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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    The problem is nobody knows or can define financially constricted or limited spend. We're financially restricted in comparison to Chelsea & Citeh because they have unlimited funds so to speak, but are we really that restricted compared to everybody else.

    That quote from Ivan just backs up what everybody already knows anyway, Arsene sets his valuation on a player & if the selling club wants more Arsene wont entertain the deal.
    Ivan was asked if AW could be disentangled from the financial process of buying players, he said AW couldn't because the club didn't work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budesonide View Post
    sure, if that's what you call stating facts and repeating them to those who keep ignoring them.
    i think the message might just be in your signature

    but i could be wrong

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    I've got signatures blocked anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the impression I got from watching the AST interview was that:

    We have to be "efficient" in the transfer market

    We have a limited budget for new players, have to live within our means

    We have a one time fund for purchases (IE, we can't spunk +20mill on players every window, we may do it this summer because FFP starts next season)

    And that includes consideration on wages, fee's and everything else as there's no distinction as far as the board is concerned. So 2 10mill player signings takes about 30mill from whatever kitty we had.

    Seemed quite depressing to hear actually.

    what, so efficient means spending 30million on stop gaps for seriously deficient areas of the squad on 5 nobodies and paying them handsomely to deliver nothing?

    over the last 5 seasons you are saying we couldn't have spent at least 25mil on a top striker or defender? And if we did that wouldn't be efficient?
    ‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

    The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Ivan was asked if AW could be disentangled from the financial process of buying players, he said AW couldn't because the club didn't work that way.
    And the reason a growing number of folks don't want AW involved in the negotiations is because his record in the market over the past few seasons has been pretty shoddy.

    In fact it's been reported we've missed out on a few let's say "higher profile" targets because of AW's absolute belief that a player is overpriced by a few million or whatever the price is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budesonide View Post
    yeah I guess, paying over-the-top for quality is a waste.
    Well yeah. By definition paying over the top for anything is a waste.

    Not a total waste, but the more over the top, the more the waste.

    I can't speak for TG but I'd be surprised in the sense of: "HOLY FUCK THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, DUDE!"

    And surprised that he'd be willing to go anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Ivan was asked if AW could be disentangled from the financial process of buying players, he said AW couldn't because the club didn't work that way.
    Let's be realistic: If Wenger were disentangled from the financial analysis of the cost/benefit of a particular player, he would become no better than us fans, who put forward the names of players we would love to see playing for Arsenal but who have absolutely no idea of the total cost (transfer fee, wages, legals fees, etc.) of said players, and how they will fit into the overall financial strategic plan of the club.
    While all answers are responses, not all responses are answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Ivan was asked if AW could be disentangled from the financial process of buying players, he said AW couldn't because the club didn't work that way.
    Not quite. He said that the valuation of players and what they were worth to us as well as other clubs required input from the manager and for a club to do that without involving the manager would not make sense, which is why we worked that way.

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    so you are saying some real block-heads do not see that then? And they keep repeating what they want to believe?

    Oh, I forgot -- it's goonersweb.
    Last edited by budesonide; 14-06-2011 at 03:46 PM.
    ‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’

    The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toronto Gooner View Post
    Okay, who and when was the last top level player that Man U bought?
    Smalling
    Lindegaard
    Bebe
    Hernandez
    Obertan
    Diouf

    Valencia
    Owen
    Man United already have the quality in there squad, look at their trophy cabinet. They by in large don't need Hollywood buys because they already have top quality players in there squad.

    We have much more of a pressing need to spend on Qulaity than them, that much is obvious.

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