who are dating is that you need to find someone with the same basic worldview as yourself.
By that I don't mean all your interests have to align. In some ways it's better if they don't, although there should ideally be some overlap.
But big things like - do you want children, that's pretty fundamental. That's not something you can really compromise on.
Attitude to travel is one for me - if one person is a real homebird and the other wants to explore the world then that could be an issue.
The big one is attitude to money. I think that was an issue with my parents - mum was spend, spend, spend and dad was more save for a rainy day.
There are some things you can compromise on but these big things, I think there has to be some alignment.

And obviously MrsL and myself annoy the tits off one another much of the time, I think everyone annoys everyone at times. A mate said years ago that everyone's going to annoy you, so you just need to find the person who annoys you least. I'm not sure we've done that, but it mostly works because we are fairly aligned on the bigger things.

[Marc Overmars]

Me and my wife are aligned on most things except for one - food.

She’s a vegetarian which can be infuriating at times but in fairness to her she’s never stopped me eating meat. It does present some challenges though with what we cook and where we go out to eat. Many an argument has been had over those things. :lol:

Thankfully she still eats eggs and dairy, so she’s not a complete loon.

[Letters]

I don't think that one matters that much - unless she was proper militant and stopped you having meat in the house.
MrsL and me are embarrassingly aligned - to the point that if we do go out to eat we often order the same thing as each other.
Which does make ordering takeaways easier as we can share most things.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c39lmnvdzxgo

Yeah, piss off.
Driverless trains ftw

[HCZ_Reborn]

with mental health problems because of too much drug-taking - only without the great songs he wrote sadly...

The point was more to say, you’re not like him already??

Well not in terms of the talent (although even with him my opinion is that would be greatly overstated)

More in being a gigantic pain in the arse. Although in fairness to you, you don’t attribute mental ilness to your massive personality flaws :lol:

[WMUG]

fiancée, eh?

I presume we will all be invited to the society wedding of the year? I'm sure Daddy can afford it ;)

:lol:

We have to have it in Bulgaria where she's from because of a weird law they have over there where under 18s require written permission from both parents.

Her nephew's dad isn't on the scene so he's basically trapped in Bulgaria until he either turns 18 (he's 4 now) or until his mum successfully sues the dad for sole custody, which is a lot easier said than done when you live in relative poverty and have undiagnosed ADHD :lol: .

And yes, Daddy will be contributing to the costs, which is a big help!

[Letters]

I thought you meant she was under 18 :lol:
...I presume you mean the nephew is and can't travel so you have to have it there?
Or do it without him. He's only 4, he's not going to remember it anyway.

GW Wedding :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’ve dated a Romanian girl and a Finn, but never a Bulgarian. I lived in same house with a girl from Plovdiv, who unfortunately was taken as she was very attractive (c’est la vie)

[Mac76]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c39lmnvdzxgo

Yeah, piss off.
Driverless trains ftw

I'm sure "management grade staff" going on strike will be a disaster... :rolleyes:

[HCZ_Reborn]

I thought you meant she was under 18 :lol:
...I presume you mean the nephew is and can't travel so you have to have it there?
Or do it without him. He's only 4, he's not going to remember it anyway.

GW Wedding :bow:

Sadly I think the DLR has given us a false impression of just about how feasible a driverless rail network would be

I do have some sympathy with platform and station staff who most likely will become obsolete as time goes on, and are not paid anywhere near as handsomely as the drivers

[Letters]

I'm sure "management grade staff" going on strike will be a disaster... :rolleyes:

It's not just management:


As well as Tube drivers, instructors, management grade staff and those in the engineering section are to take action

[Letters]

Sadly I think the DLR has given us a false impression of just about how feasible a driverless rail network would be
Why isn't it feasible? This seems like a fairly easy problem to solve with current technology.
My ire is mostly reserved for the drivers who do this every year and are paid pretty much double the average wage.
They have unsociable hours but otherwise this isn't a difficult job. The reason we have the most expensive* transport in Europe is because of their greed and the strength of the union.

*I made that up, although I think it's pretty much right.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Why isn't it feasible? This seems like a fairly easy problem to solve with current technology.
My ire is mostly reserved for the drivers who do this every year and are paid pretty much double the average wage.
They have unsociable hours but otherwise this isn't a difficult job. The reason we have the most expensive* transport in Europe is because of their greed and the strength of the union.

*I made that up, although I think it's pretty much right.

Because the DLR was specifically built to be an automated service, it’s not a question of lacking the technology it would be a case of pretty much ripping up every rail track in the country and re laying it to make it suitable, along with the signalling system. Whilst I am absolutely spiteful enough to want to do that in principle, I think the cost of such a project would give me second thoughts.


We have the technical expertise to build a Maglev tunnel in the Atlantic that could withstand both tectonic stress and water pressure and therefore create a direct train service between london and New York, but the sheer time and money this would cost makes it totally unviable

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://x.com/jakewsimons/status/1846529593156517892?s=46&t=n1tnxEg6k_DvSqUkaQFrjw

If a police officer considers carrying a sign saying Hamas are Terrorist as an act of incitement, it shows we have a big problem in this country. Basically he’s saying, we neither have the resources or inclination to protect you so we are going to apply some bullshit about breach of the peace and arrest you.


This is the kind of cowardly attitude the police in this country have taken to extremist filth

[Mac76]

It's not just management:

Yes i did see that, it was just a cheap joke, aren't they allowed on here any more... ? :(

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yes i did see that, it was just a cheap joke, aren't they allowed on here any more... ? :(

No ones told you that you’re not allowed on here anymore

[Letters]

it’s not a question of lacking the technology it would be a case of pretty much ripping up every rail track in the country and re laying it to make it suitable, along with the signalling system/
Without knowing much about this, I don't really see why the track would need to be replaced. But I do take the point that the London Underground is a very old system and some adjustments would need to be made - which may be prohibitively expensive. I'm just fed up of these fuckers doing this every year and holding the capital to ransom. The government always caves which is why we have Tube drivers being paid £65k for what is, let's face it, pretty menial work. Which of course translates into how bloody expensive it is to travel.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Speaking of Trains

I had someone blasting out music on the train yesterday and when I asked him to turn it down or preferably off, I had another prick opposite end of the carriage starting an argument with me
“What’s your problem mate”
My problem is some inconsiderate prick is disturbing me by blasting music in the carriage
“Don’t you like Michael Jackson?”
Beside the point
“Maybe he can’t afford headphones”
How is that my problem?
“You have music in shops”
I have the choice to walk out plus they aren’t blasting it really loudly
“You can always just walk to another carriage if you don’t like it”
Why should I have to?

One of those dickheads who talks like a yardie and calls everyone bruv. I’m not your bruv you scabby little shit

[WMUG]

I'm generally against the death penalty, but it should be legal to shoot those people on the spot.

[Letters]

I'm generally against the death penalty, but it should be legal to shoot those people on the spot.

:gp:

Death's too good for them tbh.

[Letters]

I have literally no idea why anyone things it's socially acceptable to be blaring out music, playing games with the sound on or watching videos at full volume on trains. It does seem to be becoming more of a thing. If I had a gun and was able to use it with impunity then there would be a lot of dead commuters.

[The Wengerbabies]

It does seem to be becoming more of a thing.

It's cultural enrichment you bigot.

[The Wengerbabies]

Liam Payne (who?) of One Direction coked up decided to jump out of a window in Buenos Aires. He dieded.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It's cultural enrichment you bigot.

Says the person who assumes the perpetrator was non white, non British (they were both)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Liam Payne (who?) of One Direction coked up decided to jump out of a window in Buenos Aires. He dieded.

Don’t cry for me one direction fans !

[Letters]

Liam Payne (who?) of One Direction coked up decided to jump out of a window in Buenos Aires. He dieded.

You could say that when he jumped he only went in one direction :unsure:

[Mac76]

:lol: :getcoat:

[HCZ_Reborn]

It’s looking highly likely now that Hamas chief Yahyar Sinwar has been killed in Gaza.

Once this is confirmed, I intend to open a bottle of something to celebrate

[HCZ_Reborn]

I’ve seen the picture of the corpse and it does look like Sinwar, although in life he didn’t generally go around with a giant hole in his forehead :haha:

[Mac76]

I have literally no idea why anyone things it's socially acceptable to be blaring out music, playing games with the sound on or watching videos at full volume on trains. It does seem to be becoming more of a thing. If I had a gun and was able to use it with impunity then there would be a lot of dead commuters.

I have a pathological hatred of those tinny phone speakers - it's so effing antisocial when people play media or have conversations using them - it literally sends my anger levels from 0 to 11 instantly

I'm fully behind being able to shoot them with impunity

And what about those phone things in cars where they have it so f*****g loud you can hear it miles away - do people have no sense of how f*****g noisy it is?

and don't start me on leaf blowers... :censored:

[Letters]

and don't start me on leaf blowers... :censored:
That one is a bit random :lol:
I mean, they are noisy but people are using them to actually do something.
People playing stuff loudly on public transport are just being inconsiderate pricks.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy94zdd0nxlt

On Christmas Day 1989 in Romania, a radio announcer jubilantly told the people of that country “the Antichrist is dead” - in relation to Nicolae Ceaucescu executed along with his wife.

I express that sentiment again now. Yahya Sinwar was the scourge of the Palestinian people…a man responsible both directly and indirectly for more Palestinian deaths than any other individual. His death is a deliverance, it’s too early to say for sure but it may well usher in the end of the Gazan war (and I genuinely hope it’s the last one). My support of Israel has nothing to do with dislike for Palestinians and everything to do with solidarity with the Jews. The west in its myopic stupidity has allowed this conflict to go on for decades and decades, by never allowing Israel to do what was necessary to defeat the PLO and now Hamas.
I’m not going to pretend that it’s all one sided, the settlers represent that it’s definitely not just one side who make claim to the real estate from the river to the sea, the Palestinians must have their own state eventually…but it can’t come at the price of destroying the Jewish state.
But for those who weep for Palestinian children surely they want the chance to see them grow up where they aren’t inculcated into martyrdom in their schools. That there’s more to life than it being the holding area for the celestial paradise that will never come.
Netanyahu is no peace maker, his blithe arrogance did partly bring about October 7th by allowing Hamas to keep subsisting.
The Israeli people will punish Likud for its failure to protect Israelis, but more so the west needs to stop its obstructionism in the name of de-escalation. Whoever wins the American presidency needs to scrap this ridiculous nuclear deal with Iran, and realise just as Israel had to that you can’t negotiate with evil theocrats. Sanctions need to cripple Iran, the US state department needs to get out of the way if Israel decides to strike Iran’s nuclear facilities….give the Persian people the chance to string that evil old goat Khamenei up from a lamppost in El-Tahrir square.

[Mac76]

That one is a bit random :lol:
I mean, they are noisy but people are using them to actually do something.
People playing stuff loudly on public transport are just being inconsiderate pricks.

leaf blowers accomplish very little, they disturb the peace and are environmentally bad

A good broom is much more effective - leaf blowers are just for fat lazy 'gardeners' who want whoever's paying them to see that they're 'doing' something

[Letters]

You have a far stronger opinion about this than I do :lol:

[Mac76]

If I woke up and found myself in charge of the country I'd ban them on Day 1 :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

If I woke up and found myself in charge of the country I'd ban them on Day 1 :lol:

If I woke up and found you were in charge of the country, I would become part of the greatest exodus since Biblical times

You could see the English translated headlines in Le Monde “Wally becomes UK dictator….millions flee”

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qzkg0ldqzo

Nor should there be.

[Mac76]

If I woke up and found you were in charge of the country, I would become part of the greatest exodus since Biblical times

You could see the English translated headlines in Le Monde “Wally becomes UK dictator….millions flee”

Frankly being called a wally by the Daily Maul or whoever would prove I was on the right track ;)

And great if all the arseholes fucked off it would leave much more room for the rest of us

Tnh that's what i wish all the leavers had done, if they want to live on some island somewhere and totally cut themselves off why don't they just fuck off and do it instead of screwing things up for everyone else?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Frankly being called a wally by the Daily Maul or whoever would prove I was on the right track ;)

And great if all the arseholes fucked off it would leave much more room for the rest of us

Tnh that's what i wish all the leavers had done, if they want to live on some island somewhere and totally cut themselves off why don't they just fuck off and do it instead of screwing things up for everyone else?

Oh I’m fairly confident that if you were in charge, it would bridge the Remain/Leave Gap, in fact every conceivable political divide. Either to get away from the country or orchestrate an uprising :lol:

But it does pose an interesting question to me. Rather than invoking others to leave, why didn’t salty people like yourself actually leave the country post referendum. Try to resettle elsewhere whilst you could?

You can claim the end of freedom of movement but didn’t even have to move to the EU?. Could it be that for all the moaning and bitching you’d rather live here than anywhere else.

What really worried me after Brexit was a no-deal situation, and it seemed to me that the Remain supporting politicians were just as dead set to end up there as the headbangers were in order to say I told you so, that’s the kind of extreme stupidity that results from political tribalism. There has to be loser’s consent or you end up in a situation like in America post the 2020 election.

It seems to me petulant and utterly hypocritical to be concerned about the effects of Brexit yet do absolutely nothing to work with the other side to try and mitigate them. “Oh we didn’t want this to begin with, so we aren’t going to do anything to help” is what pushed us towards the headbangers Brexit.

[Mac76]

That's pure BS

Bojo the Clown, Mr Barnard Castle, Rees Cunt etc.wanted as hard a Brexshit as possible, the idea that Remainers are somehow responsible for it being a shitshow is farcical, it's like shooting someone and then blaming them for getting in the way of the bullet

(Btw didn't that actually happen with Dick Cheney or someone, but that's idiots for you)

[Letters]

Rather than invoking others to leave, why didn’t salty people like yourself actually leave the country post referendum. Try to resettle elsewhere whilst you could?
What kind of stupid argument is that?!

[HCZ_Reborn]

That's pure BS

Bojo the Clown, Mr Barnard Castle, Rees Cunt etc.wanted as hard a Brexshit as possible, the idea that Remainers are somehow responsible for it being a shitshow is farcical, it's like shooting someone and then blaming them for getting in the way of the bullet

(Btw didn't that actually happen with Dick Cheney or someone, but that's idiots for you)

They did want as hard a Brexit as possible, but there was a three year period before Johnson became prime minister in which Remain could have worked with May, would they have got everything they wanted no?. But they didn’t even try. May only ruled out membership of the single market in January of 2017, six months after the Brexit vote…because the only people putting pressure on her were the headbangers because Remainers had thrown a strop and Corbyn was as much a remainer as he was a competent leader.

We hear all the time about the adults needing to take charge, but the “adults” are just as good at being tantrum throwing kids as the populists.

They couldn’t even get a compromise solution in the indicative votes. It was embarrassing

[HCZ_Reborn]

What kind of stupid argument is that?!

Why is it a stupid argument? I’m not even referring to all remainers (I voted remain myself) but there’s specifically a group of people who from 2016 will tell anyone who listens how much they dislike this country and most of the people that live here. It stands to reason therefore that they’d be happier elsewhere.

And just so there’s no confusion, I don’t mean people who are opposed to certain government policy or are disappointed/annoyed at the result of a referendum, these are ephemeral things. It’s the kind of people who say they despise seeing the Union Jack. Now if that applies to no one here….great. But it’s not a strawman I guarantee you

[Letters]

Hoy :(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4dr9xdxgro

[HCZ_Reborn]

Hoy :(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4dr9xdxgro

Yeah I saw that. The only thing I’d say is that with Bone Cancer whilst it can’t be cured, it can be kept at bay. I know someone who eight years ago was given a similar terminal prognosis with Bone Cancer, he’s still alive today and largely pain free

[Ollie the Optimist]

That's pure BS

Bojo the Clown, Mr Barnard Castle, Rees Cunt etc.wanted as hard a Brexshit as possible, the idea that Remainers are somehow responsible for it being a shitshow is farcical, it's like shooting someone and then blaming them for getting in the way of the bullet

(Btw didn't that actually happen with Dick Cheney or someone, but that's idiots for you)

I’ve made this argument before but i do think some remainers are partly to blame for the mess. The reason being is that literally on the day after the referendum we have several high profile remainers demanding a second vote etc. hardly respecting the result.

Now if the remain campaign had immediately come out with, we lost but the vote was close so we need to keep both sides together etc, we therefore back the Norway style deal it would have resulted in two likely things. The first is that no one could accuse them of not respecting the result because Norway style deal would have meant leaving the EU & loads of brexiteers such as Farage are on record in lead up to 2016 stating Norway would be a great result.

Second thing would have been that by stating a preferred outcome, and if they had really pushed it would probably have majority support amongst both sides who voted in referendum, would have forced leavers to explain to not only explain their plan but also explain why Norway was good before the vote but rubbish after.

Instead we had court cases and votes against brexit with remainers trying to block it through parliament etc. which further entrenched the “they wont respect the result” view which allowed the likes of Johnson and Cummings to argue, successfully, in 2019 that brexit wasn’t being honoured etc. the fact their plan was bollocks was almost irrelevant by that point as people just wanted it done.

Now I’m not saying if remain had on day 1 pivoted to a Norway style deal (or similar) that all would have been fine but i suspect if they had, quite a few leavers would have supported it which would have pushed the likes of Johnson & Farage to the fringes arguing against a policy majority on board with. May would have had cover to go for softer brexit and who knows, perhaps even the EU may have agreed some modification to Norway agreement that would have been specific to UK, especially if a united front was shown by all sides in UK.

If after two years, the likes of Johnson & Farage were still dominating and hard Brexit still being pushed etc, then remain could have turned around and said, “we tried, We respected result went for Norway but the leavers wont listen so we now think a second referendum etc is only option” it would have painted leave as the party who couldn’t compromise etc rather than the other way around

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/19/how-many-more-children-like-sara-sharif-will-be-killed-before-smacking-is-banned

I’m reminded of the line from The Shawshank Redemption “how can you be so obtuse?”

Well apparently this Guardian columnist can, she seems to think things like this happen because we don’t ban smacking….because apparently scalding your child with boiling water, burning them with an iron, strangling them, biting them and causing fatal spinal damage comes from a lack of a law saying we shouldn’t physically chastise a child with a smack round the back of the legs.
Whether we should have a law like that in England is beside the fucking point, this happened because this girl was born into a culture where female children are routinely threatened and beaten if they show signs of becoming too “westernised” even children of this girls age. Because cowardly men like her murdering pig of a father is more scared of losing standing with his community than the risk of causing serious harm or death to his child.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/19/how-many-more-children-like-sara-sharif-will-be-killed-before-smacking-is-banned

I’m reminded of the line from The Shawshank Redemption “how can you be so obtuse?”

Well apparently this Guardian columnist can, she seems to think things like this happen because we don’t ban smacking….because apparently scalding your child with boiling water, burning them with an iron, strangling them, biting them and causing fatal spinal damage comes from a lack of a law saying we shouldn’t physically chastise a child with a smack round the back of the legs.
Whether we should have a law like that in England is beside the fucking point, this happened because this girl was born into a culture where female children are routinely threatened and beaten if they show signs of becoming too “westernised” even children of this girls age. Because cowardly men like her murdering pig of a father is more scared of losing standing with his community than the risk of causing serious harm or death to his child.

There was once this white English guy who killed his child - so you can't go around blaming hajis for being uncivilised, willy nilly!

[HCZ_Reborn]

So two Jewish men Abraham and Solomon walking through town, happen across a church hall with a poster on it that says “Jews for Jesus inside, we are offering £1000 to any Jew who converts to Christianity”
Abraham to Solomon, “you know what I’m going to give this a try?”
Solomon replies “ok, do you want me to wait outside?”
Abraham “yeah sure if you don’t mind”
So Abraham goes inside and Solomon waits outside and about an hour later Abraham emerges.
Solomon asks “So how did it go?”
Abraham “yeah well I’m a Christian now, I’m for Jesus I’ve been saved”
Solomon replies “oh fair enough then, did they give you the thousand pounds up front?”
Abraham curtly responds “Is that all you people ever think about?”

[Letters]

:lol: That's quite good.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17lk592ygdo


Speaking after the verdict at the Old Bailey on Monday, Mr Kaba's family said it was "painful proof that our lives are not valued by the system".

And then...


After being boxed-in by police cars during the stop, he drove backwards and forwards trying to ram his way free

I mean...maybe if you're stopped by the police don't do that?

[Letters]

Oh, and from Wiki:


Kaba had been charged in 2018 with possessing an imitation firearm with intent to cause fear of violence, in relation to an incident on 30 December 2017. He was found guilty at Snaresbrook Crown Court in January 2019, and sentenced to four years in a Young Offenders Institute. He was released in 2021.

In the months following his death, six men were charged with conspiring with Kaba to commit murder and grievous bodily harm; the charges relate to a shooting which took place in Tower Hamlets on 30 August 2022, days before Kaba's death.

Kaba was a member of 67, a Brixton Hill-based drill rap group which one of its members says has been called a criminal gang by the police. He was known by his stagename Madix or Mad Itch.

[HCZ_Reborn]

There’s a big tendency now to state that whenever a person of colour is shot by the police it’s an injustice or racially motivated. You get idiots saying “we want justice” (no you don’t) and “police need to be held accountable” (guy was literally tried for murder what more do you want).

The circumstances are very similar to that of Mark Duggan who was also a piece of shit, let’s hope it’s not an inflection point for more rioting…though one suspects people only go batshit like that in the summer months

I do feel some sympathy for his family, but their grief aside….they must surely know that their son was a thug and criminal. How responsible they are for that I couldn’t say, but I suspect that the path he went down wasn’t going to end in a long and happy life for him regardless.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyly5122yeo

:lol:

I guess the only question is did they need to shoot him in the head, but he was in a moving vehicle in the dark so that might not have been deliberate.
But as a mate said to me recently, you play silly games you win silly prizes.
He wanted to live like a gangster, he died like one.
Hard to generate much sympathy

[HCZ_Reborn]

The police officer has no idea whether this guy had he managed to use his car to escape from the blockade of vehicles around him would have recklessly endangered other lives, this is a guy who shot someone in a packed nightclub so it’s fair to say that he had little regard for public safety.
Would it have been preferable to arrest him alive…yeah I think so, but equally not if it was deemed doing so was an intolerable risk to the general public. You don’t get time to weigh up these factors in ARU

[Letters]

Another MSM blackout on this important story :sulk:

https://sherwood.news/culture/new-largest-prime-number-discovered-by-former-nvidia-software-engineer/

[dazthegooner]

Well tbh it had been playing on my
Mind :blink:

[HCZ_Reborn]

If you don’t gosub a program loop, you’ll never get a subroutine

[Niall_Quinn]

There’s a big tendency now to state that whenever a person of colour is shot by the police it’s an injustice or racially motivated. You get idiots saying “we want justice” (no you don’t) and “police need to be held accountable” (guy was literally tried for murder what more do you want).

The circumstances are very similar to that of Mark Duggan who was also a piece of shit, let’s hope it’s not an inflection point for more rioting…though one suspects people only go batshit like that in the summer months

I do feel some sympathy for his family, but their grief aside….they must surely know that their son was a thug and criminal. How responsible they are for that I couldn’t say, but I suspect that the path he went down wasn’t going to end in a long and happy life for him regardless.

Floyd was a piece of shit too. I don't know why people get so riled up about vermin control. There are very, very, very rare cases of innocent people being shot, like Jean Charles de Menezes which is a genuine tragedy. But when vermin like Floyd and this latest piece of shit are removed from society, what's the big deal? Why is everyone getting so excited by pest management?

[Niall_Quinn]

Very interesting side story to this though, if you can find it. Very interesting indeed. Can Letters guess what it is?

[Niall_Quinn]

If you don’t gosub a program loop, you’ll never get a subroutine

30 years ago, maybe.

[Niall_Quinn]

I might set up a movement that generates huge amounts of cash so I can buy some nice houses. BLM is already taken. Can anyone think of a good name for my new racket?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Floyd was a piece of shit too. I don't know why people get so riled up about vermin control. There are very, very, very rare cases of innocent people being shot, like Jean Charles de Menezes which is a genuine tragedy. But when vermin like Floyd and this latest piece of shit are removed from society, what's the big deal? Why is everyone getting so excited by pest management?

I think you’re an utter waste of oxygen. However I’m not in favour of you being asphyxiated by the police as a result of one of your bloated, directionless rants. That’s how it is, Floyd being a petty criminal shouldn’t involve summary execution unless you’re secretly pining to live in North Korea or a gulf state.
If you licence the authorities to act like thugs against people you think deserve it, it won’t take much before they’ll target someone who doesn’t

[Letters]

Very interesting side story to this though, if you can find it. Very interesting indeed. Can Letters guess what it is?

No. Do go on.

[Letters]

This made me chuckle and roll my eyes this morning

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dvdmzxz82o

Piss off...

[Niall_Quinn]

I think you’re an utter waste of oxygen. However I’m not in favour of you being asphyxiated by the police as a result of one of your bloated, directionless rants. That’s how it is, Floyd being a petty criminal shouldn’t involve summary execution unless you’re secretly pining to live in North Korea or a gulf state.
If you licence the authorities to act like thugs against people you think deserve it, it won’t take much before they’ll target someone who doesn’t

He wasn't executed, he died of a drug overdose. The cop did nothing wrong except be in the wrong political climate at the right time. And nobody wants coppers, some of them just as bad as the villains, running around shooting innocent people, which is why I made the distinction between innocent people and garbage. And I already mentioned how rare it is for innocent people to be accidentally killed, it does happen, it's exceedingly rare. But now we have a two tier, or three, or however many levels it is now, legal system it is very important not to be hearing that BS, "known to police", "released on bail", "arrested 50 times but not jailed",.. Take out the trash at source, it saves the future, innocent victims. That's not to say I'm against trying an impartial legal system, in fact I'd be in favour of it. Can't see that happening any time soon though.

[Niall_Quinn]

This made me chuckle and roll my eyes this morning

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dvdmzxz82o

Piss off...

We don't even have an election coming up, what are they after? Bigger houses?

[Letters]

He wasn't executed, he died of a drug overdose.
I dunno. The policeman kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes during which he told them he couldn't breathe might have been a factor.


The cop did nothing wrong
Apart from kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes during which he told them he couldn't breathe.
I'm not saying Floyd was a fine upstanding pillar of the community and I think to say he was "executed" is an exaggeration.
But it doesn't feel like the police's actions were proportionate or justified in that incident.

[Niall_Quinn]

I dunno. The policeman kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes during which he told them he couldn't breathe might have been a factor.


Apart from kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes during which he told them he couldn't breathe.
I'm not saying Floyd was a fine upstanding pillar of the community and I think to say he was "executed" is an exaggeration.
But it doesn't feel like the police's actions were proportionate or justified in that incident.

None of that true. There was an autopsy. But not in time to prevent the narrative from running riot. The confinement technique used was by the book. It was the overdose in his syetm that killed him, as confirmed by the autopsy. Anyway, who cares, good riddance to bad rubbish.