Samir "The Weasel" Nasri - The Epitome of Wenger's Failings!!!

[Power n Glory]

as the captain, player been there for 7 years and talisman of the team then he takes the top tier I would imagine - it really isnt hard to figure out. the one consistent noise for years has been about a structure of wages, no contradictions so you are just inventing for your argument. so raise his wages, break their structure and have the rest of the team wondering why they didnt do the same to get even more. great for morale.

the club is rotting from the inside now? man that is real hyperbole.

wenger said to give a contract after two years which the club attempted to do. you keep going back to it being his job when clearly it isnt - he can only try and influence which is quite different to making the decision.

So you're okay with the way the club is run like corporation and the total lack of respect for the fans? Cool! What do you think is going to happen when we sell Nasri and Clichy for peanuts. Great for team morale. We'll discuss this again in years time when RVP wants to go.

[Kano]

every big club is run like a corporation, its a business, it happens. its a money making machine. total lack of respect for the fans? thats your interpretation and others but i disagree,there is no final answer to that just how much you let it affect you. see you next year

[Darth Vela]

He says he comes in if needed. So what does that tell you? Do you think he's letting others handle this situation as his best player is considering a move to Man Utd? Don't be naive. He's involved in the talks and he firmly said he won't allow Nasri to move to Man Utd.

And so what if talks started in 2010. He has said a player shouldn't be allowed to get down to 2 years on their contract and that's the same point I made earlier in the thread. He's even says that you should renegotiate in the first year if a player is on a 4 year deal and Toronto Gooner said that was a bad business move earlier in the thread. Nasri has stalled on his contract, but the point is, why has he been allowed to get down to 1 year when we've been negotiating for such a long time? He even said Man U should have considered selling Rooney earlier and he had two years left on his deal. Again, Nasri has one year left and now we're considering a sale after his market valuation has dropped. Wenger knows the score but has failed to act. While this Rooney stuff was going on, we were in talks with Nasri and still hadn't wrapped up a deal but he's talking about another clubs business conducts as if they've done something wrong and he hasn't even got his own house in order. Don't you think that is silly?

I'm not saying Nasri is an angel. He's stalled and taken the piss, but Wenger and the club have failed to act even though they know what's right and makes sense business wise.

Y'know what? I disagreed with you when I started reading the post but if Wenger is aware of it, as he certainly is given the amount of players we've tied down to contracts, then not re-negotiating earlier may well cost us even if it's only a matter of 6 months and that's pretty stupid as it's something we've been careful with when it comes to everyone else.

[Syn]

It's hard to find those committed players these days. The only other way you're going to keep a team coming from different backgrounds together is through winning and rewards like Man Utd have done.

In many ways Wenger had the right idea - to get a bunch of players together in their teens, throw them into the deep end and make them struggle - you'd expect the unity in the team to be stronger over time. All the ingredients were right, the chef wasn't - the players needed a man who could command respect, not somebody they could walk all over that allows them to make the same mistakes again and hands them unearned new contracts.

I think football has changed as well though - the world is smaller and no team tends to have the 'unity' and 'togetherness' that Wenger values so highly. The best way to achieve that is through focusing on a group of players from the same region or country. It's just not possible now.

[Power n Glory]

every big club is run like a corporation, its a business, it happens. its a money making machine. total lack of respect for the fans? thats your interpretation and others but i disagree,there is no final answer to that just how much you let it affect you. see you next year

You say 'money making machine' yet can't see the sense in us giving Nasri a new contract so we can up his valuation and sell him for a bigger profit.

[Kano]

have you been reading my posts at all? unfortunately i dont control the arsenal budget but i can try to offer some reasoning behind what they are doing.

[topgun]

We clearly cannot rely on fairweather players like Nasri to win us trophies. Hope we sell the twat and reinvest the money in a quality, commited player who'll run through brick walls for us (I know they are hard to find, but it's not impossible)

I still think Wenger does also have to take a lot of responsibility for the situation we're in.

The decisions Wenger takes this summer will determine the direction this club is heading in,remember what Cesc said a while back about the club needing to decide whether it wants to win things or develope players,well its make your mind up time.At the moment I have to say it looks the latter and if players are starting to think that it will leave us in the position of having to continually sign players with potential rather than what we really need and that will only compound the problem.

[Power n Glory]

have you been reading my posts at all? unfortunately i dont control the arsenal budget but i can try to offer some reasoning behind what they are doing.

What started out as a defence of Wenger and an attempt to absolve him of blame has turned into a defence of the clubs policy and the way it's run. That's not reasoning, just a blind defence that has lead you down a slippery path. You don't think PHW was out of order with his comments or the way fans are being milked for cash when it doesn't go back into the team? Cool!

[Kano]

following the line of your responses. if you read my posts ive tried to find reasoning behind what they are doing instead of turning no knowledge into fact. you have continued to jump from one conclusion to the next from my posts which is very poor debating. lets stop here as my thoughts are plain to see, make of them what you will, i have no need to prove anything on here

[Power n Glory]

I didn't ask for you to defend the club and offer a reasoning. And yes, I'm purposely jumping from one conclusion from the next because you're not saying what's right or wrong or you're feelings on the issue. That's not my fault. Make it clear.