"Currants Bw..."

[Niall_Quinn]

And the lines into Auschwitz were constantly bombed, so even if Ryvita had risked trading with the enemy it's unlikely their products would have got through.

[Letters]

I'll be honest, I didn't think this conversation would go in this direction.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'll be honest, I didn't think this conversation would go in this direction.

You have limited imagination.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Why play loose with the facts?

And in fairness I was merely positing what a girl would need to do in order to have the authentic Anne Frank look

Oh she was in Bergen-Belsen?. I don’t know where I got the idea where she’d died in Auschwitz. Which she wouldn’t have done because women went to the adjoining Birkenau camp.

[Niall_Quinn]

And in fairness I was merely positing what a girl would need to do in order to have the authentic Anne Frank look

Oh she was in Bergen-Belsen?. I don’t know where I got the idea where she’d died in Auschwitz. Which she wouldn’t have done because women went to the adjoining Birkenau camp.

It's all immaterial in the end. Ryvita wouldn't have been available at any of those locations. If you don't believe me, why don't you ring up the company and ask them if they shipped product to the Nazis during WWII? I don't think so.

[Niall_Quinn]

Jesus fucking Christ - why isn't there a filter in Google so you can get rid of black peoples stuff? It's all over the fucking shop and it's impossible to find anything.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's all immaterial in the end. Ryvita wouldn't have been available at any of those locations. If you don't believe me, why don't you ring up the company and ask them if they shipped product to the Nazis during WWII? I don't think so.

I think you’re Getting way too hung up over the availability of Ryvita in nazi death camps

[Niall_Quinn]

I think you’re Getting way too hung up over the availability of Ryvita in nazi death camps

Non-availability, to be precise about it.

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2017/10/18/new-eu-referendum-demanded-with-3rd-option-brexit-but-not-organised-by-these-clueless-dicks/

:lol:

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41663380

:rolleyes:

[GP]

What a cuck.

[GP]

Walkers Salt and Vinegar used to be in blue packets, I swear to god.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41663380

:rolleyes:

Check out this alleged male:

#HowIWillChange: Acknowledge that if all women I know has been sexually harassed, abused or assaulted, then I know perpetrators. Or am one.
— Benjamin Law �� (@mrbenjaminlaw) October 16, 2017

Hey everyone, I assume I'm guilty of something so whatever it is, I'll change it. Once I find out what it is.

#FuckOff

[Marc Overmars]

Loads of treats in the office for Diwali today.

Indians. :bow:

The nice kind of brown people.

[Letters]

Indians are very nice, I think it's because secretly they think we are still in charge.
Their country is shit though.
Well, Delhi in particular. Chennai not so bad, but still quite bad, but at least you don't feel the air is literally killing you there.

[Niall_Quinn]

Indians are very nice, I think it's because secretly they think we are still in charge.
Their country is shit though.
Well, Delhi in particular. Chennai not so bad, but still quite bad, but at least you don't feel the air is literally killing you there.

Any Ryvita out there?

[Letters]

To be honest, I didn't look. If I get to go there again I will investigate that for you.

[GP]

Ryvita is a globalist conspiracy.

[Letters]

Some brown people brought in Diwali sweets here...and they're just things like "Celebrations" and stuff from the Co-op bakery.
Unacceptable :sulk:

[Niall_Quinn]

Ryvita is a globalist conspiracy.

I want to believe.

[Marc Overmars]

Some brown people brought in Diwali sweets here...and they're just things like "Celebrations" and stuff from the Co-op bakery.
Unacceptable :sulk:

Poor show tbh.

We've got some authentic shit that I can't even pronounce.

[Letters]

I brought some of this back from India

http://www.vegrecipesofindia.com/gulab-jamun-easy-gulab-jamun-recipe/

It's awesome.
If you like diabetes :cool:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I want to believe.

Eat your dry tasteless sustenance, don’t question anything and defer to authority at all times

[Niall_Quinn]

Eat your dry tasteless sustenance, don’t question anything and defer to authority at all times

Am I allowed sesame seeds with my banal existence?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Am I allowed sesame seeds with my banal existence?

Not with that attitude

[Letters]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-not-women-who-get-pregnant-its-people-w3mmzbgwh?shareToken=c40f1259f828c2ebd2e7fe8acb16c d6c

:rolleyes:

[Niall_Quinn]

This is becoming like Monty Python. Mind you, even they would have struggled to come up with off the wall shite as mad as this. Stick the feminists and the transgender weirdos in a room and let them fight it out. Whoever wins gets to make my dinner.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/its-not-women-who-get-pregnant-its-people-w3mmzbgwh?shareToken=c40f1259f828c2ebd2e7fe8acb16c d6c

:rolleyes:

How does Gilligan still have a job?

[Niall_Quinn]

How does Gilligan still have a job?

He hasn't gone far enough. He strikes me as a stereotypical caninist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ueIxLyblKs

[Letters]

Polish women :bow:

[Letters]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-wayne-kellerman-vaseline_us_59ee5333e4b003385ac15823

:blink:

[GP]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41804740

the sky is falling on Dotard Donny

[Niall_Quinn]

So Kevin Spacey is gay. Who knew?

And as a minor aside, he also allegedly molests children.

But I think the main thing here is the bravery he's shown by coming out of the closet. And, remind me again, why is that brave? What's so brave about following fashion?

[Letters]

Is being "out" "in" now?

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2017/10/30/by-the-way-im-gay-not-the-right-answer-to-did-you-touch-that-child-agrees-everyone/

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So Kevin Spacey is gay. Who knew?

And as a minor aside, he also allegedly molests children.

But I think the main thing here is the bravery he's shown by coming out of the closet. And, remind me again, why is that brave? What's so brave about following fashion?

Is taking it up the funnel a fashion trend?

Or is just using it as a shield to deflect from being a boy botherer

[GP]

And he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

[GP]

Poppy Nazis can fuck off. It's my choice if I want to wear one or not.

[Letters]

Poppy Nazis can fuck off. It's my choice if I want to wear one or not.

Ha. I remember saying that to...I dunno, that mad woman. Chrissie? Yeah, her. Years ago.
She went into one of her mental rants about how I was literally spitting on the graves of her relatives who served. May be slightly exaggerating her stance but she was a proper loon so if so, not by much.
In brief, I agree.

[GP]

She was mad. Proper bunny boiler mental.

Of course, she once said she didn't like Wenger's tie so you had to ban her.

[GP]

:)

[Letters]

AKB, tbh.


Remember when she said she was going to get her solicitor to contact me because I wouldn't remove her "personal details" from the site? :lol:

[Niall_Quinn]

She was mad. Proper bunny boiler mental.

Of course, she once said she didn't like Wenger's tie so you had to ban her.

Do you have her phone number? For my cousin.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Do you have her phone number? For my cousin.

Your.....Cousin?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

She was mad. Proper bunny boiler mental.

Of course, she once said she didn't like Wenger's tie so you had to ban her.

The black one or the red one

I won’t hear a bad word said about the black one

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We....er....don’t get many women on here do we?

[Letters]

We....er....don’t get many women on here do we?

Not any more. Back on the old board though we were drowning in pussy :cool:

[GP]

AKB, tbh.


Remember when she said she was going to get her solicitor to contact me because I wouldn't remove her "personal details" from the site? :lol:

:lol: Did she really?

Mental bitch.

[Niall_Quinn]

Your.....Cousin?

And?

[Niall_Quinn]

Not any more. Back on the old board though we were drowning in pussy :cool:

Until people finally told you your Dudley Do-right cat picture of the day routine was driving members away.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

And?

Well I mean by your cousin do you mean you?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Not any more. Back on the old board though we were drowning in pussy :cool:

Is it possible to drown in pussy?

I am going to have to take you to task on that remark

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Until people finally told you your Dudley Do-right cat picture of the day routine was driving members away.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3FnCiRpdQ4

I’ve been warned about people like you

Also pretty sure Roy Whiting nor Sidney Cooke were so easily discouraged

[Niall_Quinn]

Well I mean by your cousin do you mean you?

Don't be so cliched.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is it possible to drown in pussy?

I am going to have to take you to task on that remark

Yes. I once knew this bird who could have berthed an oil tanker. The trick with her was to work around the edges without falling in.

[Letters]

Is it possible to drown in pussy?

I am going to have to take you to task on that remark

You clearly weren't around for the tale of STB and the squirter.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes. I once knew this bird who could have berthed an oil tanker. The trick with her was to work around the edges without falling in.

That sounds about as erotic as loose women

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Don't be so cliched.

Cliched perhaps but still doesn’t make it untrue

I have a friend who hears voices telling her to kill her friends

Oh ok.....bye now. I’m going to delete your number from my phone

[GP]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNdAg3UWkAAVtbE.jpg

Happy Halloween

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNdAg3UWkAAVtbE.jpg

Happy Halloween

INCEST.....the game the whole family can play!

[Letters]

Netflix have removed House of Cards because Spacey is one of them gays :blink:
Seems a bit over the top.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Netflix have removed House of Cards because Spacey is one of them gays :blink:
Seems a bit over the top.

I think it makes them look a bit socially conscious when in likelihood season 6 was going to be the last anyway

[Niall_Quinn]

Couldn't make it through the last season. Too dull and repetitive.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Couldn't make it through the last season. Too dull and repetitive.

You missed the episode where he torched the puppies with a flamethrower

Harrowing but hugely entertaining

[GP]

Netflix have removed House of Cards because Spacey is one of them gays :blink:
Seems a bit over the top.

Gays in the entertainment industry? I supposed there had to be one.

[Cripps]

It's all about Luther:bow:

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41813720

Geometry :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

He's from Godalming in Surrey, which explains everything.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Series 5 or the part I saw of it was dull, joyless and devoid of characters you cared about. It was like watching Arsenal.

Gave up on it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Series 5 or the part I saw of it was dull, joyless and devoid of characters you cared about. It was like watching Arsenal.

Gave up on it.

Still referring to House of Cards?

[Letters]

After events in New York (8 people were killed,11 injured), Trump tweets:

"I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!"

After events in Las Vegas (58 dead, around 550 injured) it is "not the time" to talk about gun control.

#TrumpLogic :bow:

[GP]

After events in New York (8 people were killed,11 injured), Trump tweets:

"I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!"

After events in Las Vegas (58 dead, around 550 injured) it is "not the time" to talk about gun control.

#TrumpLogic :bow:

There's just nothing that can be done to prevent it, says the only country on the planet where this happens.

[Letters]

There's just nothing that can be done to prevent it, says the only country on the planet where this happens.

The thing is, gun control laws just don't work.
Apart from in Australia when they were implemented after a gun massacre since which none have occurred. Apart from that.

[GP]

The thing is, gun control laws just don't work.
Apart from in Australia when they were implemented after a gun massacre since which none have occurred. Apart from that.

Yeah but now isn't the time.

[Letters]

Yeah but now isn't the time.

Not with all them immigants running around killing people. That needs to be the focus (unless you look at the statistics, so I won't).

[Niall_Quinn]

Yet again.

What do you all care about gun control in the States? As if this incident has anything to do with gun control anyway.

Who has wound your key to make you go off on this each and every time? Are you getting paid or something?

[Letters]

Can you please send me the list of things it is acceptable for me to comment on for my future reference. Fanx. :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

Can you please send me the list of things it is acceptable for me to comment on for my future reference. Fanx. :good:

No, don't act the smacked bitch. There's a question in there. What do you care?

Or is this just another case of you piping up to say what you think ought to be said during these "tragic" (nobody gives a fuck unless it affected them) moments?

There was an ACTUAL gun related incident just over 24 hours back in Utah that affected me, personally, to a minor degree. So I gave a shit abut that and was concerned for a particular person. That seems reasonable enough. A human response. But you'll probably have to scramble to Google to muster up an opinion on that one. Not mainstream enough.

This hair tearing nonsense you lefties wail through each and every bloody time - sending our your crocodile condolences, treating us to your holier than thou talking points about other peoples' business. Disingenuous doesn't begin to describe it.

Answer then. Why are you so keen on gun control in a foreign country? What's the motivation behind you keen interest? Or are you just fashionably concerned?

[GP]

Now isn't the time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Now isn't the time.

I disagree.

No Trump
No KKK
No fascist USA!

And certainly no paintball guns FFS!

What is the world coming to?

Somebody "in charge" of me - DO SOMETHING!

WHAAAAA!

[Cripps]

Yet again.

What do you all care about gun control in the States? As if this incident has anything to do with gun control anyway.

Who has wound your key to make you go off on this each and every time? Are you getting paid or something?

Because of human decency and compassion towards others in the other areas of the world.

Plus it's breaking news so you can't expect people not to comment and give their views.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

No, don't act the smacked bitch. There's a question in there. What do you care?

Or is this just another case of you piping up to say what you think ought to be said during these "tragic" (nobody gives a fuck unless it affected them) moments?

There was an ACTUAL gun related incident just over 24 hours back in Utah that affected me, personally, to a minor degree. So I gave a shit abut that and was concerned for a particular person. That seems reasonable enough. A human response. But you'll probably have to scramble to Google to muster up an opinion on that one. Not mainstream enough.

This hair tearing nonsense you lefties wail through each and every bloody time - sending our your crocodile condolences, treating us to your holier than thou talking points about other peoples' business. Disingenuous doesn't begin to describe it.

Answer then. Why are you so keen on gun control in a foreign country? What's the motivation behind you keen interest? Or are you just fashionably concerned?

Ok I’ll bite

I have family in California, if possible I would rather make it harder for some crazed sociopath to get their hands on battlefield weaponry that could be used to pump round after round into innocents amongst whom could be people I care about.

I’m not against the vetting procedure either if it proves to be an effective deterrent against repeat incidents like in New York (but the original list was rather arbitrary especially with the glaring omission of Saudi Arabia

But if as a politician you are for one kind of regulatory procedure but against another....it has to be asked what your end game is. And that’s not specific to Trump, it’s the same question to be posed of any and all chief executives and law makers down the years.

[Letters]

No, don't act the smacked bitch. There's a question in there. What do you care?
I suppose at some level I don't really. If they want to let people have massive guns and keep shooting each other then fine. You're right it basically never effects me so, at some level, "Meh".
But it does concern me that we have a president who is so unable to think logically, given the power he wields.
Fuelled by hair tearing nonsense you righties wail through each and every bloody time there's a terrorist attack, there is an immediate response to an incident which killed 8 people and injured 11. An incident which killed 58 and injured 550..."this is not the time to talk about gun control".
It's a fuzziness of thinking that worries me in society general, it's potentially scary when someone with real power thinks like that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Because of human decency and compassion towards others in the other areas of the world.

Plus it's breaking news so you can't expect people not to comment and give their views.

Not with these guys it's not. It's an agenda. Which is fine. Except when you dress it up in compassion, because that just stinks.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Not with these guys it's not. It's an agenda. Which is fine. Except when you dress it up in compassion, because that just stinks.

As long as you don’t try to convince anyone you have any less of an agenda on the subject

[Letters]

Not with these guys it's not. It's an agenda. Which is fine. Except when you dress it up in compassion, because that just stinks.

What do you see that agenda as?

[Niall_Quinn]

Ok I’ll bite

I have family in California, if possible I would rather make it harder for some crazed sociopath to get their hands on battlefield weaponry that could be used to pump round after round into innocents amongst whom could be people I care about.

I’m not against the vetting procedure either if it proves to be an effective deterrent against repeat incidents like in New York (but the original list was rather arbitrary especially with the glaring omission of Saudi Arabia

But if as a politician you are for one kind of regulatory procedure but against another....it has to be asked what your end game is. And that’s not specific to Trump, it’s the same question to be posed of any and all chief executives and law makers down the years.

There's already a whole raft of legislation in place to limit access to automatic weaponry. Criminals do not obey the law. America is a very, very different nation to European states, as you likely know given you have a personal interest. America has always been a nation fractured into two fundamental belief systems, at least until the globalists hijacked the left and swapped in their own agenda. It's so incredibly pointless for the left to be going on about disarming the citizenry, which is their actual agenda to be conducted drip by drip. Half the population won't stand for it and would have to be forcibly disarmed. And that's never going to happen.

So the debate should be about prescription drugs, and loose border controls, and effective policing, and real race issues rather than manufactured identity politics, and other such concerns. But that's not the leftist agenda. The causes of the problems need to be addressed but the lobbyists and the media have everyone focused in on the symptoms.

[Niall_Quinn]

As long as you don’t try to convince anyone you have any less of an agenda on the subject

Of course I don't try to convince anyone of that. When have I ever?

[Power n Glory]

No, don't act the smacked bitch. There's a question in there. What do you care?

Or is this just another case of you piping up to say what you think ought to be said during these "tragic" (nobody gives a fuck unless it affected them) moments?

There was an ACTUAL gun related incident just over 24 hours back in Utah that affected me, personally, to a minor degree. So I gave a shit abut that and was concerned for a particular person. That seems reasonable enough. A human response. But you'll probably have to scramble to Google to muster up an opinion on that one. Not mainstream enough.

This hair tearing nonsense you lefties wail through each and every bloody time - sending our your crocodile condolences, treating us to your holier than thou talking points about other peoples' business. Disingenuous doesn't begin to describe it.

Answer then. Why are you so keen on gun control in a foreign country? What's the motivation behind you keen interest? Or are you just fashionably concerned?

I think I understand your overall stance. I don’t think anyone wants to live in a nanny state, but the given the freedom American’s have with guns, does it not disturb you to see how often people use guns against each other?

One of the arguments for those that are pro guns is that they’re needed in case the government gets out of hand and the people need to form a militia to protect themselves against the government. That makes some sort of sense. But it’s rare to see a case where this happens or even cases of people revolting against the government. It’s always normal everyday citizens in the firing line and that’s the sort of thing that makes me question whether or not humans can be trusted with so much freedom. Not saying we need babysitting or that or liberties should be trampled all over but it’s depressing to see and hear this shit everyday. I’m convinced more each day that people are twisted and corrupt.

[Niall_Quinn]

I suppose at some level I don't really. If they want to let people have massive guns and keep shooting each other then fine. You're right it basically never effects me so, at some level, "Meh".
But it does concern me that we have a president who is so unable to think logically, given the power he wields.
Fuelled by hair tearing nonsense you righties wail through each and every bloody time there's a terrorist attack, there is an immediate response to an incident which killed 8 people and injured 11. An incident which killed 58 and injured 550..."this is not the time to talk about gun control".
It's a fuzziness of thinking that worries me in society general, it's potentially scary when someone with real power thinks like that.

What about the fuzziness of the investigation in Vegas? Does that concern you?

"We" have a president?

And how do you know he can't think logically? He's one of the foremost businessmen who because a president, so how illogical is he really? And who's telling you he's illogical? The entirely discredited left wing media that has an agenda so obvious it has long since given up the pretence of being an objective observer and reporter of fact? They don't have a lower approval rating than congress by accident. Are you following along with developments over there? Or is Trump all you can see. Did you read any of the declassified JFK documents? Did they clue you in any on how the world actually works? Not that any of this isn't blatant and obvious, but for the doubting Thomas crowd who need to see the holes, well go ahead and take a look. Are any of your assumptions shattered yet or do you intend to persist?

All these conspiracy theories Letters, and it turns out the fluffy little world related by the legacy media is the biggest conspiracy of the lot. This is where you are getting your news from. Drip, drip, drip, and this is why you can so rapidly associate a vehicle and a paintball gun with gun control. The trigger fires and the agenda flows on autopilot.

So tell me, just why was it so illogical of Trump to tweet about immigration control following the incident in New York? Isn't it actually the most pertinent of issues? And what do you know about ISIS? How were they formed? Where do they get their funding? What are their objectives? And what happened to Al Qaeda? Where did they go? And how did *they* form? And how were they funded? And what was their objectives? And so on.

I'll tell you what's illogical. To take one piece of a million piece puzzle and formulate public policy on the back of it. That why it's not the time for gun control. Because there is so, so much more to first be identified, addressed and corrected. Criminals in government who prop up the very companies that flood the planet with weapons, for a start. And criminals from the supposed left and the supposed right who help these companies start their wars. Millions are being killed in those wars btw.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think I understand your overall stance. I don’t think anyone wants to live in a nanny state, but the given the freedom American’s have with guns, does it not disturb you to see how often people use guns against each other?

One of the arguments for those that are pro guns is that they’re needed in case the government gets out of hand and the people need to form a militia to protect themselves against the government. That makes some sort of sense. But it’s rare to see a case where this happens or even cases of people revolting against the government. It’s always normal everyday citizens in the firing line and that’s the sort of thing that makes me question whether or not humans can be trusted with so much freedom. Not saying we need babysitting or that or liberties should be trampled all over but it’s depressing to see and hear this shit everyday. I’m convinced more each day that people are twisted and corrupt.

People are twisted and corrupted, I'd say. But that's by design. The only difference between the east and the west is the religion of money, which replaced traditional religion. When you create societies that are almost exclusively focused on the acquisition of wealth you are going to get a very fucked up society filled with very fucked up people. Examine any and every aspect of our lives and you'll see there is a monetary equation involved, either directly or indirectly. Money can't buy me love, but it sure is needed to buy the time to love. Without it, you hardly encounter your fellow man in any true respect. Which is why there is a vehement kickback against the likes of our board at Arsenal. They're turning our escape into a fucking money thing too.

You can't dip into chaos and remove a small piece of the chaos and expect the chaos to dissipate. That's what this gun control nonsense is all about. More laws for criminals to ignore. More restrictions and paperwork and invasions of privacy and trampling of liberty. Gun controls laws will only constraint the law abiding. So they are 100% pointless and this is confirmed when we see that some of the states with the strictest laws have the the highest number of incidents. But you go after the fuckers who accumulate vast wealth and unlimited power from flogging these guns all over the place with virtually no safeguards and then you are really tackling the problems.

Going back to the recent release of classified files related to the JFK assassination, we know what happens to people (even presidents) who try to tackle the problems instead of the symptoms. It'll take a very brave man to make a difference, so instead people skirt around the safe ground and beg the very bastards who cause all the problems to come up with a solution.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

There's already a whole raft of legislation in place to limit access to automatic weaponry. Criminals do not obey the law. America is a very, very different nation to European states, as you likely know given you have a personal interest. America has always been a nation fractured into two fundamental belief systems, at least until the globalists hijacked the left and swapped in their own agenda. It's so incredibly pointless for the left to be going on about disarming the citizenry, which is their actual agenda to be conducted drip by drip. Half the population won't stand for it and would have to be forcibly disarmed. And that's never going to happen.

So the debate should be about prescription drugs, and loose border controls, and effective policing, and real race issues rather than manufactured identity politics, and other such concerns. But that's not the leftist agenda. The causes of the problems need to be addressed but the lobbyists and the media have everyone focused in on the symptoms.

You know full well that gun control in that country has got more and more lax due to pre existing Legislation being allowed to expire.

It’s the same reason you’ll get idiots trying to pretend Las Vegas and Sandy Hook were false flags and carry with them people credulous enough to believe such outright lies. Because they know the first question asked after the shootings was how on earth do such people have access to these guns.

Prescription drugs? What kind of medication can you take that stops you from being a sociopath?

I have no problem if people feel the need to go hunting or go to silly gun shows to show off their killing tool but when they have to lock it up afterwards it’s not rational or sensible to argue that it’s necessary to deter home invaders.

The vetting and regulation process is not what it should be, and a result most of these mass shootings are perpetrated by individuals who legally have every right to carry these weapons.

There’s nothing we can do is a white flag to the lobbyists nothing more

And for someone who abhors identity politics to try and pidgeon hole it into being a left-right political argument is the very essence of identity politics.

I agree that it’s very unlikely you will ever be able to de-arm civilians and neither do I think it’s necessary. But it’s not unreasonable to posit that there is more that can be done to make sure that when the wrong kind of people get hold of guns it is outside of the law and they can be prevented from turning human beings into a form of blood sport.

[Power n Glory]

People are twisted and corrupted, I'd say. But that's by design. The only difference between the east and the west is the religion of money, which replaced traditional religion. When you create societies that are almost exclusively focused on the acquisition of wealth you are going to get a very fucked up society filled with very fucked up people. Examine any and every aspect of our lives and you'll see there is a monetary equation involved, either directly or indirectly. Money can't buy me love, but it sure is needed to buy the time to love. Without it, you hardly encounter your fellow man in any true respect. Which is why there is a vehement kickback against the likes of our board at Arsenal. They're turning our escape into a fucking money thing too.

You can't dip into chaos and remove a small piece of the chaos and expect the chaos to dissipate. That's what this gun control nonsense is all about. More laws for criminals to ignore. More restrictions and paperwork and invasions of privacy and trampling of liberty. Gun controls laws will only constraint the law abiding. So they are 100% pointless and this is confirmed when we see that some of the states with the strictest laws have the the highest number of incidents. But you go after the fuckers who accumulate vast wealth and unlimited power from flogging these guns all over the place with virtually no safeguards and then you are really tackling the problems.

Going back to the recent release of classified files related to the JFK assassination, we know what happens to people (even presidents) who try to tackle the problems instead of the symptoms. It'll take a very brave man to make a difference, so instead people skirt around the safe ground and beg the very bastards who cause all the problems to come up with a solution.

I need to find those files on JFK and have read when I find the time.

I hear you on the way society is set up. When desperate, people go to the extreme. But it's still depressing stuff to see people turn on themselves.

[Cripps]

Niallgel Farage :bow:

[Niall_Quinn]

You know full well that gun control in that country has got more and more lax due to pre existing Legislation being allowed to expire.

It’s the same reason you’ll get idiots trying to pretend Las Vegas and Sandy Hook were false flags and carry with them people credulous enough to believe such outright lies. Because they know the first question asked after the shootings was how on earth do such people have access to these guns.

Prescription drugs? What kind of medication can you take that stops you from being a sociopath?

I have no problem if people feel the need to go hunting or go to silly gun shows to show off their killing tool but when they have to lock it up afterwards it’s not rational or sensible to argue that it’s necessary to deter home invaders.

The vetting and regulation process is not what it should be, and a result most of these mass shootings are perpetrated by individuals who legally have every right to carry these weapons.

There’s nothing we can do is a white flag to the lobbyists nothing more

My argument is the opposite of - there's nothing we can do. As already explained weeks ago, the Vegas shooter broke just about every law in the book. Criminals often do that. Prescription drugs? Most of the shooters are on them. A third of America's kids are on some form of medication. That's around a quarter million times more casualties than Vegas. 65% of gun deaths are suicides - I wonder if there is any correlation? A small percentage is suicide by cop, which is where it gets particularly nasty. And that largest amount of gun deaths, by far, relate to hired government thugs operating abroad and killing civilians.

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2017/11/01/still-too-soon-to-discuss-gun-control-says-trump-immediately-ordering-extreme-vetting-of-immigrants/

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

My argument is the opposite of - there's nothing we can do. As already explained weeks ago, the Vegas shooter broke just about every law in the book. Criminals often do that. Prescription drugs? Most of the shooters are on them. A third of America's kids are on some form of medication. That's around a quarter million times more casualties than Vegas. 65% of gun deaths are suicides - I wonder if there is any correlation? A small percentage is suicide by cop, which is where it gets particularly nasty. And that largest amount of gun deaths, by far, relate to hired government thugs operating abroad and killing civilians.

Broke every law in the book apart from how he acquired the Weapons he used to slaughter people like he was playing a first person shoot em up game.

[Niall_Quinn]

Broke every law in the book apart from how he acquired the Weapons he used to slaughter people like he was playing a first person shoot em up game.

Oh come on. If you are going to treat the whole, I smuggled an arsenal into the mob's hotel, plot as credible then sure, if we ignore all the laws he broke and focus on the laws he didn't break, and ignore the fact the weapons weren't bought in that condition and were modified, there definitely needs to be stricter control on everyone bar the warmongering government.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://newsthump.com/2017/11/01/still-too-soon-to-discuss-gun-control-says-trump-immediately-ordering-extreme-vetting-of-immigrants/

Doubling down I see. But not explaining WHY it is unreasonable to discuss immigration control when an immigrant and allegedly a terrorist goes on the rampage.

WITH A PAINT GUN!

I don't think you knew that detail when you kicked this off this morning. That's my guess.

[Letters]

What about the fuzziness of the investigation in Vegas? Does that concern you?
Elaborate?

"We" have a president?
Yes, we the world. What happens in the US does quite often affect the rest of the world.

And how do you know he can't think logically? He's one of the foremost businessmen who because a president, so how illogical is he really? And who's telling you he's illogical? The entirely discredited left wing media that has an agenda so obvious it has long since given up the pretence of being an objective observer and reporter of fact?
OK, firstly...foremost businessman? Really? He has had a load of bankruptcies, he inherited his wealth and some estimate that had he just left the money invested he'd be better off now than he is.
Secondly, how has the left wing media been "entirely discredited"? You just stating things doesn't make it so.
Thirdly how do I know he is illogical? Have you read his tweets? Of seen videos of him talking? That's how.

Did you read any of the declassified JFK documents? Did they clue you in any on how the world actually works? Not that any of this isn't blatant and obvious, but for the doubting Thomas crowd who need to see the holes, well go ahead and take a look. Are any of your assumptions shattered yet or do you intend to persist?
I didn't read the documents themselves but I read some of the reports on what they contain. As always in these sorts of debates you are maddeningly vague. You hint at knowing better than me but say nothing of substance.
What do you mean. Some evasive answer like "I'm not going to spoon feed you" isn't going to cut it, if you have something to say then say it plainly.


All these conspiracy theories Letters, and it turns out the fluffy little world related by the legacy media is the biggest conspiracy of the lot. This is where you are getting your news from. Drip, drip, drip, and this is why you can so rapidly associate a vehicle and a paintball gun with gun control. The trigger fires and the agenda flows on autopilot.
All meaningless puff as usual. Where do YOU get your news from? And what makes your sources credible and accurate?


So tell me, just why was it so illogical of Trump to tweet about immigration control following the incident in New York? Isn't it actually the most pertinent of issues?
Actually, that is not in itself illogical. If he feels that a reaction is needed to combat Islamic terrorism then not in itself unreasonable. I don't think his policies will fix the problem but that's a different argument.
What is illogical is the contrast between his belief that Islamic terrorism is "a problem" which needs immediate action and that gun violence is not something which needs to be addressed right now.
Given that the Las Vegas incident affected a lot more people than this one, and there are constant gun massacres in the US and terrorist attacks relatively rare, that contrast is illogical. I don't see how the questions about ISIS are relevant here, I'm talking about his reaction to these two individual incidents.


I'll tell you what's illogical. To take one piece of a million piece puzzle and formulate public policy on the back of it. That why it's not the time for gun control. Because there is so, so much more to first be identified, addressed and corrected. Criminals in government who prop up the very companies that flood the planet with weapons, for a start. And criminals from the supposed left and the supposed right who help these companies start their wars. Millions are being killed in those wars btw.

Why is there a wrong time for gun control? There is a clear problem in America, it needs addressing. The fact that there are other problems, yes arguably bigger problems, is neither here nor there.
It doesn't have to be a choice.

[Letters]

Doubling down I see. But not explaining WHY it is unreasonable to discuss immigration control when an immigrant and allegedly a terrorist goes on the rampage.

WITH A PAINT GUN!

I don't think you knew that detail when you kicked this off this morning. That's my guess.

He did the main damage with a truck. This is nothing to do with his weapon of choice.

[Power n Glory]

Doubling down I see. But not explaining WHY it is unreasonable to discuss immigration control when an immigrant and allegedly a terrorist goes on the rampage.

WITH A PAINT GUN!

I don't think you knew that detail when you kicked this off this morning. That's my guess.

I heard he also had pellet gun! :sulk:

[GP]

I heard he was also a LEFTIST CUCK!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Oh come on. If you are going to treat the whole, I smuggled an arsenal into the mob's hotel, plot as credible then sure, if we ignore all the laws he broke and focus on the laws he didn't break, and ignore the fact the weapons weren't bought in that condition and were modified, there definitely needs to be stricter control on everyone bar the warmongering government.

See I’m not disagreeing with you on clamping down on the other criminal behaviour

I’m just highlighting that you want to look in every place for an explanation but the most obvious

[Niall_Quinn]

Elaborate?

Yes, we the world. What happens in the US does quite often affect the rest of the world.

OK, firstly...foremost businessman? Really? He has had a load of bankruptcies, he inherited his wealth and some estimate that had he just left the money invested he'd be better off now than he is.
Secondly, how has the left wing media been "entirely discredited"? You just stating things doesn't make it so.
Thirdly how do I know he is illogical? Have you read his tweets? Of seen videos of him talking? That's how.

I didn't read the documents themselves but I read some of the reports on what they contain. As always in these sorts of debates you are maddeningly vague. You hint at knowing better than me but say nothing of substance.
What do you mean. Some evasive answer like "I'm not going to spoon feed you" isn't going to cut it, if you have something to say then say it plainly.


All meaningless puff as usual. Where do YOU get your news from? And what makes your sources credible and accurate?


Actually, that is not in itself illogical. If he feels that a reaction is needed to combat Islamic terrorism then not in itself unreasonable. I don't think his policies will fix the problem but that's a different argument.
What is illogical is the contrast between his belief that Islamic terrorism is "a problem" which needs immediate action and that gun violence is not something which needs to be addressed right now.
Given that the Las Vegas incident affected a lot more people than this one, and there are constant gun massacres in the US and terrorist attacks relatively rare, that contrast is illogical. I don't see how the questions about ISIS are relevant here, I'm talking about his reaction to these two individual incidents.



Why is there a wrong time for gun control? There is a clear problem in America, it needs addressing. The fact that there are other problems, yes arguably bigger problems, is neither here nor there.
It doesn't have to be a choice.

Well that helps a bit. So there was no real intent behind your posting other than to take another swipe at Trump, using the incident in New York as a useful backdrop. Fine.

You dispute Trump is one of the foremost businessmen in America? Okay. A bizarre rejection of the reality, but you are entitled to your opinion. And you also dispute the legacy media and the left wing legacy media in particular is discredited, despite, say, Iraq, when the peace loving liberal left beat the drums of war as loudly as the rest. If you somehow think they have restored their credibility, or their lapse was a one-off, well I mentioned the JFK files and from those you can see the media has been lying all along. And then there's the whole Russian thing you fell for, hook, line sinker. The question becomes, has the media and particularly the left wing media EVER had any credibility? I recall the Mirror trying to have some at one point, and they got savaged, from the left and right.

Elaborate?

Absolutely not. You are more than capable of extending your reading list beyond the Guardian. And don't just assume your inability to comprehend things means those things are incomprehensible. If you read some of the points in the thread again you might grasp that I'm all for gun control whereas what you are talking about is people control.

[Niall_Quinn]

See I’m not disagreeing with you on clamping down on the other criminal behaviour

I’m just highlighting that you want to look in every place for an explanation but the most obvious

Where do you think illegal weapons come from? From gun stores, maybe under the counter? They come from the black market, from those who don't obey the law and so won't be affected by the law. Where did ISIS get its guns? Who is the biggest customer for black market guns, going all the way back through the decades? I most certainly am looking in by far the most obvious place. The place that's under everyone's nose.

[Cripps]

Ban guns then have a purge for people to drop the guns off without any consequences. Easy :coffee:

[Niall_Quinn]

Ban guns then have a purge for people to drop the guns off without any consequences. Easy :coffee:

I think a lot of people would agree with that on the condition the government gave up its guns too. You can't have an arrangement where only one side is armed.

[Cripps]

But realistically speaking, is there a need to have a gun to arm yourself against the state? All seems very far fetched and Hollywood movieish to me :shrug:

[Letters]

But realistically speaking, is there a need to have a gun to arm yourself against the state? All seems very far fetched and Hollywood movieish to me :shrug:

I think that was the original intent of the second amendment actually.
But now the government have drones, and bloody great missiles so quite honestly an uprising is going to be pretty one sided whether "the people" are armed or not.
Even if you buy the "self defence" argument (which I don't), no-one needs an automatic weapon for that.

[Cripps]

A bit like Wenger then... outdated and not in touch with the modern era...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Where do you think illegal weapons come from? From gun stores, maybe under the counter? They come from the black market, from those who don't obey the law and so won't be affected by the law. Where did ISIS get its guns? Who is the biggest customer for black market guns, going all the way back through the decades? I most certainly am looking in by far the most obvious place. The place that's under everyone's nose.

But again were the guns used in most of these shootings illegally accquired? The answer is no

[Letters]

A bit like Wenger then... outdated and not in touch with the modern era...

:rimshot:

:lol: If you like...

[Niall_Quinn]

But again were the guns used in most of these shootings illegally accquired? The answer is no

The ones people are protesting against, for this stage of the agenda, were all illegally modified. ALLEGEDLY. Because the story we have heard so far is a complete fabrication. So who knows?

[Niall_Quinn]

But realistically speaking, is there a need to have a gun to arm yourself against the state? All seems very far fetched and Hollywood movieish to me :shrug:

That's what Hollywood is there for, to make you think what is going on under your nose is fantasy. That and to rape kids. Another "conspiracy theory" that nobody is laughing about any more.

[Cripps]

:lol:

Sceptical and cynical NQ:bow:

[Letters]

The ones people are protesting against, for this stage of the agenda, were all illegally modified. ALLEGEDLY. Because the story we have heard so far is a complete fabrication. So who knows?

What is the agenda?
What is the basis for stating it is a fabrication?

[Niall_Quinn]

What is the agenda?
What is the basis for stating it is a fabrication?

No. Rewind. Following your consideration of the alleged facts that have so far been revealed, do you find the proposed story credible or not? We don't need to consider agendas at all to determine if the alleged facts are credible. Unless we want to skip past the alleged facts, that is.

[Letters]

NQ in evading simple question shock exclusive.
What facts are you disputing and what is your basis for doing so?

[Niall_Quinn]

NQ in evading simple question shock exclusive.
What facts are you disputing and what is your basis for doing so?

NQ is evading nothing. If you want to say, "I don't have a fucking clue about any of this, I just assume it is all as reported, but please enlighten me if that's not the case", then I'll answer your pre-emptive criticism which you have disguised as a question.

[Letters]

NQ is evading nothing.
Apart from these 3 straight questions:

What is the agenda?
What is the basis for stating it is a fabrication?
What facts are you disputing and what is your basis for doing so?

The proposed story is some nutter who had a load of guns shot a load of people. Given how often that happens in America it doesn't seem that unlikely.
Do you want to have a go at answering my questions now?

[Cripps]

Get a room.

[Niall_Quinn]

Apart from these 3 straight questions:

What is the agenda?
What is the basis for stating it is a fabrication?
What facts are you disputing and what is your basis for doing so?

The proposed story is some nutter who had a load of guns shot a load of people. Given how often that happens in America it doesn't seem that unlikely.
Do you want to have a go at answering my questions now?

Agenda - can't be know. Not enough evidence. Best guess, fear, divide and conquer. Distract? Could be many, many things.
Fabrication - already admitted by the authorities when their hero figure's timeline was altered.
Facts - Not the same thing as announcements by authority figures. Freely available video and audio evidence of the whole incident as well as eyewitnesses already establish there were 2 gunmen involved, at least 2 but no fewer than 2. Acoustics and eyewitness testimony make it impossible there was only one.

So the changed timeline and the disintegration of the routine lone nut cover already proves the story being pushed out is a fabrication. Why they are fabricating a story, who is behind it, what are the real train of events? Unknown due to insufficient evidence.

And you call the shooter a nutter with loads of guns, but he's only a nutter on the basis the fabricated story about him is true, which it can't be, and it's only true if he really managed to smuggle an arsenal into a mob hotel completely unseen, not even a video still. So that didn't happen. 600 casualties among a scattering crowd from 11 bursts and supposedly 2,000 rounds, over 440 yards? The terminator couldn't achieve that success rate.

But we've reached the stage where it really doesn't matter. Half the people now believe authority unconditionally. 911 was the acid test. JFK the primer and many, many steps between. In the 70's we knew the CIA and FBI killed Kennedy using their mates in the mob, we knew there was a conspiracy because even the authorities quietly concluded the same. But if you don't publicise the facts then the facts don't exist and the myth prevails.

A few days ago further, the rubber stamp was delivered. Not from a tin foil hat on the Internet, but from the pen of the ex-Surgeon General. Reinforcing what was known in the 70s and putting the matter beyond reasonable dispute. But still, the mainstream will tell you Oswald shot Kennedy. Tucker Carlson did it last night, with a straight face, and he's supposed to be the fearless voice of the right.

It takes a long time for many people to figure these things out, and by then it's usually too late to matter. So we have another 50 years to go before everyone accepts the physical evidence from 911. And, who knows, 70, 80, 90 years until the truth about Vegas is common knowledge, if we last that long. Maybe less because Vegas is a footnote by comparison. And maybe less because more people are dismissing authoritarian bullshit as it gets more ridiculous and the trend is towards a critical mass.

[Cripps]

Agenda - can't be know. Not enough evidence. Best guess, fear, divide and conquer. Distract? Could be many, many things.
Fabrication - already admitted by the authorities when their hero figure's timeline was altered.
Facts - Not the same thing as announcements by authority figures. Freely available video and audio evidence of the whole incident as well as eyewitnesses already establish there were 2 gunmen involved, at least 2 but no fewer than 2. Acoustics and eyewitness testimony make it impossible there was only one.

So the changed timeline and the disintegration of the routine lone nut cover already proves the story being pushed out is a fabrication. Why they are fabricating a story, who is behind it, what are the real train of events? Unknown due to insufficient evidence.

And you call the shooter a nutter with loads of guns, but he's only a nutter on the basis the fabricated story about him is true, which it can't be, and it's only true if he really managed to smuggle an arsenal into a mob hotel completely unseen, not even a video still. So that didn't happen. 600 casualties among a scattering crowd from 11 bursts and supposedly 2,000 rounds, over 440 yards? The terminator couldn't achieve that success rate.

But we've reached the stage where it really doesn't matter. Half the people now believe authority unconditionally. 911 was the acid test. JFK the primer and many, many steps between. In the 70's we knew the CIA and FBI killed Kennedy using their mates in the mob, we knew there was a conspiracy because even the authorities quietly concluded the same. But if you don't publicise the facts then the facts don't exist and the myth prevails.

A few days ago further, the rubber stamp was delivered. Not from a tin foil hat on the Internet, but from the pen of the ex-Surgeon General. Reinforcing what was known in the 70s and putting the matter beyond reasonable dispute. But still, the mainstream will tell you Oswald shot Kennedy. Tucker Carlson did it last night, with a straight face, and he's supposed to be the fearless voice of the right.

It takes a long time for many people to figure these things out, and by then it's usually too late to matter. So we have another 50 years to go before everyone accepts the physical evidence from 911. And, who knows, 70, 80, 90 years until the truth about Vegas is common knowledge, if we last that long. Maybe less because Vegas is a footnote by comparison. And maybe less because more people are dismissing authoritarian bullshit as it gets more ridiculous and the trend is towards a critical mass.

NQ :bow:

On a personal crusade to out-do snowden:bow:

[Cripps]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-5036531/Strawberry-pizza-going-viral-wrong-reasons.html

:blink:

[GP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_HReR_McQ

[Niall_Quinn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_HReR_McQ

I think it's for the best if whoever made that is murdered.

[Niall_Quinn]

Prices start at £999 :haha:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfIwjq38cyI

Zombie Attack!

[Marc Overmars]

I bought the 8.

Never bother with first iteration's, I don't think the X will really take off for another year or 2 when the tech specifically for it is better and more varied.

[Globalgunner]

I change my phone about every 5 years and it still serves me well at the end of each cycle .Got better things to do with my hard earned than get conned into buying the latest fad. Like Cadbury chocs.and London Dairy ice cream. Only got rid of my Galaxy S4 this summer

[Xhaka Can’t]

Huawei P8. Got it 2 years ago for £149.99 when Carphone Warehouse made a pricing error online and they honoured it. Was supposed to be on sale for £249.99 from £399.

Did all the shit I needed it to until I realised that for only another £850 I can make my face look like an emoji.

[Niall_Quinn]

Ain't got one, never had one, won't get one.

[Letters]

Mum got me a 5c*, work got me a 6, never bothered upgrading.
Not spending a thousand points on a sodding phone.
*replaced it myself when I dropped the stupid thing in the sea.

[Letters]

http://newsthump.com/2017/11/03/man-who-criticised-new-iphone-arrested-for-sheep-worrying/

[Niall_Quinn]

Don't care what garbage personal tracking devices people want to buy, their money, up to them. Don't even care too much that some idiots queue to get robbed, it takes all sorts. What pisses me off is more and more services becoming dependent on these shit things, with no alternatives made available when they would be super easy to provide.

[Globalgunner]

Sadly there is no dodging the Matrix nowadays. Most companies want you to be accessible 24/7. They will give you a phone even if you say no. Refusal will make you seem like the Idris Elba character from "The Wire"

"Are you taking notes on a motherfuckin conspiracy?"

[Niall_Quinn]

Might have to watch The Wire again

[Letters]

Not the time to talk about gun control

Http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511

[Niall_Quinn]

Not the time to talk about gun control

Http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511

Give me a brief run down of the FACTS.

Thanks.

[Letters]

27 dead. By someone with a gun or guns.
Second high profile incident with lots of deaths recently, lots of smaller ones which happen so frequently they don't even make the national news.

Those are some facts

[Niall_Quinn]

No, not the news roll. The facts.

What time did it occur, for instance?

[Letters]

It sounds like the bloke went into a church service and did it so I imagine it was in the morning, US time.
What relevance is that?

[Niall_Quinn]

It sounds like the bloke went into a church service and did it so I imagine it was in the morning, US time.
What relevance is that?

Yep. I asked because the time is stated in the article.

Let's not change federal laws on a knee jerk, eh?

[Letters]

Is this where I say it's not a knee jerk because it happens over and over again over there and you say something about Wenger? Just trying to save us both some time.

[Niall_Quinn]

Is this where I say it's not a knee jerk because it happens over and over again over there and you say something about Wenger? Just trying to save us both some time.

Just saying. You saw a headline and that's all it took. Just demonstrated it in the only realistic way it is possible on a typed medium. Because I already knew. We know nothing about this incident yet.

And you want to change the law?

[Letters]

We know it was a gunman. We know roughly the number of deaths. We know the statistics on gun crime and mass shootings in the US. Obviously more details will emerge about this particular incident but I can't imagine it will be anyhing which will change my basic stance that yes, there is a real problem over there which needs fixing. It's weird that they don't acknowledge it.

[Niall_Quinn]

Triggered.

You could say.

[Cripps]

Is this where I say it's not a knee jerk because it happens over and over again over there and you say something about Wenger? Just trying to save us both some time.

:haha:

[Cripps]

More people have died from guns in the USA than they have from all the wars.

It's time to put an end to this madness.

[Letters]

I...don't think that's true. But significantly more have died in gun violence in the US than from terrorist attacks in the US - only in 2001 when 9/11 happened can you even sensibly plot them on the same scale graph, even then gun violence "won" by miles. But terrorism is the thing which warrants immediate attention. Hmm.

[Cripps]

Well... it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/us-gun-violence-charts-data

[Letters]

Well... it is.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/us-gun-violence-charts-data

:blink:

Bloody hell.

[Niall_Quinn]

Even the Guardian doesn't buy into it the bullshit.

What you need is a tighter suicide control. Maybe a nanny following everyone around?

[Letters]

It's ok. Stand down everyone. Seems the shooter was male so it's thoughts and prayers and nothing can be done.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

God really is a cunt :haha:

After the South Carolina shooting I just assumed he didn’t like blacks

[GP]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN5TzORUMAE2JyK.jpg

[Letters]

Even the Guardian doesn't buy into it the bullshit.
What, specifically, do you think is "bullshit"?

[Niall_Quinn]

The devious attempt to equate gun deaths to combat deaths.

By including suicides.

Dishonest in the extreme, so much so that even the Guardian won't touch it.

Those figures reveal that 500 deaths per year, out of an average 2.6 million (2014 stats) are attributable to 'mass' (I assume that means more than one) shootings. That's 0.02%

See what I did there?

Odd, isn't it, that a government that commits by far the most gun violence against civilians than any other nation or group on the planet wants to deny millions of law abiding citizens their constitutional rights based on a vanishingly small pretext? This sudden desire for the establishment to save 500 lives a year. How touching.

How many die from poverty?

[Letters]

Ok. That's a pretty fair point. But there is a mass shooting (defined as 4 or more deaths or injuries) more or less every day in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

It is "a problem" which needs addressing. It's a significantly bigger problem in the US, statistically, than terrorism. But the difference in response is stark.
Las Vegas "not the time..." New York "immediate response..." Texas "Monitoring the situation..."

I'm sure that's nothing to do with how much money the NRA pump into the Republicans of course...

[Niall_Quinn]

Ok. That's a pretty fair point. But there is a mass shooting (defined as 4 or more deaths or injuries) more or less every day in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

It is "a problem" which needs addressing. It's a significantly bigger problem in the US, statistically, than terrorism. But the difference in response is stark.
Las Vegas "not the time..." New York "immediate response..." Texas "Monitoring the situation..."

I'm sure that's nothing to do with how much money the NRA pump into the Republicans of course...

The US constitution provides Americans with the right to bear arms. The founders were smart enough to know just how essential this provision is, given they had just defeated an abusive regime that tried to enforce its will on the people. The fundamental difference between provisions enshrined in the constitution as opposed to mere statutes the control immigration is obvious. There is no comparison whatsoever and the mechanisms and principles anchoring each are entirely different. What's really happening here is a simple change in the law that would tighten up controls on immigrants entering from war zones is being blocked by courts that have a clear political bias. But even this is merely scratching the surface. As I asked previously, what is ISIS? How was it formed? How is it funded? Who has supported it all along?

Then there's the deceit of the establishment media. Notice how terrorists don't kill people - trucks do that. And criminals don't kill people - guns do that. How many guns are there in the States? When suicides and accidents are removed from the equation, how many gun deaths in comparison to the number of gun holders? And where do so many of those deaths occur? In the states with strict controls. Criminals do not obey the law. Only law abiding citizens obey the law. The target of these gun control measures is the law abiding citizenry. Not the criminals. The constitution protects the citizenry against authoritarian measures such as removal of the right to bear arms. So this is all one giant non-issue. If the state wants to take away guns then it will have to do so by force. And with all its tanks and bombs and missiles, it doesn't have the capacity to do that without causing a bloodbath that even the zombies would notice. Instead, it relies on propaganda and manipulation to encourage the citizenry to disarm itself. Well that's not working. The establishment loses credibility daily. Soon it will have none at all. And at that time who knows what it will resort to to maintain a grip on power? The jellied liberals will be happy the portion of the citizenry with spines are armed when that time comes.

[Cripps]

The devious attempt to equate gun deaths to combat deaths.

By including suicides.

Dishonest in the extreme, so much so that even the Guardian won't touch it.

Those figures reveal that 500 deaths per year, out of an average 2.6 million (2014 stats) are attributable to 'mass' (I assume that means more than one) shootings. That's 0.02%

See what I did there?

Odd, isn't it, that a government that commits by far the most gun violence against civilians than any other nation or group on the planet wants to deny millions of law abiding citizens their constitutional rights based on a vanishingly small pretext? This sudden desire for the establishment to save 500 lives a year. How touching.

How many die from poverty?

But it's not just about stopping mass shootings, it's about trying to stop all shootings :shrug:

[Niall_Quinn]

But it's not just about stopping mass shootings, it's about trying to stop all shootings :shrug:

Is it?

What about stabbings? Car accidents? Food poisoning? Infection from ingrowing toenails?

Why doesn't the government fuck right off and mind its own business? It's there to serve the people, not tell them how to live. Or die for that matter. And why is the government permitted to have tanks and assault rifles and all manner of military equipment while calling for the citizenry to be disarmed? What are we saying? That the US government, the government that has attacked and killed more civilians than any other organisation on planet earth since the end of WWII, should be left in an unassailable position to dictate as it pleases? Would you trust the US government on any issue or to any degree? The CIA? The NSA? The crazed Joint Chiefs? The horrendously crooked stooges in Congress, the Senate and the Executive? And if so, why, for God's sake?

You want a psychopathic and ultra violent mass murdering serial killer to be your nanny. Why?

[Letters]

And why is the government permitted to have tanks and assault rifles and all manner of military equipment while calling for the citizenry to be disarmed?
They're not calling for that though, are they?

[Cripps]

Is it?

What about stabbings? Car accidents? Food poisoning? Infection from ingrowing toenails?

How many deaths are there from those a year in America :doh:

[Niall_Quinn]

They're not calling for that though, are they?

Not at this stage. But when they get their new laws in place and gun violence isn't magically eradicated, then what? More laws. That's how government steals liberty, step by step. That's how it's done in every case. Give them the right to track "terrorists" and soon they are tracking everyone. Give them the right to do anything at all and it is abused. It's deliberately naive for you to suggest otherwise and history is not your friend should you wish to persist.

[Niall_Quinn]

How many deaths are there from those a year in America :doh:

I think you may be missing the point.

[Cripps]

I don't get your argument, you say people need to be armed against the government, but it's not like they retaliate currently to prevent the police brutality etc from happening even with their guns :unsure:

It's such a weak argument. This isn't Iraq or Libya where there's a civil war or bloodshed on the streets from a tyrannical leader, it's America :shrug:

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't get your argument, you say people need to be armed against the government, but it's not like they retaliate currently to prevent the police brutality etc from happening even with their guns :unsure:

It's such a weak argument. This isn't Iraq or Libya where there's a civil war or bloodshed on the streets from a tyrannical leader, it's America :shrug:

What happens when you damn a river? Do the citizens living downriver call for the damn to be removed because so far they haven't got wet?

Precisely. America isn't Iraq or Libya. Iraq and Libya are two nations that couldn't defend themselves adequately against the violence of the US government. Now look at them. Destroyed societies. And if you think the same could never happen in America, well look at any communist state and its bloody history. There has been a concerted push over decades to drive America into the arms of globalisation, the global manifestation of communism. Clinton was earmarked to ride the transformation to a point of no return, hence the viciousness of the response against the coincidental nationalist chosen by the Americans who don't want their way of life transformed and degraded. Gun control is just one item, albeit an important one, on the globalist agenda.

Did you see the lefty revolution that occurred over the weekend? The chickenshits didn't dare hit the streets and it ended up as a farce. Why? Because on a 10 to 1 ratio, Americans took to the streets armed and ready to act if necessary. The communists hid at home instead. A fairly minor demonstration of things to come, but a demonstration nonetheless.

[Niall_Quinn]

Anyway - I MUST work today. End of. No getting away from it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Gunman was an Athiest

God really is a cunt :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Cripps]

Did you see the lefty revolution that occurred over the weekend? The chickenshits didn't dare hit the streets and it ended up as a farce. Why? Because on a 10 to 1 ratio, Americans took to the streets armed and ready to act if necessary. The communists hid at home instead. A fairly minor demonstration of things to come, but a demonstration nonetheless.

No I didn't. I'm guessing the loony lefties protested against white supremacists, or a president that is a KKK sympathiser, or police brutality that has unlawfully killed numerous black individuals. How awful of those loony lefties wanting decency and justice in society.

[Niall_Quinn]

No I didn't. I'm guessing the loony lefties protested against white supremacists, or a president that is a KKK sympathiser, or police brutality that has unlawfully killed numerous black individuals. How awful of those loony lefties wanting decency and justice in society.


The "decency and justice" lot are hired and bussed thugs. They wear masks and carry clubs. They attack blacks, whites, women and children regardless. The fools that tag along with them, I suppose genuinely imagining they are campaigning for justice, are finally figuring out the deal and opting to stay at home. And now the heroine feminist who was set to lead them to the promised land has been exposed as the most criminally corrupt individual in recent American political history, they have nothing much left to do except fall back to their safe spaces at their liberalised campuses.

So much injustice in this world and yet these pliable fools are enraged and engaged (until the going gets tough) with identity politics and particularly transgender issues.

Trump has been a longstanding critic of the KKK and has expressed his views on multiple occasions over the years in public. Just because CNN says a thing does not make it true. Indeed, when CNN says a thing there's a very high likelihood it is total bullshit. The KKK thing is meant to dehumanise Trump because they don't have anything legitimate to attack him on beyond the playboy tycoon fancies women angle. Anti-gay perhaps? No sign of him fucking males up the shitter so that's a bit discriminatory. They don't hate Trump per se, they hate the guy who is sitting in the seat reserved for Clinton. And they hate the fact he's male (although male doesn't exist any more - make up your minds). Wouldn't matter who was there, they'd still be tagged with all the shite the tantrum prone globalists can throw.

Trump, quite conceivably by accident, has derailed the globalist gravy train and there's a price to pay for that.

[Letters]

I don't think Trump is a KKK sympathiser, but the KKK are definitely Trump sympathisers, and that perhaps tells you something about Trump...

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I tend to agree with NQ about Antifa, I don’t think a lot of them think of themselves as Thugs. Just entitled idiots who buy into their college lectures about intersectionality and how fascism will prevail if “good people” do nothing.

It’s the kind of thing that happens when you buy totally into an ideology, you believe absurd things. The same way many on the alt right think that when Trump talks about fake news he is shining a light on dishonest media practices rather than just responding to reports about him that are critical.

The left and the right are two peas in a pod. The right adopt the term “snowflake” to ridicule those who get upset about their attempts to promote free speech for themselves (and rightly so) but they equally behave just like the weak kneed left when It comes to something being said that offends them.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't think Trump is a KKK sympathiser, but the KKK are definitely Trump sympathisers, and that perhaps tells you something about Trump...

The question of whether Trump is racist or not is largely irrelevant. If the guy thought he could have won an election with Social Justice warriors as his base, he’d have run on that platform.

He doesn’t have any particular political leaning other than what benefits him.

[Letters]

The question of whether Trump is racist or not is largely irrelevant. If the guy thought he could have won an election with Social Justice warriors as his base, he’d have run on that platform.

He doesn’t have any particular political leaning other than what benefits him.

I don't really agree. That would be a valid argument if, once he was in power, you saw a change in his stance but that hasn't happened. He seems to really believe the stuff he was spouting before the election and is in bed with people like Breitbart and Fox, that's where he seems to get his information from.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't really agree. That would be a valid argument if, once he was in power, you saw a change in his stance but that hasn't happened. He seems to really believe the stuff he was spouting before the election and is in bed with people like Breitbart and Fox, that's where he seems to get his information from.

If you promise shit you have to look like you’re delivering on it

The whole NFL thing was a made up outrage to play to his base

And he’s also kept a lot of his base onside by being as tough as he’d promised on immigrants (one of his actual achievements when in office whether you agree with his chosen stance or not).

It was Bannon who came to Trump and gave him a platform to run on, mainly because no other republican would touch it.

Look at his obsession with Obama?, it’s because Obama took the piss out of him in 2011.

Do I think Trump is a liberal?. No I think he loves a lot of this conspiracy theory shit which is why he became the poster child of the birther movement.

But the point is, people like him aren’t at their core ideologues. Populists are manipulators and inflammers of public outrage.....that’s what he is.

[Letters]

So what do you think Trump is really up to then?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So what do you think Trump is really up to then?

Partly self enrichment
But mostly for someone as narcissistic as him, simply being the most powerful man in America is enough

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think Trump is a KKK sympathiser, but the KKK are definitely Trump sympathisers, and that perhaps tells you something about Trump...

Absolutely crazy reasoning.

The hard right HATES big business. Trump would be a shining example of everything they detest. This tiny group of losers that has been given huge attention by the lefty media believes Trump advances their agenda based on nothing more than Trump's desire to enforce sane immigration policies. They don't support Trump at all. They support his immigration policies, as a first step on a road to some utopia they envisage where Trump could never and would never take them. In fact Trump would be one of the first stood up against a wall as a close friend of the Jewish cabal that has hijacked America. Why don't you go and listen to these people if you want to understand them? Rather than swallow the leftist political fantasy? The information you have that "tells you something about Trump" is telling you the exact opposite to the facts. Whether that's better than nothing you should decide for yourself.

[Niall_Quinn]

The question of whether Trump is racist or not is largely irrelevant. If the guy thought he could have won an election with Social Justice warriors as his base, he’d have run on that platform.

He doesn’t have any particular political leaning other than what benefits him.

He'd have probably preferred to run on that platform, except it doesn't exist any more. Trump has always been more of a liberal than anything else, this is the huge joke when the left tries to paint him as hard right. Trump wants the liberty to do whatever the hell he pleases, without having to pay the social cost. So he's a liberal as opposed to being a libertarian, and libertarians are starting to see this more clearly now and a split is developing. The trouble is, when the other option is globalism even Adolf Hitler would be appealing by comparison. Trump carries with him an uneasy alliance of just about everyone who has figured globalisation out for what it is, and especially those who have suffered its consequences. The alliance will hold for as long as the left keeps trying to flog its dead horse. After that, after Trump has scuppered globalisation (or more accurately allowed it to scupper itself) he'll lose swathes of support as the various groups all splinter back to their own specific agendas.

Right time, right place for Trump. Didn't have to be him, but it is him. And he's the banner under which those who are opposed to globalisation must unite because he's the only game in town and the fight goes way beyond mere politics.

[Letters]

Absolutely crazy reasoning.
It's not reasoning at all, more quoting


Duke has remained a faithful Trump supporter since then, insisting that the president-elect’s policies line up with the former KKK leader’s vision for America.

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't really agree. That would be a valid argument if, once he was in power, you saw a change in his stance but that hasn't happened. He seems to really believe the stuff he was spouting before the election and is in bed with people like Breitbart and Fox, that's where he seems to get his information from.

Honestly Letters. What the hell are you talking about? You expected Trump to run on a nationalist ticket and then jump ship the moment he was confirmed? And you view his failure to do that as some sign he's a right wing extremist?

For fucks sake, stop watching the BBC would you? For your own sake then. You criticise Breitbart and Fox as if they are somehow different to all the other legacy media outlets. I'm trying to imagine what it is you could possibly be seeing that would lead you to such an outlandish conclusion.

[Letters]

Partly self enrichment
But mostly for someone as narcissistic as him, simply being the most powerful man in America is enough

I can see how that would appeal to him. But now he's there he seems to be pretty consistently following through on all the things he was promising before the election.
People were speculating that his spouting before the election was a ploy to get elected but he is putting it into action - or trying to.
That is the one bit of credit I will give him, he's one of the few politicians I've seen who so clearly attempts to follow through on their pre-election promises.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He'd have probably preferred to run on that platform, except it doesn't exist any more. Trump has always been more of a liberal than anything else, this is the huge joke when the left tries to paint him as hard right. Trump wants the liberty to do whatever the hell he pleases, without having to pay the social cost. So he's a liberal as opposed to being a libertarian, and libertarians are starting to see this more clearly now and a split is developing. The trouble is, when the other option is globalism even Adolf Hitler would be appealing by comparison. Trump carries with him an uneasy alliance of just about everyone who has figured globalisation out for what it is, and especially those who have suffered its consequences. The alliance will hold for as long as the left keeps trying to flog its dead horse. After that, after Trump has scuppered globalisation (or more accurately allowed it to scupper itself) he'll lose swathes of support as the various groups all splinter back to their own specific agendas.

Right time, right place for Trump. Didn't have to be him, but it is him. And he's the banner under which those who are opposed to globalisation must unite because he's the only game in town and the fight goes way beyond mere politics.

If he represents your best hope against globalisation. You never had any

[Letters]

Honestly Letters. What the hell are you talking about? You expected Trump to run on a nationalist ticket and then jump ship the moment he was confirmed? And you view his failure to do that as some sign he's a right wing extremist?

I never said he was an extremist, but he is right wing.

[GP]

The thing about Trump, and this can't be understated, make no mistake, he really enjoys raping his daughter.

[Niall_Quinn]

It's not reasoning at all, more quoting



https://www.vox.com/2017/8/12/16138358/charlottesville-protests-david-duke-kkk

OMG :doh:

David Duke. This is hopeless. You could have looked on fucking Wikipedia to get a bit more clued in:


In 2015, it was reported in the media that Duke endorsed 2016 presidential nominee Donald Trump for president.[71][72] Duke responded on his personal website by saying that he had not actually endorsed Trump.[73][74] He later clarified that while he viewed Trump as "the best of the lot", due to his stance on immigration, Trump's support for Israel was a dealbreaker for him. Duke claimed that "Trump has made it very clear that he's 1,000 percent dedicated to Israel, so how much is left over for America?"[75] In December 2015, Duke said Donald Trump speaks more radically than he does, advising that Trump's radical speech is both a positive and a negative.[76][77] In February 2016, Duke urged his listeners to vote Trump, saying that voting for anyone besides Donald Trump “is really treason to your heritage.”[78] In 2016, someone claiming to be David Duke filed a lawsuit in a federal court attempting to bar Trump from the Florida presidential primary. The real Duke referred to the hoax as "the biggest, dirtiest trick I've seen recently".

The first ties between the Klan and mainstream politics were through the Democratic Party. In fact Duke's first foray into "legitimate" politics was as a Democrat candidate. Bit like Hilary's Klansmen friends, but we don't talk much about them any more.

David Duke. Christ.

[Niall_Quinn]

If he represents your best hope against globalisation. You never had any

The war's already won. It's just the funeral and tidying up to take care of now. That's not down to Trump, he's just the convenient figurehead.

[Letters]

In February 2016, Duke urged his listeners to vote Trump, saying that voting for anyone besides Donald Trump “is really treason to your heritage.”

Also:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4460254/Ku-Klux-Klan-say-Donald-Trump-shares-concerns.html

[Niall_Quinn]

I never said he was an extremist, but he is right wing.

FFS. Talk about a snake.

You tie him into the extremists and advise us it "tells us something about him", and now he's not an extremist because the argument has developed. And the joke is, he's not even right wing. Look back at his record. He's centre in the main but with some left wing bias on certain issues, and some right-wing bias on others. A pick and mix philosophy to suit himself, so to speak, and nothing wrong with that actually.

You're just wrong all the time Letters.

[Cripps]

I don't think Trump is a KKK sympathiser

I think by defending far-right protesters like he did a couple of months ago and also saying there were 'very fine people' on the alt-right, he is.

[Cripps]

The question of whether Trump is racist or not is largely irrelevant. If the guy thought he could have won an election with Social Justice warriors as his base, he’d have run on that platform.

He doesn’t have any particular political leaning other than what benefits him.


I don't really agree. That would be a valid argument if, once he was in power, you saw a change in his stance but that hasn't happened. He seems to really believe the stuff he was spouting before the election and is in bed with people like Breitbart and Fox, that's where he seems to get his information from.

For once I agree with Letters.

[Niall_Quinn]

Also:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4460254/Ku-Klux-Klan-say-Donald-Trump-shares-concerns.html

And there you have it. Letters' great theory comes down to one sentence from the non-entity David Duke, who even the KKK called a charlatan, and this other nobody in his tiny hotel room who runs around in a sheet causing precisely zero political impact. Proof beyond doubt that Trump is a right wing hate extremist who isn't an extremist or, WTF is he actually trying to say?

I'll translate. If some inbred gimp from some trailer park supports Trump then that makes Trump a right wing hate figure. A simple and childish smear pushed by the legacy media and swallowed whole by Letters who can't be bothered to get educated.

And why is Letter's homework so thin, lacking context and carefully edited to avoid the inconvenient bits that had to be spoonfed to him because that's all the lazy sod can manage? Because Letters isn't interested in the reality around him at all, he's only interested in propping up his own extraordinarily sanitised and limited world view that has been provided free of charge (and effort) by the mainstream media. Apart from Fox because they are bad for some reason he doesn't mention.

Could you make this any more obvious?

[Niall_Quinn]

I think by defending far-right protesters like he did a couple of months ago and also saying there were 'very fine people' on the alt-right, he is.

The actual alt-right has seen its numbers swell a thousandfold simply by the legacy media labelling everything that's not left wing as alt-right. It has become a meaningless term that is just as likely to rope in a steelworker trying to feed his family as a neo-Nazi boot boy.

[Cripps]

The actual alt-right has seen its numbers swell a thousandfold simply by the legacy media labelling everything that's not left wing as alt-right. It has become a meaningless term that is just as likely to rope in a steelworker trying to feed his family as a neo-Nazi boot boy.

No I'm on about the people that walked the streets of Charlottesville with torches, replicating the KKK.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think by defending far-right protesters like he did a couple of months ago and also saying there were 'very fine people' on the alt-right, he is.

Btw, three of the leaders and organisers of those white supremacists had tangible links to the DNC. There's a huge difference between the scumbags on both the left and the right who lead these so-called movements and the hapless fools who tag along for 1,001 different reasons.

Of course no affiliation is the best political affiliation of all, but the majority still don't see it that way. For some reason.

[Letters]

FFS. Talk about a snake.

You tie him into the extremists and advise us it "tells us something about him", and now he's not an extremist because the argument has developed.
*sigh*
This is really not that complicated. Have a sit down and I'll try to explain.
I don't think Trump is a signed up KKK member, I don't regard him as an extremist.
BUT the KKK, who are extremists, have made noises endorsing Trump. I have given you a couple of links about that - your quote back from Wiki includes a bit about David Duke urging his listeners to vote for Trump.

So yes, if extremists start endorsing a certain candidate in an election then, whether that candidate endorses them or not, it does kinda imply something about that candidate's views.
If ISIS were endorsing a certain candidate in a US election then it doesn't mean the candidate is an Islamic extremist or terrorist, but it does mean that ISIS think their aims are better achieved with that candidate in power.
And I think that would imply something about that candidate and what they stand for.

To put this in terms you may understand, if the Arsenal board finally sack Wenger (I know, but let's pretend) and they identified a new manager. Given what the Arsenal board are interested in, if you know nothing else about that manager wouldn't the fact the Arsenal board is endorsing them worry you?

[Cripps]

Btw, three of the leaders and organisers of those white supremacists had tangible links to the DNC. There's a huge difference between the scumbags on both the left and the right who lead these so-called movements and the hapless fools who tag along for 1,001 different reasons.

Of course no affiliation is the best political affiliation of all, but the majority still don't see it that way. For some reason.

Why can I see NQ starting his own party :bow:

Niallgel Farage :bow:

The leader of the alt-alt-right:run:

[Niall_Quinn]

*sigh*
This is really not that complicated. Have a sit down and I'll try to explain.
I don't think Trump is a signed up KKK member, I don't regard him as an extremist.
BUT the KKK, who are extremists, have made noises endorsing Trump. I have given you a couple of links about that - your quote back from Wiki includes a bit about David Duke urging his listeners to vote for Trump.

So yes, if extremists start endorsing a certain candidate in an election then, whether that candidate endorses them or not, it does kinda imply something about that candidate's views.
If ISIS were endorsing a certain candidate in a US election then it doesn't mean the candidate is an Islamic extremist or terrorist, but it does mean that ISIS think their aims are better achieved with that candidate in power.
And I think that would imply something about that candidate and what they stand for.

To put this in terms you may understand, if the Arsenal board finally sack Wenger (I know, but let's pretend) and they identified a new manager. Given what the Arsenal board are interested in, if you know nothing else about that manager wouldn't the fact the Arsenal board is endorsing them worry you?

Not even a good attempt at extracting yourself from your own nonsense. I already explained how the real right wing hate groups view Trump. But you ignored that and rushed off to find another landmine to jump on, offering up David Duke as your well researched evidence. That you still cling to him is hilarious, despite the fact you could have scanned Wikipedia for his real views on Trump. But even Wikipedia was beyond you. Once informed, you ignored all that out, dishonest as you are, and instead honed in on the only sentence you had left you try to piece together your shattered argument. In a straight race between Trump and Clinton David Duke suggests the right wing votes for Trump? Shocking! I wonder what that says about Trump then? Absolutely nothing is the correct answer, beyond the obvious - right wingers vote the right wing ticket and left wingers vote the left wing ticket. An amazing insight, to be sure, but one I could have figured out for myself thanks. Your real aim, of course, was to tarnish by association. An association Trump can't even control. There are so many things Trump could be legitimately criticised for, but instead you pick a meaningless left wing talking point and smear tactic and run with that. Either because you are proudly uninformed and so rely entirely on legacy media for your viewpoint, or because you are critically dishonest. Or both.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The war's already won. It's just the funeral and tidying up to take care of now. That's not down to Trump, he's just the convenient figurehead.

Yep the Fortune 500 companies took a solid beating

Investment Banking is in full retreat

[Letters]

Not even a good attempt at extracting yourself from your own nonsense. I already explained how the real right wing hate groups view Trump.
Well, you've stated it. You've given absolutely no basis for that. The second link is nothing to do with David Duke. Have a look at that :good:
The association DOES tarnish him. I have explained why. I even used the Arsenal board as I thought you might understand that If you don't then meh, I give up.

[Niall_Quinn]

Yep the Fortune 500 companies took a solid beating

Investment Banking is in full retreat

Ye, I know they are having to make that desperate roll. But that won't work either. They tried it once before and it was a damp squib. Same will happen this time. They're done. They can try to blow up whatever they want but they have categorically and comprehensively lost the idealogical battle. People don't believe these cunts any more and they can see (and feel) the results of their handiwork with their own eyes (and wallets). The globalist gravy train will never find a way back onto the tracks. And when history is written it will speak of the narrow miss we had with a new dark age and how, warts and all, humanity found its way back to the light. Not sure what we'll do once we get there, that's another war.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well, you've stated it. You've given absolutely no basis for that. The second link is nothing to do with David Duke. Have a look at that :good:
The association DOES tarnish him. I have explained why. I even used the Arsenal board as I thought you might understand that If you don't then meh, I give up.

Yeah, absolutely no proof except direct quotations that I guess you can't see because they don't fit your fully stocked world view. Except you did manage to see one of them, didn't you? Maybe that's it. Literal selective blindness. You're giving up because you just made a total arse of yourself. But at least you are giving up this time. Normally you just keep going.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ye, I know they are having to make that desperate roll. But that won't work either. They tried it once before and it was a damp squib. Same will happen this time. They're done. They can try to blow up whatever they want but they have categorically and comprehensively lost the idealogical battle. People don't believe these cunts any more and they can see (and feel) the results of their handiwork with their own eyes (and wallets). The globalist gravy train will never find a way back onto the tracks. And when history is written it will speak of the narrow miss we had with a new dark age and how, warts and all, humanity found its way back to the light. Not sure what we'll do once we get there, that's another war.

No one believes what the Arsenal manager or the Arsenal board say anymore. A lot of people didn’t in the first place. Doesn’t change anything

Same with these big companies. Calling out the big companies (which I’m not sure Trump has even done, just complained about being reamed by the Chinks) isn’t exactly the same as preventing business as usual

Especially as it very much is....buisness as usual.

I wonder what the former Goldman Sachs employees in Trumps cabinet feel about the obvious derailment of Globalisation that happened in such a profound and devestating way that no one noticed it.

[Niall_Quinn]

No one believes what the Arsenal manager or the Arsenal board say anymore. A lot of people didn’t in the first place. Doesn’t change anything

Same with these big companies. Calling out the big companies (which I’m not sure Trump has even done, just complained about being reamed by the Chinks) isn’t exactly the same as preventing business as usual

Especially as it very much is....buisness as usual.

I wonder what the former Goldman Sachs employees in Trumps cabinet feel about the obvious derailment of Globalisation that happened in such a profound and devestating way that no one noticed it.

It has taken 9 years for the first (and fatal) shots to be felt. These things aren't overnight events with a winner by the morning. If you think the globalist movement in the States and Europe is riding high, as it was under Uncle Tom, I think you may have misinterpreted things. The reverse is true. Unions are breaking apart, long standing arrangements are being disrupted and destroyed and even their pedophile networks are being routed. If the last year had happened in the last 24 hours then everyone would be talking about the death of globalisation. Anyway, do I detect a sentiment that would prefer to see this globalisation cancer survive or even proliferate?

You know the last ditch plans to break the dollar will either fail or result in actual war? So you have to ask yourself, if it's actual war, who are you fighting (and most likely dying) for? Do you know?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It has taken 9 years for the first (and fatal) shots to be felt. These things aren't overnight events with a winner by the morning. If you think the globalist movement in the States and Europe is riding high, as it was under Uncle Tom, I think you may have misinterpreted things. The reverse is true. Unions are breaking apart, long standing arrangements are being disrupted and destroyed and even their pedophile networks are being routed. If the last year had happened in the last 24 hours then everyone would be talking about the death of globalisation. Anyway, do I detect a sentiment that would prefer to see this globalisation cancer survive or even proliferate?

You know the last ditch plans to break the dollar will either fail or result in actual war? So you have to ask yourself, if it's actual war, who are you fighting (and most likely dying) for? Do you know?

No I’m just seeing scant evidence for its overthrow.

If America isolates itself fully from the so called global community the party will carry on without it

I’m not even offering a point of view apart from it being risible that anyone would think Trump is the herald against the excesses of the global market and cartels.

Protectionism is the equivalent of thinking you’re safe by hiding under your bed when the undead rise up

You’re either going to be found or starve to death

Playing to peoples sense of tribal identity doesn’t answer the big questions either. Unless you just want to cause divisions to get through tax breaks and cuts in spending that will benefit none of the rustbelt voters who won him the election.

At the end of the day, camps are for kids. There was a myriad amount of inequality, unjustness and grievance that was completely legitimate. You can accept that whilst thinking it’s hilarious that any kind of solution could be found in an emotionally retarded, pathologically lying, narcissistic sociopath like Donald Trump.

People kick out when they are provoked enough, one only had to spend any time with my mother to recognise that. She got angry one time and tore up her wedding photographs.....spent the rest of her life regretting that. The response to Anger is rarely ever rational.

[Letters]

The response to Anger is rarely ever rational.
That pretty much explains every single one of NQ's posts

:ninja:

:run:

[Niall_Quinn]

No I’m just seeing scant evidence for its overthrow.

If America isolates itself fully from the so called global community the party will carry on without it

I’m not even offering a point of view apart from it being risible that anyone would think Trump is the herald against the excesses of the global market and cartels.

Protectionism is the equivalent of thinking you’re safe by hiding under your bed when the undead rise up

You’re either going to be found or starve to death

Playing to peoples sense of tribal identity doesn’t answer the big questions either. Unless you just want to cause divisions to get through tax breaks and cuts in spending that will benefit none of the rustbelt voters who won him the election.

At the end of the day, camps are for kids. There was a myriad amount of inequality, unjustness and grievance that was completely legitimate. You can accept that whilst thinking it’s hilarious that any kind of solution could be found in an emotionally retarded, pathologically lying, narcissistic sociopath like Donald Trump.

People kick out when they are provoked enough, one only had to spend any time with my mother to recognise that. She got angry one time and tore up her wedding photographs.....spent the rest of her life regretting that. The response to Anger is rarely ever rational.

Careful there. You said that, not me. I mentioned this war and the one to come and I'm under no illusions whatsoever. But anyone who wants to look at things from the point of view of the species as a whole will admit globalisation cannot be permitted to survive. Doesn't mean what replaces it is ideal or even acceptable in its own right. But we know what globalisation has delivered, and experience tells us what its purpose is. Treating the entire species as a labour farm for the benefit of a tiny minority? That's not what any of us understand as government or the function of government. Naturally it cannot be allowed to survive. This would seem very obvious.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Careful there. You said that, not me. I mentioned this war and the one to come and I'm under no illusions whatsoever. But anyone who wants to look at things from the point of view of the species as a whole will admit globalisation cannot be permitted to survive. Doesn't mean what replaces it is ideal or even acceptable in its own right. But we know what globalisation has delivered, and experience tells us what its purpose is. Treating the entire species as a labour farm for the benefit of a tiny minority? That's not what any of us understand as government or the function of government. Naturally it cannot be allowed to survive. This would seem very obvious.

If I didn’t know any better that would be an admission that it hasn’t in fact gone anywhere

Who knew a charlatan getting elected wouldn’t inaugurate meaningful change

[Letters]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/the-ku-klux-klan-officially-endorses-donald-trump-for-president-a7392801.html

As an afterthought.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

They endorsed me for local treasurer of nearby parish council

Based on texts I’d sent and what’s app conversations I’d had

“He speaks our language” were the words they used

[Letters]

Racist :sulk:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Racist :sulk:

They conveniently glossed over the texts and messages where I equally was excoriating of white people.

[Letters]

Had to Google excoriating, tbh.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Seemed appropriate as it also refers to damage caused to the skin

[Letters]

Yes. Apt. Nice work.
It would have also been clever of me to have said that NQ was arguing "black is white" that they didn't endorse him.
But I didn't think of it at the time.
:(

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/the-ku-klux-klan-officially-endorses-donald-trump-for-president-a7392801.html

As an afterthought.

And this, right here, is why a growing number of posters here dislike you Letters. The reset as if nothing has occurred and the bland restatement of your already debunked and discredited propaganda, accompanied by the throwaway comment. It can be any thread, any topic, same shitty tactics.

I'm wondering. Does this "tell us" about Letters?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don’t like anyone here. But neither do I dislike anyone

I nothing you

[Letters]

You saying something isn't true isn't "debunking" it.
Even your one source (Wiki, which you have previously lambasted me for using) contained a quote which said he was encouraging his listeners to vote for Trump.
I've also provided two other sources about their endorsement of him. It's not propaganda, this is quotes FROM THEM. :doh:
They did endorse him. You saying "didn't, didn't, didn't" is not a debunking of that.

[Letters]

I nothing you
Aww. You too.
:hug:

[Cripps]

NQ for mod :bow:

Although there's already an NQ that is a mod :blink:

[Letters]

NQ for mod :bow:
When you've already said you agree with me about this :bow:

CrippsVieiraLogic

[Niall_Quinn]

If I didn’t know any better that would be an admission that it hasn’t in fact gone anywhere

Who knew a charlatan getting elected wouldn’t inaugurate meaningful change

You can't see anything but Trump. Which is true of most of the left these days. In 3 or 7 years Trump will be a memory but the landscape will have changed entirely. And it has to be compared to what was supposed to happen, the triumphant consumption of the UK into the European superstate, the triumphant election of the globalist whore of Babylon, the glory of multicultural homogenisation, the migration of our betters to the east. All gone. It's not what we got, it's what we avoided that's worthy of celebration.

[Niall_Quinn]

You saying something isn't true isn't "debunking" it.
Even your one source (Wiki, which you have previously lambasted me for using) contained a quote which said he was encouraging his listeners to vote for Trump.
I've also provided two other sources about their endorsement of him. It's not propaganda, this is quotes FROM THEM. :doh:
They did endorse him. You saying "didn't, didn't, didn't" is not a debunking of that.

Wriggling little worm. He wriggles here, he wriggles there.

[Letters]

I've provided 3 sources to back up my original claim.
You have provided 1 which, actually, also backs it up.
And you've said, basically, "Didn't, didn't, didn't!"

And when I pointed all that out you've replied with nonsense.

[Cripps]

When you've already said you agree with me about this :bow:

CrippsVieiraLogic

Don't you think it's time to stand down Letters and let a more accomplished, modern mod take over? You've divided the board, members have become disillusioned and left, and the board has slowly come to a standstill. Remind you of anyone? :ninja:

[Letters]

members have become disillusioned and left
Not all did. Some were banned for daring to question the mighty Wenger persistent WUMming. :coffee:
But if you don't like it here then you're free to post on, oh I don't know, Goonersworld. I hear they've got that Cripps chap over there, he's awesome.

[Cripps]

I've provided 3 sources to back up my original claim.
You have provided 1 which, actually, also backs it up.
And you've said, basically, "Didn't, didn't, didn't!"

And when I pointed all that out you've replied with nonsense.

No wonder he fits right in at goonersweb

:ninja:

[Cripps]

Not all did. Some were banned for daring to question the mighty Wenger persistent WUMming.

Why did no-one on the other side get banned too for their antagonising behaviour and persistent WUMming :coffee:

[Letters]

Why did no-one on the other side get banned too for their antagonising behaviour and persistent WUMming :coffee:

Because I love Wenger so much. Anyone who praises him can basically do what they like here :good:

[Niall_Quinn]

I've provided 3 sources to back up my original claim.
You have provided 1 which, actually, also backs it up.
And you've said, basically, "Didn't, didn't, didn't!"

And when I pointed all that out you've replied with nonsense.

You just can't stand being shown up for what you are, can you? I'm more than happy to stand by the contents of the thread. Won't be going around another time either, so you can wriggle off onto another topic or try one of your other tricks.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You can't see anything but Trump. Which is true of most of the left these days. In 3 or 7 years Trump will be a memory but the landscape will have changed entirely. And it has to be compared to what was supposed to happen, the triumphant consumption of the UK into the European superstate, the triumphant election of the globalist whore of Babylon, the glory of multicultural homogenisation, the migration of our betters to the east. All gone. It's not what we got, it's what we avoided that's worthy of celebration.

What I’m saying is if you tie your banners to a lying, avaricious Imbecile. This landscape that you expect to have irrevocably changed won’t have.

Because neither Trump or anyone else like Trump gives a fuck about any of these things. These populists aren’t the advance guard of revolutionary change. They are the same irresponsible parasites as before in different clothing.

[Niall_Quinn]

Not all did. Some were banned for daring to question the mighty Wenger persistent WUMming. :coffee:
But if you don't like it here then you're free to post on, oh I don't know, Goonersworld. I hear they've got that Cripps chap over there, he's awesome.

How fortuitous this rule doesn't extend to everyone.

[Letters]

You just can't stand being shown up for what you are, can you? I'm more than happy to stand by the contents of the thread.
Won't be going around another time either, so you can wriggle off onto another topic or try one of your other tricks.
I thought MrsL was world champion at saying a lot without actually saying anything but you are stiff competition. :good:
Nothing of substance in anything you say. I've provided evidence of my stance, you've provided nothing.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Why did no-one on the other side get banned too for their antagonising behaviour and persistent WUMming :coffee:

Because they weren’t found with a giant cache of child pornography on their computer

Seriously though, I actually advocated for your reinstatement here

Mainly only knew you by reputation. But basically said, that even if someone is being a tit that if you can’t deal with it just ignore it....don’t want to make GW one of those wanky safe spaces

[Letters]

But basically said, that even if someone is being a tit that if you can’t deal with it just ignore it....don’t want to make GW one of those wanky safe spaces
I think that's pretty much right, with a side-dish of I'm not sure anything should be allowed.
It's actually very hard to get banned from this place, contrary to popular (well, just one person, but he's either stupid or WUMming or both), very few people have been banned.
I think the more sensitive posters have mostly left now anyway. I've no idea where the line is any more.

[Niall_Quinn]

What I’m saying is if you tie your banners to a lying, avaricious Imbecile. This landscape that you expect to have irrevocably changed won’t have.

Because neither Trump or anyone else like Trump gives a fuck about any of these things. These populists aren’t the advance guard of revolutionary change. They are the same irresponsible parasites as before in different clothing.

You sound like you expect a genuine politician to arrive at some point? I'm not bothered at all about Trump. I'm entirely satisfied to see the old establishment that looked unassailable being crushed. I'm happy to see their agenda halted and destroyed. I'm happy to see some of the miscreants being exposed. This is all good news for anyone who wants to see the status quo rocked and tipped over. It's the only way that change can occur. The change might be good, it might be bad. If bad, it gets tipped again at some point. If good it's something to build on. When was progress ever going to be anything but slow, painful, chaotic? But globalisation offered zero progress for humanity on every front. So of course it had to be destroyed. And that's happening now, so sure, I'm mightily pleased. If you're asking if I think Trump is going to knock and my door and offer me a bag of favours, no, not really. If you're saying he does what he does out of self interest, fine, but so what? What does that matter? Who did you expect in office, the Buddha? Not really his scene, is it? The real bonus with Trump is comedy. He's put the belly laugh back into politics. If he's such a mindless fool, as his critics would have you believe, why does he have those same critics falling over themselves to makes fools of each other? Have you ever seen such a merry dance? Trump collusion for a whole year (and I'm starting to wonder now if he did it on purpose) that culminates in scandal and treason charges for Clinton. Politics and partisanship aside, that's genuinely entertaining. Seeing the establishment eat itself to the accompaniment of decent comedy - it works for me.

[Niall_Quinn]

I thought MrsL was world champion at saying a lot without actually saying anything but you are stiff competition. :good:
Nothing of substance in anything you say. I've provided evidence of my stance, you've provided nothing.

:haha:

[Niall_Quinn]

Has to insult his own wife to try to get his way on a chat forum.

Cracking me up.

[Letters]

QED, tbh. #NothingOfSubstance

[Niall_Quinn]

QED, tbh. #NothingOfSubstance

#LastWord

:haha:

[Letters]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41892838

Row with his Mother in Law :lol:

Better than bottling it up, I suppose.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41892838

Row with his Mother in Law :lol:

Better than bottling it up, I suppose.

Jesus he was married?

[Cripps]

Because they weren’t found with a giant cache of child pornography on their computer

Seriously though, I actually advocated for your reinstatement here

Mainly only knew you by reputation. But basically said, that even if someone is being a tit that if you can’t deal with it just ignore it....don’t want to make GW one of those wanky safe spaces

Herbert for mod :bow:

[Cripps]

How fortuitous this rule doesn't extend to everyone.

:lol:

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You sound like you expect a genuine politician to arrive at some point? I'm not bothered at all about Trump. I'm entirely satisfied to see the old establishment that looked unassailable being crushed. I'm happy to see their agenda halted and destroyed. I'm happy to see some of the miscreants being exposed. This is all good news for anyone who wants to see the status quo rocked and tipped over. It's the only way that change can occur. The change might be good, it might be bad. If bad, it gets tipped again at some point. If good it's something to build on. When was progress ever going to be anything but slow, painful, chaotic? But globalisation offered zero progress for humanity on every front. So of course it had to be destroyed. And that's happening now, so sure, I'm mightily pleased. If you're asking if I think Trump is going to knock and my door and offer me a bag of favours, no, not really. If you're saying he does what he does out of self interest, fine, but so what? What does that matter? Who did you expect in office, the Buddha? Not really his scene, is it? The real bonus with Trump is comedy. He's put the belly laugh back into politics. If he's such a mindless fool, as his critics would have you believe, why does he have those same critics falling over themselves to makes fools of each other? Have you ever seen such a merry dance? Trump collusion for a whole year (and I'm starting to wonder now if he did it on purpose) that culminates in scandal and treason charges for Clinton. Politics and partisanship aside, that's genuinely entertaining. Seeing the establishment eat itself to the accompaniment of decent comedy - it works for me.

Hilary Clinton again? I swear the only people who give a shit about this woman are Trump defenders and herself

I don’t give a shit what she did or didn’t do. The fact that the sad old bitch is a poster child for everything certain people think is wrong with the world is a joke in itself.

As to whether Trump colluded with Putin or agents directly or indirectly to get himself elected?. I don’t know, I’m prepared to believe he was stupid enough not to know Paul Manaforts connections with Russia, let alone that Facebook openly admitted to getting paid for political ad space in Roubles. Whatever you want to claim to be lies and fake news I think it’s beyond doubt that he was the candidate of choice for the Russian kakistocracy and I’m not really sure Vladimir Putin is an opponent of Globalisation (especially if the rules are rigged in his favour).
Although at the end of the day, especially seeing as we look upon the world and human nature in entirely different ways I don’t want you to think in anyway that I think I’m capable of persuading you of anything.
It’s just clarifying that whilst I understand and appreciate many of your sentiments that you’ve got all your work in front of you to convince me that Trump is going to do anything meaningful.
A well educated six year old can point out the vast flaws that exist in society, doesn’t mean they are capable of doing anything about them.
The only thing I’m going to agree with you on about Trump is his comedy factor, I follow him on Twitter and I take endless delight as his childish petulance.
In a very small way I feel sorry for him because I genuinely think he’s becoming increasingly unwell, which will only go to show that the mischief a president can inflict on their country tends to be largely oversold, partly because the office of the president isn’t that powerful, partly because he’s so dysfunctional that he’s barely done anything.
A sitting president achieves the most in their first two years of office and....he’s tweeted a lot.
Lo verily the city of Sodom is falling down around us

[Letters]

Trump is objectively entertaining but he does wield more power than is healthy for someone of his...temperament.
And to say the president is not powerful, he's more powerful than a reality TV star which was his previous job and is about the level of power I'm comfortable with him having.

[Globalgunner]

Manafort was campaign chairman for all of 1 month not the whole campaign. The only beauty of Trump is that he beat the defacto winner. The shoo-in who thought all she had to do was sign up and still used every underhand tool at her disposal to undermine the only challenger for the Dem nomination; The woman who admitted destroying evidence and whose husband was chatting with the AG days before a decision on her pending case was due. Politics stinks but this woman carries the stench of all that is despicable about cronyism and corruption as her own particular eau de toilette. Trump has the maturity of a teen but I would still (if i could) vote for him ahead of the vile Clinton. A 5 star general got jail time for pillow talk on sensitive issues with his mistress while Clinton gets a bye for destroying federal evidence.
My take on the Russian thing is mostly that this is the entrenched power fortresses revenge after not getting their way. They wont be sated until he leaves, likely a 1 term affair.

The real tragedy is how the US system left us with 2 odious entities as the only choice.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Manafort was campaign chairman for all of 1 month not the whole campaign. The only beauty of Trump is that he beat the defacto winner. The shoo-in who thought all she had to do was sign up and still used every underhand tool at her disposal to undermine the only challenger for the Dem nomination; The woman who admitted destroying evidence and whose husband was chatting with the AG days before a decision on her pending case was due. Politics stinks but this woman carries the stench of all that is despicable about cronyism and corruption as her own particular eau de toilette. Trump has the maturity of a teen but I would still (if i could) vote for him ahead of the vile Clinton. A 5 star general got jail time for pillow talk on sensitive issues with his mistress while Clinton gets a bye for destroying federal evidence.
My take on the Russian thing is mostly that this is the entrenched power fortresses revenge after not getting their way. They wont be sated until he leaves, likely a 1 term affair.

The real tragedy is how the US system left us with 2 odious entities as the only choice.

Manafort May be the tip of the iceberg, the likelihood is that both Flynn and the Guy with the Greek sounding name have “flipped”.

The Democrats are mainly making a beef about Clinton now because of how terrible and balless they all are, worse than the Republicans in some ways. Did Donna Brazile help Clinton over the line? Of course she did the Clintons practically owned the DNC for over twenty years. The joke is she came up against America’s answer to Jeremy Corbyn (although a bit unfair as I think Bernie is far smarter and more articulate than Corbyn) because none of the other usual suspects even had the cajones to throw their hat into the ring.

I don’t disagree that the US system left the electorate with two shitty choices, I would have unenthusiastically gone for the rapists wife because I genuinely think the Populist sociopaths are even worse than the status quo crooks.

That says a lot because I loathe the Clintons.