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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Singh View Post
    The signing of Ozil has had many fantastic knock on effects for Arsenal Football Club.

    One topic of interest is how the signing of Ozil may indeed completely divert the career path of Jack Wilshere.

    Up til this point, many people have debated where they'd like to see Wilshere deployed and how he should best be utilized and groomed. He's always seemed like a natural number 10 given his technical ability, and could have been a valuable asset given his tenacity and aggression from the front. He's also shown himself to be more than capable when used in a deeper role, particularly with his exploits against Barcelona on the big stage.

    Given that Ozil is only 24, and clearly light years ahead of any other number 10 on the planet, I think it's fair to say that Jack's development will finally take a certain pathway, and he will be groomed into a deeper midfielder. One could argue that Ozil could be an ideal role model for Jack, but long term it would make more sense for him to focus on developing his game to play a position where he can actually play 90 minutes every week.

    Right now I'd say our best balanced midfield double pivot would in fact be Ramsey + Either Arteta or Flamini. Ramsey has proven himself to be a key man in our midfield over the last 6 months, and the natural defensive instincts of Arteta and Flamini best solidify the pivot. Long term I can see Wilshere and Ramsey developing as our double pivot, simply because that's the only position available to Jack in our team, and he's too talented and driven to not make it. Our current selection of 4 is actually ideal with two highly talented individuals competing with two more experienced and very professional players.

    If that's the case, then perhaps it's easy to see why we didn't go for another CM over summer? If we did sign someone like Bender or Gustavo, then where would that leave Jack? I'm sure many feel he's a better option than Ramsey long term, but certainly not with Ramsey performing as he is currently.

    I have no problem talent wise with a long term pairing of Wilshere and Ramsey. They are both individually fantastic options and have a strong work ethic. With experience they will develop a sound relationship and hopefully achieve a good balance. The obvious glaring deficiency in their pairing would be the lack of size and physical presence between them, but does that even matter anymore in this day and age?

    How would you like to see our midfield develop, not only this season but with the next season in mind? With names like Khedira, Pogba, Gundogan and Bender still being thrown around, what would you be hoping for?
    The fact of the matter is that Jack has been stagnating over the past few months. That's taking nothing away from his ability and potential because both are clearly high, however he was out for such a long time and while we expected him to slot back in with ease, he hasn't. Whether the time out had a psychological effect or whether he is still carrying the ill-effects of that injury, we don't really know. For someone who played like Xavi morphed with Iniesta, he's now playing like Denilson morphed with Bischoff.

    He's exactly where Ramsey was a year ago; constantly over playing the ball, taking too many touches, trying to take every player on like he's Messi. But his body is not responding to what he wants to do in his brain. He's bulked up a lot but has that actually hindered him instead of helped? When he was leaner he was able to glide past players in quick fashion, evident that night against Barca when he schooled their midfield. Now he has bulked he's slightly slower and more mechanic on the ball.

    I'm in 2 minds as to whether to keep playing him like we did with Ramsey until he eventually gets better, or give him a rest to ensure his ankle doesn't fuck up again. I'm thinking the latter but that's purely because we're in dire need of a trophy and we need players that are at 100% starting every game. Wilshere isn't and I'm not sure whether game time will get him there. It might actually be rest.

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    He clearly has ability but it needs to be harnessed properly, he's got too many bad habits right now. Not too worried because he's got years to develop and now we have Özil the expectation on Wheechair can hopefully subside.

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    People were quick to write off Ramsey last season but now it looks like he's finally coming good. Give Wilshere time and he might do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    People were quick to write off Ramsey last season but now it looks like he's finally coming good. Give Wilshere time and he might do the same.
    Pretty much.
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    Maybe I'm missing the point but he is young, has had major interruptions due to injury and surgery and has to deal with a lot of four lions hype as well as the wishful thinking of the most hysterical and interweb loving CLub fans in the whole wide world ever.
    After the odd duff game (and not even in an arsenal shirt) he has gone from the great white hope to the new diaby.

    You people are insane. God help Ozil when he has an off day.
    Last edited by Nayan; 18-09-2013 at 10:33 AM.

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    After making a complete arse of myself over Rambo, I'm going to reserve judgement on Jack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    People were quick to write off Ramsey last season but now it looks like he's finally coming good. Give Wilshere time and he might do the same.
    Who's writing him off? GW has this incredible ability of completely getting the wrong end of the stick. Truth is viewed as 'writing off'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    Who's writing him off? GW has this incredible ability of completely getting the wrong end of the stick. Truth is viewed as 'writing off'.
    it wasnt just GW who were "writing him off" you only had too look at twitter, listen to fans in the pubs or at the ground. loads were writing him off, syaing he would never be good enough, should be sold/loaned out.

    no one has a problem with people saying that x player isnt playing well and should be dropped for the next game etc. but there were a lot of arsenal fans taking that further with ramsey. some even said they wished he was dead. thats writing him off. and it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayan View Post
    Maybe I'm missing the point but he is young, has had major interruptions due to injury and surgery and has to deal with a lot of four lions hype as well as the wishful thinking of the most hysterical and interweb loving CLub fans in the whole wide world ever.
    After the odd duff game (and not even in an arsenal shirt) he has gone from the great white hope to the new diaby.

    You people are insane. God help Ozil when he has an off day.
    To be honest he was way way way overhyped, he's not as good as that and that's why people are looking at him now and wondering why he's not as good as he should be.

    He'll be a good player for sure, just don't think he'll be a great player.

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    correction. 'three lions hype'

    also correction: 'you people are *fucking* insane'

    carry on

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