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[HCZ_Reborn]

that's a bit hard to follow but Barrett was an acid casualty who essentially can't be blamed if he ended up living with his mum, the guy partly lost his mind - it happens

he was also a creative genius, whereas Waters desperately wants to be one but isn;t

but Shine on.. is a crap song (IMO)

Acid Casualty? Interesting term for him. Very little evidence of Psychiatric Illness. Apart from anything else, even his family vehemently denied there was anything wrong with him mentally, and when he did see a psychiatrist as an outpatient the conclusion was he didn’t require medication or further therapy. Id say it was more likely he had a personality problem, now I’ve no doubt that may have been exacerbated by drug taking. But some people are just difficult and eccentric, and Barrett was one of those. And creative genius is definitely a matter of opinion….grossly overrated would be mine.

I wouldn’t call Walters a creative genius either, I just think Pink Floyd had better creative output once Barrett had gone.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don't make a habit of stating opinion as fact but in this case, yes i should have said 'IMO'

there's a lot worse LPs to have as your favourite

It’s literally what you’re known for on here

Although I will qualify that, by saying that’s more with football you do that. In fairness on this subject, I’m well aware that you’re just expressing your opinion

[HCZ_Reborn]

oh i thought he meant he'd actually met Sol Campbell

Actually so did I

[Mac76]

It’s literally what you’re known for on here

Although I will qualify that, by saying that’s more with football you do that. In fairness on this subject, I’m well aware that you’re just expressing your opinion

in all seriousness if every time anyone expressed an opinion on here they had to say "in my opinion" it would get a bit dull - I think we all know people are expressing opinions - you as much, if not more, as anyone

that said it's when someone says it more emphatically, or it's about something very fundamental, or involves negAtive opions about another messageboard member etc that it's an issue

[HCZ_Reborn]

in all seriousness if every time anyone expressed an opinion on here they had to say "in my opinion" it would get a bit dull - I think we all know people are expressing opinions - you as much, if not more, as anyone

that said it's when someone says it more emphatically, or it's about something very fundamental, or involves negAtive opions about another messageboard member etc that it's an issue

Well it’s an issue for you I think what you call abuse, I call very mild criticism/mockery. As I don’t know you.



There’s also a difference between explicitly prefacing everything with in my opinion which I agree is unnecessary, and writing in a way that makes it clear that it’s your opinion. Maybe you just have that unfortunate style where your opinions sound like emphatic statements.

But this back and forth repartee even bores me after a fashion. So I’d rather move on….the pink Floyd discussion was actually more interesting

[Letters]

Shine on you crazy Diamond, an ode to someone who was such a petulant dickhead that he engaged in a forty year strop living with his mum.

I don't really care who it's about, it's another favourite of mine.
I saw...I think it was Walters rather than Gilmour, although honestly I can't remember 100% now. Anyway, he was doing the whole of DSoTM in Hyde Park some years back.
That was a good gig. Obviously he did other stuff including Shine on You Crazy Diamond. I honestly got chills when that 4 note riff started.
I don't like all their stuff and some of it is a bit indulgent but there's some brilliant stuff there too.

[HCZ_Reborn]

I don't really care who it's about, it's another favourite of mine.
I saw...I think it was Walters rather than Gilmour, although honestly I can't remember 100% now. Anyway, he was doing the whole of DSoTM in Hyde Park some years back.
That was a good gig. Obviously he did other stuff including Shine on You Crazy Diamond. I honestly got chills when that 4 note riff started.
I don't like all their stuff and some of it is a bit indulgent but there's some brilliant stuff there too.

I just don’t care for it at all as a song, plus it’s hard to get out of my head that it’s an apology to a guy who didn’t really deserve one. It’s like if the Stones had written a song dedicated to Brian Jones after finally having enough of him being an insufferable arsehole.

Though Waters seemed to gladly take up his mantle. Where as Barrett was just a sullen weirdo, I think Waters is a genuinely ugly human being. And whilst I agree that someone’s body of work can be appraised on its merits without appraising the individual, with a lot of Pink Floyd’s stuff after Dark Side of the Moon it’s hard to extrapolate one from the other. The Wall and the Final Cut are an exercise in off the chart levels of self-absorption. Yeah Bowie made an alter ego for himself with Ziggy Stardust, it’s not as on the nose and moored in self pity as Pink is

[Letters]

I was talking to a colleague about separating the art from the artist.
There's a line, but it's not clear where it is.
Rolf Harris is definitely over it - I used to love his shows and music, the latter not to be taken seriously, but it was enjoyable enough nonsense.
But I can't listen to any of it now.
MJ I can still enjoy on the basis that I'm not sure what he actually did, if anything. Obviously I'm aware of the allegations.

[Mac76]

But some people are just difficult and eccentric, and Barrett was one of those.

That sounds like an opinion to me...

Allow me to present to you what Wikipedia says (all referenced as always):

"Through late 1967 and early 1968, Barrett became increasingly erratic, partly as a consequence of his heavy use of psychedelic drugs such as LSD.[13] Once described as joyful, friendly, and extroverted, he became increasingly depressed, withdrawn, and began experiencing hallucinations, disorganised speech, memory lapses, intense mood swings and periods of catatonia. Although the changes began gradually, according to several friends —including the Pink Floyd keyboardist Richard Wright— he went missing for a long weekend and returned "a completely different person"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syd_Barrett

[HCZ_Reborn]

I was talking to a colleague about separating the art from the artist.
There's a line, but it's not clear where it is.
Rolf Harris is definitely over it - I used to love his shows and music, the latter not to be taken seriously, but it was enjoyable enough nonsense.
But I can't listen to any of it now.
MJ I can still enjoy on the basis that I'm not sure what he actually did, if anything. Obviously I'm aware of the allegations.

Id say there are too many similar testimonies of abuse from MJ from people who would never have met each other, now obviously the standard for conviction is much higher than that. But some time after his trial, one of the jury said (and of course that’s just his opinion) that MJ was likely a child abuser and most certainly a pedophile but even though the evidence that pointed him to that conclusion, it wasn’t strong enough for a conviction in that particular case. So on one hand given he was never convicted of anything, there’s no reason not to play his music (and it was always considered an open secret what he was, going back as far as the late 1980s), on the other hand im given cause to wonder that given its popularity whether his music would still be played even if he had been convicted. It’s not like Gary Glitter, who was always considered a bit of a cheesy joke in the music industry.