Top 4 head to head

[Letters]

Quite simply, we were poor against all three away from home. Tactically naive, gutless and outplayed.

I thought we played well up at City and had the reffing been competent it would have been closer.
In the other games though we were hopeless, you can chalk one up as 'one of those days' but for it to happen again really isn't good enough.

[selassie]

Agree with that.

I'm not arguing these games aren't important but it's received wisdom that you can't do poorly in these games and win the title and while it makes it harder Liverpool are still top having performed very poorly in these games.

I agree with your point too. IIRC, Man Utd's record last season in the top 4 head to heads was pretty poor. Despite my open criticism of Wenger, I honestly don't think we are that far away. What disheartens me though is that I don't think we will do what we need to do to bridge the gap.

[Niall_Quinn]

1	Chelsea	6	5	1	0	4	1	13	2	+11	16	2.67
2	Manchester City	6	2	1	3	0	1	12	11	+1	7	1.17
3	Liverpool	6	2	0	4	0	2	10	11	-1	6	1.00
4	Arsenal	6	1	2	3	2	2	7	18	-11	5	0.83

Interesting. Chelsea miles ahead, and yet they're still relying on other teams slipping to win the league.
And while we're 'bottom' of the mini-league it's only a couple of points in it.
For all Liverpool's brilliance at times this year they've still lost 4 of the 6 head to heads.

I'm not sure what point I'm making really, I guess it's that the '6 pointers', while important, aren't the be all and end all.

I think the point you are trying to make is maureen is a whiny bitch who will say anything to try to distract from his mega-fuckups and bottling. In which case:

[Niall_Quinn]

I thought we played well up at City and had the reffing been competent it would have been closer.
In the other games though we were hopeless, you can chalk one up as 'one of those days' but for it to happen again really isn't good enough.

We were hopeless against Liverpool and Everton, fast asleep and deservedly trounced.

Against the gypos the officials were bent and modified the score, we deserved at least a draw in that one, both defences were shite and we were cutting the up just as easily as they were doing it to us. Liverpool did the same to them a couple of weeks back - they are overhyped shit, especially Kompany who has made more mistakes this year than Kolo. They may buy their way to a title because they have 3 multi million quid players for every position so they aren't affected by injuries and suspensions. Even then, if they do it they'll only scrape it, which is laughable and demonstrates clearly what a joke they are.

Against the chavs they hit a 1 in 100 moment where two of their nothing shitty strikers managed to get something on target, doubt it has happened since. Then the reffing farce where the wrong player was sent off and down to 10 you can't draw any conclusions.

Our worst 2 results, the draw vs Everton - started the downturn - and the 3-0 defeat against them, showed most of the players we have aren't up to the challenge and that's a problem that won't be overcome easily. Also showed the manager up as being negative, like a mild form of Mourinho cancer - trying to kill a game just because it can be killed, instead of going out to grab it and win it.

[Özim]

You can't play down those big defeats, they were both humiliating and embarassing and happened at a key time as well, defeats of that manner are enough to get rid of a manager alone.

It seems at this club we can kinda sweep them under the carpet by saying it was down to the refs, unlucky or just an off day.

We're seeing way too many of these big defeats these days, in the old days these came around once in a blue moon.

[Niall_Quinn]

You can't play down those big defeats, they were both humiliating and embarassing and happened at a key time as well, defeats of that manner are enough to get rid of a manager alone.

It seems at this club we can kinda sweep them under the carpet by saying it was down to the refs, unlucky or just an off day.

And you can play them up, which you never pass up the opportunity to do.

It seems at this club we can kinda sweep them under the carpet by saying it was down to the refs, unlucky or just an off day.

Literally one post later you ignore what's said and create new words instead. Then you criticise the words you invented. You don't really need other people for one of your conversations.

[Özim]

And you can play them up, which you never pass up the opportunity to do.



Literally one post later you ignore what's said and create new words instead. Then you criticise the words you invented. You don't really need other people for one of your conversations.

I mention them because they're unacceptable, there's no playing them down.

Actually I didn't mean to quote you, it was a general reply.

[Özim]

We were hopeless against Liverpool and Everton, fast asleep and deservedly trounced.

Against the gypos the officials were bent and modified the score, we deserved at least a draw in that one, both defences were shite and we were cutting the up just as easily as they were doing it to us. Liverpool did the same to them a couple of weeks back - they are overhyped shit, especially Kompany who has made more mistakes this year than Kolo. They may buy their way to a title because they have 3 multi million quid players for every position so they aren't affected by injuries and suspensions. Even then, if they do it they'll only scrape it, which is laughable and demonstrates clearly what a joke they are.

Against the chavs they hit a 1 in 100 moment where two of their nothing shitty strikers managed to get something on target, doubt it has happened since. Then the reffing farce where the wrong player was sent off and down to 10 you can't draw any conclusions.

Our worst 2 results, the draw vs Everton - started the downturn - and the 3-0 defeat against them, showed most of the players we have aren't up to the challenge and that's a problem that won't be overcome easily. Also showed the manager up as being negative, like a mild form of Mourinho cancer - trying to kill a game just because it can be killed, instead of going out to grab it and win it.

So what are you saying, our only really bad results are in fact against teams you kinda like and the results against the teams you don't like don't count?

[Niall_Quinn]

So what are you saying, our only really bad results are in fact against teams you kinda like and the results against the teams you don't like don't count?

There you go again, I said "worst", not "bad" - makes a huge difference in context and doesn't suggest for a minute the other losses were not "bad", when read properly (honestly). And liking Everton? Since when? I think you mean I don't hate them for fucking up football with their blood money. That would be true.

[Özim]

There you go again, I said "worst", not "bad" - makes a huge difference in context and doesn't suggest for a minute the other losses were not "bad", when read properly (honestly). And liking Everton? Since when? I think you mean I don't hate them for fucking up football with their blood money. That would be true.

Well yeah but you're saying the City loss should have been a draw (or deserved a draw, not sure there's any difference) and blaming it on the ref and the Chelsea one was unlucky cos it was a 1 in a 100 game and the ref screwed up.

We got hammered by Chelsea and it was in big part to our awful play to give their strikers the space other teams didn't give them, the game was over before the sending off.

There's a string of awful results in the last 4-5 years, heavyish defeats which seem to be happening much more frequently than before, 4-0's, 3-0s, 5-1s etc, in the past you only saw these once every few seasons.