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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Why do we need to be perfect from now until the end of the season?

    We need to go on a good run for sure. But that’s always been the case with us and winning the title

    My marker is that we can probably be six points off the top by new year and still be well in with a shout
    Because that is the only way to 'guarantee' a title win - which we should be doing this year after 5 years of spending millions to compete.
    We can afford a couple of games point drops but realistically, no more than 2 games.


    From this point in the season:
    Liverpool can get a max total of 109 points
    Citeh can get a max total of 104 points
    We can get a max total of 100 points.

    So if we are saying the average points needed to win is 90 - it doesn't leave us with much room to breathe

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    From this point in the season:
    Liverpool can get a max total of 109 points
    Citeh can get a max total of 104 points
    But they're not going to get those totals are they? If nothing else they play each other.
    I don't agree we have to be perfect but we do need to go on a run now - with the games we have we should be doing that.
    Do that and Liverpool drop some points - which they're surely going to do - and we can chip away at that lead. If it's 9 points at the turn of the year then I'd agree it's all over bar the shouting, but there's a lot of football to be played between now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    I think at this point of the season the points total is largely meaningless
    The average points total after 10 games for any team eventually being crowned champions is 22.5 - so we are already 3-4 points behind that.


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    But we sure as hell are no worse
    After 11 games:
    2022/23 = 28 points
    2023/24 = 24 points
    2024/25 = 19 points

    I would say we are definitely worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KSE Comedy Club View Post
    The average points total after 10 games for any team eventually being crowned champions is 22.5 - so we are already 3-4 points behind that.




    After 11 games:
    2022/23 = 28 points
    2023/24 = 24 points
    2024/25 = 19 points

    I would say we are definitely worse.
    Apples and Bowling Balls when you compare fixtures

    Last season after five games we had the same amount of points at home as we do last season

    And away games much tougher, we’d also played more games at home than away from home after 11 games.


    Two seasons ago we did the same as last season but in reverse, had one good half of the season, one indifferent half

    You realise there’s a big difference between average points total is 22 points and saying no team has won the title without at least 22 points
    Last edited by HCZ_Reborn; 11-11-2024 at 01:46 PM.

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    Also we’d scored 23 goals at this point last season compared to 18 this. However six of those goals were penalties and we’ve had not one penalty given to us in the league this season

    And that’s before you factor in that 5 of those goals were against Sheffield United who were pathetic

    No injuries to key players or suspensions due to pedantic red cards


    Now my contention is that we weren’t great last season in the first half (because we weren’t) but the scope is actually there for us to be in a better position than we were at Xmas last year (where we were just as poor in form).

    My general point is, it’s nothing we haven’t seen before and therefore no reason yet to be too despondent. I was definitely hoping that we’d put these poor spells behind us, but that was being incredibly optimistic without a striker

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Very balanced and analytical

    Im not generally predisposed to be Optimistic. And I don’t think my current opinion comes from optimism. It’s how unimpressed I am with the other teams in the league

    The lack of a striker was I agree negligent. I was scolded for being annoyed at spending so much on Calafiori when we needed a striker.
    When you word things like this you make it sound like their was another sentient creature on this green earth that agreed with Arteta's reasoning i.e. getting another CB was more important than bringing in a forward.

    Anyway, like IBK said, we'll need a whole lot of luck now and to keep praying the gap doesn't get bigger which could miraculously allow us in January to correct these grievous sins of omission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    But they're not going to get those totals are they? If nothing else they play each other.
    I don't agree we have to be perfect but we do need to go on a run now - with the games we have we should be doing that.
    Do that and Liverpool drop some points - which they're surely going to do - and we can chip away at that lead. If it's 9 points at the turn of the year then I'd agree it's all over bar the shouting, but there's a lot of football to be played between now and then.
    No of course not, but if you took it in the context of what I was saying about the average points total to WTL, then we have far less wiggle room now than both of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE View Post
    When you word things like this you make it sound like their was another sentient creature on this green earth that agreed with Arteta's reasoning i.e. getting another CB was more important than bringing in a forward.

    Anyway, like IBK said, we'll need a whole lot of luck now and to keep praying the gap doesn't get bigger which could miraculously allow us in January to correct these grievous sins of omission.
    I was on another Arsenal forum around August, and I got suspended after people piled on me for making such a suggestion (that it was negligent to prioritise a defender). Though of course I can’t confirm their sentience

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    I was on another Arsenal forum around August, and I got suspended after people piled on me for making such a suggestion (that it was negligent to prioritise a defender). Though of course I can’t confirm their sentience
    WTF....they definitely couldn't have been Arsenal fans, probably Spuds....but they can't even enjoy our misery either as they are going through a lot too .

    Its actually a bit funny how the newbie mangers (at least the ones who got top teams) are the ones doing pretty well currently. You might want to reconsider that argument you were having with Mac on Abramovich's model of handling the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21_GOONER_SALUTE View Post
    WTF....they definitely couldn't have been Arsenal fans, probably Spuds....but they can't even enjoy our misery either as they are going through a lot too .

    Its actually a bit funny how the newbie mangers (at least the ones who got top teams) are the ones doing pretty well currently. You might want to reconsider that argument you were having with Mac on Abramovich's model of handling the help.
    Not at all, because there’s a cavernous gulf between saying Arteta is not taking us forward and we should look to replace and embracing the chaos that’s the norm at Chelsea and has been since Mourinho flounced off for the first time back in 2007.

    Getting a new coach in with new ideas….great, sacking that coach because it’s not working out within six months? Not so good. And in Chelsea’s case a lot of the time it came down to the fact that they were making poor hiring choices to begin with. Big Phil Scolari, AvB and the phalanx of different Italians they brought in.

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