Good Bye RVP!

[Özim]

RVP only has one career, why would he choose to sit and play for a team and manager that have shown they're incapable of winning trophies, you can't blame one player for lack of success....success is down to a whole team and requires every part of that team to be right, if you have 2-3 top players and some average to below average ones who also lack the hunger you're not going to win anything.

I can totally see where's he's coming from, he's been at the club for a long time and has seen the methods fail time after time (which you can see from the players reactions is soul destroying to watch), when discussing change with club it seems they've been unwilling to change a losing formula in any way, there's only so long a player can believe in this failing policy.

His contract is running down (our fault as we chose not to tie him down, you might argue it's down to his injuries but that's tough luck, part and parcel of the game the injuries aren't his fault after all) and he's coming up to the last few years of his career at the top and it's totally understandable that he'd want to try his hand somewhere else, at a club who do have a genuine chance of winning and don't see a CL place as the holy grail.

I'm sorry but Wenger and co have had enough time to make this policy work, they haven't and yet they persist with it, if there are still believers out there, IMO they are delusional. If you want players to stay they have to believe in the vision, none of them do anymore and who can blame them!

[Power n Glory]

No they didn't. PnG tried making that link but was proven wrong.

If PHW didn't make that statement after the contract talks and if the club hadn't have made any other statement about RVP staying then you can say I'm wrong.

I'll give you another example of how some fans can be gullible and easily manipulated by the press. Take Theo Walcott's case. He hasn't said a thing in public about contract talks, the club haven't said anything either. But a few months ago, there was speculation about how much wanted to sign a new deal. A few Arsenal blog sites reported on it, it was mentioned on here and you could see the reaction. 'He can fuck if he wants £100k a week'...'He's not worth the money'.....the usual and that's without the club or player saying word.

Some people aren't so gullible and know it's mere speculation but the dialogue has already started and seed planted. The conversation is about whether or not Theo is worth a big contract and if he's asking for too much when nobody knows anything. If he moves to a bigger club and they will obviously pay him more than what we can offer, the assumption will be that the money was a sticking point. We will see if that's the case, but it's a clear example of how a discussion and ideas get sparked junk gets reported. Check the Theo thread now and you'll see a couple of comments sparked by some report about his wages.

The club were trying to pull a fast one with RVP and Wenger tried in months ago when he suggested you won't get value for money when offering a massive contract to player hitting his peak at 30. Why would he even suggest such a thing in public? Whose he speaking to? That's not a message for the player, that's prep for so the fans know we're not offering this player whatever he wants even though the media were hyping up the importance of keeping RVP and everyday we'd get a reminder about his contract situation and people saying the club needs to pay the man what he wants. Some of us were going along with that and saying we need to offer him a massive contract to stay and break the bank for him. Wenger's statement was an attempt to control the situation.

We all knew this day would come. It's a bad break up and we know the reasons why it's gone sour, but if people want to vent and shout abuse...whatever really. Again, when the dust settles, we'll all probably be in a more reflective mood.

[Özim]

If PHW didn't make that statement after the contract talks and if the club hadn't have made any other statement about RVP staying then you can say I'm wrong.

I'll give you another example of how some fans can be gullible and easily manipulated by the press. Take Theo Walcott's case. He hasn't said a thing in public about contract talks, the club haven't said anything either. But a few months ago, there was speculation about how much wanted to sign a new deal. A few Arsenal blog sites reported on it, it was mentioned on here and you could see the reaction. 'He can fuck if he wants £100k a week'...'He's not worth the money'.....the usual and that's without the club or player saying word.

Some people aren't so gullible and know it's mere speculation but the dialogue has already started and seed planted. The conversation is about whether or not Theo is worth a big contract and if he's asking for too much when nobody knows anything. If he moves to a bigger club and they will obviously pay him more than what we can offer, the assumption will be that the money was a sticking point. We will see if that's the case, but it's a clear example of how a discussion and ideas get sparked junk gets reported. Check the Theo thread now and you'll see a couple of comments sparked by some report about his wages.

The club were trying to pull a fast one with RVP and Wenger tried in months ago when he suggested you won't get value for money when offering a massive contract to player hitting his peak at 30. Why would he even suggest such a thing in public? Whose he speaking to? That's not a message for the player, that's prep for so the fans know we're not offering this player whatever he wants even though the media were hyping up the importance of keeping RVP and everyday we'd get a reminder about his contract situation and people saying the club needs to pay the man what he wants. Some of us were going along with that and saying we need to offer him a massive contract to stay and break the bank for him. Wenger's statement was an attempt to control the situation.

We all knew this day would come. It's a bad break up and we know the reasons why it's gone sour, but if people want to vent and shout abuse...whatever really. Again, when the dust settles, we'll all probably be in a more reflective mood.

It's never the clubs' fault, this despite us going through the same thing every summer. It's that players a greedy, disloyal, selfish.

If you want players to stay give them something to stay for and I'm not just talking about money.

[Joker]

If PHW didn't make that statement after the contract talks and if the club hadn't have made any other statement about RVP staying then you can say I'm wrong.

I'll give you another example of how some fans can be gullible and easily manipulated by the press. Take Theo Walcott's case. He hasn't said a thing in public about contract talks, the club haven't said anything either. But a few months ago, there was speculation about how much wanted to sign a new deal. A few Arsenal blog sites reported on it, it was mentioned on here and you could see the reaction. 'He can fuck if he wants £100k a week'...'He's not worth the money'.....the usual and that's without the club or player saying word.

Some people aren't so gullible and know it's mere speculation but the dialogue has already started and seed planted. The conversation is about whether or not Theo is worth a big contract and if he's asking for too much when nobody knows anything. If he moves to a bigger club and they will obviously pay him more than what we can offer, the assumption will be that the money was a sticking point. We will see if that's the case, but it's a clear example of how a discussion and ideas get sparked junk gets reported. Check the Theo thread now and you'll see a couple of comments sparked by some report about his wages.

The club were trying to pull a fast one with RVP and Wenger tried in months ago when he suggested you won't get value for money when offering a massive contract to player hitting his peak at 30. Why would he even suggest such a thing in public? Whose he speaking to? That's not a message for the player, that's prep for so the fans know we're not offering this player whatever he wants even though the media were hyping up the importance of keeping RVP and everyday we'd get a reminder about his contract situation and people saying the club needs to pay the man what he wants. Some of us were going along with that and saying we need to offer him a massive contract to stay and break the bank for him. Wenger's statement was an attempt to control the situation.

We all knew this day would come. It's a bad break up and we know the reasons why it's gone sour, but if people want to vent and shout abuse...whatever really. Again, when the dust settles, we'll all probably be in a more reflective mood.

Yeah there has been a propaganda campaign from the club to paint players as "greedy" to divert attention away from them. Theo has been completely professional to be fair to him, and yet the amount of venom aimed in his direction by fans has been extremely harsh. And yet we get PHW get away with disrespecting the fans at every opportunity.

It's a bit like a company that spreads lies about trade unions or workers' intransigence during an industrial dispute. We shouldn't swallow the BS being fed in our direction by the board, they're clearly taking us for a ride.

[Cripps_orig]

Even though he has disappointed lot of fans , RVP remain a force to be reckoned . He 's been injured through all his Arsenal career bar last season and yet managed to reach 100 goals . That is a fantastic achievement for an injury-prone player . On top of that he finished best player and scorer in the hardest league in the world , I bet you can't name anyone who can match .

There have been plenty of players who have been the best player and top scorer

As for RVP, expected him to leave as soon as he said he wont talk about contract til the summer so i'm used to the idea of him fucking off.

Hes a good plaer no doubt but at a time when he needed to show us the loyalty we have shown him, he stabs us in the back.

In short hes a ****. How big a **** depends on who he goes to

[Power n Glory]

And that's the other side of the coin. If VP wanted £150k per week for 4-5 years, would we be right in accepting that? Highly unlikely. Maybe that shows lack of ambition - it certainly shows a lack of faith (that he will a) stay healthy and b) not decline significantly in the next 2-3 years). I doubt VP would be seeking a 2 year extension, regardless of the money. That probably goes to the root of the impasse. Totally different issue with Fabregas who had his reasons for wanting to go and Nasri, who's a ****.

This is what I'm talking about. I'm curious to find out how we're discussing this point about the value of offering a 30 year old player a big contract. Were we talking like this when Bergkamp was in his final years with us and he had that awful season where he didn't know if it would be his last season with Arsenal? Did this come into considering when Henry was in contract talks with us? Adams? Keown? When did value for money in contracts become part of the discussion? What happened to wanting to keep our best players at the club so they can teach the youth the Arsenal way and become legends?

You've got Wenger talking about value for money and peak performance like these guys are race horses and then on the flip side you've got pricks like PHW making reference to players like Giggs and Scholes and using the word 'loyalty' when players choose to stay with their club from start to finish. It's hypocritical. Those Man Utd players are paid well for their services and they at least know that Fergie will treat them fairly and they'll also be paid well for their long service.

[Joker]

This is what I'm talking about. I'm curious to find out how we're discussing this point about the value of offering a 30 year old player a big contract. Were we talking like this when Bergkamp was in his final years with us and he had that awful season where he didn't know if it would be his last season with Arsenal? Did this come into considering when Henry was in contract talks with us? Adams? Keown? When did value for money in contracts become part of the discussion? What happened to wanting to keep our best players at the club so they can teach the youth the Arsenal way and become legends?

You've got Wenger talking about value for money and peak performance like these guys are race horses and then on the flip side you've got pricks like PHW making reference to players like Giggs and Scholes and using the word 'loyalty' when players choose to stay with their club from start to finish. It's hypocritical. Those Man Utd players are paid well for their services and they at least know that Fergie will treat them fairly and they'll also be paid well for their long service.

Again I agree, I remember the way we treated (badly, IMO) players like Pires, Edu and especially Bergkamp. This seems motivated by Wenger's strong belief that after 30 you're on a steep downward slope in terms of performance. Of course the penny pinching board were especially happy to oblige. Sometimes we're far too quick to criticise player "greed" when the genuine greed is upstairs.

[Alpha]

RVP only has one career, why would he choose to sit and play for a team and manager that have shown they're incapable of winning trophies, you can't blame one player for lack of success....success is down to a whole team and requires every part of that team to be right, if you have 2-3 top players and some average to below average ones who also lack the hunger you're not going to win anything.

I can totally see where's he's coming from, he's been at the club for a long time and has seen the methods fail time after time (which you can see from the players reactions is soul destroying to watch), when discussing change with club it seems they've been unwilling to change a losing formula in any way, there's only so long a player can believe in this failing policy.

His contract is running down (our fault as we chose not to tie him down, you might argue it's down to his injuries but that's tough luck, part and parcel of the game the injuries aren't his fault after all) and he's coming up to the last few years of his career at the top and it's totally understandable that he'd want to try his hand somewhere else, at a club who do have a genuine chance of winning and don't see a CL place as the holy grail.

I'm sorry but Wenger and co have had enough time to make this policy work, they haven't and yet they persist with it, if there are still believers out there, IMO they are delusional. If you want players to stay they have to believe in the vision, none of them do anymore and who can blame them!

RVP has been at the club long enough to know it . When he was injured he couldn't disagree with the policy of the club . Now that he has one full season injury-free , he " disagrees" and walks away . You can understand that it is simply a money-motivated agenda . What is sad is Van Persie was representing the value and moral of the current squad . He was the last player you would think he could defect from the team . The fans , the manager even the media trusted him in that aspect . It is very sad and very disappointing .

[Özim]

With regards us showing loyalty to RVP, let's be clear that even if we had released him clubs would have signed him up based on his talent. By not offering a new contract to him we'd have been the losers not him.

Had we really been that bothered we'd have signed him up well before this thus avoiding this issue, we didn't and just like many times before one of our top players barely has any time left on his contract.

We knew his contract was running down, we took a chance and we've paid the price.

[Power n Glory]

RVP has been at the club long enough to know it . When he was injured he couldn't disagree with the policy of the club . Now that he has one full season injury-free , he " disagrees" and walks away . You can understand that it is simply a money-motivated agenda . What is sad is Van Persie was representing the value and moral of the current squad . He was the last player you would think he could defect from the team . The fans , the manager even the media trusted him in that aspect . It is very sad and very disappointing .

When I heard RVP and Cesc went on holiday together, went to visit Henry and mentioned about what's important in football, I knew he was thinking along the same lines as Cesc and wasn't going to stay.

As for the injury thing that keeps getting mentioned...whose to say he isn't pissed about the way he's injuries have been handled here? Arshavin wasn't impressed with our medical staff and thought they handled him badly and looking over Wilshere's case and how he was rushed back, Cesc's last couple of seasons with his hamstring, when we rushed him back from injury and let him play for 90 minutes every game, the time it took for the club to diagnose Rosicky's injury problem, diagnose Diaby's injury problem....he might think our medical staff are poor. We've only just brought in new tech to assess a players fitness level and whether or not they are playing in the red. After RVP went to the Netherlands to see a specialist he was fine. I think our medical staff are rubbish and have contributed to some shit. JW's case is unforgivable. They crocked the kid.