"Currants Bw..."

[Letters]

My toy drone arrived! :cool:


https://youtu.be/N2j3_KmwhV0




:lol:

Need a bit more practise, I think :d

[Coney]

I like to think I'm pretty comfortable talking about anything with my missus but when it comes to periods, fuck that shit.

They award Red Wings for that. :good:

[I am invisible]

My toy drone arrived! :cool:


https://youtu.be/N2j3_KmwhV0




:lol:

Need a bit more practise, I think :d

You've just stolen 17 seconds of my life.

[Letters]

Well you're not having them back :sulk:

[Letters]

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/times-we-need-pull-ourselves-hold-our-loved-ones-c-53086

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36563337

"The Senate voted down legislation that would have closed a gun show loophole and expanded background checks. Also rejected were:
A bill to ban suspects on terrorism watch lists from buying guns
A bill that would allow the US Attorney General to delay a gun purchase by a known or suspected terrorist, but law enforcement would need to determine the charge within three days
A bill that would alert the FBI to terrorism suspects who have purchased a gun, without blocking the purchase outright."

:doh:

[GP]

They're past the point of no return.

in 2012, 20 children aged 6 and 7 were shot dead. That was the moment the people of the United States decided their right to own guns was more important that the lives of children.

If that didn't spark change then nothing ever will.

[Marc Overmars]

Yep, it's ridiculous. Everything that can happen, has already happened. Head, buried and sand come to mind.

[Letters]

Caroline Aherne :rose:

Didn't like her stuff much, but only 52. 2016 continues its relentless march...

[GP]

Scorchio!

RIP :rose:

[Japan Shaking All Over]

Is there any website or company that you recommend to get PL tickets......want to take the boy to his first game but even the Watford away game looks as if I am going to get rinsed. I put a filter on for 3 seats together and the price came out as 182£ per ticket and that was cheapest!!

Is there an Emirates Cup going on this year

[Marc Overmars]

No tickets are on sale yet mate, any prices you see now are pulled out of thin air. Definitely don't spend your money these sites as they're probably not legit.

The best way is to get yourself and your son a red and junior membership. However when tickets are actually on sale you can look at supporters clubs and various ticket sharing pages on Twitter/Facebook, they should be able to sort you out at face value at least.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

No tickets are on sale yet mate, any prices you see now are pulled out of thin air. Definitely don't spend your money these sites as they're probably not legit.

The best way is to get yourself and your son a red and junior membership. However when tickets are actually on sale you can look at supporters clubs and various ticket sharing pages on Twitter/Facebook, they should be able to sort you out at face value at least.

Cheers MO.......I thought it was a bit sus to be honest.

[Letters]

Meanwhile in Liverpool...

https://thisisengland.org.uk/liverpool-woman-arrested-for-pleasuring-herself-with-a-sausage-in-asda-toilets/

:lol:

:sick:

[GP]

Mmm, sosiges

[Letters]

Pistorius gets 6 years

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36719561

[Thierrymon]

Pretty lenient sentence.

[Letters]

Off on another work trip today :cool:
Big global conference, people travelling from all over so they could have had it anywhere. And which exciting location did they pick? New York? Dubai? Hong Kong?
Nope.
It's in Manchester...

<_<

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Pretty lenient sentence.

too lenient really

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Off on another work trip today :cool:
Big global conference, people travelling from all over so they could have had it anywhere. And which exciting location did they pick? New York? Dubai? Hong Kong?
Nope.
It's in Manchester...

<_<

I'd just assumed you were eaten by a King Cobra on your last work trip, seeing as went dark for a while after going to Chennai.

[Letters]

I got a bit sick of this place, the unremitting misery and every thread descending into the same arguments.
It's eased off a bit during the Euros.
Unless we sign someone big I expect it will now resume though :(

[LDG]

I got a bit sick of this place, the unremitting misery and every thread descending into the same arguments.
It's eased off a bit during the Euros.
Unless we sign someone big I expect it will now resume though :(

It's not really that for me.

There is a complete sense of humour failure on this place. It's so fucking boring.

[Letters]

Bit of both.
Still has its moments but I think the whole concept of messageboards is dying a bit, people use FB and other things now.

[Marc Overmars]

The trouble is it's become a bit of a caricature of itself now. Though in fairness I think every forum I've frequented in the past tends to develop it's own identity in this way. Same topics being discussed, same members baiting each other out, same in-jokes, anything said against the grain is immediately pounced on etc. That's the internet for you.

For Arsenal chat this place is miles better than Twitter and Facebook though. Land of the trolls there.

[Letters]

Too many of the better posters (not Cripps) have left too.
And the fact that Arsenal are in perma-Groundhog Day doesn't help, there's not loads to talk about which hasn't been talked about a gazillion times.

[GP]

WENGER OUT!!

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not really that for me.

There is a complete sense of humour failure on this place. It's so fucking boring.

We get 2 games a year where everyone is buzzing because they've just enjoyed the shit out of a football match - which after all is the purpose of this place. Other than that, the football is a reminder of all the other shit going on. This place was buzzing after the 3-0 over Utd. Everyone had a smile on their face. Not just because of the result, but because the performance gave hope.

That was smashed quickly enough.

[Letters]

And I think to add to that football in general is so crap these days. Leicester were a breath of fresh air last year but I suspect the big boys will buy their way back in this year and it will have been a one off.
Thanks, Sky, for the "whole new ball game". It was OK as it was, thanks.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Leadsome to quit Tory leadership race, May is new PM....may well take over ASAP

[Letters]

So does that mean May gets it by de-fault (the two sweetest words in the English language)?
They don't have to vote, she just gets the job if she runs unopposed?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well yes, it happened the same with Gordon Brown

In my view it solves a lot of problems, country doesn't need a lame duck prime minister and weeks of continued uncertainty. May was the overwhelming choice of Tory party MPs and probably would have won amongst the members anyway.

As a bonus she may be under pressure to call for an Autumn General Election, which will make the ridiculous spectacle of the Labour Leadership contest an irrelevance and means that miserable old fool Corbyn takes Labour into a general election where it will get resoundingly beaten.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Leadsome believes that she could not be an effective leader without support from the majority of the parliamentary party

It's a shame certain other leaders aren't able to come to the same conclusion

[Niall_Quinn]

And I think to add to that football in general is so crap these days. Leicester were a breath of fresh air last year but I suspect the big boys will buy their way back in this year and it will have been a one off.
Thanks, Sky, for the "whole new ball game". It was OK as it was, thanks.

All the action comes in the build up now. Clash of the Titans, Irrepressible Force versus Immovable Object, blah, blah. Then you get these 22 guys tapping a ball around the pitch trying not to concede goals. "It's a real chess match... We could do with a goal... Intriguing...". Eventually there has to be some sort of fallout in response to what's rapidly becoming a sub-standard product, and at crazier and crazier prices. The England piss-take in the Euros said everything about the product. A whole season hyping up these pubbers and then you get the reality call. Any normal manufacturer would be urgently doing product tests to find out how their product crashed and burned so spectacularly. But the PL will just roll on - best league in the world, 200 billion news flash transfer deadline day, first £100mill pubber, pubber injured and out for the season because another pubber who can't play football kicked him in the air. Welcome to the PL.

[GP]

The bubble has to burst sooner or later.

[GP]

AFC debate :ilt:

[Letters]

It's why I stopped coming on here for a bit. Every thread descends into the same thing with Zim and NQ competing to see who can hate Wenger the most. Or, as I've come to think of them...

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131009014720/muppet/images/1/13/Waldorf-Statler_2.jpg

[Niall_Quinn]

It's why I stopped coming on here for a bit. Every thread descends into the same thing with Zim and NQ competing to see who can hate Wenger the most. Or, as I've come to think of them...

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131009014720/muppet/images/1/13/Waldorf-Statler_2.jpg

So you'll visit more if everybody does a Wenger love-in?

[Niall_Quinn]

Nasty shit going down in France again.

[Thierrymon]

It's a damming indictment of the world we live in today that I feel almost numb to this. There are some truly evil people out there and seemingly no solution on how to deal with the threat ISIS and Al-qaeda pose.

[Letters]

So you'll visit more if everybody does a Wenger love-in?

No. But there's a middle ground - a massive middle ground - between a Wenger love-in and "WENGER'S A C***" in every sodding thread.
Would a bit of objectivity and balance kill people?

[Letters]

Nasty shit going down in France again.

Innit. All becoming wearyingly regular. Only a matter of time before it happens in London :(

[GP]

All these French people killed and yet Wenger is still destroying our club :doh:

[Power n Glory]

Their government have said France have to learn to live with terrorism. Fuck that. They need to up the security intelligence.

[Marc Overmars]

It's a damming indictment of the world we live in today that I feel almost numb to this. There are some truly evil people out there and seemingly no solution on how to deal with the threat ISIS and Al-qaeda pose.

Yep. As soon as I heard it was just a case of :rolleyes:.

So sad. The threat these scumbags pose will never cease.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It is clearly horrific but we're here again and we'll be here again soon enough when presumably the next one occurs. Leaders will say we stand in solidarity with that particular country and nothing changes. :(

[Munchies]

Wtf is going on in Turkey

[Thierrymon]

Wtf is going on in Turkey

Mental stuff. It is kicking off all over the world. Someone invent a time machine so we can go back to the 80's.

[Kano]

Mental stuff. It is kicking off all over the world. Someone invent a time machine so we can go back to the 80's.

UKIP and the Tories are doing that right now for you.

[Letters]

UKIP and the Tories are doing that right now for you.

:lol:

:ilt:

[Marc Overmars]

Summer is finally here.

30+ this afternoon. :bow:

[Thierrymon]

Winter is here now.

Only got to 17 Celcius today! :cold:

[Letters]

I'm in Dubai.
It's 45...

#melting.
#godblessaircon

[Marc Overmars]

Going to Dubai in September at the behest of the missus because she's never been before. I tried pleading with her to go in the winter as it's cooler but she was having none of it. She'll probably be complaining it's too hot when we're there. Women. :rolleyes:

[selassie]

Their government have said France have to learn to live with terrorism. Fuck that. They need to up the security intelligence.

Agreed. I can't claim to be any kind of expert on French Intelligence but it must suck to live there right now. They seem extremely lapse.

I read that were 4 Police vans patrolling the area hours before the horrific events in Nice, apparently the Police were instructed to leave the area hours before it happened.

I understand why the Belgian Intelligence sucks due to the fractured nature of their country but France?!

[Niall_Quinn]

The French need to stop selling arms to hateful regimes and funding tyrants and religious nutters. They need to stop interfering in the internal affairs of other countries. And they need to stop partnering with illegal US/ UK aggressions against civilians. Put another way, they need to stop being one of the biggest terror states on the planet.

Then this sort of shit wouldn't happen. On the other hand, the minority wouldn't make more money than normal people could dream about.

So it's a really tough dilemma. Should they few forgo their blood profits or should the many be subject to the consequences?

Hence the wisdom imparted. France will have to learn to live with terrorism.

Convenient. Isn't it?

[GP]

Going to Dubai in September at the behest of the missus because she's never been before. I tried pleading with her to go in the winter as it's cooler but she was having none of it. She'll probably be complaining it's too hot when we're there. Women. :rolleyes:

You should strike her firmly with the back of your hand.

[Letters]

Going to Dubai in September at the behest of the missus because she's never been before. I tried pleading with her to go in the winter as it's cooler but she was having none of it. She'll probably be complaining it's too hot when we're there. Women. :rolleyes:
First time I came here for work I was super-excited so MrsL came with me for a few days and we had an explore. Not that impressed with the place really. It is way too hot and too spread out - I like cities you can walk around, you can't walk around Dubai for those two reasons. But some of the set pieces are impressive. Worth going to for a few days, I'd get bored if I was here for a week. It's quite good for work though as there are nice places to go and see and good places to eat of an evening.
It just doesn't cool down though, that's the thing I'll never get used to. I came out of the airport about half 12 in the morning in the dead of night and it was still about 39 degrees. And the wind (wasn't too bad last night) isn't a nice cool breeze but more of a hair-dryer in your face.

Should be a bit more bearable in September though. Go to Barasti and shake your booty :cool:

[Marc Overmars]

Some of the sights are spectacular but it's all just very artificial, I've been once before and I think that's enough really. It was on her bucket list though so I thought I'd keep her sweet.

[Letters]

Agree. Worth seeing but wouldn't go back for a holiday.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

First time I came here for work I was super-excited so MrsL came with me for a few days and we had an explore. Not that impressed with the place really. It is way too hot and too spread out - I like cities you can walk around, you can't walk around Dubai for those two reasons. But some of the set pieces are impressive. Worth going to for a few days, I'd get bored if I was here for a week. It's quite good for work though as there are nice places to go and see and good places to eat of an evening.
It just doesn't cool down though, that's the thing I'll never get used to. I came out of the airport about half 12 in the morning in the dead of night and it was still about 39 degrees. And the wind (wasn't too bad last night) isn't a nice cool breeze but more of a hair-dryer in your face.

Should be a bit more bearable in September though. Go to Barasti and shake your booty :cool:

Abu Dhabi is much the same, you'd think that it gets dark reasonably early would be a prelude to cooler weather but no, not a bit of it

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger took GW down!

What a wanker.

[Jofnn]

:gp:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

The servers couldn't hack the whining.

[GP]

The servers couldn't hack the whining.

And neither can I.

It's relentless.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Aye it is. Ironic how it has indeed become a lot of people agreeing with each other but not in the way say Elche used to complain about.

[Niall_Quinn]

If Monsieur L'Dictator starts winning then the atmosphere will improve. But if you keep getting served up the same shite season after season then complaining is sort of obligatory. What else is there to do? Talk about the signings? Wonder how far we'll get in the CL? We already know all that stuff by heart.

[GP]

:yawn:

[Letters]

If Monsieur L'Dictator starts winning then the atmosphere will improve.
Says the man who started at least one Match Reaction thread last season with "Wenger Out" after we'd just won...

Sense of perspective, we finished 2nd last season. Yes we were a bit lucky to, yes we shouldn't be finishing below Leicester, yes we should replace Wenger.
But Wenger, for all his faults, is not an idiot, not THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD. And saying that and rolling our collective eyes about the incessant whining in every single thread isn't sucking any of his tasty appendages.

The groundhog day is frustrating but so is some people on here acting like Wenger just slept with their mum and wiped his cock on the curtains on the way out.

[Niall_Quinn]

Says the man who started at least one Match Reaction thread last season with "Wenger Out" after we'd just won...

Sense of perspective, we finished 2nd last season. Yes we were a bit lucky to, yes we shouldn't be finishing below Leicester, yes we should replace Wenger.
But Wenger, for all his faults, is not an idiot, not THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD. And saying that and rolling our collective eyes about the incessant whining in every single thread isn't sucking any of his tasty appendages.

The groundhog day is frustrating but so is some people on here acting like Wenger just slept with their mum and wiped his cock on the curtains on the way out.

I meant winning titles and Champions League titles.

[Letters]

I'll judge him at the end of the season ##

[Niall_Quinn]

I'll judge him at the end of the season ##

If he's being judged then he should get life.

Oh wait...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If he's being judged then he should get life.

Oh wait...

No

It's Exile or Death

[GP]

What is Dead May Never Die.

[Letters]

Hmm. Have to wonder what the recruitment process is for this job...

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36843769

:blink:

[GP]

Hmm. Have to wonder what the recruitment process is for this job...

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36843769

:blink:

I suppose the unsuccessful applicants could go work at the BBC.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Hmm. Have to wonder what the recruitment process is for this job...

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36843769

:blink:

Maybe Gary Glitter absconded to the wrong country. Seriously though that's grim and depressing.

[Coney]

So 47 years ago, we landed on the moon. (Don't let the Yanks tell you it was 20th July. It was 21st GMT and UTC. Just because the US lags 5 hours behind. Time on the moon has to be UTC which happily matches GMT.)

Shame the pictures were upside down.

[Thierrymon]

Got my tickets for Arsenal vs Western Sydney Wanderers next year :bow:

Cant wait to see the majestic skills of Sanogo in person!

[Niall_Quinn]

So 47 years ago, we landed on the moon. (Don't let the Yanks tell you it was 20th July. It was 21st GMT and UTC. Just because the US lags 5 hours behind. Time on the moon has to be UTC which happily matches GMT.)

Shame the pictures were upside down.

Only 27 more years to go before Wenger breaks that record.

[LDG]

I'll judge him at the end of the season ##

....and the state of your Mum's curtains.

[Letters]

Beef or regular? :unsure:

[Letters]

So 47 years ago, we landed on the moon. (Don't let the Yanks tell you it was 20th July. It was 21st GMT and UTC. Just because the US lags 5 hours behind. Time on the moon has to be UTC which happily matches GMT.)

Shame the pictures were upside down.

Space :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Time for the Euros section to go?

[Letters]

Yeah.

Euros :rose:

Olympics section, Shirley?

[McNamara That Ghost...]

I reckon so.

Maybe a Zika subsection.

[Letters]

:lol:

And a Doping one.

[LDG]

Beef or regular? :unsure:

:sick:

[Marc Overmars]

Guys, I've found the mythical cure for a hangover.

Dioralyte.

A game changer.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is there a mythical store somewhere you can buy it?

[GP]

Sad to say it but I think this place has run it's course.

I appreciate all the effort Letters and the mods have put in over the years but while every thread is the same thing ad nauseam there doesn't seem much point in coming back.

[Marc Overmars]

Don't be such a queer. You know you want to stick around.

Though if you indeed do one, fair play.

[GP]

I'll judge it in may.

[Niall_Quinn]

Football has run its course. Bet the Olympic threads are 100x better than the footie threads.

[Munchies]

Sad to say it but I think this place has run it's course.

I appreciate all the effort Letters and the mods have put in over the years but while every thread is the same thing ad nauseam there doesn't seem much point in coming back.

It's already dead as it is, stay

[Letters]

Well, the BC are in the papers today :lol:


Diplomatic incidents :bow:

[Ollie the Optimist]

Sad to say it but I think this place has run it's course.

I appreciate all the effort Letters and the mods have put in over the years but while every thread is the same thing ad nauseam there doesn't seem much point in coming back.

I sadly agree with this. Its always the same things said over and over again. Ive found over the last few months my interest in football has decreased hugely so I don't see any point in coming on here to talk about things i just simply don't care about anymore and i think a lot feel the same. Football as a sport is almost finished. There is far too much money around and tv companies run it. I get no enjoyment from it anymore.

[Letters]

The weird thing is although I agree with all of this...people keep on filling the stadiums, buying the TV packages, forming queues at the megastores all the big clubs have.
A lot of people seem very jaded with football, and yet...

[Marc Overmars]

The emotional connection has faded, as I've grown older and settled down I've certainly realised there are far more important things in life to concern myself with. However I think it's impossible to go cold turkey and I'll always be back for a fix. It's like a drug really.

[Letters]

I still follow it but I pretty much never watch a neutral game and actually quite rarely watch Arsenal ones these days. I certainly don't go out of my way to watch them, if I'm around and I can find a stream then I will but it certainly isn't something I make plans around like it used to be. Haven't actually gone to a game for a couple of years now (Dortmund, we lost :lol:)

[LDG]

I still keep an eye on it, but like most of the shit people concern themselves with these days, I find it tiresome, retarded and anger-inducing.

How can you realistically be a part of something that robs you of money and gives you nothing in return. And, it is not a game anymore. It's a big reality TV show, hosted by cunts and played by cunts.

MO is right. It's addictive, because of the bond forged 30-odd years ago, on something entirely different. If there was no history between me and Arsenal, I think I'd treat it like the X-Factor, and switch that cunt off.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The weird thing is although I agree with all of this...people keep on filling the stadiums, buying the TV packages, forming queues at the megastores all the big clubs have.
A lot of people seem very jaded with football, and yet...

I think Tim Stillman made the point that those who do fill the stadium are not the type of people who discuss Arsenal on social media/fan forums after the game. It's like they compartmentalise going to games from the rest of their lives. Going to the ground to watch the Arsenal is like going out with your mates on a Friday after work, just a long standing tradition.

I usually on average go to 2-3 games a season, last season only went to one. And did not renew my red membership in May

[Niall_Quinn]

And yet, if by some miracle we started to get back to the type of football we witnessed in Wenger's earlier reign - whether we won, lost or drew - wouldn't some of that interest and excitement return? Football has become a deeply cynical business, like most consumer based things in life. The whole money as a religion thing is pure shit and robs humanity of far more than its leisure pursuits. Family, work, all of it. Fucked over by the Money God. So a few people can live like the kings of old at the expense of the rest of us. That's our world so it's no surprise football has been affected. However, anyone who watched the Copa final will know that there is still some football locked away inside this industry that escapes from time to time. And if only for those moments it's still just about worth keeping an eye on what's going on in the sport. If only Wenger would give us the steam off his piss, if he could just give us that. Loosen up the tippy, tappy bullshit just a little. Give us something other than the most boring football in the history of the world, which is I swear what we play today. Tip, tap, tip, tap. That's what kills you. Wenger torture to go on top of all the other shit. It's the very opposite of escapism. It traps you right in the middle of the big shit pile we're neck deep in, a constant reminder. But it doesn't have to be like that. Surely, somewhere out there a team is going to recall that this is first and foremost the entertainment industry? If not then the gravy train will run out of steam, so it's in their interest to stop taking all the piss including the steam.

[Letters]

YESSSSS!!!!

Another 1% pay rise this year. :cool:

Take that, private sector losers.

:dance:







:ilt:

[Niall_Quinn]

This means you have just been robbed via the inflation tax. Didn't you vote for this lot? You have voted to be robbed. If you had voted for the other lot and they had won, they would be robbing you also. What does your union have to say on this, or are they one one of these unions that has grown fat on contributions and is in cahoots with the bosses?

[Letters]

This has probably been negotiated with the union :lol:
I'm not a member, they're completely ineffectual anyway. I did have a moan to a rep recently actually, he smiled and nodded and did nothing.

[Niall_Quinn]

This has probably been negotiated with the union :lol:
I'm not a member, they're completely ineffectual anyway. I did have a moan to a rep recently actually, he smiled and nodded and did nothing.

You see what's happened, don't you? You have no representation in government and no representation in the workplace. Nothing good can come of that for you, your family or any worker out there. Maintaining the status quo is not an option for the working man. It hasn't worked in the past, isn't working now and will only get worse in the future. That's why I'm against the status quo in all instances, even trivial ones. I disagree with everything government and the corporations stand for, by default and with no exceptions. I have no interest in negotiation. I don't even want to hear what they have to say. Because I know, fundamentally it is us against them - which is why they spend so much effort trying to turn us against each other. Voting, Brexit, economics, climate change, all the things we have argued about, these are all agendas and mechanisms to rob you and enrich the few. The principles behind these things may be sound, but the bastards who have taken those principles and built agendas on them and reduced the principles to mere PR opportunities are not sound and they don't represent you, me or any fucker that has to work for a living.

So really. Don't vote unless somebody who will represent you is running. Corbyn is the closest bet you have right now. The "unelectable" one. Any guesses as to why the media insist he's unelectable? Who does that idea suit?

Do vote for Brexit. Less corporate and bureaucratic bastards - right? Can only be a good thing.

Don't listen to a word these liars speak regarding the economy. They are counterfeiters and crooks. Simple as. They will skim off your back at every opportunity and that's all they are interested in.

Don't listen to these deeply compromised "scientists" who champion the one trillion pa climate tax. They are in it for the funding grants and nothing more.

But do fight for genuine representation. Do fight for unity between people. Do fight for a corruption free economy and do fight to preserve the environment. You can do all these things without getting into bed with the cunts that claim to be our leaders and experts who always seem to be on the end of the stick that doesn't have the shit on it. That shitty end they reserve for you.

[Letters]

But do fight for genuine representation. Do fight for unity between people. Do fight for a corruption free economy and do fight to preserve the environment. You can do all these things without getting into bed with the cunts that claim to be our leaders and experts who always seem to be on the end of the stick that doesn't have the shit on it. That shitty end they reserve for you.
How, in practice, do you suggest doing these things?

I vote not because I believe in our system but because it IS the system we have and there is nothing I can do to change that, or not immediately. Whether someone is really going to represent me or not (and actually I happen to think my MP is OK at that, and he's an Arsenal fan to boot!), SOMEONE is going to be my MP. Not voting isn't going to change that fact. I might as well have a say in who that is.

[Niall_Quinn]

How, in practice, do you suggest doing these things?

I vote not because I believe in our system but because it IS the system we have and there is nothing I can do to change that, or not immediately. Whether someone is really going to represent me or not (and actually I happen to think my MP is OK at that, and he's an Arsenal fan to boot!), SOMEONE is going to be my MP. Not voting isn't going to change that fact. I might as well have a say in who that is.

I'm just making an observation, not angling for another debate about it. That's already happened elsewhere.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Oh just put a fucking bullet in my head.

[Letters]

I'm just making an observation, not angling for another debate about it. That's already happened elsewhere.

I wasn't trying to start a debate. You told me some things I should be doing, I don't see any way of doing those things.
As always you dodge the question when asked to give a straight answer.

[Niall_Quinn]

I wasn't trying to start a debate. You told me some things I should be doing, I don't see any way of doing those things.
As always you dodge the question when asked to give a straight answer.

Obviously I'm not dodging the question because there are hundreds of posts on other threads that go backwards and forwards. So why bother making that claim? I was pointing out that without any form of representation you're going to get screwed, like you did with the pay cut you just suffered. It's the natural consequence of what we have talked about in the past. Like if I say, don't drink a bottle of whisky and balance on a ledge 50 floors up. And then you ask, well what should I do then?

[Kano]

Oh just put a fucking bullet in my head.

Just keep on drinking, your liver will let you know when it's last orders.

[Kano]

10 hours until the end of the world

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/29/end-of-the-world-doomsday-believers-predict-the-apocalypse/

Wenger :doh:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36924449

Typical public sector wastage, Larry was the chief mouser but obviously wasn't competent enough to handle the job so Palmerston and Gladstone have been brought in to cover up.

If we were really worried about cutting back costs, the prime ministerial jag would have just backed over Larry.

[Letters]

A friend of mine who works for Theresa May (and thus whose job has got quite interesting of late) met Larry this week :lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Jack Russells are much better for getting rid of mice and rats than cats, cats only want to do it when they can be bothered.

I've heard from people that Larry runs a mile if people come anywhere near him, or that he takes a swipe at them. And the only visiting foreign dignitary that he's ever allowed to make a fuss of him is Obama.

[Letters]

Cats are pricks, frankly.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Olympics forum is open for business.

[Niall_Quinn]

Olympics forum is open for business.

Wenger Out!

[Letters]

It's Monday :(

[Marc Overmars]

August already, jeez.

Got a wedding to attend literally every weekend this month. :ilt:

[Niall_Quinn]

August already, jeez.

Got a wedding to attend literally every weekend this month. :ilt:

You'll get arrested for that sort of shit you know.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You'll get arrested for that sort of shit you know.

Only for his own good, people need their head examining for having one wife

Polygamy?.....why not just drop the pretence and call yourself a masochist

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-36950013

:lol:

Sort of thing pre-MrsL Letters would have done.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

August already, jeez.

Got a wedding to attend literally every weekend this month. :ilt:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAi3slDT-rN0Rwtzq8H1QjMeiqDNTbdnkbCh4OGdZzkf4gSX3N

Mo. :bow:

[Letters]

Number of users in the queue ahead of you 49127
Your estimated wait time is more than an hour


Darn you, Harry Potter geeks :angry:

[Letters]

And, unsurprisingly, I didn't get tickets.
And now I see tickets are on StubHub for £1000+.
Bastards.

:fury:

[Marc Overmars]

I bought the book but I'd rather see the play first. Looks like I'll be waiting a while to see it though.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I got two tickets for November 23 and 24 2017. 260 quid

[Letters]

If it was just a book I'd buy it and read it first but it's the script isn't it? As it was written as a play I'd rather see it as a play first but, as you say, we'll be waiting a while.
:angry:

[Letters]

I got two tickets for November 23 and 24 2017. £260

Well done <_<

[Letters]

By the way, the tickets for £1000 on StubHub are only for Part 1 :doh:
Although I did see ones for less which were for both parts.

[Xhaka Can’t]

I didn't even bother trying figuring that it would be futile. But a girl at work got to the front of the queue around lunchtime. I overheard her saying she got tickets.

She was still on the site, so I picked a different performance and got two tickets for myself.

[Letters]

It was complete pot luck. You could join the queue at 10 but you only got assigned a place in it at 11.
I started at over 49,000 so had no chance, thinking about it. It got to about 23,000 before it said they were all gone.
It's like standing in a queue for an hour only to have 50,000 people rush past you as soon as the door opens.
And given that there are blocks of 6 tickets on these ticket resale sites it's pretty blatant how many people only bought them for that purpose. There's so much hand wringing about this from the powers that be but they do nothing about it.

:angry:

[Marc Overmars]

It's a shame but what can be done though? There will always be desperate people willing to pay way over face value.

As much as I want to see the play, if someone offered me a grand or something more ridiculous you'd have to consider it.

[Letters]

Yes, it's understandable.
When Led Zepelin did that one off show didn't they make people show ID? If you only gave people tickets on the door and made them show Id then it would cut things down a lot. Bit heavy handed but it's not that big a theatre, they could surely do some checks which would at least cut it down, too many people have blatantly just bought tickets to make a quick buck, there must be ways of stopping that.

[Xhaka Can’t]

It is possible to do something about it. Venues can require the original credit card before you can collect your ticket and they can prevent re-entry to the venue.

Not always practical depending on the size of the event, but for many west end shows, hardly difficult to do. When I went to see Ricky Grevais, they did precisely that and it worked.

As for selling the tickets for a mint. I could do that. I have sensational top price tickets. But the money would come and go. The memory of sharing that experience with my son will last forever.

[Letters]

:good:

I remember when we played in the Cup Final vs Utd pondering how much I'd sell the tickets for and it would have had to be a bucket load. When am I ever going to get a chance to see us play Utd in a Cup Final? Probably never, that's when. Experiences are more important unless it's serious, life changing money. And at least with the theatre, unlike football, you're pretty much guaranteed a good time.

[Letters]

That said...I'll give you £270 for them.
Final offer
:cool:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Are you Satan himself?

[Kano]

Who closed the Olympic thread for today?

[LDG]

Aye? Why cannnneee post?

[Letters]

:unsure: Really?

[Letters]

That better?

[LDG]

"What? It's not a wenger out thread, that we can complain about being a wenger out thread?"

"What do we do"

"Well, if it isn't a wenger out thread, then it has to be destroyed, with all other threads!!"

"But it is the olympic thread"

Letters: "I don't give a fuck"

[Kano]

:good:

[Letters]

I just opened the thread, I think :p

I didn't close it <_<

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37072736

R2-D2 :rose:

[Letters]

:sick:

Just had an offer on a house 'provisionally accepted', but we don't have a buyer for ours so now we're on a timeline.

:pray:

[LDG]

We have a buyer. Just nowhere to move too.

[Letters]

I've got a place you can have... :unsure:

[Marc Overmars]

Buying a house is definitely one of the most stressful things I've ever had to do. Huge sense of relief when everything finally went through!

[LDG]

I've got a place you can have... :unsure:

Nah. Never liked Hobbiton.

[Letters]

We have human sized doors and ceilings :p

[Niall_Quinn]

We have human sized doors and ceilings :p

Just in case Gandalf visits.

[Letters]

:haha:

Who says God doesn't have a sense of humour?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christian-home-destroyed-flood-tony-perkins-natural-disasters-gods-punishment-homosexuality-a7196786.html

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

:haha:

Who says God doesn't have a sense of humour?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christian-home-destroyed-flood-tony-perkins-natural-disasters-gods-punishment-homosexuality-a7196786.html

Let's be fair though, more than likely the guy is a closet homo himself

[Xhaka Can’t]

:haha:

[Kano]

Fuck you Swansea!

[Letters]

:blink: OK...

[Kano]

My three weeks in this rubble town are over.

[Marc Overmars]

3rd wedding out of 4 this month tonight.

Sick of this shit now. Though this one has a free bar so it's the best of the lot.

[adzzzbatch]

3rd wedding out of 4 this month tonight.

Sick of this shit now. Though this one has a free bar so it's the best of the lot.

So did you get wasted?

[Letters]

OK, I'm up watching The Olympics. What's your excuse for being awake.

[adzzzbatch]

I'm watching Andy Murray play tennis.

Are normally allowed up this late? :p

[Letters]

Is that in The Olympics? :unsure:
I thought that was all over?
Athletics for me #motime

[adzzzbatch]

Nope not in the Olympics, you're correct in thinking that was done with. The ATP tour continues and most of the players that were in Rio had a day or two off before playing again including Murray, all prep for the US Open init.
Good for you :)

[Marc Overmars]

So did you get wasted?

Not really tbh, it was my missus' cousins do, so with all her family there I had to play it safe. :lol:

One more to go next Sunday. :ilt:

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2012/10/16/editor-responsible-for-cutting-paedophiles-out-of-top-of-the-pops-repeats-hospitalised-with-exhaustion/

:lol:

[Marc Overmars]

A girl in the office today is organising our Christmas do. :wacko:

It's August and it's 30 degrees FFS.

[GP]

Tell her to sort her self out and fix her eyebrows.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Tell her to sort her self out and fix her eyebrow.

FYP

[LDG]

So hot in my bedroom, two hobbits just came in and threw a ring in it.

Fuckin sweat fest tonight :(

This is when you wish you bought a fan last winter.

[Niall_Quinn]

So hot in my bedroom

:gp:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://newsthump.com/2016/08/25/labour-mps-resort-to-dirty-tricks-to-keep-corbyn-out-of-his-seat/

[Letters]

Yeah, saw that earlier :lol:

Also:

http://newsthump.com/2016/08/24/fat-old-man-in-micro-thong-offended-by-burkini/

Hmm.

Without wishing to invoke Godwin's Law, what they're doing in France is a bit...Hitler-y.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yeah, saw that earlier :lol:

Also:

http://newsthump.com/2016/08/24/fat-old-man-in-micro-thong-offended-by-burkini/

Hmm.

Without wishing to invoke Godwin's Law, what they're doing in France is a bit...Hitler-y.

Much more like Catholic Spain under the inquisition

[Letters]

Nobody expected that...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

On another note just shaved off my hair and beard for charity

[Letters]

Friday :woohoo:

:patrice:

Off to see Bill Bailey tonight :dance:

[WMUG]

So hot in my bedroom, two hobbits just came in and threw a ring in it.

Fuckin sweat fest tonight :(

This is when you wish you bought a fan last winter.

Tell Letters to respect your boundaries. That's not cool.

(Fuckin' got 'em, get in)

[Letters]

<_<

[Letters]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3759288/Lunatic-speeding-driver-castrated-tree-branch-crashed-car-nearly-double-speed-limit.html

:sick:


A lunatic driver castrated himself after crashing his car at almost twice the speed limit.
Nicholas St Clair, 27, from west Hull, pulled out a tree branch which had pierced his groin in the smash and found his testicles dangling from it, a court heard.

[Marc Overmars]

Wedding season over and done with. :dance:

Chilled bank holiday with a glass of wine or 2 for me. Then to sleep for 12 hours.

[Kano]

How have I only discovered honey JD now?? :cloud9:

[GP]

Gene Wilder :rose:

[Letters]

Really? Noooooo!

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37247160


A GP has been found guilty of having a stash of pornography, including a video of a man having sex with a snake.

:blink:

I'm really not sure how that would work.

[GP]

I'll lend you my stash.

[GP]

Tim Hortons are coming to the UK.

According to my colleague who's never been to Canada, it's very exciting.

[Letters]

Is that what Gary was losing his shizzle about? Don't even know what that is.

In other news, the president of Gabon is called Ali Bongo :)

[GP]

Got my new tattoo today.

http://i.imgur.com/omsMSuq.jpg

[Marc Overmars]

Tim Horton's is pretty nice tbf. Better than Starbucks, Costa etc.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It gets rave reviews from anyone who goes to Canada

Let's be fair it's the UK it will still be heated coffee flavoured murky pond water even with a decent franchise

[Xhaka Can’t]

Is that what Gary was losing his shizzle about? Don't even know what that is.

In other news, the president of Gabon is called Ali Bongo :)

Yup.

Donuts, Timbits, muffins and coffee.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So Keith Vaz......who knew

[Letters]

Had 2 offers on our place yesterday :woohoo:

Young lady came round on Friday evening to view the place and made an offer. I would have liked to sell to her as she's a first time buyer. And she was hot. But an investor came round on Saturday and made a better offer which he then improved with a bit of arm twisting from the agent. He's a cash buyer so it's a no-brainer. The offers were lower than we were hoping but it's enough we can still afford the place we want.

So the ever so slow legal wheels are in motion.

:patrice:

:trophy:

[GP]

Outgrown the dungeon?

edit: not sure that makes sense. Meh.

[Letters]

MrsL wants the house and the garden and.... :blah:

Whoop-ah!

[Letters]

So Keith Vaz......who knew

http://newsthump.com/2016/09/06/keith-vaz-to-resign-in-order-to-spend-more-time-with-his-male-escorts/

:d

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

MrsL wants the house and the garden and.... :blah:

Whoop-ah!

She wants the house?....are you getting divorced?

[Letters]

I hope not!

We're currently in a flat above a shop. I bought it 16 years ago and it's appreciated in value enough for us to move on to a house now. Bit of a stretch financially but should be OK.
If I ruled the world (or even the marriage) I'd probably stay where I am. We'd probably clear the mortgage in 5 years and then I'd be late 40s and mortgage free.
But I guess this way we'll have a Freehold and a house and we'll be able to retire to a mansion in the country or by the coast if London prices keep going like they have.
They place we're buying is £480k :wacko:. It's only because my place has gone up so much we can even think about offering that much.

[GP]

http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/fictional/2011/mr-monopoly_197x282.jpg

That's you, that is.

[LDG]

I hope not!

We're currently in a flat above a shop. I bought it 16 years ago and it's appreciated in value enough for us to move on to a house now. Bit of a stretch financially but should be OK.
If I ruled the world (or even the marriage) I'd probably stay where I am. We'd probably clear the mortgage in 5 years and then I'd be late 40s and mortgage free.
But I guess this way we'll have a Freehold and a house and we'll be able to retire to a mansion in the country or by the coast if London prices keep going like they have.
They place we're buying is £480k :wacko:. It's only because my place has gone up so much we can even think about offering that much.


Careful of them investor buyers.....they're the type that drop out of the sale the minute they find something better.

We had an offer from an investor on ours, but chose to accept the first time buyer....

[Letters]

Hmm :(

Well...the hottie's offer was pretty low, we'd have been struggling to borrow enough to buy the place we want if we'd gone with her.

I've been sent a million forms I don't understand now :(

:ilt:

[Letters]

http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/fictional/2011/mr-monopoly_197x282.jpg

That's you, that is.

Have you seen my avatar...?

[Marc Overmars]

Buying a house. :lol:

Long and boring ass process but pretty satisfying when it's done tbf.

[LDG]

Hmm :(

Well...the hottie's offer was pretty low, we'd have been struggling to borrow enough to buy the place we want if we'd gone with her.

I've been sent a million forms I don't understand now :(

:ilt:

:lol:

We're nearly at exchange, but I'm still shitting it.

Off to rental for us for six months.

Cash buyers :)

[Letters]

Oh piss off :lol:

:ilt:

So the cash buyer hasn't pulled out...
And the hottie has made an improved offer, more than the investor, so we could go with her now.


...but now the seller has pulled out and decided they're not going to move after all.

:doh:

Something to do with having to give his brother some money which means they can't afford the place they're moving to or some such guff.

So now we're homeless :lol:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/1/15/Will_code_html_for_food.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070820063439

[LDG]

Back to Bag End for you!

[GP]

Fucking StubHub bunch of cunts.

[LDG]

Fucking StubHub bunch of cunts.

Them and Viagogo....

Thieves.

I bet there are tonnes of Green Day tickets on sale there already....

[GP]

Them and Viagogo....

Thieves.

I bet there are tonnes of Green Day tickets on sale there already....

Yep, more than double the face value. How is it even legal?

[Letters]

Yep, more than double the face value. How is it even legal?

I put some tickets for sale on one of those, it was a bit over market price but not much and I genuinely couldn't go to the concert because I'd double booked myself (deliberately to be fair, got tickets to see Elton John and then Stevie Wonder announced a concert on the same day which, for me, trumps him). So I did make a slight profit but I didn't want to overdo it or screw anyone over.

But yeah, they really have to clamp down on this sort of thing. Harry Potter and the Cursed Child was a case in point. You can buy tickets online (if you get lucky with their random queue system) and then immediately put them on StubHub or similar for silly money. All nice and legal and you don't have to leave the comfort of your sofa. It's lazy, legalized ticket touting. It really isn't hard to stop. Make it so you can only legally charge face value on these sites. Job done.

[Marc Overmars]

Yeah StubHub is a joke. Surely it can't be that difficult for the event organisers to regulate their tickets on sites like that?

[Letters]

I think it would need to be a legal thing which they would then have to abide by.
But for individual events I've been to ones where you have to turn up on the day and show ID to pick up the tickets. Difficult at larger venues but I've seen it work at smaller ones.
It's a ridiculous loophole which isn't hard to close.

[LDG]

Too much money being made out of it to close it.

Viagogo are cunts too. It's not just the price, there are so many dodgy tickets being sold, and so many tickets that don't ever materialise. And they wash their hands of it completely, unless you go on a mass slagging mission on social media...then you might be dignified with a response.

It should just be banned full stop.

If you need to sell, it should be in the terms that you have to sell it back to the original ticket agent at a reduced price....then they can sell it again. They'll make money at the end of the day, but at least people don't get conned.

[Marc Overmars]

I just find it amazing that such a well known platform like StubHub has been so publically abused for years yet nothing ever seems to be done about it.

[Letters]

Too much money being made out of it to close it.
By who though? The money is being made by greedy individuals, there's no reason the government would want to keep this going, they don't benefit.

Just cap the profit you can make. If I miss the boat I don't mind paying a bit more - I actually bought tickets to see Brian Adams on one of these sites, it was a bit over the face value but I didn't feel ripped off.
If you cap it, it would solve a lot of the problems. It might even stop some people just buying tickets to immediately sell as it wouldn't be worth their while.
It's when I see 6 Harry Potter play tickets going for £1000 each I get angry, immediately after the tickets have sold out and it's clear people have just bought them to make a killing.

[GP]

I wouldn't mind paying 10% over face value, but when £60 tickets are on sale for £200 I have to draw a line.

[Letters]

Exactly. If they capped it at 10% then people who genuinely can't go could get rid of their tickets, people like StubHub could take a %age as an Admin fee and you get to see Green Day so everyone's happy.
How hard can that be?

[Niall_Quinn]

LOL - people who want to live in a capitalist society until it affects them. Then they want the government to come in and ban stuff.

If the tickets are on sale to the general public then no law has been broken when somebody buys a ticket.
Similarly, if those tickets are in high demand and somebody else is prepared to pay over the odds to obtain them then no law has been broken if the original purchaser decides to forego an event and make a profit instead. In fact this is the very heart of capitalism. Those with the most money have the most liberty and those in possession of commodities that are in high demand will make the highest profits. It would be interesting to know what law people thinks the government could use to intervene? And by what right they could justify interfering in a private transaction? I guess they could use similar methods to the taxation system. By stealing the profit using threats of sanction or violence, as they do when stealing the proceeds of labour and commerce, they could remove the incentive of trading in these tickets. Not that we would want to see this applied across the board of course. For instance, I doubt anybody would want to see taxation and limits places on profits from the sale of a residential property. And wouldn't it be true to say that the fortunate half of the population that has found itself at the centre of strong demand and limited supply are scalping those on the outside, as prices have driven through the stratosphere? Half a million quid just to have one of the basics of life? Somebody, somewhere is doing rather well out of that? In some ways it's a bigger scandal that ticket touting.

[Letters]

So the cash buyer hasn't pulled out...
...and now he has pulled out :lol:

:doh:

But the hottie is still in with her improved offer, which was higher than the cash buyer anyway. Have some viewings tomorrow as we now don't have anywhere to go :rolleyes:

[Letters]

It would be interesting to know what law people thinks the government could use to intervene?
Make it illegal for resale sites to let people charge more than a certain %age above face value.
It could easily be justified, I would imagine very few people would be against such a law, the only people who would object would be those who buy these tickets purely to make a quick buck.

The house stuff also needs looking at. The place we've lost would have cost us £480,000. The stamp duty for that would have been £14,000. Why the hell should I pay that sort of money in tax just to move house?!
I think it could be argued it should apply to second homes or investment properties but just to move to a house I want to live in? Sod off!
And yes, some of the stuff that goes on there is a bigger scandal that the legalized ticket touting, but two wrongs don't make a right.

[Marc Overmars]

...and now he has pulled out :lol:

:doh:

But the hottie is still in with her improved offer, which was higher than the cash buyer anyway. Have some viewings tomorrow as we now don't have anywhere to go :rolleyes:

Where are you thinking of buying?

[Letters]

Where are you thinking of buying?

We live in Enfield North London and want to stay in that area. I'm 42 so this is the last chance to get a big, long mortgage.
We couldn't even think about living there had I not managed to scramble on the ladder 16 years ago and my place has appreciated enough to let us make the step up.
If we can find anywhere to live and the other buyer doesn't pull out <_<

[Marc Overmars]

Your generation were probably the last to get in at the right time before London went mental.

I really wanted to buy in London but I would have been stretching myself too much. The missus talked me out of it but I'm glad she did, as we never could have afforded a London equivalent of the house we bought in MK, which is a 3 bed detached. Commuting is a bitch though.

[Niall_Quinn]

Make it illegal for resale sites to let people charge more than a certain %age above face value.
It could easily be justified, I would imagine very few people would be against such a law, the only people who would object would be those who buy these tickets purely to make a quick buck.

The house stuff also needs looking at. The place we've lost would have cost us £480,000. The stamp duty for that would have been £14,000. Why the hell should I pay that sort of money in tax just to move house?!
I think it could be argued it should apply to second homes or investment properties but just to move to a house I want to live in? Sod off!
And yes, some of the stuff that goes on there is a bigger scandal that the legalized ticket touting, but two wrongs don't make a right.

There is a tax that applies to second homes and homes that have not been used solely for residential purposes - ON TOP of any other taxes. Outright theft but because the government raised statute to make the theft legal and because the legal system continues to pretend legal and lawful are the same thing, and because the British people won't overthrow the government and the legal system - it stands. You were robbed of £14K by the government. If I had taken £14K from you without your consent the government would use violence against me as a sanction. In your case though, you gave your consent when you voted.

So I suppose you are correct, the government could unlawfully intervene to selectively undermine the system upon which the economy is based.

[Letters]

It is ridiculous, I feel sorry for kids coming out of Uni, they have no hope of ever owning anywhere in London unless they inherit or the whole thing crashes, which wouldn't be a bad thing in some ways.
Even in 'my day' it felt like the prices were pretty ridiculous and I just about scrambled on the bottom rung of the ladder before it went out of reach.
And since then it's gone up 275%, comparing the price I paid and the offer we've had.
:wacko:

Oh, and as an addendum I was looking at rental prices (thinking we could sell and rent somewhere for a bit if we need to so we don't have to rush buying somewhere), there's a place along our row, same as ours. The rent is £1600 a month.
:lol:

[Letters]

So I suppose you are correct, the government could unlawfully intervene to selectively undermine the system upon which the economy is based.
They already do


Calls have been made to make touting a criminal offence for concerts, plays and musicals - as is already the case for sporting events.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36376947

So actually it would just be making the law consistent.

[LDG]

...and now he has pulled out :lol:

:doh:

But the hottie is still in with her improved offer, which was higher than the cash buyer anyway. Have some viewings tomorrow as we now don't have anywhere to go :rolleyes:

They're cunts those investors.

Do an open house...create some competition...

[Letters]

They're cunts those investors.

Do an open house...create some competition...

I did think about that, we still have the other offer though (which is actually better than the investor's anyway now). I'd rather sell to a first time buyer.

[Niall_Quinn]

They already do



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36376947

So actually it would just be making the law consistent.

That's the same as a rapist committing to assault every woman in the country on the grounds of equality. Either you are behaving lawfully or you are behaving unlawfully. The frequency and thoroughness of your transgressions cannot excuse the underlying offence. Simply because the government has behaved in an unlawful manner on so many occasions it can no longer be counted does not imply their determination is a substitute for lawful behaviour. The fact remains, by selectively intervening in private transactions they are most certainly behaving in an unlawful manner because they are granting themselves rights which are not extended to others and they are picking and choosing the application of their own laws thereby making all their laws invalid. Do they so readily intervene when white collar criminals afflict huge segments of the population? Of course not. Then, suddenly, capitalism becomes inviolable.

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvfhmhITkYY&ab_channel=Envane

[Letters]

Does rape really have to be your go to comparison, NQ? It's like your own little variety of Godwin's Law. :rolleyes:
Anyway, there are often terms and conditions attached to sales of things, if that was to disallow resale, and it already is for sports tickets, then I don't think you'd find many people complaining.
I suspect you're just arguing for the sake of arguing though so I'll leave it there.

[Niall_Quinn]

Does rape really have to be your go to comparison, NQ? It's like your own little variety of Godwin's Law. :rolleyes:
Anyway, there are often terms and conditions attached to sales of things, if that was to disallow resale, and it already is for sports tickets, then I don't think you'd find many people complaining.
I suspect you're just arguing for the sake of arguing though so I'll leave it there.

An interesting solution. It seems to me that you are quite flexible and very open minded and creative on the possible solutions, provided the result is non-voluntary and is managed in an authoritarian manner.

I suspect you suspect I have identified yours (and others) extreme hypocrisy in this argument. To save you time, I can confirm your suspicions are correct. You yourself have used these web sites to profit, although it seems you have bestowed forgiveness on yourself in the process.

[Letters]

You yourself have used these web sites to profit, although it seems you have bestowed forgiveness on yourself in the process.
I used it as a one off for an event I genuinely intended to go to but then couldn't.
And I didn't charge that much over the odds.
There is a pretty clear difference between that and people who regularly buy as many tickets as they can for events they have no intention of going to and then immediately put them on resale sites for as much as they can get away with to make a quick buck.
Obviously you know that.

[Niall_Quinn]

I used it as a one off for an event I genuinely intended to go to but then couldn't.
And I didn't charge that much over the odds.
There is a pretty clear difference between that and people who regularly buy as many tickets as they can for events they have no intention of going to and then immediately put them on resale sites for as much as they can get away with to make a quick buck.
Obviously you know that.

Who are you trying to convince? Me, or yourself?

[Letters]

Neither. We both agree, you're just on the wind-up.

[Niall_Quinn]

Neither. We both agree, you're just on the wind-up.

Well no. You agree we both agree, which is not quite the same thing.

If I get the latest twist in your reasoning, your own profiteering was acceptable because you took less profit. Why did you take any profit at all? Why not do the thing you insist others should be forced to do by an authoritarian regime? Sell at face value? You can't seem to distinguish between a principle and an abuse. For you, the degree of abuse is most relevant it seems.

Have you ever considered letting people mind their business while you focus on minding your own?

[WMUG]

John Motson really needs to retire.

[Xhaka Can’t]

On two occasions I couldn't attend concerts, the last one being AC/DC, I sold my tickets at face value. I could have coined it in on both occasions but didn't want to rip people off.

When AC/DC changed lead singer, I gave the money back to the buyer and returned the tickets for a refund.

On reselling tickets, you're either all in ripping people off or you aren't.

Selling above face and associated costs such as postage, is ripping people off.

[Letters]

The only time I've bought from the site was recently for Brian Adams. I did pay over the odds but whoever was selling didn't put them on the site for silly money. I personally didn't feel ripped off. I hadn't got myself organised to buy tickets on time so didn't mind paying a bit more to get tickets at short notice.
All that said if they made it so you could only sell at face value then that would be reasonable, but then the resale sites couldn't make any money.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Yes they could. Case in point being, Arsenal Ticket Exchange. Those sites could easily modify that model so that they get a commission and that sellers could cover those costs along with supply costs. At a stroke you'd wipe out touting on those sites.

[Letters]

That's the model LDG was suggesting and agree that could work. People who genuinely can't go to an event could recoup most of their money, other people get to go to the event at face value. Seems like a win all round.

Government should make policy based on GW. Ignoring NQ's posts, obviously

[Xhaka Can’t]

A lot of what NQ says is right on the money even if you don't like the way it is delivered.

[Letters]

:lol: not really.

EDIT: On this particular issue I don't even think you're agreeing with each other :blink:

[GP]

Oxygen - Do we need it?

[Letters]

I used it quite a lot yesterday but I think that was a one off so I don't think so.
Has oxygen ever won us the CL? Well? Has ir?

[Letters]

Oh also, viewing a couple of places tonight.
One of them has a bar in the back garden. A bar! :dance: