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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
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    It helps us because if I've understood right it's the total number of deaths - it says "all cause". The black line is the actual numbers.
    You get a spike every winter, but not like this.
    This isn't just like a normal flu season and the people on the front line I've seen talking about this attest to that.
    But, it's not the Spanish flu either. I don't think things should return to normality immediately, but neither do I think this level of restrictions to our life and to business is warranted.
    I know the black line shows the actual (meaning corrected) numbers. And I showed you how they labeled that graph. Their label, not mine.

    The ONS data shows an unfiltered and significant spike in excess deaths accounted for by patients WITH COVID19 (I gave the link a couple of posts earlier). WITH, not FROM. The tests they are using have been reported to be up to 80% unreliable. An even larger number of excess deaths is unaccounted for, as was the case last week. These coincide with last weeks pleas by the government and media for patients with illnesses other than COVID19 to attend hospital for vital treatment. This after they previously begged people to stay away from hospitals and even GP surgeries. Senior figures in the health profession, government and particularly the media need to be held to account for this calamitous incompetence.

    No significant excess in Northern Ireland, btw. Has anyone tried to find out why?

    When did the lockdown begin? 23rd March. What is the incubation period of the virus? 1-14 days, with the majority of cases 5 days. Therefore, if these new figures are correct and they are at least in half attributable to COVID19, the lockdown has had little to no no effect. Correct? The UK's peak has not yet been reached, apparently. But we should have seen a huge drop in cases, if all the measures being taken are effective. They are starting to expose themselves with their own numbers and they can't classify enough deaths as COVID19 related to cover-up the real and developing toll from this crisis.

    The lockdown was a very serious mistake. One that I was in favour of at the outset (though not total lockdown and jackboot coppers) so I'm not pointing fingers here, just making an observation based on data we have now but didn't have then. What I can't tolerate though and what I will most certainly point a finger at is Ferguson's latest hackery and fraud over at Imperial College. And Gates' fearmongering bullshit. Both should be in prison. And so should most of the senior figures from mainstream media who have deliberately made this as fearful and confusing as possible. Everything they have claimed thus far has turned out the be wrong. But rather than admit it, they have manipulated the data to force it to fit their earlier claims, and they can't even manage that now the lockdown has started to have such a dreadful non-COVID related cost.

    And this is just the start. The lockdown will have compromised the immune systems of almost the entire population. Normal human contact has almost been eradicated. High intensity disinfection has been the norm for weeks. Any microbiologist or virologist will tell you where this is going to lead. Far more deaths than any coronavirus could have ever inflicted. Then there are the mental health issues, the alcoholism, the drop-off in activity and exercise, every bad outcome the health services have warned against for decades, all presenting in mass over a short timespan. Then the economic hit. The real peak that is yet to come. All caused by mass panic and instinctive authoritarianism, not a virus. And then heavily manipulated by those seeking to monetise the crisis. Why this should be viewed as a conspiracy theory is a mystery to me. We all saw Bush and Blair and the media lie their arses off about Iraq. It's not as if these types of people aren't evil enough to profit from the misery of others. They have done it many times before. But now it's a conspiracy theory to suggest they will do it again.

    And for every story a doctor can tell about being over stretched, another will tell you he has nothing to do and is wandering an empty hospital. In fact doctors and staff in some regions are now being moved out of empty COVID wards and into the general wards because of the upsurge in patients there. Not all hospitals I suppose, maybe. But I was in probably the most COVID19 focused hospital in the country last week and I can tell you, I saw no abnormal activity there. The medical staff weren't even social distancing. Didn't see the whole hospital, maybe there was a furious crisis going in behind the closed doors of the COVID section. But I did see the staff emerging from those places and they weren't tumbling onto the ground exhausted. Rather they seems quite calm and unstressed. Their main complaint seemed to be they could no longer walk through the hospital to reach various other departments (and particularly the shops) but had to exit on to the street and walk the long way around. It was strange. If there was a crisis unfolding there then they did a very good job of concealing it.

    Another bizarre exposure by the data is this "peak" business. Many nations, including several in Europe, simply haven't experienced a peak. Just a steady rate of cases. It seems to be the major economic powers in Europe and the US that have been hit hardest. No conclusions can be drawn from that yet, and I'm resisting the urge to theorise until I find the evidence. But very odd indeed.

    This as the social media platforms censor everything that goes against the mainstream narrative. So we can't chat in pubs and if we post wrongthink online it gets taken down or "fact checked" by extremist left wing political organisations.

    It's almost as if the state doesn't want its citizens communicating with each other. A bit like they do in China. That would be the same China that murdered and disappeared doctors who tried to warn everyone about this virus before the CCP allowed the movement of millions before declaring an emergency. The same CCP Bill Gates is carrying water for in the media today. The same China he runs his Microsoft slave labour operation out of. But the media doesn't have time to focus on that because they are too busy firing up RussiaGate III - Trump Colludes with China. Honestly, you couldn't invent this shit with the wildest imagination.

    Historians are going to have a field day with this period. If Google doesn't delete it all first.

    There's plenty going on here, behind the scenes, unreported by the "investigative" journalists in the legacy media. But isn't there always?

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/23/...talitarianism/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    meanwhile the Daily Maul shows us why it's no better than any other source of fake news

    https://twitter.com/jamescracknell/s...95457033379843
    Who said it was? But they do seem to have become even worse after signing that big content deal with China.

    Funny Twatter post:

    Britain's newspapers are struggling to continue in circulation. It costs less than a cup of coffee, so could I please ask everybody to do their bit to help journalism in the UK.

    And buy that coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    I know the black line shows the actual (meaning corrected) numbers. And I showed you how they labeled that graph. Their label, not mine.
    I'm not clear why the label matters. The graph simply shows the number of deaths per week over the last few years. Not deaths "from" anything, just the total number. There's a spike every winter, but not like this. I know you don't like the BBC but they're just quoting the ONS here:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52361519

    It's the highest death rate for 20 years (which begs the question what happened 20 years ago).
    The label is just about the text on the graph which shows each year what the dominant flu type was that year. But that doesn't matter, the black line is simply total number of deaths and the statistics this year are pretty clear. Given that around 5,000 a year have been dying in hospital from this thing that's clearly a big factor in the spike. This isn't looking like a regular flu season.

    No significant excess in Northern Ireland, btw. Has anyone tried to find out why?
    Reasonable question. They have had a few hundred deaths there but you'd expect more if the per million numbers were consistent.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52421773


    When did the lockdown begin? 23rd March. What is the incubation period of the virus? 1-14 days, with the majority of cases 5 days. Therefore, if these new figures are correct and they are at least in half attributable to COVID19, the lockdown has had little to no no effect. Correct?
    It's hard to know what effect, if any, the lockdown has had. Sweden are the poster boys for no lockdown and their curve is flattening. Ours is too but it's certainly arguable that we didn't need to go so nuclear. But their deputy prime minister has been at pains to explain that just because they didn't do a full lockdown, that doesn't mean no measures were taken at all. Looking at the numbers I don't know why anyone is asserting we haven't hit the peak. Our infection and death numbers have both levelled off, death rate actually looks like it's going down.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

    Of course, what we can't know is what the numbers would have looked like had we not gone into lockdown. I don't know if the lockdown was a mistake, I think they had to be seen to be doing something. But I do believe the time has come to start easing the restrictions. I wouldn't advocate going back to normal, that is asking for the infamous second spike. But let more businesses open up, let people go out more. Personally I don't think I'll commute for a while even if I was able to, but it would be nice to start visiting friends and family. None of us have symptoms, we haven't been going out enough for it to be likely that we'd have caught anything. I don't believe meeting up is going to kill us all.

    The lockdown will have compromised the immune systems of almost the entire population. Normal human contact has almost been eradicated. High intensity disinfection has been the norm for weeks. Any microbiologist or virologist will tell you where this is going to lead. Far more deaths than any coronavirus could have ever inflicted.
    Hmm. Obviously I'm no expert but my guess is that this hasn't gone on long enough to cause big problems there. May be wrong.
    Agreed about the mental health thing though. I'm pretty level headed and I had a wobble a while back when MrsL couldn't get food. It did have a physical effect on me for a while. I don't think the lockdown has been long enough to seriously affect people's physical health.
    And yes, we are aligned about the economy. That's the thing which will have effects which will last years, things are already pretty bad, they'll be completely fucked if they don't let business open soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post

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    yes i saw that too - excellent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    now we're talking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Wish our pie shop would open. I miss being insulted by their incredible rude staff. Wandering around town everything is either closed or bankrupt, or both. Apart from Waitrose and Dominos, which both seem to be doing quite well. Can't even get a brand new product from a charity shop that is taking advantage of charity rules to undercut other retailers. Estate agent is closed too, so can't buy a house either. Pretty fucked up in my town, all in all.
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    It's the highest death rate for 20 years (which begs the question what happened 20 years ago).
    This week the excess deaths crossed the 2018 threshold. So everything that went before is statistically in line with normality when you smooth it out over 20 years. But that's not the key issue. I think any reasonable person would now agree, based on government statistics and government protocols, the death toll from COVID19 has been, let's be generous, inflated. So even if we don't go with Italy's 12.5% correlation and instead settle on 50%, which is wildly generous, deaths FROM COVID19 are statistically insignificant across a non-truncated timeline.

    Certainly we've suffered a flu-like virus, on top of the usual season flu virus, that has caused excess deaths. That can't be argued against based on the real data, as opposed to the stinking shit being shovelled by Imperial College. And I get why it's a problem when 2 strains of flu arrive together. Even under normal circumstances the seasonal flu can stretch the underfunded health system. So double it and we have a problem. I get that much and don't disagree with it.

    But then you have to consider the overall jump in excess deaths. That is most certainly significant. Have the "guided by science" politicians just killed a lot of people in the short term (non-Covid cases who avoided hospital) and in the long term (economic)? It appears to be the case. I even view the situation the politicians (who I hate most passionately) found themselves in was lose, lose. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. But I wish there had been a brain cell amongst them.

    What I want to know is what's going to be done about the science they were following? That murderous, callous, despicable, illogical, unscientific, paid-off, bribed and corrupted "science"?
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    At least there is some good news in all of this. Tony Blair's Institute for Global rape Change has informed us that total invasion of privacy and a surveillance state that would make Orwell jealous is a price worth paying and represents a victory as opposed to a capitulation.

    Well if Tony says it it must be true.

    https://institute.global/policy/pric...ainst-covid-19

    Hopefully he will get the most painful form of cancer quite soon and die very, very slowly. I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean it in a way that would be a victory.
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    Roxanne Bamford, Hermione Dace, Benedict Macon-Cooney, Chris Yiu.

    If you would be so kind, drop dead.

    During this crisis a business partner approached me with a no questions, payment up front, $100,000 proposition to do something. I won't go into the details other than to say it would have taken advantage of the crisis and exploited our NHS.

    Now I know I'm a stupid cunt for not taking the cash - because nobody else really gives a fuck, and when I said no the next guy jumped on it and is now that much richer in money (if not self respect).

    Not a virtue signalling operation. I genuinely felt sick when I heard the proposal. Not because I give a shit about YOUR kids, in all honesty, hand on heart, I can't say I do. But I give a shit about MY kids and I realise MY kids are the same as YOUR kids when it comes to being exploited by sub-human fucks.

    So going back to Blair's team. Roxanne Bamford, Hermione Dace, Benedict Macon-Cooney, Chris Yiu. My question to you is:

    Why?

    Either you genuinely believe in Blair's project, in which case you are evil. Or else you know all about Blair, but do it anyway. In which case you are evil.

    You evil fucks. Like I said. Drop dead.

    Reasonable?
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