Can you not even comprehend the mutual exlusiveness of your different positions? You're convinced Arteta is a certain type of person based on watching him on TV yet you dismiss my observations of him and Xhaka, based not just on TV but actually during live games which I attend and you don'tOriginally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
Seriously at least try to.be convincing...
What is all this about? Xhaka has left the club and his leaving won't cause any adverse effect provided he is adequately replaced. That's all there is surely? The whole teacher's pet idea went out the window as Xhaka left through the door. When you only have one player with balls then sure, you have to play him. Calling him out for putting his teammates in jeopardy on the pitch is like saying he fit right in. Pointless argument that has now been thoroughly debunked.
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What I’m saying is what I say about Arteta should be obvious to anyone with even a basic understanding of human behaviour. And you can’t even get that right, you’ve claimed that Arteta is someone who lacks confidence…quite the opposite. Whilst he lacks the ability to interact and form ordinary human relationships (and the ones he forms are obviously insincere), he is incredibly sure of himself to the point of hubris….he absolutely doesn’t need reassurance from a brown noser.
I’m inclined to say you have seen nothing in the matches you’ve been to that have led you to that conclusion, whilst I’ve been to fewer than yourself I’ve certainly not seen any such thing.
And by that I don’t mean you’ve misinterpreted what you’ve seen, I mean you haven’t seen it. You are making the fundamental mistake of believing because you think a player is shit there can only be one possible explanation for why three different coaches would play him. I think he was shit too, I think they were mistaken….but I can see the validity to aspects of his game…some of his long range passing and the way he contributes to attacking build up (not for me anywhere enough to overlook his deficiencies) that they chose to play him for that reason.
But you’re doubling down on your belief by lying about what you’ve seen. And you will get all defensive about this “don’t fucking tell me what I have or haven’t seen”. And it will be all be very convincing, but it will be a performance because you know you’re lying. You don’t suffer from hallucinations so you haven’t seen Granit Xhaka being a teacher’s pet or anything that would lead you to the conclusion that he might be anymore than you’ve seen Gunnersaurus blasting away at people in the stands with a 12 guage pump action shotgun. You’ve included this nugget, because you don’t want to let your assertion go and you can’t stand it being ridiculed by me…because you think I’m a massive hypocrite in doing so
All this comes down to ultimately is you saying “if you say something it’s reasonable, when I say it it’s not” and again this is more about you getting upset because you don’t like being ridiculed…tough titty.
It’s perfectly ok for me to assert what I like about Arteta if I think it’s valid, and demean and ridicule others if I think what they say isn’t.
If you think what I say lacks validity, ridicule it…what do I care?. Just don’t try and use your getting emotional over me ridiculing you, to police my responses to you….it won’t work.
Last edited by HCZ_Reborn; 10-07-2023 at 04:49 AM.
I can assure you I don't feel remotely ridiculed, I'm just bemused at how worked up someone can get when someone else cares to make an assertion based on exactly the same kind of evidence used by you - and yet simply because you don't agree you have to go on a crusade about it
Everythig I've written about your attitiude has been in response to things you've said about mine - in other words, you started it
Last edited by Mac76; 10-07-2023 at 11:08 AM.
I can assure you I don't feel remotely ridiculed, I'm just bemused at how worked up someone can get when someone else cares to make an essertion based on exactly the same kind of evidence and yet simply because you don't agree you have to go on a crusade about it
Everythig I've written about your attitiude has been in response to things you've said about mine - in other words, you started it
The reason these arguments continue is because you keep getting precious about me ridiculing you.
“Why is it ok for you to make assertions and me not?” If you weren’t getting worked up, why would you give a shit?
Plus I’ve explained the material difference, mine is a reading of body language and behaviour that anyone can make and yours is lying because it’s easier to do that than admit that you can’t see how someone would disagree with you about a player you think is shit, therefore you construct a fictitious narrative with the only basis in reality being that Arteta has past form for falling out with difficult players (which actually doesn’t necessitate favouring obsequious ones)
Beyond that, I can’t really do anymore to enlighten your bemusement. But as I’ve said to you, I’ve said to many other people and I suspect will say to many others…I don’t take responsibility for your inability to comprehend.
Who cares who started it?….it’s not particularly serious. Whilst I’m saying what I think, I’m not doing it with any animus.
Even if arsenal sign all the players they're expected to, Partey remains the best player at the club. It's an observable fact, ffs. Only Odegaard is on a similar level.
Some of you are unbelievably fuckin stupid, man. Actually hurts to read some of your drivel.
Finally getting a taste of what the rest of us feel when we read your nonsense
I'm still fascinated about what will happen with Kane.
There are THREE possible outcomes this summer :
Stays AND signs a new contract.
Stays but does not sign a new contract and leaves for free next summer.
Leaves this summer.
Any one of the above could happen. He is stupid we all know that, but I doubt he is stupid enough to sign a new contract, certainly not yet, if ever.
Does he really want to go abroad ?
Does he really want to go to Man Utd ? Can they afford him ?
Does he really want to be reunited with Poch at Chelsea ? I doubt it.
I cannot see how Levy can allow him to leave for free, which surely means he will have to be sold.
Levy has made a huge error letting it get to this stage. Did he really think Kane would sign a new deal a year ago ?
I hope he stays but does not sign a new contract so in 12 months time they will be in the shit.
TBH it feels like the whole world is going crazy with all the transfer speculation I am seeing.
Even if arsenal sign all the players they're expected to, Partey remains the best player at the club. It's an observable fact, ffs. Only Odegaard is on a similar level.
Some of you are unbelievably fuckin stupid, man. Actually hurts to read some of your drivel.
Watching Partey marauding when on form feels like a gift, so easy on the eyes. I get the Odegaard comparison.
Sad to see the consensus on here seems to be "get rid and start from scratch". Like I said earlier, it really feels like some of us don't want to win anything next season and are ready to pushout the familiar excuses. Just my 2 cents on this.
Last edited by 21_GOONER_SALUTE; 10-07-2023 at 02:15 PM.
If he stays fine, no issue
But as long as we sign a decent replacement I’m not going to lose any sleep if he goes.
Comparisons to Vieira are silly. It wouldn’t take much to get an upgrade on Partey who at 30 won’t get any better and quite possibly isn’t as essential to the team as you assume.
We have at the moment a squad that is worth quite considerably in excess of what we paid for them.
I’m going to be nice, despite your usual tendency to “if you don’t agree with me on this you lack ambition” shtick
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