Random Arsenal Shit (When it's not worth starting a thread)

[Niall_Quinn]

Without Wenger, this con job wouldn't have been possible. I think more people are catching on. I think it was Merson who said after Sir Chips performance at the AGM, Wenger came out smelling of roses with some fans falling for the okie doke singing the managers praises again. Merse called it a game. It's manipulation. We've all been played.

Without a doubt. It couldn't be clearer. We've already burned through the great revolution that was to follow on the back of a decade of frugality. No sign of a title challenge, plenty of signs we are used to seeing. Like our best players scrambling for the exits. You have to wonder how many times some fans need to see the same old shit before they start asking serious questions of the honourable men who are running the place.

[Niall_Quinn]

And there you go. There's a huge difference between that sort of response and some of the bullshit you (we) dish out. Having a laugh on a web forum and taking a few slaps in the process is entertainment. Better than the fucking football anyway. If it all stayed on that level then nobody would have a problem. Except girls.

[Cripps]

I totally agree, the guy will probably sign another 2 year contract then, they're a crafty lot. The guy shows no signs of wanting to leave, last season was a disaster and he dangled the possibility of him being unsure about him staying when in reality he knew all along, that much was obvious, some people thought he could leave, I never thought he would, he loves the power too much, success isn't all that important to him (not on the pitch anyway).

Someone on Twitter said Wenger owned shares which explains why he's such a penny pincher and acts like a CEO and is so interested in the financials. Was interesting to hear.

[Letters]

Is someone on Twitter the new "bloke down the pub"?

https://www.quora.com/Is-Arsene-Weng...-in-Arsenal-FC

[Cripps]

Sure. But the conversation was about whether he even wants success.
Makes absolutely no sense for him not to. But he can't deliver it so yes, Wenger out.
Do you think the board will replace him with someone who can though? Because they genuinely don't care how we do, within reason.
It will at least be different and that can only be a good thing.

I kinda do. I think gazidis saw the monumental drop in utd when they appointed moyes and is aware of the kind of manager we need. Also his argument for keeping Wenger on last season i.e. having a manager that can handle the demands of a big club, tells me he knows we need one of the top European managers.

[Cripps]

Is someone on Twitter the new "bloke down the pub"?

https://www.quora.com/Is-Arsene-Weng...-in-Arsenal-FC

He did say in a different name or somehow linked to him. Seems far fetched but would make sense.

[Özim]

What possible reason would he not want to succeed? Just money? He'd get that anyway, he might even get more if we succeed.
Makes zero sense that a manager at this level wouldn't want to succeed.

He doesn't not want to succeed, he just doesn't see winning trophies as success, success for him is making the club money and maybe qualifying for the CL, he's pretty much stated as much indirectly, a manager that is really focussed on winning doesn't come out with stuff like we've qualified for the CL for 16 years running (or whatever it was) which is a pretty meaningless stat when you've never won it and really only come close once 12 years ago, they also don't talk about being in the top 4 as success, it's a good stepping stone but after 15+ years of it it means little if you ever win, they also don't sweep huge defeats unders the carpet by saying stuff like we won the first half.

I'm sorry but if you consider the amount of big defeats we've had in the last 10 years and how they have had no impact on anything we do it does tell it's own story, humiliations really don't seem to affect anyone at the club too much, it's almost accepted that they'll happen, there's not really any embarrassment about them anymore.

Almost everything he says points to a man who definite sucess differently to other managers at top club, we're probably the only big club happy with not winning the big trophies and let's face we are happy, new contracts and praise for players etc don't regularly go to managers/club who never really challenge for the big prizes at big clubs.

[Letters]

He doesn't not want to succeed, he just doesn't see winning trophies as success, success for him is making the club money and maybe qualifying for the CL, he's pretty much stated as much indirectly, a manager that is really focussed on winning doesn't come out with stuff like we've qualified for the CL for 16 years running (or whatever it was) which is a pretty meaningless stat when you've never won it and really only come close once 12 years ago, they also don't talk about being in the top 4 as success, it's a good stepping stone but after 15+ years of it it means little if you ever win, they also don't sweep huge defeats unders the carpet by saying stuff like we won the first half.

I'm sorry but if you consider the amount of big defeats we've had in the last 10 years and how they have had no impact on anything we do it does tell it's own story, humiliations really don't seem to affect anyone at the club too much, it's almost accepted that they'll happen, there's not really any embarrassment about them anymore.

Almost everything he says points to a man who definite sucess differently to other managers at top club, we're probably the only big club happy with not winning the big trophies and let's face we are happy, new contracts and praise for players etc don't regularly go to managers/club who never really challenge for the big prizes at big clubs.

The board definitely doesn't care about trophies, I think Wenger does...well, he definitely does but I agree he doesn't see it as the be all and end all. He is too interested in the club finances, that shouldn't be his job. But lots of things shouldn't be his job at Arsenal.

[Power n Glory]

He doesn't not want to succeed, he just doesn't see winning trophies as success, success for him is making the club money and maybe qualifying for the CL, he's pretty much stated as much indirectly, a manager that is really focussed on winning doesn't come out with stuff like we've qualified for the CL for 16 years running (or whatever it was) which is a pretty meaningless stat when you've never won it and really only come close once 12 years ago, they also don't talk about being in the top 4 as success, it's a good stepping stone but after 15+ years of it it means little if you ever win, they also don't sweep huge defeats unders the carpet by saying stuff like we won the first half.

I'm sorry but if you consider the amount of big defeats we've had in the last 10 years and how they have had no impact on anything we do it does tell it's own story, humiliations really don't seem to affect anyone at the club too much, it's almost accepted that they'll happen, there's not really any embarrassment about them anymore.

Almost everything he says points to a man who definite sucess differently to other managers at top club, we're probably the only big club happy with not winning the big trophies and let's face we are happy, new contracts and praise for players etc don't regularly go to managers/club who never really challenge for the big prizes at big clubs.

A manager that’s embarrassed by his CL record and frustrated with not winning the League title in over a decade doesn’t just sign Lacazette and Kolasnic after dropping out of the Top 4. Especially when Sanchez and Ozil are in the final year of their contract and you want to convince them to sign an extension.

Wenger has no professional pride or drive.

[Cripps]

He doesn't not want to succeed, he just doesn't see winning trophies as success, success for him is making the club money and maybe qualifying for the CL, he's pretty much stated as much indirectly, a manager that is really focussed on winning doesn't come out with stuff like we've qualified for the CL for 16 years running (or whatever it was) which is a pretty meaningless stat when you've never won it and really only come close once 12 years ago, they also don't talk about being in the top 4 as success, it's a good stepping stone but after 15+ years of it it means little if you ever win, they also don't sweep huge defeats unders the carpet by saying stuff like we won the first half.

I'm sorry but if you consider the amount of big defeats we've had in the last 10 years and how they have had no impact on anything we do it does tell it's own story, humiliations really don't seem to affect anyone at the club too much, it's almost accepted that they'll happen, there's not really any embarrassment about them anymore.

Almost everything he says points to a man who definite sucess differently to other managers at top club, we're probably the only big club happy with not winning the big trophies and let's face we are happy, new contracts and praise for players etc don't regularly go to managers/club who never really challenge for the big prizes at big clubs.

I still don't understand why he got rid of the invincibles in such a short space of time

Why did he go for project youth? The amount of £ we spent on overpaid youth players, we could have just carried on with the normal model of experience + youth. There was no need to go to an extreme.

That was one of his biggest downfalls imo. All this mentally weak crap is relatively new, we were renowned for being the mentally strongest and having a strong character. Wenger wiped that out in the space of 24 months and filled the changing room with young, brittle, mentally weak players.