Originally Posted by
Niall_Quinn
Honestly though, what the hell? Do I support Trump and have a scarf and posters up and shit? Not really. My position, as it has always been, is I would like to see the total eradication without trace of all government, wherever it metastasises. By logical extension, I don't support any politician on any issue ever, I'm against them in all instances because the very presence of a politician implies the presence of government. Surely this is clear enough?
However, the majority of people on this planet, for a variety of reasons, prefer to have a group of privileged individuals with enhanced and extended rights dictate to them. I don't know why that is, fear, complacency, lack of personal responsibility, lack of imagination, contempt for the species, self loathing, there are a lot of possible reasons. I am a libertarian so therefore I cannot seek to impose my will on others. And if those others all want government then I guess we're stuck with a fucking government. That's the reality of it.
The condition of government and particularly in nations such as the UK and the US where it is oversized, wasteful, unrestrained by law or even common decency, unrepresentative, authoritarian, self obsessed, duplicitous in its constitution whereby multiple parties masquerade as opponents while pursuing the same agendas, warlike, concerned with operating a two tier system of privilege for the few and penalties for the many, extortionary, and so on, cannot be denied and yet this is precisely what happens. This is facilitated through a compliant and pro-establishment media that shovels repetitive propaganda while claiming to be delivering news. The education system has long since been infiltrated by similar propagandistic elements.
The message of the establishment is ceaseless, prevalent in every aspect of life and designed for the purpose of maintaining the power and privilege for the controlling minority, the political class, the bureaucratic and technocratic civil service, the paramilitary and military leadership, approved business leaders and the rest. It is possible to gain access to this elite group over time by accumulating wealth. That has become the sole driving force of the nation, acquisition of wealth. As such, our society is broken, in serious decline and the progression of our species has been halted and is going into reverse. This is why I naturally detest government and its fellow travellers, because it is anti-humanitarian at the core and being a human being myself it seems counterproductive to support the most prominent mechanism by which I am constrained. A bit like refusing to be buddies with your kidnapper, I suppose.
Now along comes a hand grenade called Donald Trump. It doesn't matter what baggage he brings with him. It doesn't matter if he's as bad as the rest of them. It doesn't matter if he's a racist, a misogynist, none of that matters. I mean if any of that's true then it's obviously not nice, but it doesn't matter because that's what politicians are. The most vile examples of the species. A bit like your Kroenke and Usmanov I suppose. How do you end up in their position in the first place? By being stand-up humanitarians? Highly doubtful. They are what they are. But in Trump's case it only matters that he's a metaphorical hand grenade and he's just been tossed right into the middle of the previously unsinkable establishment.
When I see a grenade being lobbed at the thing I despise most and would most like to see annihilated then sue me, but I'm happy about that and long may it continue. 4 more years! 4 more years! Because if we just keep on doing the same thing over and over, electing the same shitty politicians so they can represent the desires of their mates over the will of the majority, we're the ones who are going to end up having to deal with real grenades and real bombs and real bloodshed. That's how it always ends when these fuckers have sucked every last drop out of the working man, and we are very close to that point now. The elites know it too and guess what their solution is? Even our carefully edited history books will give you that answer easily enough.
As for the liberals, well that's just hilarious. The fact so many people could cry and tear their hair and clothes and make a spectacle of themselves is funny. Admit it, it's fucking funny. But it's serious too because it shows that it's not just politicians who have big mouths and zero conviction. Most of these "democracy" types are just as bad. When it's going their way and the nice, comfortable, let's chase cash society is chugging along with the "out of sight, out of mind" under class getting fucked in the arse so the educated can cross on the other side of the road on their way to Waitrose, these cunts just gush with joy about all the bounties democracy bestows. But send it the other way, when there's the slightest hint their little dystopian utopia might be remodelled (even slightly) then they are out on the streets punching, spitting, trampling, smashing, shooting cops in the head because, you know, black lives matter and love trumps hate - YOU FUCKING WHITE MALE!
Come on, they are funny. Admit it. And sad. You have to be so fucking sad, deranged, clueless to make Republicans and Tories seem reasonable, but these loons manage it with distinction.
Anyway, no I don't support Trump and yes, I'm delighted he was elected and I hope he stays there as long as possible because, for sure, by the time he leaves the whole face of western politics will have changed. Changed for the better, changed for the worse? Well where we were heading with that vicious little cunt Clinton was the end of the line and there's little chance a Trump administration can go lower. You could dig Saddam's corpse up and brush off the maggots, prop him up and call him president and he'd still do a better job than Clinton and we'd still be alive by the end of his reign. So if the establishment (very reluctantly, LOL) said it's Trump or that cunt over there, well there was never any choice to be made, not if you wanted your kids to grow up. But I understand why people don't get that because I guess they are still watching the "news". Good news there too. Trump wading into the media establishment with a sledgehammer, that's bonus material.
As for Stan and Jabba, well if Jabba wanted to get Wenger out then get him in. He doesn't though so what would change if he came in? Nothing. Best bet with these two is wait until they die of old age.
You seem disconnected. Who are you talking to on a daily basis to come up with such assumptions? Prior to Trump, people weren’t comfortable with their lives, democracy or seeing what was happening around them. Say what you want about ‘Liberals’ (I’m uncomfortable using such labels because it’s more complex than that, but I’ll play along) but they were out in numbers to protest the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars and weren’t swayed by the media with each lie about weapons of mass destruction. When the truth was finally revealed, it wasn’t just a ‘liberal leftie/student’ protest. People from all walks of life were pissed after realising they had been duped. The mistrust for government and media started to seep in.
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