A reasonable point, but pretty rich coming from someone who spends so much time building and then destroying straw men to argue against things you know I never said.Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn
A reasonable point, but pretty rich coming from someone who spends so much time building and then destroying straw men to argue against things you know I never said.
Example?
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Couple of examples in the Newcastle match reaction thread:
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=3351Don't worry, we'll go on a run. It will be progress.
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...t=3351&page=10How many more seasons are you going to bang on about progress
When you know I haven't 'banged on' about progress at all. There are better examples but that's the one I could find quickly.
Don't be silly. Everyone here no doubt remembers you banging on about the FA Cup.
Your attempted diversion aside, what we were talking about is the invasion of privacy, these invasions having nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with money, the extremes these privacy abuses will be pushed to if the public does not remain vigilant and push back, and how abuses of privacy are often ushered in on a humanitarian agenda or as a counter to fear.
Seems we only had to wait 24 hours for a concrete example.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...motorways.htmlAll drivers who travel at more than 70 miles per hour on the motorway face being fined under radical new proposals being considered.
Speed cameras would be switched on permanently across stretches of the motorway network catching everyone who exceeded the limit.
Motorists would then be forced to pay a £100 fine as well as having points added to their licence, or could opt instead to attend a speed awareness course, costing £90.
But rather than being used to improve road safety, the controversial plan is intended to raise millions of pounds in revenue for the police.
The “zero-tolerance” approach to motorway speeding is the brainchild of Bedfordshire Police and would be rolled out across a busy stretch of the M1, used by tens of thousands of cars each day.
Olly Martins, the Police and Crime Commissioner for the region, said he hoped the scheme would be up and running by April next year, and would generate up to a million pounds for his cash strapped force.
But the proposals have sparked widespread anger amongst motoring groups, who fear it is inevitable other forces will follow suit.
Hugh Bladon, co-founder of the Association of British Drivers said the plan “beggared belief” and would lead to revolt on the roads.
He said: “I think this is a dangerous precedent. I am really appalled that a police force should be even considered such an idea. My fear is that if police forces see this working in one area they will quickly adopt a similar approach and soon the whole motorway network will be operating a zero tolerance policy”.
He added: “If the police want us on their side this is hardly the best way to go about it. This is utterly outrageous. Speed cameras are supposed to be there to make the roads safer, but as we now see the real reason is to make money.”
But Mr Martins remained unrepentant and said: “If motorists do not like it then they can always stick to the speed limit.”
He said he had been forced into suggesting the scheme because his force was at financial breaking point and fining speeding drivers could help Bedfordshire retain 25 officers it would otherwise be forced to lose.
He told The Telegraph: “If it is a question of reducing the force by 25 officers or introducing this scheme, then I am going to go for this every time.
“We have lobbied the Home Office for fair funding, but they have not listened so I am forced to come up with new ways of raising revenue. Strict enforcement of the speed limit could raise as much as £1 million, so it is something I have to take seriously.
“It will only affect motorists breaking the law, so people who do not speed have nothing to worry about.”
The Bedfordshire force has responsibility for policing the M1 motorway which runs through the county, including the busy stretch between junctions 10 and 13.
At the moment the cameras in that area are only used to enforce variable speed limits, such as when drivers are restricted to 50mph during periods of congestion.
But under the new plans the cameras would be switched on permanently meaning speeding motorists would be caught whatever the time of day or the driving conditions.
Under the current system, forces have the discretion to apply leeway around the speed limit, meaning drivers in a 70mph zone are able to travel up to 79mph before being at risk of a fine.
But the Daily Telegraph understands that under the Bedfordshire proposals, no such leniency would be offered, raising the prospect that anyone travelling at 71mph, whatever the time of day or night would be liable to receive a £100 fine.
While the revenue raised from speeding fines goes to the Treasury, police forces can make money by persuading drivers to sign up for speed awareness courses, which they run themselves.
The vast majority of drivers prefer this cheaper option as it means they do not incur points on their licence and therefore do not suffer higher insurance premiums.
The course in Bedfordshire costs £90 to complete and is open to all but the most serious offenders.
Motoring organisations have condemned the plans, claiming it went back on a government pledge that speed cameras would never be used to generate revenue.
Steve Gooding, director of the RAC Foundation, said: “We have total sympathy with cash-strapped constabularies, but no sympathy with forces explicitly setting out to raise money from cameras.
“We support the proportionate use of cameras for safety reasons but this step would fan the fury of millions of sceptical motorists who already suspect that some of them are only there to raise revenue.”
Claire Armstrong, co-founder of Safe Speed, said: “When the attitude of the police is to enforce on the basis of funding their force, then we have lost all sight of road safety.”
Nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with money - TICK
Extreme application - TICK
Ushered in on a humanitarian agenda or as a counter to fear - TICK
Nobody has been consulted. No need for national security blanket because this one is in your face. In a poll of 3,300 Internet respondents 90% are against this latest abuse - not that that matters or would even be considered. It does indeed seem that if you give these abusers an inch they'll take the mile, and all for cash. So much for the law and public safety.
So next time you are out and about, practise carefully. Keep an eye on that speedo and make sure you don't wander a single mph over the mandated limit. Even on an empty road at 3am, they'll be watching you watching yourself. Stick a black box in your car for "cheaper insurance" and your coverage really does become comprehensive. It's all good.
So maybe there will be a few more accidents when people slow right down to average out their speed, or when they take their eyes off the road to keep a steady eye on the speedometer. And maybe these measures are entirely contradictory to the stated aims of the law that allowed police to spy on motorists in the first place. But whatever, if you obey the law and keep a real close eye on that speedo, don't even let it stray by 1 mph - you have nothing to fear.
And I guess eventually everyone will get used to this rather obvious progression on a law that was never about safety. So:
Mind fucked population monitoring themselves 24/ 7 to ensure compliance with a raft of revenue specific laws that pretend to be about security, safety and humanitarianism - TICK.
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You are so wrong here its actually quite funny. First of all, you are now complaining about the police using measures to stop people breaking the law. The law states that on a motorway, the speed limit is 70mph and you go on about it being some big conspiracy. its not, its enforcing the law. If you don't want the cameras to flash you, its pretty simple, drive at the correct speed limit.
Secondly, if you go over 70mph by 1mph you won't be flashed. This is because there is a 10% margin of error with cameras, so to be done for speeding you need to be going at 77mph. So if you know you are driving at 70/71mph you have nothing to worry about. If you are driving around 80mph you do.
Thirdly, most won't have to keep a steady eye on the speedometer and not on the road. It really isn't difficult to glance down and see and look at the road again. A lot of modern cars have digital speedometers so it is even easier to glance down and see the exact speed you are going, and if you can't check speedometers while driving, then you probably shouldn't be in a car.
Having a go at police force for enforcing the law because you think it infringes your privacy and means your car will be monitored is stupid and wrong.
You probably need to read the last few posts to get the context Ollie. We're talking about a dufus Commissioner who wants to do all the things mentioned. Doubt he'll get his way this time but that's not the point. Point is, invasion of privacy is used for profit, not for safety or security.
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The new data is certain to add urgency to political negotiations in Paris later this month aimed at securing a new global climate treaty.
I explained to you what this is all about, I explained the technique used to manufacture the required data. But no, we've had a reset. Abandon ship, start all over again.
Why don't you look up the TPP, that's the other shoe. A license to allow the polluter to pollute with impunity regardless of national laws.
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Did you? Can you point back to that post?
http://www.goonersweb.co.uk/forum/sh...l=1#post480823
As if you don't know.
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