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[Niall_Quinn]

It currently has 939,000 signatories. You're clearly going to get a wide range of opinions amongst a population of nearly a million people.

You are doing it again. It's pretty easy to pick 10-20 prominent (as in, world renowned) scientists in the specific discipline from that mass of signatories. Or even ONE. And then just dig, read, see what's there. Is it possible there's a counter argument to the official narrative? Possible? Does that argument stand up to scrutiny? Is it worth considering? Does it enhance your knowledge in any useful way.

This is what I mean by honest, cowardice and courage.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Bible is the starting point for any Christian, it's what all Christian beliefs are based on. Anyone who talks about Christian belief without referencing the Bible should be treated with suspicion.

What did the Bible say at the very moment Jesus sat down at the Last Supper? Yes, I know the writings that eventually became the Bible - many centuries later - informed us of the Last Supper. But the catch-22 for the zealot is if the Bible is "true" then the Last Supper occurred, even though the Bible didn't exist at the time. And, according to the Bible that didn't exist at the time, what did Jesus mention at the time? Which utterly refuted all requirement for a church or its codified pecking order?

And so the professional marketing industry moved in and created your church, and all the others. And so God's and Jesus' message circled the drain as the greater ambitions of power and prosperous piety rose to prominence. And all the acolytes chanted, Amen! History is important.

Don't be giving your Bible copy/ pastes as a measure of your authority and virtue. And certainly don't be casting suspicions on those who understand the true meaning behind that much manipulated book. You are doing what you always do - seeking legitimacy through a hierarchical system and glibly accepting your inferiority. Who gave your church the right to act as middleman between yourself and God? What arrogance on their part, and what subservience on yours.

My church exists wherever and whenever I want it to. And my Bible is an innate understanding which comes naturally to any MORAL person - not "the word" of man, but the deeds of man. The word is meaningless without understanding the consequences of the deeds. And doctrine has ZERO place in human understanding - just as the foot soldier claims he was only following the orders of his betters . Doctrine is a creation of man, not God.

The only greater sin than these whackos who claim they are so wonderful they are gods in themselves is the sin of abdicating a relationship with God and placing that responsibility in the hands of arrogant interlopers who claim to have special dispensation to manage your relationship with your God. Those people can go and fuck themselves really, can't they? Vain and overblown doesn't begin to describe them.

Tell me about your church and your Bible study classes again, so I may find my place on the ladder, below you presumably.

[Niall_Quinn]

I know somebody who suffered Bible study classes so they could get into a Catholic school - you know, schools that still do schooling shit. Reading , writing, all that stuff. So he was virtuous by default, though he freely admits he can't remember a word of it. He's a fucking good bloke though. Naturally decent. Which leave me wondering why he needed to go to classes to prove it. Smells like indoctrination to me, but I'm an accurate cynic. There were others in that class. Bastards if you ask me. Horrible cunts. But they passed too. Some of them got an A in virtue.

[Niall_Quinn]

The Covid Scam.

"The Science" when we already had real science. The "trials" when we already had mechanism to establish efficacy and safety. The definitions, when vaccines became "vaccines" that didn't prevent infection and didn't prevent transmission. The open lies of the bodies that were supposed to be impartial but instead turned into marketing agencies for the pharma gang. The definitions, died FROM and died WITH, a new invention. The disappearance of respiratory disease, apart from covid of course. The media - don't get me started. 10,000 DEAD, 20,000 DEAD... roll the death count. The censorship. The removal of civil liberties that had the doubly terrible effect of making people believe those liberties were in the gift of authoritarians in the first place. The "tests" that were already roundly dismissed by the genuine scientists who created the "tests". The murder of the elderly. The new bills that passed parliament undiscussed, never mind unopposed. THE PROFIT - gargantuan and all at the expense of economy shattering measures. The SILENCE, when the fallout started to become obvious - they've punted the so-called inquiry, haven't they? Need to get get a new gang elected first so the old gang can get comfy on the boards of Pfizer and Moderna.

etc, etc...

But yes, I know you can't see any of it.

[Letters]

What did the Bible say at the very moment Jesus sat down at the Last Supper? Yes, I know the writings that eventually became the Bible - many centuries later - informed us of the Last Supper. But the catch-22 for the zealot is if the Bible is "true" then the Last Supper occurred, even though the Bible didn't exist at the time. And, according to the Bible that didn't exist at the time, what did Jesus mention at the time? Which utterly refuted all requirement for a church or its codified pecking order?

I don't know, what did Jesus say? I mean, he said loads of things. What are you getting at?
I don't dispute that a lot of the structures in the church are man-made. The bloke who started our church said something which amused me. He said he was asked whether he believed in women priests, he replied he didn't really believe in men priests! Priests are in the Bible of course, but the whole point of the New Testament is we don't need anyone to intercede between us and God. The whole idea of having to go to a priest to confess your sins and they absolve you is bizarre to me, that's not the New Testament message at all.

And so the professional marketing industry moved in and created your church

Nope. The aforementioned bloke started it in his house. We now have a building but we're not in any of the structures you're alluding to.

Don't be giving your Bible copy/ pastes as a measure of your authority and virtue.

You still don't get it. I have no authority. I quote the Bible because I believe it has authority.

And certainly don't be casting suspicions on those who understand the true meaning behind that much manipulated book.

That's you, is it? Thousands of years of doctrinal and theological debate and you've got it all sussed out.
If you say so, dude. But if you're not starting with Scripture then you're doing it wrong. In my opinion, of course.

You are doing what you always do - seeking legitimacy through a hierarchical system and glibly accepting your inferiority.

Seeking legitimacy? As I keep explaining, it's the Bible that has authority, not me.

Who gave your church the right to act as middleman between yourself and God? What arrogance on their part, and what subservience on yours.

Are you talking about the Catholics again? If so then yeah, funny lot. But the message of the New Testament is you don't need a middle man between you and God. But a church community is a useful place to learn, grow and be supported. If you pick the right one, and I agree a lot of churches are pretty bad examples of what they should be. I wouldn't go to one which I felt was like that.

My church exists wherever and whenever I want it to. And my Bible is an innate understanding which comes naturally to any MORAL person

So basically this is just you saying you're not a Christian, which is fine.

Tell me about your church and your Bible study classes again, so I may find my place on the ladder, below you presumably.

You still haven't understood.
There isn't a ladder, not at my church anyway.

[Letters]

"The Science" when we already had real science.

As you have shown on multiple subjects, your definition of "real science" is science you agree with.

The "trials" when we already had mechanism to establish efficacy and safety.

We do, but those mechanisms take years. There was more urgency around this.

The definitions, when vaccines became "vaccines" that didn't prevent infection and didn't prevent transmission.

But they did prevent a lot of deaths. Well, according to the research I've read, but that doesn't say what you want so I guess it's not real science.

The open lies of the bodies that were supposed to be impartial but instead turned into marketing agencies for the pharma gang.

Examples?

The definitions, died FROM and died WITH, a new invention.

Simply not true. The concept that someone has multiple conditions, one of which is declared the primary cause of death and others which they die "with" is not new at all.

The disappearance of respiratory disease, apart from covid of course.

We covered this at the time, multiple times. A new respiratory disease tends to dominate a flu cycle.

The media - don't get me started. 10,000 DEAD, 20,000 DEAD... roll the death count.

Well, sure. I think we're aligned on that. The media in this country is lamentably poor and sensationalist.

The censorship.

What was censored? I mean, by definition of something was censored then you don't know about it.

The removal of civil liberties that had the doubly terrible effect of making people believe those liberties were in the gift of authoritarians in the first place.

Again, we discussed this multiple times during the pandemic. The concept that the state can remove certain liberties in unusual times is not new. Remember we spoke about the blitz? How you couldn't open your curtains with the lights? The covid rules were designed to deal with an extreme situation. I think we all agree they were completely misguided, but they weren't some authoritarian land-grab. All those rules have now been removed.

The "tests" that were already roundly dismissed by the genuine scientists who created the "tests".

Again, this is simply incorrect. I watched the video you pointed to at the time, he just didn't say what you're claiming.
And remember how you claimed the WHO admitted the tests didn't work on their website?
It took me 5 minutes to find the relevant page which basically just said that they work if you use them correctly.
You routinely make 2 and 2 add up to 5, so desperate are you to see conspiracy and villainy everywhere you look.

The murder of the elderly.

Murder implies intent. Hanlon's razor, etc etc.

The new bills that passed parliament undiscussed, never mind unopposed.

Which ones are those? The ones which ban protest? I guess someone forgot to tell all the recent protests about those.

THE PROFIT - gargantuan and all at the expense of economy shattering measures.

Well, sure. The idea that the powers that be profiteer over situations like this is hardly news.
But don't conflate that opportunism with the idea that they manufactured the situation.

The SILENCE, when the fallout started to become obvious - they've punted the so-called inquiry, haven't they? Need to get get a new gang elected first so the old gang can get comfy on the boards of Pfizer and Moderna.

Nope. They're ongoing. The next batch starts next week and is being broadcast live on YouTube
https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/hearings/
You can go in person if you like.

But yes, I know you can't see any of it.

I can't see things that aren't there.
Just like I can't see the army on my street. They're not there, they never were.
It's you seeing things that aren't there, dude, and then lamenting that I can't.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't know, what did Jesus say? I mean, he said loads of things. What are you getting at?

Ha.

Incredible.

What was the POINT of the Last Supper?

As for the rest of it - which dissenting voice did you choose to read up on? I see you've excused everything using, coincidentally no doubt, the mainstream viewpoint. But, being that reasonable and rational person you are dressed up as, because heaven forbid you'd be the type of person who says, with zero pressure, "You still don't get it. I have no authority. I quote the Bible because I believe it has authority." - How have you counterbalanced your certainty? To reach that reasonable and rational declaration?

Sources please! LOL.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm sorry to laugh at you. It's not you, as such. I just find a desperate and sad amusement in people who are so entirely fearful and subservient as a result. So many times you say, well I don't know anything about that - which is admirable, by the way. When you don't know about something (and none of us - I hope - know everything about everything) then just say it. So house points there. Yet you then convert your ignorance into firm conclusions that just so happen to coincide with what's written by the BBC. Maybe it's just me making 2+2=Your own Words.

I don't mean to laugh. Not at you. I laugh at everyone like you because it's better than crying.

And if Jesus descended today, you'd condemn him to death. And so would the cult you just described as a church.

[Niall_Quinn]

Again, we discussed this multiple times during the pandemic. The concept that the state can remove certain liberties in unusual times is not new. Remember we spoke about the blitz? How you couldn't open your curtains with the lights? The covid rules were designed to deal with an extreme situation. I think we all agree they were completely misguided, but they weren't some authoritarian land-grab. All those rules have now been removed.

There were real bombs falling in WWII - you could see them, feel them, touch them and taste them. And they killed you. No room for media intervention. A bomb either happened or it didn't. And the results were tangible and non-contested for obvious, deadly reasons.

Covid though - remember the "British" hospitals where those poor Italian pensioners were gasping for air? Or the blatant lies about transmission and immunity? Probably better to ignore all that and go with, "Something needed to be done."

By whom?

Lovaable pedophiles who have your best interests at heart? People who would never ever join the board of Moderna having stood on a press podium and stated - here is MY policy for Covid, and fuck you if you don't like it. People who played with pretty models in their basement while mummy complained that bitch left cum stains on your underpants again Neil!

Okay, so even if the "new science" was real - still zero evidence of that unless you want to present some - don't you even have a few questions about the utter, utter wankers who decide these things? I mean you know they are utter, utter wankers, right? Or don't you even acknowledge that much? Are you that whipped?

[Niall_Quinn]

Again, this is simply incorrect. I watched the video you pointed to at the time, he just didn't say what you're claiming.
And remember how you claimed the WHO admitted the tests didn't work on their website?
It took me 5 minutes to find the relevant page which basically just said that they work if you use them correctly.
You routinely make 2 and 2 add up to 5, so desperate are you to see conspiracy and villainy everywhere you look.

Sure, fine.

WHO said x20 because Mullis said don't ever use it for that. But x20 is a reasonable lie.

So the government said how about x35? And did that.

And when the Irish government followed the WHO regulations they had to back off because they suddenly lost most of their Covid deaths.

But you aren't interested in science, are you? You are only interested in the ways and means to refute it so the political argument can remain standing.

And what's more, you said you watched the video I posted. Along with maybe 20 other posts. And I believe you. But you never understood a word of it, did you? Because otherwise you wouldn't be posing such a ridiculous argument.