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[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

On one hand I think the petition is pretty pathetic, every President barring George HW Bush (wasn't in office long enough) since Ronald Reagan has been afforded a state visit.

However Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama were all two years into their term before hand, the fact that we are getting Trump over so soon shows desperation on our part, that we are reliant on his administration for a favourable trade deal after Brexit.

Trump is doing in office what he promised to do and what people elected him to do, like with everything he does totally insubstantive flashy and for show, crass and gaudy like the monstrosities he builds......but there you go.

He has a mandate for these pointless side shows so what can you do. I think any protest is counter productive because it will just make the fat mendacious windbag even more popular.

[Power n Glory]

Should people stay silent? I think that's the biggest problem we have in society. The petition may not result in a ban on Trump's visit but it's something at least.

[Letters]

I don't believe this petition will achieve much but agree with PnG, are people supposed to just keep quiet while Trump does all this horrible stuff?
The countries he's banned people from have a combined total of 0 terrorist deaths in the US linked to them in the last 4 decades. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia - where 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers came from - is not on Trump's list.
"Co-incidentally", Trump has a lot of business interests there.

[Niall_Quinn]

Deny him a state visit - why?

Because the media has made up a bunch of shit about a "Muslim ban" and Mo Farah wet his knickers until he finally did a bit of reading and found out he wasn't banned at all? Or because some Tory cunt thinks he can't visit his kids he's schooling in the states with money stolen from British workers? Or because some silly cunt Iranian can't read? Because corporations have been incentivised with a jackboot not to continue shitting on American workers and all it cost was upsetting some drug lord Mexican junta?

These ignorant and lazy fools signing pointless petitions need to read a bit wider than the propaganda sheets too. The very first (VERY FIRST) politician in living memory who is actually doing what he openly stated he was going to do and what he was elected to do has 1.1 million arseholes protesting the bloke. Staggering. Shows how much they really appreciate democracy. It's all good when their guy is pulling the strings but suddenly democracy is a pain in the arse when the other guy gets in. And people wonder why I don't vote. LOL. Well look at you now - you champions of democracy. Lecture me again on how complacent I am to have thrown away my democratic rights and duties. Hypo... hypo-what was it? What's that word?

Now here's something to think about, you morons. Within hours of Trump's executive order the British government was on the phone seeking assurances for British citizens. And they got all the assurances they requested. And now 1.1 million arseholes want to shut that line down? Yeah, that's going to help a whole bunch. Look, I get you're butt hurt about the election result, but enough to blow up the UK's relations with the US? Seriously. Grow up now and stop this whining. Enough's enough. There is plenty of shit to protest in this country without having to look overseas, but I don't see anyone protesting. I see them queuing like dutiful slaves while their jobs are shipped abroad, their savings decimated, their pensions raided, inflation running riot and their wages stagnating. And not a fucking whimper. Where's our Trump? Oh yeah, he's the bloke that campaigned his whole life to get us out of the undemocratic EU. He's the bloke everyone laughs at because... well there was this bus with 300mill on it, or he's a racist, or he hates lesbians. Sound familiar? Carry on queuing, you're beyond all hope.

Here's the thing. Whether you like it or not there's a growing majority that is sick of the status quo and a bunch of corrupt fucks swapping power so they can feed corrupt banks the wealth of nations while starving the people with austerity measures - our own structural adjustment programs that were BOUND to land here after the out of sight and out of mind third world was mercilessly pillaged. People are sick of it. And just because there's a body of society that will cower and whimper no matter how hard they are whipped does not mean everyone is too fearful to stand up. So get used to big changes because they are coming and sitting there crying is not going to bring nanny rushing like it used to. Because nanny is done. Hard fact of life but there you go. If you can't see this happening in front of your eyes then you must be wilfully blind.

So sign your petitions and see what that does for you.

Meanwhile, I posted up a way for you to act right now and yet the silence that is apparently unacceptable in relation to something you can't control is precisely what I got back when I gave you something you can actually act on that will have a real and immediate impact. It just reconfirms my long held believe we live in an all talk and no trousers society.

[Niall_Quinn]

On one hand I think the petition is pretty pathetic, every President barring George HW Bush (wasn't in office long enough) since Ronald Reagan has been afforded a state visit.

However Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Obama were all two years into their term before hand, the fact that we are getting Trump over so soon shows desperation on our part, that we are reliant on his administration for a favourable trade deal after Brexit.

Trump is doing in office what he promised to do and what people elected him to do, like with everything he does totally insubstantive flashy and for show, crass and gaudy like the monstrosities he builds......but there you go.

He has a mandate for these pointless side shows so what can you do. I think any protest is counter productive because it will just make the fat mendacious windbag even more popular.

If the US and UK can quickly agree the framework for a trade agreement then the EU is done once and for all. Almost every single prediction of doom cast about by the desperate Europhiles has been exposed as absolute bullshit, but there's one key element to still be resolved - this notion that trade deals are impossible hard to get done for independent nations. If Trump and May (and don't get me wrong, sometimes you have to settle for what's the only option on offer) can land a deal then that's a bullet to the head of the EU and everyone will be racing for the exits. There's no desperation on the part of the US and the UK, all the desperation is on the European mainland. Brexit is shaping up to be a triumph and a long overdue and obvious one.

[Power n Glory]

Meanwhile, I posted up a way for you to act right now and yet the silence that is apparently unacceptable in relation to something you can't control is precisely what I got back when I gave you something you can actually act on that will have a real and immediate impact. It just reconfirms my long held believe we live in an all talk and no trousers society.

People find it hard to accept advise from hypercritical loudmouths. - Politics.

[Niall_Quinn]

People find it hard to accept advise from hypercritical loudmouths. - Politics.

You want me to queue quietly?

Meanwhile, guess the Tory:

'We have to question whether, in Britain, this is something that Britain should be doing for a man who has no respect for women, disdain for minorities, little value for LGBT communities, no compassion for the vulnerable and whose policies are rooted in divisive rhetoric,'

LOL. I almost admire the bitch for being able to say that with a straight face. A tory lecturing people on their lack of compassion for the vulnerable? We live in crazy times, for sure.

[Power n Glory]

You want me to queue quietly?

Meanwhile, guess the Tory:

'We have to question whether, in Britain, this is something that Britain should be doing for a man who has no respect for women, disdain for minorities, little value for LGBT communities, no compassion for the vulnerable and whose policies are rooted in divisive rhetoric,'

LOL. I almost admire the bitch for being able to say that with a straight face. A tory lecturing people on their lack of compassion for the vulnerable? We live in crazy times, for sure.

Consistency would be nice. Right now, you’re arguing for us to maintain a relationship with the U.S for trade benefits. Should people ignore a blatant case of discrimination and carry on as usual? Crazy times indeed. If you’re anti-government I would have thought any act of defiance is a good sign.

[Letters]

The very first (VERY FIRST) politician in living memory who is actually doing what he openly stated he was going to do and what he was elected to do has 1.1 million arseholes protesting the bloke. Staggering. Shows how much they really appreciate democracy.

You think democracy means that because a result goes a certain way that means the debate is over and those who didn't get the result they wanted should all shut up and keep quiet? A vote goes a certain way so that's the end of the debate? Utter balls.

And literally in the next paragraph you say there is plenty in this country to protest about. But we have a democratically elected government here so why should anyone protest anything they do? They won. Get over it. Stop whining, right?
Not that either our system or the US one is a proper democracy anyway, Trump didn't even win the popular vote. More people voted for Clinton than Trump and yet Trump gets to sign the executive orders, and you think there's no cause for protest?

Yes, he is doing what he said, but what he said was a load of racist, xenophobic bigotry so understandably people aren't happy.
It's not a Muslim ban but it's a ban on people coming in from specific countries. Those countries may well have been identified by a different administration but where are the stats to show that people from those countries actually pose a risk?

As for "inflation running riot", can you back that up with some figures?

People are sick of the status quo but is the answer really someone equally corrupt just because he happens not to have a history in politics? We have a corrupt business instead of a corrupt politician, whoop-de-doo.

It just reconfirms my long held believe we live in an all talk and no trousers society.

Says the man who posts on a messageboard no-one reads and does little else to change things...

[Niall_Quinn]

Consistency would be nice. Right now, you’re arguing for us to maintain a relationship with the U.S for trade benefits. Should people ignore a blatant case of discrimination and carry on as usual? Crazy times indeed. If you’re anti-government I would have thought any act of defiance is a good sign.

My consistency is impeccable. I don't believe you think widely enough, your thinking tends to be narrow and disconnected, based on my discussions with you at least. I want the trade deal because it destroys the EU. Once the EU is destroyed, 20+ nations are partially liberated and their governments will be forced to become more representative overnight. It depends which way you're walking. Europhiles (by default) want more government, bigger government, less representative government. I want the opposite, less, smaller, more. This is totally consistent with my viewpoint. It seems to me it's the left and centre liberals and "moderates" who are haveing a hard time with consistency, and indeed with democracy.