Samir "The Weasel" Nasri - The Epitome of Wenger's Failings!!!

[Power n Glory]

when needed, ie in a situation like now when there are difficulties. what was the CEO's remit when he joined? to take the responsibility away from the manager. do you believe the man heading up the business unit of the club would not have the final say? I think you are being naive really.

he said 'you have to extend the contract after two years' which they tried to do.

amazingly you are putting this at the door of the manager when there are others who do the job and make the final call. i guess it's easier to do that

So you think Wenger got a call to step in few weeks ago and Gazidis let months go before informing Wenger of the situation?

Wenger is talking about contracts being renewed in the first year when a player is on a four year deal and if it goes beyond two years the club may have to consider selling the player.

So, after the talks stall and we've gone beyond the 24 month period, what next? If Fergie can get up and talk some sense into his player and the Board, why can't Wenger.

Two of his first team players have one year left on their contracts and it will effect him and the team morale. Wenger knew about the situation and he chose to drop both Clichy and Nasri for a few games like he did with Cole, Edu, Wiltord and Lauren when their contract talks weren't going so well. That's what he chose to do.

[Kano]

i reckon he got involved once it became clear nasri and more importantly his agent were stalling late last year. perhaps they were making the right noises but the money issue was the sticking point which meant it dragged on. so we shouldve sold him then you think, right in the middle of his best patch? im sure the fans wouldve seen the business sense there...

wenger is talking about negotiating and negotiating all the time, which in his politician talk is double speak, it doesnt mean much and is vague. realistically you cannot do that.

the club have a wage structure well known to us all that wenger supports. do we know what nasri wants? not really, so 'speaking sense to the board' means nothing.

[Power n Glory]

Yes, Wenger talks rubbish and can't be trusted. All his talk is hot air. And you wonder why fans clamp down on him. Don't give the impression that you're in control of things if you're not.

Nasri may be asking for over £100k, we're getting rid of Bendtner and Denilson this season so we can afford it. If we can't, sign him up, keep his valuation high and then sell him when we're back in control. It's that simple.

[Power n Glory]

For the record, I think Wenger has been kept up to date with the contract talks from day one, in any organisation you have weekly and monthly meetings with your peers and superiors. This wasn't a last minute dot com job.

But, Wenger as usual took a gamble and hoped our success in the league and silverware would resolve the issue and players would sign their contracts. That didn't happen and now here we are.

[Kano]

once they break the wage structure then it's open day for everyone else so that won't happen. they have a policy and rightly or wrongly they will be sticking to it.

i'm sure wenger knew from the first day but wasnt involved. there is a big difference. you are still talking as if wenger pushes the button on financial decisions, when clearly the CEO of a company makes the call

[Power n Glory]

And what wage structure is Cesc on?

[Super Ghel]

when needed, ie in a situation like now when there are difficulties. what was the CEO's remit when he joined? to take the responsibility away from the manager. do you believe the man heading up the business unit of the club would not have the final say? I think you are being naive really.

he said 'you have to extend the contract after two years' which they tried to do.

amazingly you are putting this at the door of the manager when there are others who do the job and make the final call. i guess it's easier to do that

Yup, spot on. Also, just because certain negotiations are not made public, does it mean it doesn’t exist? What’s ironic is how people can equate a remark of “Wenger coming in when needed” as the equivalent of him having the final say of contract negotiations, which in Nasri’s case, is clearly a wages issue!

If anything, the article goes to illustrate the opposite, in fact it’s other people in the club who’re responsible for such things. To me, “Wenger coming in when needed” is more likely a scenario whereby negotiations have presumably stalled and he tries his best to cajole Nasri into understanding the club’s position and perhaps even ask the board to up the wages offer a little. But that doesn’t mean the board or whoever has the final veto will agree!! Cashley anyone? Yes, when Rooney accuses the club of ‘lacking ambition’ and ultimately got what the wages he wanted, does that mean Wenger can persuade the club to do the same? We already see in Cashley’s case the board can play extreme hardball with £5k per week, what makes us think it’s any different now?

[Super Ghel]

And what wage structure is Cesc on?

Somewhere in the region of £110- 120K? Do you know Glen Johnson earns more than him? Dunno if I can find the info but I'll go and search for it later tonight.

[Power n Glory]

Cole eventually got the wages he wanted but after agreeing to let him go if he still wasn't happy after signing a new deal.

[selassie]

Yup, spot on. Also, just because certain negotiations are not made public, does it mean it doesn’t exist? What’s ironic is how people can equate a remark of “Wenger coming in when needed” as the equivalent of him having the final say of contract negotiations, which in Nasri’s case, is clearly a wages issue!

If anything, the article goes to illustrate the opposite, in fact it’s other people in the club who’re responsible for such things. To me, “Wenger coming in when needed” is more likely a scenario whereby negotiations have presumably stalled and he tries his best to cajole Nasri into understanding the club’s position and perhaps even ask the board to up the wages offer a little. But that doesn’t mean the board or whoever has the final veto will agree!! Cashley anyone? Yes, when Rooney accuses the club of ‘lacking ambition’ and ultimately got what the wages he wanted, does that mean Wenger can persuade the club to do the same? We already see in Cashley’s case the board can play extreme hardball with £5k per week, what makes us think it’s any different now?

I think some of us are looking at the Nasri situation with red tinted glasses on. Nasri may actually have sporting ambitions to go and play somewhere to win things, sorry but that's the sad reality and the state of our current affairs, we're not winners, we don't win anything.

Of course money plays a part, but IMHO Nasri has a higher chance of winning things at 2...maybe 3 clubs in PL and a number of clubs on the continent.

I do think there is some truth in his demands about wanting to see if Arsene sufficiently strengthens the squad. Of course I don't like the way he (Nasri) is acting...but that's the harsh reality of the situation we're in.