That is a disingenuous comparison. Moyes took over a Utd side who had just won the title with 89 points.
Yes, they finished with one more point the following season with 64 points and finished 7th but that's a drop of 25 points in one season.
He hasn't, any more than Moyes left Utd "in a bad state". He did a bad job but that's not the same thing. Wenger did a bad job last season but we've got a squad I believe is capable of much better, we've got the global fan base, the history, the stadium and the money to attract top managers and top players. There is work to do but we're capable of doing it and have the resources to if we hire the right manager.but you now say Wenger hasn't left us in bad shape!
Until Kroenke goes things can only get worse
The repositioning of your argument is what's disingenuous. So doing a 'Utd/Moyes' was more about the huge drop off in points? So our equivalent would mean a manger that has us deep in a relegation battle? That's what a 25 point drop off mean for us.
The discrepancy in points was never part of your argument. It was always about finishing outside of the CL spot and struggling to get back in. That's the position we find ourseleves in today.
As far as the infrastructure and resources, that's a different argument. We're looking good in those areas but I wouldn’t attribute that to Wenger either.
You seem to be trying to argue with me about two different things at once which is very confusing. Let's focus on where we are now and what state Wenger has left us in.
Season before the one just gone we finished outside the top 4 for the first time in Wenger's reign, we we a couple of points away - actually had we got that point total this year we would have been in the top 4.
This is the only year we've been nowhere near the top 4, mostly because of our mysteriously bad away form. I believe the squad, while needing some work, is capable of much better so I wouldn't say that aspect of the club is in too bad shape.
I don't think it is a different argument, it's part of the same discussion. The infrastructure and resources are absolutely part of the what shape a club is in.As far as the infrastructure and resources, that's a different argument. We're looking good in those areas but I wouldn’t attribute that to Wenger either.
Who do you attribute it to if not Wenger? Not saying he is solely responsible but the success he brought in the early years is a big factor.
The medical staff appointments, Sven, Raul and the recent firing of the old backroom hangers on has nothing to do with Wenger. If we had kept to Wenger’s vision where we didn’t have a Director of Football and more staff taking on key roles, we’d have been in a much worse state. Wenger has played his part in helping to save money but he’s also been responsible for blowing money. Besides the waste in the transfer window, we missed out on getting £50m-£60m for Sanchez. The wage bill is bloated. We have an ageing squad. Aubameyang, Ozil and Mkhitaryan are 28/29. As seen with Kos, Merts and Santi, their fitness and performances may fall off a cliff once they’ve hit 30. Besides Lacazette, the players in their mid 20s are of questionable quality. Ramsey, Welbeck, Wilshere, Xhaka, Mustafi, Kolasinac, Elneny. None of them are consistent performers and most of them don’t the skillset to be become world class and carry the team. The defence is terrible and the better players are well past their prime.
We’re on shaky territory. Some parts are really good and should appeal to any manager but other areas are bad and it may limit us on who we can attract for the role. I don’t think we can roll out the red carpet for just anyone with experience. Some of the candidates available aren’t that great and represent as much as a risk as someone with little experience, like Arteta.
NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.