The Wish They Were All Dead Tory Cunt Thread

[Letters]

You say I question authority because I have a fucked up worldview. Okay then, I'll show you mine if you show me yours. State and compare. Our two worldviews. Go.

It's pretty hard to sum up a worldview in a few paragraphs. But you were talking about authority. I don't think it's bad, or good. But in the context of a complicated society it's necessary. A society needs rules. How are those made? It's impossible to have consensus about them once a society gets to a certain size. Any other way of making them necessitates a person or group of people being in authority. And how are the rules enforced without an authority?
I believe government to be the best way of making those rules and democracy is the best way of deciding who is in government.
But I do think our version of democracy is bad and there isn't enough consequence for politicians who are corrupt or incompetent. But that doesn't make the principles wrong, more the implementation of them (like Agile, innit?!)

I don't thing politicians are evil or governments are inherently trying to control or oppress people. I actually think most people get in to politics with good intentions but I'd concede that the end result is a lot of corruption and cronyism. I don't think the MSM are just spouting endless propaganda or "fake news" - obviously some are better than others and all have their biases.

In brief "they" aren't out to get you.
The army were wearing uniform in Birmingham because they wear uniform as part of their job.
The USPS dude was just being interviewed to check his story and ask if he could stand by the statement which was written on his behalf.
The Covid restrictions were put in place as an attempt to control the situation - we can debate whether they were good measures, but given they were revoked shows it wasn't just an attempt at controlling us all. Why would they only want to do that for a couple of years and then randomly just stop again?
And so on.

Blind deference to everything authority does isn't sensible, but neither is believing that everything "they" do is intended to control or oppress us.

[The Wengerbabies]

It's pretty hard to sum up a worldview in a few paragraphs.

https://www.bbc.com/news

There you can sum up your world view in one line, no need for paragraphs.

[Letters]

https://www.bbc.com/news

There you can sum up your world view in one line, no need for paragraphs.

That would work much better as a critique if it wasn’t for the sites you post links to on here which scream headlines that tell you what to think.

[The Wengerbabies]

TL;DR, inheritance tax only affects the richest in society, so while I have some misgivings about it, as with farmers sitting on millions of pounds worth of estate, there are people more deserving of sympathy.

Bullshit.

How much did your beloved King pay in inheritance tax?

The richest in society don't pay it. It only affects the aspirational working and middle class.

[The Wengerbabies]

That would work much better as a critique if it wasn’t for the sites you post links to on here which scream headlines that tell you what to think.

I typically only post from X these days and with community notes they are the most reliable source of unbiased information but more importantly I'm merely sharing things I find interesting, they do not necessarily correspond to what I think.

[Letters]

they are the most reliable source of unbiased information

but more importantly I'm merely sharing things I find interesting, they do not necessarily correspond to what I think.

Oh right. They just happen to all reinforce your worldview. What a coincidence.
The issue, dude, is you have often posted stuff from places where the headline completely misrepresents the actual story. All the while bemoaning “fake news”. I’d suggest misleading headlines is a good example of “fake news”, I didn’t think you liked that sort of thing?
While we are here, I’d concede that the BBC are guilty of this sort of thing. They’re no worse than others but it’s disappointing they’ve fallen in with the clickbait headline brigade

[Letters]

Bullshit.

How much did your beloved King pay in inheritance tax?

The richest in society don't pay it. It only affects the aspirational working and middle class.

There are ways to pass on a lot of money without paying inheritance tax. Those ways are available to the people you are talking about.

[Ollie the Optimist]

One question Letters, you keep saying farms are sitting on millions of pounds of assets and if they sell, they wont be poor etc. that is a fair point but do you not question as to why they haven’t sold and carry on working for what effectively is less then minimum wage when you consider the hours they work, 365 days a year etc?

Also bear in mind, farmers will often do a lot of work that generates no revenue such as clearing ditches, looking after hedges for local communities etc. they aren’t paid to do that, they don’t have to do that but they do but it costs them (fuel, labour etc).

[Letters]

One question Letters, you keep saying farms are sitting on millions of pounds of assets and if they sell, they wont be poor etc. that is a fair point but do you not question as to why they haven’t sold and carry on working for what effectively is less then minimum wage when you consider the hours they work, 365 days a year etc?

Also bear in mind, farmers will often do a lot of work that generates no revenue such as clearing ditches, looking after hedges for local communities etc. they aren’t paid to do that, they don’t have to do that but they do but it costs them (fuel, labour etc).

I assume they do it because they love doing it and/or it's a lifestyle choice. I'm not denying that they're good, hard-working people. And obviously it's important work. I don't think it's a good thing if the next generation will have to sell up either partially or completely to pay the tax. All I'm saying is this doesn't actually affect as many people as some are claiming, for younger farmers there's the 7 year thing and the £3m limit - assuming a couple - is pretty big. Those people aren't going to be on the streets. I feel a bit sorry for some older people who have made plans based on how the rules were and are now a bit screwed. But this isn't the attempt to destroy British farming that some people are claiming. While we're here, fuck Clarkson. If he has done good things for British Farming then it's entirely co-incidental and his intentions are entirely self-interest. He said out loud he bought the land to avoid tax, so his championing of this is not out of any genuine concern for others, it's all about how this will affect him.