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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    Erm no, they were just as bad for that sort of thing under Abramovich, if you think the instability at that club has only been a feature the last couple of years, I don’t know what to tell you
    Erm yes, they had a high-spending, hire-and-fire strategy but it was very firmly linked to success, as demonstrated by numerous cup, PL and CL wins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    But we all know he will, he's nowhere near being sacked unless we lose the next ten games straight, even then I think they would be heavily influenced by our coming close in the last two seasons to give him more of a chance

    I've said it before, say what you like about a club like Abramovic's Chelsea, no manager stayed beyond their sell-by date and there's something to be said for that
    A mate of mine (Spurs fan) said he might have a punt with the Bookies on Arteta being the next PL manager to be sacked. I counselled him against that. Unless it's an absolute car crash it will be all "trust the process" no matter what the fans thing. And, to an extent, the fans shouldn't be making this decision - we are largely idiots. But even idiots can see that the lack of a striker was an issue over the last couple of seasons. To go into another season with that not addressed is inexcusable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    Erm yes, they had a high-spending, hire-and-fire strategy but it was very firmly linked to success, as demonstrated by numerous cup, PL and CL wins
    They were all over the place at times, despite the money they spent…they were never able to gain any kind of consistency. One season they’d finish champions the next mid table. As I say a hot mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    They were all over the place at times, despite the money they spent…they were never able to gain any kind of consistency. One season they’d finish champions the next mid table. As I say a hot mess
    The only hot mess i can see is in your brain, if you think the positions you take make any sense you're sadly wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    A mate of mine (Spurs fan) said he might have a punt with the Bookies on Arteta being the next PL manager to be sacked. I counselled him against that. Unless it's an absolute car crash it will be all "trust the process" no matter what the fans thing. And, to an extent, the fans shouldn't be making this decision - we are largely idiots. But even idiots can see that the lack of a striker was an issue over the last couple of seasons. To go into another season with that not addressed is inexcusable.
    I don’t think the majority of fans want Arteta gone either.

    But yes We can absolutely rule out the idea that he will be gone before the end of the season without the car crash, and I doubt he will be gone full stop unless we fall outside the top four (which is what the owners care about)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac76 View Post
    The only hot mess i can see is in your brain, if you think the positions you take make any sense you're sadly wrong
    Your reply is amusing given you get so worked up when I apparently give you “abuse”.

    No I don’t think Chelsea’s history is that of a good or sustainable way to run a football club, I don’t really get how that’s controversial. I want success of course but I don’t want to get through two or three coaches in a season and never be able to build on success because you might win a big trophy one season and then you’re being beaten at home by QPR the next (and that’s not just even a hypothetical that’s exactly what happened with Chelsea)

    When they won things it wasn’t because they were working to a good model, it’s because they spent fuck loads of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    I don’t think the majority of fans want Arteta gone either.

    But yes We can absolutely rule out the idea that he will be gone before the end of the season without the car crash, and I doubt he will be gone full stop unless we fall outside the top four (which is what the owners care about)
    Let's face it, he has done enough up to this point (despite our recent issues) for his job to be safe. Let's also not forget that a new director of football would need to be well established before it made sense to get rid - even if our malaise continues.

    I'm a bit bipolar with Arsenal. I can see the current problems, but at least the second half last night was an improvement on Saturday. Let's hope that we can pull out of this bad patch quickly. Our players are better than the last few results/performances.
    Putting the laughter back into manslaughter

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBK View Post
    Let's face it, he has done enough up to this point (despite our recent issues) for his job to be safe. Let's also not forget that a new director of football would need to be well established before it made sense to get rid - even if our malaise continues.

    I'm a bit bipolar with Arsenal. I can see the current problems, but at least the second half last night was an improvement on Saturday. Let's hope that we can pull out of this bad patch quickly. Our players are better than the last few results/performances.
    I’ve wanted him gone for four years, but I temper that with acknowledging that for the most part this has not been a sentiment shared by others. But I don’t like the guy, not as a coach not as a person (although I equally temper that with the knowledge that I’ve never actually met him) I’ve never much cared for the style of football we play….but equally I do acknowledge that probably at least in the club’s eyes he’s done enough to justify keeping his job.

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    I back the guy but I’m very much in the camp that is expecting a glorious ending to the journey now. He’s done a lot of good work and deserves an opportunity to see it through however if this season tailspins into a disaster then I’m not sure there can be any defence for him given the money spent and the obvious deficiencies that remain up front.

    Also, having to play Villa, Spurs, City, Liverpool, Newcastle and Chelsea in the opening portion of the season was always going to be difficult and some dropped points were to be expected. So I won’t throw the toys out of the pram just yet but our football is absolutely shit right now and a lot of work needs to be done to get the season back on track. I prefer to believe that we’re a good team going through a bad patch rather than a bad team that’s found it’s level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn View Post
    I don’t think the majority of fans want Arteta gone either.
    Certainly the people I have spoken to don't, I do seem to be in the minority - which is unlike me, I'm usually the super patient one.
    But my reasoning is that while I fully acknowledge he has done a lot of good, and were we not up against the juggernaut of City we'd definitely have one title, possibly two, it feels like we have peaked under him. The areas of weakness last season weren't addressed in the summer and we look to have gone backwards. I just don't feel that Arteta is the man to push us over that final hurdle and land a major trophy.

    But yes We can absolutely rule out the idea that he will be gone before the end of the season without the car crash, and I doubt he will be gone full stop unless we fall outside the top four (which is what the owners care about)
    I don't think the part in brackets is as true as it used to be. There does seem to have been a real investment and push to do a bit better than just endless top 4 finishes. From All or Nothing it did feel there was more of a plan and more ambition.

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