"Currants Bw..."

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2017/05/12/millwall-firm-to-represent-post-brexit-britain-at-eurovision-with-no-one-likes-us-and-we-dont-care/

Might just work :lol:

[Globalgunner]

The CNN obsession with toppling Trump is very grating. You cant watch it for 5 mins without coming to a conclusion that these people are hurting badly with Hillarys loss. The Russia thing might be true but somebody pleasse provide even a tiniest bit of evidence. A tape recording, a photo of some clandestine meeting. A love letter from Trump to Putin.....something instead of constant innuendo. In the old days papers actually used to do investigative journalism. Get out of the studio and actually find someone who will confess on camera. Instead all I hear is 15 agencies agreed that Russia attempted to hack the election. Maybe the same 15 still searching for WMD`s in Iraq no doubt. BBC are hardly better, WTF is their problem?.

[Letters]

Trump pretty much always says things without the tiniest bit of evidence :shrug:
But I agree some media outlets are a bit too keen to jump on everything he does - although much of what he does is wrong IMO.

[Globalgunner]

Obama tried to influence Brexit.....no wailing then
Last week he tried to influence the French vote.

CNN are just being spiteful
Trump is clearly no intellectual. No need for CNN to stoop to his level

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Trump pretty much always says things without the tiniest bit of evidence :shrug:
But I agree some media outlets are a bit too keen to jump on everything he does - although much of what he does is wrong IMO.

too much concentration on what he says and not on what he does

what's he done is Fire an FBI director who is investigating the links between Russia and his election campaign

It was done at the recommendation of Jeff Sessions, so maybe Trump will throw him under the bus

[Niall_Quinn]

too much concentration on what he says and not on what he does

what's he done is Fire an FBI director who is investigating the links between Russia and his election campaign

It was done at the recommendation of Jeff Sessions, so maybe Trump will throw him under the bus

Totally false. He fired Comey as soon as it was possible to do so, because Comey has demonstrated time and again he is incompetent and agenda driven. Not partisan, but he seems to believe the FBI is independent of the Justice Dept.

Apart from which, the whole Trump Russia thing is entirely manufactured as a distraction from the real Clinton/ Russia thing. Fairly typical establishment move, when guilty blame the other guy for your crimes.

Both highly partisan figures, Clapper and Rice, have confirmed there is absolutely zero evidence of any kind of link between the Trump team and Russia. It's a shame that such a ludicrous allegation gained legs at all, but it has been investigated and investigated again and will be investigated once more by the FBI (Comey's firing makes no difference to that fact) and nothing has, nor will anything be turned up. I suppose the next lunacy will be to say there's no evidence because Trump is a master at hiding his tracks. The establishment has descended into mental illness driven by the critically timely derailing of Clinton's planned ushering into office (something key elements of the Republican so-called right were also heavily involved in).

What we can say, with certainty, is Clinton is NOT very good at covering her tracks. And nor, it is emerging, is Obama. I doubt the anointed nobody will ever face justice but it's starting to look like Hillary will get fried. No competent or diligent law enforcement official will look the other way as Comey did.

[Niall_Quinn]

The CNN obsession with toppling Trump is very grating. You cant watch it for 5 mins without coming to a conclusion that these people are hurting badly with Hillarys loss. The Russia thing might be true but somebody pleasse provide even a tiniest bit of evidence. A tape recording, a photo of some clandestine meeting. A love letter from Trump to Putin.....something instead of constant innuendo. In the old days papers actually used to do investigative journalism. Get out of the studio and actually find someone who will confess on camera. Instead all I hear is 15 agencies agreed that Russia attempted to hack the election. Maybe the same 15 still searching for WMD`s in Iraq no doubt. BBC are hardly better, WTF is their problem?.

The BBC is long since exposed to all but fools. The job of the BBC is to guard the gate and parrot the prevailing establishment line, regardless of who is "in power" at any given time. It has done that job since inception and nothing has changed. It has always been eminently untrustworthy, though it never used to throw it's credibility so casually in the gutter as it did commencing with the Iraqi WMD fiasco. And of course we saw with Saville how meshed the whole philosophy of the BBC is with the establishment and their strange and repulsive tastes. A thoroughly rotten organisation, which is why people have to be forced under threat of penalty to fund it.

[Globalgunner]

The greatest Irony is that if Clinton had won, she would probably had fired Comey within a week of being sworn in. The woman has a long history of settling vendettas very quickly some would even say conclusively. Even as spouse in the WH. You didnt cross her and get away unscathed.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's the point. The real culprits here are the very same people making the loudest noise. The only reason these crazy stories about Russians have gained any traction, rather that derisory laughs, is down to the left wing media's willingness to sell what they know to be fake news and to perpetuate it no matter what evidence does or doesn't arise. They have to do that because if the noise stops then the real scandals come into focus. So a left wing that hates Comey now loves Comey. It's more noise for the news cycle and they couldn't give a shit if people gawp at the naked hypocrisy. As for logic, why would they even want a guy they all claimed was biased against them to investigate Trump? Wouldn't a guy that biased just double down by cooking the investigation? Nothing the left says makes the slightest sense any more.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-question-time-bias-tory-plant_uk_5915562ce4b00f308cf43291

:lol: Disgrace!

[Niall_Quinn]

NSA's stolen shitware being used in massive global ransomware attack.

Or else Microsoft is doing this to finally kill off Windows XP, their last half decent OS.

[Letters]

Ian Brady :rose:

[GP]

He will be missed.

[Letters]

Meh. He's no Fred West.

[GP]

Low energy. Sad.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't believe in Hell anymore than I do Heaven, but it's times like this i wish i did

Of course a hell for someone like Brady wouldn't be physical punishment or emotional torment (in order to be tormented emotionally you'd have had to have human feelings to begin with)

A hell for a thing like that, would be an eternity in solitude not able to gain any attention from the sick mind games he played

[GP]

So there I am, in Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon, at about 3 o'clock in the morning, looking for one thousand brown M&Ms to fill a brandy glass, or Ozzy wouldn't go on stage that night. So, Jeff Beck pops his head 'round the door, and mentions there's a little sweets shop on the edge of town. So - we go. And - it's closed. So there's me, and Keith Moon, and David Crosby, breaking into that little sweets shop, eh. Well, instead of a guard dog, they've got this bloody great big Bengal tiger. I managed to take out the tiger with a can of mace, but the shopowner and his son... that's a different story altogether. I had to beat them to death with their own shoes. Nasty business, really. But, sure enough, I got the M&Ms, and Ozzy went on stage and did a great show.

[GP]

Chris Cornell of Soundgarden has died.

[Letters]

Heard of them but not him. It's hardly Bowie or Prince, is it? 2017 really isn't trying.

[GP]

Heard of them but not him. It's hardly Bowie or Prince, is it? 2017 really isn't trying.

Soundgarden were hugely influential in the early 90s grunge scene along with Nirvana and Pearl Jam.

Of course, he didn't do much musical theatre so I wouldn't expect you to have heard of him.

[Letters]

Best kind of theatre tbh.

[Niall_Quinn]

Heard of them but not him. It's hardly Bowie or Prince, is it? 2017 really isn't trying.

Really? Even fairly recently - Bond Theme?

[Letters]

Had to look it up. He did Casino Royale apparently. Had no idea who had done that.
It's no Live And Let Die.
Macca :bow:

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Chris Cornell of Soundgarden has died.

Fucking hell. :(

[GP]

Agreed.

Suicide, apparently :(

[Xhaka Can’t]

Fuck.

[GP]

Does anyone actually enjoy green tea?

If your answer is yes, why are you lying?

[Xhaka Can’t]

It's Ovaltine for me!

[Letters]

Does anyone actually enjoy green tea?

If your answer is yes, why are you lying?

Went to this tea ceremony thingy in Beijing where the bloke went through all the different types of teas and made us try them all.
Some of them are OK but, overall, PG Tips ftw.

[Niall_Quinn]

Does anyone actually enjoy green tea?

If your answer is yes, why are you lying?

Yes I do and I'm not lying.

I'm into Zen and inner calmness, green tea helps with that.

[GP]

Liar

[Letters]

I'm into Zen and inner calmness, green tea helps with that.
Just work on the outer calmness next and you're done.

[Globalgunner]

Assange rape charges dropped. Its cant really have been rape then?

[Letters]

I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion any more than a presumption of guilt (which often happens when someone is accused, no smoke without fire etc).

[Globalgunner]

Yes but it cant be any less of a rape as time goes by. Unless the victim recanted.


Chelsea Manning released yesterday. Assange charges dropped the next day. Bit of a coincidence dont you think.?

[Letters]

No, it can't have been less of a rape but maybe the victim decided there was no realistic chance of a conviction - which is often the case. Or maybe something fishy has gone on.
Who knows? Well, I'm sure NQ does...

[GP]

Assange is a Putin puppet. Just like Farage, Le Pen and Trump.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, it can't have been less of a rape but maybe the victim decided there was no realistic chance of a conviction - which is often the case. Or maybe something fishy has gone on.
Who knows? Well, I'm sure NQ does...

They've dropped the case because Ecuador refuses to hand him over. That's all. The victim (let's be kind and not call her what she really is) still wants the prosecution to go forward.

[Power n Glory]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-latest-saudi-arabia-billions-arms-deal-military-sales-a7746601.html

The machine keeps rolling.

[Letters]

They've dropped the case because Ecuador refuses to hand him over. That's all. The victim (let's be kind and not call her what she really is) still wants the prosecution to go forward.

What is she really, and how do you know?

[Globalgunner]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-latest-saudi-arabia-billions-arms-deal-military-sales-a7746601.html

The machine keeps rolling.

At the end of everything. Its all about money. Apparently Israel has a quid pro quo arrangement stating they must get the equivalent of any arms sold to the Arabs, so you will have to double that number. Shareholders rejoicing all over country clubs in the US.

[Niall_Quinn]

What is she really, and how do you know?

Well, because nice girls don't behave that way.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-latest-saudi-arabia-billions-arms-deal-military-sales-a7746601.html

The machine keeps rolling.

It's closer to half a trillion, I've read. What an appalling "news" article that is. It misses almost everything beyond the raw numbers. But that's "journalism" for you.

The new guns and bombs will help the Saudis "fight terrorism: :haha:

Honestly, the press has lost the plot. They think people are completely stupid.

[Power n Glory]

It's closer to half a trillion, I've read. What an appalling "news" article that is. It misses almost everything beyond the raw numbers. But that's "journalism" for you.

The new guns and bombs will help the Saudis "fight terrorism: :haha:

Honestly, the press has lost the plot. They think people are completely stupid.

Yes, it's bad journalism. That's the issue hear.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yes, it's bad journalism. That's the issue hear.

Yes, that's the immediate issue. Unless you think the majority of people are going to wake up today determined to inform themselves.

[Globalgunner]

Yes, that's the immediate issue. Unless you think the majority of people are going to wake up today determined to inform themselves.

Actually the Matrix depends on the people remaining somnambulists.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is there any way to turn off those cunting floating like icons that fuck up Facebook videos? Who cares if some cunt likes the video? Why do I need to know about it?

[WMUG]

Not watching videos on Facebook seems a pretty effective way of dealing with it in my experience.

[Niall_Quinn]

No choice. Main YT feed for Indy 500 was switched there.

So far I haven't felt the urge to start pitching for imaginary friends, so I don't think the damage is permanent.

[Niall_Quinn]

Several people have been killed after explosions were heard inside Manchester Arena at the end of an Ariana Grande gig tonight.

Video footage showed people fleeing in tears from the venue after bangs rang out immediately after the concert finished.

Bloodied concertgoers were pictured being helped by emergency services outside the gig and armed police were seen patrolling the arena.

Evie Brewster, who attended the concert, told MailOnline: 'Ariana Grange had just finished her last song and left the stage when a huge explosion sounded.

'Suddenly everybody started screaming and running for the exit.

Religion of peace strikes again.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fucking hell.

[GP]

What a world we live in.

[Letters]

Religion of peace strikes again.

Just couldn't help yourself, could you? :rolleyes:

[Niall_Quinn]

Just couldn't help yourself, could you? :rolleyes:

Just a wild stab in the dark, metaphorically speaking of course. A cast iron guess. Who do you think the perps are?

[Letters]

Also...I've seen a couple of people on FB calling the person/people who did this "cowards".
Really? Cowards? You can call them sick, twisted, evil but a coward is "a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.".
I don't think that really applies here.

[Letters]

Just a wild stab in the dark, metaphorically speaking of course. A cast iron guess. Who do you think the perps are?

I think you're probably right in your guess, but you are literally the only person who I've seen link this to religion - and my FB feed is full of people commenting about this in different ways.
There's what, a billion people following Islam. How many incidents have there been? It's a vanishingly small number of people who follow the religion who do this sort of thing.
That said, I do think Islam has a problem with radicalization in a way that other religions generally don't.

[Niall_Quinn]

Brainwashed, is what they are. Rich people get poor people to do bad shit to poor people. The real definition of terrorism.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some sharp moves by celebs as they beat the rush to "break down" on live TV. Top 10 list coming soon.

[GP]

Just a wild stab in the dark, metaphorically speaking of course. A cast iron guess. Who do you think the perps are?

Cunts.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Who gives a fuck about the person who did this, no fan of Trump but think he summed it up succinctly by describing them as an "evil loser".

Islamic terrorism is no different from any other form of terrorism in its aims, causing disruption and chaos

Clean up the mess, bury the dead.....carry on. Nuts to your disruption and chaos

[Niall_Quinn]

Who gives a fuck about the person who did this, no fan of Trump but think he summed it up succinctly by describing them as an "evil loser".

Islamic terrorism is no different from any other form of terrorism in its aims, causing disruption and chaos

Clean up the mess, bury the dead.....carry on. Nuts to your disruption and chaos

Tackle the symptoms head on?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Tackle the symptoms head on?

How exactly, the prick who did the thing in Westminster was born here so it's a nonsense to say cutting immigration would be the solution.

Like those dead heads who decapitated Lee Rigby, a pair of morons who googled radical shit


You can blanket ban Islam, ban the internet where most of these sad wankers seem to be radicalised.....that might do it

Might just be little bit counter productive though.

You can suspend Habeas corpus on anyone who isn't white or has too many Qs in their name, but again who is this benefitting?.

Or you can behave like the left and pretend this totalitarian ideology is only angry with us because we are so mean to them.



On a more sensible note you can step up intelligence resourcing to target extremists at their source, as it seems more and more than these are lone wolfs who get radicalised on the Internet rather than made up of terrorist cells where they have been indoctrinated in foreign training camps.

You can arrest and imprison anyone who invites violence like Anjem Choudry

[Niall_Quinn]

OR

The British people can stop voting for warmongers. How about that as an option?

In the '80s Reagan's (literally) insane cold warriors started throwing money and material at fanatics, first to undermine the legitimate government of Afghanistan, then to give the Soviets their "own Vietnam". This is where the latest phase of religious terrorism began. It has been developed by the west and thereafter the adversaries of the west ever since. We've been back to Afghanistan, into Iraq several times, we've obliterated Libya, destabilised Syria, funded tyrants and then funded opposition to those tyrants. On and on it has gone. Strike, counterstrike, backwards and forwards. Millions have been slaughtered, mostly innocent civilians and countless children - which we should remember as we hear the rightly horrified responses today of the mere concept of targeting children.

All of our atrocities have been mistakes. One mistake after the next. Every victim has been accidentally slaughtered. Our methods have remained consistent. We have stirred up fear, loathing and undiluted hatred all across the globe.

So no. I don't think we need to do any of the things you suggest, not as a long term plan at least. We may be forced into short term idiocy and injustice just to hold the line, but until we start discussing how and why this began and who is responsible then nothing will be solved.

Nobody is discussing this today. The media is doing what it does. Detaching the causes from the symptoms, throwing away the former and heaping all their condemnation on the latter. That helps nobody except those who plan, fund and perpetuate terrorism.

Which is us. No longer exclusively, our barbarian counterparts are catching up. But we're the main driver. Our hateful governments and the resource hungry freaks, the actual minority that should be targeted without mercy. For as long as a few believe they are entitled to control many we'll have no peace.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

OR

The British people can stop voting for warmongers. How about that as an option?

In the '80s Reagan's (literally) insane cold warriors started throwing money and material at fanatics, first to undermine the legitimate government of Afghanistan, then to give the Soviets their "own Vietnam". This is where the latest phase of religious terrorism began. It has been developed by the west and thereafter the adversaries of the west ever since. We've been back to Afghanistan, into Iraq several times, we've obliterated Libya, destabilised Syria, funded tyrants and then funded opposition to those tyrants. On and on it has gone. Strike, counterstrike, backwards and forwards. Millions have been slaughtered, mostly innocent civilians and countless children - which we should remember as we hear the rightly horrified responses today of the mere concept of targeting children.

All of our atrocities have been mistakes. One mistake after the next. Every victim has been accidentally slaughtered. Our methods have remained consistent. We have stirred up fear, loathing and undiluted hatred all across the globe.

So no. I don't think we need to do any of the things you suggest, not as a long term plan at least. We may be forced into short term idiocy and injustice just to hold the line, but until we start discussing how and why this began and who is responsible then nothing will be solved.

Nobody is discussing this today. The media is doing what it does. Detaching the causes from the symptoms, throwing away the former and heaping all their condemnation on the latter. That helps nobody except those who plan, fund and perpetuate terrorism.

Which is us. No longer exclusively, our barbarian counterparts are catching up. But we're the main driver. Our hateful governments and the resource hungry freaks, the actual minority that should be targeted without mercy. For as long as a few believe they are entitled to control many we'll have no peace.

With a few added extras you'd be better off copy and pasting what I stated about the leftist belief that these people will go away and leave us alone if we retreat into our borders.

We are making enemies of ourselves no doubt by arming the Saudis. But if you go back to the 1970s the same kind of extremists said they would never forgive international intervention to prevent the slaughter of non Muslims in East Timor.

Our support for totalitarian regimes in the region I totally agree hasn't helped.

But why was a music concert targeted last night, the same way it was at the Baticlan in 2015?. It wouldn't happen to be the same reason IS kills children for listening to pop music in areas they control?.

My argument is if we can't accept it in Manchester, why do we accept it in Homs or Palmyra?

[Power n Glory]

OR

The British people can stop voting for warmongers. How about that as an option?

In the '80s Reagan's (literally) insane cold warriors started throwing money and material at fanatics, first to undermine the legitimate government of Afghanistan, then to give the Soviets their "own Vietnam". This is where the latest phase of religious terrorism began. It has been developed by the west and thereafter the adversaries of the west ever since. We've been back to Afghanistan, into Iraq several times, we've obliterated Libya, destabilised Syria, funded tyrants and then funded opposition to those tyrants. On and on it has gone. Strike, counterstrike, backwards and forwards. Millions have been slaughtered, mostly innocent civilians and countless children - which we should remember as we hear the rightly horrified responses today of the mere concept of targeting children.

All of our atrocities have been mistakes. One mistake after the next. Every victim has been accidentally slaughtered. Our methods have remained consistent. We have stirred up fear, loathing and undiluted hatred all across the globe.

So no. I don't think we need to do any of the things you suggest, not as a long term plan at least. We may be forced into short term idiocy and injustice just to hold the line, but until we start discussing how and why this began and who is responsible then nothing will be solved.

Nobody is discussing this today. The media is doing what it does. Detaching the causes from the symptoms, throwing away the former and heaping all their condemnation on the latter. That helps nobody except those who plan, fund and perpetuate terrorism.

Which is us. No longer exclusively, our barbarian counterparts are catching up. But we're the main driver. Our hateful governments and the resource hungry freaks, the actual minority that should be targeted without mercy. For as long as a few believe they are entitled to control many we'll have no peace.

I think most people have tried to do that. Even when people vote for the alternative candidate that promises not do what previous governments have done, within months those promises are broken. You made a similar argument for why people should vote for Trump and not Hilary. Within months he’s attacked Yemen, dropped a massive bomb on Afghanistan, signed a massive weapons deal with the Saudi’s and continues to rattle his sabre at Iran and North Korea. Obama was no better. Great, less troops on the ground but more drone strikes. Takes out Gaddafi in Libya and then we have the whole invasion of privacy issue.

Over here, I’m voting for Labour and for Corbyn. He seems well intentioned and a real alternative. But wouldn’t voting Labour mean I’m voting in the same party that lied about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? If Labour win, will Corbyn distance himself from the American’s if they decide to shake shit up with Iran or the Koreans? We can only hope that he does but you just never know with politics.

[Globalgunner]

I think most people have tried to do that. Even when people vote for the alternative candidate that promises not do what previous governments have done, within months those promises are broken. You made a similar argument for why people should vote for Trump and not Hilary. Within months he’s attacked Yemen, dropped a massive bomb on Afghanistan, signed a massive weapons deal with the Saudi’s and continues to rattle his sabre at Iran and North Korea. Obama was no better. Great, less troops on the ground but more drone strikes. Takes out Gaddafi in Libya and then we have the whole invasion of privacy issue.

Over here, I’m voting for Labour and for Corbyn. He seems well intentioned and a real alternative. But wouldn’t voting Labour mean I’m voting in the same party that lied about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? If Labour win, will Corbyn distance himself from the American’s if they decide to shake shit up with Iran or the Koreans? We can only hope that he does but you just never know with politics.

Trump was always the better option simply because he wasnt a product of the system. The Republican hierarchy were as shocked as Hillary was when Trump won. But the establishment is strong. It co-opts whoever meanders into the Venn diagram of Duopolitics. Two party systems but only one core set of powerbrokers. Either party wins, the central force is still in control. Trump wasnt part of the system, but he sure is now. Trump has not the intelligence or strength of character to resist them. Neither had Obama, he abandoned even his core African American constituency in order to make it over 8 years. They were both assimilated by the Borg....difference is Hillary was inducted decades ago.

[Niall_Quinn]

With a few added extras you'd be better off copy and pasting what I stated about the leftist belief that these people will go away and leave us alone if we retreat into our borders.

We are making enemies of ourselves no doubt by arming the Saudis. But if you go back to the 1970s the same kind of extremists said they would never forgive international intervention to prevent the slaughter of non Muslims in East Timor.

Our support for totalitarian regimes in the region I totally agree hasn't helped.

But why was a music concert targeted last night, the same way it was at the Baticlan in 2015?. It wouldn't happen to be the same reason IS kills children for listening to pop music in areas they control?.

My argument is if we can't accept it in Manchester, why do we accept it in Homs or Palmyra?

I think you missed the point. I'm not suggesting nothing should be done. I'm saying whatever we do in response to this is essentially meaningless if the causes aren't even admitted, let alone addressed. This idea that our terrorism is good and their is bad can't possibly bring about anything but more of the same, or worse. But the thought that their terrorism is bad, sure, but so is ours. That could lead to something useful. Most people can't conceive the fact we're terrorists though. Won't dawn, doesn't register, doesn't matter how high the ever growing mountain of evidence. I mean real obvious stuff like we're "liberating" Iraq because they definitely, no doubt about it, have weapons of mass destruction. If shit like that isn't obvious enough for some people then fuck me. Can't think where to go next.

[Globalgunner]

The biggest joke is allying with the Saudis to defeat extremist terror.....what a laugh. that is like launching a vegan campaign with a Rancher. Basically the Saudis are locked into a supremacy battle with the Iranians over who dominates Islam. the west has pitched its tent with the Saudis and everyone is rushing to sell them weapons to win the fight. The Russians by default have aligned with the Iranians. Everybody now becomes collateral over a stupid fight over who is supposed to inherit the prophets legacy.


The greatest irony is we have the template to peace. It is what we used to solve the Irish conflict. Probably the only decent thing Blair did in his whole life. But we cant bring ourselves to play the honest broker in this fight, instead we keep stirring the pot.

[Niall_Quinn]

The biggest joke is allying with the Saudis to defeat extremist terror.....what a laugh. that is like launching a vegan campaign with a Rancher. Basically the Saudis are locked into a supremacy battle with the Iranians over who dominates Islam. the west has pitched its tent with the Saudis and everyone is rushing to sell them weapons to win the fight. The Russians by default have aligned with the Iranians. Everybody now becomes collateral over a stupid fight over who is supposed to inherit the prophets legacy.

You have to look deeper than that though. Energy is what it's about, as always. Where do the pipelines originate, where do they run, who gets the profit. The real reason we hate Assad is because he doesn't want our pipeline running through his territory because he's already done a deal with the other guy.

But you even have to look deeper still. Why the fuck, in this day and age, are we still reliant on natural gas? Well, that's because a tiny handful of cunts have retarded the development of every alternative and abundant, renewable energy source. I don't mean ridiculously stupid wind farms that require more energy than they produce - that's just another tax scam. I mean the limitless sources of energy that could have long since been developed and made free to every person on the planet, thus transforming the world and our species.

Literally, humanity is up against this regressive minority, but because most people are so afraid, so unwilling to face the truth of things, so ready to take the easy ride, we end up with an ocean of problems and misery. Look at this crazy fucked up society we called advanced - drones shuffling backwards and forwards in pursuit of electrons to deposit in a bank computer owned storage device. Staring into their 500 quid personal idiot devices, reading the "news" presented by the very fucking same minority that has the ultimate vested interest in mass ignorance.

That's just the way it is, you'll hear them say. It is impossible for mankind to be different. And yet, without ever having tried it, what makes them so sure? The same fear that locks them into the current bullshit I guess.

There is no education. No news. No politics. No science. There's nothing except the bullshit that has replaced these things. And it's this bullshit our "leaders" will draw upon to fix all the problems caused by things they won't even admit exist. Tell me that's not insane.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think you missed the point. I'm not suggesting nothing should be done. I'm saying whatever we do in response to this is essentially meaningless if the causes aren't even admitted, let alone addressed. This idea that our terrorism is good and their is bad can't possibly bring about anything but more of the same, or worse. But the thought that their terrorism is bad, sure, but so is ours. That could lead to something useful. Most people can't conceive the fact we're terrorists though. Won't dawn, doesn't register, doesn't matter how high the ever growing mountain of evidence. I mean real obvious stuff like we're "liberating" Iraq because they definitely, no doubt about it, have weapons of mass destruction. If shit like that isn't obvious enough for some people then fuck me. Can't think where to go next.

Just as I suspected, so basically the next time a regime tries to extirpate its own we should have the choice of saying that's not very nice or more likely I suspect in the case of many pretend it's all lies used to justify "imperialism".

We went out of our way to do nothing in Syria for years, and that worked out well.

Plus all this simplistic we are terrorists blah blah blah, still makes the fundamental error of believing all our troubles will go away if we promise to be good.

Lovely lesson to teach our kids, that the right to avoid opression and slaughter only applies to you if you were lucky enough to be born somewhere like Europe or North America (though not even because to you, making people pay taxes is as much of a crime against humanity as dropping Sarin on them).

[Power n Glory]

Trump was always the better option simply because he wasnt a product of the system. The Republican hierarchy were as shocked as Hillary was when Trump won. But the establishment is strong. It co-opts whoever meanders into the Venn diagram of Duopolitics. Two party systems but only one core set of powerbrokers. Either party wins, the central force is still in control. Trump wasnt part of the system, but he sure is now. Trump has not the intelligence or strength of character to resist them. Neither had Obama, he abandoned even his core African American constituency in order to make it over 8 years. They were both assimilated by the Borg....difference is Hillary was inducted decades ago.

Trump is a product of the system. He is corporate America. He may not have come from the political system but he represents what the political system tries to uphold. I get that people were tired of the Democrats and wanted change but it's a bit like us fans cheering on Stan Kroenke to fire Wenger and having a go at managing the club himself because he represents something different.

It was obvious Trump didn't have the intelligence or strength to resist. Resist isn't even the right word. His whole 'You're Fired', no nonsense approach doesn't exactly personify a man that has a lot of empathy for regular working people. His core was always going to be for serving corporate America even if unethical.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just as I suspected, so basically the next time a regime tries to extirpate its own we should have the choice of saying that's not very nice or more likely I suspect in the case of many pretend it's all lies used to justify "imperialism".

We went out of our way to do nothing in Syria for years, and that worked out well.

Plus all this simplistic we are terrorists blah blah blah, still makes the fundamental error of believing all our troubles will go away if we promise to be good.

Lovely lesson to teach our kids, that the right to avoid opression and slaughter only applies to you if you were lucky enough to be born somewhere like Europe or North America (though not even because to you, making people pay taxes is as much of a crime against humanity as dropping Sarin on them).


As I said, some people genuinely believe there's good terror and bad terror.

[Niall_Quinn]

Trump is a product of the system. He is corporate America. He may not have come from the political system but he represents what the political system tries to uphold. I get that people were tired of the Democrats and wanted change but it's a bit like us fans cheering on Stan Kroenke to fire Wenger and having a go at managing the club himself because he represents something different.

It was obvious Trump didn't have the intelligence or strength to resist. Resist isn't even the right word. His whole 'You're Fired', no nonsense approach doesn't exactly personify a man that has a lot of empathy for regular working people. His core was always going to be for serving corporate America even if unethical.

Anything at all that disrupts the establishment is not only a good thing, but an essential first step.

Trump has already been a hugely successful president, entirely unwittingly. He's drawn the establishment out and now those who care to look can see it more clearly than ever before. That's more progress than we've had in half a century.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

As I said, some people genuinely believe there's good terror and bad terror.

As I said, some people don't think the rights they enjoy (again obviously not you seeing as far as your concerned we might as well be living in North Korea) need to be universal to have any meaning.

And some people believe if the west packed up and went home that the terrorist attacks like in Manchester would suddenly go away. I wouldn't mind but the terrorists themselves are telling us that's not the case.

[Globalgunner]

Trump is a product of the system. He is corporate America. He may not have come from the political system but he represents what the political system tries to uphold. I get that people were tired of the Democrats and wanted change but it's a bit like us fans cheering on Stan Kroenke to fire Wenger and having a go at managing the club himself because he represents something different.

It was obvious Trump didn't have the intelligence or strength to resist. Resist isn't even the right word. His whole 'You're Fired', no nonsense approach doesn't exactly personify a man that has a lot of empathy for regular working people. His core was always going to be for serving corporate America even if unethical.

That was just an act....even though trump really didnt have to act. He was just being himself You can see that in the frankly incomprehensible way he has gone about governing. You have to look at how Trump won and who he won against. Not 1 but 5 or 6 establishment characters. Republican candidates all over the nation distanced themselves from Trump and no-one wanted to be tainted by having him campaign with them he was toxic to mainstream Republicans. Trump is either the greatest Manchurian candidate of all or he was the greatest upset of all time. I believe the latter.

[Globalgunner]

As I said, some people don't think the rights they enjoy (again obviously not you seeing as far as your concerned we might as well be living in North Korea) need to be universal to have any meaning.

And some people believe if the west packed up and went home that the terrorist attacks like in Manchester would suddenly go away. I wouldn't mind but the terrorists themselves are telling us that's not the case.

You are still looking at the symptoms and calling them the problem. It goes far far farther in time than that.

I also believe you think that you are living in some social utopia, where mankind has reached peak democracy. There are other countries where people are living happily and some of them dont even get to vote. People living in South America and Africa who dont have internet, dont have cars and dont pay taxes, live off the land and dont read papers. You may think you are happier than them but are you sure?

[GP]

Roger Moore is dead.

[Globalgunner]

Wow. Im really sad to hear that. I was a big fan, From the Saint to the Persuaders to Bond.

Most good looking man I ever saw

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think he's attempting re entry sir

[Power n Glory]

Anything at all that disrupts the establishment is not only a good thing, but an essential first step.

Trump has already been a hugely successful president, entirely unwittingly. He's drawn the establishment out and now those who care to look can see it more clearly than ever before. That's more progress than we've had in half a century.

I don’t know if it’s progress. HCZ made the point about us trying to avoid action in Syria and it reminds me of when Trump was saying he’d bomb the shit out of ISIS to a cheering crowd. The way things are going I think people are stoked for another war or military action at least. It’s just a new player in the same old game. Trump getting close to the Saudi’s and tearing up any progress made with Iran is just a case of hitting the reset button.

And if we’re looking into the oil link, you should be looking at Rex Tillerson. Hasn’t Exxon profited off the Iraq war? Aren’t they about to sign a deal with the Saudi’s?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/exxon-and-others-sign-over-50-billion-in-saudi-deals-on-sidelines-of-trumps-trip/article/2623711

I don’t think the establishment has been drawn out if you’re not looking into this sort of thing. People were already aware of shady dealings but it worries me that people are openly championing this.

[Niall_Quinn]

Roger Moore is dead.

He must have been in his 90s surely? Seems like he had a good go of it. Not many get to be James Bond.

[Niall_Quinn]

As I said, some people don't think the rights they enjoy (again obviously not you seeing as far as your concerned we might as well be living in North Korea) need to be universal to have any meaning.

And some people believe if the west packed up and went home that the terrorist attacks like in Manchester would suddenly go away. I wouldn't mind but the terrorists themselves are telling us that's not the case.

I have literally zero idea how you have managed to characterise my argument that way. It seems that if anything drifts outside the good west/ bad east paradigm you feel the needs to reach for polarising superlatives.

[Letters]

He must have been in his 90s surely? Seems like he had a good go of it. Not many get to be James Bond.

89, apparently.

:rose:

[Niall_Quinn]

As a kid I was blown away by Moonraker. Space shuttles, secret agents, Jaws, tits, ass - what's not to love? In reality, such a silly film. But in that time and place, a classic. A corny treat I still enjoy occasionally. He was a terrible actor, one of the worst. But that was the charm.

[Letters]

The greatest irony is we have the template to peace.
:gp:

Jebus :bow:



:ninja:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I have literally zero idea how you have managed to characterise my argument that way. It seems that if anything drifts outside the good west/ bad east paradigm you feel the needs to reach for polarising superlatives.

No I just think it's overly simplistic to see total equivalence, the kind of whataboutery used by men like George Galloway who slobber and fawn over men like Saddam and Assad, and supporter of military dictatorships in places like Pakistan because he thinks democracy is too sophisticated for such a simple people.

You don't have to support Iran-Contra, Saudi Arms dealing, the overt Israeli influence on western foreign policy and anything in relation to the morally dubious realpolitik of actual war criminals like Henry Kissinger in order not to think all western military intervention is an equal and opposite act of terrorism.

Equally you don't have to support the shameless profiteering of the military industrial complex and oil companies to think that countries like Syria and Iraq and its people are better off without their Baathist dictators.

The biggest crime in Iraq is that people who fled the regime or who were still there begged the Americans to help during the 80s and even after we had extricated Saddam from Kuwait, but it ignored their pleas and left them to be tortured and murdered. So if anything it's the non intervention, the deal making with supposed friendly dictators (as if there's any such thing) that I hold the west in contempt for.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

As a kid I was blown away by Moonraker. Space shuttles, secret agents, Jaws, tits, ass - what's not to love? In reality, such a silly film. But in that time and place, a classic. A corny treat I still enjoy occasionally. He was a terrible actor, one of the worst. But that was the charm.

It's charm is its absolute absurdity. Most of Roger Moores films bordered on self parody, and I loved them for it.

[Niall_Quinn]

No I just think it's overly simplistic to see total equivalence, the kind of whataboutery used by men like George Galloway who slobber and fawn over men like Saddam and Assad, and supporter of military dictatorships in places like Pakistan because he thinks democracy is too sophisticated for such a simple people.

You don't have to support Iran-Contra, Saudi Arms dealing, the overt Israeli influence on western foreign policy and anything in relation to the morally dubious realpolitik of actual war criminals like Henry Kissinger in order not to think all western military intervention is an equal and opposite act of terrorism.

Equally you don't have to support the shameless profiteering of the military industrial complex and oil companies to think that countries like Syria and Iraq and its people are better off without their Baathist dictators.

The biggest crime in Iraq is that people who fled the regime or who were still there begged the Americans to help during the 80s and even after we had extricated Saddam from Kuwait, but it ignored their pleas and left them to be tortured and murdered. So if anything it's the non intervention, the deal making with supposed friendly dictators (as if there's any such thing) that I hold the west in contempt for.

That's nowhere near the biggest crime, but it's a crime and and an incomprehensible inhumanity nonetheless.

I don't disagree with virtually everything you said there. But that's not my point. I'm not interested in equivalence and I place no stock whatsoever in the absolute cunts who strut about the world stage. I don't care what their name is nor what their politics happens to be, I see right through them. Not because I'm gifted in some way, but because I'm not a fucking moron and I don't find any value in lying to myself.

What I'm saying is, this whole new bout of Islamic extremism is Made in America. Because it is. There's a history there to be traced. Reality to be acknowledged. The Cold War was not "won". It was converted.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's charm is its absolute absurdity. Most of Roger Moores films bordered on self parody, and I loved them for it.

I might watch it tonight.

[Niall_Quinn]

ISIS (whoever they are) claims responsibility for the Manchester attacks. Whatever that means. Without any access to what's going on behind the scenes, we play in the dark.

[Niall_Quinn]

YouTube put a little black ribbon next to their logo. Despite pushing every crazy leftist conspiracy theory and censoring to their heart'c content. Keep your crocodile tears. Cunts.

[Niall_Quinn]

Infowars in their element. What would they do without all these innocent people being blown up. I mean, what the fuck would they have to talk about?

Left, right? It's despicable.

Not one fucking channel has come out today and asked, what the fuck is happening here? They all have their stock material, ready to go.

There is NO news today. None at all.

[Niall_Quinn]

Some sort of shit going down in the Philippines too.

[Letters]

They will always take "credit" for these things. Whether it really was them behind it or they're just being opportunistic, difficult to tell.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUD4Td9hjKw

Cuckoo!

Cuckoo!

Cuckoo!

Wakey, wakey!

Sharia courts? What about our 2 tier legal system - YOU'RE NOT WELCOME!

Marry a 6 year old? How about establishment paedophilia? YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE!

Beat your wife? What fucking wife? You mean these "independent" fucking feminists who haven't got a fucking clue what nurture means? YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE!

Do you believe in punishment for leaving the faith of Consumerism? YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE!

Blasphemy? Do you believe in speaking out against the religious zealotry of politics and money? YOU'RE NOT WELCOME HERE!

FUCK RIGHT OFF.

Western "civilisation" has just as many wart as any fucked up, backwards, extremist form of religion. Hell, we make profit centres off our young, old and sick. Name a religion worse than ours.

Does this make the backward extremism of Islamic fundamentalists okay> Nope.

Does it make us right, or morally superior?

Apparently so.

veryfuckedupworld.com

Run by fucking morons. Imagined by fucking morons. Worshipped by fucking morons.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I might watch it tonight.

You should watch Octopussy as well whilst you're about it.

[Globalgunner]

His Bond was outrageous. No not the gritty Bond of Daniel Craig but one who would do his best to avoid fisticuffs wherever possible. In Man with the Golden Gun in a martial dojo kicking the head off a combatant instead of fighting and getting a pair of teenage girls to beat up the baddies instead. His fights with Jaws (Richard Kiel) were ridiculous.

One of these days i will be able to afford a white Lotus Esprit, just for the nostalgia of it.

[Letters]

Happy Birthday Letters!

Letters :bow:



:tumbleweed:

Meh <_<

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Reminds me of the last episode of the Young Ones where Neil comes in with a cake saying surprise and Mike enquiries why and Neil tells him it's his birthday and Mike responds "you knew that anyway and we don't care....so where's the surprise".

I refer you to the above when you announced your birthday last year

[Letters]

:(

Edit: No-one liked Mike anyway :sulk:

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2017/05/24/katie-hopkins-threat-level-raised-from-public-irritant-to-toxic-shit-fountain/

:lol:

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40047777

Sheesh. Was EVERYONE on TB in the 70s and 80s a nonce? They'll be arresting Bungle next. :(

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40047777

Sheesh. Was EVERYONE on TB in the 70s and 80s a nonce? They'll be arresting Bungle next. :(

How is it you only know about this now??

[Niall_Quinn]

How is it you only know about this now??

Because Bungle's had a lawyer issuing restraining orders like confetti since the 70s. Same bloke Zippy uses.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Because Bungle's had a lawyer issuing restraining orders like confetti since the 70s. Same bloke Zippy uses.

Open secret though, I used to see him, bungle and George bring young boys onboard the Morning Cloud (Ted Heaths yacht)

George curiously lost his shy nervous personna, used to get quite aggressive in fact. Obviously didn't like being judged

All those kids were murdered I imagine.

[Globalgunner]

At last somebody realising that doing the same shit over and over again with predictable results makes no sense
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/26/jeremy-corbyn-the-war-on-terror-is-simply-not-working.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

At last somebody realising that doing the same shit over and over again with predictable results makes no sense
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/26/jeremy-corbyn-the-war-on-terror-is-simply-not-working.

Ironic considering he represents a group of people who have been doing the same thing over and over again for years. Since 1945 have contributed to in fighting in the Labour Party and then when the party loses to the Tories claims it's because it's not left wing enough.

Anyway he's right, we should say sorry to the Muslims girls in Afghanistan who are now allowed to go to school, to the Kurds for extricating a man from power who sought to commit genocide against them.
And we should definitely say we are sorry to the Bosnian and Kosovan Muslims we eventually stepped in to save from being massacred by the Serbs.

Fuck me the west often are short sighted and think of material gain before long term peaceful solutions, but to be lectured by a man who gave his support to Iraqi insurgents (jihadists and Baathist loyalists not ordinary Iraqi civillians) and whose campaign is being run by a man who thinks Assad should be left in power to terrorise his people because it would be imperialist to remove him.....no fuck him he's got no right to lecture anyone.

[Globalgunner]

He has every right and why should it matter anyway. Did you read the message. ?
Our existence has to have a purpose and one of them should be not to be making the same mistakes our fathers and grandfathers make. If your children and grandchildren still have to cower under threat of terroism it means YOU have lived an empty life. Our mandate is to fix what is broken not scatter the pieces to extreme corners

Your point of doing the right thing when needed is accepted. The interventions in Kosovo and others have been proven to have positives but do not prescribe a template for all future crises. Why no intervention in Zimbabwe where a mad despot has ruined his nation over 40 years. Do we not care about black people

Gaddafi and Saddam were awful people but removing them has only made the problem worse....Or do you not agree?

[Niall_Quinn]

You're not allowed to mention the causes of terrorism. You are obliged to focus entirely on the symptoms. That way, more guns, jets, bombs and all the other paraphernalia of war and oppression can be sold with a clean conscience. It takes guts to say what Corbyn is saying. He knows well he's going to get ripped to pieces by the war profiteers and their dancing puppet politicians and media whores.

Terrorism, like drugs and slavery, is a huge profit centre. However, it still hasn't come close to generating the returns seen during the height of the Cold War. Al'Qaida (remember them?) and ISIS are strong brands, for sure, but they still have a very small market share compared to the Russians. The Reds Under the Bed campaign could well lead to the best of both worlds, strong financial performance in the terrorism sector plus a resurgence in Cold War earnings. Happy days.

[WMUG]

:patrice:

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40083025

John Noakes :rose:

Ramsey :doh:

[Globalgunner]

Tiger Woods arrested on drink drive charges

Worramuppet!

Just call a cab you berk!

The new OJ Simpson

[Letters]

Yes. OJ Simpson tried for murder, acquitted (amazingly, let's face it he was guilty as) and then convicted and jailed for armed robbery and kidnap.
Tiger Woods - had a lot of affairs and arrested on drink drive charges.

It's more or less the same.

[Niall_Quinn]

How do you know Woods hasn't murdered anyone? Do you have proof?

[GP]

Yes. OJ Simpson tried for murder, acquitted (amazingly, let's face it he was guilty as) and then convicted and jailed for armed robbery and kidnap.
Tiger Woods - had a lot of affairs and arrested on drink drive charges.

It's more or less the same.

Both black though, so...

[Niall_Quinn]

Both black though, so...

Where there's smoke there's fire.

[Globalgunner]

Yes. OJ Simpson tried for murder, acquitted (amazingly, let's face it he was guilty as) and then convicted and jailed for armed robbery and kidnap.
Tiger Woods - had a lot of affairs and arrested on drink drive charges.

It's more or less the same.

No, what it is, is a slippery slope

[Letters]

Is it? I mean, Adams has been in jail for drink driving and, as far as I know, hasn't gone on to commit armed robbery or murder.
NQ's right though, I have no proof of that. But Adams is white so it's pretty unlikely.

[Globalgunner]

Apparently not even drunk. just incapacitated by some drugs (medication). Still...get yourself a driver....you can afford it.

[Letters]

"medication". Bit fishy...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/40103968

One of the only perks I can see of getting older

I know I often give Letters stick about Christianity, but one thing it does do for people is give you a passport to be bigoted

That I don't really care about gays one way or the other is a side issue, being unpleasant to other people with impunity is a privilege of seniority

[LDG]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/40103968

One of the only perks I can see of getting older

I know I often give Letters stick about Christianity, but one thing it does do for people is give you a passport to be bigoted

That I don't really care about gays one way or the other is a side issue, being unpleasant to other people with impunity is a privilege of seniority

She probably liked a bit of beef curtain batter herself.

[Letters]

I saw someone post something on FB the other day, an article which used the phrase "sodomite agenda". :lol:
I'm not sure what that is, I guess it's something like:

1) Minutes from last meeting
2) Bumming
3) AOB.

[Marc Overmars]

June already. :blink:

Getting married this month. :sick:

[Letters]

I would come but I'll be at GP's brother's wedding.

[LDG]

June already. :blink:

Getting married this month. :sick:

:ilt:

[Nozza!]

June already. :blink:

Getting married this month. :sick:

Oi, numbnuts, for a monkey I can get you a really good Montenegrin passport, unfortunately the plastic surgeon I use won't be around for 7 years, but I have a warehouse full of horse hair irishes, I'd throw one in with the passport...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

She probably liked a bit of beef curtain batter herself.

oh definitely

[Xhaka Can’t]

He's been buying stolen meat Jacob.

Stolen meat!

[Marc Overmars]

Incident at London Bridge.

A van hit several pedestrians and also reports of a knife attack.

FFS.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

A horrible, horrible world.

[Marc Overmars]

Incidents around Borough Market now as well.

[GP]

An incident in Vauxhall now

[McNamara That Ghost...]

:(

Watching this unfold on live tv, I don't even know what to say.

[Marc Overmars]

Fucking scum.

Sad how this has been normalised too. What a shitty world we live in.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Fatalities say BBC News. :(

[Marc Overmars]

What can be done about this?

It's ridiculous. These perpetrators need to fuck off and die, literally.

[Thierrymon]

Really sad news, hopefully it is not as serious as it seems. We have been sheltered from all of this to an extent over here. Feels like only a matter of time before there is an attack here though.

[Marc Overmars]

6 dead.

:(

[McNamara That Ghost...]

It has become such a routine sadly.

Attack happens.
'We strongly condemn this', 'we stand shoulder to shoulder [insert country here'.
Increased police/military force over a few days.
Reduces back to how it was.
Another attack happens again.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

6 dead.

:(

And a lot severely injured the way BBC are reporting it.

[Marc Overmars]

Well done to the police who shot the cunts responsible dead pretty swiftly.

[Letters]

I'm SAFE.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well done to the police who shot the cunts responsible dead pretty swiftly.

Saved many innocent lives

I'll leave the eye for a eye sense of justice to those butchering maniacs

But unquestionably the sooner they were dead the better in terms of preventing further carnage

[Marc Overmars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBggIRoXYAAj_BQ.jpg

Of all the things to draw attention to?

Wankers.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Hardly like he stabbing people whilst singing

"Wem-berley Wem-berley, oh we are the famous Arsenal and we've been to Wemb-erley"

[Letters]

I actually saw Spurs on FB post something about solidarity between Arsenal and Spurs in the light of this because of this thing about one of them wearing an Arsenal shirt.
Pretty silly thing to pick up on. I doubt he was a 'Wengerite' trying to kill members of the WOB.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

WENGERU AKBAR!!!!!

[Letters]

:haha:

I'm sure there will be 40 top four finishes for them waiting in paradise.

[LDG]

In light of the London attack, Trump tweets:

"Do you notice we're not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck"

Dumbass thing to say in the first place...

Then...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40162989

[GP]

He really is a stupid fucking cunt.

[Letters]

Peter Sallis :rose:


That's this year's Bowie :(

[Niall_Quinn]

Arsenal Jihadi Shirt Update.

Daily Mail asks,


"Why was he free to kill? Arsenal supporting jihadist WAS known to MI5 admit police as they name him and a Moroccan-Libyan pastry chef with a British wife as two of the three London Bridge attackers."


"He said of the Arsenal supporting Jihadi, who he knew as ‘Abs’, said: ‘It was around 3pm (on Saturday) and I was in the process of moving so was loading stuff into a van.

‘He came over‎ and seemed quite excitable. He was wearing his Arsenal shirt and was asking about the van.

‘He was asking where I got the van from and how much it cost. He said he was planning to move too and that’s why he wanted to know, I didn’t think anything of it."


If only he'd asked about the shirt.

When was it bought? Where was it bought? How much money changed hands? Who sold the shirt? What, if any, are the ties between the shirt seller and the terrorist? Is there a name on the back of the shirt? If so, what name? Have police followed up this link?

[Letters]

IMO the fact he's helping fund the Arsenal board is worse than the ISIS stuff :sulk:

It could be that this was nothing to do with ISIS or Islam of course. The WOB may now have a para-military wing and this was just the first attack in their campaign to get Wenger removed.

[GP]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-40188353?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_england&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=english_regions

2017 is now officially worse than 2016

[GP]

Batman :rose:

[Letters]

Holy Celebrity Deaths! :(

[WMUG]

Is this what happens when Ramsey scores to win a cup vs a run-of-the-mill goal in the League?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Somedays you just can't get rid of a bomb

RIP Adam We

[Niall_Quinn]

st

[GP]

Nobody messes with Adam We

[Xhaka Can’t]

Not even Chuck No

[Letters]

I'm Batm

[GP]

Awful scenes at Grenfell tower.

[Letters]

Innit. 5 dead last I heard but they might find more. :(

[Letters]

Also, in Dubai at the moment. It's 46 degrees today :lol:

[The Wengerbabies]

Awful scenes at Grenfell tower.

ikr I heard it was likely to collapse, so I've been watching the news waiting to see it for a couple of hours, getting impatient now.

[The Wengerbabies]

Well done to the police who shot the cunts responsible dead pretty swiftly.

Yep.

But so many of you faggots voted for Corbyn who would refuse to give a shoot to kill order in these situations.

Of course it doesn't help that the mayor believes this is all 'part and parcel' of living in a big city and the fact that 7 dead and 49 injured is 'no reason to be alarmed'.

All part of his taqqiya.

[The Wengerbabies]

In light of the London attack, Trump tweets:

"Do you notice we're not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck"

Dumbass thing to say in the first place...

Then...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40162989

He is right though.

Here's a thought, we had to wait 8 minutes for the armed police to shoot these spreaders of the religion of peace, what if law abiding citizens, with sufficient background checks and training, had been allowed to arm themselves? These goat fuckers would have been shot far quicker and the death toll reduced.

That story you posted occurred in a gun free zone, like most of the mass shootings in the US.

[GP]

Ohh, I thought you were serious for a minute.

[Niall_Quinn]

He is right though.

Here's a thought, we had to wait 8 minutes for the armed police to shoot these spreaders of the religion of peace, what if law abiding citizens, with sufficient background checks and training, had been allowed to arm themselves? These goat fuckers would have been shot far quicker and the death toll reduced.

That story you posted occurred in a gun free zone, like most of the mass shootings in the US.

Citizens can't be trusted with guns. They might start wars and run off shooting up foreign nations. Or they might sell their guns to unsavoury characters abroad. This is why we rely on government to manage guns sensibly. I blame the criminals for not being law abiding. Selfish gits.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I trust you implicitly with a firearm and a bottle of scotch

[Letters]

Why the hell would anyone want a gun? :blink:

[GP]

Why the hell would anyone want a gun? :blink:

To shoot terrorists, obviously.

(though we can't talk about the fact that if guns were readily available the terrorists would have had them too shshhhh)

[Niall_Quinn]

I trust you implicitly with a firearm and a bottle of scotch

I wouldn't want a gun, although I used plenty when I was younger and nobody got hurt. I resent being lectured to by assholes who use violence, and particularly gun violence, against civilian populations with alarming regularity. Listening to the prominent, programmed trendies go on about gun control while they endorse governments that are obscenely violent is hard to take.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why the hell would anyone want a gun? :blink:

We used to shoot rabbits, foxes, clay pigeons and targets. It was fun, we did it on private property and nobody was hurt. Seems to me it was nobody else's damn business but apparently not.

[Niall_Quinn]

To shoot terrorists, obviously.

(though we can't talk about the fact that if guns were readily available the terrorists would have had them too shshhhh)

The terrorists do have guns. Millions of them. Hell, we leave them lying around in huge batches, we drop them out of helicopters along with pallets of cash so they can buy whatever nasty shit they fancy. We're always up for selling guns to terrorists. It's a trillion dollar industry.

[The Wengerbabies]

Why the hell would anyone want a gun? :blink:

The best security of a free state is the right of the people to keep and bear arms.


To shoot terrorists, obviously.

(though we can't talk about the fact that if guns were readily available the terrorists would have had them too shshhhh)

Background checks. These snackbars were known to the police/MI5 they would never have got them. Besides if you know everyone else is carrying you wouldn't try it. This would never happen in an open carry state like AZ where everyone is visibly armed.

[Letters]

We used to shoot rabbits, foxes, clay pigeons and targets. It was fun, we did it on private property and nobody was hurt. Seems to me it was nobody else's damn business but apparently not.

You think shooting rabbits and foxes is "fun"? Ok...
I'd say the percentage of people who would want to do that is very low and actually you can still do some of those things if you really want.
People have no need to be carrying around guns in cities.

[The Wengerbabies]

https://pics.me.me/when-you-live-in-england-and-your-friend-asks-you-22666532.png

[Niall_Quinn]

You think shooting rabbits and foxes is "fun"? Ok...
I'd say the percentage of people who would want to do that is very low and actually you can still do some of those things if you really want.
People have no need to be carrying around guns in cities.

Erm, yeah. The foxes are a pest (we were on a farm), the rabbits breed like... rabbits, and they make good stew. So practical and fun. Sure.

[Letters]

I'll buy practical. Slightly troubled that you think killing animals is "fun".

[GP]

https://pics.me.me/when-you-live-in-england-and-your-friend-asks-you-22666532.png

Hilarious racism bro.

[Letters]

I saw a racist friend on FB (have since unfriended him) blathering about "ban the Burqa" and one of his equally racist friends said "imagine all the bombs you could have under there!"
:lol:
Yeah, most terrorist attacks are carried out by people in burkas.
:doh:

Racism :bow:

[Letters]

This is timely!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40275055

[Xhaka Can’t]

The best security of a free state is the right of the people to keep and bear arms.



Background checks. These snackbars were known to the police/MI5 they would never have got them. Besides if you know everyone else is carrying you wouldn't try it. This would never happen in an open carry state like AZ where everyone is visibly armed.

Stupid point is stupid.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/03/06/maricopa-countys-spike-homicides-2016-phoenix-glendale-serial-streete-shooter/98539530/

[Letters]

You can prove anything with facts :sulk:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Got an email to fill out security questions for a self service password reset

One of the questions was the name of your first kiss

If they think I'm implicating Uncle Roy that easily, they are wrong

[Niall_Quinn]

I'll buy practical. Slightly troubled that you think killing animals is "fun".

The guns were the fun part. Killing pests has been part of agriculture for millennia with methods ranging from shooting (humane) through trapping and poisoning (inhumane). People who have never been around guns view them in the way they are portrayed in Hollywood I suppose. Camo clowns in battle dress with assault rifles, or smooth double agents who fire 99 rounds from a 30 round clip, one-handed, while rubbing off the sexy Russian agent with the other. Guns that are used as a tool, as they should be, are like boots. Grab them and use them. Clean them and put them back at the end of the day. No hysteria, no fear, just utility.

[Niall_Quinn]

Got an email to fill out security questions for a self service password reset

One of the questions was the name of your first kiss

If they think I'm implicating Uncle Roy that easily, they are wrong

Just type "still waiting" like last time.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But then how much of a tool a gun is depends on where you live, if you do need it for pest control (I prefer seeing a Fox shot than torn to pieces by dogs) than fair enough. But in an urban area where you have it under the guise of protection and you're more likely to end up Burying one of your children where they've been accidentally shot by one of their siblings because you haven't locked it away properly than sucessfully warding off a Burgalar or attacker I am more skeptical.

[Niall_Quinn]

Once government manages to disarm you then there's no going back. The mindset changes from independence to dependence and the illusion of government protection becomes deep rooted. So true enough - the thought of shrinking, ultra-dependent British citizens waving guns around is as unthinkable as it seems unnecessary. Americans haven't been disarmed though, so those who aren't desperate for the nanny state will have a very different attitude towards guns, and government in general I would think.

[Xhaka Can’t]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBk

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No these same ones are the people who say get your government hands off my Medicaid.

So most wouldn't know what the state is and how dependent they are on it if it squeezed them in the nuts

The reason the South is all republican now has absolutely nothing to do with its resentment towards government. Because it voted for decades for big government Democrats, who allowed them to tell women what they could and couldn't do with their bodies and hang blacks and queers from trees.
Soon as the Democrats stopped approving of that stuff as they ventured further north, the Republicans stepped in.

[Niall_Quinn]

I didn't mention the south. I said all those who didn't welcome the nanny state. Very true, increasing numbers have been afflicted, form all sides of the supposed political spectrum. But that doesn't mean those who can still tell the difference between dependence and independence won't continue to understand why it is necessary to have the option of owning a gun.

[Niall_Quinn]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBk

He carefully avoided the one issue that matters most. It's better to be armed than unarmed should you ever need to overthrow your government. The Constitution, albeit written by slave owners, was a serious document back then. They meant it when they wrote in the right of the citizen to overthrow the government if and when it failed to serve the people. Whether gun ownership in the States has tempered the abuses of government and, if so, to what extent, we can't know. Better never to find out.

The self protection thing, in most cases true. in some cases, untrue. Rolling suicide rates into the argument is idiotic. Paracetamol should be a strictly controlled substance under that argument.

[Niall_Quinn]

This one's better:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9UFyNy-rw4

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I didn't mention the south. I said all those who didn't welcome the nanny state. Very true, increasing numbers have been afflicted, form all sides of the supposed political spectrum. But that doesn't mean those who can still tell the difference between dependence and independence won't continue to understand why it is necessary to have the option of owning a gun.

Not saying you did mention the south I'm just saying that the majority of gun owners come from the south and the mid west. I wouldn't call the majority of these people libertarians, in fact many are all for big government as long as they still can discriminate against people for religious reasons and keep said guns.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Tim Farron gone. Apparently can't reconcile his hatred for queers with his role as a leader of a liberal party

[Niall_Quinn]

Tim Farron gone. Apparently can't reconcile his hatred for queers with his role as a leader of a liberal party

Not a dead Tory, but okay for a light snack.

[The Wengerbabies]

This is timely!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40275055

Indeed it is

"There are several things to look at," Congressman Loudermilk said. "First of all, if this had happened in Georgia, he wouldn't have gotten too far. I had a staff member who was in his car, maybe 20 yards behind the shooter... who back in Georgia carries a nine millimeter in his car. I carry a weapon. He had a clear shot at him. But here, we're not allowed to carry any weapons here... Most of us are here in D.C., so how are you supposed to have it here?"

Gun free zones strike again.

[The Wengerbabies]

But then how much of a tool a gun is depends on where you live, if you do need it for pest control (I prefer seeing a Fox shot than torn to pieces by dogs) than fair enough. But in an urban area where you have it under the guise of protection and you're more likely to end up Burying one of your children where they've been accidentally shot by one of their siblings because you haven't locked it away properly than sucessfully warding off a Burgalar or attacker I am more skeptical.

What about radical islamic terrorists, are they not pests?

[Xhaka Can’t]

What about radical islamic terrorists, are they not pests?

They should be made to listen to your iPod playlist.

[Niall_Quinn]

They should be made to listen to your iPod playlist.

iPods are to technology what iPhones will be in 5 years.

Expensive.

[The Wengerbabies]

Just realised there are now 2 Niall Quinns, I;m confused. Who's the original and who was the other one before?

[Letters]

No-one knows any more, that has all been lost in the mists of time...

[Letters]

Indeed it is

"There are several things to look at," Congressman Loudermilk said. "First of all, if this had happened in Georgia, he wouldn't have gotten too far. I had a staff member who was in his car, maybe 20 yards behind the shooter... who back in Georgia carries a nine millimeter in his car. I carry a weapon. He had a clear shot at him. But here, we're not allowed to carry any weapons here... Most of us are here in D.C., so how are you supposed to have it here?"

Gun free zones strike again.

Ignored Gary's link I see :good:

[Letters]

Tim Farron gone. Apparently can't reconcile his hatred for queers with his role as a leader of a liberal party
Behave :rolleyes:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Behave :rolleyes:

Oh don't be a snowflake. I didn't say all Christians hate gays. Many clearly don't take the bible literally

[Letters]

I do take it literally, by loving them. :cool:

Not like that though, that's DISGUSTING! :sulk:

[The Wengerbabies]

Tim Farron gone. Apparently can't reconcile his hatred for queers with his role as a leader of a liberal party
Strange isn't. Christians are hounded for their beliefs, yet if Sadick Khan was asked any of that shit it'd be 'islamaphobic'.

Ignored Gary's link I see :good:
No idea who Gary is

[Letters]

He's one of the NQs

[GP]

I do take it literally, by loving them. :cool:

Not like that though, that's DISGUSTING! :sulk:

I'll see you in HELL! :angry:

From Heaven :)

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Strange isn't. Christians are hounded for their beliefs, yet if Sadick Khan was asked any of that shit it'd be 'islamaphobic'.

No idea who Gary is

No it wouldn't. Calling him a fifth columnist terrorist infiltrator because he's a Muslim is Islamaphobic. Asking him questions about the unpleasant things in the Qu'aran is certainly not.

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2017/06/15/more-guns-answers-nra-without-waiting-for-a-question/

Thought they might say that...

[LDG]

"What We Know So Far"

Fucking BBC shitfest.

Where the hell do you go for "news" these days. It's like a womens mag that website.

[GP]

Daily Mail.

[Marc Overmars]

Met Jack Whitehall in Ibiza this week. Have to say one of the most down to earth and funniest cunts I've ever had the pleasure of meeting.

[Xhaka Can’t]

That's funny because he said you were a bit of a cunt.

[Marc Overmars]

Harsh but fair.

[Niall_Quinn]

'Killer' heatwave alert: Hospitals and emergency services on standby as Met Office warns people 'stay indoors' between 11am and 3pm as temperatures will soar to 93F

A 'wedge' of hot air from France could blow over to the Somerset site on Thursday. The 900-acre festival site will host 200,000 during the event, from Wednesday to Sunday. Meanwhile, today is set to be the warmest June 18 since records began 167 years ago; the present record is 89.9F (32.2C), set in 1893 in Ochtertyre, Perth and Kinross, Scotland. The nation basked in the hottest day of the year so far yesterday, with temperatures expected to soar as the heatwave continues into next week. And Thursday is set to be the third warmest June date on record, reaching 93.2F (34C), according to the Met Office.


I recall a time when we weren't afraid of hot weather. We weren't even afraid of cold weather. We must have been fucking crazy back then.

[Marc Overmars]

Without air con, this weather is sickening to try and get to sleep in.

[Letters]

Were NQ or WengerBabies anywhere near Finsbury Park last night?

[Marc Overmars]

It was only a matter of time before some nutter took matters into their own hands. Well done mate, you've stopped ISIS now!

This country. :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

White van? LOL. Cartoon news. Not paying much attention to it. Expect the next terrorist to shout, "No, you!", before he throws a big bomb with the word "BOMB" painted on it.

[Letters]

Without air con, this weather is sickening to try and get to sleep in.

Innit. Although it was far, far hotter in Dubai and really you couldn't go outside for any length of time, because of the ridiculous climate the whole place is set up for it and there's air-con everywhere so in some ways it's much nicer to be there than here.

[Power n Glory]

It was only a matter of time before some nutter took matters into their own hands. Well done mate, you've stopped ISIS now!

This country. :lol:

Just furthers the case for more internet surveillance and policing. We get any more of this shit and watch where the argument leads to.

[Letters]

I don't really have a problem with surveillance. For a start there isn't someone sitting there reading my emails, there's just an algorithm looking for patterns, and if there was then frankly they'd be pretty bored.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't really have a problem with surveillance. For a start there isn't someone sitting there reading my emails, there's just an algorithm looking for patterns, and if there was then frankly they'd be pretty bored.

I'm not joking when I say, YOU are the sort of person that poses the greatest risk of all. Terrorists are few in number. Terrifyingly, there are millions like you. You have no concept of cause, you are consumed by effect. Therefore, it is the simplest matter to manipulate you. In fact I might do that over the next few days for a laugh, and bear in mind I told you in advance.

[Niall_Quinn]

Just furthers the case for more internet surveillance and policing. We get any more of this shit and watch where the argument leads to.

I blame those arseholes that allowed the bible to be translated from Latin. That was the thin end.

[Letters]

I'm not joking when I say, YOU are the sort of person that poses the greatest risk of all. Terrorists are few in number. Terrifyingly, there are millions like you. You have no concept of cause, you are consumed by effect. Therefore, it is the simplest matter to manipulate you. In fact I might do that over the next few days for a laugh, and bear in mind I told you in advance.

OK, Derren Brown.

[Niall_Quinn]

OK, Derren Brown.

Anyone who states they don't mind surveillance, and then demonstrates an understanding that everything is surveilled by referencing the automated nature of the surveillance, is a moron and a slave. That's not an opinion, it's a fundamental fact. And the coy bastards who claim they have nothing to hide and therefore nothing to fear, well at least be honest. What you are actually saying is you have nothing you wish to keep private. Fine, if you are so meaningless, complement and subservient you couldn't care less about your own person, fine. But then you go and vote for cunts who enforce the same abuses on people who are able to think for themselves. This is an act of terrorism in itself. And the supreme melding of arrogance and cowardice.

It's time to split this nation in two. One half for normal people, the other for the drones. That would solve so many problems and everyone would be relatively happier.

[Letters]

Come on. Everyone knows if you want to pass off an option as fact you have to write "fact" at the end in capitals. FACT!

[Niall_Quinn]

Come on. Everyone knows if you want to pass off an option as fact you have to write "fact" at the end in capitals. FACT!

Who told you that? Because, sure as hell, you didn't figure it out on your own. You have no problem with relinquishing your privacy, and everyone else's, to unknown third parties. Therefore, you are a moron. If you can find any fault in the statement then explain.

[GP]

I don't really have a problem with surveillance. For a start there isn't someone sitting there reading my emails, there's just an algorithm looking for patterns, and if there was then frankly they'd be pretty bored.

You know I'm not a tinfoil hat mentalist like NQ but that's a really dangerous and worrying attitude.

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. bollocks. We should all have a reasonable right to privacy.

FACT.

[Letters]

You know I'm not a tinfoil hat mentalist like NQ but that's a really dangerous and worrying attitude.

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. bollocks. We should all have a reasonable right to privacy.

FACT.

Dammit! You did the FACT thing which means there's no way to argue :(.
It's a difficult balance. We do have a right to privacy but we want to be kept safe too. If there is no evidence that surveillance works then they shouldn't do it.
Overall I want my privacy but I don't massively care about things like CCTV. I don't think anyone is sat there watching me, if they do then what for? How does it affect me?
It demonstrably helps solve crimes though and statistically has some (although not large) effect on crime prevention

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/4060443/Seven-of-ten-murders-solved-by-CCTV.html

[Power n Glory]

I don't really have a problem with surveillance. For a start there isn't someone sitting there reading my emails, there's just an algorithm looking for patterns, and if there was then frankly they'd be pretty bored.

That’s a dangerous attitude. I can understand the argument for it being used to fight terrorism under these circumstances but it’s a slippery slope. Imagine if being a Christian could land you in trouble with the law? Say the government want to keep an eye on people that believe marriage should only be between a man and woman? Say speaking out against the government could land you in jail? That’s where we’re headed and with social media playing a huge part in politics these days, it won’t be hard to find people that have liked certain posts or retweeted certain things in support.

[Letters]

See. I don't agree it's where we're headed or it's a slippery slope. If it is where we're headed then you're right, I just don't think it is.

[Niall_Quinn]

Dammit! You did the FACT thing which means there's no way to argue :(.
It's a difficult balance. We do have a right to privacy but we want to be kept safe too. If there is no evidence that surveillance works then they shouldn't do it.
Overall I want my privacy but I don't massively care about things like CCTV. I don't think anyone is sat there watching me, if they do then what for? How does it affect me?
It demonstrably helps solve crimes though and statistically has some (although not large) effect on crime prevention

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/4060443/Seven-of-ten-murders-solved-by-CCTV.html

How about a compulsory DNA database? Let's get one of those too, to go along with all the cameras and tech surveillance systems. And let's lock down the Internet and force identity checks on everyone trying to use it. Let's arbitrarily decide what's acceptable in terms of content and ban the rest.

There's so much we can be doing to keep you safe. I'm sure the Chinese government is keen on keeping people safe too. So unfair when they are labelled as authoritarian, commie scumbags.

Have you been reading up on AI? You're right, it won't be people watching everything you do 24/7. And by "you", yes, I mean you personally. We're about 20 years away from the total surveillance state. Boy oh boy, you'll be super safe then and you won't dare do a single thing to jeopardise that "safety". Not if you know what's good for you, not if you know your place.

[Power n Glory]

See. I don't agree it's where we're headed or it's a slippery slope. If it is where we're headed then you're right, I just don't think it is.

As a Christian, where do you think things heading? What’s your take on the Book of Revelations?

[Letters]

How about a compulsory DNA database? Let's get one of those too, to go along with all the cameras and tech surveillance systems. And let's lock down the Internet and force identity checks on everyone trying to use it. Let's arbitrarily decide what's acceptable in terms of content and ban the rest.

There's so much we can be doing to keep you safe. I'm sure the Chinese government is keen on keeping people safe too. So unfair when they are labelled as authoritarian, commie scumbags.

Have you been reading up on AI? You're right, it won't be people watching everything you do 24/7. And by "you", yes, I mean you personally. We're about 20 years away from the total surveillance state. Boy oh boy, you'll be super safe then and you won't dare do a single thing to jeopardise that "safety". Not if you know what's good for you, not if you know your place.

Well, DNA testing helps solve a lot of crimes and when it came in it exhonorated quite a few innocent people, so there's nothing wrong with a DNA databases in and of themselves any more than there is finger print libraries IF they are used for the right reasons. It's not about what information they have on me so much as what they're using it for and what effect it has on my life.

There's quite a lot of CCTV around right now, your web activity and emails are monitored or logged at least - in an automated way, no-one is sitting there reading your emails or watching you on CCTV cameras.

This is already going on and what effect does it have on your life? Day to day, what difference does it make? What freedoms has it cost you? For me it mostly means I get targetted advertising which can be a bit spooky but is generally fairly benign. I don't feel anyone is sitting there watching me all the time and even if they are it doesn't affect what I can or can't do. If it starts to then that will be a problem. Will it? I'm not convinced. Orwell wrote 1984 in 1948, nearly 70 years ago and while yes, we are more surveilled now than ever I don't see it has had much if any effect on our day to day freedoms.

[Letters]

As a Christian, where do you think things heading? What’s your take on the Book of Revelations?

Ooft. That's a good question :wacko:
It doesn't sound like it's going to be pretty but whether that's imminent...this wouldn't be the first generation to think that the end of the world is nigh.

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40321203

:ilt:

At least Bono didn't stick his oar in.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, DNA testing helps solve a lot of crimes and when it came in it exhonorated quite a few innocent people, so there's nothing wrong with a DNA databases in and of themselves any more than there is finger print libraries IF they are used for the right reasons. It's not about what information they have on me so much as what they're using it for and what effect it has on my life.

There's quite a lot of CCTV around right now, your web activity and emails are monitored or logged at least - in an automated way, no-one is sitting there reading your emails or watching you on CCTV cameras.

This is already going on and what effect does it have on your life? Day to day, what difference does it make? What freedoms has it cost you? For me it mostly means I get targetted advertising which can be a bit spooky but is generally fairly benign. I don't feel anyone is sitting there watching me all the time and even if they are it doesn't affect what I can or can't do. If it starts to then that will be a problem. Will it? I'm not convinced. Orwell wrote 1984 in 1948, nearly 70 years ago and while yes, we are more surveilled now than ever I don't see it has had much if any effect on our day to day freedoms.

Nice try. Not biting.

[Power n Glory]

Ooft. That's a good question :wacko:
It doesn't sound like it's going to be pretty but whether that's imminent...this wouldn't be the first generation to think that the end of the world is nigh.

It may not be a case of the world coming to an end anytime soon but laws are being passed to make it difficult to say, believe or practice certain things without it being considered a hate crime. If you have kids or are thinking about having kids, I don’t know how it’s possible to teach them about your faith in today’s society.

[Letters]

It may not be a case of the world coming to an end anytime soon but laws are being passed to make it difficult to say, believe or practice certain things without it being considered a hate crime. If you have kids or are thinking about having kids, I don’t know how it’s possible to teach them about your faith in today’s society.

It is getting more difficult, admittedly. I remember a while back someone at my old church musing about whether one day it would be illegal to proclaim that Jesus is the only means of salvation (which is what He said, and quite frankly given that all major religions contradict one another they can't all be right, either one is or none are). I don't think we're quite there yet but it is heading in that direction.

[Letters]

Nice try. Not biting.
What you're not doing, as usual, is answering straight questions.

[Niall_Quinn]

What you're not doing, as usual, is answering straight questions.

No, I'm showing you respect you may or may not deserve. Either you were joking with that last post, in which case ha ha, or else you were serious, in which case the debate is over and I proved my point.

[Power n Glory]

It is getting more difficult, admittedly. I remember a while back someone at my old church musing about whether one day it would be illegal to proclaim that Jesus is the only means of salvation (which is what He said, and quite frankly given that all major religions contradict one another they can't all be right, either one is or none are). I don't think we're quite there yet but it is heading in that direction.

It looks like it’s heading that way. Freedom of speech and freedom to do as you please as long as it’s secular.

[Letters]

No, I'm showing you respect you may or may not deserve. Either you were joking with that last post, in which case ha ha, or else you were serious, in which case the debate is over and I proved my point.

All you've done in this discussion so far is declare yourself right and ignored my points and my simple, direct questions about your position.
So yes, I agree. I'll go and talk to the grown ups.