You never know with Frimpong, if he gets enough games (and learns from it) he could become a beast perfect for crippling Scums and northern wankers.Originally Posted by JonasTC
You never know with Frimpong, if he gets enough games (and learns from it) he could become a beast perfect for crippling Scums and northern wankers.
somebody put something in my milk
When Ramsey was bought alot though he'd be the better player than Wilshere in the long term, he was really shining for the Welsh U21s. hes just fullfilling that prophecy tbh.
Meanwhile Wilshere relies on his merry band of Clive Tyldesleys, still harping back to that One Night In Barcelona
Basically Jack's a good player, but not to the level some of your think. Like some of you have said, his role on this team should be playing behind Ozil and Santi, and slightly ahead of Flamini, same as Ramsey.
For Jack and Ramsey for me, it's all about them keeping it simple.
Frimsting is not likely to make it here but I must say I am a little more comfortable with him on the bench than the Akpom's, Zelalem's(sp), Ryo's etc etc..... That said the general state of our first team cheerleaders bench is poor and it is painfully clear the manger is reluctant to use any of them in any situation. Queue the timely and routine sight of Monreal running on to the field as the game plays out.
There are different ways to play the number 10 role. Ozil's method is interesting because he is very willing and very good at taking up positions wide. If you saw a quick highlight of some of his games, you wouldn't know if he was a central midfielder or a winger. That is his edge over both Ramsey and Jack other than his acute precision and vision.
Ramsey's stats are phenomenal. In any given game he is making the most passes, successful tackles and making a habit of scoring. He has had the nous and energy to be able to harry the opponents deep in our own half yet get into goal scoring opportunities. Even with a player like Ramsey's fitness levels that requires an incredible ability to master and time your movement and positioning. Clearly it won't last forever but his is an extraordinary tale of progression.
If we had signed a player in the summer for 5 million 23 years old who had done what he is now, we would be rightfully commending the manager to the hills. Sorry. Turning this into a Rambo appreciation page. Although Sing is particularly in love with the bloke....
Jack would make his life so much easier if he just released the ball earlier. He picks up unnecessary injuries because he tries to bulldoze his way through.
this is our problem tbh. Gerrard is a terrible role model. Its not enough that he failed with England, hes now a Pied Piper of ineptness. Leading the children to a life of headless chickenness and "driving the team forward"."Steven is a great role model," Wilshere told the club's official website. "He has been the heartbeat of Liverpool for years. He has also been the stand-out performer for England as well. He is a great role model for me.
"He was someone I looked up to when I was younger. He has 100 caps for England. For any young midfielder he is someone to base your game on and try to be like him. If I can get anywhere near as good as him and drive the team forward like he does, then I will be happy."
Fabregas and Xavi had Guardiola to look up to. Maybe not as talented as Gerrard but a calm player who valued possession.
If somebody can sever him from Gerrards penis, and convince him he doesnt have the athleticism to be a Gerrard and that he could be better than Gerrard, we might be able to salvage a player.
Last edited by BOBN; 17-09-2013 at 07:29 PM.
he was a fine leader in ukraine the other week. I just littlebit sicked up in my mouth.
true though
Gerrard was a tremendous athlete and bigger and stronger than most other midfielders he came up against. Jack gets swatted around like a little fly. I wish Jack would look at Scholes as more of a role model, not just because they are of similar size but because I feel Jack has the talent to consistently control matches and dictate the tempo in ways Gerrard could not.
It's a good discussion seeing who would be an ideal role model for Wilshere.
I said it on AHFC over 6 months ago, but I see Bastian Schweinsteiger as the ideal role model for Ramsey. It sounded absurd to many at the time, but I do think they have many similarities in terms of style of play. Obviously Bastian is one of the best of our generation and is in many ways the ultimate midfield general, but I honestly believe Ramsey has the tools in his locker to fully develop into a similar kind of beast. The best thing about Bastian is he has no weakness. He is defensively solid in in the tackle, has great tactical positioning and awareness, flawless in possessing, a genius tactician and technically gifted enough to hurt any team in the final third. While Ramsey isn't at his level for any of these, he has made huge progress as an all round midfielder, and IMO will develop into a very complete package.
I wish I had as clear an idea of the path Wilshere is on. He currently seems directionless. I know he (and Rambo) will become his own player, but it would still be good if we had an idea of the sort of player he was shaping up to be.
Ramsey is becoming a massive physical presence.
In saying that, Jack and Ramsey will need to get their tactical acumen in balance so that they can play together.
I never understood the #10 thinking fans have for Jack when he is not a good goal scorer and does not create many chances.
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