"Currants Bw..."

[Niall_Quinn]

No. I was never for mandatory vaccination and was it enforced? When was yours done?
I had the first two but never had any boosters. No-one was knocking on my door to strap me down and have it.
There were some attempts admittedly to enforce it in certain professions - I was never for that. But they were quickly abandoned when too many people collectively told them to sod off.


Are you talking about this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qjdex1ed8o
They're postponing them for a year.
I don't know what I think about that. Maybe it is a cynical ploy to stop Reform. But is isn't exactly the march towards dictatorship I thought you were implying.

I don't understand how you reconcile this thought that we are living in an authoritarianism regime with your observations during Covid of people going about their business ignoring the regulations without consequence. The issue is you view all events through this lens of believing that "they" are out to get us. That lens distorts things so much it leads you to some of the things I mentioned above. I don't understand where this deep distrust of authority comes from. They might be corrupt, self-serving and incompetent - although I don't believe they all are - but they're not out to get you. They're not out to control the minutiae of your life. If they are trying to do that then they're doing a pretty rubbish job, given how much freedom we do enjoy in this country.
https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom

You see? You'll forgive anything, but not because you are a Christian.

No, they didn't have the bollocks to put a gun to peoples' heads. They just said, you're sacked if you don't let us stick you.

Oh, it's postponing. Right. Postponing elections, like in Ukraine or some third world banana republic? Fine, fine. For a moment I thought it was blatantly interfering in the democratic process for political gain. I thought it was allowing Labour strongholds to vote and preventing Reform strongholds from voting. I though blatantly fucking with democracy was kind of authoritarian in nature.

But now I see it's just a waterlogged pitch and the replay will be sometime later. There's really nothing to see here, we should move on.

I don't think there's anything government does that you would ever denounce, let alone stand against.

And then you quickly skip away in the hope I'll engage you in a discussion about MY flaws, which affect nobody as far as I can tell. If only I'D stop speaking then everything would seem okay, is that the desire?

[Letters]

I don't think there's anything government does that you would ever denounce, let alone stand against.

I haven't expressed an opinion about the elections being postponed. I haven't robustly defended it nor have I denounced it.
I merely pushed back against your characterisation of the story which made it sound like Labour have decided we aren't having elections any more and they are now going to stay in power indefinitely.

But I certainly denounced most of the Covid policies. They were obviously bollox. All the posts are there in the relevant thread.
I just never thought that those polices were an authoritarian landgrab on our freedoms - and I was right, those polices are no longer in effect.
I never thought that the army delivering tests in uniform were doing so to soften us up for troops on the street - and I was right, unless they're in camo and I can't see them.
I never thought there would be curfews or checkpoints - and I was right, are there any round your way?

The reason I was right isn't because I'm a genius, it's because I understand the government, while flawed, aren't all out to get us.
They're not seeking to oppress and control us. You can keep pretending they are while going about your daily business unhindered if you like, it's just a bit silly.

And then you quickly skip away in the hope I'll engage you in a discussion about MY flaws, which affect nobody as far as I can tell.

They affect no-one but you, and maybe your family. It's up to you whether you engage and I don't care what you do.
I'm just pointing out the flaws and reminding you where those flaws have led you - to flawed predictions and analysis of events.
Why you choose to ignore that and continue with your flawed worldview despite that track record is a mystery known only to yourself.

You're a bird in a cage with an open door, coming and going as you please and lamenting the cage and the crushing control it has on you.
It's a bit odd and it doesn't seem to be making you happy.
I'm just pointing out the door is open.

[Niall_Quinn]

What was that thing you were saying? Deflect, deflect, deflect?

Yeah, it's just a few postponed elections in areas where the opposition might pick up seats. How is that in any way shitting all over the democratic process? What it really proves it NQ is the problem.

Okay then. I declare the elections are back on! See, that made me happy!

Now we can both go and check the BBC to wait for the announcement.

[Letters]

What was that thing you were saying? Deflect, deflect, deflect?

Yeah, it's just a few postponed elections in areas where the opposition might pick up seats. How is that in any way shitting all over the democratic process? What it really proves it NQ is the problem.

Okay then. I declare the elections are back on! See, that made me happy!

Now we can both go and check the BBC to wait for the announcement.

You're mixing up two things.

The first is this specific story - I hadn't heard about it till you brought it up. I still haven't looked into it in enough detail to really form a view. I can certainly see the point that Reform are popular right now and this could be a cynical attempt to stop their march. I've never denied that Government is cynical, self-serving and corrupt. Till that...what is it, Fixed Term Parliament Act or something the incumbent government could always time the election to be when they wanted and they used that to maximise their chances of winning.
What the Government isn't though is authoritarian, they're not attempting to control us - if they are then they're doing a pretty poor job.

The second thing is your worldview through which you view stories like this. Your use of the word "Cancelled" rather than postponed is an example of the spin you put on things.
That worldview has led you down some pretty dark cul-de-sacs. It doesn't seem that healthy. No, it doesn't affect me but doesn't it affect you?
They're not out to get you, dude. They might not be bending over backwards to help you either but most of the time they pretty much let you get on with it.

It's reasonable to criticise things like this and opine that it's a cynical attempt to stop Reform getting more power. OK, I agree they shouldn't do stuff like that. They will obviously have their reasons and claim that isn't why. Again, not really looked into this in any detail. But when your distrust of authority becomes as extreme as yours is then it leads you to some of the conclusions I've highlighted in this exchange. Given how things panned out does that not cause you to question the underlying worldview at all?

[Niall_Quinn]

You're mixing up two things.

The first is this specific story - I hadn't heard about it till you brought it up. I still haven't looked into it in enough detail to really form a view. I can certainly see the point that Reform are popular right now and this could be a cynical attempt to stop their march. I've never denied that Government is cynical, self-serving and corrupt. Till that...what is it, Fixed Term Parliament Act or something the incumbent government could always time the election to be when they wanted and they used that to maximise their chances of winning.
What the Government isn't though is authoritarian, they're not attempting to control us - if they are then they're doing a pretty poor job.

The second thing is your worldview through which you view stories like this. Your use of the word "Cancelled" rather than postponed is an example of the spin you put on things.
That worldview has led you down some pretty dark cul-de-sacs. It doesn't seem that healthy. No, it doesn't affect me but doesn't it affect you?
They're not out to get you, dude. They might not be bending over backwards to help you either but most of the time they pretty much let you get on with it.

It's reasonable to criticise things like this and opine that it's a cynical attempt to stop Reform getting more power. OK, I agree they shouldn't do stuff like that. They will obviously have their reasons and claim that isn't why. Again, not really looked into this in any detail. But when your distrust of authority becomes as extreme as yours is then it leads you to some of the conclusions I've highlighted in this exchange. Given how things panned out does that not cause you to question the underlying worldview at all?

I suppose you haven't been keeping up with news in the States either? The outright fraud and criminality of government is being laid bare. My worldview - as you put it - is shit, okay, we're always going to have scum like this because humanity is diverse. I'm not unrealistic in that respect. My request is that the cunts leave me alone and I'll leave them alone. Super simple. I'm fully prepared to be subject to the consequences of fucking with people, because I have no intention or desire to fuck with people. THEY fuck with me. They steal my money, threaten me with violence if I don't comply with their orders, lie to me incessantly, use the money they have stolen from me to do horrific things that are forbidden in my religion, pollute science, subvert medicine, and so the list goes. This is what government does, whether it's my view of it or yours or anyones, judge them by their actions not our opinions.

So yeah, when this "democratically elected" (17%) government comes along and suggests my local election be cancelled (you can call it postponed if you prefer, but the fact is it won't be happening on the day when other's get to vote) then I'm going to (quite obviously) observe that's the behaviour of an authoritarian regime, the same type of regime we quickly criticise elsewhere. They say they uphold democracy, they say we have a vote, they steal money to maintain themselves so they can supposedly uphold these principles and then they do the opposite.

What would you call any entity that steals money on the pretence of representation and then denies you that representation? Fascist? Fits well. Authoritarian? Most certainly. Democratic - I can't see how.

If you spent less time worrying about my "worldview" and more time observing the track record of the entity you pay to "represent" us all you'd quickly notice an ever repeating pattern that cannot be explained away by a single issue you decide to cling to. And besides, you claim to be a Christian so I really don't get what gives here. How can you be a Christian AND a statist?

Honour God
No false idols
No blasphemy
Respect the Sabbath
Honour your father and mother
No murder
No adultery
No stealing
No lying
No eyeing up their oil

How is the state doing? Of course if you listed out Lucifer's commandments then they'd be lockstep.

At least my "worldview" is consistent. Your's is all over the place.

[HCZ_Reborn]

So I belong to one of these local Facebook groups, usually filled with curtain twitchers and pearl clutchers. Although sometimes you can get helpful information from time to time.

Anyway this woman posts about three little shits throwing stones at passing cars basically asking if anyone knows these boys (shares an image, which I’m not sure is a violation but who cares I guess) and one of the replies says “I think one of them might be my son, I can assure you he will be dealt with”


Dealt with eh?

[Letters]

Waste Ground Wankers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp82ejmm4r6o