"Currants Bw..."

[HCZ_Reborn]

None of that true. There was an autopsy. But not in time to prevent the narrative from running riot. The confinement technique used was by the book. It was the overdose in his syetm that killed him, as confirmed by the autopsy. Anyway, who cares, good riddance to bad rubbish.

No the Autopsy confirmed no such thing

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961

[Niall_Quinn]

No the Autopsy confirmed no such thing

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-new-892530421961

AP News? Well there we are then. Case closed. You are right though, I shouldn't have said died of an overdose, technically that's not correct (even though it's obviously true), I should have said he had an overdose present in his system and did not die from the actions of the cop. He was exhibiting signs of overdose well before he was restrained on the ground, which is why he asked to leave the car. Anyway, who cares? However the piece of shit went out, the main thing is he went out. We should be focused on genuine injustices like the state killing of Peter Lynch.

[HCZ_Reborn]

AP News? Well there we are then. Case closed. You are right though, I shouldn't have said died of an overdose, technically that's not correct (even though it's obviously true), I should have said he had an overdose present in his system and did not die from the actions of the cop. He was exhibiting signs of overdose well before he was restrained on the ground, which is why he asked to leave the car. Anyway, who cares? However the piece of shit went out, the main thing is he went out. We should be focused on genuine injustices like the state killing of Peter Lynch.

I love how utterly predictable you are. Lynch was a scumbag like Chris Kabba, and a perfect example of how the left and the right are perfect mirrors of each other in their disregard for truth and lionising pieces of shit.

[Niall_Quinn]

I love how utterly predictable you are. Lynch was a scumbag like Chris Kabba, and a perfect example of how the left and the right are perfect mirrors of each other in their disregard for truth and lionising pieces of shit.

You love how predictable I am? We have something in common then. Why was he a scumbag? In comparison to the rat that was shot, for example? Was a death penalty commensurate with the truth he told about the scum police who are now "officers" for the state instead of peace keepers serving the people? Which bit did he get wrong?

[HCZ_Reborn]

You love how predictable I am? We have something in common then. Why was he a scumbag? In comparison to the rat that was shot, for example? Was a death penalty commensurate with the truth he told about the scum police who are now "officers" for the state instead of peace keepers serving the people? Which bit did he get wrong?

Death Penalty??? :lol:…he was a fat fuck. Far easier to call it suicide if you want to be exact

Was he a relative of yours? Going by the placard he held a lot of overlapping beliefs

[Letters]

Geoff Capes :rose:

[WMUG]

Death Penalty??? :lol:…he was a fat fuck. Far easier to call it suicide if you want to be exact

Was he a relative of yours? Going by the placard he held a lot of overlapping beliefs

Seems like you're making the same mistake you accused Letters of making the other day.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Seems like you're making the same mistake you accused Letters of making the other day.

True but Well none of us is perfect. I’m also under no illusion that I’m preventing the spread of misinformation. The point of misinformation is you’re only susceptible to it if you’re already inclined to think a certain way.


Plus this is an extension of my a plague on both of your houses contempt for both the left and the right. Both are totally uninterested in objective truth and are more interested in projecting a narrative, both are incorrigibly hypocritical, both are prone to hysteria and both have authoritarian impulses.

[HCZ_Reborn]

And if anyone’s response to that is to ask me whether I think I’m unbiased. The answer is definitely not. The only difference is I prefer to make up my own mind up about individual topic matters and where I fall on them. On certain areas I might lean left, on other areas I might lean right.

[Niall_Quinn]

Death Penalty??? :lol:…he was a fat fuck. Far easier to call it suicide if you want to be exact

Was he a relative of yours? Going by the placard he held a lot of overlapping beliefs

That's what the entirely unreasonable sentence resulted in, isn't it? Over 2 years imprisonment for insulting the police and migrants, which apparently amounts to a serious breach of public order these days, although shoplifting and marching down the road calling for the death of Jews does not. You aren't going to pretend the legal system is impartial, are you? Because if you are then there's no point trying to discuss one of the outcomes of its clear impartiality. You call Lynch a scumbag, that might be true, we can't tell given the entirely biased output of the media which you quote in your mission to deter misinformation. I'm wondering why the same media is so concerned about a dirtbag it thumbnails as a smiling victim, while it substitutes genuine investigation into injustice with mugshots of the"perpetrator" and casual dismissal of the scandalous sentencing. It's not as if we haven't witnessed the whole BLM debacle, remember Arsenal dedicating the stadium to those racketeers who surfed on racial unrest to enrich themselves? Now we see the media bleating again and the same useful idiots bathing in the racism that unapologetically passes for political debate on the left. What's happened to the two "victims" from the airport chaos, are they banged up yet? What about the Labour bloke who wants to slit throats? Or all those Hamas supporting radicals and their overtly racist demands? Locked up? And why are the rape gangs and trafficking gangs afforded anonymity while others are paraded in front of the media for minor offences on Twitter? What about the child molesters? Why do they keep getting suspended sentences, like that sick BBC bloke? Reminds me a bit of reffing in the PL, a light touch for the serious offenders and an iron fist for Arsenal. Obviously the latter isn't on the same level of seriousness, nobody has died of dodgy reffing. Same can't be said of the corrupt legal system that seems determined to allow the serious criminals back into society based on their skin colour or political affiliations. And haven't they just released hundreds more convicted criminals back onto the streets? I bet their victims are chuffed. As you say though, best get this predictable misinformation about the scumbag Lynch out of the way. While we cry for the poor gang-banger who was cut down in the prime of his pristine life. The media can somehow make people believe literally anything.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So I didn’t read most of that, I could be wrong but I don’t think I’d be any more enlightened as a result. But to answer your point, I dont think anything I’ve said suggests I think the justice system is wholly impartial. In fact I’ve made a point of expressing my frustration at the fact that the police don’t come down harder on what anyone who is not completely biased would regard as Pro Palestinian hate marches.

But Lynch was treated no more unfairly than those who took part in the 2011 riots, if you take part in public disorder like that I have no sympathy for you. However additionally your point was to compare him to George Floyd, now if you’re telling me Floyd is a criminal…he is was of course a criminal. If Lynch was asphyxiated on the street like Floyd id equally say that was wrong. And if Floyd ended up in jail and ended up with fatal coronary as a result of his drug taking, I’d be equally unsympathetic as I am to Lynch.

That’s how I work, I think the Muslim who was kicked in the guy by the police officer was a cunt, but my opinion of him was irrelevant….the police shouldn’t be kicking people in the head.

[Niall_Quinn]

So I didn’t read most of that, I could be wrong but I don’t think I’d be any more enlightened as a result. But to answer your point, I dont think anything I’ve said suggests I think the justice system is wholly impartial. In fact I’ve made a point of expressing my frustration at the fact that the police don’t come down harder on what anyone who is not completely biased would regard as Pro Palestinian hate marches.

But Lynch was treated no more unfairly than those who took part in the 2011 riots, if you take part in public disorder like that I have no sympathy for you. However additionally your point was to compare him to George Floyd, now if you’re telling me Floyd is a criminal…he is was of course a criminal. If Lynch was asphyxiated on the street like Floyd id equally say that was wrong. And if Floyd ended up in jail and ended up with fatal coronary as a result of his drug taking, I’d be equally unsympathetic as I am to Lynch.

That’s how I work, I think the Muslim who was kicked in the guy by the police officer was a cunt, but my opinion of him was irrelevant….the police shouldn’t be kicking people in the head.

You haven't read what I said but now you will respond to it? Be re-iterating your points? Okay.

[Letters]

Quincy Jones :rose:

[Letters]

https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/whats-on/things-to-do/popular-noughties-pop-duo-to-visit-pontefract-bar-this-weekend-4855720

Don't all rush at once.

[IBK]

https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/whats-on/things-to-do/popular-noughties-pop-duo-to-visit-pontefract-bar-this-weekend-4855720

Don't all rush at once.

Didn't one of them marry a Lib Dem MP? Life is strange.

[The Wengerbabies]

Pretty shocking scenes in Amsterdam last night, Europe has a huge problem and we all know very well what it it.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Pretty shocking scenes in Amsterdam last night, Europe has a huge problem and we all know very well what it it.

Problem with that assertion is that there is conflicting information.

Ajax fans are thugs, and so on the whole are Israeli football fans. And whilst muzzas could have been responsible, it’s just as likely to be a Barney that got out of hand between two tanked up set of fans

[HCZ_Reborn]

Telling a 20 year old One direction fan in my office, that it’s Liam Payne’s own fault that he’s dead

[The Wengerbabies]

Serious question for you losers, do you seriously not find this concerning?

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1858803173848182941

[Niall_Quinn]

Serious question for you losers, do you seriously not find this concerning?

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1858803173848182941

Dude, ask them about the latest Netflix show if you want some big time feedback. You are asking them about "la la la, can't see, can't hear" issues, what do you think they are going to say?

[Letters]

Serious question for you losers, do you seriously not find this concerning?

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1858803173848182941

This is what that Tweet says:


This judge threw a 20 month sentence at someone for posting on social media that they didn’t want to see illegal aliens being given free stuff with their tax dollars.

And this is the reality:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/riots-facebook-posts-jailed-jordan-parlour-b2593990.html


Jordan Parlour, 28, admitted to publishing posts on Facebook last week which encouraged violence at a hotel in Leeds where 200 asylum seekers and refugees.

He was sentenced with 20 months behind bars in Leeds Crown Court this afternoon, after he wrote on Facebook: “Every man and their dog should be smashing f*** out Britannia Hotel.”

The Tweet dishonestly implies the dude was just expressing legitimate concerns and was thrown in to jail for it. My question is are you being dishonest too or do you just blindly believe anything like this which panders to your prejudices? If the latter then there’s a certain irony to this, given that you’re the sort of person who uses the word “sheeple”. And here you are blindly following anyone on Twitter who tells you what you want to believe. Embarrassing.

To answer the question a bit more seriously, there are some legitimate concerns here, but people who encourage people to smash up hotels where innocent families including children are being housed can go fuck themselves

:tiphat:

[Mac76]

This is what that Tweet says:



And this is the reality:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/riots-facebook-posts-jailed-jordan-parlour-b2593990.html



The Tweet dishonestly implies the dude was just expressing legitimate concerns and was thrown in to jail for it. My question is are you being dishonest too or do you just blindly believe anything like this which panders to your prejudices? If the latter then there’s a certain irony to this, given that you’re the sort of person who uses the word “sheeple”. And here you are blindly following anyone on Twitter who tells you what you want to believe. Embarrassing.

To answer the question a bit more seriously, there are some legitimate concerns here, but people who encourage people to smash up hotels where innocent families including children are being housed can go fuck themselves

:tiphat:

Well and truly knocked out of the park

Letters :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

The question you have to ask yourself is does that warrant a prison sentence or indeed should the law be involved at all

The police at the moment are investigating Allison Pearson, idiotic hack that she is. For a tweet which actually she took down before being arrested.

The same police force where a friend of mine, her friend and her children had to seek refuge with her for a week because even though there was video and text evidence of her ex partner threatening her….they were dragging their feet over arresting him, even when he came to the kids school and threatened the teachers if they did not bring the kids out to see him.

I don’t believe we have a two tier justice system, but I can totally understand why people do. People who post idiotic nonsense on social media are low hanging fruit, the police work and resources involved are minimal. Now I don’t believe for a second that what the guy did should be considered a criminal offence, the charge of incitement needs to have a higher bar. And when so much rubbish gets posted by so many people, it becomes completely arbitrary as to whether someone is arrested or not. And at a time where we are at near capacity in the prison estate, it creates the wrong impression as to priorities.

The longer this continues, the more fuel we provide for people who want to dishonestly push their own narrative

[Letters]

The question you have to ask yourself is does that warrant a prison sentence or indeed should the law be involved at all
It's a good question and as I said there are genuine concerns about the idea someone can be locked up for just saying some stuff online.
But free speech and freedom more generally don't exist in the way NQ defines in the context of living in a society. Like with all things he believes that this is a black and white issue, you're either free or you're not. In reality there are many shades of grey and degrees of freedom. In a society freedom has to be constrained because our words and actions affect other people.

Context is key here. I suspect most of the time the bloke wouldn't have been locked up or even arrested for saying what he said. But in the context of the stabbings, the subsequent lies about them and the unrest that stirred up anyone involved or actively egging people on was endangering lives. I have no issue with that being dealt with.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It's a good question and as I said there are genuine concerns about the idea someone can be locked up for just saying some stuff online.
But free speech and freedom more generally don't exist in the way NQ defines in the context of living in a society. Like with all things he believes that this is a black and white issue, you're either free or you're not. In reality there are many shades of grey and degrees of freedom. In a society freedom has to be constrained because our words and actions affect other people.

Context is key here. I suspect most of the time the bloke wouldn't have been locked up or even arrested for saying what he said. But in the context of the stabbings, the subsequent lies about them and the unrest that stirred up anyone involved or actively egging people on was endangering lives. I have no issue with that being dealt with.

The problem with setting limits to freedom of speech is who defines where those limits are. The reason this guy was arrested was because of the danger they thought his speech could pose. I posted on Facebook the other day that people who play music on carriages should be shaved, sterilised and destroyed…what if an officious police officer decided that this amounted to inciting violence?.

In an ideal world people would be more responsible with the things they say definitely during a period of unrest but we do not want idiots being turned into martyrs. It makes the false assumption that people wouldn’t attack hotels without people like that posting on social media.

[Letters]

The problem with setting limits to freedom of speech is who defines where those limits are.
The government do. They define all the laws which restrict our freedoms. To NQ that's an abomination, to me it's a reasonable consequence and necessity of living in a society.


The reason this guy was arrested was because of the danger they thought his speech could pose. I posted on Facebook the other day that people who play music on carriages should be shaved, sterilised and destroyed…what if an officious police officer decided that this amounted to inciting violence?
I don't disagree there are potential dangers here, but in general I think any reasonable person would understand that you were joking about that. So if an officious police officer did take an interest then I honestly don't believe it would get very far. This dude wasn't joking, he was actively inciting and encourage violence in the context of actual riots which were taking place and endangering lives.


In an ideal world people would be more responsible with the things they say definitely during a period of unrest but we do not want idiots being turned into martyrs. It makes the false assumption that people wouldn’t attack hotels without people like that posting on social media.
I agree that's a false assumption, but I also think that people actively encouraging the behaviour adds fuel the fire and makes it worse. I don't have an issue with that being dealt with. Whether it deserves a custodial sentence...well, I agree that's debatable.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I regard myself as a free speech absolutist, but the problem is a lot of people don’t understand what free speech is. That if you don’t want someone prosecuted for what they say you must agree with what they’ve said. Or conversely that even if you criticise what someone has said, or say that what they’ve said is stupid or disgusting you’re attacking their free speech (no you’re just exercising yours).
Also neither a public or private platform has to publish your opinions, and if an employer considers what you’ve posted to do harm to their business reputation they are well within their rights to dismiss you.

What there shouldn’t be (in my view) is any criminal consequences for what is spoken…incitement to violence has to be a direct and unambiguous thing and can often be taken care of by other criminal laws

[Letters]

incitement to violence has to be a direct and unambiguous thing

Isn't


“Every man and their dog should be smashing f*** out Britannia Hotel.”

Pretty direct an unambiguous? And again, one could make the same argument about what you said (which I agree with by the way). The difference is yours was a clear joke (as is my agreement with it, although they definitely need a poke in the eye).

[HCZ_Reborn]

The government do. They define all the laws which restrict our freedoms. To NQ that's an abomination, to me it's a reasonable consequence and necessity of living in a society.


I don't disagree there are potential dangers here, but in general I think any reasonable person would understand that you were joking about that. So if an officious police officer did take an interest then I honestly don't believe it would get very far. This dude wasn't joking, he was actively inciting and encourage violence in the context of actual riots which were taking place and endangering lives.


I agree that's a false assumption, but I also think that people actively encouraging the behaviour adds fuel the fire and makes it worse. I don't have an issue with that being dealt with. Whether it deserves a custodial sentence...well, I agree that's debatable.


You realise that asking who sets the limits was a rhetorical question. The point being that no individual has a truly objective and unbiased view of where the limit lies, and things like hate crime laws are often subject to interpretation (as they must be).
A reasonable person might also deduce that the guy who has 20 months inside was merely speaking in the heat of the moment and actually spoke about resentments that a lot of people feel, about how services are cut in these communities yet resources can be found to house people who have never lived here or paid into the system. I think it’s an incredibly simplistic point of view, but I can understand why people feel that way.
People say a lot of things when they are angry, often stupid things….if no tangible crime has been committed, it’s really no different from someone who has had a few too many to drink down the pub mouthing off.

A lot of these messages get found by police when they are trying to find the organisers of the riots, who are a bit too intelligent to publicly announce their intentions.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Isn't



Pretty direct an unambiguous? And again, one could make the same argument about what you said (which I agree with by the way). The difference is yours was a clear joke (as is my agreement with it, although they definitely need a poke in the eye).

Firstly it’s not direct and unambiguous. Direct and unambiguous would be “I am calling for all like minded citizens to go to this hotel on this day at this time and carry out x offence”. Secondly, the message was sent after the incident had occurred so there’s no direct causal link between the actual crime and the message.

[Letters]

You realise that asking who sets the limits was a rhetorical question.
I didn't realise that, that's why I answered it :lol:


A reasonable person might also deduce that the guy who has 20 months inside was merely speaking in the heat of the moment and actually spoke about resentments that a lot of people feel, about how services are cut in these communities yet resources can be found to house people who have never lived here or paid into the system. I think it’s an incredibly simplistic point of view, but I can understand why people feel that way.
People say a lot of things when they are angry, often stupid things….if no tangible crime has been committed, it’s really no different from someone who has had a few too many to drink down the pub mouthing off.
I think the difference is the internet. We can chat shit to each other on here fairly safely - let's face it, no-one is looking.
But the internet means someone can spout some bile and instead of a few mates in the pub hearing it, it can "go viral", as the kids are saying, and actually impact people. As I said to NQ in another context, it's why Flat Earth has become a thing. Loonies on street corners can now reach millions of people. Add a distrust of the mainstream and authority and...voila!

I don't think the law has really caught up with this, which is why some of this clumsy stuff happens. I'm not sure this bloke really belongs in jail, as you say he was more likely letting of steam. But when people shout stuff like that across the internet then it can have consequences so I think the law needs to reflect that somehow.

[HCZ_Reborn]

See I think this is largely a post hoc fallacy

There’s actually very little to prove that online behaviour influences real life behaviour anymore than anything else. Organised riots and public disorder happened long before the advent of the internet

It’s the same with this panicking about the spread of conspiracy theories. Basically if you are influenced by online conspiracy theories you are most likely to be the kind of person to seek them out. And if not online, in some other format…it feeds an existing demand.

The problem is unless you can prove tangible consequences which in this guys case they absolutely could not, then essentially he’s being sent to prison for saying something unpleasant. And I don’t think the law should get involved when it comes to saying unpleasant things

[Letters]

There’s actually very little to prove that online behaviour influences real life behaviour anymore than anything else.
Why are influencers a thing then?


Organised riots and public disorder happened long before the advent of the internet. It’s the same with this panicking about the spread of conspiracy theories. Basically if you are influenced by online conspiracy theories you are most likely to be the kind of person to seek them out. And if not online, in some other format…it feeds an existing demand.
All true, but what else can you attribute the proliferation of conspiracy theories too other than misinformation spread online?
It's a numbers game. You shout some conspiracy nonsense on a street corner and maybe a few dozen people hear you. Most laugh, maybe one or two people will be interested.
You post stuff online and end up going viral, suddenly millions of people can see what you wrote. Add a bit of scientific illiteracy and a distrust of the mainstream and voila, we suddenly have flat earth conferences springing up.


The problem is unless you can prove tangible consequences which in this guys case they absolutely could not, then essentially he’s being sent to prison for saying something unpleasant. And I don’t think the law should get involved when it comes to saying unpleasant things

I don't have a big issue with that, and I think he got caught up in the hysteria whipped up around that incident and a desire by the authorities to crack down hard to de-escalate the situation.
I don't know whether you should have to prove tangible consequences though - speeding is illegal whether you happen to run someone over or not, it's illegal because what you're doing increases the risk of there being consequences.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Speeding is an actual action. It’s not an intangible there is a clear direct risk between going over the speed limit and harming someone. If someone is harmed as a result of a message posted on social media, it would be hard to prove a direct correlation or that someone wouldn’t have behaved violently anyhow.

There have been fads and trends far longer than there have been influencers, things spread by word of mouth


You didn’t need the internet for every school kid in the early eighties to do Joey Deacon impressions

[Letters]

You didn’t need the internet for every school kid in the early eighties to do Joey Deacon impressions
:haha:

Hard to argue with that tbf.

[Letters]

Speeding is an actual action. It’s not an intangible there is a clear direct risk between going over the speed limit and harming someone. If someone is harmed as a result of a message posted on social media, it would be hard to prove a direct correlation or that someone wouldn’t have behaved violently anyhow.
This is a pretty reasonable point. But if you spew inciteful bile to enough people then while sure, it can't be proven that it was your bile which caused a result, it can't have helped and if your message goes viral and millions of people see it (I don't know if this bloke's did, although it clearly came to the attention of the police somehow) then, again, it's a numbers game.


There have been fads and trends far longer than there have been influencers, things spread by word of mouth
Well, sure. But Joey Deacon was on Blue Peter, he wasn't just known to a few people and that spread by word of mouth.
Never before have ordinary people been able to so easily shout stuff to millions of people.
There has never been so much misinformation and such efficient ways to spread it before.

Again, I don't think the law has quite caught up with that yet. I'm not convinced that this bloke should be in prison, but I'm not exactly shedding a tear for him either.
People aren't just being rounded up and locked up for expressing legitimate opinions. I don't regard saying people should be smashing up or burning down hotels housing families as legitimate.

[HCZ_Reborn]

It’s not about personal sympathy, it’s about principle for me. As I’ve said I believe in pretty much unencumbered free speech and I believe in personal responsibility. I don’t hold with dual enterprise in cases of murder, like in America where if you drove someone to somewhere to commit a murder you are held just as responsible as the person. Now I think you bear some responsibility but not to the same degree as the person who committed the crime

And the old adage of “if x told you to put your hand in a fire, would you do it?” stands out for me. Now if you explicitly tell someone to go and kill someone and additionally pay them money that’s criminal conspiracy. But if you just generally say “people should do this” it’s a throwaway remark. And I simply do not believe that someone would commit an act of violence based on reading such a comment on social media…and if they do…it’s on them.

If you go back to the Dreyfus affair and in fact a lot of French history, there is a particular phenomenon called the madness of crowds. And for me the problem is often the backdrop of circumstances that are happening when the behaviour occurs rather than some irresponsible or false remark. Happy people don’t riot

[Letters]

John Prescott :rose:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01567/john-prescott-punc_1567937c.jpg

[Letters]

It’s not about personal sympathy, it’s about principle for me. As I’ve said I believe in pretty much unencumbered free speech and I believe in personal responsibility. I don’t hold with dual enterprise in cases of murder, like in America where if you drove someone to somewhere to commit a murder you are held just as responsible as the person. Now I think you bear some responsibility but not to the same degree as the person who committed the crime

And the old adage of “if x told you to put your hand in a fire, would you do it?” stands out for me. Now if you explicitly tell someone to go and kill someone and additionally pay them money that’s criminal conspiracy. But if you just generally say “people should do this” it’s a throwaway remark. And I simply do not believe that someone would commit an act of violence based on reading such a comment on social media…and if they do…it’s on them.

I think this is all a fairly reasonable stance. But if you're going to express the view that people should smash up a hotel which houses asylum seekers and refugees then I think there's a difference between doing that with a group of mates down the pub and shouting it across the internet. In either case if someone acts on your rambling then I do agree that's on them, but if you've shouted it to a million people it's surely more likely that some idiot is going to think "that's a good idea!" and act on it, because numbers. Whether the shouter deserves to be in prison for it, well that's questionable. I think that dude was a bit unlucky that he shouted it at a time when all the rioting was going on which the government wanted to be seen to crack down on.
I'm certainly mindful that things I write online may be seen by people - I'm a bit less careful on here than on FB, this feels a bit more anonymous and let's face it, no-one is looking.
A lady was sacked at work some time back because of views she'd expressed on FB - I think she took them to the cleaners on the basis that it was her personal account :lol:
I do think there's a difference between stuff you say to your mates and things you post online, I'm less certain how the law should reflect that difference.

[Mac76]

John Prescott :rose:

RIP

I met him once and had a brief conversation, I thought he was ok although fairly non-committal, but someone who knew him told me afterwards he'd actually been relatively friendly, apparently he could be quite shy :lol:

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7nwnw1e32o

Dubai :lol:

Awlful place.

[HCZ_Reborn]

What an utter bitch the mother is.

Why would you report that to the Dubai Police?

[The Wengerbabies]

"Briton"

[Letters]

What an utter bitch the mother is.

Why would you report that to the Dubai Police?

Agreed. A horrible, spiteful thing to do.

[IBK]

What an utter bitch the mother is.

Why would you report that to the Dubai Police?

100% agreed. Unbelievaby vindictive.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://i.ibb.co/pP9PHvM/Screenshot-from-2024-11-26-15-37-44.png

:lol:

Self-ID :bow:

[Letters]

That's like you claiming you're not a troll ;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://x.com/tahiralimp/status/1861765654178640014?s=46&t=n1tnxEg6k_DvSqUkaQFrjw

When people advocate for blasphemy laws, they always couch this in the progressive language of tolerance and inclusivity

I have no idea how much of a Quran thumper Tahir Ali is. I suspect (cynical as it is) though that seeing a neighbouring constituency in Birmingham go from Labour to an Islamist candidate, and seeing a massive swing against him in his own seat (by Islamist candidates who actually might have won if only one of them had run and not split the vote) that he is trying to curry favour with his sectarian constituents.

[Letters]

curry favour.
Racist :sulk:

I don't think desecration should be illegal. What kind of nonsense is that?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Racist :sulk:

I don't think desecration should be illegal. What kind of nonsense is that?

:lol: That did cross my mind as soon as I wrote it.

I guess it depends what you’re desecrating. Spray painting graffiti on a statue of Churchill…yeah that should be illegal. And if you go into a mosque and wipe your bum on their Quran that’s pretty bad as well.
But of course these are covered by vandalism/criminal damage laws
But your own copy of it??, I’m not big on defacing books…but if it’s your own property do what you like

[The Wengerbabies]

https://x.com/tahiralimp/status/1861765654178640014?s=46&t=n1tnxEg6k_DvSqUkaQFrjw

When people advocate for blasphemy laws, they always couch this in the progressive language of tolerance and inclusivity

I have no idea how much of a Quran thumper Tahir Ali is. I suspect (cynical as it is) though that seeing a neighbouring constituency in Birmingham go from Labour to an Islamist candidate, and seeing a massive swing against him in his own seat (by Islamist candidates who actually might have won if only one of them had run and not split the vote) that he is trying to curry favour with his sectarian constituents.

​The direction of travel in this country is only one way, with this being the state of "British" schools today, just imagine how the country will look in 20-30 years

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdF09skXMAE_gjR?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdGjAf2WIAEobEo?format=jpg&name=medium

[HCZ_Reborn]

​The direction of travel in this country is only one way, with this being the state of "British" schools today, just imagine how the country will look in 20-30 years

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdF09skXMAE_gjR?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdGjAf2WIAEobEo?format=jpg&name=medium

You know who the guy in the middle in the lower picture is? Roger Scruton. Quite a well known conservative thinker

I dont particularly care what someone’s skin colour is, what I do care about is dickheads on Twitter posting that picture of school kids and targeting them that way…to tout a great replacement theory

[The Wengerbabies]

You know who the guy in the middle in the lower picture is? Roger Scruton. Quite a well known conservative thinker

I assumed he was the teacher.

But sure...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdGi9gkWwAAQl6z?format=jpg&name=small

...just a conspiracy

[HCZ_Reborn]

Yes just a conspiracy theory.

Whether one is pro or anti immigration. The idea that it’s some clandestine plot to replace white people is the kind of belief that only appeals to morons and insecure racists

The fact is it’s been the case for 50 or more years that there are certain inner city areas of the country where the majority ethnicity is black-Afro Caribbean or Asian. Not especially coincidentally people originating from areas of the world once controlled by the British Empire. I am sympathetic to concerns over mass migration because of issues with assimilation.
This is a different claim entirely, and more so you ignore the fact that in the background there’s a Union Jack, not a crescent moon and stars, not the Arabic text “Allah is the one true God and Muhammad is his prophet”
So if black and brown children are going to school in this country and learning British values, explain to me rationally why I should give a fuck that there’s more of them than a kid with white skin…as if somehow skin colour is any more relevant than eye or hair colour.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes just a conspiracy theory.

Whether one is pro or anti immigration. The idea that it’s some clandestine plot to replace white people is the kind of belief that only appeals to morons and insecure racists

The fact is it’s been the case for 50 or more years that there are certain inner city areas of the country where the majority ethnicity is black-Afro Caribbean or Asian. Not especially coincidentally people originating from areas of the world once controlled by the British Empire. I am sympathetic to concerns over mass migration because of issues with assimilation.
This is a different claim entirely, and more so you ignore the fact that in the background there’s a Union Jack, not a crescent moon and stars, not the Arabic text “Allah is the one true God and Muhammad is his prophet”
So if black and brown children are going to school in this country and learning British values, explain to me rationally why I should give a fuck that there’s more of them than a kid with white skin…as if somehow skin colour is any more relevant than eye or hair colour.

It's not a conspiracy theory at all, it's just labelled that. WEF policy is fairly easy to follow, they publish it and boast about it. To believe there's not some concerted effort to homogenise the population of the west is to deny the synchronicity of the policies implemented by western governments, most of which consist of vessels honed by the WEF or the UN or similar marxist movements. To deny the centralised control you have to replace it with coincidence or sheep mentality. Not saying that's what you have done, but I'd be interested to know why you believe, or how you can possibly believe, all western governments landed on the same policies at the same time. Is that what used to happen in balkanised eras before monstrosities such as the EU came along? There is an analogy, albeit on a limited scale. The Vatican used to have the power to direct national policy, to a degree. And they also fucked over the people in favour of enriching the elites. The they lost their power to the "jews" (code for the banks). You now have the option of being anti-God, anti-semitic or a conspiracy theorist but you never have the legitimate option of being a common sense observer. I suppose you should stop doing unpaid work for the haters, but you will only do that in your own time as your realisation develops, if it develops. You might not want it to. Many don't, they are comfortable in their ignorance. It makes life easier.

[Niall_Quinn]

​The direction of travel in this country is only one way, with this being the state of "British" schools today, just imagine how the country will look in 20-30 years

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdF09skXMAE_gjR?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdGjAf2WIAEobEo?format=jpg&name=medium

I have nothing against those children, having children of my own and knowing how precious they are to their respective parents (at least I hope so). We should never bring kids into the argument. It's not the fault of the kids the adults fucked up the world they live in. All we can hope is the same fuck-ups don't go on to influence those kids, which is sadly hardly ever the case. Some of these kids will grow up to be hateful individuals who steep themselves in the basest forms of human interaction. Again, this is what they will be trained to do, it's not what they would do left to their own devices. We should focus on the hate filled monsters who abuse kids, not just physically (and there and MILLIONS of them and this will become apparent very soon) but also mentally. If I could get a job torturing child abusers to death I'd do it for free. Wouldn't be good at it though, because none of them would ever die.

regarding the fuck-ups of hateful adults who want to destroy instead of build, yes, for sure they have fucked up every society they ever touched. That's what they do. Victor Hansen Davis dropped a term recently that finally works well to label these hateful cunts who assume the cloak of the left, or progressives, or liberals - the marxist binary, and that's what we are up against. Demonic (in the biblical sense) haters and abusers of the human species who accept the souls of the fearful and do everything in their long consolidated power to consume, degrade, destroy abd debase the souls of regular human beings who could never accept their fantastical agenda. Literally these demons tell you, kill as many babies as you can, abuse children, mulilate them, destroy families, disintegrate the glue of society, defund the police, sow racism where there was none, turn women against men.

Let's not equate the children of the world made by demons with the demons themselves. The kids are the actual victims, or the potential victims for sure. They are the ones who will grow up in a world where their families have been destroyed, their cultures have been wiped out, and creeping homosexuals and other deviants will wander among them and tell them touching is normal and swollen, bleeding anuses is their liberation.

Fight the demon, not the victims.

[Niall_Quinn]

RIP

I met him once and had a brief conversation, I thought he was ok although fairly non-committal, but someone who knew him told me afterwards he'd actually been relatively friendly, apparently he could be quite shy :lol:

I met him too, many times, he's dead now so I won't say more other than a hint that prayers are probably misplaced.

[Letters]

To believe there's not some concerted effort to homogenise the population of the west.
A concerted effort by who and for what purpose? What's the end goal? What are they trying to achieve and why?
Many governments are making policies which restrict immigration right now.

[Niall_Quinn]

A concerted effort by who and for what purpose? What's the end goal? What are they trying to achieve and why?
Many governments are making policies which restrict immigration right now.

This is what you do. I say something, you pretend I didn't say it and then you ask me about it. Always ONE thing though, so it can be fixated on and the rest of it, along with the context, can be tossed.

[Letters]

This is what you do. I say something, you pretend I didn't say it and then you ask me about it. Always ONE thing though, so it can be fixated on and the rest of it, along with the context, can be tossed.
Yes, I didn’t think you’d be able to answer that.
And that’s always the problem with these wild conspiracy theories, isn’t it?
“They” are always trying to do some nefarious thing, but that thing never really makes any sense or serves any purpose. So when someone asks you who exactly who is doing it and why you can’t answer. All you need to do now is stop and consider that if you can’t think of any rational reason why “they” are trying to do this then it’s probably because “they” aren’t.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, I didn’t think you’d be able to answer that.
And that’s always the problem with these wild conspiracy theories, isn’t it?
“They” are always trying to do some nefarious thing, but that thing never really makes any sense or serves any purpose. So when someone asks you who exactly who is doing it and why you can’t answer. All you need to do now is stop and consider that if you can’t think of any rational reason why “they” are trying to do this then it’s probably because “they” aren’t.

The lavish pride you have in your own ignorance is breathtaking. And your dishonesty is so naked and so flaunted. And here we are again with all the context lost and the main points submerged in your latest dump.

Here's the one snippet you extracted from just one of my posts so you could fixate and then distract and submerge.

"To believe there's not some concerted effort to homogenise the population of the west."

Now I know exactly what you are going to do next, you're going to claim you didn't read the post that blows away your painful dishonesty, because it wasn't addressed to you.

Problem is, the quote you chose to cherry pick was from the post that gave the answers to the very question you ridiculously claim has not been answered. It's really quite pathetic. All it takes to be immune to your BS is to be able to read.

[Niall_Quinn]

Poor Syrian people in the shitter again. The smelly hajis have swarmed from their nests and stand poised to replace one dictatorship with an even more brutal dictatorship. Don't even think the boy touchers in Whitehall have anything to do with it it this time, but who knows for sure? I think Washington has lost track of who they are funding, the sides have switched so many time. And Putin is too busy elsewhere to fumigate the place again. What a shitshow. Isn't it about time the world collaborated in something useful like getting rid of these fucking Islamists?

[Niall_Quinn]

Meanwhile the home-spun nutters are out waving their Palestine (Hamas terror) flags. And the coppers donned their riot gear, banged them all in a van and there will be quick trials and lengthy jail sentences.

Obviously that was a joke, like the two tier justice system in this country.

[Letters]

The lavish pride you have in your own ignorance is breathtaking. And your dishonesty is so naked and so flaunted. And here we are again with all the context lost and the main points submerged in your latest dump.

Here's the one snippet you extracted from just one of my posts so you could fixate and then distract and submerge.

"To believe there's not some concerted effort to homogenise the population of the west."

Now I know exactly what you are going to do next, you're going to claim you didn't read the post that blows away your painful dishonesty, because it wasn't addressed to you.
Why are you so cross with me that you can't answer a straight question? :lol:


Problem is, the quote you chose to cherry pick was from the post that gave the answers to the very question you ridiculously claim has not been answered. It's really quite pathetic. All it takes to be immune to your BS is to be able to read.
OK, I had another look at your post. You said something about WEF policy. So it's the WEF who are making a "concerted effort" to do this, is it?
Can you point me to the specific policy (obviously you can't).
And I didn't see you give a reason. So what's that? Why are "they" trying to do this? What's the end goal? What are they trying to achieve?

[Niall_Quinn]

Why are you so cross with me that you can't answer a straight question? :lol:


OK, I had another look at your post. You said something about WEF policy. So it's the WEF who are making a "concerted effort" to do this, is it?
Can you point me to the specific policy (obviously you can't).
And I didn't see you give a reason. So what's that? Why are "they" trying to do this? What's the end goal? What are they trying to achieve?

Trebles down. Now the issue is not the confident claim I didn't answer a question, now we have the smooth gear change into the "specifics" of the question I "didn't answer".

[Letters]

Thought so :)

[The Wengerbabies]

Attempted coup happening in South Korea?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Attempted coup happening in South Korea?

You mean the Korean parliament blocking the President using martial law to distract from policy failures and investigations into corruption and impropriety being committed by members of his own family

Suddenly there are DPRK infiltrators at work.

[The Wengerbabies]

You mean the Korean parliament blocking the President using martial law to distract from policy failures and investigations into corruption and impropriety being committed by members of his own family

Suddenly there are DPRK infiltrators at work.

I have no idea. My knowledge of South Korean politics is non-existent.

[Letters]

I have no idea. My knowledge of South Korean politics is non-existent.

And usually you are so well informed on topics you pontificate on ;)

[The Wengerbabies]

And usually you are so well informed on topics you pontificate on ;)

Really?

It may appear that way to you as you are so misinformed but I'm no expert just an open minded individual keen to expand my knowledge and perspective on a range of different topics.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I have no idea. My knowledge of South Korean politics is non-existent.

The same as your knowledge on most other matters then

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cpqdgx2n580o

Diversity :bow:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cpqdgx2n580o

Diversity :bow:

Remarkable what you can do with a tin of Dulux

[Mac76]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cpqdgx2n580o

Diversity :bow:

I see you've been watching Newsround again :lol:

[Letters]

:lol:

John Craven :bow:

[Letters]

The French government has collapsed :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

You can’t really have a parliament made up of far left, and the far right and then appoint a milquetoast centre right figure like Barnier and expect anything good to come of it. Just as it was probably not a good call for Macron to call snap elections in the first place.

But even with the pantomime shit show that’s been British politics for the last ten years, we’ve never come close to the has to be seen to be believed stuff that goes on in France

[The Wengerbabies]

Milk is the latest victim of net zero madness!

[Niall_Quinn]

Thought so :)

You are pleased with yourself, but it doesn't please me to see things like this. If you were mature and reasonable you'd try to avoid behaving in this way. But, such that you are, it is your only option I suppose. Even so, a man bereft of thought can still value dignity.

[The Wengerbabies]

Now that Syria has been liberated will all those "refugees" be heading back?

[Niall_Quinn]

Now that Syria has been liberated will all those "refugees" be heading back?

We need to start building more hotels. No fucking around, get started tomorrow. If we are ever going to solve the problem of our intelligence services fucking up the lives of human beings, we need more hotels to house the victims. There's no other possible solution.

[Niall_Quinn]

I have no idea. My knowledge of South Korean politics is non-existent.

South Korea is an extension state of the US, occupied (literally and then politically) since the US illegal war on behalf of the corporations in that region. Washington and their bosses in Wall Street uses it for cheap(ish) labour and high tech goods. Same as Taiwan, except South Korea (unlike the latter) has taken steps in recent decades to build a genuine nation that might one day stand on its own two feet. Suspect the recent troubles were down to Russia, not the US. Probably blowback for the bullshit in Syria.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7avcFaC_A

So I think we can put that "conspiracy theory" to bed. Although the queer bloke who is pretending to be married is using this as a prelude to another great deception that he'll actually do something about the scum flooding our beautiful, civilised land. He won't. What he will actually do is exactly what Letters claims is not happening, even though his wishlist boyfriend says otherwise, albeit for political reasons. He'll import more scum while claiming all the time he's cracking down. And the voter types will go, yeah, that's fixed then. And they'll order the next version of the iPhone for £2K, and then claim housing benefit. It's such a joy to be among these bastions of humanity.

So Letters, you didn't want to accept my answer (or even acknowledge it) - so maybe you'll listen to your boyfriend?

[The Wengerbabies]

We need to start building more hotels. No fucking around, get started tomorrow. If we are ever going to solve the problem of our intelligence services fucking up the lives of human beings, we need more hotels to house the victims. There's no other possible solution.

Well yes, I'm sure no one is going home and as a bonus we'll now have to accept "refugees" from the other side of the conflict, all military aged males naturally, and they'll bring their conflict here further descending us down the path to 3rd world status.

Import the third world, become the third world.

[Niall_Quinn]

They hajis are all celebrating the overthrow of Assad, so they can all fuck off there then, can't they? Ideal. No need to carry on trying to turn England into a shithole when they'll soon have a ready made option. Let's book their flights and get the fuckers out.

[Letters]

Ah yes, in more important news - I should have a look at putting up the Christmas smileys.

[Letters]

https://www.cambrian-news.co.uk/news/supermarket-working-to-fix-morons-sign-asap-746982

:d

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwypg29358jo

This kept me occupied for some time today :d
I got them all after a battle with a couple of them.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/what-parent-subjects-anothers-child-34296928

It seemed to me that the media had ignored this angle

But as much as I hold the Mirror in disdain, I can’t find fault with anything Darren Lewis says.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwypg29358jo

This kept me occupied for some time today :d
I got them all after a battle with a couple of them.

Please, I surrender.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/what-parent-subjects-anothers-child-34296928

It seemed to me that the media had ignored this angle

But as much as I hold the Mirror in disdain, I can’t find fault with anything Darren Lewis says.

Black privilege is being able to commit crimes yet still being the victim.

[Letters]

Again, if you're going to troll then the secret is to not make it too obvious. Come on, lad.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Black privilege is being able to commit crimes yet still being the victim.

As if by Magic the boy is now white. Do you still think he deserves this treatment?

[Letters]

As if by Magic the boy is now white. Do you still think he deserves this treatment?

I am as baffled by your engagement with him as you are about mine with NQ. :lol:
(I do engage with WB too of course, but not with blatant troll stuff like this).

[HCZ_Reborn]

I am as baffled by your engagement with him as you are about mine with NQ. :lol:
(I do engage with WB too of course, but not with blatant troll stuff like this).

That’s hardly comparable. Multi paragraphs versus proverbially leaving a bit of Red Leicester in a trap :lol:

[The Wengerbabies]

As if by Magic the boy is now white. Do you still think he deserves this treatment?

I know the liberal elite doesn't think foreigners should have to obey the law in this country but some countries do take law breaking by foreigners seriously.

If he was white he'd be chastised for not obeying the law. Just another Brit abroad misbehaving, possible accusations of having a colonial mindset.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I know the liberal elite doesn't think foreigners should have to obey the law in this country but some countries do take law breaking by foreigners seriously.

If he was white he'd be chastised for not obeying the law. Just another Brit abroad misbehaving, possible accusations of having a colonial mindset.


Oh do fuck off :lol:

The point is that the authorities only knew about it because the Mother reported the boy (the daughter was back home by this time, and the mother had seen Facebook photos and from the uk phoned the authorities in Dubai). The fact that you think that the media would be less sympathetic if he wasn’t black shows how utterly ridiculous an individual you are. The colour of his skin mattered only to one person the spiteful bitch of a Mother.


As I say it probably wasn’t the brightest thing to do given it was Dubai not Marbella, but this isn’t a situation like China, Thailand or Indonesia where things we consider crimes are given much harsher punishment (death penalty for drug smuggling etc). This was two consenting adults having a bit of fun. And yes I’ve heard of two white unmarried couples being punished by the same kind of laws…just for kissing in public.

But as I’m at pains to point out, the authorities were either not paying close attention or they were discreet because if not for the Mother this lad would be home now.

[HCZ_Reborn]

But in the interest of avoiding legitimate accusations of hypocrisy, I’ll leave things there. Because it is likely you’re just trolling again

[The Wengerbabies]

As I say it probably wasn’t the brightest thing to do given it was Dubai not Marbella, but this isn’t a situation like China, Thailand or Indonesia where things we consider crimes are given much harsher punishment (death penalty for drug smuggling etc). This was two consenting adults having a bit of fun. And yes I’ve heard of two white unmarried couples being punished by the same kind of laws…just for kissing in public.


When you are a guest, respect the law of the land you are in. Simple.

[Letters]

The colour of his skin mattered only to one person the spiteful bitch of a Mother.
You think? You think the fact that the kid her daughter hooked up with was black was what caused her to report it?
It's possible, but I've not heard that claimed. It's more likely that she considered her daughter to be young, innocent and virginal and assumed the boy had taken advantage of her. Obvious bollocks given we're talking about a 17 year old girl.


This was two consenting adults having a bit of fun.

Well...she's not an adult. But she is over the age of consent in the UK at least. But...they weren't in the UK and you do have to abide by the law of the land you're in.
But it's an obviously bullshit law, kids are famously stupid and the consequence is, to the western eye, massively out of proportion to the "crime".

And clearly the narrative that if this was a white person the coverage would be markedly different in terms of the level of sympathy is such obvious trolling it isn't worth engaging with. Many believe that were Madaline McCann not white with middle class parents that wouldn't have been in the press for anywhere near as long.

[HCZ_Reborn]

When you are a guest, respect the law of the land you are in. Simple.

Kids can do stupid things. I wouldn’t set foot in a backward hellhole like that to begin with. But given your firm stance, you would support the girl being extradited back there to face her punishment as well I take it?

[The Wengerbabies]

Kids can do stupid things. I wouldn’t set foot in a backward hellhole like that to begin with. But given your firm stance, you would support the girl being extradited back there to face her punishment as well I take it?

Obviously the mum is a bitch but you fuck around (literally) and find out.

[Letters]

Obviously the mum is a bitch but you fuck around (literally) and find out.

Fucking around is pretty much all teenagers do. You clearly don't believe this kid belongs in prison, you're either a racist or trolling by pretending to be one by feigning a lack of sympathy for his plight because of his skin colour. Do stop being a dick, there's a good chap :tiphat:

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://youtu.be/mFySAh0g-MI?si=1EeM9RbJ3AtSlO-d

This informs the ongoing debate of whether permissiveness goes too far. There is always a bit of difference with these things between when we are talking about male behaviour or female behaviour. I think in regards to a bloke, this is more likely to be something they’ve erroneously claimed to have done. First off because it’s always going to be easier for a woman to find men willing to sleep with her, than it is for a man to find women willing to sleep with him.
Then there’s the biological considerations….which I don’t think I need to get into
But from my point of view, too often people can’t separate between disapproving of behaviour and believing people should be free to pursue such behaviour, although there’s possibly a debate to be had about how much we as a society should facilitate it through online mediums such as only fans….where the financial incentives are there to behave in the most reckless way possible, and if you don’t….someone else will.
All pretty lurid and sad to be honest

[Letters]

I bet that made her day.
Day? It made her hole weak!

:rimshot:


All pretty lurid and sad to be honest

Pretty much. I think just generally the sexualisation of society isn't healthy and it's constantly pumped at young people.
In my day the best you could hope for was a discarded copy of Razzle in a bush, now you can find literally anything instantly.

[The Wengerbabies]

Perhaps Islam was right about women?...

If you want to talk about gender pay gap I wonder how much I would make doing only fans and running through 100 girls in a day?

[HCZ_Reborn]

I bet that made her day.
Day? It made her hole weak!

:rimshot:



Pretty much. I think just generally the sexualisation of society isn't healthy and it's constantly pumped at young people.
In my day the best you could hope for was a discarded copy of Razzle in a bush, now you can find literally anything instantly.

That or the Sport, there were woods near my school and there were constantly discarded copies of the Sport lying there

I thought that this was peculiar to my school but pretty much everyone of 40-50 had a fairy porn mother leaving smut mags around in the undergrowth.

However whilst I don’t disagree with you at all about the commodification of sex, I’m just not entirely sure what we do about it.

Stuff like online porn and only fans is a Pandora’s box…how to close it once it’s been opened

[HCZ_Reborn]

Perhaps Islam was right about women?...

If you want to talk about gender pay gap I wonder how much I would make doing only fans and running through 100 girls in a day?



I do find it funny how there is this superficial revival of a nouveau Trad Christianity for dude bruhs

They despise Islam as much as I do, yet ironically regard women as much as the circumcised virgins who end up being married off to their cousins

[Letters]

If you want to talk about gender pay gap I wonder how much I would make doing only fans and running through 100 girls in a day?
Given none would volunteer, £0.

[Letters]

Stuff like online porn and only fans is a Pandora’s box…how to close it once it’s been opened
I agree it's a pretty much unsolvable problem. But one thing they could do is tighten up the age controls on certain sites.
I was at a conference about Digital Identity and some woman was giving a talk about this sort of thing - not specifically adult sites, other things which require age controls. She said something about how regulations are being proposed to enforce better controls, she didn't say how that would work in practice. There's no perfect solution, but they should be doing more to stop kids accessing this sort of stuff. It can't be a healthy way to learn about this sort of thing, and they're learning about a version of it which doesn't exist in real life.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I agree it's a pretty much unsolvable problem. But one thing they could do is tighten up the age controls on certain sites.
I was at a conference about Digital Identity and some woman was giving a talk about this sort of thing - not specifically adult sites, other things which require age controls. She said something about how regulations are being proposed to enforce better controls, she didn't say how that would work in practice. There's no perfect solution, but they should be doing more to stop kids accessing this sort of stuff. It can't be a healthy way to learn about this sort of thing, and they're learning about a version of it which doesn't exist in real life.

I’m honestly open to banning smart devices to anyone under the age of 16. Why there isn’t a blanket ban on them in schools already I don’t know. If you need to phone mum and dad in an emergency, just have one of those cheap pay as you go models that doesn’t play or record videos for tik tok.

But adults are equally just as susceptible to the instant gratification aspects of sex. I don’t think putting it all beyond a paywall helps either, watching that documentary some of these guys are paying £500 a pop for five minutes on a live feed with her….basically she didn’t want to announce her monthly average income from this work but I got the impression it was an eye watering amount.

[Letters]

I’m honestly open to banning smart devices to anyone under the age of 16.
That's not a bad idea, you know. But that's another box which has been opened and is hard to shut.


But adults are equally just as susceptible to the instant gratification aspects of sex.
Well, sure. But they are at least adults who are (in theory) capable of making that choice. I bet most of the young men who subscribe to her got into that sort of thing when they were kids.

It doesn't help that standards generally have dropped. You see stuff on billboards and in music videos which would have been post-watershed stuff when I was young. I was telling one of our gap year students how when I was a kid if someone said "fuck" on TV then it made the news. Now it's very liberally sprinkled through a lot of TV dialogue. I'm not saying a buttoned up Victorian prudishness is any better but there's surely a middle ground.

[HCZ_Reborn]

That's not a bad idea, you know. But that's another box which has been opened and is hard to shut.


Well, sure. But they are at least adults who are (in theory) capable of making that choice. I bet most of the young men who subscribe to her got into that sort of thing when they were kids.

It doesn't help that standards generally have dropped. You see stuff on billboards and in music videos which would have been post-watershed stuff when I was young. I was telling one of our gap year students how when I was a kid if someone said "fuck" on TV then it made the news. Now it's very liberally sprinkled through a lot of TV dialogue. I'm not saying a buttoned up Victorian prudishness is any better but there's surely a middle ground.

Granted I don’t watch much tv these days but I thought the watershed was still in effect, you can’t say fuck before 9pm etc

I don’t know if it’s so much standards slipping, I’m sure it’s contributory in some senses…even post corporal punishment kids wouldn’t dare say to teachers what some of them seem to get away with now.

But I think it’s more the instant gratification society we have, instant music, tv and film streaming….instant takeaways at the touch of a button. And it’s easier to pay money to watch some stranger see how she can make an empty coke bottle magically disappear then it is to smarten your appearance, get the courage to ask a girl out for a drink rather than hide behind a computer screen or a smart phone on some dating site where you end up finding out what her favourite sex position is before you’ve ever even met.
A lot of women who use dating sites tell me how they get unsolicited dick pics, the feminists argued that it was a way of humiliating women. I don’t think it’s that at all, it’s a generation of guys who barely know how to talk to each other let alone the opposite sex because everything they do has been made easier for them with technology.


That’s my theory anyway

[HCZ_Reborn]

That wasn’t a dig at you meeting Mrs L on a chat site by the way, If I understand correctly it was a Christian chat site so very different vibes altogether I imagine (plus I’ve dated a fair few women I’ve met online). I think the general point is whilst technology is good for convenience, sometimes things being too convenient makes us lose those vital life skills. It’s not a new phenomena, I imagine most men under 45 would never have plucked up the courage to start talking to a girl in a bar or some other setting.

[Letters]

That wasn’t a dig at you meeting Mrs L on a chat site by the way, If I understand correctly it was a Christian chat site so very different vibes altogether I imagine
:lol: I never thought it was a dig. Meeting online has become more socially acceptable, it's a symptom of a more online world generally. I know several married couples who met on the same site we did. And yes, being a Christian site it's less of a meat market than I imagine some of the more mainstream ones are. I don't think it matters how you meet, but you do need social skills once you meet in person and kids who spend every evening indoors online may struggle with that. Luckily our generation didn't grow up in that world, I'm not sure how it affects generations who do.

I agree about instant gratification, I get frustrated and impatient now if I can't find things online immediately. I find myself playing games on my phone while watching TV. Attention spans have definitely got shorter.

[Letters]

In other news.

EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS WOKE!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14189227/Tonys-Chocolonely-slammed-leaving-day-blank-chocolate-woke.html

:lol:

[dazthegooner]

This quote. Not much to find in there, huh? Bummer!' is that a dig at the gays? ;)

[HCZ_Reborn]

In other news.

EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS WOKE!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-14189227/Tonys-Chocolonely-slammed-leaving-day-blank-chocolate-woke.html

:lol:

I hate the word Woke, I think it’s often misattributed to anything that’s remotely charitable. However it does kind of apply in this instance in the sense that you are trying to make people aware of some “injustice”. Feels to me a tad hypocritical as well because if cocoa farmers are victims of economic inequality, the people who are selling this advent calendar for all the agonising and handwringing are still benefiting from that inequality.

I can’t stand being morally lectured to, and I’m not alone in this. I feel generally people do have a sense of fair play but I think they resent being made to feel guilty by “dogooders”. And ultimately I can say, yeah it’s bad the cocoa farmers are getting rinsed….but what do you want me to do about it?. I don’t even fucking eat chocolate :lol:.

[HCZ_Reborn]

This quote. Not much to find in there, huh? Bummer!' is that a dig at the gays? ;)

bummers are blind

[Letters]

https://metro.co.uk/2024/12/19/paul-mccartneys-o2-arena-gig-best-life-unbelievable-82-22216871/

Macca :bow:

[Letters]

https://news.sky.com/story/virginia-man-dies-after-bear-shot-by-fellow-hunter-falls-on-top-of-him-from-tree-13276120

:lol:

[The Wengerbabies]

German Christmas market has been culturally enriched this evening.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1870189548547821933

Awful.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GfQH79SW0AEt_3B?format=jpg&name=medium

Timely tweet from Elon yesterday?

Question is why does Germany (and Europe) need saving? We mustn't discuss. Diversity is our strength.

[Niall_Quinn]

German Christmas market has been culturally enriched this evening.

We're going to need to dispense with the self imposed language. Get the Muslims out now, by whatever means. Not only are they incompatible with our culture, they aren't cultural at all, they are cultist. Now, of course, there are decent people who technically are Muslims because they were born that way, into a family that did not allow any other outcome. I'm talking about the weirdos who actually believe what Islam teaches. If that's what they believe, I don't wish them ill, but they can't remain here because their very presence is detrimental to the culture and ideology common in the European nations. We fought bloody wars to preserve that culture and ideology and we can't be allowing a silent invasion just because bullets aren't being fired. Nazis goose-stepping their way through Europe is no different to Islamists outbreeding our populations. The threat is just as real and every bit as pernicious. Somebody somewhere must have the guts to actually stand to this enemy. Once again, I am not saying anything bad should be done to these people. But, given their beliefs and the incompatibility of those beliefs, we should provide them the benefit of marching them to the nearest airport and putting them on planes to nations like Pakistan where their beliefs are already primary. Those beliefs must not be allowed to become paramount in civilised parts of the world. Who has the guts to admit the obvious? Anyone? Let them live how they wish, and let us live how we wish. And, by the way, the other side of that deal means our shitty governments should refrain from interfering in their national affairs, that should go without saying but try convincing any of the cunts we keep voting into power. By "we" I mean "you".

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9q7lnyw25wo

Why didn’t they go at night? :unsure:

:rimshot:

[Mac76]

In lieu of tomorrow, merry Chrismas everyone :yippee:

(Couldn't find a santa emoji)

[HCZ_Reborn]

Crowd strike have managed it again

[Letters]

In lieu of tomorrow, merry Chrismas everyone :yippee:

(Couldn't find a santa emoji)

Aye, sorry. I didn’t get around to doing the Christmas emojis and the moment has somewhat gone now.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

[Letters]

Crowd strike have managed it again

Is that what’s causing the IT issues? I’ve seen some stories but not looked in to the details

[HCZ_Reborn]

Merry Christmas you filthy animals

Try to avoid smooching with Snuffy or Little Mo with the gimpy leg

[HCZ_Reborn]

Is that what’s causing the IT issues? I’ve seen some stories but not looked in to the details

Yep basically another software update that crashed like back in July

[Letters]

Yep basically another software update that crashed like back in July

Literally no idea why you’d do an update that near Christmas :doh:
Most places have code and change freezes around this time of year.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

I must have been aware at some point today.

But I've just realised it's Sunday.

Is this what it's like to be retired?

[Letters]

You missed church? :o

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

Sorry, Letters. I did.

I have been once. About 25 years ago :unsure:

[Letters]

I got Wordle in 1 today!

That’s going on the CV :partytime: :trophy: :patrice:

:cool:

[The Wengerbabies]

HNY

[Letters]

2025 :bow:

I'm sure you're as excited as I am to be living in a year which is a square number.

45 x 45 = 2025

The last time that happened was 1936 and the next time won't be till 2116. So it's the only time in our lives we'll be living in a year which is a square number.
What a time to be alive :cool:

[WMUG]

It truly is your year.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The King of Beta Males Justin Trudeau is about to step down as Liberal party leader and once his successor is elected, as Canadian prime minister.

I doubt will make much difference. The Conservatives will likely win the next election in Canada. Although I certainly don’t share his economic views , I quite like Pierre Poilievre the leader of the Conservatives.

[Letters]

The King of Beta Males.
I never quite understand why this is a pejorative. Alpha Males are often boarish idiots.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I never quite understand why this is a pejorative. Alpha Males are often boarish idiots.

Most people who refer to themselves as Alpha Males are nothing of the sort, insecure misogynists

But Beta Males are grotesque “pick me” types who evangelise about their progressive values and are often hiding pretty dodgy behaviour.

[The Wengerbabies]

I never quite understand why this is a pejorative. Alpha Males are often boarish idiots.

Spoken like a true beta cuck.

Trudeau is a faggot and that is a fact.

[Letters]

Spoken like a true beta cuck.

Trudeau is a faggot and that is a fact.
Aww. Look at you using words you don’t understand :console:

[Letters]

Prolly would tbf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy849w4ygwo

[Letters]

People seem to be rage-quitting FB in response to this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwlwlqpwx7o

[The Wengerbabies]

People seem to be rage-quitting FB in response to this story

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjwlwlqpwx7o

The only people against a community notes system are those that wish to spread misinformation.

Community notes are the gold standard fact checkers.

[Letters]

The only people against a community notes system are those that wish to spread misinformation.

Community notes are the gold standard fact checkers.

That's bullshit though, isn't it?

[The Wengerbabies]

That's bullshit though, isn't it?

No.

[Letters]

The issue with all of this is how do you know what's true?
There is a problem with having fact checkers, or potential problem, in that who checks the checkers?
But Community Notes, that's just the wild west isn't it? Who is the arbiter of truth? Is it just the most people who think a thing?
That has been shown to be a pretty poor way of arriving at truth.

[The Wengerbabies]

The issue with all of this is how do you know what's true?
There is a problem with having fact checkers, or potential problem, in that who checks the checkers?
But Community Notes, that's just the wild west isn't it? Who is the arbiter of truth? Is it just the most people who think a thing?
That has been shown to be a pretty poor way of arriving at truth.


No.

Community notes are community generated, its impossible to use them to spread misinformation.

[Letters]

No.

Community notes are community generated, its impossible to use them to spread misinformation.
How is it impossible? :lol:

[HCZ_Reborn]

Community Notes is the Wikipedia of Fact checking. Whilst there is curation, you still ultimately have to put faith in the fact that someone isn’t going to be a dick head

[Letters]

Community Notes is the Wikipedia of Fact checking. Whilst there is curation, you still ultimately have to put faith in the fact that someone isn’t going to be a dick head
Which as this place (and every other corner of the internet) shows…

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2g7qgl1eo

Community Notes :bow:

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93lqxgznnwo

Tony Slattery :rose:

That's a bit sad. He was only 65 and after a burst of fame in the 90s he battled demons for a long time and fell out of the limelight.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/18/digital-driving-licences-to-be-put-on-phones-this-year/

FUCK OFF!!!

[Letters]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/18/digital-driving-licences-to-be-put-on-phones-this-year/

FUCK OFF!!!
Let me guess

ItS aLl AbOuT cOnTrOlL?

Just like the Covid restrictions that never ended. Oh.

[Niall_Quinn]

Let me guess

ItS aLl AbOuT cOnTrOlL?

Just like the Covid restrictions that never ended. Oh.

By alternating between lower and upper you have really shown up the poster you are responding to as a raving conspiracy theorist. That's what I'm supposed to think from your hackneyed overuse of the go-to propaganda methods. Trouble is, I don't think that.

Rather I think you are boring. A tried and long discredited auto-response to anything that sticks a toe outside the tight confines your masters have trained you to adhere to. It's so old. Still observed by millions, so I won't say you are out of the ordinary at this point - but nowhere near the total millions that used to buy this tired old bullshit.

OF COURSE centralising data for use by the state is all about control. What else could it possibly be about? Convenience? That's the lowly price you will settle for?

Obviously you have zero clue about what is happening in China. Neither do you have any clue about how deeply our "patriotic" leaders are compromised by China. And nor do you want to know, because then the convenience of it all would be somewhat tarnished by the horrific reality. You are the sort of person who needs to feel the dick between your cheeks before you'll even entertain the notion you are buggered. That's fine. None of my business if you want to behave that way.

But your deep desire to try to shoot down anybody that cries, "Fuck, that hurts!", is the point where you cross the line. You don't even get paid to be a bitch, yet you are so proud and honoured.

[Letters]

By alternating between lower and upper you have really shown up the poster you are responding to as a raving conspiracy theorist.
No. He shows himself up as one with virtually every post.
And one would think that given his proclamations that the Covid restrictions wouldn't ever and - can we agree he was wrong about that? I mean, we don't seem to be able to agree that there were never curfews or checkpoints so maybe we can't, but there are no Covid restrictions round my way so I'm pretty confident that he was wrong.
So given he was wrong about that why hasn't he taken a moment to consider why he was wrong and contemplate that maybe, just maybe, "they" aren't all out to get us.


Rather I think you are boring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S8eNZ4fw5I


OF COURSE centralising data for use by the state is all about control. What else could it possibly be about? Convenience?
Yes, mostly. And providing better services.
Why do people go to supermarkets? Why do people shop online? Why do people mostly pay by card? It's convenient, that's why. People like that.
And did you actually read this article? Here's part of a article on the same story:


Physical licences will still be issued, but ministers believe the voluntary digital option will "drag government into the 2020s,"

I've highlighted the key word there. See? You don't have to do this. If people want to then they can, if they don't then they don't have to.
Just like you can still use cash if you want to. You can still go to real shops if you want to.


Obviously you have zero clue about what is happening in China.
What has that got to do with what happens in the West? Very different regime.


But your deep desire to try to shoot down anybody that cries, "Fuck, that hurts!", is the point where you cross the line.
Because they can never point to where it hurts. It's always some imagined dystopian future they point to, one which never arrives.
Can we agree that your data is all over multiple systems. Mine definitely is, you probably try harder for yours not to be but you surely know it is anyway.
And can we agree that via online or card purchases and phones with GPS and so on it's far easier for our activities to be tracked than ever before?

Now all you need to do is tell me how that's affected your life. How has any of that led you to be controlled. Not some theoretical "but they could...". You tell me in practice how your life is more controlled these days. I mean, even during Covid when there actually were some quite draconian controls for a period you posted about how you observed people not sticking to the rules, people going about their normal lives. What happened, did all those people get rounded up and put in some facility?

You give me some examples of how you are oppressed and controlled - not some theoretical.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So quite a few so called patriotic Brits have over the last couple of months expressed the fervent hope that Trump will invade Britain and free us from the woke tyranny of Starmer. Apart from having as much basis in reality as Maga art, you have to love the hypocrisy of people who have spent years talking about how the EU was a threat to British sovereignty.

I had someone accuse me of TDS when I suggested that the return to office of a man who tried to overturn an Election he lost, probably doesn’t represent a return to sanity. This cancels out my brother who has accused me of being a Trump apologist because I think claims that America will not hold any more elections is based in hysteria rather than objective truth.

Of course 4 years ago I remember the salty FBPE crowd hoping that Biden would ostracise the UK to punish Johnson for Brexit, so this kind of tribal vandalism is never unique to one side.

I often feel like I’m in a perpetual atmosphere akin to The Naked Time episode of Star Trek where there’s a virus going around causing everyone to act batshit

[Letters]

I often feel like I’m in a perpetual atmosphere akin to The Naked Time episode of Star Trek where there’s a virus going around causing everyone to act batshit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dccWrg2VtYk

It does feel like people are getting stupider but I think "louder" is the more likely explanation. The internet gives basically anyone a platform, you don't need to be particularly expert or knowledgeable to get an audience.

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dccWrg2VtYk

It does feel like people are getting stupider but I think "louder" is the more likely explanation. The internet gives basically anyone a platform, you don't need to be particularly expert or knowledgeable to get an audience.

Stupider isn’t the issue, it’s the cult mentality for a start. The total negation of considering
Anything to be bad when it comes to your own side. Go back to 1974 and Richard Nixon’s impeachment that led to his resignation. This was a cross party affair, Republicans would have voted to convict in the senate just as eagerly as Democrats . It’s not something that’s happened overnight, we’ve seen naked partisanship for decades but there would always be a limit. But whether it’s Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn in this country or Donald Trump in another….there is this immediate willingness to defend what they do, and a tendency to bristle when they are attacked

And this is just in terms of individual politicians. This is before you get to the cult of Free Palestine, DEI or the Trad Christian/Incel nonsense on the other side. There’s this constant millenarianism vomited out by people who never took the time to learn how to think. It’s also about wanting to belong to a community I guess, being a misanthrope and an introvert means I’ve never been susceptible to that pull.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dccWrg2VtYk

It does feel like people are getting stupider but I think "louder" is the more likely explanation. The internet gives basically anyone a platform, you don't need to be particularly expert or knowledgeable to get an audience.

Jeez, you post links to the BBC web site. It's astonishing you have the nuts to call other people stupid.

[Niall_Quinn]

So quite a few so called patriotic Brits have over the last couple of months expressed the fervent hope that Trump will invade Britain and free us from the woke tyranny of Starmer. Apart from having as much basis in reality as Maga art, you have to love the hypocrisy of people who have spent years talking about how the EU was a threat to British sovereignty.

I had someone accuse me of TDS when I suggested that the return to office of a man who tried to overturn an Election he lost, probably doesn’t represent a return to sanity. This cancels out my brother who has accused me of being a Trump apologist because I think claims that America will not hold any more elections is based in hysteria rather than objective truth.

Of course 4 years ago I remember the salty FBPE crowd hoping that Biden would ostracise the UK to punish Johnson for Brexit, so this kind of tribal vandalism is never unique to one side.

I often feel like I’m in a perpetual atmosphere akin to The Naked Time episode of Star Trek where there’s a virus going around causing everyone to act batshit

I suspect there are about 8 people who want Trump to invade Britistan.

[Letters]

Jeez, you post links to the BBC web site. It's astonishing you have the nuts to call other people stupid.

That would work much better as a zinger if it wasn't coming from someone who decried two BBC articles as "fake news", both of which were entirely accurate. :lol:
When's the curfew in your sector again? :)

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c15znkk12xjo

Well I’m glad we’ve sorted that out

[Niall_Quinn]

OMG, the BBC AGAIN! You fucking live there!

Wonder what that shit is about? Really, but not really.

[Niall_Quinn]

Fake news channel Sky News is to be wound up in 2030 and will shift its propaganda effort to an online platform that will have approx. 17 subscribers.

This is one of the most positive news stories to emerge in decades. BBC next!

Watch them push shamelessly for special protections and advantages over the next few years and watch them pushing for censorship of any and every competitor that would otherwise wipe the floor with them.

Get woke go broke.

Sounds like CNN are gone too, having announced even more layoffs. How many is that now and why did they need that many drones in the first place?

[HCZ_Reborn]

Salwan Momika who I considered to be little more than a lowbrow troll engaging in outrage bait was murdered last night in Sweden for live streaming the burning of a Quran. Whilst I have no time for such performative exercises, I think that a) It’s an individuals right to burn their own property and that “holy texts” should not be protected from this b) It proves the problem we have in the west with such Pavlovian behaviour.

Servile and spineless politicians think the best thing to do is find legal loopholes to make burning or defacing religious texts illegal without trampling on existing freedom of expression laws

Rather than targeting people who think the remedy to being offended is to shoot a man dead

Fuck them, Salafist pieces of shit

[Niall_Quinn]

Salwan Momika who I considered to be little more than a lowbrow troll engaging in outrage bait was murdered last night in Sweden for live streaming the burning of a Quran. Whilst I have no time for such performative exercises, I think that a) It’s an individuals right to burn their own property and that “holy texts” should not be protected from this b) It proves the problem we have in the west with such Pavlovian behaviour.

Servile and spineless politicians think the best thing to do is find legal loopholes to make burning or defacing religious texts illegal without trampling on existing freedom of expression laws

Rather than targeting people who think the remedy to being offended is to shoot a man dead

Fuck them, Salafist pieces of shit

I view these kind of events like a woman, pissed as a newt, tottering through South London slums in her underwear in the early hours. She has a right to do that and she's not asking for anything other than to make it home. Just like I have a right to hit my thumb with a hammer.

Of course if there was a completely over-the-top, cruel and unusual punishment for attacking women on the street, or, say, committing premeditated murder, we might all end up with a little more liberty to do stupid things. And we should have that liberty, but how realistic is it to assume we'll ever get to a place where at least a few scumbags aren't on the loose?

In this case though we could simply say, well, your beliefs and our beliefs don't tally in any way. So why don't we live here and you go and live over there and we'll just stay out of each others way? That would get me done for racism though.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yn0d310zo

I kinda thought that after the pandemic hybrid working would become the new default. But there does seem to be a direction of travel towards getting people back in.

There definitely is value in going to the office and seeing people. I started working with a bloke at the start of the pandemic. Worked with him for a couple of years ago and then one day, after we'd finished working together and the restrictions were over, I went to the office and he lives fairly close so he came in and we had dinner. I got to know him better that evening than in all the time we'd worked together. But people do value that flexibility so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yn0d310zo

I kinda thought that after the pandemic hybrid working would become the new default. But there does seem to be a direction of travel towards getting people back in.

There definitely is value in going to the office and seeing people. I started working with a bloke at the start of the pandemic. Worked with him for a couple of years ago and then one day, after we'd finished working together and the restrictions were over, I went to the office and he lives fairly close so he came in and we had dinner. I got to know him better that evening than in all the time we'd worked together. But people do value that flexibility so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Can you please keep your gay adventures to yourself? I'm having my dinner!

[HCZ_Reborn]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8yn0d310zo

I kinda thought that after the pandemic hybrid working would become the new default. But there does seem to be a direction of travel towards getting people back in.

There definitely is value in going to the office and seeing people. I started working with a bloke at the start of the pandemic. Worked with him for a couple of years ago and then one day, after we'd finished working together and the restrictions were over, I went to the office and he lives fairly close so he came in and we had dinner. I got to know him better that evening than in all the time we'd worked together. But people do value that flexibility so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

The problem is it’s being used as a culture war talking point. A way of irresponsible politicians and boorish columnists to make it somehow that people working from home are lazy and entitled. When actually employees get very little say in whether they are remote workers or not. Employers have run with this in order to cut down on renting office space in most circumstances.

Like with everything there are pros and cons, I think if anything workers are more productive at home because a) there are fewer distractions and b) most including myself will work outside the usual allotted office hours.

But for young people especially it’s a barrier to the social interactions that the rest of us once took for granted. How many of us have friends that were once work colleagues.

I think it also does encourage sedentary existence. At one time I was doing an average 3-4 miles walking a day getting to and from work.

[The Wengerbabies]

But for young people especially it’s a barrier to the social interactions that the rest of us once took for granted. How many of us have friends that were once work colleagues.


Young people love wfh, it's much better for their social lives, they don't wfh they work from wherever permanent vacation with their laptops. But of course Mr Shekelstein doesn't want them to experience the freedom and the glimpse of a better life, he needs them back in their wagie cage.

[HCZ_Reborn]

Young people love wfh, it's much better for their social lives, they don't wfh they work from wherever permanent vacation with their laptops. But of course Mr Shekelstein doesn't want them to experience the freedom and the glimpse of a better life, he needs them back in their wagie cage.

I’m sorry was I meant to engage with that after your Jew baiting

Plus the only people who want people back in the office are property owners and bloated fucks like Richard Littlejohn who has spent his entire chubby career working from home when not billing his employers for expensive liquid lunches

[Niall_Quinn]

The more human beings are isolated from each other the more the trans-humanist agenda takes shape. Living, breathing, social human beings are all that stand between the continuance of the species and it's radical culling and transformation into something that simply isn't human. These agendas are mapped in in decades, even millennia, not political cycles. It may seem a small thing, having everyone work from home with their ears blocked by headphones and the eyes riveted on screens and their senses disabled by virtual reality rather than the perfectly available and endlessly superior actual reality. But removing that human contact, so important in the formative years of both the child and the young adult, is the wet dream of those who loathe humanity and want to see it destroyed.

[HCZ_Reborn]

The more human beings are isolated from each other the more the trans-humanist agenda takes shape. Living, breathing, social human beings are all that stand between the continuance of the species and it's radical culling and transformation into something that simply isn't human. These agendas are mapped in in decades, even millennia, not political cycles. It may seem a small thing, having everyone work from home with their ears blocked by headphones and the eyes riveted on screens and their senses disabled by virtual reality rather than the perfectly available and endlessly superior actual reality. But removing that human contact, so important in the formative years of both the child and the young adult, is the wet dream of those who loathe humanity and want to see it destroyed.

So that’s utter bollocks. The social justice and gender radical nonsense long predates the social distancing and working from home edicts that occurred as a result of Covid. Plus it’s kind of ironic given that there’s a big subsection of people who think their children should be isolated and homeschooled to stop them being inculcated into woke religion.

Plus no offence, but you talking about isolationism and loathing humanity is the pot calling the kettle black. Your regard for humanity only exists in so far that you have this ideal of people that you think government and shadowy cabals and other clandestine forces have contrived to repress.

From my perspective, you and the purple hair coloured imbeciles are two sides of the same coin. Fucking mental, marinading in this utopian millenarian fantasy that will only ever exist in your minds. Totally impervious to reality because you live in your own siphoned off reality

[Niall_Quinn]

So that’s utter bollocks. The social justice and gender radical nonsense long predates the social distancing and working from home edicts that occurred as a result of Covid. Plus it’s kind of ironic given that there’s a big subsection of people who think their children should be isolated and homeschooled to stop them being inculcated into woke religion.

Plus no offence, but you talking about isolationism and loathing humanity is the pot calling the kettle black. Your regard for humanity only exists in so far that you have this ideal of people that you think government and shadowy cabals and other clandestine forces have contrived to repress.

From my perspective, you and the purple hair coloured imbeciles are two sides of the same coin. Fucking mental, marinading in this utopian millenarian fantasy that will only ever exist in your minds. Totally impervious to reality because you live in your own siphoned off reality

Oh....kaaaay.

Never mentioned covid. Why did you bring that up? Trigger mechanisms correctly installed?

Personal attack in response to a neutral answer? Prefaced by "no offence", and we both know what that means. At least be honest.

And the purple hair?

Fucking strange response. It's like I grabbed your bollocks and pulled and now you have the hump.

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Oh....kaaaay.

Never mentioned covid. Why did you bring that up? Trigger mechanisms correctly installed?

Personal attack in response to a neutral answer? Prefaced by "no offence", and we both know what that means. At least be honest.

And the purple hair?

Fucking strange response. It's like I grabbed your bollocks and pulled and now you have the hump.

You’re right I apologise for saying no offence it’s a completely pointless adjunct

I mentioned Covid only in so far that working from home is a direct result of it.

But yes I was only half reading and saw Trans rather than the whole Transhumanism

So yes I apologise for wrongly attributing you conflating social justice nonsense with social isolationism

But I reject your notion of trying to turn people into Cybermen, if you were to actually infer a dystopian curve it would be towards total human obsolescence in general rather than technological mind/body modification.

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Incidentally, it has been quite a while now since I came across anyone competent in their profession. The dumbing down is epic and it has happened fast, over a few decades. You deal with anyone in any profession these days and if they are under a certain age they are pitiful. Of course there are always exceptions, but the level of stupidity in general is shocking. Stuff we used to think was obvious is now "awesome" to your average yank, and even Brits and Krauts are showing signs of sever mental degradation. A lot of it comes from tech. Eventually human being won't be able to remember their own name without it. Tech makes people stupid, it doesn't empower them in the least. Well, the exception being the few who collate all that information for personal gain. The incredibly incompetent tech giants who could string together a useful bit of code if you dictated it to the, for example Alphabet and their laughable, unusable products, or Microsoft and their unbroken heritage of excrement, are sucking the independence, ingenuity and independence out of ever user their shitware touches. The dream we had of using technology to liberate us has been transformed into a prison we are rapidly constructing for ourselves, all the while having to suffer the increasing lack of utility these "conveniences" offer. And the latest horror is AI, controlled by the same morons. Yeah, sure, they can't be morons because they are rich - and that's the ONLY criteria. Try searching for anything useful these days and see what you get. The great leap forward indeed. Yep, AI and the TEN TRILLION share cap conjured out of thin air by the hype train, that will definitely benefit all mankind, you just got to have faith brother. For sure, let's leave it in the hands of thes demonstrably humanitarian corporations to govern all aspects of our life, fro cradle to grave. I mean what could possibly go wrong?

[Niall_Quinn]

You’re right I apologise for saying no offence it’s a completely pointless adjunct

I mentioned Covid only in so far that working from home is a direct result of it.

No it's not. The work from home utopia was sparked by the dot com bullshit that, shock, horror, turned out to be bullshit. Have you ever noticed these great migrations of hapless fools always coincide with stock market booms and busts and one way wealth transfers?

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No it's not. The work from home utopia was sparked by the dot com bullshit that, shock, horror, turned out to be bullshit. Have you ever noticed these great migrations of hapless fools always coincide with stock market booms and busts and one way wealth transfers?

And how many people were involved with the .com fad?

How many ordinary people working 9-5 jobs suddenly decided to become entrepreneurs in something they didn’t even really understand (a bit like the NFT of its day)

The mass migration from office work to working from home came from COVID, would it have happened anyway probably yes but certainly not as quickly as it did. The thing existed as a concept before Covid it certainly didn’t exist as a ordinary set of circumstances

[Niall_Quinn]

Crappy Apple "magic" keyboard always misses the last fucking letter of the word. Another tech giant doing what they do. The old IBM keyboards used to click so you knew the intention was nailed in. But now we have "progress" and Chines slave.

Honestly, literally, I meant to type slaves there and the cunt thing just ignored the 's'.

[Niall_Quinn]

And how many people were involved with the .com fad?

How many ordinary people working 9-5 jobs suddenly decided to become entrepreneurs in something they didn’t even really understand (a bit like the NFT of its day)

The mass migration from office work to working from home came from COVID, would it have happened anyway probably yes but certainly not as quickly as it did. The thing existed as a concept before Covid it certainly didn’t exist as a ordinary set of circumstances

The dot com fad? Seriously? Dude, that was yet another one of those "Everybody knows" moments that we've continued to suffer right up until the present day. The ONLY one that ever actually materialised was Bitcoin and that's because those cunts don't control it, or at least didn't. That was no "fad", it was the state of the industry and the fate of the global economies. It just shows how incredibly human those super human individuals who conquer the world genuinely are. That's the conceit that is their downfall, they literally think they are better than us because they found a way to con a lot of us.

As for the entrepreneur thing, that kicked off even before the dot com, when the www arrived - Bernars-Lee's organisation of a previously obscure, educationally and military based transformative technology that almost escaped by accident. That's when Amazon took form. We could have built anything on that tech, and Bernars-Lee gave us a decent start. Well, here we are today. Sadness doesn't even scratch the magnitude of the failure.

Yeah okay, they literally FORCED people into their new paradigm, in some cases at gunpoint. They threw some coals on a fire lit a long time ago. Detaching people from social interaction has always been the plan though. I mean they even shut down the fucking pubs. In Ireland and Britain! Come on, it's all just a collection of coincidentally aligned outcomes where people end up ever more isolated and ever more mentally il and suicidall? You think the purple hair people and ME are your main concern? Well, give it a while and come back to me.

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The dot com fad? Seriously? Dude, that was yet another one of those "Everybody knows" moments that we've continued to suffer right up until the present day. The ONLY one that ever actually materialised was Bitcoin and that's because those cunts don't control it, or at least didn't. That was no "fad", it was the state of the industry and the fate of the global economies. It just shows how incredibly human those super human individuals who conquer the world genuinely are. That's the conceit that is their downfall, they literally think they are better than us because they found a way to con a lot of us.

As for the entrepreneur thing, that kicked off even before the dot com, when the www arrived - Bernars-Lee's organisation of a previously obscure, educationally and military based transformative technology that almost escaped by accident. That's when Amazon took form. We could have built anything on that tech, and Bernars-Lee gave us a decent start. Well, here we are today. Sadness doesn't even scratch the magnitude of the failure.

Yeah okay, they literally FORCED people into their new paradigm, in some cases at gunpoint. They threw some coals on a fire lit a long time ago. Detaching people from social interaction has always been the plan though. I mean they even shut down the fucking pubs. In Ireland and Britain! Come on, it's all just a collection of coincidentally aligned outcomes where people end up ever more isolated and ever more mentally il and suicidall? You think the purple hair people and ME are your main concern? Well, give it a while and come back to me.

Suffice to say, no neither you or the Purple haired people are my main concern.

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Suffice to say, no neither you or the Purple haired people are my main concern.

Good. Now maybe you can focus on what ought to be your main concern. And I don't mean propping up the status quo because it's too hard to do anything else.

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Good. Now maybe you can focus on what ought to be your main concern. And I don't mean propping up the status quo because it's too hard to do anything else.

Your ought not mine, surely by now you’ve realised that trying to transpose your world view onto me and make your concerns my concerns is likely to be as successful now as it’s been at any time in the past decade

If nothing else I implore you to make your peace with that

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Your ought not mine, surely by now you’ve realised that trying to transpose your world view onto me and make your concerns my concerns is likely to be as successful now as it’s been at any time in the past decade

If nothing else I implore you to make your peace with that

The burden of teaching isn't relieved by the pupil's refusal to learn. The passage of time and reality eventually embolden the pupil to teach the same lessons as if they were always known.

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The burden of teaching isn't relieved by the pupil's refusal to learn. The passage of time and reality eventually embolden the pupil to teach the same lessons as if they were always known.

I admire your persistence if not the misattributed sense of grandeur that informs it

As long as you realise (even if you won’t ever acknowledge) that you are doomed to failure

[Niall_Quinn]

I admire your persistence if not the misattributed sense of grandeur that informs it

As long as you realise (even if you won’t ever acknowledge) that you are doomed to failure

Okay, thanks.

[Niall_Quinn]

I didn't know this but Gary Neville was at Davos. He was bushwhacked by Avi Yemini who asked him pertinent questions that Neville declined to answer. Big question here, why was "man of the people" Gary Neville invited to the biggest corporate shindig of the year?

Is he an even bigger scumbag that we suspected?

A much more important scumbag? I this why this scumbag is attacking Arteta and trying to cover up for the corrupt PGMOL? Sport is an important distraction for the slaves. It makes sense that the mouthpiece for the ultimate bread and circuses show is attending the conference that sets the menu.

[Niall_Quinn]

I mean, what a cunt. Davos. Seriously?

Are any questions left unanswered?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgl5yyg1x6o

:popcorn:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgl5yyg1x6o

:popcorn:

I’m still far from convinced, the evidence they examined largely is confined to whether there is evidence of injecting air bubbles….and even then if you read the article there seems to be some contention about that.

Letby like every other individual has the right to appeal and the right for her conviction to be fully secure. I still love the people who claim she’s a scapegoat to protect the NHS from its failings and I immediately think “wait you think the NHS comes well out of this in any scenario?”


I’m largely a man who adheres to Occam’s Razor. So if the simplest explanation isn’t the most likely….there better be a bloody good explanation.

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I honestly don't know what to think. The evidence seemed pretty damning at the time but some of the things I read today about it do cast some doubt on it all.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I honestly don't know what to think. The evidence seemed pretty damning at the time but some of the things I read today about it do cast some doubt on it all.

Probably the most honest approach to take frankly

I won’t lie that there’s a strong part of me that doesn’t want her to be innocent because I think conspiracy theorists have been utterly full of shit about it (mainly thirsty lads who think she’s going to fuck them if they prove her innocence :lol:). NQ might call it me having too much trust in the system but that’s because he’s a binary person who thinks you have to be paranoid about everything or you’re credulous.

But equally we know that there are miscarriages of justice even in this day and age. So I’ll continue to be skeptical but if I’m wrong I’m wrong.

[Mac76]

Kay Burley retiring - good, I still can't get over her describing herself as a 'journalist' rather than a right-wing glove puppet (although admittedly she's not the only 'journalist' to do so)

[Mac76]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgl5yyg1x6o

:popcorn:

I love the first line: "Child killer Lucy Letby did not murder any babies"

so she's not a, errr, child-killer then, right...?

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I love the first line: "Child killer Lucy Letby did not murder any babies"

so she's not a, errr, child-killer then, right...?

Depends, she might have been murdering kids on the side. She just drew the line at those under 1 year

[HCZ_Reborn]

Kay Burley retiring - good, I still can't get over her describing herself as a 'journalist' rather than a right-wing glove puppet (although admittedly she's not the only 'journalist' to do so)

She’s not really right wing though is she, she’s whatever her employers need her to be. She’s a company woman (which I guess is kind of worse as it’s not even coming from a place of principle)

Sky News since it was sold by Murdoch has largely dropped its right wing editorialising. She wouldn’t have taken the tone she did with Richard Tice in an interview the other day otherwise

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she’s whatever her employers need her to be

I believe Nazi concentration camp guards made the same excuse

And she doesn't even have the excuse of being arbitraily posted - in the world of work you still make choices about who you work for and what they stand for

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I believe Nazi concentration camp guards made the same excuse

And she doesn't even have the excuse of being arbitraily posted - in the world of work you still make choices about who you work for and what they stand for

It’s not at all deranged to compare these two things :lol: and actually it’s misattributed anyway. It’s because a lot of these people were true believers in Nazism that they didn’t question the ethics of their orders to begin with. What I suspect was Hitler’s psychopathy flooded into his political philosophy, conscience was a Jewish invention.

Plus I’m not defending her, I’m just stating what is observable. I couldn’t care less if she’s right wing or not. I don’t especially hold people’s personal convictions against them until I feel they are starting to proselytise

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Anyway speaking about blindly following orders or in this case non binding international rulings. I do really wonder what Labour is thinking at times. Handing over the Chagos islands to Mauritius (look it up for yourselves they are a good 1,000 miles away from Mauritius across the Indian Ocean) and paying 18 billion for the privilege. Oh it’s about time Britain gave back its colonies you might hear some dimwit saying, fine…we could give the Chagossians their independence not make them a vassal of another state and certainly not one that is so aligned to Beijing.


Ultimately whilst it’s nice to have some regard for international law, it might be nice that international law had some regard for the people who are affected by these rulings. The UN is an outright corrupted entity it literally serves no viable purpose anymore, and frankly if we disregard one of its rules what’s it going to do? Not much considering its peacekeepers stood and watched whilst grown men chopped babies in half with machetes in Rwanda, and whilst Serbians raped and murdered women in Srebrenica.

But despite this, we have legal advice and we are spaffing a load of money up the wall just because rather than inject it into our beleaguered frontline services. Well done guys

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(From the Random Arsenal thread - I think we should move things here. I'm not generally strict about stuff like this but it makes sense to keep the threads mostly on topic)


Dud you are so brainwashed. Everything is your fault, or mine in this case, never theirs.
I could turn that round and say you are brainwashed - nothing is your fault, it's always "them". Just because you eschew the mainstream and read other things - that doesn't make you right. In fact your worldview has been demonstrated to be wrong. In your world "They" are always out to get you - that's how you get from "the army are delivering tests in Birmingham" and because they're in uniform get to "THEY'RE PREPARING US FOR THE ARMY ON THE STREETS!!!11!!". Then you leap to checkpoints and curfews.
The mystery is how you manage to maintain that worldview when none of that materialises. Why doesn't that give you any pause to consider you might be wrong about things?


Corruption and authoritarianism accelerates to become the norm?
Corruption has always been the norm.
Authoritarianism isn't accelerating, it's not even increasing. Measured over centuries people have far more freedom than they used to. Technology certainly enables more surveillance and control than ever before but the reality is you're pretty much free to do what you want. "They" might know more of what you do these days...but for the most part they don't really care. During the pandemic there were some rules which in normal times would be considered authoritarian but those were removed when they regarded it safe to so - as I always said they would be. They persisted far longer than they should have in my view but if they were a authoritarian land grab then why were they removed?


Well, observing that fact would be the ultimate act of cynicism, so shut up! Our wonderfully democratic government is about to cancel elections.
No it isn't. What are you even talking about?

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Yeah I know you are boxed into discussing a solitary point every time to try and make your point on every other issue. Can't recall now, were you one of the people who agreed with mandatory vaccination when it was being discussed and then enforced?

But given there are a million other points, both before and after, you need to keep up. Yes, the marxists bloody are discussing the cancellation of local elections in certain areas so they can implement the EU regions detailed in years ago (gerrymandering from Labour's point of view, world government from their bosses' perspective). It's just a coincidence most of these elections would have seen Reform smash Labour out of existence.

If this happens then you can't really find a more significant expression of authoritarianism, can you? Apart from maybe death camps.

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Can't recall now, were you one of the people who agreed with mandatory vaccination when it was being discussed and then enforced?
No. I was never for mandatory vaccination and was it enforced? When was yours done?
I had the first two but never had any boosters. No-one was knocking on my door to strap me down and have it.
There were some attempts admittedly to enforce it in certain professions - I was never for that. But they were quickly abandoned when too many people collectively told them to sod off.


Yes, the marxists bloody are discussing the cancellation of local elections in certain areas
Are you talking about this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qjdex1ed8o
They're postponing them for a year.
I don't know what I think about that. Maybe it is a cynical ploy to stop Reform. But is isn't exactly the march towards dictatorship I thought you were implying.

I don't understand how you reconcile this thought that we are living in an authoritarianism regime with your observations during Covid of people going about their business ignoring the regulations without consequence. The issue is you view all events through this lens of believing that "they" are out to get us. That lens distorts things so much it leads you to some of the things I mentioned above. I don't understand where this deep distrust of authority comes from. They might be corrupt, self-serving and incompetent - although I don't believe they all are - but they're not out to get you. They're not out to control the minutiae of your life. If they are trying to do that then they're doing a pretty rubbish job, given how much freedom we do enjoy in this country.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom

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No. I was never for mandatory vaccination and was it enforced? When was yours done?
I had the first two but never had any boosters. No-one was knocking on my door to strap me down and have it.
There were some attempts admittedly to enforce it in certain professions - I was never for that. But they were quickly abandoned when too many people collectively told them to sod off.


Are you talking about this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qjdex1ed8o
They're postponing them for a year.
I don't know what I think about that. Maybe it is a cynical ploy to stop Reform. But is isn't exactly the march towards dictatorship I thought you were implying.

I don't understand how you reconcile this thought that we are living in an authoritarianism regime with your observations during Covid of people going about their business ignoring the regulations without consequence. The issue is you view all events through this lens of believing that "they" are out to get us. That lens distorts things so much it leads you to some of the things I mentioned above. I don't understand where this deep distrust of authority comes from. They might be corrupt, self-serving and incompetent - although I don't believe they all are - but they're not out to get you. They're not out to control the minutiae of your life. If they are trying to do that then they're doing a pretty rubbish job, given how much freedom we do enjoy in this country.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom

You see? You'll forgive anything, but not because you are a Christian.

No, they didn't have the bollocks to put a gun to peoples' heads. They just said, you're sacked if you don't let us stick you.

Oh, it's postponing. Right. Postponing elections, like in Ukraine or some third world banana republic? Fine, fine. For a moment I thought it was blatantly interfering in the democratic process for political gain. I thought it was allowing Labour strongholds to vote and preventing Reform strongholds from voting. I though blatantly fucking with democracy was kind of authoritarian in nature.

But now I see it's just a waterlogged pitch and the replay will be sometime later. There's really nothing to see here, we should move on.

I don't think there's anything government does that you would ever denounce, let alone stand against.

And then you quickly skip away in the hope I'll engage you in a discussion about MY flaws, which affect nobody as far as I can tell. If only I'D stop speaking then everything would seem okay, is that the desire?

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I don't think there's anything government does that you would ever denounce, let alone stand against.
I haven't expressed an opinion about the elections being postponed. I haven't robustly defended it nor have I denounced it.
I merely pushed back against your characterisation of the story which made it sound like Labour have decided we aren't having elections any more and they are now going to stay in power indefinitely.

But I certainly denounced most of the Covid policies. They were obviously bollox. All the posts are there in the relevant thread.
I just never thought that those polices were an authoritarian landgrab on our freedoms - and I was right, those polices are no longer in effect.
I never thought that the army delivering tests in uniform were doing so to soften us up for troops on the street - and I was right, unless they're in camo and I can't see them.
I never thought there would be curfews or checkpoints - and I was right, are there any round your way?

The reason I was right isn't because I'm a genius, it's because I understand the government, while flawed, aren't all out to get us.
They're not seeking to oppress and control us. You can keep pretending they are while going about your daily business unhindered if you like, it's just a bit silly.


And then you quickly skip away in the hope I'll engage you in a discussion about MY flaws, which affect nobody as far as I can tell.
They affect no-one but you, and maybe your family. It's up to you whether you engage and I don't care what you do.
I'm just pointing out the flaws and reminding you where those flaws have led you - to flawed predictions and analysis of events.
Why you choose to ignore that and continue with your flawed worldview despite that track record is a mystery known only to yourself.

You're a bird in a cage with an open door, coming and going as you please and lamenting the cage and the crushing control it has on you.
It's a bit odd and it doesn't seem to be making you happy.
I'm just pointing out the door is open.

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What was that thing you were saying? Deflect, deflect, deflect?

Yeah, it's just a few postponed elections in areas where the opposition might pick up seats. How is that in any way shitting all over the democratic process? What it really proves it NQ is the problem.

Okay then. I declare the elections are back on! See, that made me happy!

Now we can both go and check the BBC to wait for the announcement.

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What was that thing you were saying? Deflect, deflect, deflect?

Yeah, it's just a few postponed elections in areas where the opposition might pick up seats. How is that in any way shitting all over the democratic process? What it really proves it NQ is the problem.

Okay then. I declare the elections are back on! See, that made me happy!

Now we can both go and check the BBC to wait for the announcement.
You're mixing up two things.

The first is this specific story - I hadn't heard about it till you brought it up. I still haven't looked into it in enough detail to really form a view. I can certainly see the point that Reform are popular right now and this could be a cynical attempt to stop their march. I've never denied that Government is cynical, self-serving and corrupt. Till that...what is it, Fixed Term Parliament Act or something the incumbent government could always time the election to be when they wanted and they used that to maximise their chances of winning.
What the Government isn't though is authoritarian, they're not attempting to control us - if they are then they're doing a pretty poor job.

The second thing is your worldview through which you view stories like this. Your use of the word "Cancelled" rather than postponed is an example of the spin you put on things.
That worldview has led you down some pretty dark cul-de-sacs. It doesn't seem that healthy. No, it doesn't affect me but doesn't it affect you?
They're not out to get you, dude. They might not be bending over backwards to help you either but most of the time they pretty much let you get on with it.

It's reasonable to criticise things like this and opine that it's a cynical attempt to stop Reform getting more power. OK, I agree they shouldn't do stuff like that. They will obviously have their reasons and claim that isn't why. Again, not really looked into this in any detail. But when your distrust of authority becomes as extreme as yours is then it leads you to some of the conclusions I've highlighted in this exchange. Given how things panned out does that not cause you to question the underlying worldview at all?

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You're mixing up two things.

The first is this specific story - I hadn't heard about it till you brought it up. I still haven't looked into it in enough detail to really form a view. I can certainly see the point that Reform are popular right now and this could be a cynical attempt to stop their march. I've never denied that Government is cynical, self-serving and corrupt. Till that...what is it, Fixed Term Parliament Act or something the incumbent government could always time the election to be when they wanted and they used that to maximise their chances of winning.
What the Government isn't though is authoritarian, they're not attempting to control us - if they are then they're doing a pretty poor job.

The second thing is your worldview through which you view stories like this. Your use of the word "Cancelled" rather than postponed is an example of the spin you put on things.
That worldview has led you down some pretty dark cul-de-sacs. It doesn't seem that healthy. No, it doesn't affect me but doesn't it affect you?
They're not out to get you, dude. They might not be bending over backwards to help you either but most of the time they pretty much let you get on with it.

It's reasonable to criticise things like this and opine that it's a cynical attempt to stop Reform getting more power. OK, I agree they shouldn't do stuff like that. They will obviously have their reasons and claim that isn't why. Again, not really looked into this in any detail. But when your distrust of authority becomes as extreme as yours is then it leads you to some of the conclusions I've highlighted in this exchange. Given how things panned out does that not cause you to question the underlying worldview at all?

I suppose you haven't been keeping up with news in the States either? The outright fraud and criminality of government is being laid bare. My worldview - as you put it - is shit, okay, we're always going to have scum like this because humanity is diverse. I'm not unrealistic in that respect. My request is that the cunts leave me alone and I'll leave them alone. Super simple. I'm fully prepared to be subject to the consequences of fucking with people, because I have no intention or desire to fuck with people. THEY fuck with me. They steal my money, threaten me with violence if I don't comply with their orders, lie to me incessantly, use the money they have stolen from me to do horrific things that are forbidden in my religion, pollute science, subvert medicine, and so the list goes. This is what government does, whether it's my view of it or yours or anyones, judge them by their actions not our opinions.

So yeah, when this "democratically elected" (17%) government comes along and suggests my local election be cancelled (you can call it postponed if you prefer, but the fact is it won't be happening on the day when other's get to vote) then I'm going to (quite obviously) observe that's the behaviour of an authoritarian regime, the same type of regime we quickly criticise elsewhere. They say they uphold democracy, they say we have a vote, they steal money to maintain themselves so they can supposedly uphold these principles and then they do the opposite.

What would you call any entity that steals money on the pretence of representation and then denies you that representation? Fascist? Fits well. Authoritarian? Most certainly. Democratic - I can't see how.

If you spent less time worrying about my "worldview" and more time observing the track record of the entity you pay to "represent" us all you'd quickly notice an ever repeating pattern that cannot be explained away by a single issue you decide to cling to. And besides, you claim to be a Christian so I really don't get what gives here. How can you be a Christian AND a statist?

Honour God
No false idols
No blasphemy
Respect the Sabbath
Honour your father and mother
No murder
No adultery
No stealing
No lying
No eyeing up their oil

How is the state doing? Of course if you listed out Lucifer's commandments then they'd be lockstep.

At least my "worldview" is consistent. Your's is all over the place.

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So I belong to one of these local Facebook groups, usually filled with curtain twitchers and pearl clutchers. Although sometimes you can get helpful information from time to time.

Anyway this woman posts about three little shits throwing stones at passing cars basically asking if anyone knows these boys (shares an image, which I’m not sure is a violation but who cares I guess) and one of the replies says “I think one of them might be my son, I can assure you he will be dealt with” :lol:


Dealt with eh?



https://youtu.be/KJYoctO6N04?si=6OEQaZb0xnDmxGh9

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Waste Ground Wankers :sulk:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp82ejmm4r6o

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I suppose you haven't been keeping up with news in the States either?
There's a lot of news coming out of the States right now. What specifically are you talking about?


My request is that the cunts leave me alone and I'll leave them alone. Super simple.
I guess my general point is they mostly do. Day to day we can pretty much go about our lives doing what we like.
Sure, you have to pay tax - but you get infrastructure and services for that. You can grumble about the state of them, which is fair, but that infrastructure wouldn't be in place without taxation and it is necessary in a modern, complex society.
And you have to abide by the laws of the land, as do people in every country. But overall ours aren't that oppressive and by most measures we are a free country.

The fact you characterise the above as "steal[ing] my money, threaten[ing] me with violence if I don't comply with their orders", and the rest of your list, is an example of your worldview that you live in this oppressive, authoritarian regime when you just...don't. For most people taxation is a perfectly reasonable value exchange. Sure, we can grumble about the level of it and how money is used or misused, but the principle is sound. And while we do have too many silly laws, day to day we're not particularly restricted in what we do in unreasonable ways. You go around doing what you please, observing others doing the same while grumbling about how authoritarian things are.


So yeah, when this "democratically elected" (17%) government
How did you arrive at that figure, out of interest? Although one area we are aligned on is how poor our version of democracy is.
The country is pretty much always run by a government which the majority of people don't want.
As for this specific thing about them postponing elections - if they're doing it for the cynical reasons some have suggested then OK, I can agree that's a bad thing.
But a proper authoritarian regime would just stop elections all together.

Your issue is you don't want your freedoms curtailed in any way at all. That just isn't possible in the context of living in a society.


How can you be a Christian AND a statist?
What does that mean? Why are you quoting the commandments? Government isn't perfect. It's not even good. Romans 3:23, innit?
But it is necessary. Jesus indicates in Mark 12:13-17 that He sees a place for government.


At least my "worldview" is consistent. Your's is all over the place.
Is yours consistent? You once said you believe most people to be basically decent, yet you are suspicious of pretty much everyone's motives.
Is it consistent to go around saying and doing what you like while grumbling about how oppressed you are by the authoritarion regime you live in?
Is mine all over the place? It's perfectly consistent to believe that government is flawed - although not so unremittingly evil as you claim - and also believe that it's the least bad way of running things.
In the same way that I believe in the principle of democracy but also believe that ours is a very poor implementation of it.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kmk09xxdko

Complex clinical situation sounds like a euphemism for is stone dead

But will see

In any event, questions over what he may or may not have done during the military junta rule of Argentina aside, he certainly has cut a more agreeable figure than his predecessor who I would hope in his case that hell does exist and that he’s a resident there.

Anyway Papal conclaves always quite fun, a bit like grand national day…will it be the bookies favourite or will there be an outsider.

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Complex clinical situation sounds like a euphemism for is stone dead

I thought that :lol:

Might dust off the CV tbh

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I thought that :lol:

Might dust off the CV tbh


https://youtu.be/kF8I_r9XT7A?si=yhZHtt3jdujwRORW

Here's everything you need to know.

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Here's everything you need to know.
Hmm. I'll be honest, I don't fancy my chances.

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https://youtu.be/kF8I_r9XT7A?si=yhZHtt3jdujwRORW

Here's everything you need to know.

Whilst a papal conclave can take weeks etc, this is not usually the case in modern times. In fact the last papal conclave to last more than three days was over 100 years ago (and that took five days)


I’d probably add that being a European probably doesn’t help you. I think Begoglio will likely be first in a trend of electing popes from outside Europe…so from Latin/South America or other areas of the global south.

Then again the current favourite is an Italian, though in many cases the favourite doesn’t tend to win (Ratzinger/Benedict XVI being the exception)

There’s sometimes a tendency to pick who insiders believe was the runner up in the previous papal conclave. Begoglio was thought to have been a distant second to Ratzinger in the papal conclave of 2005. Wojtila was runner up in the first papal conclave of 78 (the year of three popes)

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Is there a quota for ethnic minority popes?

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Is there a quota for ethnic minority popes?

Based on who is currently Papabile (eligible to be Pope) I’d probably lean into No

Quite likely the Vatican will start appointing more Cardinals from the “new world” once the others start dying off or being defrocked for touching up little boys (:lol: as if that would ever happen)

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Hmm. I'll be honest, I don't fancy my chances.

Fortune favours the bold.

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So from accusing someone of being Anti English (in their view unfairly) I move on to how Englishness is defined

Konstantin Kisin who I agree with on certain topics such as Woke (yeah I dislike the word but I do people here the credit of understanding that it’s in reference to a certain social justice phenomena, rather than anything else they want to apply it to like charity or too many black people on television) has courted controversy by acting like his guest had been smoking crack when he called Rishi Sunak English.

If you reduce English to a certain ethnicity (which some people conveniently forget is more specific than simply being white) than no he isn’t. But someone who is born in England who has largely embraced English culture (I mean the non white racists have accused him of being an Uncle Tom because they’ve said people who heard him speak without seeing him would assume he was white….and they meant that pejoratively) I would say of course he’s English, oh he practices a religion that comes from another part of the world? You mean the same way people do when they practice Christianity?

I’m critical of mass immigration when it comes to integration, not out of some ethnocentric nationalism. A belief that seems to be predicated on the belief that most racial differences are not just superficial, but that someone of a different skin colour might as well be a different species

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However I would question why, despite the fact that he was prime minister for almost two years that he never once suggested that we go to War with France. Desiring War with France, is an innate desire in all true Englishmen.