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    Quote Originally Posted by AFC Leveller View Post
    Can anyone tell me how DeBryune is a 60m pound player? have i missed his WPOTY wards or his CL medals recently?
    Well City spent £50m on Sterling, so £60m is a bargain for De Bruyne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Injury Time View Post
    They are so rich the money is irrelevant, they want THEIR toy to be the bestest eva! Anyone else thinking the fair play money thing in retrospect had curbed a little of this sort of shit, or just my tired mind?
    Basically Platini grew a pair then watched them magically shrink back into his fragile scrotum once it was challenged in the courts. The lawyer who brought about the Bosman was hired by PSG and Citeh's supporter clubs (obviously backed by the clubs who were too ashamed to be the public face) and a fucking agent. So it has basically reverted back to what it was before, the only difference for any debt run up is that it has to be 'secured' by the shareholders. Which in the murky world of finance ruled by imaginary numbers that never translate into real money and the constant manipulation of loop holes and corruption means they can do what they want. So as usual the direction of our game has been decided by a bunch of suits, whose only vested interest is how much money they can suck out of its withering corpse before the whole thing implodes and they move on to the next economic boom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    FFP seemed to be working. Then the shysters got involved and fat bastards like Martin Samuel were hired to pretend the restrictions were killing teams like Scunthorpe (he may be a huge bastard who eats pies for a living but he sure is a champion of the little clubs, when convenient). With the shysters threatening to rob him and Samuel threatening to sit on him Platini relented and ran away to FIFA. Upshot, the gypos are back to spunking £150mill per season. It's okay, it's great news for the little clubs.
    FFP wasn't a good ruling IMO. It stops the mega rich from spending but also just protects the status quo. It's impossible for a small club to grow organically these days so outside investment is the best hope they have. Or at least they could demand silly money from the likes of City and Chelsea if they want to poach their best players.

    It's a BS rule that just stops the new money clubs from spending silly money but fuckers like Real Madrid, Utd, Barca, etc will get away with inflating the market and spending world record fees as they've always done. If they want fairness andnto protect football, they need to come up with a system that looks after all clubs. Some sort of salary cap or whatever. FFP was bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    FFP wasn't a good ruling IMO. It stops the mega rich from spending but also just protects the status quo. It's impossible for a small club to grow organically these days so outside investment is the best hope they have. Or at least they could demand silly money from the likes of City and Chelsea if they want to poach their best players.

    It's a BS rule that just stops the new money clubs from spending silly money but fuckers like Real Madrid, Utd, Barca, etc will get away with inflating the market and spending world record fees as they've always done. If they want fairness andnto protect football, they need to come up with a system that looks after all clubs. Some sort of salary cap or whatever. FFP was bullshit.
    Fairness doesn’t and can’t exist in a capitalist system, which is what drives football now. The focus is primarily on the the winners because that is the only way it can feasibly continue to function, just like the 'real' world we live in.

    Inevitably at the other end of the scale that means you have to have losers too, which is what we are increasingly seeing in and outside of the football world. FFP was a brave attempt but one that the courts, kept in the pockets of Governments who are now essentially run by corporations that invest huge amounts into their political campaigns, would never have been able to uphold.

    The smaller clubs will continue to be picked apart after a season or two of fleeting ‘success', whilst the corporate clubs slosh around in the swill of their dirty money, continuing to drive up prices on and off the pitch, all in favour of the ‘beautiful game’. Arsenal will be in that club sooner rather than later if it wants to survive, this idea of sustainability is a short term win for the shareholders but in the long term the club will have to be shifted onto a billionaire crook that will eventually leverage huge debt against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    FFP wasn't a good ruling IMO. It stops the mega rich from spending but also just protects the status quo. It's impossible for a small club to grow organically these days so outside investment is the best hope they have. Or at least they could demand silly money from the likes of City and Chelsea if they want to poach their best players.

    It's a BS rule that just stops the new money clubs from spending silly money but fuckers like Real Madrid, Utd, Barca, etc will get away with inflating the market and spending world record fees as they've always done. If they want fairness andnto protect football, they need to come up with a system that looks after all clubs. Some sort of salary cap or whatever. FFP was bullshit.
    It wasn't ideal but it was a brake until a better solution could be found. Brakes are off now so titles and trophies are once again reserved for the highest bidders. It remains a hilarious contradiction that the majority will not contemplate anarchy as a form of government (as that would automatically result in chaos, apparently) but they are happy to see the real authority in their lives, the economy, in a conveniently anarchic state. Lawyers - creatures that have encoded common sense and charge for the translation. More humour in the fact that if you or I earn more than the guy down the road they have an answer for that, more tax. Never challenged in the court, is it? So what about the concept of a tax on the big spenders and a subsidy extracted from that tax made available to the sensible spenders? Can't do it, of course. It would cramp the style of the capitalists and would therefore get the lawyers' arses twitching again. One rule for us and another for them.

    But anyway, well done gypos, another deserved title. Legends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Fairness doesn’t and can’t exist in a capitalist system, which is what drives football now. The focus is primarily on the the winners because that is the only way it can feasibly continue to function, just like the 'real' world we live in.

    Inevitably at the other end of the scale that means you have to have losers too, which is what we are increasingly seeing in and outside of the football world. FFP was a brave attempt but one that the courts, kept in the pockets of Governments who are now essentially run by corporations that invest huge amounts into their political campaigns, would never have been able to uphold.

    The smaller clubs will continue to be picked apart after a season or two of fleeting ‘success', whilst the corporate clubs slosh around in the swill of their dirty money, continuing to drive up prices on and off the pitch, all in favour of the ‘beautiful game’. Arsenal will be in that club sooner rather than later if it wants to survive, this idea of sustainability is a short term win for the shareholders but in the long term the club will have to be shifted onto a billionaire crook that will eventually leverage huge debt against it.
    Well said. But fairness can exist in a capitalist system underpinned by a functional system of justice. And in fact we need a clean capitalist system to advance as a species, at least in this stage of our evolution. Socialism never cut it anywhere for an extended period of time, mostly because it has always been communism masquerading as socialism (just as the vulture capitalist system is a form of communism). Justice is the issue. Lawyers do everything in their extensive power to ensure it never surfaces. Can't go anywhere or do anything useful while lawyers hold sway.
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    4 days to go and no credible source that says we're in for anyone. So have we successfully managed to keep our imminent deals secret throughout the summer or are we just sitting on our hands waiting it out with excuses at the ready? Obviously if we don't bring in the players we need then we won't be mounting a serious challenge for this title. But if we fail to act then next summer we'll be hearing stories about bids for Alexis, Ozil, Ramsey. 4 days left to go forward or else backwards we go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    4 days to go and no credible source that says we're in for anyone. So have we successfully managed to keep our imminent deals secret throughout the summer or are we just sitting on our hands waiting it out with excuses at the ready? Obviously if we don't bring in the players we need then we won't be mounting a serious challenge for this title. But if we fail to act then next summer we'll be hearing stories about bids for Alexis, Ozil, Ramsey. 4 days left to go forward or else backwards we go.
    I don't think Arsene is really that serious about strengthening the squad given his comments on Arsenal.com If they were working hard day and night like he tells us then why didn't/haven't we strengthened before now?

    http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...ht-on-signings-

    ‘We work day and night on signings’

    Arsène Wenger says Arsenal are working hard to bring in new players before the close of the transfer window - but admits they are not close to completing a deal.
    The Gunners have already strengthened their squad this summer by signing Petr Cech from Chelsea, and Wenger is open to the idea of buying another player should the opportunity arise.
    I am always confident that a last-minute situation or solution is available
    Arsène Wenger
    “I am always confident that a last-minute situation or solution is available, because the transfer market is especially moving in the last four or five days,” he said. “But at the moment I cannot promise you that.
    “We have specific targets but sometimes you get an idea from somebody because you didn’t know that the player you like was available and if you get an opportunity you do it.

    “We work very hard, you know I have a team around me who work day and night to find good solutions. I am 24 hours available per day, so I am involved in the decision of course, but at the moment we are not close to signing anyone.”

    This season’s transfer window closes at the earlier time of 6pm, a day after other European leagues, and Wenger believes this will have an impact.

    “Before you had until midnight,” he said. “Maybe it was not very comfortable for the Premier League but it was a bit easier but people adapt to the timing.
    “The implications [of the European window shutting a day early] is that on the last day we will be the only ones on the market and not face any competition with the others.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    4 days to go and no credible source that says we're in for anyone. So have we successfully managed to keep our imminent deals secret throughout the summer or are we just sitting on our hands waiting it out with excuses at the ready? Obviously if we don't bring in the players we need then we won't be mounting a serious challenge for this title. But if we fail to act then next summer we'll be hearing stories about bids for Alexis, Ozil, Ramsey. 4 days left to go forward or else backwards we go.
    If we don't seriously compete for the league this year, and it's not looking great at the moment, I can't see us keeping hold of Ozil and Sanchez next summer.

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    I guess we just have to be gulliblepositive and hope the club can sort itself out in the next few days.
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